+Mike Hermes it's cool, but how to make a gothic cathedral. you know, these beauties: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Domchor_Prag.jpg/220px-Domchor_Prag.jpg I was able to do the Indian version (by accident), but never been able to do the gotgic one :/
Nice tutorial you clearly know what you doing, my only critique is 1) you don't have to have the initial cylinders have the subdivision as high of 30 - perhaps 16 would be better, it would lower your poly-count & it would make the rendering go a little faster 2) you should never overlap geometry unless you really have to
Hi Andrew, Like everyone I am learning every day, but to your comments. 1. Yes, agreed when modeling in a team workflow or for a game where low poly is needed. But in general it is good practice to try to keep the polycount down, agreed. 2. Agreed Thanks for the feedback, Mike
eminem7973 UV's are used to coordinate placement of 2D external texture files onto you modeled object in Maya. With overlapping UV's you will also have overlapping textures. It can also create problems in other area's when create maps, Mike
This was a GREAT tutorial! It was easy to follow and I managed to make exactly the same thing and even added to it further so thank you very much for taking the time to put it together.
+Mike Hermes having an odd issue with the lights now. Can't figure it out. They suddenly no longer render and they were working beautifully. Any ideas why it might suddenly stop rendering the lights?
+Mike Milo Try in your viewport to hit 6 and 7 on your keyboard to toggle light on and off. ( not actually off just in the viewport ) If the light works ok there it should render
Let's say you have done the entire environment by using your modeling method. How are you going to layout UVs on these objects? How are you going to make textures? Will there be any lighting and rendering issues? Is it alright to just interact each object like that?
river zhang Hi there, The intention of this tutorial is to explain methods that can be use when modeling architectural objects. Depending on what method of materials ( shader vs 2D external textures ) you would need to consider avoiding overlap of vertices ( that's a good practice anyway ) Lighting shouldn't be a problem but rendering and texturing could be. So like I said, if I were to model this for a game situation there would be a lot of additional / different steps I would go through to make sure the mesh would respond correctly. So again, this is merely a suggested methof of vertex manipulation. Mike
But its gone now. Ill just search your videos then for the tutorials. I have given you enough trouble from asking specific tutorials. Thank you for replying though.
Ryan Mulkin I know it wasn't for me ^^" but from listening to my professors it depends on a lot of factors; including length, LOD (lighting, polygon count, etc.), and finally most importantly how many comps ya got to render farm :p
+Charles Cortes I'd like to suggest looking into the Redshift rendering engine - you can totally avoid the huge render times if you opt for a GPU rendering engine. There are limitations, of course, but a year from now Nvidia will be releasing decently priced video cards with enough memory to allow you to render your own shorts of pretty decent quality. Look up Redshift, you'd be pleasantly surprised :P
Nice tutorial! Can I ask something? If you were to turn that on a game asset, would you just combine everything into a single object and make the retopo or separate it like columns, ceiling, etc and then retopo each of them?
Looks great, but seems like an immense waste of polys. I like booleening two rectangle splines together, edit poly, shift copy the top face hinge from, edge 180 degrees, 10 segments, bam detailed low poly archway that can be worked into a high poly model, unwarps wonderfully.
dude, i have done wat all u did in this tutorial. After seeing my output just like your output, i wish to do further work to this cathedral for my portfolio. So, if u have any other extension link for this or reference image, plz post it to me
Wow, really nice. Do you know how to do a Gothic window? I know how to design one but Maya must have some sort of maths and measuring functions that I don't know about. I did an extremely complex one by eye and you can just tell. Thanks.
Thanks ! Do you have an example picture of the Gothic window you are looking for ? Maybe I can make it work. Please email me at mh-tutorials@hotmail.com Checked the Pipes music on your YT channel by the way, love it ! Regards, Mike
Mike Hermes Mailed you. I didn't think anyone cared about my pipes music except the specific people I uploaded it for, and even then I don't they played it! Glad you enjoyed it. My Soundcloud is slightly more professional but there's only metal on it just now. I don't know, I just don't have the will to upload everything and market myself. soundcloud.com/masterof-unlocking/the-woman-that-went-to-hell Thanks for your help.
very nice video again, but when i am creating bend reformer and change the curvature, my polygon is not bending but a line appears and the shape of that line changes as i change the curvature. also my polygon pipe flattens and looks like a plane. is there something wrong with my Maya?
Que bien que nos proporcionen tan buen conocimiento, lastima que por la barrera del idioma se escapen tantos datos importantes. Pero de todas formas gracias hermano por tan buenos tutoriales, estan muy bien explicados y se puede hacer perfectamente el ejercicio. Saludos (y)
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Go visit the “PANGEAN ARCHAEOLOGY” youtube channel for a 3D Animation and detailed reconstruction of the Gothic Lusignan Cathedral of Cyprus under Frankish rule.
