There are actually 748,440 teams. 56 characters each with 3 assists. 56*3=168, 168 possible first characters, 165 second characters, and 162 third characters (assuming you can’t pick the same character more than once). 168*165*162 and divide this product by 6 to account teams that are the same but in different order to get 748,440 If you can pick the same character more than once, then 168 choose 3 = 776,216
@@steve2275mf go watch his videos he literally NEVER does infinites and he makes people ragequit with low tiers who don’t even have infinites or good guard break setups. He even makes people ragequit with Dan teams and Servbot teams.
I went to college with Clockwork. Watching him do this live in the game room was dope. Also, he such a dope dude. He took time to show me the timing on Stryder Doom
@damsen978 I wouldn't necessarily say their bad. Remember this is JWong. Man literally put up a video bodying people with servbot and somehow made Dan aggressive character that can control the air. Facing 10 secs of that...mental stack gotta be immense.
@@bogartwilleyMagneto is HORRIBLE as a beginner character though. He’s great if you know what you’re doing but if you’re new Magneto is very very difficult to play. I’d recommend characters like Cable, Sentinel, Blackheart, and Cap Commando for beginners. The team I played at first was Blackheart Sentinel Commando and I stuck with that team to this day (I do switch Commando with Cable sometimes when I feel like it lmao)
thx for making this video. ive been wondering about all the popular team names that pros or commentators have been mentioning. great job noticing and explaining a video we all didn't know we needed.
I’m glad the game that opened me up to “the next level” is being kept alive. Keep doing your thing because it’s been essential to the legacy of the community.
I can’t help but to wonder to the magnificence we had for entertainment back in the 90s and early 2000s. Music was awesome and videogames were a blast. I’m so glad they’re still relevant and popular in modern culture.
Spiral player here for decades now. Full knives, throw at least 4 in a row, then raw tag into Cable. Cable poses and taunts while the remaining knives keep opponent in blockstun. If they superjumped, whoops! You raw tag safely anyways.
spiral player here too! always spiral, with cable(or other) with projectiles, and captain commando (or other) with anti-air. assist, high jump, spam knives, high jump, assist, knives. all the way lol
@@ReStroke I sometimes use Spiral/Cable/Cyc because my Sent is just so bad on point my Cyc is basically better. It’s the one thing holding me back from being genuinely competitive - being so bad at using Sent.
@@mistervader that's almost identical to what I do. I instead have all 6 knives, fire 2, tag, and mash LP immediately so Spiral empties her stock during her tag out animation. The first 2 keep them blocking or force a super jump, and the last 4 come out as cover. If the tag is blocked, they're negative (the tagged in character can move first), and if the tag hits, The rest of the knives miss, but you can combo off the tag. Usually this is my Cable blasting something.
Swapping Cable or Sentinel in with Spiral on point is a joke to do. 1] Have a full set of knives. Force them to block this. 2] fire 2 knives, and hit the lp and lk, or hp and hk to execute the tag -Spiral can still fire knives after you press the lp and lk, or hp and hk for the tag so long as her feet are still on the ground. -It doesn't matter if the first 2 knives are jumping or airbourne as long as you are grounded with 4 knives for the next part. 3] Immediately after hitting the buttons for the tag, mash lp to fire out the remainder of your knives. -There will be knives travelling inside and behind the character you tag in. -If they block, the character tagged in can move before the person blocking. -If they get hit, the knives will perfectly combo with the tag setting up combos off the tag. --This is especially dangerous if a loaded Cable is being tagged in. There's also a launch combo with Sentinel on point where you launch them, call Spiral-a, air combo and knock them down onto the Knifeball. You're free to re-launch them, or tag out to any other character in the team.
I literally just last week went through the JM archives trying to find a video that could explain MSP (mainly why Psylocke). I was shocked that one didn't exist. Now it does!
You forgot about why having Cable in behind a battery is a psedo safe DHC, Counter xx AHVB. It's one of the major reasons Cable can still hang with the other top tiers, he can shoot you from off screen in situations where you would normally be safe, especially against Sent. Where he can punish full screen spit.
@@Switcheroo4542 It does not, that's the standard "n choose k" formula. That is to say, order doesn't matter, and the same element can't be selected multiple times. Over 27k is still a lot obviously, but it's not *that* large. Granted, if you include assist variations, which in general you probably should, over 700k genuinely is a lot by most metrics.
...Every Marvel team? You sure about that? We'll be here all day!XD This is a pretty good video. I know some of them. Totally not from running into them online or anything. Though hearing these team names during the Twitch Rivals event, my brain went, "What is this language their speaking?"
No, this is pretty much all the teams you'll be looking at if you ever see really top level play of this game. This is the 3rd strike equivalent of seeing Yun/Chun/Ken during the last Evo. The weird mid team picks is like a character specialist sneaking into the top 6 like Hugo. If this ever gets picked for EVO 2025, this are the teams you're more likely to see. Enjoy, I guess.
@@AnhDonoinope he missed one major team, Team Mixup named after Mike Mixon which is Magneto, Storm, Tron Bonne. Jwong has a twitter post about it. Mixup has videos all over TH-cam from the OG days.
