Who Was Jack Skellington BEFORE He Died?: Disney Theory
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In the Nightmare Before Christmas, all of the monsters come together to celebrate Halloween. Leading these monsters of course is the scariest among them: the Pumpkin King Jack Skellington. Jack is an animated skeleton who has certain abilities which he explains is dead. The most horrifying creature in Halloween Town at some point was alive. At some point Jack Skellington was a human being living outside of Halloween Town, and today we are going to try to figure who he was.
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Anyone else having an audio problem where it cuts out from 4:39-4:49??
Yesss
Ya
Yeah
Yes.
Yea
Did anyone else’s sound turn off at 4:40
Yes
But what did he say
yes
@@mimismith2978 he says "with a wave of my hand and a well placed moan I have swept the very bravest off their feet"
Yes
At 4:39 the clip mutes until 4:49 for me? Is that happening to anyone else too?
Actully, me too
Same.
Every one
Also me
Happen to me
"And since I am dead, I can take off my head, to recite Shakespirian quotation, no animal or man, can SCREAM as i can, with the fury of my re-ci-tations."💀💀💀💀
"But who here would ever understand that the pumpkin king, with his skeleton grin would tire of his crown, if they ever understood....he'd give it all up, if he only could?"
@@wonka84 even he doesn't want to be who he is. I can relate.
@@amberlaughlin3518 right there with ya.
lol! Yeah! I love that verse of 'Jack's Lament'! ^_^
@@frankgrimes7388 auto correct is a problem
I think Jack was actually burned at the stake. I mean he's a skeleton(when someone was burned to death all that was left was bones), he has no idea that a modern Christmas is(this happened before the 1800's) and when he enters he's literally burning on fire. Soo ... Idk just an idea
But wouldn't his bones the charred?
@@justanamezain3602 actually the chard bones would have end up flakeing of revealing the second layer plus it's a fictional movie
@@z_lovevlogs9736 thank you.
Good theory but we all turn to bones after the flesh decays for a while. Just saying
@@natashahartlen5411 movie magic
To many theories in this comment section I feel stupid for knowing nothing
Your comment made me smile... ☺️
Same here brother
Jack skeleton is grinch skeleton
underrated comment ngl
@Sheila Gravely i don't think u should say that because lots of ppl r thankful for him making this or else we wouldn't know -_-
Doesn't jack claim to be well known through England and france?
Edit: I don't know what to do with this information I just thought to point it out
Also he's known to one guy in Kentucky.
Could he be Jack The Ripper?
The heshens were allies of England and enemy's of France who were allies the colony's. Thus be was notorious in England and France.
And unlucky to a guy in Kentucky who saw his head get blown off. But the problem is a cannon ball to the head would obliterate the skull.
He's English look at the suit like an anorexic teddy boy
The headless horseman seemed too violent to be Jack. Yes the characters Halloweentown seemed to glory in gore and death but mainly because it's a good way to scare people. Scaring people is what they're all about but not necessarily actually harming them. Remember in "This is Halloween" it says "tender lumpings everywhere, life's no fun without a good scare. THAT'S OUR JOB BUT WE'RE NOT MEAN, IN OUR TOWN OF HALLOWEEN" And while many of the toys jack gave out did chase and terrorize the kids, they didn't actually hurt anyone even if they had the chance (remember the giant snake swallowing the presents and the Christmas tree, but never tried to attack the child.) So, no I don't think Jack was ever a soldier. Jack scared people in a fun way. Which is what Halloween is about. He just didn't understand that Christmas is about a different kind of fun. I don't think Jack was ever actually a living human. If anything he could be called the spirit of Halloween. References to him being dead are not meant to be taken at face value. It's just part of him being a scary figure. The only one in Halloweentown who could be considered dangerous or actually "mean" was Oogie Boogie, and Jack obviously hated him and didn't trust him right from the start.
THAT'S why I support the theory that Jack is really Ichabod Crane...
@@edgardeitz2784 same
thats why he said jack may have been drafted and didnt want to fight .
are you assuming that every soldier loves killing ?
@saur2244 I specifically said I did not think Jack could have been the headless horseman. The horseman was a spectre devoted to revenge, to taking the heads of others as recompense for the loss of his own head. Obviously a very violent goal I did not say anything about all soldiers loving killing. The fact is there is nothing to suggest Jack or any of the residents of Halloweentown were human. As I stated I believe Jack is the spirit of Halloween. Basically he came into being as the holiday of Halloween developed, it's the customs and traditions of Halloween that make Jack what he is. "The Pumpkin King of Halloween" just as it's the customs and traditions of Christmas that make Santa Claus what he is, or the Easter Bunny what he is. They exist solely because those holidays exist. Trying to give them human origins just seems pointless.
And didn't trust him right from the start
He was a pirate. He appears in the shipwreck in James And The Giant Peach
UglyStewie you are right I saw him
Yep 👌
Fuq
You are right I saw him too.
he was a pirate... named Jack...
we all thinking the same thing?
Theory:Jack as a human used to be ....
Jack from the titanic
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Then by that point he should’ve known what Christmas was since the Titanic sank in 1912 taking over a thousand passengers and crew with her.
Don't let go Jack
I think Jack Skellington was actually Dr. Jack Griffin, The Invisible Man! Dr. Jack Griffin conducted experiments, and so does Jack Skellington.
Okay, the sound cuts out, there’s no need for a million comments 😂❤️
I Like memes ikr
THANK YOU. This is the first comment NOT giving a time stamp
ikr
I thought it was only me
Yet yours is one of those comments!
He COULD be from the legend of Sleepy Hollow, but not the headless horseman! I think he is...
