I just got into fighting games with the recent Sajam Slam, but getting a Haute42 S16 was so much more comfortable for me than pad. Really glad I picked it up.
As a sucker who bought the swap kit, it's ridiculous. Also, my scpd switch wasn't even wired up (bought mine pre-2023 firmware update, now it's done via software)
Arcade peripheral enthusiasts cannot gauge the reasonable price justification of a hardware that's equivalent to a console. Man, I wish I could word it better, but that's just how it seems to be.
I was not expecting a tldr at the start, so many people need to do this but I'm going to watch all of it anyway because I love hearing phi talk about stuff.
I bought a Mixbox when SF6 came out and I loved it at first, but the weight of it is very heavy, used it too in Tekken 8 also. I swapped over to a Haute42 T13 and have been using that instead while the Mixbox collects dust. Downsides is just it's too pricey and it's just too heavy that it hurts if you have it on your lap the whole time. (Obviously will be different if it's on a desk) The WASD layout is great, but since I play on PC and have a brooks adapter for PS5, there is not much reason for me to use the Mixbox over the Haute42 T13.
Those little "extra button" ports inside the door are for the socd toggle switches. They aren't used anymore. SOCD is selected through software now. After updating the firmware, you hold certain buttons while plugging it in to select one of three modes.
I put a GP2040CE PCB in one of my old full size leaverless controllers due to the fact that they are able to remap buttons, and I use it to add an extra right and left on the right side right next to the standard 4 button cluster. It's made a lot of things much more intuitive by splitting the work between the two hands (while still playing normal neutral with the main left hand setup). It's been fun, and I recommend anyone with a spare/old controller give it a shot.
I built mine for $8.74 you could pretty much buy it on any online store app personally I got mine from a PH app. I also bought thick plywood and nails then downloaded a mix box template printed it then stick it to the plywood and all you do is make the holes, If you don't have the drill you can use a chisel like I did but it will take time. Then used my old mechanical keyboard remove the keys then use pliers to make the wires bite the ends of the keyboard pcb legs. As for the buttons its as simple as shoving the lock in the pcb, If you guys are having a hard time understanding me there's a lot of youtube videos on how to make one. TLDR made my own since I'm broke but its pretty good especially for me as a bryan player TJU gets a bit easy and DF 2,1 to side step jet upper as well, Ever since I made it I worked was able to work my way to Bushin. To those who reads this if only I can send a picture here I would to show it to you guys anyways thanks! (*I play on pc most of the time never tried it on a PS5 so i dont think it would work, However another solution would be getting a brook fighting board but I didn't try it yet)
@@m3lodeth you could just type sanwa buttons on any online store app you have just choose either 30mm sanwa buttons or 24mm sanwa buttons as for the keyboard keys I build another one for a friend and I just bought royal kludge keys. For the fighting board just type this for the search section of your preferred online store app (DIY Zero Delay Arcade USB Encoder PC to Joystick Arcade Rocker Circuit Board Control Module for MAME 2Pin with Cable Push Button) all you do is plug the wires and thats it
I played PC all my life and thought a MixBox layout would be more intuitive for me (and to a certain degree it was), but when I switched to HitBox layout and got used to it I felt a big improvement. If you're considering either MixBox or HitBox layout - it's worth it to learn and practice the HitBox layout.
seeing you taking a deeper dive into leverless on tekken is refreshing to see. I have tried all controller styles, but the wasd i always come back to. I assume its from all the years of mvc2 on emulators back in high school but im not sure. It just works for me better on a comfort level. I remember asking you for help on changing the blue led on the panthera. Well i turned that panthera into a mixbox and i posted it as my only short on my page. I know a lot of people prefer a lighter stick and thats where Haute42 steps in or now the makers of the Golden lever have their own slim leverless. But the guys from Onmi Arcade made the Onmi v2. Its a wasd drop in with a led for $50.and its hot swappable with other kailth v1 switches so i have the 50g whites in mine. Best add on to try the wasd without spending a lot. If you even wanna do cheaper I know people that are using the wasd drop in from Aliexpress for $15 with no issues either. Just have to make sure your stick has some sort of SOCD. Would you consider maybe a long term video series "getting to God or Supreme on Mixbox"?
Default SOCD settings scrub U+D to U on Mix Box, so it's unlikely you'd ever notice it if you intended to press up and pressed both buttons. "Hiding" the up button behind a taller down button might even save you from acidentally hitting SOCD Up when you intended to press down.
