New sub from Bama, like the Dear Momma playing you're my kind of homie. I like your content and I'm learning so much. Took my home inspector pretest and only missed out on HVAC. Was never a service tech just an installer so no real experience.
At first I thought the same thing. Then i realized that he is in the business of maintaining and repairing refrigeration systems and not in the business of food service. I assume that it would be the responsibility of the business owner to clean and sanitize the unit after the service call.
Every few months or so I spray a few coats of food grade mold release on the evaporator while it is dry and that helps the ice fall off while harvesting.
Hey Dave here in Alabama the DOT will let anyone drive virtually any car with no insurance. Some of the cars you come up on you can’t tell what kind of car it is till you get past the smoke cloud coming out of the tail pipe and get a look at whats left of the front end. Most of the fire hydrants are M&H 929 designed to be able to be hit by a car and the stem breaks to valve to prevent the classic geyser. Which takes all the fun out of hydrant collisions. LOL 😂 Nice video on that old beast of an ice machine. Keep them coming I always look forward to your uploads.
Hay Dave, Been learning a ton from you I'm in NC other side of the country . Keep it up man love the vids . I'v been HVAC tech now for 7 yrs .Doing a lot of geothermal hvac . Starting to transition into refrigeration and its a slight change of pace and total different world your vids are inspiring thanks a lot .would love to here from on a video of mine. Thanks again bro.
Been seeing a lot of this lately on S series manitowoc. We still have a few old Q series going strong, not sure if they started making them differently but those grids just don’t seem to last now.
I have one right now at the local Mexican joint and there is no nickel left it’s straight copper lol most of the plates are completely loose, so what they do is in between harvest cycles they beat the plates back in ! They are sooo cheap it’s annoying haha
the white of the ice is being caused by a water issue, not being filtered plus/or high hardness will cause it. Sometime it is also a lack of water flow and the ice is being made from the atmosphere ( dehumidifying you might say. )
I have a question, sometimes, the scotsman ice machine stays in "harvest time blinks" and then turns off the machine, then a few seconds later starts the machine again. is this normal?
it can be fixed, but the evaporator isn't under warranty, and the cost is about 1/2 that of a new unit. But I'll bet the condenser was caked in gunk which could explain slow production or lack of it. So a combination a bad evaporator (flaking) and probably caked condenser and water issues ( that and the system was dirty as heck, which didn't help that poor thing. )
Hi ,I have an Ice o matic 1406fo2 (220v) it use to fill the bin in a few hours now on average it produces about 10 bags per day . I've noticed on the left side it takes a long time to release the ice and by that time it becomes deformed .... I'm in Trinidad, I've had technicians look at it , serviced it said it's working fine ,but it's not ,please help
Nickels coming off too, could use a good cleaning with a spray bottle and straight ice machine cleaner. Spray it on the plates and let it sit for 10-15 minutes and then scrub it with a brush. Rinse off, might help for a little while. Definitely will have to replace soon with the grids loosening up
Thanks for the information. Mine does the same thing. Haven’t checked for loose fins but the nickel has worn down to copper in spots. That’s what holding the ice on for too long. Uggh. New ice head. Crap!!! But I got 16 years out of this one. Can’t complain.
I went to the loose fins and crisped one end by lightly tapping with hammer and flat head screw driver. This secure the fins against the plate. I did this over three months ago. Perfect fix. Fixed my problem. Thanks lot
weird exact same machine for one of my fish markets except remote condenser .. same exact thing .. last week.. but he wants to invest .. build a walk in fridge with the shoot ice maker ontop.
Not that I know the typical lifespan of the evap coil but I worked on a 20 year old model recently with some nickel flaking and it still makes decent ice.
brad mironik they will. But if the grid gets loose it can cause harvest issues like this machine has. There are some out there making ice with missing rows of the grid making ice fingers.
Also water quality goes a long way to preserving the nickel. I've done ph tests on inlet water using litmus paper. If the water in acidic or has high iron content the plates can wear down quickly.
is there a way to fix it,, maybe replace the evaporator? BTW Ty for posting this I'm having the same prob, the ice wont fall. ill go check for loose fins.
I have just installed a brand new Scotsman Half Dice Cube machine and the cubes are stuck together like your video. Is it supposed to be like that? With my old machine they were all separate when released.