Despite it being a team which I would hate to fight, team Clockw0rk has always been a favorite of mine to watch. The precision needed to run this team due to the fragility makes every match super tense
For teams with cable, you don't necessarily need a safe dhc. Easily one of the best ways to punish or punish assists, is to alpha counter into cable (anti air assist) then immediately Air Hyper Viper Beam. Imo, if you're not using this, you're not using Cable right. For 2 bars any character on the team can negate pressure, kill assists, or switch Cable in.
@@MatthewMatticusFinchThe3rd I agree with that. However, players can play in a manner that accounts for this. Nevertheless, the Alpha Counter XX AHVB is so important and powerful that its omission is both inexcusable and baffling. I've reversed many a match outcome with this deadly tactic.
i think one of the cool things about the diff between mvc2 and umvc3 is the change from importance between point and anchor characters. i think it was a change for the better as most like to save their best characters for last
I remember Clockwork getting punked by Dark Prince at Regency Arcade over a money match Clockwork won. Dark Prince (Very ghetto, low class person) was taunting Clockwork to rematch him to win his money back. The staff had to break up the two when Dark Prince didn't leave Clockwork's personal space. The staff say Clockwork acts like little baby and is hard to deal with.
Knowing that I’ve beaten some of these teams like MSP and Clockwork before with my team (Ryu, Hayato, B. B. Hood) is a high I’m still chasing lol. Awesome video as always!!
One thing I will make aware about as a method for the Cable teams where he’s “awkward to tag in”: sometimes when they have enough meter, pro players will use the guard assist method to tag Cable in then have him do Air Hyper Viper Beam afterwards, which makes attacking that team a bit riskier whenever they have two meters
For getting cable in with team duc. Typically you alpha-counter him in, or if you throw as many swords so the first sword behind spiral travels with some from the front (the 4th sword if you have all 6) into raw tag, cable will land and they'll still have to block the sword, provided they didn't already superjump away from the first few swords.
I've been having fun using Juggernaut/Doom/Blackheart. Basically zone them using doom's rocks or bh's inferno while poking at them with juggernaut. Once they whiff or have an opening, punish them with headcrush. Once Juggernaut loses a good bit of hp, swap to doom for his comboing, and if they try to rush you down, use BH to help with AA and Juggernaut's Juggernaut Punch assist to push them back.
Great vid. But i feel sad cause jmcrofts never shouts out General Thrilla whenever he's talking about iron man. He's definitely the best iron man right now and much more accomplished in the newer age of mvc2 compared to other iron man goats like j360 and combofiend
Great video! I picked up a lot from it and have some new team ideas. It seems like a solid skeleton to work with us to open with a reliable character that doesn't need a lot of meter to build up, a second character who wants to cash in a ton of meter to do a ton of damage, and an assist character with a really useful, likely invincible reversal assist to help bring it all together, whether they rely on their assist and want to win before they're alone, or are self-sufficient and can make a comeback when they're the last man standing. The problem is, I really want to play Doom, and Doom is only on one of these teams, so we don't get much of a breakdown on where he goes and what he does besides "rocks". I would love some Doom teams or at least an idea of where he's best positioned so I can mix and match with some known, winning teams. I'm glad to hear that Colossus is a solid second, I would love to play him even if it's going to be a more casual team. I'd like to throw in Cyclops or Ruby Heart somewhere too. Basically I just have a bunch of idle thoughts about characters I'd like to play but no idea where to put them.
2:14 that’s cap. You can confirm off of damn near any stray hit with Magnus u just gotta be familiar with the situation and you can hit confirm without assist. Even an accidental crouching heavy on the floor can lead to an infinite
One way to get the Juggernaut glitch safely is to have 2 bars, power up, head crush, and DHC before or just after it reaches it's first hitting frame being careful not to hit the opponent with the Headcrush.
Team Rowtron can also be played with Sent starting point. Order would be: Sent / Cable / Mag Mag's projectile assist partners well with Sent, and gives you a different Sent playstyle; you will be going for more of a low zoning style instead of flying high and close with stomps. Use lasers and low flying frying pans.
Hello JMCrofts - I have enjoyed your content for many years - especially the MVC2 lore/history videos! I am curious though: What is the reasoning behind why some tournaments haven't already, just for fun, held side events where either: 1. All participants agree on a list of Teams beforehand to ban for the tournament (e.g. MSP, MSS, Santhrax, etc. - basically everyone just has to agree which Teams are SO successful that the vast majority of people agree to ban it for the tournament) OR 2. All participants agree on a list of say 3-5 God-tier individual characters to ban (e.g. Magneto, Storm, Sentinel, Cable etc.) for the tournament? Wouldn't this lead to some fun events where people could get more creative with their teams, which brings characters and combos that would not be able to survive against the top tier teams/characters? And these would be run parallel to the official tournaments (just as a fun side format). I would REALLY enjoy watching this for sure. Of course there would be endless debate as to who should be banned and why, and you'd probably never get unanimous lists - but screw the inevitable whingers - just get a 'Council of the Wise' to have a public list that gets tweaked every quarter - and get enough popular support and go from there.
look up ratio tournaments. there's a tier list with points assigned by tier, and you have to build a team with a budget of points. So you can do like, 1 top tier character and 2 bottom tier characters, or a balanced team of 3 mid tiers
Usually when the top tier teams are banned it turns into a stall-fest which top players don’t really enjoy. It’s also the top characters that offer (by far) the most skill expression, so it helps keep the game fresh even though you’ve been playing for decades at this point. That being said, low tier and ratio tournaments are held sometimes. They’re just not common for the reasons i stated above
Sent pretty much ruined mvc2. Imagine how many more teams would be played if he wasn’t in the game. He destroys most of the characters in the game because of his neutral game and powerful hits.