I find the key layout to be less intuitive and ergonomic than typical lever less. Having to hit up with your thumb means you can do really smooth full circle movements as every direction hit by a different digit.
This is the controller i was looking for. I also commented on your old video about this type of controller which is more like a keyboard. I hope they can also switch places of movement and action keys.
This is not, for that price, you can literally have a controller custom made, comission some artwork to put on it, print it and have change left. We're talking about a dozen key switches, a PCB, 4 keyboard keys and 8 buttons. Their pricing is absolutely ridiculous.
As a user of the universal model. It’s really beginner friendly. Aside from the door being really dumb to work with. It’s really easy to put new stuff most especially when it comes to customizing it. The 12 degree angle setup is more of a preference, but I use the standard. All in all it’s super easy to get comfortable with if you are willing to pay the price.
I have a custom mixbox (ordered from fightkeys) and it’s served me great, you can specify all the dimensions and layout. I have all my attacks in a line (rage art 1 2 3 4) with heat burst on spacebar, 1+2 on shift, and 3+4 on q. It’s a lot smaller and lighter than the one here, and I do not regret buying. The switches can be swapped out since they’re normal ones, thinking of getting metal ones at the moment. They’re insanely simple to crack open, but the price is fairly steep.
I got this just b4 t8 came out and havent looked back since. I use this for any fighting game. Tekken 8, sf6, brawlhalla, multiversus and it feels great
I am thinking of getting a hitbox for Tekken. Such as Maestro s3, which is a wireless hitbox. Really convinient. I just wonder if the keyboard style arrow buttons for movement might be better than classic arcade style buttons for Tekken. If there is any difference in comfort or usage / advantage. I have always used a pad, currently prefer DS4 to DS5
The problem I've noticed with my mixbox, when korean backdashing with the "socd" method that sometimes either the down or right/left key pops out. So I ditched it doing it that way. Also I feel like you have less control of your movement when doing it that way because you are committing to rolling your fingers. I've had more success with just doing it the standard regular way and no keys popping off.
I'm a pad player. I don't care about the device being shown. I'm just gonna keep this in the background playing because it *feels* like I'm learning something.
It made me try playing SF6 on a keyboard for a bit, so that was something I didn't expect to try. I've always wanted an arcade stick but never could justify buying one since there's no way for me to try one before buying.
I spent about 2-3 months on hitbox playing nearly everyday and I still had to think about pressing down to jump. Like I’d be playing fine and then heat of the moment there’d be a scramble and I’d always get my inputs backwards. I hated it and tried to give it away but nobody wanted it
i have both the mix box and hit box, and im using the haute pad as its much lighter i like them both dont get me wrong but the mix box is so heavy idk how to sit it in my lap and feel comfortable with it i have a small body so its harder for me to keep it steady imo but they are both good would you say the newer one is better then the og mix box also i have the pro v stick 4 and imm missing the cable to plug in the controller is there a way to replace it its a nice stick but yeah good job on the review TLDR: the mixbox is good im too small lapped for it lol and i wonder if there is a way to buy the detachable part for the pro v fighting stick?? thnks in advance
Been rocking a Mayflash F500 almost a decade now and slapped an Odin V2 in that puppy a couple years ago. Both items gonna put you at about 100 USD. As far the JFSR is concerned, I find it's a tad trickier thanks to needing three buttons working together instead of finding your DF directional input on a stick of d-pad. I dunno if I'd describe the move as easier since you can very easily turn your blue stuff into QCF 4 which isn't all that bad for a mis-input compared to accidentally throwing out a standard skyrocket and eating absolute shite with that -18 on block. Just my experience though.
I like the idea, but the up button I just can't in good concious say is worth more than a normal leverless setup where it's on the space position. The middle finger strain will always be my biggest issue with it but never really tried the thing outside of my own keyboard so I can't say with confidence that I wouldn't appreciate the product.
Best part of leverless for me and many others who have inflammation after toonmuch wear n tear on the controller/lever is that its much less strenuous on the tendons. It was really frustrating when i started missing inputs only after an hour of playing because my hands were just done with. On my latest leverless i can double my playtime and have no pain.
I think for 1 frame inputs we should have key switches with stronger springs to reduce the debounce. Similar to how a korean lever spring is much heavier than others and thus has a better snap back Red switches are too light.
