MP Sylvia Lim on the handling of the Mr Iswaran’s corruption case
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- MP Sylvia Lim asked subsequent questions to seek clarification on the handling of the Mr Iswaran’s case, which she said raised more questions than it answered. She argued that the public could well conclude that the corruption case against the former Minister was weak due to the reduction of charges under the Prevention of Corruption Act to charges under S165 of the Penal Code. She also highlighted that the lack of an open trial in favour of a plea bargain had given rise to a lot of speculation in the public sphere as to what precisely happened on the facts and also between the AGC and the defense. Residents had also expressed to her their doubts about whether the public prosecutor had defended the public interest adequately since the sentence was double what the prosecution had sought. Minister Chan Chun Sing later said that a charge under Section 165 was a corruption charge which Sylvia disagreed with, stating that corruption was not required for Section 165.
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Good questioning by Miss Sylvia Lim. The same questions, the general public would have.
Thanks Sylvia. 🙏🙏🙏❤
Minister Of Law should answer and not Minister Of Education
Fuck up in most assignments Min of txp know nuts rather than bolts 😂😂
Sometimes I wonder how this Minister Chan can be promoted to a Minister. I wonder wonders
HE GOT A GOOD MOUTH THAT CAN BLOW WELL
He ccs existed when lky was around and he was the one pull him in to tanjong pagan grc..and that how he ended minister
@@mariantia926eye blind
@fongwilliam707 indeed..if u observed deeply enough,all these 4g leadership articulating skill very weak, thinking very slow but talk cock all very zai.All are so called Singapore elite on title ,not on capability..😂🤣😅🤔🤫🫣
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closed door, plead bargain is the best, the more you dig, the more skeletons will be revealed.
Good questions Sylvia !
It is so hard on my ears to listen to CCS's replies. He does not know the law enough to answer Sylvia's questions. He is just dancing around the questions.
what can you expect from a person who says cotton comes from sheep !
PAP this days hv not been clean in their handling of cases be it common citizens or a office holder needs be double the case sentence.
Chan Chun Sing is trying to be evasive in his answers which is not surprising because all PAP politicians are like that.
Very good questions asked for those who understands law in all its complexity and execution's (and hence expectations) and why the sudden change that beffuzzled all.
The explaination from CCS should be better than this. Pay him millions and yet he did not improve his English after all these yrs.
The simple reason was, to prove without any reasonable doubt based on the corruption charge, the onus is for the prosecution to prove that was a favor rendered in return for the gifts Iswaran took.
They check the F1 side and the Lum Pah..err..i mean Lum Chang side and there was nothing that can be used as concrete evidence as such.
So conviction under this corruption act will not be 100%.
So rather than PP lose face, gov lose face and integrity rep, they would rather proceed with a charge under 165 to secure a 100% chance of conviction!
Tio boh ah Chan?😆😆😆
Minister of Law should answer these questions in fact…. Where is he ?
Busy counting his money from selling his house.
gone outside eat prata
Hiding
The Ministers of Law should be best qualified to answer these questions. Where are they?
The local audience might end up more confused if the minister of law explains this.
And the ruling party thinks the common folks would much prefer the 'Hokkien version' used in explaining the basis behind why 165 was proceeded on instead of corruption charge.😆😆🤣🤣
I think so too. They should reply whether or not called upon.
@kengleetan63 your answer is as daft as the majority of the audience and therefore highly acceptable.
Hiding
CCS always replied in a non-replied manner. 😂
Best paid idiot and clown all rolled into one in Sg history.
He was an ex-army general that explained his manner.
Always twist , turn , flip , no direct relevant straight forward valid reasonable , truth answers , it's snaky .
This is how they treat you answer without answering. So they treat you like nothing.
MP Sylvia Lim didn't ask the question for herself per se but on behalf of the people of Singapore, most who are not lawyers.
And yes, she as a lawyer would know but the rest of Singaporeans are not all lawyers hence she asked.
