Usually your boss won't come straight out and say "we don't like you working for us and we want you to leave and the longer you stay the more we're going to make your job difficult."
And they seem to think there's nothing wrong with that. I always humiliate employers like this now. I tell them, say it to my face what you really think. I don't care if you fire me or why but just be a man and f*cking say it. Usually they can't because they are cowards who feel guilty because they are only firing you out of insecurity. You're never good enough for a bully boss. Don't try.
The employer also will test your upper threshold and stack more assignments and/or duties on your plate until either you cannot take it anymore and get performance managed, or you get fed up and leave.
If you've been somewhere 29 years and then you get fired that actually looks great for the employee. Apparently they liked you enough for 29 years now all the sudden there's a problem...yeah right.
I was treated like dirt in a job I had with a call center some years ago. I was given the graveyard shift all summer when my colleagues were on leave. I was doing a great job or so I was told, after returning from leave I was set up to fail at every turn by backstabbing colleagues/supervisor.. there was nothing wrong when it suited and everything wrong when it didn't suit...
I wouldn't recommend it. But if you are in dire straits of money (do it until you get something better), if you are young school/college leaver and need work and the experience (do it until you get something better). As soon as you join work on an exit strategy (almost immediately). I never had office/admin/telephony experience until I joined call center, but had more than enough afterwards. I used my experience to get a better job with better pay and benefits, and have been promoted twice since I joined my current employer (government sector with government pension and benefits). Use it as a launching pad. In the call center, the customers were bad but colleagues were worse - two types of evil lol..
No one really cares why you lost your job everyone gets fired eventually for all kinds of dumb reasons. Never quit make them fire you so they have to pay you unemployment. If you quit they dont have to.
Yes they do. In 2009 I could not find anything and it destroyed my career. 2022 is abnormal. When you have 20 applications per job HR can be assholes and simply throw your resume in the trash. Presently employed is a requirement then but of course they wont say it publicly
@@DaTiger45 In California, most people can still collect unemployment insurance even if, technically, they were fired. Companies won't challenge the former employee when they try to collect unemployment insurance because they want to avoid lawsuits, and because some genuinely feel bad that their former employee is now without a job.
The longer you stay, the more you are pushed to you-know-what and do what NEEDS to be done. And they KNOW it and go into defense mode to villify, criminalize, demonize, smear your character and credibility. Sometimes you need to step out on faith vs go to prison for committing justice.
A job I hated, but worked at until I could find something better, wanted me to sign a letter of resignation. I told them I couldn't because if I quit, I can't collect unemployment. The manager was furious. I found out they were letting me go to keep a long term employee from another store of the failing chain. Had a friend get fired from Wackenhut. Instead of firing him outright, they would keep him on at 0 hours per week. He had to make some phone calls, but eventually collected unemployment.
Never sign anything on the spot - tell them to email it to you and you will have an attorney review it and you will get back to them. If they do get furious you have your answer. NEVER take a counter offer.
One thing I have learned is this - giving 2 weeks notice is something i would have always done... but now, no. I have heard of too many people giving 2 weeks notice and getting fired that same day! So what good is to tell you NEW employer "I can start in 2 weeks" when your CURRENT employer will/might fire you that day? Then you would go 2 weeks without any pay. So no more 2 weeks notice from me.
I gave my two weeks notice recently at a job to go back to another job and I work this coming Thursday and told them on October 22 that my last day would be October 6. They only scheduled me on October 26 and 29th. I am leaving since they are hardly giving me hours even though it is part-time at a grocery store and plus, that I'm not in their eyes, "working efficiently." I wouldn't be surprised if Thursday or if not this Sunday, they let me go before my shift ends. Oh well. I'm going to a competitor anyway also working part-time while yes, I'm making less money, I know they will give me more hours until I find full time work. I was recently 5 months ago let go from a job and it was my fault and was only unemployed 18 days and since I get little hours at my current job, I qualified for partial unemployment and now that unemployment is about to end, I need to find something which thankfully I have something lined up until I get full-time work. It came to a point that hardly working made unemployment deplete faster since I was working less and at the same thing, I was bored doing nothing while going on interviews for a few full time positions and getting nothing. I would work these two jobs currently, but they are competitors.