Ichabod Crane...look he's tall lanky, the REAL life Ichabod was an actual solider in a war and it looks like Jack is dressed in soldier attire in one scene. The theory of him being burned could be true, if you watch or have read the legend of sleepy hollow, a flaming pumpkin head is thrown at Ichabod, where it hits him...and then he is never seen or heard of again. Maybe that's what the whole first scene of him being a pumpkin/scarecrow being lit on fire could be in correlation too, which is him being burned by the pumpkin head. Maybe a pumpkin in flames could have killed him, that’s where his "Pumpkin King" name came from. There is also a scene where Jack sings “Well since I am dead I can take off my head, to recite Shakespearean quotations” him being able to dislodge his head, could be a nod to the headless horseman possibly cutting it off after killing him?
It makes sense kind of lol idk, just my theory.
Very amazed.
Hmm.
yea that is aalso reasonable
That is a rly good theory thanks
I paused the video to really read your comment. I am intrigued. I think you're on to something. Ooh! Fun! Happy Halloween! 🎃
Better theory than the one in the video
Last time I was this early jack was alive
crissel mendoza 😂
Well played :D
crissel mendoza lol
Clever, very clever indeed.
If Jack was the headless horseman and the horseman got hit with a cannonball, wouldn't Jack's skull be caved in? Just a theory...
No a cannonball would swiftly sweep a head from a neck like croquet.
To answer your question, yes. I have read about the damage done by cannonball and i can tell you that there wouldn't be much of anything left of anyone that got hit with one of them. Also if a cannonball hit someone straight in the face their head would be completely destroyed.
If jack was the headless horsemen and the horsemen get hit with a conball,
Wouldn't jack skull be carved in? Just a thorey.
A movie theory
Oh yeah..
He could be Stingy Jack. He was a trickster who tricked the devil, and was eternally in limbo. He used a hollowed out turnip to light his way.
I agree
I also agree because Jack used a pumpkin instead of his head occasionally which is a jack-o-lantern AND Stingy Jack has many names one of which was “Jack of the Lantern”
And then he found Halloween Town and it became his home. Then he eventually lost his memory of finding it which is why he doesn’t recognize the doors later.
Yes this IS what he is
yeah, he doesn't have a soul, so he have to stay in the halloween town, and Sally too, bc she wasn't even human, but a creation, she was made, so she doesn't have a soul, even if she was not a full doll, but a human bring back to life, she would still not be a ful human, but a cursed one, like the jack, who tricked the devil. So her master tricked the death.
So in conclusion Jack is Jack o'lantern and Sally is a Frankenstein creation, so both aren't human anymore, and don't have soul. So both of them must stay in the halloween town, bc they aren't living, so they can't stay in the human world, and go to the hell either bc they don't have a soul.
So in the song when sally and jack sing, they are word 'we're meant to be''
because they cannot, live and die. So there made for each other. In the halloween town, they will stay with each other forever.
Sorry for my bad english, and this is my theory.
And like the headless horse man, and jack, the are the same, o'lantern seek for his soul, and horseman for his head, why is that? because people belive that soul was in the head, not in the heart.
I think Jack knew what Christmas was when he was human because he mentioned it feeling like a memory long since past or something, I just don’t think he remembers much of his life beforehand
I just thought that Victor from Frankenweenie was Victor from the Corpse Bride and died to become jack. This also fits with Tim's quote, "Every story has a beginning, middle, and end. Not necessarily in that order." - Tim Burton
Unicorn Sparkle Pants Victor from Frankenweenie got his name from Victor Frankenstein. Plus how are you raised in modern America but an adult in old England?
Unicorn Sparkle Pants Frankenweenie is during the 1950’s the corpse bride was late 1800’s
alot of American family's have a foreign heritage.
But Tims already they had no connection
This was proven to be true, he's one of the worst theorists out there
What if Jack Skellington was Ichabod Crane?
He was a teacher (smart),has a fondness for the theatre at least singing , know how to be charming and their complexion are similar.
Also the way Ichabod die...Burned by an enchanted JACK o lantern...Well...burned corpse only bones remains and because of the way he die Pumking King
Very interesting.
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Unfortunately it makes the skeleton black as coal if it does go to the bone
Really interesting idea!
I was thinking that too
Thank you¡¡¡
But, hey, that's just a theory
A game theory.
wintern101 a film theory
A film theory and.... cut
A GAMMMMMEEE THEORY
a FILM THEORY... aand cut.
i think this kind of fits his layment.
"Although carving a Jack-’o-lantern is a seasonal tradition today, this was not always the case. The practice of carving a Jack-o’-lantern originates in the Irish myth of stingy Jack. Stingy Jack later became Jack of the Lantern.
According to his myth, Jack tricked the Devil. Then he made the Devil promise that he would not come for his soul when he died. When Jack did die, as the legend goes, God wouldn’t allow Jack into heaven. And neither, after being tricked, would the Devil permit him into hell. Instead, Jack’s soul was doomed to wander the earth with only a burning coal in his lantern to light the way.
This legend gave birth to the modern-day Jack-o’-lantern. First people carved beets and gourds in the form of Jack’s lantern, as these were more widely available in the British Isles. Then as people moved to North America where pumpkins are more readily available, pumpkins became the most popular carving choice."
Thank you! I was going to comment similar.
lol! I think that Jack Skellington was just named after 'Stingy Jack'! ^_^ That's just a Celtic folklore tale! :D
This is exactly what they said on the grim adventures of billy and Mandy.
@@charity9660 it's because they took vague or rarely heard of folk lore for their plots. Jack-o' lantern being one of them.
@@megalisa830bright6 do you have any idea how much research into folklore went into the nightmare before christmas? each character was based off some sort of folklore, death, or historically significant creature from folklore. heck, jack's full name is jack skellington, the pumpkin king. which was one of jack-o' lantern's titles within legends. plus, the song about jack's past is almost entirely the full description about jack-o' lantern's folklore.
Jack doesn’t know what snow is... hence the song “What’s This?!”
Plus, if you watch James & the Giant Peach - remember the sunken pirate ship that shows Jack as a dead pirate captain?
Yet suddenly a little bit later in the song he says they're throwing snowballs instead of throwing heads. It would make more sense for him to know what snow is if they go around different places and scare people, some of those are most likely covered in snow in October.
