The controller wasn’t fixed for retail. Lian-Li just put a note on their website to not use port 1: Each port supports a maximum of 10 TL fans or 3 TL LCD fans Note: The 1st port doesn’t support TL LCD.
Also, 6 (or 7) LCD screens, max, per controller. So, losing port 1 for LCD screens doesn't mean losing any capability aside from, simply not being able to use that particular port for LCD fans.
Lian Li software is just bad. After years, it's still years behind. It's a shame cause the hw is great..but the software is always beta version, if not alpha. (I have AL fans with Connect 2)
You’re right about it being garbage software. However it’s also about what that software calls home with disguised as telemetry. Not to mention vulnerabilities! This is why I use OpenRGB to control my devices.
From my time in the turbomachinery industry, the term for the speed of the outer diameter (tip) of the blades is "tip speed." Excellent video! Thank you.
Just noticed your measuring in kelvin but displaying the results in centigrade for example at the 6:44 mark the corsair result should be 295.2 degrees kelvin not 22.2 /pedant mode off
I've never cared for a PC aesthetics no RGB, matching colors, glass panels just pure performance for the money so I'll stick with Arctics but needless to say if I was into it, these fans are so frickin cool.
exactly. I don't have any need to turn my pc into a disco ball. It seems to me some people spend a lot of time making their system look special. then they compare it online. And maybe run benchmarks and compare. And then never really ending up doing much on their pc. Its like someone pimps their car. only to show it off on meetings. But only uses it to get groceries sometimes. I don't want to shit on their parade. But it does feel a bit wrong somehow. give me a clean looking pc that mostly just does what it needs to do.
I'm also Arctic "fan". No RGB, decent performance*, and for a pack of 5 fans, you don't have to sell a house. *Arctic Liquid Freezer II is, according to GN, one of the best performing AIO, which I bought before they reviewed it. And it was just 100 EUR. Insane value.
@@MrMastadox That's the beautiful part about PC building. They aren't doing it wrong, and neither are you. Wanna build your PC in a cardboard box? Go for it. Wanna submerge it in a mineral oil bath? Go right ahead. No lights? Black it out like New York City, 1977. All the lights? That's groovy baby. I understand not liking the aesthetic, but how does it affect you otherwise other than making you sound like a grumpy old man?
These Christmas days,I was going to "upgrade" my son's pc with the 3rd generation LianLi fans (from the 2nd He already has) along with a good cleaning etc.. And....Stopped.. I'll wait for the upgraded new version...For peace of mind (as it was untill now..) Very nice and productive fans though...Generally in this business, it is very difficult to be at the top all the time...Sometime another one will take the First position... Anyway, I wish you all a very Happy New Year.. Grüße aus Neuss Deutschland
This shape of fan (duct) in general is incredibly powerful as well, this effect can give large temperature benefit, very easy cheap way to get better temp, ducts of some variety
My favorite fan of all time is the Evercool AL12025B. One of the only full metal body fans I'm aware of. I have one that's been spinning constantly for like 15 years. I think they have the best looking shrouds- like CNC aluminum. They should get more love.
Thanks for the video. As a graphics dork it's weird and eye-catching in a bad way that the dark blue ring on the Lian Li LCD displays appears to have chroma subsampling artifacts on the edges, like they're sending a low quality JPEG file to the fan for the screens. I thought it was a youtube artifact at first but it seems like it's actually there on the fan displays, and it makes me wonder what Lian Li is doing with these things. On the other hand I'd normally be sitting far enough from my PC case that I probably wouldn't notice it in practice...
The displays, especially when displaying stats, look really great! But i wish there were NON-RGB versions as well (just plain black fans and blades but with that display), and i also wish the Lian Li Software was actually better.
JTC did review them too, but to be honest, I would never buy fans for that kind of look, except for the (A)RGB LED ones, that light up your case. Besides, if you mount them on the front side of your case, you can hardly see them. Or on top of your case, the same. If you van mount them on the under side, you have full view of the LCD.
I expect the primary use case is the Lian-Li 011 type case where they use the front-side vertical mounts. That's the only one that comes to mind where these would actually be good, other than external radiator builds (at that point, may aswell use dedicated screen).
Those are really interesting fans albeit expensive, will you test the non LCD variant also? On the spec sheet the dimensions are the same but while the LCD fan claims 68.1 CFM / 3.5 mmH2O the regular one states 103.9 CFM / 2.34 mmH2O (but it's also faster at 1800 rpm Vs 1600 rpm)
I would also be interested to know where are the extra 4 mm listed in the dimensions (they say 144x140x28). Is that the infinity mirror or are the protruding lock pieces?
I have a Super Lanboy and it's missing the front grill. When i bought it, i was thinking of 3D printing the grill. Then, i figured out it's probably ~140mm and maybe i should put a 140mm fan with a 120mm adapter to the front of the case. I'll figure something out...
1:22 THIS is an amazing looking RGB. Not the today's over brightened fans that can blind you if you keep staring at them. I really love this aesthetic and how discreet it is, it's very pleasant to look at.
@@Appri that's what I like about it, that you can see the shape of the blades a bit while they're spinning, instead of just a bright even light like on most RGB fans. Also, I find all these gimmicks they come up with lately on RGB fans disgusting, like placing LEDs on the case of the fans in weird shapes. Too much RGB and in places that don't make sense is putting me off. But I guess this is what kids like nowadays.
Damn, they look cool, but would only fit a specific build or you would have to plan out a build around them. The one thing I didn't expect is that they are actually cheaper than I thought.
