bin ganz begeistert von der absolut ausgeglichenen Mischung der Tonfarben!!!!! Das zeigt die grosse Meisterschaft beider Dirigents und Musiker!!!! Gut gemacht Alle!!!!
Wundervolles Werk, wundervolle Interpretation. Berührend und beeindruckend. Auch wenn diese Sinfonie als" Unvollendete" in die Musikgeschichte eingegangen ist, ist sie vollkommen!
@@Dylonely_9274 No longer. As to what *used* to be called No.7: "Although the work (which comprises about 1350 bars) is structurally complete, Schubert only orchestrated the slow introduction and the first 110 bars of the first movement." Less than ten percent of it is the work of Schubert. That is why - several decades ago - it was dropped from the revised catalog of his works. His symphonies are now officially recognized as being eight in number. 🐧 Among others, Herbert Blomstedt and Marek Janowski accept and endorse the new numbering system. 🐧
Once again, a very fine performance AND interpretation of this superlative piece of music. It's unimportant to me whether it's called the 7th or the 8th; it's simply heavenly music that succeeds utterly in reaching the soul of humanity. Thank you HR Symphony Orchestra! JAT
Echt vollendete Aufführung dieses unvollendeten Meisterwerks mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt synchronisierten Töne aller Instrumente. Der zweite Satz klingt fast himmlisch. Der unvergleichliche Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im gut phrasierten Tempo mit effektiv kontrollierter Dynamik. Einfach wunderschön!
This is symphony No. 8 in B minor, D 759 widely known as the Unfinished Symphony ("Unvollendete" in German). It sometimes renumbered as Symphony No. 7 according to the revised Deutsch catalogue and the Neue Schubert-Ausgabe, but the original No. 7 is a four-movement symphony in E major (D 729) drafted by Schubert in 1821.
No longer. As to what *used* to be called No.7: "Although the work (which comprises about 1350 bars) is structurally complete, Schubert only orchestrated the slow introduction and the first 110 bars of the first movement." Less than ten percent of it is the work of Schubert. That is why - several decades ago - it was dropped from the revised catalog of his works. His symphonies are now officially recognized as being eight in number. 🐧 Among others, Herbert Blomstedt and Marek Janowski accept and endorse the new numbering system. 🐧
Also der Streit, ob 7. oder 8. liest sich bei wikipedia so: Das Werk trägt nach aktuellem Stand der Forschung in der Reihe von Schuberts Sinfonien die Nr. 7. Dies war nicht immer so: zunächst wurde die Sinfonie als Nr. 8 gezählt, da zu diesem Zeitpunkt die später entstandene Große Sinfonie in C-Dur bereits als Nr. 7 veröffentlicht war. Erst die neueste Auflage des Deutsch-Verzeichnisses (herausgegeben von der Editionsleitung der Neuen Schubert-Ausgabe und Werner Aderhold stellte 1978 die chronologische Reihenfolge der Nummerierung wieder her. Auf vielen CD-Veröffentlichungen, insbesondere aus dem angelsächsischen Sprachraum, trägt sie bis heute die Nr. 8, da man dort die gleichfalls nicht fertiggestellte E-Dur-Sinfonie D 729 als 7. zählt.
Die Umnummerierung brachte bloß eine unnötige Konfusion. Neuste Forschung hin oder her, die althergebrachte Nummerierung hätte man behalten sollen und nicht einem übersteigerten Korrektheitsdrang folgend ändern sollen.
One of Schubert's symphonies, No.7, was dropped from the list because it was a piano score orchestrated after his death. So, what was No.8 is now No.7, and No.9 is now No.8. The new numbering was put forth decades ago, but old habits are hard to break.
@@TheStockwell Yeah, the numbering of Schubert's works can get messy. Not just symphonies, but piano sonatas and string quartets as well. That's why I like the Deutsch catalogue.