My view is that the matter has been handled lightly against the written Prevention of Corruption Act thus reducing the maximum sentence possible from $100,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years or to both to a sentence of only 12 months which I think is a very lenient punishment for a High Level "Cabinet" Minister.
You can tell there is no thoroughness in the investigation and constant reduction of charges better than Great Singapore Sale which has also been scrapped several years ago when Singaporeans finally realised it was to clear lousy stock time.
Definitely there is some covered up of the case, PAP comes clean la, i cant trust pap court , the prosecutor will asked inappropriate questions lol instead of questions on the corruption
He said at the end that there does not need to be a quid pro quo, just the fact that public servant received the items. Was there no hard proof that iswaran received the items? If no, than why charge his under 165?
Current government and their ministries are showing their incompetence with these fuck ups
For comoner corrution 1 year sentence , govt junior 2 years senior 3 years me ministers 4 years etc . years
Opposition or not,it's not worth arguing pap's definition on what's corruption and what's not when it's "Rules for thee,not for me".
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Ask the so-called "clean" governments what did govt employees do to Sarah Sophia (9-12) years old, for 3 years, taken away against her will just because allegedly she has suicidal thoughts (at age 9!) which she herself denies, no transparency, they even willing to commit absolute clearcut perjury, not to mention clearcut abduction (no warrant, no court order, no documents shown at that stage), which obviously traumatised her as she was happy at home or with family prior to separation...it is okay it seems for govt to commit terrorism...? Instead of self-reflecting and humbly admitting when they are wrong, they gave hubristic ridiculous excuses that were not even logical, to cover up their lapses...yet they can malign the father a terrorist, insane and as if "poor" is the definition of uneducated (unlike the elite "servants" with fat bonuses) even using the father she loves as a scapegoat....she even protested against them when she went on a hunger strike...so many uncountable knee jerk reactions indeed wrt her situation...even seriously violating geneva conventions....What did they do to mend or heal? Nothing...no transparency...instead they hit below the belt and throw sand in the eyes when the innocent has fallen, they even tried to brainwash her as if home, parents etc not good for her, which prompted her to plead to her father to promise to her to come rescue her (which was recorded and witnessed) ...the need to always be right even when they are wrong has become cancerous in govts... they even willing to sacrifice a child's happiness and an innocent father as scapegoat, there were no incidents, no violence, nothing untowards between family members, between father and daughter (proven in court) yet the narcissistic "public servants" still dont want to relinquish control because they fear that the child will let out the secrets as to what happened to her during the imposed separation behind our backs. When we let unenlightened non-spiritual beings to be leaders what we get is to the detriment of the vulnerable, the meek and the innocent...but Karma will come round to haunt incessantly just as they unnecessarily give nightmares to families they choose to bully with govt unlimited resources, power and even using the child as leverage and bargaining tool, that is sick! No amount of propaganda can hide the pain of sufferers, the glaring truths, as you can only lie some of the time...but you can't lie all of the time to all people....
Wah liao. CCS, if u have nothing to say, don't sat anything. U taiji again. Sighz, we (common people) have been giving u many chances. Time and again, u perform under par. We don't hope u hanta kaki ur career. But we now are sure that's the best u can do
We thank Iswaran for his contributions. 👍👏👏👏🏆
I totally agree. I wish everyone would let the matter rest. And move on.
Yes, his final contribution was staining the white!
@@lilycool2601 you totally misunderstood my point
@@noorulameen804 you got it
Why not minister of law is explaining? How come minister of education is answering
6:08 it's a corruption charge. Isawaran was charged for corruption.
Deception and mischief.
Hahaha....PAP going down the drain...looking forward to GE 2025
Yeap so obvious by now that the goververning party has started going down d drain...
All law is under pap mah.. so they side their own people.
PAP most corrupt party lah
Shit attracts shit.
Maybe that's why pap is getting from bad to worse in its recruitment
Lets get clarity on:
1. His crime was not called corruption?
2. Yet, he says section 165 is under corruption.
Am i right again that English is Ambiguous thus Roti Prata?