+Jean Marie Tan Hi Jean Marie, That depends heavily on the use. For a game or an animation you would model this very low poly and create the details via transfer of details via a high poly model or through textures. If it is intended as just a single render you would have a bit more freedom. So Low poly version maybe 10.000 for the entire building, high poly version a few million
Hey, I'm trying to make the archway, and encountered a problem when trying to extrude the faces. (I'm very new to Maya) It looks like I'm extruding the faces of the sides of the columns too even though they don't seem to be selected? imgur.com/iCN8vvK
Hi, I have done everything until rotation but when I select all the cylinders and try to rotate them, something doesn't add up. I think I have problems making it as a single object. I do edit->delete->history but it doesn't work like your maya(it doesn't make it as one object, the pipes still exist).here's screens of rotation. thx! imgur.com/m8R33M0 imgur.com/oahTsp0 Also, could you post the model somewhere for reference and link it here ? Thx!
Mike Hermes Oh thank you! I'm a total newb to maya and am doing this as my part in a project for college, we're making a few gargoyles take flight from a church rooftop. yours is the church ^^
Hi, I was just wondering about something. You see, for a University project i created a Gothic Cathedral but had trouble creating the ceiling: puu.sh/f7LKV/132c2912ef.jpg As shown in the link. The ceiling boggled my mind so bad haha xD I was wondering if you could give me tips on how to create something like that, as i will recreate my Cathedral (I wasn't pleased with the final outcome of the project) or if you'd do a tutorial covering more Gothic Architecture?
***** Hi DweenieeTodd, The way I do this is to create sets of multiple cylinders, combine them and then bend them with a bend deformer ( I did a tutorial on this, search for "church" ) Then when the ceiling structure is in place I model planes so they fit in the gaps to close the holes in the ceiling. Hope this helps, Mike
Mike Hermes If you could tell me the exact time that it happens in the Church tutorial or even possible send me in the direction of a tutorial that demonstrates clearly how to do it, that would be helpful cause i still can't bloody do this! xD
Mike Hermes I suppose this helps to get the basis of the ceiling started, some areas such as getting the curved area of the ceiling to the window is something i'll have to figure out but thankyou! A question i wanted to ask, i'm studying games design and of course want to get to the industry. The environments you make such as the Cathedral and Gladiator arena, are the game ready environments or purely art styled environments? They seem quite high poly to go into games but i could be wrong.
***** Hi there, These models are certainly NOT suitable for game environments. The poly count is way to high. Normally for a game asset you would get a budget of around 1500 poly count. In order to make this suitable you would have to transfer the detail from a high poly model to a low poly model via maps etc. Mike
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A Maya modeling tutorial on how to create a basic interior structure for a church or cathedral
+Mike Hermes it's cool, but how to make a gothic cathedral. you know, these beauties: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Domchor_Prag.jpg/220px-Domchor_Prag.jpg
I was able to do the Indian version (by accident), but never been able to do the gotgic one :/
Nice tutorial you clearly know what you doing, my only critique is
1) you don't have to have the initial cylinders have the subdivision as high of 30 - perhaps 16 would be better, it would lower your poly-count & it would make the rendering go a little faster
2) you should never overlap geometry unless you really have to
Hi Andrew,
Like everyone I am learning every day, but to your comments.
1. Yes, agreed when modeling in a team workflow or for a game where low poly is needed. But in general it is good practice to try to keep the polycount down, agreed.
2. Agreed
Thanks for the feedback,
Mike
Mike Hermes why is 2?
eminem7973 UV's are used to coordinate placement of 2D external texture files onto you modeled object in Maya. With overlapping UV's you will also have overlapping textures. It can also create problems in other area's when create maps,
Mike
I just wanna say I absolutely love your videos! They are a huge help :)
Thank you so much
This was a GREAT tutorial! It was easy to follow and I managed to make exactly the same thing and even added to it further so thank you very much for taking the time to put it together.
+Mike Milo Thanks Mike
+Mike Hermes having an odd issue with the lights now. Can't figure it out. They suddenly no longer render and they were working beautifully. Any ideas why it might suddenly stop rendering the lights?
+Mike Milo Try in your viewport to hit 6 and 7 on your keyboard to toggle light on and off. ( not actually off just in the viewport ) If the light works ok there it should render
Chester Cathedral?
Love watching your tutorials. Always learn a different approach in modeling for Maya!
+ImYuhAsian Thanks
Thank you, Mike! Very useful tutorial, as always :)
Let's say you have done the entire environment by using your modeling method. How are you going to layout UVs on these objects? How are you going to make textures? Will there be any lighting and rendering issues? Is it alright to just interact each object like that?
river zhang Hi there,
The intention of this tutorial is to explain methods that can be use when modeling architectural objects.