When a company fires someone, do they give them 2 weeks notice? NO. Therefore, I don't feel obligated to give an employer 2 weeks notice. There are exceptions depending upon the circumstances, but usually, no 2 weeks notice.
You are 100% correct, at my place its actual in the company handbook. If you resign via a 14 day notice, you can be let go the same day you give it to them. In addition, no sick days, PTO or any vacation time will be approved or paid for. But than keep in mind this point. I am in Illinois and if you have a state job and you leave without a 14 day notice, even if its more than justified (I was a victim of ageism, racism and sexism); not only did I give management letter in writing I testified to a judge several times, at the end I got screwed. I tried to go to another state government job, this triggered an alert and I cannot get work within the state. I tried to go from DHS to DCFS. So keep this in mind. Other jobs in private industry, not so much. You can be a screwball at one company and next month your the star employee somewhere else. Also some jobs are considered professional staff, so you just don't walk out. I hate to say it, just like we talk and dig information, so does employers. The system is rigged against employees.
One of my last jobs, after having spent many years of it in misery, when COVID hit and there were shutdowns, I had reassignments and then my boss let me go. The feeling was mutual between me and her and I left feeling liberated upon finding a more fitting job for me.
I was being mistreated in my recent job and new I needed to get another one but I worked hard and I didn’t have the energy to look for another one very much then finally had to just leave !! Now I’m looking hope I can find something !! 😔🙏
I quit because if it’s that bad anyway I’m just having to regather my energy and nerve to go back to the job and have little else to spend on an active job search. I left my last job because I was blatantly picking up slack of others and all I could do when I got home was lay down in silence. I was basically going to bed after work because I needed the extra rest. It was mentally wiping me out. That’s when it’s time to go. When I go to interviews I am candid about my departures. I do it purposely to the potential new employer as a warning shot to what I will put up with so if I don’t hear back from them I take it as a blessing. I’ve never seen more places hiring in my life than now so I don’t think employers can fairly be shocked at people quitting. Places aren’t hiring because things are wonderful. It’s because something toxic is going on. They know this. I collect feedback at all my jobs 😂. I pick brains and find out about turnovers. Employee loyalty right now is probably more based on how much debt and expenses a person has. Many hate their job and would quit if they could. I am a good dependable worker with great attendance record and no debts so it allows me to be selective so I quit when I want.
Bad jobs can really suck you in and take up most of your time and energy. There can be good colleagues and good money in terrible jobs, which will trick you into sticking it out but toxic management and an unachievable workload will mean you leave eventually, regretting you didn't leave earlier.
It's also the psychology behind applying for other jobs. I was in a situation where I didn;t like my circumstances and I was applying for lots of jobs. The strange thing was that as soon as I had even offers for interviews, it boosted my self worth. Constantly applying for jobs made me assert my skill set with every job I applied for, it kept me in control, kept my confidence up and regulary affirmed my skills and abilities...THEN you're in a mind-set to know what you want and where you want to be. Oh and never critise them on the way out, be couteous..smile...then bang you're gone.
The difference is that if you quit on your own, you will not get a severance package, which will fund your next move. That's why I recommend quiet quitting instead.
I just got fired man it sucked! It’s been one week and now I’m thinking it was actually a good thing. Going to go back to school and educate myself. My value wasn’t being seen at that job so I’m glad they let me go
After hearing this I kind of hope I get fired. I'm in the I don't like my job and want to move on stage, but most of the time when I'm not working, or doing stuff for/with my kids, chores, etc I'm trying to de-stress from the work and don't feel like job hunting.
That’s my situation. And when I do look the job descriptions just remind me of where I’m at currently. All my coworkers hate the job too but they say “oh you’ll just wind up somewhere as bad or worse” but i have more experience than them and I’ve never seen turnover, morale, and burnout like I have at this firm. This is my fourth firm. One my role was in a call center and it even had wayyyy less turnover.