This game brings me back sooo many memories. My cousin would drag me to Chinatown in NYC to play at this arcade. I remember he was literally destroying everyone in this game and I wanted to leave. He was like “when I lose we will leave”.. He kept winning, I hate that it’s a core memory 😂😂.
Some other teams I love Beats runs Dhalsim, Sentinel and Cyclops (sometimes Cyclops changes for others) Dhalsim is so so good and cool in this game just also super underrated. Then there are also Blackheart teams which are just… I’m so glad no one plays those
True story: I was playing a forgotten character (I assume Blackheart), Cable, Cyclops. I was behind, someone had Spiderman with Cable-a as the assist. I blocked the Cable-a assist. Some people don't know that a guard push can be cancelled with the Alpha Counter making it even more dangerous. I alpha-countered in my Cable-b, cancelled the forced Scimitar whiff to an AHVB . Spiderman died and his Cable-a got hit. I linked another AHVB. Cable-a died since he'd already been damaged. I guard-broke the third character with AHVB. This resulted in either my imminent or inevitable win of the match.
I wish that Capcom would put Ruby Heart in another game. I really like her design. The flame pillar looks cool, she slaps people with an anchor, she impales people with the bow of her ship... Let's see her again!
I've been loving Team Anakaris Curse, even though I don't use the infinite. DHCs into Ruby's ghosts and Sonson's giant monkey mode are fun, and Anakaris himself has one of the most unique movesets Capcom ever created. So what if you're a screen away? You're still gonna get grabbed.
I like how you said psylocke isnt that good again in the first 4m when i just watched one of your videos of The Wazzler proving you wrong a while back xD
Tbf Justin not a good example 😭 by your logic Iron Fist in MVC3 is good because Justin beat top playrrs with him. You can give any character to Justin and hell make them lokk godlike atp
@illford all I can say is go watch the video where Justin shows you every reason why she is strong and proves Jim wrong. It's in his title (Jim's). He even acknowledged it. So all the Iron Fist talk is just talk for me cause that's Marvel 3 a separate convo entirely and mechanically. Justin and the Marvel 2 community who play her outside of just an assist know how strong Psylocke is. That isn't heresy, its fact with enough video evidence and data/frames to prove it.
Psylocke is extremely good as a solo character. Better than commando and on par with cyclops. Anyone who tells you that psylocke isn’t good just doesn’t play the game at a high level
Air type and ground/air/anti-air compatible combo Air type: (using the following characters to attack the enemies in the air) -Dr doom -jill -cammy -spider-man -m.bison -ruby heart -storm Ground/air/anti-air hyper combo characters, to continue/finishing off the later part of the combo: -amingo -Felicia -jin -Ken -psylocke -servbot
maybe you wanna make videos for every character? give us mahvel-noobs the basics like bnbs and general gameplay. I see thanos assist seems alright no idea about how would play him.
The starting order can vary it’s not really locked in stone. So for team row you can put sent 2nd for a safer DHC and also for the fact that cable is going to be taking the most dmg since he’s the anti air and you don’t want to bring him in 2nd with no health, team toi you can always start sent first not iron man solely and get a nice dhc from that as well. You also forgot to mention that team Matrix is named after Chris Matrix the commentator. You forgot Team Mixup - Magneto, Storm, Tron Bonne / mag, storm, cyclops named after Mike Mixon one of the best OG players RIP he passed away not long ago 🙏🏽
I can see that. He should have gotten a mention over someone like AnarkisCurse for sure. But I don’t even really consider any low tier teams to be mentioned except VDO because he’s a true OG of the game and was dominating top tiers with his low tier team. Majority of the main teams with names are because they’re top tier characters and people played top tier. Iron man and war machine and not S tier characters and were hardly played by majority of people.
Strider without Doom is just asking to get sniped into death by Psylocke or CapCom. The glassiest of cannons without the safety net of Doom's rocks to keep him safe in scrambles. Jin is just dime store Psylocke; good for assists but no hope of a comeback. At least, his blodia punch super has invuln frames if you need to smash reversal on some situations. Gambit. He's just there. Unless you wanna do his infinite, he's just there. Not even his assist is worth since there's a chance he cause your opponent to pop out of combos. But hey, you keep having fun with this team, you can make it work!
Honestly sounds like a pretty cool team. Strider is a lot of fun and I can see some synergy on the team with him and Gambit with Kinetic Card being a good way to tag people from full screen and let the point character do their thing, and both have a (mostly) safe super if you need to get them out . I'm not super knowledgeable about Jin but Blodia Punch seems like a good super to DHC into and get a kill. I know a lot of people run him as an anchor because of his install, so I'd be interested in what assist you run him with. It's neat to see someone actually playing that character as something other than a last resort.