Perhaps unrelated but something I hate about L connect on the 13900k specifically is the CPU temperature source, I have no clue what it takes for reference, but my AIO fans are spinning up and down constantly at idle.. and in this video I can see the temps jump from 40 to 50
@@agoogleuser7899 This is an interesting observation... but it's wrong. I think L connect takes core 0 as reference or something along those lines because HW info tells me much different stuff. Anyways, I wound up unplugging the fans from the AIO's integrated controller and just running them off my fan hub instead
Yes, pity, thought the same, have 3 of this arctic fans, great performance, have them in a lian li case and even need to reduce their speeds in compare to the other default case fans from lian li, so the airflow is correct. Although i need to say, the new lian li fans look amazing, but for me not worth it for the price.
While the speed is greater at the tip the shape of the blade matters more. How the blade contacts the air is not the only variable that determines the fans noise level. If you look at the length of the front edge of the white blade it looks longer than the clear blade. That must be deliberate and must have some impact on the air - be it cfm, pressure or noise.
The coolest take Ive seen on fans giving some PC info is over at Daves Garage, using NightDriverLED to make "Hues dance in sync with the thermal heartbeat of the CPU"
Only thing you can’t test is lifespan and I guess these fans you tested will have a huge difference. The screen one is hilarious. 😂 Because if it failed like other consumer/gamer level sleeves fan, you would throw away a lot more e-waste in about 2 years(my guess). Then it will be impossible to find the exact replacement. The most funny part is it can be avoided by putting the screen as a separate object.
Anybody else remember the Sharkoon Rainbow Fan TC? I still have mine, projecting the temperature on the fan blades themselves as it spins is still so much cooler than a screen.
They look fantastic but not sure what use case would be other than a Lian Li O11D as the fans will be facing straight ahead on the rear mount which would also be exhusting air when the rear mount should be intake ( i think ? )
Get the reverse flow versions instead.... yup that's a thing, and in both sizes this time. Though there will be a very slight drop off in performance compared to the normal flow. Could put them in the bottom of the Phanteks NV7 case that has them angled slightly?
I have a full set of the noiseblocker 140mm fans. Not too bad a fan to be honest, I have 7 fans in a cosmos 700M case. I did notice that they don't seem to like being mounted up on the top inside the case. There are some speeds where they make minor rattles. I actually sent 1 back to my PCstore because i though it was faulty. However now I don't think they are
Thanks Roman for awesome work! But... I miss those good old days when Lian Li made aluminium cases like PC-V1000L, PC-Q34RD, PC-V360, PC-800, PC-1020 and so on - not like these RGB-dumpster fillers called "fans".
just like to know where you mount the fans under normal considerations - at the top & the LCD points down and is hard to see, at the front and the LCD is again hard to see and that leaves one at the back. There are cases than have mountings at the front side and base but then the fans are starting to dictate the case you get while the LCDs should in theory be an addition to getting the correct thermals in the best case
I do like seeing Lian Li spanking Corsair in the performance and bling department. Shows that there's no need to compromise performance for aesthetics. Corsair loves these big edge band LEDs, and they're sacrificing the most performant area of the rotor for it. Blinging up the center where the blades do the least is smarter.
50 dollars for a fan is just insane. I doubt it will really sell. Arctic Cooling has FIVE of high quality 140mm fans sold for $41. Great value proposition. These sell for $150 for three 😂
so many concerns with this product. a fan grill with an LCD would have been way smarter. if the fan dies you lose the LCD. you also cant put these fans as intake.
Are you sure that the Lian Li fan is moving air in the same direction as the other fans??? When JayzTwoCents covered these fans he brought up that they have reversible blades because you aren't going to flip the fan around and cover up the LCD's..... I only mention this because I would expect the fans to perform WORSE because the center hub is bigger and that gives makes the blades smaller and have less surface area. So I thought maybe they might be pulling all through the radiator where as the other fans pushed.... I know I am most likely wrong about all of this, but I figured I would bring it up anyway. :)
Arctic fans are unbeatable for the price. Noise to cooling is a a make or break metric and when you run higher rpms they stay much quieter as well. I have a wall mounted case next to my head and an open back headset, yes an idiot for quality and not practicality. Arctic fans are the only fans to give excellent cooling while keeping the dbs just under interrupting my headphones. Something Corsair & Be Quiet, ironically named, cannot do.
They push considerably less air for a given RPM than many of their competitors tho. (including some of their own range) They're optimizing for simple, robust and manufacturable designs and pumping up those huge sweeping blades with bigger motors. Something more hyper-optimized like a Noctua will perform better per RPM by a lot. But in the end it's just about the noise vs airflow and Arctic is no slouch apart from the odd motor or bearing noise at particularly low speeds.
Great video, would have loved to see tested others fans like Noctua NF-A12X25, Artic Cooling P12, be quiet! Silent Wings Pro4. Maybe there is room for a v2 of this video, i bet a lot would love to see you test more fans vs the lian li.
Interestin how super cheap fans are becoming popular at the same time these high end cosmetic fans are coming out. I'm not lying when I say I can buy over a dozen normal fans vs this, I guess people have more money then they know what to do with
Did you get chance to see how much difference there is for the reverse flow version of the 140mm and both of the 120mm versions? Haven't seen anyone else that I trust reviewing these fans yet. if their site info is correct there's also a pretty big difference between LCD and non LCD versions... Makes me think more about which to get.
looking at that fan, the hub looks larger than non LCD versions. I wish they make 28-30mm thick with good performance and no rgb. Seems rgb is the priority right now.
Yup. The P28 is IMHO the best 120 mm fan on the market right now. But of you want the same at 140 mm you are still screwed. These bling machines aren't what I want.
We need OLed 500HZ with HDR 2000+ displays on Fans, on Fan Screws as well and call them - BrandName - Ultra Pro FTW+ (FTW = For The Wankers). Then price them 1000 Euro+ ( power supply not included) 😂😂🎉😂😂 oh shit don't forget to put some wierd connectors 😅
they do look sort-of okay, but I also generally like my fans to be less expensive than my CPU or GPU. You know what else can display my temps? Any one of like a dozen FREE apps, MSI Afterburner being my current go-to since I'm using it regardless
Imagine having to look over across your desk, peek into your case, just to read a CPU temperature for that split second. It's such a stupid design. But, people will buy it, because people will buy anything Lian Li launches.