I got fired a week ago. It was definitely for the best because i was not happy, I made mistakes and the senior manager would not effectively train me. She would throw twigs and sticks of information and expected me to master the process. It doesn’t work like that. I took responsibility for my mistakes. Not once did she take responsibility for being a horrible trainer. I really didn’t expect her to do that. Why would she? 😂😂😂😂😂
I have a supervisor who just cries, only calls me out out for something negative vs all the positives. Fat and has breathing problems and literally downed a packet of sugar to get a boost. Cringe.
At age 63, after more than 4 decades of employment there and 1.5 years before my planned retirement, corporate eliminated my position (and that of 5 others in R&D) to save overhead costs. I received 52 weeks of severance pay, and I had pensions and 401k, so wasn't to be financially affected when an HR Director I'd never heard of delivered the news. I basically told her that it was inappropriate to not allow a person with over 40 years with the company to have a say in their own retirement. When she mentioned outplacement services, I asked her what planet she lived on, as companies generally do not hire 63 year old folks. When she stated that I could take that afternoon off, I replied that I had a commitment to my internal co-workers to deliver results by 3pm, and that I keep my commitments. Unlike the other 5 folks released, I did not have an exit interview....
52 weeks of severance and 401 grand retirement, why are you complaining? If my company gave me £38,000(52 weeks take home) and i had a pension of half of yours, I'd leave tomorrow, where do I sign? I'm only 46...
They did a similar thing to me although not as much time as your 40 years! Our unit was permanently eliminated but due to COVID the 5 of us were laid off over a Zoom meeting. Nice, right? Nothing like that personal touch via web cam. Former boss didn't even have the decency to turn on the video of her camera. The other coworkers had even more time invested into the organization (I was the new guy the whole time). One had 37 years and another had 35. I was 57 years old and 4 years from my planned retirement with full pension and maybe even a cake to celebrate. Never got a chance to say goodbye to coworkers, had to have a security escort and given 20 minutes to empty my desk and take out my personal items. Received 12 month's severance, plus 3 months notice, plus 2 months accumulated vacation. Tax man took much of it away but it was still a pretty good payout. Declined the exit interview (why?) and accepted the 1-on-1 employment consultant because why not and because it cost the organization about $5k. I briefly looked for work but nobody wants to hire someone my age with my specialty and with the wage I was earning. To add insult another unit contacted be a few weeks later and offered to hire me back as a contractor at about half my wage. I declined because it just didn't feel right. We were betrayed. We could have fought the layoff but we got such a sizable severance that there was no point. Took early pension, have money in the bank and few expenses. Disappointing end to what was a good career but the whole organization went to hell after we left. Several of my former coworkers quit and obviously didn't get the payout we did so it actually turned out well for us. I now spend more time with the wife who works part-time from home and have far less stress in my life. Life is good. I still miss my job because it was part of me and I was good at it but I'm quite satisfied with where I am now.
@@italianstallion9170 I think you misunderstand: "401k" doesn't mean "410,000 dollars." in the USA, a 401(k) plan is an employer-sponsored retirement savings account. One funds it through deductions on each paycheck, sometimes with the employer contributing some proportionate amount. After 40 years there could be quite a bit of money in there, depending on investments, but just how much wasn't stated by the OP.
I was taken in and read your piece and it’s almost identical to my situation atm, other than in the UK you get 1 months pay for a year of loyal employment…
background check will never find out either you are getting fired, laid off or quit especially if you live in the US so it is completely unnecessary to quit the job.
Best choice I did was just throw my self head 1st and pray...and it worked new job and I love it and 98% less stress (looking for a job and working wasn't functioning for me,i just didn't try hard enough to find a new one)
Update it has not gone as good as I expected but can't complain tbh but I still don't have a good job but I did move from state and bought a new house outthere but it has bin very rough, just got an opportunity at Amazon I'm going to take it
My Company Let me go over a video call, it had record button which I did. The reason for firing me was highly, highly illegal. Took them to court, they flat out lied to the judge, I played the video for the judge ( didnt bother getting a lawyer).. Judge just glared at the 3 Lawyers really angrily. He told them to go to the coference room with me and work something out because they were in deep Sh6t for lying. Well.. I retired at age 48... actually, they are paying me monthly from an escrow account they had to set up that pays me 3% more yearly till age 72.