Depending on what method of materials ( shader vs 2D external textures ) you would need to consider avoiding overlap of vertices ( that's a good practice anyway ) Lighting shouldn't be a problem but rendering and texturing could be.
So like I said, if I were to model this for a game situation there would be a lot of additional / different steps I would go through to make sure the mesh would respond correctly.
So again, this is merely a suggested methof of vertex manipulation.
Mike
There is lots of overlapping is that okay because I going to put it in unreal engine
Thank you Mike.This is great tutorial..Thank you..
Thank you
Learnt a lot from ur tuts keep doing the good work :-)
Thank you
great , this tutorial learn me some technique and tool , thank you
No problem, you're welcome !
How to make arches with not so perfect half circles? Let's say more sharp ones?
Thanks for the Tutorial! was very helpful ;)
+Marc Niedermann You are very welcome
Great tutorial, thanks!
Thank you
What measurement are you using?
took me an hour to make a low(er) Poly out of that, but still looks great.
Would you make a tutorial on an in depth look on the lights of maya? Loving your channel.
Shit, ive mistakenly reported your comment. What am I gonna do?
Crimson Flab Hi Crimson, did you select a reason for the report ?
Mike
No, I didnt. It just disappeared after the misclick. I hate doing stuff on mobile.
Don't worry about it. If it becomes a problem I will let you know.
Mike
But its gone now. Ill just search your videos then for the tutorials. I have given you enough trouble from asking specific tutorials. Thank you for replying though.
Can you model ancient Hindu temples they look so beautiful
Im in school for game modeling and I think I know who I'm going to suggest when fello students are stuck :P. AWSOME TUTORIAL! THANKYOU!
Charles Cortes Thanks Charles, really appreciate that. Don't hesitate to ask when or if you get stuck
+Mike Hermes how long does it take to model a full lenth movie because i plan on doing the myself.
Ryan Mulkin I know it wasn't for me ^^" but from listening to my professors it depends on a lot of factors; including length, LOD (lighting, polygon count, etc.), and finally most importantly how many comps ya got to render farm :p
True
+Charles Cortes I'd like to suggest looking into the Redshift rendering engine - you can totally avoid the huge render times if you opt for a GPU rendering engine. There are limitations, of course, but a year from now Nvidia will be releasing decently priced video cards with enough memory to allow you to render your own shorts of pretty decent quality. Look up Redshift, you'd be pleasantly surprised :P
Nice tutorial! Can I ask something? If you were to turn that on a game asset, would you just combine everything into a single object and make the retopo or separate it like columns, ceiling, etc and then retopo each of them?
I would make mods or sections, import them into the game engine and combine or duplicate them there
Hi nice video like you're work :) for the boolean you need all quads and no overlap then will work just fine.
Have fun :)
Thanks Plamen
Looks great, but seems like an immense waste of polys. I like booleening two rectangle splines together, edit poly, shift copy the top face hinge from, edge 180 degrees, 10 segments, bam detailed low poly archway that can be worked into a high poly model, unwarps wonderfully.
+justin dulabahn However that's just in max, as tend to favor a nondestructive work flows.
I've tried to bend as the way shown in the video. but it doesn't work. What should I do?
+Sreeharshraj Baburajans There is no way I can identify the problem without seeing your actual mesh. As you have seen it worked in the video
very simple and easy
+ravi yadav Thank you
dude, i have done wat all u did in this tutorial.
After seeing my output just like your output, i wish to do further work to this cathedral for my portfolio.
So, if u have any other extension link for this or reference image, plz post it to me
+ravi yadav Hi Ravi, I really don't at this point but feel free to Google cathedral and add any type of detail you like
sure, i will try it.
Thankyou MIKE
Wow, really nice. Do you know how to do a Gothic window? I know how to design one but Maya must have some sort of maths and measuring functions that I don't know about. I did an extremely complex one by eye and you can just tell. Thanks.
Thanks ! Do you have an example picture of the Gothic window you are looking for ? Maybe I can make it work. Please email me at mh-tutorials@hotmail.com
Checked the Pipes music on your YT channel by the way, love it !
Regards,
Mike
Mike Hermes
Mailed you.
I didn't think anyone cared about my pipes music except the specific people I uploaded it for, and even then I don't they played it! Glad you enjoyed it. My Soundcloud is slightly more professional but there's only metal on it just now. I don't know, I just don't have the will to upload everything and market myself.
soundcloud.com/masterof-unlocking/the-woman-that-went-to-hell
Thanks for your help.
very nice video again,
but when i am creating bend reformer and change the curvature, my polygon is not bending but a line appears and the shape of that line changes as i change the curvature. also my polygon pipe flattens and looks like a plane. is there something wrong with my Maya?