@@joshscores3360 Agreed. Something I learned recently which shocked me: the catalog numbers of Bach's works. I assumed those famous BWV numbers had some connection to chronology. Nope. Bach's works were organised by genre and given sequential numbers within those categories. So, those BWV numbers rarely reflect when the works might've been composed. THAT was a big surprise to me. I had no idea. 😕
@@joshscores3360 . . . and they aren't. Now I finally understand that Bach didn't compose the sacred cantatas one after another - and then wrote the secular cantatas, one after another. I assumed the BWV numbers were organised the way the Koechel numbers put Mozart's work in chronological order - the way Beethoven's opus numbers work. Call me naive, but you'd think the cataloguing of Bach would've been handled the same way. Fortunately, there IS a chronological list of his compositions - and it's online. All of this came about when I was given the recent 100-disc set of Karl Richter's complete DG-Archive recordings. Have a great, safe, and musical year. ☺
Schubert's familiar works are comfortable to the ears and the mind Genius Schubert will sublimate his sorrow and pathos and regret into this wonderful symphony , From Tokyo of the Land of the Rising Sun 🇯🇵
@@c.c.fritzen7112 Thank-you How is Germany ？ The season of the blooming cherry blossoms has come again in Japan However , just like last year , for the second year in a row , we felt lonely to prevent Covid - １９,the banquets in famous public parks of Tokyo under the cherry blossoms in full bloom have been perfectly banned We are very lonely and unfortunate Be on the alert for Covid - １９ Someday please visit Japan Good luck ！
people have debated Why Schubert left this symphony unfinished and have looked for the missing fragments. maybe he left it unfinished for a reason. maybe it's a metaphor of his life. It's his autobiography.
@@saschagrusche1573 that one of the greatest symphonies ever written was half done has been the subject of interest since I believe It was discovered by Robert Schumann. the symphony, like Schubert's life is but a fragment of what would have been possible had he lived longer. Still, what he left was a gift.
This is how Schubert might have written the following movements according to his sketches for the Scherzo and the finale he used instead in another work: III. Scherzo: th-cam.com/video/FSndEjJPeTM/w-d-xo.html IV. Finale: th-cam.com/video/L3yOwZ8OEns/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zTiPrpa4Ze17TTiv
Why is it so hard to just open Wikipedia before writing "It's 8th, not 7th"? Are you also going to argue that the quotation marks («/») are inverted? :D
Indeed this is the unfinished symphony, opus "D 759", known more commonly as the 8th. But according to wikipedia ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._8_(Schubert) ) it's also sometimes numbered 7th in Germany. To add confusion, the symphony commonly known as 7th ("D 729") is also unfinished...
@@vonFisch To add even more to the confusion: Schubert has two more symphonies other than the ones mentioned which are unfinished D 615 and D 708A (thankfully none of these works have ever assumed any symphony number)
It should be called Nr 8, because it came before Nr 9, the Great C major. There was another unfinished symphony, Nr 7, written in 1820 or 1. There are fragments of that surviving.
even Schumann didn't understand why it wasn't finished. it's autobiographical as Schubert's life was unfinished. you can hear the anguish in the music but also the inspiration. Schumann remarked that this symphony "was at the same level" of Beethoven's greatest symphonies maybe even beyond Beethoven.
It is often renumbered the 7th- in accordance with the new Schubert edition which recognizes that the symphony normally referred to as no. 7 is incomplete. This isn't a typo.
@@seyunyunikim Ist ein nices Orchester :), hab bei der Baltikum Tournee da ausgeholfen und danach geschaut wer da jetzt Oboe spielt und daher deinen Namen erkannt. Das LJO RLP spielt das Ostern, deswegen bin ich hier :)
I adore this conductor and this orchestra, the finest we have today; however, I am NOT a slavish idol worshipper, and must say that I think they miss the mark with this too fast and perfunctory run-through of one of Schubert's most glorious compositions. All one needs to do is listen to Furtwangler, Walter, Jochum, or Klemperer in order to see what is missing here.
Zu schnell, verhuscht und ohne Tiefe. - Ein kleines Ensemble und eine angeblich "historisch informierte" Spielweise heißen noch lange nicht, dass man automatisch auch den Wesensgehalt der Musik - das, was eigentlich hinter den Noten steht - erfasst. Da ist diese Aufnahme th-cam.com/video/xcf951o3HmU/w-d-xo.html ein ganz anderes Kaliber als das, was uns da Maestro Orozco-Estrada als Schuberts Unvollendete präsentiert.