I Just landed a much more challenging job with double the pay increase and amazing benefits. If I can give anyone advice about a new job I would say just make the jump
It is mch better to be fired than to retire. I did the quite quitting thing that wasn't all that quite until they finally had to offer me a package. I received 13 months of salary continuation (including pension contributions and extended medical benefits) that actually took me past my 65th birthday.
You hit it spot on. I lost my warehouse job last week that i’ve hated but I wanted to quit instead of getting fired. Since I hated it I was putting in low effort and got fired. I’ve been wanting to get into sales for a couple months, & now I have no choice but to get the sales job I’ve been wanting
updating for anyone who’s been fired. it all worked out for the best! i now have a sales job doing doing to door with verizon. and i work with an amazing team! keep your head up guys
@@psychonaut168 But I was curious as I heard if you are fired then the next person won't hire you because you have to reference the previous place and they fired you? How did you overcome that?
background check will never find out either you are getting fired, laid off or quit especially if you live in the US so it is completely unnecessary to quit the job.
Getting fired, gets you unemployment and time not to worry about bills... If I wanted to leave a job, I took the job while on vacation for 2 weeks to decide if I liked it better.... My Dad got a call from the owner of a car dealership he was the business manager for and told my Dad to reduce commission on Shop Manager.. My Dad so no, we made an agreement. He told me Dad if he was not going to do it, then he should not come in on Monday... My Dad said, OK.. Filed unemployment, stayed on it until it ran out, then retired.
You will know that you hate your job and it's time to move on if on Sunday around 8 PM you start feeling depressed about having to go back. Best thing is to quit and move on. Find something else. All jobs suck in the end.
I agree with this 100% I always make the decisive choice to quit. If you have savings and dont need to rush, you will find a much better job by giving yourself room to find it.
I usually pay my bills for four months and quit. Thirty day reset is awesome. Individuals should keep a personal severance account, so when you need to quit a job or get fired you will be ok until your next job...
This is what i needed to hear, been with the company 33 years. Company just gets WORSE and worse, want me to work Sundays, well i dont work Sundays, so i called off every Sunday and now they fire me,
Quitting and getting fired have their pros and cons but quitting tends to be the better choice due to it not really affecting you and you leave on your *own* terms. Or course having another job lined up is important so there wouldn't be any huge gaps in pay.
background check will never find out either you are getting fired, laid off or quit especially if you live in the US so it is completely unnecessary to quit the job.
Someone close to me was given the option of quitting or being fired. She didn't quit, and was fired a couple months later. She wondered if she had taken the best course of action. She was almost 70 y/o when this happened, and I told her it worked out the best for her, for two reasons: a) she was able to work for a couple more months, and b) she collected unemployment for a year. This was in early 2008, and although we sought new opportunities for her, there weren't any available, and although she would have liked to work longer, she was in a financial position to be able to retire, so this is what she ended up doing. I remind her that her course of action worked out to be the best for her--she had 'lost the battle but won the war'!
My boss (and owner of the small company where I work) also said he wouldn’t fire anyone because he doesn’t want to pay unemployment. Instead, he makes my life and the lives of my coworkers a living hell on a daily basis. He likes to push people out and seems to enjoy torturing his employees. He treats us all like we are his enemies but yet proclaims to us all that we ALL love working there because it’s the best company and he is a stellar boss. 😐🙄🤮
@SDsearcher I've been there. They know they fall under the EEOC requirements(50 or more employees) as a small business. It's torture - they lied to the DHS about me violating an attendance policy they never had, which led to my benefits being denied.😢
@@SDsearcherDo something so bad that he will have no choice but to fire you. Maybe tell him everything you have though about him, insult his family, tell him how horrible he is and how they all laugh at what a joke of an employer and human being he is. Taunt him to get so angry that he explodes and fires you. Force him into firing you. Push over shelves. Push things off desks. Throw a tantrum. Even if you sit there all day, refuse to do your work and if he complains, say "Make me".