@@mattzr1550Dime store, not diet. Jin can do Psylocke's frame one assist. His assist can also raise the opponent up in the air for an air conversion. Problem: His assist does not pick up OTG. So he's instantly useless for Magneto teams. Which is what Psy's there for. Also he stays out longer than Psylocke, leaving him vulnerable to getting caught in a happy birthday. Diet Psylocke would mean he does Psylocke's work but worse. And he dies the same way as Psylocke, but worse too. No Dime Store Psylocke means he does Psylocke's assist but worse. But he does not become a useless single character if you're left with him. He's got priorities in his normals, you can jump cancel some of his attacks, and he's got a great reversal super if you want to snipe assists. He's plenty capable of mounting a comeback, unlike Psylocke So yeah, Dime store, not diet.
Man, truly, what was Iron Man's anti-air assist move even meant to do? Repulsor Blast is maybe the weirdest move I've ever seen in a fighting game terms of just trying to understand the original intent of the move's design, especially in Marvel Super Heroes. It's slow as hell, hits super weird, doesn't combo most of the time, and leaves you open for a thousand years if it whiffs or the opponent drops out, which again, happens all the time.
So iron man assist is the hardest hitting assist in the game if you get hit by it. It’s hard to explain why it’s good and how it works without showing you in the lab.
Dope vid, but you forgot to include the other 166,305 teams in the game
There are actually 748,440 teams. 56 characters each with 3 assists. 56*3=168, 168 possible first characters, 165 second characters, and 162 third characters (assuming you can’t pick the same character more than once). 168*165*162 and divide this product by 6 to account teams that are the same but in different order to get 748,440
If you can pick the same character more than once, then 168 choose 3 = 776,216
@@dmagick914 mathematical
@@Diaphone I put this into ChatGPT too hahaha correct
You forgot the other God Tier Team.
Servbot - Balance
Tron - Projectile
Dan - Anti-Air
@@dmagick914CRAZY
MSP, MSS, don’t matter wazzler in 5
Wazzler wazzling refunds with servbot, roll and dan
Tell em again
without guard break and infinite combos just how good is he and all others players but me
@@steve2275mf go watch his videos he literally NEVER does infinites and he makes people ragequit with low tiers who don’t even have infinites or good guard break setups. He even makes people ragequit with Dan teams and Servbot teams.
That's the benefit of learning from Eddie Lee.
I went to college with Clockwork. Watching him do this live in the game room was dope. Also, he such a dope dude. He took time to show me the timing on Stryder Doom
He was the one that made a video uploading site before youtube existed too
Very good idea for a vid!!!!!
When you see Magneto/Storm/Sentinel my dumbass knows this match is over.
@damsen978 no shit.
MSS or MSP would apply.
If you have Commando/Cyclops it's not too bad of a time 🤷♀️
dumbass don’t even try lmao
@damsen978 I wouldn't necessarily say their bad. Remember this is JWong. Man literally put up a video bodying people with servbot and somehow made Dan aggressive character that can control the air. Facing 10 secs of that...mental stack gotta be immense.
i'm a new mvc2 player, this helped a lot thank you
Watch JMCrofts video about Magneto... You'll understand why EVERYONE plays Magneto.
@@bogartwilley will do!
@@bogartwilleyMagneto is HORRIBLE as a beginner character though. He’s great if you know what you’re doing but if you’re new Magneto is very very difficult to play. I’d recommend characters like Cable, Sentinel, Blackheart, and Cap Commando for beginners. The team I played at first was Blackheart Sentinel Commando and I stuck with that team to this day (I do switch Commando with Cable sometimes when I feel like it lmao)
@@ThePersonWhoAsked69420 good to know
@@bogartwilley 👍
thx for making this video. ive been wondering about all the popular team names that pros or commentators have been mentioning. great job noticing and explaining a video we all didn't know we needed.
I’m glad the game that opened me up to “the next level” is being kept alive. Keep doing your thing because it’s been essential to the legacy of the community.
by the time this video was finished, the wazzler created some brand new combo to destroy people online with
Scrub
Mike z - Jugg, Tron, Doom
Clockwork - Strider, Doom, Sent
Zaza - 2 Wolvie, Sentinel
These 4 are probably my rotation in arcades back in the day.
Is that the same Mike Z that made skullgirls
Now you need to cover my team in elementary school: Strider, Omega Red, Blackheart.
SORB is alright.
@@mrdude88 I have no idea. I want to play it again when I cop the collection, but a one year old and grad school has limited me to watching videos.
Dope team. I like badass characters
That's honestly not even that bad bc blackheart can build good meter for striders orbs
Team Edge.
I can’t help but to wonder to the magnificence we had for entertainment back in the 90s and early 2000s. Music was awesome and videogames were a blast. I’m so glad they’re still relevant and popular in modern culture.
Spiral player here for decades now. Full knives, throw at least 4 in a row, then raw tag into Cable. Cable poses and taunts while the remaining knives keep opponent in blockstun. If they superjumped, whoops! You raw tag safely anyways.
spiral player here too! always spiral, with cable(or other) with projectiles, and captain commando (or other) with anti-air. assist, high jump, spam knives, high jump, assist, knives. all the way lol
I’m gonna steal this cable taunt tech and use it on my buddies 😂
I do spiral sentinel and sonson aa assist a lot.