I'm working on a hoshizaki ice maker I've replace the float switch it keeps going into harvest when the float switch is working properly and in the up position what would cause it to go into harvest without the float switch telling it to
The dump valves get mineral deposits in them and they don't seal properly allowing the water to drain thus triggering premature harvest. It's easy to remove the valve, disassemble it and clean it.
I love how you all complain about the bare hands and throwing the ice back in the bin. We wear rubber gloves to br professional but if you look at the slime that builds up in those machines you would puke. And never go to the establishment again. Restaurant owners never ever clean their ice machines. That's why they go down and we keep in business as service techs. Next time you go out to eat, ask the server if you can walk into the kitchen. LOL!!! You'll be cooking at home from that they forward. Obviously the remarks made by those people never drank from a garden hose. :-)
Quick question. On the IY series does a thermistor error shut down the unit. I'm pretty sure tech support told me it's just for monitoring, for the technicians convenience. Does the error cause the machine to do anything other than flash an alarm?
I have 2 10 year old scottsman prodigys with all the nickle gone on them and exposed copper in every single grid. The grid pushes out from time to time and it wont harvest. So every so often i take a hammer to the grid and knock it back in place and it will work well again. Im only doing this to get the cheap hotel by until they replace them.
Jeremy Voshage most manufacturers give an estimated life span of 10 years on an ice machine. They will last longer than that in most cases. But if a machine is beat, rusting out and 10 years old or close to it it’s time to look at replacement.
Jeremy Voshage: No question. There'd be quite a market if we could replace the evap under 750 P+L.! But when the evap COSTS that much and more, it's not a reasonable fixer upper. I could hire a couple of guys to do nothing but evaps if we could get them cheaper! They are mostly a moderate part to replace. Some are downright easy. I was doing warranty work for one of the big companies and had a run of bad evaps that I had gotten down to 80-90 minutes or less!
The ice can break away if the by pass temperature is correct. Multiple problems cause poor harvest. Plating gone, by pass valve malfunction and so on. 404a at 250psig at harvest should free most ice cells if of proper thickness. Good video!
Need new evaporator. You can just replace the evaporator and not to advice him to buy new ice cube machine . Like this you will save him some money but you will ask him also to call you once or month to clean and sanitize the ice machine ,because what I see on the video is at least terrible!!!
13 yr old machine i would not even start it up...check plate first..see nickel peeling & loose crossbars the party is over right there...no need to go further. You also touched the ice and threw it back in the bin 😖🤢
TheTeto209 not a super tech but i get 15 ice machine calls a week for the last 18 yrs...i am authorized warranty service for the big 4 major brands of ice machines...i know what im talking about
kingofthecrease30 what Evers on Dave’s hands is the least of the worries how many pms in 13 years do you think they had? A real tech dont have ice they know better even though idgaf ice all day
Looking forward to the retrofit ice machine installation huge fan man these videos mean the world to new techs thanks !
I have learned so many things from you, Dave!
Thank you. Glad I could help
New sub from Bama, like the Dear Momma playing you're my kind of homie. I like your content and I'm learning so much. Took my home inspector pretest and only missed out on HVAC. Was never a service tech just an installer so no real experience.
I love how you grab the ice and just toss it back in with your squeaky clean hands 😃
All day long. Every day.
At first I thought the same thing. Then i realized that he is in the business of maintaining and repairing refrigeration systems and not in the business of food service. I assume that it would be the responsibility of the business owner to clean and sanitize the unit after the service call.
@@md-eq9sj no, he just keeps his hands clean and sanitized and no problem.
These machene can get absolutely filthy, so he is likely cleaner.
@@md-eq9sj that bin should be cleared before he even gets there.
This answers the question to "Why should I use a nickel safe sanitizer???" Great video by the way (as usual!)
Every few months or so I spray a few coats of food grade mold release on the evaporator while it is dry and that helps the ice fall off while harvesting.
can you tell which brand mold release you using
love your troubleshooting, never thought of that, thanks for the extra knowledge
Hey Dave here in Alabama the DOT will let anyone drive virtually any car with no insurance.
Some of the cars you come up on you can’t tell what kind of car it is till you get past the smoke cloud coming out of the tail pipe and get a look at whats left of the front end.