So if one fully exploits the ambiguous nature of English, how much Creativity is potentially in English where language is art
What is the offence? Not declaring the gifts and favours he received while he was a minister and member of parliament 😮
I am not a lawyer but my two cents are that
Section 165 speaks to obtaining valuables as a public servant. Meaning, once the guy take any valuables above $50 from a partner he is working with, OBS and others, without declaring and returning or paying for it, that is guilty of Section 165 already.
PCA is essentially a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" kind of situation. Where the public servant explicitly provided benefits to the other person as a result of receiving the gift under section 165.
Correct me if I'm wrong
@@ghcheong I thought Chapter 241 of the Prevention of Corruption Act Stated it very clearly that As long as you are a government officer and that gratification [Gift as defined in clause 2] has been received then gratification shall be deemed to have been paid or given and received corruptly as an inducement or reward as hereinbefore mentioned unless the contrary is proved. [The burden of proof]
The Whole of Clause 8 is copied below for clarity;
8. Where in any proceedings against a person for an offence under section 5 or 6, it is proved that any gratification has been paid or given to or received by a person in the employment of the Government or any department thereof or of a public body by or from a person or agent of a person who has or seeks to have any dealing with the Government or any department thereof or any public body, that gratification shall be deemed to have been paid or given and received corruptly as an inducement or reward as hereinbefore mentioned unless the contrary is proved.
@@ghcheongExtortion for gifts and favours is abuse of authority. The law requires the person to pay for their gifts and services in exchange for their immunity to prosecution 😊
Ayiooooooo as usual with no answers or dun know how to answer.
Just like getting a comb from a monk.😊
There may be some facts that may be disclosed that would open a can of worms as the court case progresses. The public would need to know.
I wanted to know why it took the CPIB more than 8 years to uncover that Iswaran was receiving "gifts".
What does Incorruptible mean given its said the crime was under corruption as we heard from him? Is English Ambiguous as i always preached?
Honesty is the best policy 😊
Chan Chun Sing, didn't know what to answer the questions...😊
Lky claimed that his pap sg ministers must be paid high enough, so that they won't be corrupted
So was iswaran not paid enough?
Is ponding and not flood.
Sometimes, i wonder whether he understands himself
multi mil minister only hv 1 yr,sentance while other country will give 20yr sentance or shot
I pity CCS kena arrow to answering these difficult questions from Sylvia.
@@vicpua maybe we can elect ccs as next pm if LW screws up
It seems Minister CCS representing d PM LW is himself confused or many of us have been made confused by him about session 165. Is Minister of Laws so busy maybe preoccupied wif his 88million matter that he could not answer the case himself?
Indeed somethings amiss... 😂
When a person is found in possession of a weapon belonging to the state. The person must explain how he is possession of a weapon belonging to the state . How did S Isawaran obtained those F1 green room tickets?
Need a v hard time to extend basic trust to him
Maybe or may not, cpib😊😊😊
Be honesty and truefulness shall maintain justice in overall system from trusted and loyalties grounded, Singapore flag moon shadow lights eclipse with both edges to sharpen justice through both sides as matured mantle
Dude 1 yr is very short u guy still amend this and that u all sure in side of justice
If Pritam Singh really lied in parliament, what's the penalty for him?
LASTLY LET ME COMMEND THE TRULY WISE JUDGE ::: HON. VINCENT HOONG....SIR YOU HAVE MY UTMOST RESPECT !!!
AND TO CJ SUNDARESH MENON AND AG....YOU HAVE MY UTMOST RESPECT TOO !!! hint hint...hidden message here...
Cpf that is all it matters
She as a lawyer should not be stirring.
😂😂😂😂question answer
Lawyer shld know better right it's their bread n butter. The purpose of this is not about corruption as per say. Section 165 applies becos this is more serious than corruption but cos they have a discussion since he serve the army for 16 year 沒工也有勞。Thats why he was put under section 165. Just fyi this a serious offence. Previous PM has to step 👇.