@@ReStroke I sometimes use Spiral/Cable/Cyc because my Sent is just so bad on point my Cyc is basically better. It’s the one thing holding me back from being genuinely competitive - being so bad at using Sent.
@@mistervader that's almost identical to what I do. I instead have all 6 knives, fire 2, tag, and mash LP immediately so Spiral empties her stock during her tag out animation. The first 2 keep them blocking or force a super jump, and the last 4 come out as cover. If the tag is blocked, they're negative (the tagged in character can move first), and if the tag hits, The rest of the knives miss, but you can combo off the tag. Usually this is my Cable blasting something.
Swapping Cable or Sentinel in with Spiral on point is a joke to do.
1] Have a full set of knives. Force them to block this.
2] fire 2 knives, and hit the lp and lk, or hp and hk to execute the tag
-Spiral can still fire knives after you press the lp and lk, or hp and hk for the tag so long as her feet are still on the ground.
-It doesn't matter if the first 2 knives are jumping or airbourne as long as you are grounded with 4 knives for the next part.
3] Immediately after hitting the buttons for the tag, mash lp to fire out the remainder of your knives.
-There will be knives travelling inside and behind the character you tag in.
-If they block, the character tagged in can move before the person blocking.
-If they get hit, the knives will perfectly combo with the tag setting up combos off the tag.
--This is especially dangerous if a loaded Cable is being tagged in.
There's also a launch combo with Sentinel on point where you launch them, call Spiral-a, air combo and knock them down onto the Knifeball. You're free to re-launch them, or tag out to any other character in the team.
JW recently streamed a MvC2 championship sponsored by him where ALL Magnetos were destroyed by Strider. I recommend it
Just because someone picks mag doesn’t mean you’ll win. He’s a hard character to be good with because he gets hurt easily.
I will never forget years ago you called Tron Bonne, "Tron Bone"
this guy does that a lot with character names doesn't he? kinda lame
Um...that isn't how you pronounce her name? 😂
He still says Anakaris' name weird to me
Play the MegaMan Legends games@@krazievnkid
@@CMCAdvanced Anna Car us 😂
I love some good old MVC lore
Thanks for the love. Be on the lookout for me to take as many souls as I can next week in Cali for Arcadeshock's tournament 💪🏾🙏🏾🔥
Naw im gonna win ez
Best of luck to you @@TheNaturalGamer1
Here’s the team that I’m currently working with:
Wolverine Adamantium (A/ B Assist)
Sakura (B/Y Assist)
Cable (A/B Assist
I literally just last week went through the JM archives trying to find a video that could explain MSP (mainly why Psylocke). I was shocked that one didn't exist. Now it does!
You forgot about why having Cable in behind a battery is a psedo safe DHC, Counter xx AHVB.
It's one of the major reasons Cable can still hang with the other top tiers, he can shoot you from off screen in situations where you would normally be safe, especially against Sent. Where he can punish full screen spit.
Tron assist my beloved
0:18 actually there are only 27,720 in Marvel versus Capcom 2 (or 776,216 with every different assist.)
does this include the same characters in different orders
@@Switcheroo4542 It does not, that's the standard "n choose k" formula. That is to say, order doesn't matter, and the same element can't be selected multiple times.
Over 27k is still a lot obviously, but it's not *that* large. Granted, if you include assist variations, which in general you probably should, over 700k genuinely is a lot by most metrics.
...Every Marvel team? You sure about that? We'll be here all day!XD
This is a pretty good video. I know some of them. Totally not from running into them online or anything. Though hearing these team names during the Twitch Rivals event, my brain went, "What is this language their speaking?"
No, this is pretty much all the teams you'll be looking at if you ever see really top level play of this game.
This is the 3rd strike equivalent of seeing Yun/Chun/Ken during the last Evo.
The weird mid team picks is like a character specialist sneaking into the top 6 like Hugo.
If this ever gets picked for EVO 2025, this are the teams you're more likely to see.
Enjoy, I guess.
He literally said every single tournament team that is relevant
@@AnhDonoinope he missed one major team, Team Mixup named after Mike Mixon which is Magneto, Storm, Tron Bonne. Jwong has a twitter post about it. Mixup has videos all over TH-cam from the OG days.
Despite it being a team which I would hate to fight, team Clockw0rk has always been a favorite of mine to watch. The precision needed to run this team due to the fragility makes every match super tense
For teams with cable, you don't necessarily need a safe dhc. Easily one of the best ways to punish or punish assists, is to alpha counter into cable (anti air assist) then immediately Air Hyper Viper Beam.
Imo, if you're not using this, you're not using Cable right. For 2 bars any character on the team can negate pressure, kill assists, or switch Cable in.
@@MatthewMatticusFinchThe3rd I agree with that. However, players can play in a manner that accounts for this. Nevertheless, the Alpha Counter XX AHVB is so important and powerful that its omission is both inexcusable and baffling.