Le Sinfonie di Schubert sono state rinumerate, Quindi è corretta la nuova numerazione che stabilisce l'Incompiuta non più come Ottava ma appunto come Settima.
bin ganz begeistert von der absolut ausgeglichenen Mischung der Tonfarben!!!!! Das zeigt die grosse Meisterschaft beider Dirigents und Musiker!!!! Gut gemacht Alle!!!!
エストラーダ氏の新しい解釈が新鮮です。今までの悲劇的な未完成ではなく、より本来のシューベルトの「交響曲」のフォルムを大切に表現しようとした、大変に新しい未完成の誕生。第一楽章の最後をより、原譜に近づけました。今の楽譜は勘違いに勘違いを重ねた末のアーティキュレーションは良く知られた事ですが、氏はよりフォルムを重視した演奏に変更。第二楽章も三拍子の舞曲風な形まで導入している。いたずらに悲劇性を出さない新しくまた美しい交響曲にしています。素晴らしい！
Conductor is so amazing! Beautiful music!
Wundervolles Werk, wundervolle Interpretation. Berührend und beeindruckend. Auch wenn diese Sinfonie als" Unvollendete" in die Musikgeschichte eingegangen ist, ist sie vollkommen!
Wild
@@lf4019 zu wild
Magistrale interpretazione di una delle Sinfonie che preferisco! 7 Masterful interpretation of one of my favorite Symphonies!
La 7ème symphonie est la plus importante et la plus belle de Franz Schubert.
Merci à l'orchestre pour cette interprétation de qualité.
C'est la huitième
@@Dylonely_9274 No longer. As to what *used* to be called No.7:
"Although the work (which comprises about 1350 bars) is structurally complete, Schubert only orchestrated the slow introduction and the first 110 bars of the first movement."
Less than ten percent of it is the work of Schubert. That is why - several decades ago - it was dropped from the revised catalog of his works. His symphonies are now officially recognized as being eight in number. 🐧
Among others, Herbert Blomstedt and Marek Janowski accept and endorse the new numbering system. 🐧
Once again, a very fine performance AND interpretation of this superlative piece of music. It's unimportant to me whether it's called the 7th or the 8th; it's simply heavenly music that succeeds utterly in reaching the soul of humanity. Thank you HR Symphony Orchestra! JAT
Excelente interpretación de una de mis sinfonías preferidas. Bravo 👌
Echt vollendete Aufführung dieses unvollendeten Meisterwerks mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt synchronisierten Töne aller Instrumente. Der zweite Satz klingt fast himmlisch. Der unvergleichliche Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im gut phrasierten Tempo mit effektiv kontrollierter Dynamik. Einfach wunderschön!
Music is without doubt perfection. What about the camera work= best just simply best!
The genius conductor and the amazing orchestra. OMG. 🎺🎹🎹🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🔯🔯
You are richt 🙏
This is symphony No. 8 in B minor, D 759 widely known as the Unfinished Symphony ("Unvollendete" in German). It sometimes renumbered as Symphony No. 7 according to the revised Deutsch catalogue and the Neue Schubert-Ausgabe, but the original No. 7 is a four-movement symphony in E major (D 729) drafted by Schubert in 1821.
No longer. As to what *used* to be called No.7:
"Although the work (which comprises about 1350 bars) is structurally complete, Schubert only orchestrated the slow introduction and the first 110 bars of the first movement."
Less than ten percent of it is the work of Schubert. That is why - several decades ago - it was dropped from the revised catalog of his works. His symphonies are now officially recognized as being eight in number. 🐧
Among others, Herbert Blomstedt and Marek Janowski accept and endorse the new numbering system. 🐧
@@TheStockwell It was upgraded...
@@TheStockwell Are you related to the guy that removed Pluto from the list of planets?