They look awesome just price of Lian Li fans is way too much, for my Caselabs M8 with pedestal I would need 40 fans and £43.99 per fan 😮 I think they came first with Pogo pins on Lian Li fans which I only commend on that Noiseblocker fans I have used these fans on my loops and they are great fans although as you pointed out Roman they are on louder fan side, I think its down to fan blade design? Could you test them in push pull or push or pull only configuration if they fans gets louder? Or with 5mm spacers? Great review Roman
Someone needs to make one those nice looking lcds that we can just glue to the outside of the case, passing the internal USB cable to a thru simple drilled hole that the LCD itself hides.
Where are you measuring the room temperature? It should be connected to a decent thermal mass, thermocouples are quite unreliable when measuring 'floating' in open air. This is especially important with it being your reference point.
@@der8auer-en Good reason to not take a huge block of metal, but you still shouldn't simply put it in open air. The thermocouple is much too senstivive to small changes, leading to errors if you do something a simple as moving some stuff around which slightly changes the airflow in the room. Which especially in a small room can happen easily
oh god the software reminds me of Gigabyte control center... That also has weird "phantom" bugs that make devices disappear, lose config, reset, etc. edit: oh so it was the controller...
I would have liked to have seen what a JPG or MP4 looked like on those screens, purely out of curiosity and given that the drop down had them as options!
Not to attack the mythology but I'd think a test controlled for either sound, or energy use would be more appropriate than a set speed. Maybe all the fans have the same sound profile and flow to speed factor but... Nah I'm just being picky, I doubt that would have any impact given the same size of fans.
That is why I always choose fans without separate controllers. They are garbage. I still have somewhere Corsair maglev or whatever they are called. They were loud and worthless. I recommend noctua, some noisblockers and phantex d30 (tested in this video) they are inaudible below 400 rpm. Plus low density radiators and you are good to go.
Just looking for better static pressure fans for my water cooled system But my case will not allow these thicker fans Running older Lian Li AL120s and I'm very happy
The question is how often you check reading temp on fan LCD, CPU pump LCD, power supply LCD? Even if you have window in case, and PC on desk how many times you look at it in game? And this pulsing rinbow RGB lights on everything on PC is distracting when play games. Yes for Showcase PC is looking good. But when you try to concentrate on game the PC rainbow lights and noise near to the head is so distracting. I like quick connecting daisy chain fan but prefere no light options.
What happened to the Phanteks D30 in the chart? You measured a dT of 12.2C and you reported 20.1C. It obviously obtains the best result since it's 30mm thick compared to the other 25mm fans.
I think that was without the fan and probably in between measurements where CPU wasn’t running - the fan isn’t connected to the rad in the background of that sensor measurement
Did I miss the disclaimer of how much derBauer and Lian Li work together, thereby results have to be verified by an independent party? 1:35 "Theoretically high cooling performance" should really be "high cooling potential [with high pressure fans]". 11:47 "if you come across this problem, just plug the fans into 2,3&4" ... yea, no, the correct advice is "put an RMA request in with Lian Li, because you have a faulty controller like I do, this is a known problem currently and they should replace it with an updated version". EDIT: Reading comments, Lian Li saying port 1 doesn't support LCD fans, which is just dumb IMO. I may have missed it, but I don't think it was mentioned whether the display can be rotated. I can see an icon in the software that suggests it can, but that would be pretty critical. [Somewhat kidding] Not sure how much the performance of these fans actually matters, as I can see 99.999% of people who get them, putting them behind glass panels where they're unable to access air anyway (except for a bunch of Lian Li cases 😆)
DerBauer gave good information with a fair and balanced delivery. Each controller can only provide power enough for 6 (or 7) LED fans anyhow, so it doesn't need 4 ports that support LED fans. The controller allows more power to be drawn than any of their previous controllers, and, AFAIK, any competitor's current controller. The screens can be rotated 360°, 90° at a time.
@@ThomMurphy Irrelevant, there's a perceived conflict of interest and therefore it should be disclosed. That would be fine, if it was labelled differently, the first port is usually the strongest port, not the weakest. Dunno why you're saying here that it can be rotated, when my point is that it should be included in the video, given the importance for pretty much any use that's not form over function.
@@ChrispyNut maybe if you perceive a conflict of interest, you should check your comprehension. He mostly delivered facts, and the opinions of the LCD fans were critical of Lian Li. The information about the first port not supporting LCD fans was disclosed before these ever reached the hands of a normal consumer. Also, during installation, you're instructed to update the software (and device firmware), and then clear guidance is provided regarding port 1. That's in addition to their product page and user manual indicating likewise. This video was recorded pre-release, even as the video itself is being released shortly after the product. I might also need to check my comprehension, or maybe you your communication, because I thought, regarding the screen rotation, that you were being critical of it (potentially) not being included. It now seems you were, rather, being critical of the video, not mentioning it. To me, this video was focused on performance, more than other things. I mean, it's not as if it covered any of the RGB settings or options or even much about the software at all. If someone wanted to know how these fans perform relative to other popular and somewhat similar fans, I don't think they could (currently) find a better video on TH-cam. Do you? If not, then, I think it served its purpose well and without the need of any disclaimer.
@@ThomMurphy I'm not going to back and forth with you, it's gonna take far more time than it's worth and will still end up with things we disagree about (let alone other things that crop up during the tit for tatting). Best wishes for the new year, whenever that may arrive for you.