I bought one a few years ago and they didn't even wire up the scpd toggle. I still have to do that myself. Also, not easy to swap switches. You need to buy a kit from them to do so Edit: SOCD toggle is now done through software. Still miffed they didn't wire my toggle switch tho
I went to Mix box because I used to play on keyboard, I tried a shitty 60 dollar one first. I went to my first tournament, and they said I couldn't use a keyboard. I lost 2 buttons but I'm glad I got it! P.S. rotation is a must!!!!!
I don't know... I don't understand why almost nobody is talking about the "FightBox Arcade" The full version (PS5, Brook Board, Sanwa buttons) is 230... Sure i did read Haute42 for "cheap" are very good But with this ones i don't know... the layout, the PS5 compatibility
It depends on what you consider smart. If you don’t really play tekken that much then I wouldn’t get it, however I’ve had this controller for around 3 years and I’ve loved it. I’ve spent probably 1,000 usd on controllers including haute 42 and arcade sticks Korean and Japanese and I can say for certain that this is probably the most comfortable controller for me
@@w_sogeking it is, but i'm sure you also haven't picked up a cheaper smaller lever-less setup because compared to those the mix box sounds unreasonable in concept. No real obstacles to get through with learning curves if you've already adjusted and they're portable with less strain to the middle finger. It does seem like an older product so the price for the size/heft makes sense. I don't see it being used in anything outside of 3d fighting games professionally either since jumping on the space bar position is way more efficient. Overall if the product works, there really isn't much to complain about and it really always comes down to preference 👍 Edit:oh so that's what a Haute 42 :/ then yeah, i'll just consider it as personal preference. And i'd imagine the size and heft makes it even more comfortable to play~
@@Iwatoda_Dorm yeah exactly there are cheaper lease options you could go for the haute 42 series is a good step and great controller however, for some it’s ergonomic design and closeness of buttons together is a problem essentially all preference but what I can say, having used a bunch of different controllers for tech is the most comfortable for me
I just started learning Tekken as my first fighting game, and I'm getting a mixbox style controller soon! It's like a Haute S13 but with low profile WASD keys (and still has a thumb jump button) Def glad to see that the keyboard style WASD works well in Tekken, thanks for the vid!
Thanks for the video coz its exactly what someone like me wants! I play in a very weird manner coz i play with my left hand on the keyboard and my right hand on my ps5 controller so ill probably save up and give this a try
This thing looks so cheaply made I assumed it would be 50$ max when you said aggressively priced. The movement keys look like they are nice to have for sure, but nah, sticking to Haute 42.
Mixbox themselves sell an inverted version of it with the movement keys on the right side, but again its priced pretty high and unfortunately most alternatives only come with movement keys on the left like the one from haute42
I have e hitbox but in a WASD layout, and it feels almost impossible to perform that BS sky rocket or a PEWGF as in an arcade stick or pad i feel is VERY doable.
very cool video as a keyboard player looking to at some point get a proper fight stick. But I think I'm just gonna bind a haute with a wsad layout cause this is too expensive.
@@CodeVenomSnakes well I do wanna compete seriously in this game as well. That's why I need to get a fight stick because I can't be taking a keyboard to offlines.
The mixbox was okay, I didn’t think the top plate was strong at all, plus the pcb is stuck on using a zip tie and two sided foam sticker. Build quality is not very good at all.
Mixbox is a novel idea But its price is ridiculous and selling proprietary hotswappable switches is just bullshit and there are cheaper better options out there. if youre not sure wheter a WASD leverless for you the PXN X8 is around 50 dollars and is a normal sized Arcade stick with WASD. Its cheap but will help you figure out if you like it or not. Also on etsy theres a product called the Odin V2 that lets you replace the stick on pretty much any cusomizable fight stick and turn it into WASD and their customer support is fantastic. Also there are tons of Haute options for the 50 dollars range.
Mixbox was my first controller i ever bought that wasnt a ps4 controller. At the time i loved it but man did they not innovate at all over the years. So many better options now. Also the WASD layout, while my personal favorite, aint so good outside of tekken.
@@CodeVenomSnakes personally prefer hitbox style controller for sf bc i use sliding input techniques. I started sf6 with the mixbox but switched to a snackbox bc my mixbox failed mechanically for the 2nd time. I had it for 6 years at that point so i guess it was time to switch anyway
Jump button is unintuitive in Tekken because you don't treat it as "Jump" Action in Tekken, you mostly use up button for diagonal motion for attack or side step/walk, and only rarely hold it for jump maybe for like delay hopkick (which was viable in T7 but so bad in T8). So placing "up button" on the bottom to emulate the "jump button" just feel unintuitive and useless, ppl who like it have messed up brain lol (maybe fine for SF game where it map to jump).