私の青春時代はレコードの時代で、こんなに音が多彩ではなかったからシューベルトの天分を動画で見れることは
この上ない喜びです。おそらく中学校以来「未完成」は聞かなかった。このオーケストラで今まで知らなかった
シューベルトの天才が見れて感動しました。
フランクフルトの皆さん
素晴らしいオーケストラの演奏
素晴らしい指揮者有難う
今一番好きな、オーケストラ、指揮者です。
I. Allegro moderato : 0:24
II. Andante con moto : 14:24
16:49
This is symphony number 8; the unfinished symphony.
Первая часть:
вступление 0:27
главная партия 0:44
побочная партия 1:37
разработка 7:00
Вторая часть: главная партия 14:50
побочная пария: 16:45
탁월한심포니다 깨끝하고 깔큼한 교양곡에 시간의 화살이 너무 빠르다
Also der Streit, ob 7. oder 8. liest sich bei wikipedia so:
Das Werk trägt nach aktuellem Stand der Forschung in der Reihe von Schuberts Sinfonien die Nr. 7. Dies war nicht immer so: zunächst wurde die Sinfonie als Nr. 8 gezählt, da zu diesem Zeitpunkt die später entstandene Große Sinfonie in C-Dur bereits als Nr. 7 veröffentlicht war. Erst die neueste Auflage des Deutsch-Verzeichnisses (herausgegeben von der Editionsleitung der Neuen Schubert-Ausgabe und Werner Aderhold stellte 1978 die chronologische Reihenfolge der Nummerierung wieder her. Auf vielen CD-Veröffentlichungen, insbesondere aus dem angelsächsischen Sprachraum, trägt sie bis heute die Nr. 8, da man dort die gleichfalls nicht fertiggestellte E-Dur-Sinfonie D 729 als 7. zählt.
Die Umnummerierung brachte bloß eine unnötige Konfusion. Neuste Forschung hin oder her, die althergebrachte Nummerierung hätte man behalten sollen und nicht einem übersteigerten Korrektheitsdrang folgend ändern sollen.
Vielen Dank für die Erklärung.
Zertifiziert intergalaktisch!
I Think this would be 8th Symphony.
One of Schubert's symphonies, No.7, was dropped from the list because it was a piano score orchestrated after his death. So, what was No.8 is now No.7, and No.9 is now No.8. The new numbering was put forth decades ago, but old habits are hard to break.
@@TheStockwell Yeah, the numbering of Schubert's works can get messy. Not just symphonies, but piano sonatas and string quartets as well. That's why I like the Deutsch catalogue.
@@joshscores3360 Agreed. Something I learned recently which shocked me: the catalog numbers of Bach's works. I assumed those famous BWV numbers had some connection to chronology. Nope. Bach's works were organised by genre and given sequential numbers within those categories. So, those BWV numbers rarely reflect when the works might've been composed. THAT was a big surprise to me. I had no idea. 😕
@@TheStockwell I don't even think the BWV subcategories are chronological actually.
@@joshscores3360 . . . and they aren't. Now I finally understand that Bach didn't compose the sacred cantatas one after another - and then wrote the secular cantatas, one after another. I assumed the BWV numbers were organised the way the Koechel numbers put Mozart's work in chronological order - the way Beethoven's opus numbers work. Call me naive, but you'd think the cataloguing of Bach would've been handled the same way. Fortunately, there IS a chronological list of his compositions - and it's online.
All of this came about when I was given the recent 100-disc set of Karl Richter's complete DG-Archive recordings. Have a great, safe, and musical year. ☺
Actung Franz P. Schubert...!