I've reversed many a match outcome with this deadly tactic.
i think one of the cool things about the diff between mvc2 and umvc3 is the change from importance between point and anchor characters. i think it was a change for the better as most like to save their best characters for last
I remember Clockwork getting punked by Dark Prince at Regency Arcade over a money match Clockwork won. Dark Prince (Very ghetto, low class person) was taunting Clockwork to rematch him to win his money back. The staff had to break up the two when Dark Prince didn't leave Clockwork's personal space. The staff say Clockwork acts like little baby and is hard to deal with.
If we're talking about historically relevant teams, team Watts is hugely important and still very very strong.
We got 700000+ team combinations so we got content lined up for a while
@@illfordnice over used joke champ
Kinda bummed we didn't see team big body in the low tier section. It's always hilarious seeing people instantly die to it.
Even until the final moments I was hoping he'd throw it in there as an honourable mention 😅
Knowing that I’ve beaten some of these teams like MSP and Clockwork before with my team (Ryu, Hayato, B. B. Hood) is a high I’m still chasing lol. Awesome video as always!!
One thing I will make aware about as a method for the Cable teams where he’s “awkward to tag in”: sometimes when they have enough meter, pro players will use the guard assist method to tag Cable in then have him do Air Hyper Viper Beam afterwards, which makes attacking that team a bit riskier whenever they have two meters
every mvc2 team??? oh man im so excited to get in on the ground floor of this 500 part series, youre doing the lords work JM
I think team roundhouse (Storm Sent Ironman, or start sent) and Team thrillah (Ironman Warmachine Cable) would have been good inclusions as well
For getting cable in with team duc. Typically you alpha-counter him in, or if you throw as many swords so the first sword behind spiral travels with some from the front (the 4th sword if you have all 6) into raw tag, cable will land and they'll still have to block the sword, provided they didn't already superjump away from the first few swords.
Awesome video, as a newcomer to the game I was hoping to find something exactly like this. Super appreciated!
Just a moment ago I finished Marvel super heroes for the first time, dang zoning is op there.
I guess the marvel fever never dies
It'd be cool if people liked contributing to wikis enough for an MvC2 one to have information on ALL the teams
Check out the mvc2 supercombo teams page, they have listings for the best top tier, low tier, ratio, etc. teams
I've been having fun using Juggernaut/Doom/Blackheart. Basically zone them using doom's rocks or bh's inferno while poking at them with juggernaut. Once they whiff or have an opening, punish them with headcrush. Once Juggernaut loses a good bit of hp, swap to doom for his comboing, and if they try to rush you down, use BH to help with AA and Juggernaut's Juggernaut Punch assist to push them back.
I always knew what teams were strong but didn't know why they were strong in that particular combination. This is so cool.
Great vid. But i feel sad cause jmcrofts never shouts out General Thrilla whenever he's talking about iron man. He's definitely the best iron man right now and much more accomplished in the newer age of mvc2 compared to other iron man goats like j360 and combofiend
Great video! I picked up a lot from it and have some new team ideas. It seems like a solid skeleton to work with us to open with a reliable character that doesn't need a lot of meter to build up, a second character who wants to cash in a ton of meter to do a ton of damage, and an assist character with a really useful, likely invincible reversal assist to help bring it all together, whether they rely on their assist and want to win before they're alone, or are self-sufficient and can make a comeback when they're the last man standing.
The problem is, I really want to play Doom, and Doom is only on one of these teams, so we don't get much of a breakdown on where he goes and what he does besides "rocks". I would love some Doom teams or at least an idea of where he's best positioned so I can mix and match with some known, winning teams.
I'm glad to hear that Colossus is a solid second, I would love to play him even if it's going to be a more casual team. I'd like to throw in Cyclops or Ruby Heart somewhere too. Basically I just have a bunch of idle thoughts about characters I'd like to play but no idea where to put them.
Was glad to see BB Hood, Juggernaut team. I’m new to Marvel 2 and I’m playing Mega Man, Juggernaut, BB Hood.
2:14 that’s cap. You can confirm off of damn near any stray hit with Magnus u just gotta be familiar with the situation and you can hit confirm without assist. Even an accidental crouching heavy on the floor can lead to an infinite
One way to get the Juggernaut glitch safely is to have 2 bars, power up, head crush, and DHC before or just after it reaches it's first hitting frame being careful not to hit the opponent with the Headcrush.
This is an EXCELLENT concept for a video.
Team Rowtron can also be played with Sent starting point. Order would be:
Sent / Cable / Mag
Mag's projectile assist partners well with Sent, and gives you a different Sent playstyle; you will be going for more of a low zoning style instead of flying high and close with stomps. Use lasers and low flying frying pans.
Hello JMCrofts - I have enjoyed your content for many years - especially the MVC2 lore/history videos!
I am curious though: What is the reasoning behind why some tournaments haven't already, just for fun, held side events where either:
1. All participants agree on a list of Teams beforehand to ban for the tournament (e.g. MSP, MSS, Santhrax, etc. - basically everyone just has to agree which Teams are SO successful that the vast majority of people agree to ban it for the tournament)
OR
2. All participants agree on a list of say 3-5 God-tier individual characters to ban (e.g. Magneto, Storm, Sentinel, Cable etc.) for the tournament?
Wouldn't this lead to some fun events where people could get more creative with their teams, which brings characters and combos that would not be able to survive against the top tier teams/characters?