Sorry, I love your content but I can't co-sign that. This is the same price with the shipping cost of my custom leverless ... Who is mostly a piece of collection collecting dust. Please if you really want that kind of controller , buy a tournament grade arcade stick, buy a wasd drop in keys (it's plug and play), verify if your fighting stick support socd cleaning, if not buy a socd cleaner. It will cost half of that with the shipping. If you're want cheaper, buy a leverless based on GP 2040 board that support wasd layout. Unless its a local company, don't buy these overpriced peripherals.
do you have a po box cause I bought a leverless That I cant use due to fore arm pain and it cause 65 euro its not a bad controller but I feel like men like me that are big cant really use them because it causes pain in you for arm (its the size of a snackbox) but has the up button in a nice place (Hautepad plus g16) i'll send you the one I have just so you dont have to shill if you want
Can't justify the pricing of these when Haute42 products are almost as good and more affordable
They're better imo.
Haute42 is an absolute gigachad company
I just got into fighting games with the recent Sajam Slam, but getting a Haute42 S16 was so much more comfortable for me than pad. Really glad I picked it up.
Haute 42 is fine for normal people but if your a pro you might want a higher price leverless.
There's also junk food arcade that makes the smaller form factor leverless
Hotswappable switches that are proprietary is so silly, “you can replace the switches, but only if you buy them from us” lol
Actually taking extra steps to make their product less appealing, it's wild
As a sucker who bought the swap kit, it's ridiculous. Also, my scpd switch wasn't even wired up (bought mine pre-2023 firmware update, now it's done via software)
Yeah sorry i cant support a company that does that in a niche that LIVES on customisation
I really would like to support the hitbox company and try their leverless controllers but like the prices are so crazy
No competition
Haute42 👀👀👀
Haute42
@@Saber_fgc haute42 is not really in competition with hitbox. the products are very different
Nah fuck hitbox after that licensing bullshit they pulled.
Hearing "aggressively priced"
Me: "Nah dude. I'm good. Thanks."
When you said "aggressively priced" I thought that meant it was cheap. $340 is so expensive I nearly fell off my chair.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Arcade peripheral enthusiasts cannot gauge the reasonable price justification of a hardware that's equivalent to a console.
Man, I wish I could word it better, but that's just how it seems to be.
"Pay to win" is the world we live in
@@mistahkalean6777 I wouldn't call this pay to win. You can find a mixbox for 50 dollars.
@@mistahkalean6777 you wouldn't win anything meaningful with this or any other controller, lol
I was not expecting a tldr at the start, so many people need to do this but I'm going to watch all of it anyway because I love hearing phi talk about stuff.
I bought a Mixbox when SF6 came out and I loved it at first, but the weight of it is very heavy, used it too in Tekken 8 also.
I swapped over to a Haute42 T13 and have been using that instead while the Mixbox collects dust.
Downsides is just it's too pricey and it's just too heavy that it hurts if you have it on your lap the whole time. (Obviously will be different if it's on a desk)
The WASD layout is great, but since I play on PC and have a brooks adapter for PS5, there is not much reason for me to use the Mixbox over the Haute42 T13.
Those little "extra button" ports inside the door are for the socd toggle switches. They aren't used anymore. SOCD is selected through software now. After updating the firmware, you hold certain buttons while plugging it in to select one of three modes.
I put a GP2040CE PCB in one of my old full size leaverless controllers due to the fact that they are able to remap buttons, and I use it to add an extra right and left on the right side right next to the standard 4 button cluster. It's made a lot of things much more intuitive by splitting the work between the two hands (while still playing normal neutral with the main left hand setup). It's been fun, and I recommend anyone with a spare/old controller give it a shot.
honestly i always found using my thumb for Up to be way more intuitive because spacebar is jump in every game
I built mine for $8.74 you could pretty much buy it on any online store app personally I got mine from a PH app. I also bought thick plywood and nails then downloaded a mix box template printed it then stick it to the plywood and all you do is make the holes, If you don't have the drill you can use a chisel like I did but it will take time. Then used my old mechanical keyboard remove the keys then use pliers to make the wires bite the ends of the keyboard pcb legs. As for the buttons its as simple as shoving the lock in the pcb, If you guys are having a hard time understanding me there's a lot of youtube videos on how to make one. TLDR made my own since I'm broke but its pretty good especially for me as a bryan player TJU gets a bit easy and DF 2,1 to side step jet upper as well, Ever since I made it I worked was able to work my way to Bushin. To those who reads this if only I can send a picture here I would to show it to you guys anyways thanks! (*I play on pc most of the time never tried it on a PS5 so i dont think it would work, However another solution would be getting a brook fighting board but I didn't try it yet)
Yo can you link up what you bought. I'm planningto build mine as well.