Der Auskristallisierung des Musiker Kunst.. Ich liebe den zweitens Satz und danke Ihnen furs posten~
Von meiner CD: Franz Schubert, Sinfonie Nr. 8 h-Moll D 759 ,,Unvollendete" Erster Satz: Allegro moderato
Zweiter Satz: Andante con moto
Schubert's familiar works are comfortable to the ears and the mind
Genius Schubert will sublimate his sorrow and pathos and regret into this wonderful symphony ,
From Tokyo of the Land of the Rising Sun 🇯🇵
Hello from Germany! :D
@@c.c.fritzen7112
Thank-you
How is Germany ？
The season of the blooming cherry blossoms has come again in Japan
However ,
just like last year , for the second year in a row , we felt lonely to prevent Covid - １９,the banquets in famous public parks of Tokyo under the cherry blossoms in full bloom have been perfectly banned
We are very lonely and unfortunate
Be on the alert for Covid - １９
Someday please visit Japan
Good luck ！
@@shin-i-chikozima that sounds very interesting, I'd love to hear more about it. Do you have WhatsApp? Love from Germany - Cheyenne
@@c.c.fritzen7112
Thank-you so much to your wonderful comments
I'm sorry I have not Whatsapp
@@shin-i-chikozima Aww, but it was very interesting to hear about your country. :D
The trombones at 8:35 - 9:32 have me like :O
비록 요절 했지만 작곡은 탁월하였다우리는 당신의 시후에 행복을 만끽하고있습니다 고히 잠드소서
Cudownie. Dziękuję bardzo.
people have debated Why Schubert left this symphony unfinished and have looked for the missing fragments. maybe he left it unfinished for a reason. maybe it's a metaphor of his life. It's his autobiography.
Maybe he left it unfinished so that people would wonder and talk about why it is unfinished.
@@saschagrusche1573 that one of the greatest symphonies ever written was half done has been the subject of interest since I believe It was discovered by Robert Schumann. the symphony, like Schubert's life is but a fragment of what would have been possible had he lived longer. Still, what he left was a gift.
@@larryprimeau5885 Yes, I totally agree that this symphony is a masterpiece! I could listen to it endlessly (no pun intended, really!).
Thank you 😊
Ótima!
I'm totally surprised. I always heard it as the 8th.
It is, I've played this with the Orchestra. I look up and it's the 7th. What the Heck!
That is because it IS the 8th! and it always has been.
@@brianswanson9881 must have been cool to play this in orchestra
I am sorry about the adjustment of numbers.
Then should we forget the old number 7 symphony?
He leaves you “Unfinished”
-Brett Yang
Fantástico
1822년 대규모 교향곡 처음 작곡, 2악장까지만 작곡되어서 '미완성 교향곡이라 함. 주제선율 클라리넷 시작 1:52
フランクフルトのオーケストラが今や、世界最高峰だと思います。ウィーンフィルだってベルリンフィルだってとうてい追いつけないレベルです。ただ、ただ、感謝。
mooii!
Warum kann man sich nicht darauf einigen ob das die siebente oder die achte Sinfonie ist?
202 years ago he wrote this. He was only 25. What would he have achieved had he lived beyond his 31 short years
This is how Schubert might have written the following movements according to his sketches for the Scherzo and the finale he used instead in another work:
III. Scherzo: th-cam.com/video/FSndEjJPeTM/w-d-xo.html
IV. Finale: th-cam.com/video/L3yOwZ8OEns/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zTiPrpa4Ze17TTiv
Why is it so hard to just open Wikipedia before writing "It's 8th, not 7th"?
Are you also going to argue that the quotation marks («/») are inverted? :D
Ancora la vecchia numerazione? Questa è la Sinfonia n. 8!
please respect the german standard.
Even the german standard is not uncontested - you find this one as no. 8 as well
Excuse me, isn't the "unfinished" the 8th symphony by schubert, and not the 7th?
Indeed this is the unfinished symphony, opus "D 759", known more commonly as the 8th. But according to wikipedia ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._8_(Schubert) ) it's also sometimes numbered 7th in Germany. To add confusion, the symphony commonly known as 7th ("D 729") is also unfinished...
When Berlin Phil performed it under rattle they also called it #7... confusing
@@vonFisch To add even more to the confusion: Schubert has two more symphonies other than the ones mentioned which are unfinished D 615 and D 708A (thankfully none of these works have ever assumed any symphony number)
It should be called Nr 8, because it came before Nr 9, the Great C major. There was another unfinished symphony, Nr 7, written in 1820 or 1. There are fragments of that surviving.
@@caginn actually there are 5 unfinished symphonys by schubert so don't get confused now
This is symphony no. 8, not 7
En el segundo movimiento el metrónomo hizo muy bien su trabajo
Perché la settima? Non dovrebbe essere l'ottava sinfonia?