And these would be run parallel to the official tournaments (just as a fun side format). I would REALLY enjoy watching this for sure.
Of course there would be endless debate as to who should be banned and why, and you'd probably never get unanimous lists - but screw the inevitable whingers - just get a 'Council of the Wise' to have a public list that gets tweaked every quarter - and get enough popular support and go from there.
look up ratio tournaments. there's a tier list with points assigned by tier, and you have to build a team with a budget of points. So you can do like, 1 top tier character and 2 bottom tier characters, or a balanced team of 3 mid tiers
Usually when the top tier teams are banned it turns into a stall-fest which top players don’t really enjoy. It’s also the top characters that offer (by far) the most skill expression, so it helps keep the game fresh even though you’ve been playing for decades at this point.
That being said, low tier and ratio tournaments are held sometimes. They’re just not common for the reasons i stated above
I've been saying this: sentinel is a participation trophy. If you can't beat em, join em was a game character
Sent pretty much ruined mvc2. Imagine how many more teams would be played if he wasn’t in the game. He destroys most of the characters in the game because of his neutral game and powerful hits.
the Kevin Durant of MAHVEL teams
Would definitely like to see the less common teams! Great vid, Jm
I really like these niche videos. Keep going! ❤
This game brings me back sooo many memories. My cousin would drag me to Chinatown in NYC to play at this arcade.
I remember he was literally destroying everyone in this game and I wanted to leave. He was like “when I lose we will leave”.. He kept winning, I hate that it’s a core memory 😂😂.
This game would be more interesting if they made all those Capcom guest characters better.
Some other teams I love
Beats runs Dhalsim, Sentinel and Cyclops (sometimes Cyclops changes for others) Dhalsim is so so good and cool in this game just also super underrated. Then there are also Blackheart teams which are just… I’m so glad no one plays those
True story: I was playing a forgotten character (I assume Blackheart), Cable, Cyclops. I was behind, someone had Spiderman with Cable-a as the assist. I blocked the Cable-a assist. Some people don't know that a guard push can be cancelled with the Alpha Counter making it even more dangerous.
I alpha-countered in my Cable-b, cancelled the forced Scimitar whiff to an AHVB . Spiderman died and his Cable-a got hit. I linked another AHVB. Cable-a died since he'd already been damaged. I guard-broke the third character with AHVB.
This resulted in either my imminent or inevitable win of the match.
I would like more videos like this Mr jmc 😊😊😊
I wish that Capcom would put Ruby Heart in another game. I really like her design. The flame pillar looks cool, she slaps people with an anchor, she impales people with the bow of her ship... Let's see her again!
A followup would be really cool. I'd love to see more about mvc2
Nice video!
I used to play Storm/Sentinel/Cable back in the day.
Team Blue Dweeb has always been my favourite in the Marvel Vs Capcom games, Megaman, Captain America and Cyclops
I've been loving Team Anakaris Curse, even though I don't use the infinite. DHCs into Ruby's ghosts and Sonson's giant monkey mode are fun, and Anakaris himself has one of the most unique movesets Capcom ever created. So what if you're a screen away? You're still gonna get grabbed.
JM Croft with another BANGER
14:45 Yipes calls him "Captain Suckas$"
@25:06 Shoutout to VDO one of the Marvel G.O.A.Ts
Tossing Madroo's team (Dhalsim, Anakaris, Sentiel) as a suggestion for the follow up video for being a weird team that is actually pretty solid.
Who else here is new to mvc2 trying to make new teams?
Oh yeah, I forgot about that lesser used character: Sawnsawn. Which of course is Sonson's evil twin.
This is that sweet jmcocaine, more mvc2 teams my dude
Underrated detail about this video are those Iron man infinite reps.
Raw tag is not necessary for the juggernaut glitch! You can safely counter another character in. Great vid tho!
I like how you said psylocke isnt that good again in the first 4m when i just watched one of your videos of The Wazzler proving you wrong a while back xD
Tbf Justin not a good example 😭 by your logic Iron Fist in MVC3 is good because Justin beat top playrrs with him. You can give any character to Justin and hell make them lokk godlike atp
@illford all I can say is go watch the video where Justin shows you every reason why she is strong and proves Jim wrong. It's in his title (Jim's). He even acknowledged it. So all the Iron Fist talk is just talk for me cause that's Marvel 3 a separate convo entirely and mechanically. Justin and the Marvel 2 community who play her outside of just an assist know how strong Psylocke is. That isn't heresy, its fact with enough video evidence and data/frames to prove it.
Psylocke is extremely good as a solo character. Better than commando and on par with cyclops. Anyone who tells you that psylocke isn’t good just doesn’t play the game at a high level
I play Tron/Serv/Felicia, in that order.
Tron’s meter gain is INSANE. And once you have three bars a jab is a TOD.
Air type and ground/air/anti-air compatible combo
Air type: (using the following characters to attack the enemies in the air)
-Dr doom
-jill
-cammy
-spider-man
-m.bison
-ruby heart
-storm
Ground/air/anti-air hyper combo characters, to continue/finishing off the later part of the combo:
-amingo
-Felicia
-jin
-Ken
-psylocke
-servbot
Big fan of Team VDO
maybe you wanna make videos for every character? give us mahvel-noobs the basics like bnbs and general gameplay. I see thanos assist seems alright no idea about how would play him.