salamat shopee
@@mr.notsonice HAHAHAHAHA
@@m3lodeth you could just type sanwa buttons on any online store app you have just choose either 30mm sanwa buttons or 24mm sanwa buttons as for the keyboard keys I build another one for a friend and I just bought royal kludge keys. For the fighting board just type this for the search section of your preferred online store app (DIY Zero Delay Arcade USB Encoder PC to Joystick Arcade Rocker Circuit Board Control Module for MAME 2Pin with Cable Push Button) all you do is plug the wires and thats it
We are so obsessed with hand ergonomics and at the same time sit in front of the screen like gollum
All the extra life from the hands will be lost from the eyes. 😭
Hi PhiDX, it's an HONOUR to have our Mixbox controller featured in your review. Thank you so much !
I use a mix box! (it's a mechanical keyboard)
But does it cost $340 😉
What’s your rank?
@@ajazzforrock $1000 (slightly higher)
I played PC all my life and thought a MixBox layout would be more intuitive for me (and to a certain degree it was), but when I switched to HitBox layout and got used to it I felt a big improvement. If you're considering either MixBox or HitBox layout - it's worth it to learn and practice the HitBox layout.
Quick summary in the beginning made me so happy. I watched the whole thing but more videos need that. Thx Phi!
seeing you taking a deeper dive into leverless on tekken is refreshing to see. I have tried all controller styles, but the wasd i always come back to. I assume its from all the years of mvc2 on emulators back in high school but im not sure. It just works for me better on a comfort level. I remember asking you for help on changing the blue led on the panthera. Well i turned that panthera into a mixbox and i posted it as my only short on my page. I know a lot of people prefer a lighter stick and thats where Haute42 steps in or now the makers of the Golden lever have their own slim leverless. But the guys from Onmi Arcade made the Onmi v2. Its a wasd drop in with a led for $50.and its hot swappable with other kailth v1 switches so i have the 50g whites in mine. Best add on to try the wasd without spending a lot. If you even wanna do cheaper I know people that are using the wasd drop in from Aliexpress for $15 with no issues either. Just have to make sure your stick has some sort of SOCD. Would you consider maybe a long term video series "getting to God or Supreme on Mixbox"?
Default SOCD settings scrub U+D to U on Mix Box, so it's unlikely you'd ever notice it if you intended to press up and pressed both buttons. "Hiding" the up button behind a taller down button might even save you from acidentally hitting SOCD Up when you intended to press down.
Imagine buying this just to stay stuck in Garyu.. best investment in my life 😂😂
As long as you have fun its worth it
Rank honestly doesn't matter at all. As long as you have fun playing, that's what matters.
@@MichaelMineCraftings i built a stick just to get stuck in mighty ruler, welcome to the club lmao
if it helps you climb from orange to red rank then at least it does something 😆
Be patient, study the mainly matchups and you will improve 😜
I find the key layout to be less intuitive and ergonomic than typical lever less.
Having to hit up with your thumb means you can do really smooth full circle movements as every direction hit by a different digit.
This is the controller i was looking for. I also commented on your old video about this type of controller which is more like a keyboard. I hope they can also switch places of movement and action keys.
This is not, for that price, you can literally have a controller custom made, comission some artwork to put on it, print it and have change left.
We're talking about a dozen key switches, a PCB, 4 keyboard keys and 8 buttons. Their pricing is absolutely ridiculous.
Instead of using your ring finger which has less dexterity, just slide your middle and index back and forth for more controlled inputs.
there was a drop in wasd keys that drops into any stick like a lever that was around 30-50 usd. thats a good option
Yes sir. The omni
the onmi v2. i got one in my panthera. love it. u can go cheaper and get a aliexpress wasd drop in for $11-15
brother called that qcf1 like an anime character calling out their finishing moves
You can also finger roll the direction keys for instant WR, super useful for blue spark iWR2 for Dragunov and iSW for King
As a user of the universal model. It’s really beginner friendly. Aside from the door being really dumb to work with. It’s really easy to put new stuff most especially when it comes to customizing it. The 12 degree angle setup is more of a preference, but I use the standard. All in all it’s super easy to get comfortable with if you are willing to pay the price.