I’ll stick to my Thermalright 120mm ARGB fans that are ~$13 for a pack of 3 since I don’t need 140mm, but these are pretty cool when the software works out
I like the idea of sensor panels. I even like the idea of the sensor panel existing on something already in your system and not taking up a port on my GPU. But what I don't like is that this is going to be as bad as RGB as people copy this. Everyone with their own software to control their own LCDs...More proprietary software slowing down my PC. YAY!
As a tech enthusiast, I think Lian-Li might just have my money again. Dang these fans are sweet! I never thought I'd want something like this, but sheesh. God-dang. der8auer talking/in the background + Lian-Li fans in the foreground...just perfect.
This RGB stuff is getting ridiculous. At some point we'll have freaking fans sold with a 'controller' which pretty much consists of a mini PC running an entire OS just to control lights, displays etc.
Well, no need for some RPi micro computer to set up this. It's already possible to pilot ARGB leds and a small LCD/OLED screen like that with a 20 years old 8bit microcontroller (that's probably the kind of low tech embedded inside each fan). For the quite large daisy chaining feature, pretty sure those hubs just use standard 32bit microcontrollers to pass through the data as some I2C to USB bridge. Nothing complicated here.
here 9 month later to tell you that each TL LCD fan takes out 3% utilization off of my CPU so if you buy the 3 fan kit thats almost 10% CPU utilization at idle, meanwhile the lian li GA II sensor doesnt do more than 1% utilization...i wish someone would tell them to fix this issue; otherwise i agree 100% they are not only aesthetically the best but also have great performance and can be super quiet at 900 rmp
@@RonnieMcNutt666 If putting just a bit of aluminium on stuff increased cooling performance, everyone would have tiny AliExpress heatsinks on their fans, AIOs, GPUs and so on. It'll make 0,00000001% difference.
I had a controller for a uni fan (3x fan kit). It lasted 3 months then totally failed. Doesn't work at all, but is detected by USB. Seems Lian Li still hasn't learned how to make a controller that works, nor how to make software properly. I long ago gave up trying to use their controller, i just use the mainboard for both the fans and RGB.
Did lian li say anything about their AIO as i have the galahad 2 lcd but my LCD does the same things your fans did where they keep disconnecting. Only thing is my AIO isnt running through a controller its direct on the motherboard ?
Do you know if you can run the coolant temp on the screen? I am thinking of getting 3 of the fans and displaying CPU, GPU and coolant temp on the fans. I have a coolant temp sensor for my custom loop, connected to the 2 pin port on my ASUS B550F, but I don't see the external sensor being available for displaying in the fan app
![[#2024MAMA] ROSÉ (로제), Bruno Mars - APT. | Mnet 241122 방송](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dgGqD28J6aQ/mqdefault.jpg)
The controller wasn’t fixed for retail. Lian-Li just put a note on their website to not use port 1:
Each port supports a maximum of 10 TL fans or 3 TL LCD fans
Note: The 1st port doesn’t support TL LCD.
wow really? wtf have to check that
Bet the price didn’t change tho 🤣
can't even release a friggen pc case fan without a cyberpunk fail at launch
Also, 6 (or 7) LCD screens, max, per controller. So, losing port 1 for LCD screens doesn't mean losing any capability aside from, simply not being able to use that particular port for LCD fans.
Lian Li software is just bad.
After years, it's still years behind.
It's a shame cause the hw is great..but the software is always beta version, if not alpha.
(I have AL fans with Connect 2)
Nooo, not yet another piece of garbage software running in the background 😞
Why do you think I run an 8 core cpu and 64Gb RAM? ;-)
@@Bratfalkenwhy not just cut out all the BS to begin with.
@@Bratfalken "only 8 cores? Damn" -person in 2024
How bad is your computer that losing 2 fps in game is make or break
You’re right about it being garbage software. However it’s also about what that software calls home with disguised as telemetry. Not to mention vulnerabilities!
This is why I use OpenRGB to control my devices.
Thank you Hetzner for supporting this channel, you have good taste in creators.
From my time in the turbomachinery industry, the term for the speed of the outer diameter (tip) of the blades is "tip speed."
Excellent video! Thank you.
that's also my nickname
I wanted to mention this, but I'll just agree with you! In aircraft and machine trades, we used tip speed as well.
@@geort45My mind goes to dollar bills getting tossed in the club!
In dynamics/mechanics we always called it the tangential velocity
Just noticed your measuring in kelvin but displaying the results in centigrade
for example at the 6:44 mark the corsair result should be 295.2 degrees kelvin not 22.2
/pedant mode off
I've never cared for a PC aesthetics no RGB, matching colors, glass panels just pure performance for the money so I'll stick with Arctics but needless to say if I was into it, these fans are so frickin cool.
exactly. I don't have any need to turn my pc into a disco ball. It seems to me some people spend a lot of time making their system look special. then they compare it online. And maybe run benchmarks and compare. And then never really ending up doing much on their pc. Its like someone pimps their car. only to show it off on meetings. But only uses it to get groceries sometimes. I don't want to shit on their parade. But it does feel a bit wrong somehow. give me a clean looking pc that mostly just does what it needs to do.
I'm also Arctic "fan". No RGB, decent performance*, and for a pack of 5 fans, you don't have to sell a house.
*Arctic Liquid Freezer II is, according to GN, one of the best performing AIO, which I bought before they reviewed it. And it was just 100 EUR. Insane value.
@@MrMastadox That's the beautiful part about PC building. They aren't doing it wrong, and neither are you. Wanna build your PC in a cardboard box? Go for it. Wanna submerge it in a mineral oil bath? Go right ahead. No lights? Black it out like New York City, 1977. All the lights? That's groovy baby. I understand not liking the aesthetic, but how does it affect you otherwise other than making you sound like a grumpy old man?