I forgot to mention he also eats the snow at the beginning. Is that something people do when they first see it?, assume it can be eaten? (may have been a random director choice since it's not part of the song)Though at the very end the other residents of Halloween town are confused and think it's a Christmas thing so I don't know there's a lot of mixed signals here.
+Ashfer2 you can put maple syrup on snow and eat it like candy. They used to do it back in the day.
Hmm, that sounds interesting, never tried it with flavorings. Yeah, I've eaten snow before too lol. I meant that if he didn't know what it was why would he randomly assume he should eat it?
He... Is... *CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW*
There is actually a theory that Tim Burton meant for Frankenweenie, The Corpse Bride, and The Nightmare Before Christmas to be one story. One reason is because he said “Every story has a beginning, middle and an end. Not necessarily in that order.” Frankenweenie came out in 2012, The Corpse Bride came out in 2005, and The Nightmare Before Christmas came out in 1993. Another reason to believe this is that in Frankenweenie, a boy’s beloved dog dies and he tries to bring him back to life. In The Corpse Bride, Victor receives a gift from Emily (the Corpse Bride) which is the dead version of Victor’s beloved dog, which died when he was a kid. In The Nightmare Before Christmas Jack has his dog which has the same facial structure as the dead version of Victor’s dog in The Corpse Bride. But think what you want, it is just what I believe.
Wow nice theory 👏🏽
That's what I always thought
Frankenweenie came out before Nightmare Before Christmas. The original was released in 1984.
Then if jack skellington is victor.... Could he be still searching for the bride?
Alyssa Brianna Rosales wow. Deep. But it makes sense
If Jack had been the Headless Horseman, who was a Hessian soldier, he would have a German accent, as Hessians were german soldiers and mercenaries.
If Jack was once alive, he was most likely “Stingy Jack”, who was a practical joker of Celtic folklore, and who carried a carved out turnip or gourd with a candle inside to light his path and find his way around the countryside at night to scare and play mean jokes on people.
@Orange Crewmate Orange is sus.
And being around different people and culters for centuries wouldn't get rid of it?
Edit:just to clarify I mean tge accent
lol! I think that Jack Skellington was just named after 'Stingy Jack'! ^_^ That's just a Celtic folklore tale! :D
What about Springheel Jack? Very popular Victorian era cryptid.
I know this is an old post, but I like this theory the most! When I was watching, I even thought to myself: "A Hessian soldier celebrating an Irish holiday?" I think your theory fits the best of the ones I have read.
I never considered that Jack was alive before becoming a part of Halloween town. I thought he just came into existance there. The reason I always thought that is because the characters of Halloween town have no concept of love or happiness. They only know how to scare people which makes it seem like they were all born there and that's all they know.
The reason why the ending is so sweet is because despite them all living in a loveless world, Jack and Sally finally realise what they were missing and that is love.
Yeah! Exactly! I like to think that Halloween Town is where the creatures all originated from, and Halloween is all that they know about! ^_^ I think that's why Jack never knew about the other holidays, because they would all stay in their own separate Towns! :D
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Tim Burton himself said "same story just not in order". He was referring to Frankenweenie, Corpse Bride, and Nightmare Before Christmas. That was his way of saying both Victor's are the same and in death he became Jack.
Yeah but Victor has an accent, Jack doesn't.
And the way it works is different
And also Burton said Jack was just some guy buried in a pumpkin patch
he acully he was bernt alive
Julitza Matos I think this whole video is dumb and very loosely connected anyways
at 4:38 the sound cuts out....odes anyone else have that problem or is it just me?
No
happens to me every time i watch it
It happens to everyone at all times.
Same
Phantom Meyers I noticed it too. The audio cuts off at 4:40 then comes back at 4:50
I've always had a fan theory that Jack Skellington was a Vaudevillian/stage actor before his death:
He has an incredible stage presence
He can perform flawlessly
Skilled musician and singer
Jack skeleton was a Vadevillian/ stage actor before his death: he he can perform flawlessly skilled musicians and singer
Oh hell nah he was a pirate lmaoo
“To recreate Shakespearean quotations!”
My theory :
In the song jack sings in the beginning where he says “ to a man in Kentucky I’m mr unlucky “ which probably meant he was a man who lived in Kentucky and he had a run in with bad luck . And since he never heard of Christmas , like in this video , he was to have lived in the late 1800s , and his attire , which is a suit with what looks like a bow tie , he was maybe going to a formal event , and since he is a skeleton he may have drove there since cars were introduced in the later 1800s and somehow got into a crash , the car may have over heated or caused both to happen , which he probably set him on fire and burned him alive , and he is freakishly tall , so he may have been in a car that he could be able to fit in , which would need a certain amount of fuel , leading to him being soaked and then caught aflame , leading to his skin being burned away , eventually leading to his death, probably due to his wounds getting infected .
I’m probably totally wrong , that’s just my theory .
4:39 anyone else get a sound glitch too?
Yahh😕😕😕😕
What the heck
Me too
Yep
A Kiwi Nerd same
Hey, jack is nowhere near as scary as the tearaway face clown
BLASPHEMY
THIS IS MADNESS
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Alternate theory: Jack is Ichabod Crane himself. They have similar body structures and Ichabod could have started scaring out of revenge because of what Abraham Van Brunt did. Also, he lived in the 1700s and was said by some women of the town upon his disappearance to have been "spirited away by supernatural means."
that's brilliant, a really clever twist there. A man who in mortal life was ruled by fears since Ichabod was very superstitious becoming the King of fright after the most terrifying experience of his life. pure genius
Plus this would have to dovetail into Johnny Depp's portrayal of Ichabod Crane in Sleepy Hollow. Sounds good to me!
i do agree that jack was Ichabod Crane , when Ichabod Crane died he changed his name to jack
Headless horseman wasn't looking for a head but a head, but an heir.
@@jacquelinelovell2073 whoa really
I think this connection to the Headless Horseman is interesting considering Tim Burton also directed Sleep Hollow which is shaped around this story too and also further connecting Tim's films together.