Most of the fire hydrants are M&H 929 designed to be able to be hit by a car and the stem breaks to valve to prevent the classic geyser.
Which takes all the fun out of hydrant collisions.
LOL 😂
Nice video on that old beast of an ice machine.
Keep them coming I always look forward to your uploads.
Hay Dave, Been learning a ton from you I'm in NC other side of the country . Keep it up man love the vids .
I'v been HVAC tech now for 7 yrs .Doing a lot of geothermal hvac . Starting to transition into refrigeration and its a slight change of pace and total different world your vids are inspiring thanks a lot .would love to here from on a video of mine. Thanks again bro.
THE DIIBs family adventure thanks for watching Diibs
I always keep spare belts in unit Keep up the good work
Been seeing a lot of this lately on S series manitowoc. We still have a few old Q series going strong, not sure if they started making them differently but those grids just don’t seem to last now.
Benjamin Thorman I’m thinking different materials. To save $$.
Thank you so much for your vid! Really helped me w my harvesting issues.
I have one right now at the local Mexican joint and there is no nickel left it’s straight copper lol most of the plates are completely loose, so what they do is in between harvest cycles they beat the plates back in ! They are sooo cheap it’s annoying haha
Oh I love it... what day is it? I have the same experiences... 00:50 .
the white of the ice is being caused by a water issue, not being filtered plus/or high hardness will cause it. Sometime it is also a lack of water flow and the ice is being made from the atmosphere ( dehumidifying you might say. )
I too thought this is not correct diagnosis
I was thinking because there is poor contact with the evap. The harvest will be less eficient. And also ice the making.
I have a question, sometimes, the scotsman ice machine stays in "harvest time blinks" and then turns off the machine, then a few seconds later starts the machine again. is this normal?
Ice machines are actually kind of fun to work on.
Sure makes you think about not getting cold drinks with ice though after you have seen inside some.
Agreed I have seen some neglected lachines
it can be fixed, but the evaporator isn't under warranty, and the cost is about 1/2 that of a new unit. But I'll bet the condenser was caked in gunk which could explain slow production or lack of it. So a combination a bad evaporator (flaking) and probably caked condenser and water issues ( that and the system was dirty as heck, which didn't help that poor thing. )
Why didn't you show how to get that front piece off ? How did you get to the ice grid?
Hi ,I have an Ice o matic 1406fo2 (220v) it use to fill the bin in a few hours now on average it produces about 10 bags per day . I've noticed on the left side it takes a long time to release the ice and by that time it becomes deformed .... I'm in Trinidad, I've had technicians look at it , serviced it said it's working fine ,but it's not ,please help
Why do the grids get loose? Is it just over time or can something else cause it as well?
Nickels coming off too, could use a good cleaning with a spray bottle and straight ice machine cleaner. Spray it on the plates and let it sit for 10-15 minutes and then scrub it with a brush. Rinse off, might help for a little while. Definitely will have to replace soon with the grids loosening up
Another informative video with a little comedy on the side.
Larry Proffitt thanks Larry.
great work!!!!
Thanks for the information. Mine does the same thing. Haven’t checked for loose fins but the nickel has worn down to copper in spots. That’s what holding the ice on for too long. Uggh. New ice head. Crap!!! But I got 16 years out of this one. Can’t complain.
16 years is amazing for an ice machine
@@NorCal-refrigeration I know. I do all my servicing and cleaning. Never have had to replace anything on it. Great machine.
Check the refrigerant level, if the ice doesn’t shape evenly specially on the top section that means low refrigerant
I went to the loose fins and crisped one end by lightly tapping with hammer and flat head screw driver. This secure the fins against the plate. I did this over three months ago. Perfect fix. Fixed my problem. Thanks lot
Thanks for teaching
Dave- once the customer realizes how well the Hoshizaki machines are. The second sale/ Install will be easy! Go Japan🇯🇵 ! Great video bud.🤘
No Compete Refrigeration Services - HVAC that is True. 👍
Hoshizaki isnt Japanese. But American
sjef oekel - They have 2 types. Japan and USA (Hoshizaki America) both have Japanese Technology! Japan 🇯🇵
No Compete Refrigeration Services - HVAC you are right, thank you for correcting me. I was told otherwise.