@@MrMastadox the game is pimping up the PC, not playing the games on it
@@MrMastadox it's basically playing barbie dolls but for men. Girls pimp dolls, men pimp cars and PCs and bikes and whatever. Same thing
These Christmas days,I was going to "upgrade" my son's pc with the 3rd generation LianLi fans (from the 2nd He already has) along with a good cleaning etc.. And....Stopped.. I'll wait for the upgraded new version...For peace of mind (as it was untill now..) Very nice and productive fans though...Generally in this business, it is very difficult to be at the top all the time...Sometime another one will take the First position... Anyway, I wish you all a very Happy New Year.. Grüße aus Neuss Deutschland
This shape of fan (duct) in general is incredibly powerful as well, this effect can give large temperature benefit, very easy cheap way to get better temp, ducts of some variety
Would be awesome if LCD sensor display supported water temperature
My favorite fan of all time is the Evercool AL12025B. One of the only full metal body fans I'm aware of. I have one that's been spinning constantly for like 15 years. I think they have the best looking shrouds- like CNC aluminum. They should get more love.
Thanks for the video.
As a graphics dork it's weird and eye-catching in a bad way that the dark blue ring on the Lian Li LCD displays appears to have chroma subsampling artifacts on the edges, like they're sending a low quality JPEG file to the fan for the screens. I thought it was a youtube artifact at first but it seems like it's actually there on the fan displays, and it makes me wonder what Lian Li is doing with these things. On the other hand I'd normally be sitting far enough from my PC case that I probably wouldn't notice it in practice...
where? can you put a time mark here in the video?
The displays, especially when displaying stats, look really great! But i wish there were NON-RGB versions as well (just plain black fans and blades but with that display), and i also wish the Lian Li Software was actually better.
Well technically, you could just disable the RGB in the software though...
I spent time on my system hiding all the fans. Its so clean
JTC did review them too, but to be honest, I would never buy fans for that kind of look, except for the (A)RGB LED ones, that light up your case. Besides, if you mount them on the front side of your case, you can hardly see them. Or on top of your case, the same. If you van mount them on the under side, you have full view of the LCD.
I expect the primary use case is the Lian-Li 011 type case where they use the front-side vertical mounts. That's the only one that comes to mind where these would actually be good, other than external radiator builds (at that point, may aswell use dedicated screen).
Yeah, i'd use 1 as an exhaust fan maybe.
Those are really interesting fans albeit expensive, will you test the non LCD variant also? On the spec sheet the dimensions are the same but while the LCD fan claims 68.1 CFM / 3.5 mmH2O the regular one states 103.9 CFM / 2.34 mmH2O (but it's also faster at 1800 rpm Vs 1600 rpm)
I would also be interested to know where are the extra 4 mm listed in the dimensions (they say 144x140x28). Is that the infinity mirror or are the protruding lock pieces?
@upspiral89 the removable locking tabs (and cable locking mechanism) account for the extra millimeters, not the mirror.
There's also reverse flow versions of both LCD and non LCD Lian Li fans, I'd love to see those tested too.
Fans are getting cool too. Will have to wait for my new build hopefully with Nova lake or Panther lake
I have a Super Lanboy and it's missing the front grill. When i bought it, i was thinking of 3D printing the grill. Then, i figured out it's probably ~140mm and maybe i should put a 140mm fan with a 120mm adapter to the front of the case. I'll figure something out...
1:22 THIS is an amazing looking RGB. Not the today's over brightened fans that can blind you if you keep staring at them. I really love this aesthetic and how discreet it is, it's very pleasant to look at.
Nah, this looks quite ugly ngl.
The RGB isn't evenly diffused.
Again, it's all a preference, but liking this one over the others is quite weird.
@@Appri that's what I like about it, that you can see the shape of the blades a bit while they're spinning, instead of just a bright even light like on most RGB fans. Also, I find all these gimmicks they come up with lately on RGB fans disgusting, like placing LEDs on the case of the fans in weird shapes. Too much RGB and in places that don't make sense is putting me off. But I guess this is what kids like nowadays.
Damn, they look cool, but would only fit a specific build or you would have to plan out a build around them. The one thing I didn't expect is that they are actually cheaper than I thought.
Perhaps unrelated but something I hate about L connect on the 13900k specifically is the CPU temperature source, I have no clue what it takes for reference, but my AIO fans are spinning up and down constantly at idle.. and in this video I can see the temps jump from 40 to 50
This is annoying indeed, would be awesome to support water temp
L connect gives computer data readings, and what you describe seems to be an AIO issue with coolant, blocked CPU find, or faulty fans.
@@agoogleuser7899 This is an interesting observation... but it's wrong. I think L connect takes core 0 as reference or something along those lines because HW info tells me much different stuff. Anyways, I wound up unplugging the fans from the AIO's integrated controller and just running them off my fan hub instead
Shame Roman didn't mention the price. Arctic 18€, D30 - 35, lian li - over 60. Arctic destroyed competition again.
Yes, pity, thought the same, have 3 of this arctic fans, great performance, have them in a lian li case and even need to reduce their speeds in compare to the other default case fans from lian li, so the airflow is correct. Although i need to say, the new lian li fans look amazing, but for me not worth it for the price.
While the speed is greater at the tip the shape of the blade matters more. How the blade contacts the air is not the only variable that determines the fans noise level. If you look at the length of the front edge of the white blade it looks longer than the clear blade. That must be deliberate and must have some impact on the air - be it cfm, pressure or noise.
The coolest take Ive seen on fans giving some PC info is over at Daves Garage, using NightDriverLED to make "Hues dance in sync with the thermal heartbeat of the CPU"
One of the most expensive too.
Also, my eyes were not happy with that Yellow and Blue graph color scheme, something to consider.
Displays in usually downwards facing fans? Awesome.
Depends on the case. For the Dynamic series there are side mounted fans which these work perfectly for.
Only thing you can’t test is lifespan and I guess these fans you tested will have a huge difference. The screen one is hilarious. 😂 Because if it failed like other consumer/gamer level sleeves fan, you would throw away a lot more e-waste in about 2 years(my guess). Then it will be impossible to find the exact replacement.