Spiral got my eyes spiraling from all that jiggling
I hope someone can find synergy between Storm, Omega Red, and Sentinel and call it team SOS, 😂
I commonly have to explain to MVC2 players, that MSP can destroy a trap card, but that does not negate the effects of it.
You sir are talking in riddles
And then there’s me, who’s been sticking with Spidey, Sakura, and Dan since the arcade days.
Probably wasted a lot of quarters in your days lol
Love the thumbnail ❤. You are so right...lol😂
Blackheart teams def deserved a mention!
Great video! Now do one for Marvel 3!
The starting order can vary it’s not really locked in stone. So for team row you can put sent 2nd for a safer DHC and also for the fact that cable is going to be taking the most dmg since he’s the anti air and you don’t want to bring him in 2nd with no health, team toi you can always start sent first not iron man solely and get a nice dhc from that as well. You also forgot to mention that team Matrix is named after Chris Matrix the commentator.
You forgot Team Mixup - Magneto, Storm, Tron Bonne / mag, storm, cyclops named after Mike Mixon one of the best OG players RIP he passed away not long ago 🙏🏽
Hey I recommend you do this video came out great!
Air/anti-air/ground can be good normal tier combo team also.
For me, I like to play flexible teams that have long range attacks.
i figured thrillahs team would get a mention since he’s won some bigger tournaments the last few years
I can see that. He should have gotten a mention over someone like AnarkisCurse for sure. But I don’t even really consider any low tier teams to be mentioned except VDO because he’s a true OG of the game and was dominating top tiers with his low tier team.
Majority of the main teams with names are because they’re top tier characters and people played top tier. Iron man and war machine and not S tier characters and were hardly played by majority of people.
man I cant wait to play some Marvel vs. Captain Commando (and maybe strider sometimes)
Team Refund #1
Modern/one Button Zangief, Colossus, Tron Bonne.
Team Refund #2
Blackheart, Dr Doom, Strider.
i was shocked to see team troll (dan, roll, servbot) go unmentioned!!
Would love to see if there’s any info on some of the lesser known high tiers like Dhalsim or Blackheart
It's really funny that it's mostly Marvel characters used
I wonder about my favorite team: Strider, Jin and Gambit...
They're probably mid but I love this trio so much 😭
Strider without Doom is just asking to get sniped into death by Psylocke or CapCom. The glassiest of cannons without the safety net of Doom's rocks to keep him safe in scrambles.
Jin is just dime store Psylocke; good for assists but no hope of a comeback. At least, his blodia punch super has invuln frames if you need to smash reversal on some situations.
Gambit. He's just there. Unless you wanna do his infinite, he's just there. Not even his assist is worth since there's a chance he cause your opponent to pop out of combos.
But hey, you keep having fun with this team, you can make it work!
jin is not diet psylocke wtf u saying
Honestly sounds like a pretty cool team. Strider is a lot of fun and I can see some synergy on the team with him and Gambit with Kinetic Card being a good way to tag people from full screen and let the point character do their thing, and both have a (mostly) safe super if you need to get them out . I'm not super knowledgeable about Jin but Blodia Punch seems like a good super to DHC into and get a kill. I know a lot of people run him as an anchor because of his install, so I'd be interested in what assist you run him with. It's neat to see someone actually playing that character as something other than a last resort.
@@mattzr1550Dime store, not diet. Jin can do Psylocke's frame one assist. His assist can also raise the opponent up in the air for an air conversion.
Problem: His assist does not pick up OTG. So he's instantly useless for Magneto teams. Which is what Psy's there for. Also he stays out longer than Psylocke, leaving him vulnerable to getting caught in a happy birthday.
Diet Psylocke would mean he does Psylocke's work but worse. And he dies the same way as Psylocke, but worse too.
No Dime Store Psylocke means he does Psylocke's assist but worse. But he does not become a useless single character if you're left with him. He's got priorities in his normals, you can jump cancel some of his attacks, and he's got a great reversal super if you want to snipe assists.
He's plenty capable of mounting a comeback, unlike Psylocke
So yeah, Dime store, not diet.
Same. I play Strider, Ken, Jin
You forgot that Team Duc can lock down with a true block string and the pseudo infinite and Spiral A1+A2.
i didn't even know anakaris was in this game
Great vid bruh. This is so necessary 😫
Thought you were gonna mention Team Justin, for historical reasons.
Team Justin is who? Justin Wong or ?
My team is Ken,Shuma,Commando
Awesome video!!
21:20 wouldnt spiral also work with doom rock assist? annoy the fk outtta ppl lol(gonna try on fightcade soon)
Man, truly, what was Iron Man's anti-air assist move even meant to do?
Repulsor Blast is maybe the weirdest move I've ever seen in a fighting game terms of just trying to understand the original intent of the move's design, especially in Marvel Super Heroes. It's slow as hell, hits super weird, doesn't combo most of the time, and leaves you open for a thousand years if it whiffs or the opponent drops out, which again, happens all the time.
So iron man assist is the hardest hitting assist in the game if you get hit by it. It’s hard to explain why it’s good and how it works without showing you in the lab.