What is the reason Ice o matic ice machine going in harvest in short time
Yepper it’s over Good Call Dave
William Loper ya the party is over
weird exact same machine for one of my fish markets except remote condenser .. same exact thing .. last week.. but he wants to invest .. build a walk in fridge with the shoot ice maker ontop.
What causes sheets of ice instead of individual ice cubes
I've got a Ice-0 matic that's in bad shape three run on evaporator are loose customer needs to replace
One of the horizontal grid slits came loose on my ice-o-matic evap...are those grids just pressed in?
Fernando Cavazos no they are manufactured together
Why not change the evap coil
Not that I know the typical lifespan of the evap coil but I worked on a 20 year old model recently with some nickel flaking and it still makes decent ice.
brad mironik they will. But if the grid gets loose it can cause harvest issues like this machine has. There are some out there making ice with missing rows of the grid making ice fingers.
Also water quality goes a long way to preserving the nickel. I've done ph tests on inlet water using litmus paper. If the water in acidic or has high iron content the plates can wear down quickly.
It would be nice if they would make clear plastic curtains to see
Looks like plating is coming off too it's done How often do they clean it
Pat Stansberry no idea.
Your griddle got the wiggles
Darin pugliese 😂😂😂😂😂👍
That UEI solid in and out of WIF and WIC’ers? My Fieldpieces keep failing due to moisture issues. Humid FL in and out of coolers.
billcv80 that’s why I switched to UEI every fieldpiece meter died in the rain.
Nor-Cal Refrigeration & H.V.A.C
I’ll give one a try. Sick them dying and need an all in one meter. Thanks.
is there a way to fix it,, maybe replace the evaporator? BTW Ty for posting this I'm having the same prob, the ice wont fall. ill go check for loose fins.
Tro Andersen if the machine is in good shape you can replace the evap.
I have just installed a brand new Scotsman Half Dice Cube machine and the cubes are stuck together like your video. Is it supposed to be like that? With my old machine they were all separate when released.
Check your bridge thickness
@@NorCal-refrigeration OK. Will do. Thanks mate
I need your help sir, ice machine it doesn't ice full. How do I know from you? ARABAIN machine gas R22
7 to 10 years old ice machines would you still change the evap coil
Gene K that’s a tough one Gene. Life span from OEM is 10 years on the machine.
I'm working on a hoshizaki ice maker I've replace the float switch it keeps going into harvest when the float switch is working properly and in the up position what would cause it to go into harvest without the float switch telling it to
Possibly the board
The dump valves get mineral deposits in them and they don't seal properly allowing the water to drain thus triggering premature harvest. It's easy to remove the valve, disassemble it and clean it.
@@Kustomgadget you are right if I ever run into the same situation I will keep my new knowledge thank you D&W MECHANICAL LLC
Cool thank you . Yeah crank up the music
I love how you all complain about the bare hands and throwing the ice back in the bin. We wear rubber gloves to br professional but if you look at the slime that builds up in those machines you would puke. And never go to the establishment again. Restaurant owners never ever clean their ice machines. That's why they go down and we keep in business as service techs. Next time you go out to eat, ask the server if you can walk into the kitchen. LOL!!! You'll be cooking at home from that they forward. Obviously the remarks made by those people never drank from a garden hose. :-)
Check out my video of the cooks drawer unit. 🤣😂🤣😂
whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. My germs would eat your germs for lunch.
Quick question. On the IY series does a thermistor error shut down the unit. I'm pretty sure tech support told me it's just for monitoring, for the technicians convenience. Does the error cause the machine to do anything other than flash an alarm?
Bruce Crutchfield the sensors just flash the warning ⚠️ machine still runs.
Nice video thank you
Ron White thanks for watching Ron
I have 2 10 year old scottsman prodigys with all the nickle gone on them and exposed copper in every single grid. The grid pushes out from time to time and it wont harvest. So every so often i take a hammer to the grid and knock it back in place and it will work well again. Im only doing this to get the cheap hotel by until they replace them.
You weren't charging them enough to baby sit
Fix pressure switch, tap the evaporator metal back in, that will make it work .
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7pm?
Time and a half plus easy call.
Personally I'd tell them I ain't coming til the next day.
Why do you work so hard ?
Maybe too many young children to feed.
Your griddle a wiggle
Lol.... what day is it, hell I forget what year is it. 😂
Danny L ya I forget years too. 😂😂
Did you get the sale?