@@dhenderson1810 thankfully I didn’t have to go to extremes! I finally found another job! A great job with a nice boss who treats me with respect. I have twice the number of paid holidays than I did at my other job. Flexible hours. Closer to home. It took a long time, but I am finally free of that awful place. Hallelujah.
I spent 14 years at one employer when I realized I wasn't paid enough. I left even though I was considering being a "lifer." That was in 2016, and I've switched companies twice since then and now my current role is paying me 338% more. This current job was not what I thought it would be and I felt stuck. For me I'm lucky in that I just found out my current job is ending now so I'm finding myself on the job market again. Thank you for this helpful video, its a good encouragement that with this extra time I can regroup and find the role that actually fits for me.... it also nice that I have a few months before my severance runs out to find it, so I 'm stressing out needing a paycheck tomorrow. You got a sub from me!
Getting fired feels worse because it can rock your confidence. Sometimes if you know you were in the right, you may feel still a bit better about it but a firing stings. I’ve been laid off twice and I never felt anything other than concern for how I will find a job.
When you went for a new position, how did you overcome that you were let go? I always have to put last employer on references before you can even get an interview. So am always afraid if they will say anything negative. Do you just tell the new employer you were let go or how did you overcome the firing and rehiring process?
@@kewlenjo219 I didn’t include the job on my resume. I explained to my new employer that I had taken a gap in work to take care of some things in my personal life. Most decent employers will accept that
Always try to quit on your terms and on your time table. Plus, always have another job lined up before you quit. Quitting without another job lined up means you are too emotional and that is a warning to another potential employer. Lastly, if you have a job they have to meet or beat that pay, perks, etc. in order to get you. If you are unemployed they can offer you dick and you will take it. Always be in a position to negotiate.
A big thanks for this video which is spot on! I'd like to share my experience although I live an Germany and the legal situation here is surely different from the one in the US. I once had a job that was destroying me to a point that I had no energy whatsoever to search for something better. So I did exactly what is advised in the video: I quit and started searching afterwards. The unemployment agency didn't appreciate my move and put me on hold so that I didn't get any financial assistance at the beginning. You're also not treated very nicely by the staff. I had a rough idea of the field that I would like to transition into but the way there turned out to be much harder than imagined. I had some nasty discussions with good friends and family members during that period as being unemployed is looked down upon in Germany and they didn't want to be associated with a loser. Finally, after more than a year, I managed to get a job in exactly the field that I wanted. I had lived a very frugal live and only lost about 20 K EUR on my way there. But already the starting salary was so much higher that I recovered my losses within two years. It was tough but I don't regret having quit without a new job back then. Moral of the story: it can make sense to adopt the strategy proposed in the video. Especially if your job is literally killing you or you want to move to a completely different field. However, be prepared that it can take longer than foreseen, that you'll lose a 5 digit sum of money, and that some people in your surroundings will sneer at you.
It is true that all circumstances are different and that it can take time to find something or start something. Every circumstance is different. The only overall universal that I think I see is that we often stay longer than needed, even if we need the time. And it can be so hard to make the leap when you are still in a comfortable rut. Thanks for the thoughts shared Hey You!
@@kendallevans4079 You would avoid all confusion by not assuming people recognize the same acronyms you're used to-especially in such a diverse environment as this is with people from other countries as well. It is called the "acronym paradox"- you think you save time and keystrokes, but you are actually hurting the communication process by using them!
@@cuivre2004 I'm 65 years old so don't tell me about acronyms. Today's Gen X/Z have taken it to absurd lengths. "EDD" is very common in the US, as for others outside the USA, the whole subject has nothing to do with them so I don't care if they get it or not.