I have a custom mixbox (ordered from fightkeys) and it’s served me great, you can specify all the dimensions and layout. I have all my attacks in a line (rage art 1 2 3 4) with heat burst on spacebar, 1+2 on shift, and 3+4 on q. It’s a lot smaller and lighter than the one here, and I do not regret buying. The switches can be swapped out since they’re normal ones, thinking of getting metal ones at the moment. They’re insanely simple to crack open, but the price is fairly steep.
I got this just b4 t8 came out and havent looked back since. I use this for any fighting game. Tekken 8, sf6, brawlhalla, multiversus and it feels great
I use an old madcatz fight stick pro with a drop-in mix box key pad. Best one is the SITONG, $15, turns any arcade stick into a mix box
That a good idea.
Ive had a mixbox for years now, cool to see you talk about it!
I am thinking of getting a hitbox for Tekken. Such as Maestro s3, which is a wireless hitbox. Really convinient.
I just wonder if the keyboard style arrow buttons for movement might be better than classic arcade style buttons for Tekken.
If there is any difference in comfort or usage / advantage.
I have always used a pad, currently prefer DS4 to DS5
The problem I've noticed with my mixbox, when korean backdashing with the "socd" method that sometimes either the down or right/left key pops out. So I ditched it doing it that way. Also I feel like you have less control of your movement when doing it that way because you are committing to rolling your fingers. I've had more success with just doing it the standard regular way and no keys popping off.
I have a mixbox and my only gripe was the pricing other then that I’m enjoying mines so far
I'm a pad player.
I don't care about the device being shown. I'm just gonna keep this in the background playing because it *feels* like I'm learning something.
It made me try playing SF6 on a keyboard for a bit, so that was something I didn't expect to try. I've always wanted an arcade stick but never could justify buying one since there's no way for me to try one before buying.
I spent about 2-3 months on hitbox playing nearly everyday and I still had to think about pressing down to jump. Like I’d be playing fine and then heat of the moment there’d be a scramble and I’d always get my inputs backwards. I hated it and tried to give it away but nobody wanted it
keyboard chads stay winning
i have both the mix box and hit box, and im using the haute pad as its much lighter i like them both dont get me wrong but the mix box is so heavy idk how to sit it in my lap and feel comfortable with it i have a small body so its harder for me to keep it steady imo but they are both good would you say the newer one is better then the og mix box also i have the pro v stick 4 and imm missing the cable to plug in the controller is there a way to replace it its a nice stick but yeah good job on the review TLDR: the mixbox is good im too small lapped for it lol and i wonder if there is a way to buy the detachable part for the pro v fighting stick?? thnks in advance
Been rocking a Mayflash F500 almost a decade now and slapped an Odin V2 in that puppy a couple years ago. Both items gonna put you at about 100 USD. As far the JFSR is concerned, I find it's a tad trickier thanks to needing three buttons working together instead of finding your DF directional input on a stick of d-pad. I dunno if I'd describe the move as easier since you can very easily turn your blue stuff into QCF 4 which isn't all that bad for a mis-input compared to accidentally throwing out a standard skyrocket and eating absolute shite with that -18 on block. Just my experience though.
I like the idea, but the up button I just can't in good concious say is worth more than a normal leverless setup where it's on the space position. The middle finger strain will always be my biggest issue with it but never really tried the thing outside of my own keyboard so I can't say with confidence that I wouldn't appreciate the product.
Best part of leverless for me and many others who have inflammation after toonmuch wear n tear on the controller/lever is that its much less strenuous on the tendons. It was really frustrating when i started missing inputs only after an hour of playing because my hands were just done with. On my latest leverless i can double my playtime and have no pain.
PhilDX - You forgot to mention, while you doing backdash cancel, characters like Paul, Bryan and Nina have an easier life with hit box
I guess this is good for players used to keyboard set ups that are not looking to use down-up charge characters like Guile and Bison.
I think for 1 frame inputs we should have key switches with stronger springs to reduce the debounce. Similar to how a korean lever spring is much heavier than others and thus has a better snap back
Red switches are too light.
I actually prefer mx silvers. Even lighter with a higher actuation point 🤷🏻♂️
I bought one a few years ago and they didn't even wire up the scpd toggle. I still have to do that myself. Also, not easy to swap switches. You need to buy a kit from them to do so
Edit: SOCD toggle is now done through software. Still miffed they didn't wire my toggle switch tho
I went to Mix box because I used to play on keyboard, I tried a shitty 60 dollar one first. I went to my first tournament, and they said I couldn't use a keyboard. I lost 2 buttons but I'm glad I got it! P.S. rotation is a must!!!!!