The most funny part is it can be avoided by putting the screen as a separate object.
We might have a contender for most unnecessary expenditure for a pc build 😮
Anybody else remember the Sharkoon Rainbow Fan TC? I still have mine, projecting the temperature on the fan blades themselves as it spins is still so much cooler than a screen.
But..... do they come in White? If they do then I agree, neatest fans ever! I really like all White since it reflects the RGB so well.
Yes... and in reverse flow in both sizes too. I'm eyeballing these once I start to build.
Add these to the cat build and put pictures of the cats on the fans
They look fantastic but not sure what use case would be other than a Lian Li O11D as the fans will be facing straight ahead on the rear mount which would also be exhusting air when the rear mount should be intake ( i think ? )
Get the reverse flow versions instead.... yup that's a thing, and in both sizes this time. Though there will be a very slight drop off in performance compared to the normal flow. Could put them in the bottom of the Phanteks NV7 case that has them angled slightly?
I have a full set of the noiseblocker 140mm fans. Not too bad a fan to be honest, I have 7 fans in a cosmos 700M case. I did notice that they don't seem to like being mounted up on the top inside the case. There are some speeds where they make minor rattles. I actually sent 1 back to my PCstore because i though it was faulty. However now I don't think they are
It does say on the website (i read this it on day 1 of release) that port 1 does not support LCD fans, it's for up to 10 regular TL fans only
Thanks Roman for awesome work!
But... I miss those good old days when Lian Li made aluminium cases like PC-V1000L, PC-Q34RD, PC-V360, PC-800, PC-1020 and so on - not like these RGB-dumpster fillers called "fans".
just like to know where you mount the fans under normal considerations - at the top & the LCD points down and is hard to see, at the front and the LCD is again hard to see and that leaves one at the back. There are cases than have mountings at the front side and base but then the fans are starting to dictate the case you get while the LCDs should in theory be an addition to getting the correct thermals in the best case
I need these fans sitting on the front of the Antec Cannon case.
Will look so good
This is one of those products where its cool and I like the concept. I'd just never buy it. After years of fighting various RGB software, I gave up.
Will they actually be in stock though, that is the real question!
I do like seeing Lian Li spanking Corsair in the performance and bling department.
Shows that there's no need to compromise performance for aesthetics.
Corsair loves these big edge band LEDs, and they're sacrificing the most performant area of the rotor for it. Blinging up the center where the blades do the least is smarter.
50 dollars for a fan is just insane. I doubt it will really sell.
Arctic Cooling has FIVE of high quality 140mm fans sold for $41. Great value proposition. These sell for $150 for three 😂
Yea that is hilarious when a person can buy a 10lb 120w blower for the same price , very dumb
These will sell well as many PC builders pick aesthetics over performance.
These fans really blew me away
literally! I am a fan!
fantastic
As an enthusiast, should also tested the TL fans (none LCD). Specs suggest they should perform better than the TL LCD fans.
I’m not so sure.. they have much higher CFM but much lower pressure.. could be a wash
I pass on a lot of hardware these days due to glitchy software. These will be another. I personally can't wait for the next gen Noctua fans.
so many concerns with this product. a fan grill with an LCD would have been way smarter. if the fan dies you lose the LCD. you also cant put these fans as intake.
You can, but need the reverse (and less performant) version
Are you sure that the Lian Li fan is moving air in the same direction as the other fans??? When JayzTwoCents covered these fans he brought up that they have reversible blades because you aren't going to flip the fan around and cover up the LCD's.....
I only mention this because I would expect the fans to perform WORSE because the center hub is bigger and that gives makes the blades smaller and have less surface area. So I thought maybe they might be pulling all through the radiator where as the other fans pushed....
I know I am most likely wrong about all of this, but I figured I would bring it up anyway. :)
super nice fans. would have been a little extra plus if they added a temp sensor on the fan for individual intake/exhaust readouts
Arctic fans are unbeatable for the price. Noise to cooling is a a make or break metric and when you run higher rpms they stay much quieter as well. I have a wall mounted case next to my head and an open back headset, yes an idiot for quality and not practicality. Arctic fans are the only fans to give excellent cooling while keeping the dbs just under interrupting my headphones. Something Corsair & Be Quiet, ironically named, cannot do.
rocking 10 argb Arctic ones and can confirm. Best vfm fans out there
They push considerably less air for a given RPM than many of their competitors tho. (including some of their own range)
They're optimizing for simple, robust and manufacturable designs and pumping up those huge sweeping blades with bigger motors.
Something more hyper-optimized like a Noctua will perform better per RPM by a lot.
But in the end it's just about the noise vs airflow and Arctic is no slouch apart from the odd motor or bearing noise at particularly low speeds.
Great video, would have loved to see tested others fans like Noctua NF-A12X25, Artic Cooling P12, be quiet! Silent Wings Pro4. Maybe there is room for a v2 of this video, i bet a lot would love to see you test more fans vs the lian li.
Interestin how super cheap fans are becoming popular at the same time these high end cosmetic fans are coming out. I'm not lying when I say I can buy over a dozen normal fans vs this, I guess people have more money then they know what to do with
Did you get chance to see how much difference there is for the reverse flow version of the 140mm and both of the 120mm versions? Haven't seen anyone else that I trust reviewing these fans yet. if their site info is correct there's also a pretty big difference between LCD and non LCD versions... Makes me think more about which to get.
looking at that fan, the hub looks larger than non LCD versions. I wish they make 28-30mm thick with good performance and no rgb. Seems rgb is the priority right now.
The p28 is like ten dollars a fan cheaper and has no RGB, is 28mm thick, and is a high performance fan. It doesn't have the screens though.
Yup. The P28 is IMHO the best 120 mm fan on the market right now.