Basically, what you are saying is that nothing beats the motivation of finding your next meal ticked than to involuntarily lose your usual source of it.
Thank you. I have savings and have been wanting to quit an extremely toxic environment that has been seriously affecting my health. I have such a hard time quitting without anything else lined up, but I've already been passed up on interviews because I didn't have the time or availability to interview in a short enough time frame.
Wow! This is exactly what I’m going through. I knew the job was a mess from the start but have been muscling through. When I get home, I’m so mentally drained that I spend little time job searching. Just yesterday, I was told I’m failing at work and am being silently terminated. I’m not sure if I’m fired or being encouraged to resign. I guess we’ll see on Monday.
@@kanthakathewhite1012 received an apology the following Monday......now they're on me again (the top manager. I guess he's mad because their trick didn't work). I'm going to weather this storm! Thank you for checking on me. I hope you're well.
@@jennysoapdish4502 thank you for checking. I’m still at the same job and have personal things going on so I haven’t applied for other employment this month. Workplace is still mess but this last month hasn’t been so bad for me (but has been for others). Still being grateful.
Michael, thank you. I needed this. I got fired last week because I am not motivated and not showing initiative, which I am not, cause my boss never let me do anything. But since I am still studying (until September next year), I never wanted to quit and have decided to stay a few months until the end of my studies, even though I am miserable. But the company decided to do something else and probably, in the end, do me a favour. I have started applying for another job and hope something will work out.
I would recommend to my kids who are getting to the age of starting their careers…..always always treat the first 6 months to a year or even 2 years as a “probation” period for both you AND your employer. Have a backup plan, always, in that time span. After you reach 2 years at an employer, you can probably figure it is a good long term relationship and can endure, and a backup plan is not quite necessary. Do NOT get comfy cozy in a job until then.
I needed to hear this today. I resigned from a new job yesterday after two weeks. I feel less stressed playing hooky as well. Searching for the new one now.
In Ireland: Make sure you have another job lined up before quitting. If you get fired, the employer needs to be 100% sure it's the correct decision or they could be liable for 'unfair dismissal' and could be sued. Also you can go and claim benefits or 'job seekers allowance' until you find another job.
This is an important reminder to everyone. You may still be able to collect unemployment if you resign/quit on valid legal grounds. You may not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired on valid legal grounds.
Finding a job is another full time job. Esp when companies ask if you can come in for in person interview in the middle of day. Like they disregard the fact you have a job yourself. But find it appealing for the candidate to still be in their job. lmao. Thank you. I feel. Easier to committ to a search when I have the hours to prep and continue develop myself.
It is better to arrive than it is to flee. It is best to execute a solid plan and leave on your terms to start a better job. But sometimes one must flee a toxic job with no new job in place in order to have a better life. Each situation is a bit unique. Critical, clear minded, honest analysis of the pros and cons of each decision but not procrastinating is the answer.
If you quit, you have to walk less of tight rope when trying to get another job. If you get fired, you can collect unemployment benefits. But you're going have to do a great balancing act when trying to get another job.
I have always been fired, and have told employers that they would have to drag me out kicking , and screaming . Enough of them have taken me up on it, but I won't quit unless it's my idea .
Its easier to get & file for unemployment if fired. And on your new employment applications put 'conflict of interest' when asked why you were fired of quite.
The advice may suck, but it is doable. I don't like the games and want to start looking. However, when you mention that people are "looking to leave but not go somewhere" that is me and I need to do better.
Always keep time line note of each and every incident relating workplace bullying and acts of intimidation. Make sure to review the workplace contract or employment agreement and take time line notes of every breach of agreement committed by the employer. With this ammunition, you can quit or get fired and still be eligible for unemployment benefits. They can even help line you up with a better job. I used to quit my job with DHS-ORS every year due to breach of contract every fall and received benefits each time. By spring, openings would happen. It was a lousy job, so it was easy to collect unemployment for the winter months.