These theories are a little too far fetched. I like a good theory when there are convincing connections, but I just don't see this.
Who is Jack? He's the Pumpkin King.....
"'Twas a long time ago, longer now than it seems
In a place that perhaps you've seen in your dreams.
For the story that you are about to be told
Began with the holiday worlds of old.
Now, you've probably wondered where holidays come from.
If you haven't, I'd say it's time you begun.
For holidays are the result of much fuss and hard work
For the worlds that create them for us.
Well, you see now, quite simply that's all that they do--
Making one unique holiday, especially for you."
Asking who Jack is would be like wondering whose skin was used to make Sally, because that's what she is, a human skin, sewn together and stuffed with autumn leaves.
And a mother.
"With four or five skeleton children at hand,
Playing strange little tunes,
In their xylophone band"
Jack has always been the Pumpkin King, the ruler of Halloween. But once, just for a night, he got to be Sandy Klaws.
vault9 nice 👍🏼
I agree...
Awesome but I do t get the part about the kids
@@trinitymoon8488 in an unused epilogue ( I think thats what it was) for the movie it was stated that Santa returned to halloween town, and saw that Jack and Sally had kids
You know, I can get past the fact they are practically the Undead who live in their own realm and can travel between different worlds of holidays and ours, but I can't get over the fact a Rag Doll and a Skeleton had babies...
The Nightmare Before Christmas has been one of my favorite movie since it came out. I never would have contemplated Jack's backstory. I like that you did and explored it into details. Neat video. Thanks for the entertainment
Hello
@@bernardwalker3060 hiya
@@roseal-sawmahi9358 hello
What part of the world are you from
The US
Jack was the grinch. The dog, the fondness for Christmas, it all adds up
Oh my god he killed every single one of them
@@greenhowie lmfaoooo
Maybe Jack didn't know about Christmas because they lose all their memories when they die. That would explain why Jack feels lost or doesn't know his true feelings. It is possible that they (the folk of Halloween Town) "raised" him to be who he was.
Xsilly I think the same thing.
He's not necessarily unsure because of memories xD After all, he never regained anything but perspective and was content again at the end.
Because undead skeleton monsters hell-bent on scaring the living learn Shakespearean quotations...
I've thought about this as well.
Most notable in the "What Does It Mean?" song, where Jack specifically says, "like a memory long since past." Could he be alluding to the fact that even he has no memory of his life before he died?
Xsilly It IS a possibility!
Isaac: Jack skellington is the scariest creature alive!
Slenderman: Hold my child
King ghidorah: nah
Siren head "hold my radio signal"
Jeff Bezos : "I own everything you love and can take it away on a whim"
slenderman isn’t scary though. he’s just a faceless, slender man with black tentacle-… wait 😳
For real
Hmm.. the scariest monster was human..
good night *is*
good night ikr
good night well games and movies and books already explain why sooooo yeah
good night they still are...
Catalina :D *was*
Very interesting theory!! I can’t say that he was ever the Headless horseman though bc it’s obvious the horseman is more of the murdering sort and Jack just likes to strike fear. Maybe he murdered people when he was alive but it doesn’t seem to be his key way of striking fear like the horseman. Hmmmmm….
Fun fact: every character isn’t actually animated..
the creators of “The Nightmare Before Christmas” actually made clay models of each character,But they didn’t just got to stop there. They had to made hundred of different face expressions so it could look like they’re talking but they also had to move the characters. It took about an entire WEEK to just make a minute of the film!
Wow!
Yeah, it's called a stop motion film. Most people know that.
Sooo smn like Coraline...
claymation (stop-motion) is a form of animation.
Noooo
This conclusion is clever but illogical because in the movie it is said that Jack Skellington was burned alive
WHEN!!!
@@lingmaymarcano539 whatch some videos on that
Not to mention he also stated, "To Have Died in Kentucky, I am Mister Unlucky." Suggesting he died in Kentucky, which did not exist until after the Revolutionary War.
That scary
@Confusing Zark Same thing. A guy killed him while they were both in Kentucky.
Jack Skellington was burned alive
skeleton*
“ Skellington “ is correct.
I know right?!
Yes
@@BruhSW sir its skellington like she said dont be a smart kid and correct people if you dont know what your talkong about!
Jack was burned to death that is why he is a skeleton,Sally got her limbs cut off that is why she is stitched together,The Boogie Man was skinned that why he where’s a bag type thing,and finally Jack’s dog drowned that why he floats.
I think that zero was electrified because if his bright nose
Yeah Zero was electrocuted
And a theory, I think the mail man broke his neck?
Barrel drowned in a bathtub as you can see he had that bathtub, and it also explains why his skin is a pale, greenish blue
Shock and Lock both froze alive, or at least one of them
He might have been Jack the Ripper since they say in the song: Jack might catch you in the back.
CrotakuReviews this is what I believe also
Then he'd know of Christmas
But Miranda JTR was only known through England. France did not have a Jack the Ripper
Also newer evidence seems to state Jack the ripper might actually be a mary the ripper
OH
Tananda Lynch source?
Wait isn’t Jack against murder in the movie Oggie Boggie is the only murderer and Jack seems against it.
maybe jack did it then found out the aftermath sucks and that's why he's against it
maybe he was against it after he found out
It could have been remorse for the life take by him
JEDI TOAD I
JEDI TOAD true, but do you remember that there were rumors that icabob was still alive and we actualy see him in the end. The whole "headless hourseman will kill you" could have been an act
It is possible the doctor was the one who made a new head for Jack.
maybe
TickedOff Priest Na his head just became a skull when he died and his skin stripped off!
J Badboy The headless horse man's head was blown off by a cannon ball, those thing can shatter a skull dude. Maybe the doctor did create his head, just like how he created those skeleton reindeer.
What if jack's head was made by the doctor, but what if the same cannon ball was used to make it?!
Raiden Rebrick Then that would be interesting. Unlikely, but it would be cool.