But of you want the same at 140 mm you are still screwed. These bling machines aren't what I want.
We need OLed 500HZ with HDR 2000+ displays on Fans, on Fan Screws as well and call them - BrandName - Ultra Pro FTW+ (FTW = For The Wankers). Then price them 1000 Euro+ ( power supply not included) 😂😂🎉😂😂 oh shit don't forget to put some wierd connectors 😅
they do look sort-of okay, but I also generally like my fans to be less expensive than my CPU or GPU. You know what else can display my temps? Any one of like a dozen FREE apps, MSI Afterburner being my current go-to since I'm using it regardless
Exactly, paying $50+ for a single case fan is absurd no matter how much unicorn vomit they slap on. Fans have one job: keep components cool.
Imagine having to look over across your desk, peek into your case, just to read a CPU temperature for that split second.
It's such a stupid design. But, people will buy it, because people will buy anything Lian Li launches.
How do these perform compared to the SL 120mm-INF fans in both normal and reverse-blade models?
They look awesome just price of Lian Li fans is way too much, for my Caselabs M8 with pedestal I would need 40 fans and £43.99 per fan 😮
I think they came first with Pogo pins on Lian Li fans which I only commend on that
Noiseblocker fans I have used these fans on my loops and they are great fans although as you pointed out Roman they are on louder fan side, I think its down to fan blade design? Could you test them in push pull or push or pull only configuration if they fans gets louder? Or with 5mm spacers?
Great review Roman
Someone needs to make one those nice looking lcds that we can just glue to the outside of the case, passing the internal USB cable to a thru simple drilled hole that the LCD itself hides.
Everyday we get closer and closer to RL Cyberpunk 🤙🏻
Thats a good advise,as i have just bought them and will be instaling them soon ;)
Where are you measuring the room temperature? It should be connected to a decent thermal mass, thermocouples are quite unreliable when measuring 'floating' in open air. This is especially important with it being your reference point.
my room is rather small. So if it heats up during the test the thermal mass would influence that
@@der8auer-en Good reason to not take a huge block of metal, but you still shouldn't simply put it in open air. The thermocouple is much too senstivive to small changes, leading to errors if you do something a simple as moving some stuff around which slightly changes the airflow in the room. Which especially in a small room can happen easily
oh god the software reminds me of Gigabyte control center... That also has weird "phantom" bugs that make devices disappear, lose config, reset, etc.
edit: oh so it was the controller...
I would have liked to have seen what a JPG or MP4 looked like on those screens, purely out of curiosity and given that the drop down had them as options!
Thanks for taking my advice on noise equalizing these (somewhat) as a user it makes the results so much more useful! :)
He didn't take your advice bud what kind of narcissistic thought process is this😂
nothing narcissistic about it @@AndrewB23
Not to attack the mythology but I'd think a test controlled for either sound, or energy use would be more appropriate than a set speed. Maybe all the fans have the same sound profile and flow to speed factor but...
Nah I'm just being picky, I doubt that would have any impact given the same size of fans.
They ironically look super good without rgb on
That is why I always choose fans without separate controllers. They are garbage. I still have somewhere Corsair maglev or whatever they are called. They were loud and worthless. I recommend noctua, some noisblockers and phantex d30 (tested in this video) they are inaudible below 400 rpm. Plus low density radiators and you are good to go.
Lian Li makes awesome hardware, but their software disappointments, I've had endless problems with the L-connect stuff.
Did you notice that the specs of the Arctic RGB fans are lower than those of their standard fans while spinning faster.
Just looking for better static pressure fans for my water cooled system
But my case will not allow these thicker fans
Running older Lian Li AL120s and I'm very happy
The question is how often you check reading temp on fan LCD, CPU pump LCD, power supply LCD? Even if you have window in case, and PC on desk how many times you look at it in game?
And this pulsing rinbow RGB lights on everything on PC is distracting when play games.
Yes for Showcase PC is looking good. But when you try to concentrate on game the PC rainbow lights and noise near to the head is so distracting.
I like quick connecting daisy chain fan but prefere no light options.
What happened to the Phanteks D30 in the chart? You measured a dT of 12.2C and you reported 20.1C.
It obviously obtains the best result since it's 30mm thick compared to the other 25mm fans.
I think that was without the fan and probably in between measurements where CPU wasn’t running - the fan isn’t connected to the rad in the background of that sensor measurement
Did I miss the disclaimer of how much derBauer and Lian Li work together, thereby results have to be verified by an independent party?
1:35 "Theoretically high cooling performance" should really be "high cooling potential [with high pressure fans]".
11:47 "if you come across this problem, just plug the fans into 2,3&4" ... yea, no, the correct advice is "put an RMA request in with Lian Li, because you have a faulty controller like I do, this is a known problem currently and they should replace it with an updated version". EDIT: Reading comments, Lian Li saying port 1 doesn't support LCD fans, which is just dumb IMO.
I may have missed it, but I don't think it was mentioned whether the display can be rotated. I can see an icon in the software that suggests it can, but that would be pretty critical.
[Somewhat kidding] Not sure how much the performance of these fans actually matters, as I can see 99.999% of people who get them, putting them behind glass panels where they're unable to access air anyway (except for a bunch of Lian Li cases 😆)
DerBauer gave good information with a fair and balanced delivery.
Each controller can only provide power enough for 6 (or 7) LED fans anyhow, so it doesn't need 4 ports that support LED fans. The controller allows more power to be drawn than any of their previous controllers, and, AFAIK, any competitor's current controller.
The screens can be rotated 360°, 90° at a time.
@@ThomMurphy Irrelevant, there's a perceived conflict of interest and therefore it should be disclosed.
That would be fine, if it was labelled differently, the first port is usually the strongest port, not the weakest.
Dunno why you're saying here that it can be rotated, when my point is that it should be included in the video, given the importance for pretty much any use that's not form over function.
