The Mark of Zorro (1940) vs. The Mask of Zorro (1998)- Revenge of the Remakes- Colby's Nerd Talks
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- Zorro has been remade so many times over the years but which version is the best? Here I break down why both versions have endured for decades.
I like pretending that The Mark of Zorro was the Hopkins version as a young man & TThe Mask of Zorro is its sequel!
You know now that i think about it, you might actually be right. What if the Mark of Zorro was the start of a trilogy with The mask of Zorro and The legend of Zorro as the sequel movies?
Mask of Zorro could be a potential sequel to any single Zorro movie or show
In the beginning of "Mark", we see Diego at school in Spain, which implies that it occurs before Mexico declared its independence in 1821. In "Mask" Captain Love uses a revolver (which wasn't developed until the 1830s); therefore the film is set much later. so your theory actually works.
Ma favorites Zorro is Duncan Regehr (1990-1993) and Guy Williams.
Basil Rathbone was an epic fencer in real life, champion fencer of the British Army, decorated for valor in WWI. He also fenced as the villain against some of the best swashbuckler characters in the movies, not only Tyrone Power but also against Errol Flynn. Later in life, he reportedly gave Power the prize in a contest against Flynn, saying Power could have fenced Flynn into a cocked hat. Ironically, one of the last swashbuckler roles Rathbone played, again as a villain was in the Danny Kaye comedy "The Court Jester." Rathbone was past his prime in that film but he did compliment Kaye, who had only had a few weeks of fencing lessons. He praised Kaye's athletic ability and said he did well in the hilarious fencing scene in the climax of that really entertaining film.
Danny Kaye was brilliant, especially in his seamless transition back and forth between his two fencing personas. Great tongue in cheek satire.
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Basil Rathbone (by the way it is pronounced Basil with a short 'a' as in cat) was twice British Army Fencing Champion. In all of his films he was the superior swordsman, but had to lose to the hero. Rathbone won only twice on screen, as Tybalt gainst Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet (1936) and against the friar in The Mark of Zorro (1940). Rathbone coached both Flynn and Power and found Power to be a truly gifted amateur swordsman who could fence Flynn "into a cocked hat."
FRED CAVENS TAUGHT BOTH FLYNN AND POWER,HIS SON ALBERT CAVENS DOUBLED POWER AND IN LONG SHOTS AND BEHIND THE BACK SCENES.
my aunt took me to see the mask of zorro as a kid when it came out in 1998 ,so it's one of those movies that hold a special place in my heart.
having watched the the 1940 version of the film recently , i can certainly see why it has a certain appeal
That's a great story. I never did get to see it in theaters (I was just born) but I can see how special that experience would be.
11:01 Nasty as it may be, it is a historical fact that Captain Harry Love kept the head and hands of a man he claimed was Joaquin Murrieta in jars of brandy, and even toured them around California, charging a dollar to anyone who wanted to see the remains.
Basil got to win a few sword fights when he was playing Sherlock Holmes.
That's true, and he owned that role too
Two of my favorite films ever.
I was fortunate enough to acquire one of the Zorro swords used during the filming of "Mask Of Zorro" some years ago. It wasn't the one used by Antonio,
but used by one of his stunt doubles. Still very cool though. To this day I have it on display, in my home, right in front of the film's teaser poster. It's a huge
image of Antonio, holding up his identical sword, and looks really cool just behind my stunt double sword. As much as I still enjoy the classic 1940 version,
I have to say that, sword, or no sword, "The Mask Of Zorro" (1998) is truly the superior film. I think it's the greatest Zorro film ever made, with Antonio making
this role all his own.
Thank you so much for this video! I wasn't able to see the mask of zorro in theatres because I was born in 97, but my dad introduced it to me when I was 7yrs old. I became obsessed immediately, and ever since then it has been one of my favourite movies. In recent years I've tried to find a nr1 fav out of all my favourites (there are a lot of them XD), and the mask of zorro became nr1
Mask of Zorro is a masterpiece, but definitely check out Mark of Zorro. It is also really good!
I own both movies on DVD. The problem I have with the Tyrone Power movie is he creates Zorro seemingly out of mo where. In other words, there’s no build up or explanation as to why he adopts the Zorro persona. It’s just that - suddenly in one scene - we see him dressed in black and riding his horse through the town. But where did he get the idea in the first place? It’s jarring the way he just one day became Zorro without letting us, the audience, understand how he chose that disguise and character.
By the time the Tyron Power movie came out, the ZORRO stories/books by Johnston McCulley [The Curse of Capistrano in 1919 and 60+ others] were popular and the origin story was well known to most avid readers and movie fans.