ISWARAN had suffered for 1 year under corruption charges but last min withdrew. So who is to blame for this overhanging bad impression on him?
What impression do we get on a person who takes urgent private affairs leave to go on a free of charge holiday.....gd impression!?
@gparamaeswary7276 I'm stating as an devil advocate. I m no Iswaran fan. He shld be punished for what he did. But same goes to the prosecutors & the whole legal regime who didn't know the difference btw Section 165 & real corruption charges.
We salute the judge who convicted iswaran.
Defence; 8 weeks
DPP: 6 mths.
Judge; both you guys are trying to fool me...... eh
12 months!!!
12 months is too lenient. He was holding a minister appointment back then. Some more got 1 charge is obstruction of law.
PS should resign and let GG become the Secretry General
I kinda know what he meant lah. He could be saying that S165 still contains the elements and nature of corruption therefore broadly speaking it is still a 'corruption charge', in that sense, but not formally a Corruption Charge according to the term under the PCA.
Ah Sing is not a lawyer lah, let just forgive him for not being precise in his expression.
Sylvia Lim is a LAWYER. How come SL have NOT asked what HARM has Iswaran caused & that there is no explanation as to how s65 apply. Just wayang lah.
@@hengbin2974 the harm is to the nation's reputation when senior gov official is charged under section 165 which is deemed under corruption as said by ah chan. If your china's senior gov official can be bribed, for example, and leak state secrets to USA, how much hum is that? You need answer your own question
Nation or Government? Two different beasts. Also, whose reputation? So many times innocent citizens' were sacrificed for the mysterious euphemistic creature called Nation, at what point do you consider citizens as not being part of the Nation you are protecting....? It shouldn't be that the Nation's (or govt) worst enemy is the citizens themselves...
@@ShahWirana Just read the law esp the judge's Oath. From what I've read. your "so many times" just dun fit the bill about the violation of the Oath........Like I've said many times b4, sinkies like U should read the law as to what comprise the Govt.
Fun Fact: Iswaran is her constituent 😂
Raeesah Khan is the most honest person in WP.
In the end, it’s all about plea deal. Under PCA,the prosecutors need to prove quid pro quo n depending on the sections being charged under the jail sentence could be 5-7 years, under 165,it doesn’t n lesser jail term. both r corruption charges. It’s over, futile attempts by Sylvia Lim in parliament.
Did not go and cheer Pritam ah?
SL dare not go because PS will be found guilty. PS should do the right thing and resign and return his MP allowance of $385,000 and step down. Would PS have the "balls" to do it?
Iswaran's case was uncovered by PAP. Pritam's case was also uncovered by PAP. It's so obvious that PAP is the only responsible and self-accountable party in s'pore. WP has a lot to learn from PAP.
Wrong. Iswaran was uncovered by evidence tendered by an English trial against Bernie ecclestone for corruption. It was from there that there was an anonymous tip off to CPIB. Otherwise it would have been hushed for ever😂😂😂😂😂
U mean PAP uncovered Rideout
@@ChuaPCB4學這點吧 no I have inside information that says a tip off was made directly to CPIB from England that is why cpib had to notify LHY that they were going to conduct otherwise he wld already know.
You see arh I am say Rideout. Don't reply unnecessarily. If u are referring to Iswaran u look at his face do you think he has got guards to tell LHL. The issue here is not talking abt UK it happens every day in UK corruption. So don't bother to bring them in. Read my the other post. Why LHL took so long cos it might be OBS his friend give to israwan as a personal 🧧🎁 since OBS is the sole sponsor n Iswaran is the tmp.
Anyway he was charge main reason of his conduct. That's why 165 was given to him n he admitted he is doing the wrong thing. What tips u are talking unrelated to that FATTY BomBom.
@@dorissim5012 well done to inform lot of those unaware out there. 😂
PS is charged in court for lying. He must resign and return his MP allowance of $385,000. Follow Iswaran's example.
the opposition has grown so much...can u imagine being ruled otherwise for the past 30 years? 🌦️🌥️🌤️🌞