I’m pretty sure Jack was actually burned alive
Entertaining the thought of this fan theory despite the fact that long ago Tim Burton mentioned in an interview that Jack was just a guy who was murdered and buried in a pumpkin patch....If Jack had been a soldier, the idea that he was a Hessian isn't too far fetched because he mentions that he was known among England and France, and the British are the ones who press ganged Germans into the military (the Hessians.) However, he mentions dieing in Kentucky. Kentucky was neutral during the American Revolution, their main fight was with British-hired Native Americans who were paid to scalp Kentuckians and were paid based on the number of scalps they brought in. Had he been a Hessian, he'd have been fighting on the side of the British, and not many British soldiers entered Kentucky during the Revolutionary War. As stated previously, it was mostly battles against Native American mercenaries hired by the British. Jack would've been sent where he was most needed to the front lines, which were nowhere near Kentucky.
The Revolutionary War wasn't in the early 1800s, either. It was 1775-1783. In keeping with the idea of the timeline based on his knowledge of Halloween but lack thereof regarding modern Christmas, and his death in Kentucky, it is much more likely that Jack was a soldier who fought for the British during the War of 1812.
There are also some fan theories out there that Jack was originally based on a character from Irish folklore called Stingy Jack in regards to the origins of the Jack-O-Lantern, and the Irish did fight alongside the British against the non-British controlled Americas....IN the War of 1812.
Now, to rebuke the whole thing fairly simply.....Jack in NMBC did NOT know what snow even was. However, it snows quite often in Germany, it snows in Britain but it only sticks maybe 15 days of the year presently...may have been different in the 1800s. The only place between Ireland, Britain, and Germany where it doesn't really snow is Ireland, though there are some mountains in Ireland that have snow on them during the winter...most winters in Ireland are rainy. So this suggests that Jack was most probably not a Hessian soldier and probably didn't fight in either the Revolutionary War OR the War of 1812 because he'd have experienced at least one or two snowy winters in either Britain or North America during the span of those years spent in military service. He could've been an Irish soldier who died in the War of 1812 before winter hit because the War of 1812 lasted from June 18, 1812 until February 18, 1815. So if he died early on in the war, he could've died before winter ever hit....and had he been Irish, he probably wouldn't have had much contact with snow, or very little memory of it from before he died. We do not, however, know in what year NMBC takes place (other than modern times, probably meant to reflect the 1990s) and how long Jack had already been Pumpkin King to that point. So other than his surprise at certain aspects of the Christmas holiday and traditions, we don't have a solid timeline.
However the whole theory is still absolutely marvelous from a fictitious standpoint. I loved the Adventures of Ichabod Crane and Mr. Toad (1949) as it was by far one of the more creepy cartoons around during my childhood.I've also always loved the legends and lore surrounding the Headless Horseman and Sleepy Hollow. ^.^
Community Without Walls He has to know what snow is. How else would he have known to say that the children were “throwing snowballs instead of throwing heads”?
Your point doesn't debunk his theory friend. He even says that jack, in the possibility of being an Irish soldier, may have seen snow once or twice before but had little to no recollection of it after his death. likewise, humans retain tons of information even if we can't immediately recall it, so jack may have known snow in his lifetime and forgotten it after his death, only to then recall the vague idea of snow and snowball in the heat of his excitement upon discovering Christmas Town.
I never said that it debunked anything. Just that there were some inconsistencies with the theory historically. However it's still a fun idea to entertain. However it *does* debunk his Hessian / Headless Horseman theory if we follow the timeline he set. Jack states in one of his songs that he died in Kentucky. No Hessians died in Kentucky as far as we know in recorded history. However, several Irish soldiers may have.
All of your opinions are awesome. But Jack didn't say he died in Kentucky. He said, "To a guy in Kentucky, I'm Mr. Unlucky". Everything else was on point.
The world was colder in the 1800s, and was even going through a miniature ice age. They definitely had some snow during winter back then.
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Jack Skellington is Edgar Allen Poe
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@@beetlejuicekisser I said I'm joking....
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@@beetlejuicekisser and how many likes does he have now
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I think his real identity is stingy Jack. A man that like to play tricks on people and was far too stingy to help anyone but himself. He was clever though he managed to trick Satan more than once. When he finally died he was such a wicked man that heaven didn't let him in. So he went to hell and when Satan saw who it was he was so ashamed of being tricked he didn't let him in either. He did give Jack one thing a coal of hellfire which burns bright and never goes out. Jack hollowed out a turnips and put the coal into it and that's Jack's lantern. forced to travel between worlds I guess he settled in Halloween town that explains why he can't stay dead. In Ireland they used hollow out turnips and put candles in them I'm sure Satan told the other demons not to bother anyone with a burning turnip on the doorstep. naturally everyone does it who wants to be bothered by demons. And when Irish immigrants moved to America pumpkins were far easier than turnips to carve. Jack's lantern jack-o'-lantern. Maybe the o was to remind people of its Irish heritage O'Brien O'Malley O'Hickey who knows what Jack's last name really was.
That is a possibility. I'm surprised you know that story, not many do.
Tim Burton has his own adaptation of "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow." I guess this checks out for the larger Burtonverse.
When I die, I’m going straight there... also jack would’ve been burned alive, the bone cannot burn and at the beginning how he was a scarecrow burning, that’s a sign of how he died
Everything burns. You just have to get it to the right temp and give it enough time. We're talking something like 600⁰C, which the temp of an average cremation, for 1 to 3 hours. Your typical structure fire doesn't burn long enough to fully reduce a body to ash.
@@KirstenMarie_MS3 I worked at a mortuary and you are correct. Good job🤗
It would make sense if he was in the war bc he “knocked the bravest of thier feet” the people who fought in the war must have been brave idk if this makes sense but im a huge fan of tim burton
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THANK YOU for finding a new explanation for Jack. I hate (strong work, but really) the theory that Jack is Victor. Also that the kid from Frankenweenie became Victor and became Jack. It's wildly accepted with almost no facts and I don't know, I just really really hate it.