Ha- I did NOT know Batman's folks were watching Zorro!! Learn something every day. Again- GREAT review-- one I finally AGREE with!! but again- also I like them BOTH- "BEST"-- for what they were.. DIFFERENT.
Thanks, I agree completely. Both are near perfect adaptations for the time they were made and both hold up remarkably well today
There was an excellent, made for television, I believe, version of Zorro with Ricardo Montalban as Captain Escobar, and I think it was Frank Langella as Don Diego. It was virtually the 1940s movie, shot in color! I believe it was in the 80s. You should check it out.😉
I have to mention my fencing instructor, Ralph Faulkner, who trained many of the action actors from Hollywoods Golden Age. Ralph was also stunt double on films for Rathbone.
Alain Delon brings the Spaghetti Western! For this...Hopkins swagger!!!!
4:22 “Anthony Hopkins - - -: he really played it very well, I don't think anyone else could have played it better than him”
[Taps shoulder ]
(Ahem)....... *Ricardo Montalban*
I would've loved to see him as Zorro
Actually, I always that Frank Langella would have been ideal casting. He was the right age, ethnicity and most of all, he portrayed Don Diego de la Vega in The Mark of Zorro (1974).
My favourite Zorro is Guy Williams from the 1957 TV show as for my favourite Zorro film, I think I have to give it to The Mask Of Zorro because i grew up with it
“Basil Rathbone was one of the greatest, perhaps the greatest, swordsmen in film history, but he only won two sword fights. In The Mark of Zorro, he defeated Eugene Pallette. His other victory was in his Oscar-nominated role of Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet (1936), where he kills Mercutio (John Barrymore).” *(cite imdb, “The Mark of Zorro”, Trivia)*
By the way, Linda Darnell was 16 years old when she made this movie. Tyrone power was 26.
- BG
Although, Antonio and many others played well as Zorro BUT sincerely, the charming personality of Tyrone Power has no match, not only as Zorro but also as Jesse James...
Yeah, Power is just a ball of charisma. He's a tough act to follow.
Mohsin Raza: I completely agree with you!
This was great! Glad you showed appreciation for the old classics as well as the newer (now old though) Zorro. Keep up the good work with similar content like this!
Glad you liked it. I’ve been trying to do a Remakes vid every month so more is on the way
Dude, good is good, it has no age labeled on it.
@@amberslahlize7961 I agree. Did I ever say "Old is bad"?
@@Entertainer114 Me just saying. :)
I'd love to see you talk about the 2024 show that came out in January on prime. Its incredibly fun and well shot as well as adds to the lore of Zorro in a way that no other Zorro media has!!
Lets be honest...how can you really hate either one of these Zorros? As far as I know, they both complete each other.
Very interesting review. The Great Race is not a swashbuckler per se but the lead (Tony Curtis) and the love interest (Natalie Wood) cross swords - she brags that she won some women's fencing competition, they cross swords, he flips her sword away, and said "Now, if you had won the Men's competition."
Douglas Fairbanks is the original and best Zorro. He played Zorro in two movies in 1920 and 1925.
Basil rathbone wins a duel in “the Court jester” but it’s just a quick throwaway fight with a background character
4:37 Also just want to point out especially since you mentioned how this is essentially a sequel to the 1940 version It's amazing how much Anthony Hopkins looks like an older version of the Zorro from that movie
Also if you watch the TV show there's some callbacks like Anthony Hopkins Zorro when he's in disguise being referred to as Bernardo who was the mute sidekick of Zorro in the TV series The love interest of Zorro in that TV show was also named Elena
The best Zorro is the 1940 Mark of Zorro and the sword fight between Power and Rathbone is terrific. Guy Williams was also appealing in the TV series. I've seen the Antonio Banderas ones and they did not impress me. I've never wanted to see them again but I've seen the 1940 one a lot and always enjoy it.Not only is the action good but Linda Darnell and Tyrone Power have beautiful chemistry. Rathbone said Errol Flynn was a lousy swordsman but Tyrone Power was very good.
The mark of zorro from 1940 has the best duel in cinema history😊
These are my two favorite Zorro movies. I did grow up watching the Guy Williams version on TV re-run which is a ton of fun, but these two stand out in my mind.
Remember the Scarlet Pimeral? There are parallels.
There are parallels to a multitude of heroic figures of literature and screen that use the concept of a disguised hero. They all have "secret identities."
I like the Mark of Zorro, Mask of Zorro and Legend of Zorro. The action in them are great.