Rob Romanski I quoted it. If I get it I’ll video it.
Ive never worked on ice machines. I guess it cant take a decent dump anymore and is no good. Poor thing
GSI Jimbo I
It seems like it needs a few ounces of refrigerant
Scottmans getting error 2 (harvesting) only 4 years...my fault though...nickel seems to be the issue
So your touching the customers ice with your bare hands (which look dirty) and then just throwing it back in the bin?
badmojoe yep because it all gets melted with garden hose when I clean the bin, which is not on video.
@@NorCal-refrigeration Alright, just making sure. ;-) Keep up the good work.
Most restaurants are so nasty it does not matter.
I pick my nose and service ice machines. Flick a booger in the ice.
@@10rninjariderzx 🤣🤣
Nice Video Dave .. Time for a Hoshi Km series ... 😬😄
Felipe Tafolla km900mah quoted👍
Nor-Cal Refrigeration & H.V.A.C you know I’m a hoshi type of guy 😜
Its sad how expensive all ice machine evap plates are. Could save alot of machines if tech could purchase them at a decent price.
Jeremy Voshage most manufacturers give an estimated life span of 10 years on an ice machine. They will last longer than that in most cases. But if a machine is beat, rusting out and 10 years old or close to it it’s time to look at replacement.
Jeremy Voshage:
No question. There'd be quite a market if we could replace the evap under 750 P+L.! But when the evap COSTS that much and more, it's not a reasonable fixer upper. I could hire a couple of guys to do nothing but evaps if we could get them cheaper! They are mostly a moderate part to replace. Some are downright easy. I was doing warranty work for one of the big companies and had a run of bad evaps that I had gotten down to 80-90 minutes or less!
The ice is hooking onto the grid and can’t dislodge from the grid.
The ice can break away if the by pass temperature is correct. Multiple problems cause poor harvest. Plating gone, by pass valve malfunction and so on. 404a at 250psig at harvest should free most ice cells if of proper thickness.
Good video!
how the hell do idiots run into/over fire-hydrants on "dry" pavement..... I could see if there was snow, slush and ice!!
throttle bottle driving has become terrible out there. There should be mega yearly training and testing.
I think yall need about 4 to 6 ice and snow storms a year :) that would solve much of it
throttle bottle if that ever happened out here the place would be shut down. Lol
well, here in ohio, the first storm and bad storms after, the same thing happens. one big crash up derby and multi-mile freeway parking lots =p
The nickel plating looks shot
ROBERT SCHAEFER it’s gone
Yup, she's done, but 13 years is a good run for any ice machine.
30 second intro when I just want to get to the point
You watch it and love it. And don’t skip the commercials. I provide free information. Enjoy super tech.
A lot of coustomer think that’s no big issue And think your just trying to sell them one
TheTeto209 ya but this you can show em the nickel is gone off the evap.
If they don't understand it is a big issue, they will when they find out the cost of an evaporator replacement.
Apprentice Phil I quoted a new machine. 👍
Manitowoc junk. They over think the process, we are just wanting to freeze water. Hoshi is a simpler idea! Stay safe brother 👍
Need new evaporator. You can just replace the evaporator and not to advice him to buy new ice cube machine . Like this you will save him some money but you will ask him also to call you once or month to clean and sanitize the ice machine ,because what I see on the video is at least terrible!!!
Nooooooooiooo!
Not worth the evaporator swap?
More like a sales pitch video but ok
i lost jimm petinato.
George Siatos jim is awesome!!!
Is that porn music in the beginning?lol
Yes it’s super sexy. You do your best work when feeling sexy
13 yr old machine i would not even start it up...check plate first..see nickel peeling & loose crossbars the party is over right there...no need to go further. You also touched the ice and threw it back in the bin 😖🤢
Oh ur a super tech chill ...
TheTeto209 not a super tech but i get 15 ice machine calls a week for the last 18 yrs...i am authorized warranty service for the big 4 major brands of ice machines...i know what im talking about
kingofthecrease30 what Evers on Dave’s hands is the least of the worries how many pms in 13 years do you think they had? A real tech dont have ice they know better even though idgaf ice all day
his hands are cleaner than 96% of them anyway :))
throttle bottle exactly man I would rather lick a bad then consuming some ice from certain machines