I so glad to find someone else who doesn't buy that theory. Not only are all the time periods mixed up, the dogs are all different and even the personalty of each character doesn't match up ether. I don't even see how people think Burton himself confirmed it when (as you said) there's no proof.
I'm happy I could provide an alternative! Thanks for watching!
Tim Burton lost a dog when he was younger so that’s why there always a dead dog in his animated films... Probably why people thought they were all the same person.
BerrySparrowpaw their only connection is that they all had dogs, and the influence for that was Tim Burton having a dog when he was a kid.
I hate that theory because the are all set in different points in time. It's like people don't realize that. I think it's more likely that Jack is related to Victor somehow.
Jack likes to scare people not kill them. And as he makes no mention of ever losing his head for an extended period I find your theory very unbelievable. They don't even have the same body types. Could it be that Jack is just quite simply Jack. Burton himself has already disclosed that
"Every story has a beginning, middle and an end. But no one says you have to write them in that order.". This references Frankenweenie and Corpse Bride as being part of The Nightmare Before Christmas.
There is a major problem with this. The headless horsemen takes place in sleepy hollow a town near tarrytown new york. The revolutionary war ended in 1783 and kentucky wasn't a state till 1792 almost a decade later. He couldn't have known about kentucky if he was the headless horseman because it wasn't made yet.
lllwing0 I don’t remember him saying he was from Kentucky. He says “and to a guy in Kentucky I’m mister unlucky.” Nothing in that says he is from there.
Kat Mitchell I just double checked the lyrics and you are correct it says guy not died, that is my mistake. It still brings up the problem regarding the knowledge of Kentucky being a state or place if he died almost 10 years prior to the forming of the state.
"I'm a master of fright, and a demon of light
And I'll scare you right out of your pants
To a guy in Kentucky, I'm Mister Unlucky
And I'm known throughout England and France"
I think this is just his example of know of his talents. they could be old and new. since every year he goes to our realm to scare on the night of Halloween. Just cause he mentions it doesn't mean that he was alive at that time. a matter a fact i read this as he is already dead and probably has been dead for some time.
He remade sleepy Halloween. And Johnny plays Crane
lllwing0 the song didn't say he died in Kentucky, is said to a guy in Kentucky
He seems to suit the Irish legend stingy Jack who tricked the devil multiple times. Who wasn't allowed into heaven but also the devil wouldn't collect his soul. Where he carved a turnip to hold the candle the devil gave him to light his path as the devil felt pitty on him. Seems to suit the character and reasoning explaining limbo in this
Yeah, Jack o' Lantern
Yeah that's what I thought
That's my theory too, I think Jack represents Stingy Jack who lead to the jack-o-lantern which is why Jack is the pumpkin king
Steamy Nerd as an Irish person, I’m delighted to know that other people know and remember that legend!!
@@HaleyGrant01 i love legends like that i am a Halloween fanatic. I love these things! There fantastic & undeniably intresting!
What if the monster who hides under the stairs died in Germany during World War Two and got caught hiding under the stairs and died in camp
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Mal The descender actually its too not two.
4:39 why is this part silent?! Who did Jack murder?!
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*I honestly think Jack is Victor*
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I think that theory was debunked by the creator
I think definitely not.
It's not a family tree. If Jack had to be born before Christmas was a thing AND as he says in Jack's Lament had to be there for a long time, he couldn't be related to Victor who lived only in the 1800's. I thought the whole Family Tree thing was a bit of a stretch anyway...
I don't. Jack's skull shape wouldn't fit Victor. Jack doesn't have a pointy chin. He has a round face.
Not a theory about Jack.. But about zero. Okay.... Zero was actually Sparky from Frankenweenie before he died. Then he was Scraps from corpse bride. Then of course he becomes Zero.
Now my theory about Jack is that all of the dog owners from all those movies are the same person!!!! In Frankenweenie that was him as a little boy. Then he becomes Victor in corpse bride. And then Jack. I understand they all have different names but that is because once Victor got older he moved away from his friends an wanted to start over... So he changed his name to Victor. When he died he went to Halloween Town and he didn't want anyone to recognize/remember him.
Kenzi Hex. Seems fitting
Kenzi Hex I had this exact theory bro
Yeah it makes sense
But isn't frankenweenie more present then the corpse bride? He couldn't have gone back in time to grow up
that theory was debunked
No he used to be Waluigi
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It’s pal, not mate. Causal
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This guy gets it
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BRILLIANT: HE DOES Have
The Bone Structure & Height
Of Ichabod Crane & Burton DID
Make His OWN Version Of
"SleepyHollow" Which SHOWS
That He Obviously DID Have
An Affinity For The Irving Story!
In-Fact; You See Jack Constantly
Studying/Reading Books & Even
TEACHING The Residents About
The Customs Of The Seasons!
Jack’s backstory is in James and the Giant Peach. He was a pirate captain (great leader and fighter like you said) back in the 1600s who loved to scare people. Jack said “to have died in Kentucky I’m Mr. unlucky and I’m known throughout England and France.” He sailed throughout Europe looting ships abs eventually got lost in Antartica where his ship sunk and his whole crew died. Antarctica like Kentucky is basically in the middle of nowhere (no offense to anyone). Jack’s crew kicked him out after the battle with Mr. Centipede and he decided to become a good guy. He learned how to make the magic green things that grew the Giant Peach and brought him back from the dead. He used them to bring other dead people back including the Mayor and Dr. Finkelstien. If you think about it, Jack highjacked another holiday much like pirates would highjack other ships.
has this been confirmed?
I think Jack is the original Jack from jack-o-lantern the original reason of Halloween
That's what I thought too! Him being Stingy Jack would be fitting.
Jack-o-Lantern is the reason why we decorade pumpkins for Halloween. The celebration itself is actually Irish and way older.
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Not Irish, Gaelic. And gourds WERE used to ward off spirits, but not Pumpkins.