The main reason I don't like mix box is my fingers are too tight when performing.
Why is the up button more intuitive? In almost every single game I've played jump is space bar which is at the bottom of your keyboard?
I don't know...
I don't understand why almost nobody is talking about the "FightBox Arcade"
The full version (PS5, Brook Board, Sanwa buttons) is 230...
Sure i did read Haute42 for "cheap" are very good
But with this ones i don't know... the layout, the PS5 compatibility
Got mine around april, as phi said, very intuitive! since i've been using it, its been hard to go back to controller lol
Looks great im sure it feels great to use instead of a keyboard.
However 340$ for a controller is not a smart purchase.
It depends on what you consider smart. If you don’t really play tekken that much then I wouldn’t get it, however I’ve had this controller for around 3 years and I’ve loved it. I’ve spent probably 1,000 usd on controllers including haute 42 and arcade sticks Korean and Japanese and I can say for certain that this is probably the most comfortable controller for me
@@w_sogeking it is, but i'm sure you also haven't picked up a cheaper smaller lever-less setup because compared to those the mix box sounds unreasonable in concept. No real obstacles to get through with learning curves if you've already adjusted and they're portable with less strain to the middle finger. It does seem like an older product so the price for the size/heft makes sense. I don't see it being used in anything outside of 3d fighting games professionally either since jumping on the space bar position is way more efficient. Overall if the product works, there really isn't much to complain about and it really always comes down to preference 👍
Edit:oh so that's what a Haute 42 :/ then yeah, i'll just consider it as personal preference. And i'd imagine the size and heft makes it even more comfortable to play~
@@Iwatoda_Dorm yeah exactly there are cheaper lease options you could go for the haute 42 series is a good step and great controller however, for some it’s ergonomic design and closeness of buttons together is a problem essentially all preference but what I can say, having used a bunch of different controllers for tech is the most comfortable for me
those hitbox with up button down is purely for street fighter's charging moves.
Shaheen also has an down to up charge move
I own the reverse universal Mixbox, bought it for GGST no regrets
I just started learning Tekken as my first fighting game, and I'm getting a mixbox style controller soon! It's like a Haute S13 but with low profile WASD keys (and still has a thumb jump button)
Def glad to see that the keyboard style WASD works well in Tekken, thanks for the vid!
Thanks for the video coz its exactly what someone like me wants! I play in a very weird manner coz i play with my left hand on the keyboard and my right hand on my ps5 controller so ill probably save up and give this a try
This thing looks so cheaply made I assumed it would be 50$ max when you said aggressively priced. The movement keys look like they are nice to have for sure, but nah, sticking to Haute 42.
I switched from box to stick and having way more fun.
Does anyone know where I can get a mixbox like the one in the video but with the movement buttons on the right not left
Etsy has a ton of exactly those
Mixbox themselves sell an inverted version of it with the movement keys on the right side, but again its priced pretty high and unfortunately most alternatives only come with movement keys on the left like the one from haute42
@@Gin-sy8du Yes they do sell one with inverted layout.
I have both HitBox and FighBox and both are basically the same. They're much better than archade-sticks and controllers don't even come close.
I have e hitbox but in a WASD layout, and it feels almost impossible to perform that BS sky rocket or a PEWGF as in an arcade stick or pad i feel is VERY doable.
hopin you would make a video for lever option soon, love your vids phi
i actually lost the cable cover too for my older mixbox as well
This is basically how i have been playing, you can use keyboard and a controller at the same time. It's FREE
Trust me people just build your own hitbox or mixbox, the pricing is ridiculous for what they give you in a name brand product
I’ve been trying to find a mix box but right handed and I just can’t seem to find a good one
Am I crazy or is this a reupload? Maybe I saw this get streamed and that's what's tripping me up
Devilster mains Jin on a mixbox, doesn't he?
Yea
Reverse mixbox, movement keys on the right
very cool video as a keyboard player looking to at some point get a proper fight stick. But I think I'm just gonna bind a haute with a wsad layout cause this is too expensive.
Haute is fine for normal people playing fighting games.
@@CodeVenomSnakes well I do wanna compete seriously in this game as well. That's why I need to get a fight stick because I can't be taking a keyboard to offlines.
What was the shiny hitbox you showed?
Devilster used it!❤
Say hi Phi!
Hi :)
I want an arcade box, but with an oversized D-Pad of an X-Box controller.
Just take a glove and glide my finger(s) over it.