The 1940 version is very similar to "The Scarlet Pimpernel"...even to the point where he spends most of his time without a disguise.
Apparently the original Zorro books were greatly inspired by The Scarlet Pimpernel. Do you mean the 1934 film starring Leslie Howard? That was tremendous, he was the perfect Sir Percy Blakeney!
Basil Rathbone was an extremely good fencer; he was two-time British Army fencing champ, legend has it he was so good they had to get an Olympic fencer to body double for Tyrone in parts of the big duel scene. Tyrone was apparently very good as well; Rathbone said he was the best fencing opponent he ever had onscreen, in his words Tyrone 'could fence Errol Flynn into a cocked hat'.
If you haven't seen it already, I'd recommend the Disney Zorro tv series (1957). The same fencing choreographer Fred Cavens worked on all the big Zorro productions of the time: the Douglas Fairbanks silent film, the Tyrone Power film, and the Disney series starring Guy Williams. Cavens said of the three Zorros he taught to fence, Fairbanks was the most flamboyant fencer, Power the best student, and Williams the most talented. Guy Williams and his Zorro villain, Britt Lomond who played Capitan Monastario, both previously learned fencing at the school of Aldo Nadi, a multi gold medal and championship winning competition fencer who is considered by some to be the best sabre fencer who ever lived. As you'd expect, the duels between them are pretty outstanding, and the whole production was very high quality, one of the most expensively made tv series of its time.
I greatly prefer the silent Zorro to the 1940's version. I will point out that Mask of Zorro is the only other Zorro film I've seen where the Zorro character wears a fake mustache as a disguise, so I think of Mask as a sequel to the Fairbanks version.
Finally- a review I agree with.. for me- they are ALL the best--- for different reasons... can't compare apples and pumpkins.. :)
Great overview of these excellent films and their similarities. differences and connections to other fiction.
I love both of these movies. Watching them over and over was one of the things that finally inspired me to get off the sofa and actually learn how to fence- some twenty years ago.
I see the Fairbanks stuff in a different category, because he seemed to play a sloppy, joking character, so unlike the dashing Zorro of Power, Hopkins, Banderas or Batman for that matter.
En Garde!
That's awesome! Fencing was always something I wanted to try but never really did. It looks like a lot of fun
@@ColbyDicksNerdTalks You look far younger than I am. Find a club and start taking lessons. You might be entering tournaments by next summer! Not that all fencers must enter tournaments; fencing is worthwhile even if you train and fight only practice bouts in your home club. Be well sir.
Thank you
Basil Rathbone only ever won two sword fights in the movie one against father Filipe in the Mask of Zorro the other i cannot remember.
The best Zorro actors were: #1-Tyrone power, #2- Guy Williams, #3- Duncan Regehr, #4- Alain Delon and then Antonio Banderas..... You Have to understand the histoty and culture together with the cronology of the original story to truly understand the concept of the character and the actors who best played that concept...... Much love!
I prefer the 1940 version with handsome Tyren Power 😍
Zorro 1975 Alain Delon
Loved his voice…it was great…I think he could have played a great Bruce Wayne
Here's something that always bugged me in Mask of Zorro. Obviously Montero and Captain Love are the two main villains but what happened to the other dons? Especially Don Luiz?? Him and the others just get forgotten about. Were they not a threat anymore? Were they in agreement with Montero's plan or not?
Correct me if I’m wrong but was Antonio Banderis the first Hispanic to play Zorro?
You bring up an interesting point. I did some research and as for the American adaptations, yes Banderas is the first. But there have been MANY other countries making Zorro films over the years, including Mexico. They've been making Zorro films since 1948 with entirely hispanic casts, so I guess technically they would be the first.
Since Zorro wasn't Hispanic, it makes since he's rarely been portrayed as such.
Basil did use a sword a little in SHERLOCK HOLMES--- but didn't complete the fight.. neither lost or won..
Matt Letscher (who is best known for playing the Reverse Flash) played Captain Love. I personally thought he was a great villain, but I respect your opinion nonetheless.
Same. The real Captain Love apparently had a thing for keeping heads in jars, so I like that they included that in The Mask of Zorro.
I Like All Zorro Movies Except George Hamiton ie Zorro The Gay Blade But One Alidon Deon Is One Of My Favorate Then Mark Next Is Mask
Legend of zorro is great too
Got to break it to all of you. The best Zorros are Guy Williams in Disney's Zorro, and Duncan Regehr in New World's Zorro. Yes, the TV Zorros are better than movie Zorros
Duncan Regher was amazing. I loved how his Diego really WAS a science nerd bookworm. Diego felt more like a real guy instead of just how Zorro fools people.