Except it was replaced with pumpkins on a much larger scale. And Jack was Irish, Rutabaga not gourd.
Everyone arguing here needs to watch and read The Halloween Tree. It isn’t just Gaelic. It has many influences from many cultures.
Jack is the "leader" of Halloween, just like Santa Claus is the "leader" of Christmas.
Krampus (jk) orrr...
Jesus is the "leader" of Christmas. But I do get what your saying.
@@Isabelle-Cassels Christmas is a pagan holiday
Yeah! Exactly! Jack Skellington is the leader of Halloween Town, just like Santa Claus is the leader of Christmas Town! ^_^
@@miriamambriz-mendez4138 unmmmm no....the holiday that the Romans celibated was... Christmas it's self has always been to celebrate the birth of Jesus......pls read up on history before commenting otherwise it just makes you look foolish
I don't think Jack is *really* dead, he's just the embodiment of Halloween. He was just... always a skeleton who always lived in Halloween Town.
Also claiming Jack is the same character as someone from a completely unrelated movie is just dumb.
This is also a good one
I'm happy that you posted another video. I wondered about this too. Thanks for answering these questions that we all have. You are awesome Issac!
My pleasure! I'm happy I could bring you some of the answers I come up with. Thanks for watching!
One question about your theory Issac, Why do we see Jack Skeleton in a pirate ship in the movie "James and the Giant peach"? : th-cam.com/video/hBFovm9TAvwC/w-d-xo.htmlan you explain this in a second part to this theory?
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My headcanon is that Jack and The Headless Horseman are not the same people. I believe that The Horseman was the former king of Halloween, and Jack was his apprentice at the time. The Horseman gave Jack a bunch of war trivia and knowledge that Jack used later on in his life as the king.
Oakley Koelzer I like your take on the theory, but where is the head less horsemen now?
Jack and Victor have the same dog 😂😂😂
Kathryn Villanueva But Jacks dogs name is Zero and Victors is Scraps
Pink Peaches AG
DAMNIT!
How would a skeleton dog turn into a ghost dog
1 his grave says zero 2why
Flammable Screen Mabye the dogs body and spirt separated
Another thing to kinda support the theory is when jack is being carried out in the opening scenes of nightmare before Christmas, he’s on a horse with a pumpkin for a head. Another thing is during this scene he swallows the fire, lighting himself on fire, to which the headless horseman has a pumpkin light on fire,
It looks like he used the cannon ball as a head replacement.
3:23 He looks like Anton Ego from Ratatouille. Are they related?!?
Who watch the Last Jedi trailer when it aired? I did!
Baby Groot I did
Well technically all humans are related, so yes.
Yeah, but I mean direct related not distant related.
Damn, that resemblance is uncanny! I have to wonder if the Ratatouille character designer was inspired by this Headless Horseman animation, they're practically identical looking!
Also, Mr. Centipede calls the pirate captain a “skelington” which is Jack’s last name. He then says “jackpot” as he tries to leave with the compass. The skeleton captain makes the same exact scary face Jack does at the townmeeting.
Yes that's a Jack Skellington cameo but I personally think that if there's any lore with the Jack cameo, then Jack was either convinced to cameo in the movie or that was one of his scares lol
If we’re talking about the James and the giant peach that’s not a Tim Burton film
Yep o saw it the exact same one. Besides what other movie has a skeleton who looks exactly like Jack
It was a cameo appearance so no he could have been burned at the stake because of his clothes that makes more sense.
I already figured it out. Jack Skellington was born sometime before Victor & Victoria. Victor & Victoria, might have witnessed a crime and left, and had to changed their own names. Their own surname have to changed to Skellington, sometime after they both had kids of their own. One of the kids names were Jack, as in Jack Skellington. That we known, and he used to celebrate Christmas. Something went wrongfully when Jack was still young, they all couldn’t celebrate Christmas not anymore. So, Jack only remembers Halloween. If you approve my theory, please comment down. And have Burton day.
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Um... Tim Burton directed a version of sleepy hollow... so... that might be more relevant. I mean, it's the same information, and obviously there are some visual clues like the statues, but doesn't it make sense that Tim Burton would want to give that backstory in his own movies? Also...
WHY ARE WE ASSUMING HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET CLOSURE FROM FINDING HIS HEAD. When you're fighting, like say, a war or something, fear is your greatest ally. It's your first defense. You can avoid a fight (which you may lose, and thus, die from) if you're just scary enough. But then he DID die, and what he was trying to do when he died he still felt a strong need to do (Tim Burton explains all this in the corpse bride, how emily desperately wants to get married, since it's what she was trying to do when she died). The problem is, these characters have a strong need to do that thing, but they have to overcome what it was that they feel the strong need to do. Because they died. It's like how people will get robbed, and then they're afraid of being alone at night or something. They have to overcome the thing they're afraid to let go of. Once they do, they have personal growth, and can move on from it. And, you know, move on. So it's not about doing what they feel they want to, it's about doing the right thing DESPITE what they feel. For emily, she really wanted to get married, but she didn't, because it wasn't the right thing ("this is wrong") and thus, grew and moved on. With Jack, it's letting go of his fear. Which is why he still hasn't moved on in the end. But it is a good step in the right direction, because he learns to respect Christmas (sets it back to rights, doesn't see it as a means to cause more fear anymore) and even starts to feel love for himself (with Sally). So love was the thing he was missing all along (they make no attempt to hide that I think) and even though he hasn't let go of fear and moved on, it's still kinda a happy ending (showing positive growth, so maybe he WILL move on later). Poof. There's that theory! Tell me what ya'll think.
And to those who say the new sleepy hollow doesn't fit with my theory, since the headless horseman moves on in the end, after getting his head, notice there's also a woman on his horse who he kisses. I think it's supposed to symbolize that. Otherwise it jsut seems a bit random that he kisses her, don't you think? AND HE GOES INTO A TREE. WHICH COULD BE THE HALLOWEEN TREE DONCHA THINK.
Well explained, thank you
This is a really good theory!