Phi i want the name of the controller you played SF6.
Got one love it wish I got the angled version
The mixbox was okay, I didn’t think the top plate was strong at all, plus the pcb is stuck on using a zip tie and two sided foam sticker. Build quality is not very good at all.
Pretty cool video. Way cheaper options available though
got a haute 42 T13 it got 2 jump button, it's awesome
Just remember you will have to disable one of them if you're going to a tournament according to the rules
Everyone uses Kazuya as the opponent in Practice mode :P
I was waiting my whole life 😂😂 for your review on mixbox & it’s finally here thanks pheid from Pakistan 🇵🇰❤️😊
I started using the hori Octa controller and feel like I don't even knot how to play Tekken anymore lol
im still stuck on my budget mixbox 😔 340 for the upgrade is insane
What mixbox do you have.
@@CodeVenomSnakes PXN X8, very cheap controller.
im on my old friend, the keyboard
No one is beating Haute42 for me until they start matching Haute's affordability or Haute starts dropping their quality
Can I customise keys and where they are located?
You should watch the video instead of just clicking on it and posting a comment right away.. 😂
Thank you
Review the Mech Box arcade stick when you get a chance its the james bond boat car airplane of arcade sticks
340$ is absolutely ridiculous and outright disrespectful 😂 long live haute42
Mixbox is a novel idea But its price is ridiculous and selling proprietary hotswappable switches is just bullshit and there are cheaper better options out there. if youre not sure wheter a WASD leverless for you the PXN X8 is around 50 dollars and is a normal sized Arcade stick with WASD. Its cheap but will help you figure out if you like it or not. Also on etsy theres a product called the Odin V2 that lets you replace the stick on pretty much any cusomizable fight stick and turn it into WASD and their customer support is fantastic. Also there are tons of Haute options for the 50 dollars range.
Thanks, Just order one of the Haute42.
Sorry, I can't support somebody's Lamborghini money .
can companies have usbc standardized already please
As someone who has to use a keyboard the joystick is much better for movement (imo)
That is truth and false basic on what character you play in fighting games.
Mixbox was my first controller i ever bought that wasnt a ps4 controller. At the time i loved it but man did they not innovate at all over the years. So many better options now. Also the WASD layout, while my personal favorite, aint so good outside of tekken.
Mixbox is great for Street Fighter.
@@CodeVenomSnakes personally prefer hitbox style controller for sf bc i use sliding input techniques. I started sf6 with the mixbox but switched to a snackbox bc my mixbox failed mechanically for the 2nd time. I had it for 6 years at that point so i guess it was time to switch anyway
Idk how someone could think hitbox jump button being on the bottom is unintuitive . space bar is jumping in so much pc games
Plenty of PC games use up for jump too...
@@CGoody564 i get that but im saying it’s common enough to not feel weird
And I hate when ppl use ellipses. Sassy ass mfs
Jump button is unintuitive in Tekken because you don't treat it as "Jump" Action in Tekken, you mostly use up button for diagonal motion for attack or side step/walk, and only rarely hold it for jump maybe for like delay hopkick (which was viable in T7 but so bad in T8). So placing "up button" on the bottom to emulate the "jump button" just feel unintuitive and useless, ppl who like it have messed up brain lol (maybe fine for SF game where it map to jump).
@@ZakMon1 I hate the improper punctuation in your original comment. We'll both live.
i will made my own controler
SteveDX
I’ll spend that much on an arcade stick before I spend it on the mixbox
But...i only use 2 hands for my techniques in this game.....😭
Sorry,
I love your content but I can't co-sign that.
This is the same price with the shipping cost of my custom leverless ... Who is mostly a piece of collection collecting dust.
Please if you really want that kind of controller , buy a tournament grade arcade stick, buy a wasd drop in keys (it's plug and play), verify if your fighting stick support socd cleaning, if not buy a socd cleaner.
It will cost half of that with the shipping.
If you're want cheaper, buy a leverless based on GP 2040 board that support wasd layout.
Unless its a local company, don't buy these overpriced peripherals.
do you have a po box cause I bought a leverless That I cant use due to fore arm pain and it cause 65 euro its not a bad controller but I feel like men like me that are big cant really use them because it causes pain in you for arm (its the size of a snackbox) but has the up button in a nice place (Hautepad plus g16) i'll send you the one I have just so you dont have to shill if you want
That is very expensive lol
I just got a keyboard and mouse converter thing for my Xbox I would have gotten the game on pc buuuuuuttttt