@@ChrispyNut maybe if you perceive a conflict of interest, you should check your comprehension. He mostly delivered facts, and the opinions of the LCD fans were critical of Lian Li.
The information about the first port not supporting LCD fans was disclosed before these ever reached the hands of a normal consumer. Also, during installation, you're instructed to update the software (and device firmware), and then clear guidance is provided regarding port 1. That's in addition to their product page and user manual indicating likewise.
This video was recorded pre-release, even as the video itself is being released shortly after the product.
I might also need to check my comprehension, or maybe you your communication, because I thought, regarding the screen rotation, that you were being critical of it (potentially) not being included. It now seems you were, rather, being critical of the video, not mentioning it.
To me, this video was focused on performance, more than other things. I mean, it's not as if it covered any of the RGB settings or options or even much about the software at all. If someone wanted to know how these fans perform relative to other popular and somewhat similar fans, I don't think they could (currently) find a better video on TH-cam. Do you? If not, then, I think it served its purpose well and without the need of any disclaimer.
@@ThomMurphy I'm not going to back and forth with you, it's gonna take far more time than it's worth and will still end up with things we disagree about (let alone other things that crop up during the tit for tatting).
Best wishes for the new year, whenever that may arrive for you.
@@ChrispyNut for enough, and likewise.
You meter reads in celcius, are you sure you're reading in Kelvin?
If Noctua Chromax fans did not exist I would have replaced all of my fans with these. Even elegant is an understatement.
I’ll stick to my Thermalright 120mm ARGB fans that are ~$13 for a pack of 3 since I don’t need 140mm, but these are pretty cool when the software works out
I like the idea of sensor panels. I even like the idea of the sensor panel existing on something already in your system and not taking up a port on my GPU. But what I don't like is that this is going to be as bad as RGB as people copy this. Everyone with their own software to control their own LCDs...More proprietary software slowing down my PC. YAY!
Hopefully, 3rd party softwares like OpenRGB or SignalRGB would cover this. The LCD panel might be a bit challenging to reverse engineer though.
This will look cool in a landfield in a few years.
Would love to see a comparison to non-rgb fans, like a best 120/140 shootout. Just raw noise to performance.
how can you make this work with a aquacomputer quadro or octo ?
you are saying kelvin for the temps but the thermo is celsius isn't it?
i'm just confused lol
been thinking this since the last video as well.
he talks about kelvin because it's interchangeable units for such a deltaT measurement (here the difference between ambiant and water temperature)
@@PainterVierax ohhhhhh I wasn't catching it like that at all
Roman you did not cover the most important aspect of them all, PRICE? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, expensive as HELL but was waiting for it.
I'll wait for igor to verify these results 😂
Always great info thank you
Would rather a holo display on the glass like a heads-up on a car. Still "we truly do live in the future".
Mine arrive tomorrow!
The word you're looking for is fan tip speed.
i bought the lian li uni infinity set, 6 for £200 only a few months back ...gutted now lol
Lots of air movement or pressure and little noise [ db ] + consumption [ MVA ], that is certainly the message
Why no mention on fan cost to performance ratio ??
As a tech enthusiast, I think Lian-Li might just have my money again. Dang these fans are sweet! I never thought I'd want something like this, but sheesh. God-dang. der8auer talking/in the background + Lian-Li fans in the foreground...just perfect.
This RGB stuff is getting ridiculous. At some point we'll have freaking fans sold with a 'controller' which pretty much consists of a mini PC running an entire OS just to control lights, displays etc.
Well, no need for some RPi micro computer to set up this. It's already possible to pilot ARGB leds and a small LCD/OLED screen like that with a 20 years old 8bit microcontroller (that's probably the kind of low tech embedded inside each fan).
For the quite large daisy chaining feature, pretty sure those hubs just use standard 32bit microcontrollers to pass through the data as some I2C to USB bridge.
Nothing complicated here.
I ordered 3 sets of the d30. Love them
here 9 month later to tell you that each TL LCD fan takes out 3% utilization off of my CPU so if you buy the 3 fan kit thats almost 10% CPU utilization at idle, meanwhile the lian li GA II sensor doesnt do more than 1% utilization...i wish someone would tell them to fix this issue; otherwise i agree 100% they are not only aesthetically the best but also have great performance and can be super quiet at 900 rmp
Lot of thermal mass and conductivity, and great shape, fan will definitely have excellent performance
0 thermal mass and 0 conductivity. This is a fan.
@@Mikkel111 yea I guess aluminum stops being conductive and having mass if it's on a fan shroud
@@RonnieMcNutt666 If putting just a bit of aluminium on stuff increased cooling performance, everyone would have tiny AliExpress heatsinks on their fans, AIOs, GPUs and so on. It'll make 0,00000001% difference.
I had a controller for a uni fan (3x fan kit). It lasted 3 months then totally failed. Doesn't work at all, but is detected by USB. Seems Lian Li still hasn't learned how to make a controller that works, nor how to make software properly. I long ago gave up trying to use their controller, i just use the mainboard for both the fans and RGB.
Did lian li say anything about their AIO as i have the galahad 2 lcd but my LCD does the same things your fans did where they keep disconnecting. Only thing is my AIO isnt running through a controller its direct on the motherboard ?
@der8auer is it the fan controlling program that is asking to be updated?
Do you know if you can run the coolant temp on the screen? I am thinking of getting 3 of the fans and displaying CPU, GPU and coolant temp on the fans. I have a coolant temp sensor for my custom loop, connected to the 2 pin port on my ASUS B550F, but I don't see the external sensor being available for displaying in the fan app
Impossible atm, it seems. This is also something of a general complaint about L-Connect, not just for LCD unfortunately
These fans in a o11 vision case, so hot
Switching between Celsius and kelvin really rubbed the wrong way.
Steve probably won't approve this sort of testing.