Good comparison and I prefer the Mask of Zorro but how come you didn’t bring up Stuart Wilson’s performance as Rafael Montero while talking about the movies villains
Yua-keen....J pronounced as a Wah...and based on a historical bandit.
What did you think of the sequel to Mask of Zorro (legend of zorro?)
It’s fun to watch once in a while but is nowhere near the quality of the first one.
I believe Basil Rathbone wins a fight in a screen adaptation of Romeo and Juliet, in the role of Tybalt. I find it to be a rather poorly shot fight scene that doesn't show his skills to best advantage, sadly, but others may disagree
If you're going to compare movies, make it The Mark Of Zorro and Zorro The Gay Blade... those are more connected than the Banderas versions.
My vote goes to Tyrone Power.
Excellent review. As I turn 60, it's nice to see the younger generations appreciate the Classic Movies from Hollywood's Golden Age.
My favorite Zorro movie is The Mark of Zorro; however, I think where the narrator praised Tyrone Power (one of my favorite actors) for how his performance captured the essence of Don Diego, I think that was the one flaw with the 1940 version. Not enough action scenes with the Zorro character.
The 1998 version was a very good movie and the reason why Catherine Zeta-Jones was able to duel and fight as opposed to Linda Darnell, in the 1940 version because the actresses were in two different eras. Today Catherine Zeta-Jones's character would be a "Mary Sue" and act like a "Karen".
There were 5 serials and movies between 1937 and 1949, where one version had a lady Zorro called "Zorro's Bull Whip", and Clayton Moore who would play the Lone Ranger in the 1950s played in the movie "Ghost of Zorro" from 1949.
Guy Williams was very popular in the 1957 to 1959 series. The series ended after two seasons due to a financial dispute between Disney and the network over ownership of Zorro. During the legal battle, however, Disney kept the franchise going for a few years in the form of four new hour-long Zorro adventures aired on the anthology series. It was a shame the series was cut short.
It's unfortunate Zorro, John Carter of Mars, The Shadow, The Phantom, The Lone Ranger The Green Hornet (who's related to The Lone Ranger), Jonny Quest, and Tarzan amongst others are all passe heroes now. Even though there have been cartoon versions of some of these characters like Disney's Tarzan over the last 20 to 25 years most of these characters probably won't have another TV show or cartoon.
I liked these characters growing up, but I think these characters are too outdated for today's audiences. The last two Lone Ranger movies were complete flops (even with Johnny Deep as Tonto), the 2011 Green Hornet movie was awful, and the 2016 live-action Tarzan movie was also terrible. I didn't know there was a 2016 Tarzan movie until last year.
Thanks for your comment! If you want to know what I think of The Lone Ranger and Green Hornet films I have videos dedicated to them, expressing my disappointment with them and the potential that was wasted. Feel free to check those out!
@@ColbyDicksNerdTalks Thanks. I will.
@@ColbyDicksNerdTalks BTW, If you haven't seen this movie, I recommend the movie with Tyrone Power called Son of Fury. I think it's one of his best films and very underrated. It was released in 1942 and is available on TH-cam for free with ads. If you've never seen the movie and decide to watch it, let me know what you think.
HAHAHAHAHA Today Catherine Zeta-Jones character would act like Karen, totally on point there.
Your a Zorro fan, I’m a Zoro fan
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wa-KEEN not ja-Keen! otherwise great video
hahahah also Basil not Bayzil. Gotta love the comments section for the pedantry :)
Joaquin, like Joaquin Phoenix.
You all are making the mistake of believing what you see on screen is reality. Both Zorros are coreographed THEATRICAL duels that have no connection to what real sword fights were actually like. So, no one won or really disarmed anyone and no one actually won these duels. Also, if you do your reasearch., you will find that the Zorro stories are set in the wrong historical period, the costumes incorrect for the period, the swords are competion sabers, not period correct weapons, and not period fencing styles. What you see is done for dramatic effect with no attempt at reality. As an entertaining Hollywood film, the Power Zorro remains my favorite for the reasons you have pointed out.
That's not a jar of water, that's a jar of alcohol.
The 1940 Mark of Zorro is odd in that he appears in the film with two different kinds of masks and doesn't appear in costume at all in the last 20 minutes when the climactic sword fight takes place and the revolution!
Because that was the idea. That version is about a hero who keeps on being what he is even though he does not longer show people his true identity.
Simply zorro 90s tv series
Mask of zorro
Legend of zorro
My own cannon
ill take tyrone power over banderas any day
The MASK of Zorro is a joke.