+Ps Add more subdivisions to your object so it can bend. It needs geometry to be able to bend.
thank you
+Ps You are very welcome
Que bien que nos proporcionen tan buen conocimiento, lastima que por la barrera del idioma se escapen tantos datos importantes. Pero de todas formas gracias hermano por tan buenos tutoriales, estan muy bien explicados y se puede hacer perfectamente el ejercicio. Saludos (y)
Eh what ?
love u i learn Maya always respect for u like my teacher.. from Pakistan
Thank you
its very cool my friend!!!
+senio eugenio Thank you
is there a video with Gothic Arches in Maya
Hey, thanks for this. Subscribing! :)
many are not going to buy any software from now on everything is now a subscription software and many are starting to sue company's now get in line now
when you cvlick the edge of things in edge mode i only get one section not the whol lot how do i select the whole row of the edge like you?
Doubleclick ( fast )
Thank you so much man I love your tutorials have you done some work in the industry?
You are welcome. I have yes, but mostly small stuff. No big productions if that is what you mean
thank you
+Dan Ögren You're welcome
Go visit the “PANGEAN ARCHAEOLOGY” youtube channel for a 3D Animation and detailed reconstruction of the Gothic Lusignan Cathedral of Cyprus under Frankish rule.
+John Bignell Thanks for sharing
thanks for the tute
Very welcome
Hi! What are the specs of your computer? I know that running this type of program is intense on the CPU.
+Jean Marie Tan Inteli5 CPU ( quad core ), 8GB RAM and 4GB NVIDIA
Mike Hermes Oh, thanks! So how many polygons would there be in a building like this?
+Jean Marie Tan Hi Jean Marie, That depends heavily on the use. For a game or an animation you would model this very low poly and create the details via transfer of details via a high poly model or through textures. If it is intended as just a single render you would have a bit more freedom. So Low poly version maybe 10.000 for the entire building, high poly version a few million
everything's cool until you start editing UV's :)
Hey, I'm trying to make the archway, and encountered a problem when trying to extrude the faces. (I'm very new to Maya) It looks like I'm extruding the faces of the sides of the columns too even though they don't seem to be selected?
imgur.com/iCN8vvK
Flooble *EDIT*
I found out I was extruding by vertexes instead of faces. Thanks
Flooble OK good luck
Hi, I have done everything until rotation but when I select all the cylinders and try to rotate them, something doesn't add up. I think I have problems making it as a single object. I do edit->delete->history but it doesn't work like your maya(it doesn't make it as one object, the pipes still exist).here's screens of rotation. thx!
imgur.com/m8R33M0
imgur.com/oahTsp0
Also, could you post the model somewhere for reference and link it here ? Thx!
Hi DF,
Did you make sure you were in object mode when you deleted the history ( with objects selected ) ?
As for reference, I didn't use any,
Mike
Mike Hermes Oh thank you! I'm a total newb to maya and am doing this as my part in a project for college, we're making a few gargoyles take flight from a church rooftop. yours is the church ^^
Nice
DarkFantasyXY HI , For your problem you should create a group by (ctrl+G) and delete history of them ! then you can rotate them without any problem!
Hi, I was just wondering about something. You see, for a University project i created a Gothic Cathedral but had trouble creating the ceiling:
puu.sh/f7LKV/132c2912ef.jpg
As shown in the link. The ceiling boggled my mind so bad haha xD I was wondering if you could give me tips on how to create something like that, as i will recreate my Cathedral (I wasn't pleased with the final outcome of the project) or if you'd do a tutorial covering more Gothic Architecture?
***** Hi DweenieeTodd,
The way I do this is to create sets of multiple cylinders, combine them and then bend them with a bend deformer ( I did a tutorial on this, search for "church" ) Then when the ceiling structure is in place I model planes so they fit in the gaps to close the holes in the ceiling. Hope this helps,
Mike
Mike Hermes If you could tell me the exact time that it happens in the Church tutorial or even possible send me in the direction of a tutorial that demonstrates clearly how to do it, that would be helpful cause i still can't bloody do this! xD
***** 3:07 to 5:10
Mike Hermes I suppose this helps to get the basis of the ceiling started, some areas such as getting the curved area of the ceiling to the window is something i'll have to figure out but thankyou!
A question i wanted to ask, i'm studying games design and of course want to get to the industry. The environments you make such as the Cathedral and Gladiator arena, are the game ready environments or purely art styled environments? They seem quite high poly to go into games but i could be wrong.
***** Hi there,
These models are certainly NOT suitable for game environments. The poly count is way to high. Normally for a game asset you would get a budget of around 1500 poly count. In order to make this suitable you would have to transfer the detail from a high poly model to a low poly model via maps etc.
Mike