I've never watched ANY of the movies in your theory, but my father told me alot about NBC, watched it or not, I like the way you theorize.
Wasn’t jack burned to death? There was a lot of evidence. You should watch some vids on that.
I’ve always thought Jack was Jack Sparrow. He was a pirate in James and the Giant Peach and the reason he’s all bones is because like in Pirates one his curse caused him to lose his skin.
My sister dated Chris Sarandon, the voice of Jack Skellington when they were growing up in West Virginia.
TonyaMarie Brown cool
Hate to break it to ya but Chris Sarandon? XD
I just really want him to be Ichabod Crane and that's why his head comes off I know it's because he's a skeleton but still
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Is this related to Harry potter if so he's nearly headless nick
Jack having once been Ichabod Crane is actually a really neat idea
kayway the kay way hi This isn't Harry Potter. Nearly Headless Nick is a different character entirely. There was an actual Disney movie about Ichabod Crane and the Headless Horseman. The ending of the movie shows the Horseman throwing a flaming jack'o lantern at Ichabod. While his death is unconfirmed, people believe that the Horseman stole his head as Ichabod's hat is shown with Ichabod nowhere in sight
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Me: hears him talk about the American revolution
My brain: ALEXANDER HAMILTON!!!!
What?
Calm down
Tbh kinda same not gonna lie
Who the hell is that?
MY NAME IS ALEXANDER HAMILTON....AND THERE'S A MILLION THINGS I'VE NEVER DONE....JUST YOU WAIT, JUST YOU WAIIIIIIT
Wat the end of the movie when Jack and Sally are singing Jack is falling in love with his nurse that aided him during the war. It would make sense because Sally knows how to stitch herself back together. Jack had eyes for her after some time injuries that he got during the war.
A number of people also reckon jack was a performer. Maybe he was a performer, then soldier? And Sally was a nurse present at his death? I reckon Sally might've gotten blown up or chopped up or something, as horrible as that sounds. It makes sense with her sewing herself up.
I dont think it matters who Jack was when he was alive, because I love jack for who he is now..the king of Halloween.
Omg Wotso! I cannot believe you did my favorite Halloween Town Character! I waited for this! Thank you!
I'm glad I could bring this to you then!! Thanks for watching!
I love this theory! Though I always believed that Jack was something like a miscarriage, dead since birth. All he knows is Halloween and that's why Christmas is so strange to him
That is a great theory!
I just watched Tim Burton’s Sleepy Hollow film - Jack Skellington could have totally been that Ichabod Crane!!!!
can you do Oogie Boogie next I would love to know his backstory and who he was when he was alive (though my theory is that he was dr. facille from Princess and the frog)
That's what I'm thinking myself. Especially since in another one of Issac's videos he theorized that his friends on the otherside were the residents of HalloweenTown, and it would seem like a fitting punishment for Faciler since he never paid his friends back.
Impossible
Faciliter stays away from games of chance
If you play the Nightmare Before Christmas:The Pumpkin King
At the end Oogie's backstory is revealed, Oogie Boogie had his own holiday called Bug Day, but everybody forgot about it, and all the bugs came together and found Halloween Town and then remained there, then the events of the movie take place, after the movie, it's the PlayStation 2 game Oogie's Revenge, many don't know where the events of Kingdom Hearts takes place though.
Redbandit LOL
Only problem is what happened to the horse? I always assumed that was an attack were part of the original story and hunting. Couldn't it be a possibility that him saying he's "dead" is not in the sense of dead and alive but like I might say im "mammalian"? More of a descriptor of the class of creature than any comment on its previous state.
EnAimBoy wait isn't Halloween town also a movie series done by Disney? About witches? I wonder if they r linked.
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That is interesting to ask
Jack died from being burned alive. When someone is Burt alive their skellington are the only thing that is left. Their is proof In the opening song, Jack sets himself on fire then jumps in the water, and turns into Jack the skellington.
Skeleton, not Skellington. Jack is a skeleton. His name is Jack Skellington. Skellington is a surname (as in 'of the town of Skelling'). They chose his last name because it sounds like skeleton.
@@BunniRabbi I’m pretty sure they were tryna make a pun
@@BunniRabbi there was also a theory that Jack was Jack The Ripper
@@thegreeter7027 Interesting. How did that go?
Not necessarily true: he could have amnesia about his life, which is a common trope in movies
That's what I thought too. Also, being that he's so theatrical, could he have been an actor, performer or a director? He also gives me eccentric rich man vibes.
Well, maybe he wasnt the headless horseman. But a soldier in the American Revolution, got shot and he maybe died in fear, thus, he wants to scare others so the other people can feel the same way he did. It makes sense to.
That's stupid
Though I do respect your theory it doesn't really make sense I mean in the begging of movie when Jack came out of the well we can see that before there was a pumpkin head burning while dancing which can explain how he died (burned alive) also when he sings his solo (Jack's Lament) he says, "I'll scare you out of your pants" and he was known throughout England and France which can mean he could have been some sort of person that would scare people (I don't know the name of what that would be called back then) but that's what I think.
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I researched that jack was burnt alive
your comment just proved this video is pointless.
I wonder if he could have been Ichabod Crane...specifically the one from the Tim Burton version....
Lol I'm watching nightmare before Christmas right now !!
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Well dont, you will miss the movie when you are looking at your phone/tablet/pc/laptop
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I'm watching the corpse bride 😂
Well listening to it in the background
😂 haha silly duck 🦆 duck you are watching this video or rather reading this comment hehe 😉 so you are listening to his video with nightmare before Christmas as back background my you are a good multitasker
Who has seen the patriot movie with Mel Gibson well this might seem a little far fetched but in that movie there was a/an soldier who’s head was blown off by a canonball
only a little far fetched
Excepttttt most people think/or know jack was actually burned alive because of how jack enters the movie
The dog from frankenweenie was called sparkie and jacks dog was also called sparkie so jack is victor the main character from corpse bride was also called victor so it was one storyline