It would have been nice if he finished this.
I think less people would hear it in the case that it is/was finished (sorry for my English)
even Schumann didn't understand why it wasn't finished. it's autobiographical as Schubert's life was unfinished. you can hear the anguish in the music but also the inspiration. Schumann remarked that this symphony "was at the same level" of Beethoven's greatest symphonies maybe even beyond Beethoven.
Egal ob 7. oder 8. Sinfonie, Hauptsache Beethoven!
Bester Kommentar xD
😃
Du weißt schon, dass das Schubert ist, oder?
@@felixduerr428 Nein, ich dachte es ist Mozart, deshalb habe ich Beethoven gesagt. 🙄
Mahler wäre stolz auf dich XD
Solange es nicht die 9. Sinfonie ist, ist alles gut
I thought this was the 8th
Wurde die 8.Sinfonie promoviert ?
Vallah kein Plan
tell me the conductor aint jimmy fallon
It ain't!
nice profile picture
슈베르트 너무 좋고
This is the 8th, not the 7th.
It is often renumbered the 7th- in accordance with the new Schubert edition which recognizes that the symphony normally referred to as no. 7 is incomplete. This isn't a typo.
Have you heard Wagner's motives in Schubert's music?
Totally!
It's too FAST! The melodious beauty of second movement has been gone.. ;(
questa è l'ottava (VIII) sinfonia e non la VII
10:30 11:44 17:40 19:49 21:51 23:43 23:50
7:00
14:50 Andante con moto
17:22 Oboe solo
20:58
Das LJO Saar hat das gespielt oder? XD
@@limonscore jaa stimmt ;)
@@seyunyunikim Ist ein nices Orchester :), hab bei der Baltikum Tournee da ausgeholfen und danach geschaut wer da jetzt Oboe spielt und daher deinen Namen erkannt. Das LJO RLP spielt das Ostern, deswegen bin ich hier :)
assolutamente non paragonabile al concerto del Maestro Abbado a Reggio Emilia nel 1989. qui manca il pathos
Ma quando?
📍18:57
it´s the 8th Symphony !!!, please!!
Then which Schubert symphony has the number '7'? ;)
@@caginn the real 7th. D 729
16:48
I adore this conductor and this orchestra, the finest we have today; however, I am NOT a slavish idol worshipper, and must say that I think they miss the mark with this too fast and perfunctory run-through of one of Schubert's most glorious compositions. All one needs to do is listen to Furtwangler, Walter, Jochum, or Klemperer in order to see what is missing here.
내 유년시절의 추억~ 가가멜과 스머프가 뛰어노는 숲~
미완성교향곡은 이제까지 8번으로 알고 있었는데..세상이 변하면서 그것도 변하는걸까??
Actually is 8th. I believe so!
Then which Schubert symphony has the number '7'? ;)
うーんやっぱりウィーンフィルを振ってもらうのを待つしかないのか。でも楽器って新しくなってんでしょ。
2:03
17:44
4:00
20:57
6:00
20:03
1:15
8:43
Это 8 симфония неоконченная, а вовсе даже не 7.
1649
1984
Zu schnell, verhuscht und ohne Tiefe. - Ein kleines Ensemble und eine angeblich "historisch informierte" Spielweise heißen noch lange nicht, dass man automatisch auch den Wesensgehalt der Musik - das, was eigentlich hinter den Noten steht - erfasst.
Da ist diese Aufnahme th-cam.com/video/xcf951o3HmU/w-d-xo.html ein ganz anderes Kaliber als das, was uns da Maestro Orozco-Estrada als Schuberts Unvollendete präsentiert.
Ich will erstmal sehen, wie Sie das besser machen.
@@nomis1246 Der dümmste Kommentar unter diesem Video - gratuliere!
Wie finden Sie diese Aufnahme? th-cam.com/video/oBPwpX3VDZE/w-d-xo.html
8° sinfonia not seven!!!!!!
Le Sinfonie di Schubert sono state rinumerate, Quindi è corretta la nuova numerazione che stabilisce l'Incompiuta non più come Ottava ma appunto come Settima.
16:38
16:40
16:47