It´s always like gambling, you never know how fast you will get a new job and which problems or potential toxicity you will face. If you will get something better or maybe something worse...that´s why I think it´s most safe to search for a new job first and THEN quit the old one...esp. when you had to deal with some toxicity like bullying or something like that, it´s the best feeling to be able to say you got something better and leaving with a good feeling...but I also in the past was fired from a job with a very toxic invironment and it was a relief. I often quit jobs and got new ones and I don´t regret that I have done that...I never worked longer than 5 years in a company
I feel like if you don’t get laid off due to like closure or relocation then if you quit you are best off relocating to another city yourself. It seems if you’re new in town employers are more receptive to hiring the unemployed.
I got laid off when an office closed but they gave me a severance and I found a new job in 4 months. I'm not sure if I would have left otherwise but my stress and anxiety levels are so much lower these days.
lol, getting laid off is really not all that different from being fired. Theoretically, it is better to be employed while you're looking, but most places don't check. I've been at an interview while having a job, and basically being interrogated about why did I leave this job that I've been at for 7 years. What's worse is they're asking about positions I left that have nothing similar to the field I'm being interviewed for. Some Human Resources are questionable.
"Looking to leave...not looking to GO somewhere". Wish I had found this video before I quit - would have looked for and found a better job first, without putting myself into a tailspin.
No one can ever prepare for the inevitable. Best advice I can give? Try to save money for a rainy day, ideally if you can save at least 6 to 12 months of salary, If they fire you out of the blue, at least you go into thrift mode and have enough until you get it together with another job. The fear of losing a job, is not the job, but the income and the problems it brings. I see this employment thing kinda like do eat dog. One day the employer has the upper hand and fires you or the employee finds a better job and quits and leave the company and your co-workers in a bad situation. I hate how a company wants this true company loyalty and they will fire you for any reason or no reason at all.
Every time I quit my job it felt amazing because it wasn’t for me or it was disappointed in the ethics involved with where I worked. Until I found a job that was motivating myself to grow and be a better person and fulfilled at work.
My problem with my current job schedule is it’s so draining and I literally don’t have time to job search save a few hours in the morning. I work 10am-6pm Mon-Fri.
It's better to get fired not because you get some extra money but because you are maybe wrong about what your boss is "planning" and you may quit while your boss prepare you for promotion.
Think again about it, he is becoming more hard to you because you are about to get a higher role in there and more critical position so you need to understand some things and finish some other jobs there. He may give you the promotion right after.
@@giannaras2010 I thought that was their M.O. in my situation- turns out they weren't that high of level of thinker. It was there way of downsizing their employee numbers in order to make their bottom line look better for a sell off to another company.
I work for a small mom and pop (even worse, husband and wife) business. Been there 5 months, do my job well. The toxicity of that environment is off the charts. She is vile and constantly verbally abusive, always arguing with her husband, talking about me with him, even though I can easily hear what she's saying. Obviously, this is going to end, one way or the other. Considering this situation and future job interviews, isn't it best for me to quit, and explain why? If I get fired, how would my claim of a toxic work environment hold up?
So, I'm not an employment lawyer (nor do I play one on television, LOL!) which means that I can't really intelligently address any potential claims. However I would say that it is my understanding and experience that "toxicity" is really hard to prove and I don't even believe that "generally toxic" is something you can make some legal claim about, usually there has to be clear harassment based on a protected category. You might be headed for a "he said, she said" thing that just goes nowhere. But, again, if you really want to know talk to a lawyer who actually knows something about this. If you have already figured out this is a bad place and you are in the midst of looking, the question becomes "when do I leave?" and that is totally up to you and your situation. If you can effectively ignore their behavior and continue your search unabated, do it. If you can't tolerate them, quit. But have your plan to absorb the loss of income and what you intend to say to your next potential employer. "It was not a great fit for me and I left to focus full time on a new role." is fine to say, IMHO.
I was in the same type environment. Thankfully, she laid me off. Then she tried to block my benefits. I knew by then to save ALL the voicemails she had left and played them for the unemployment person who called me. Now that bitch has permanent notes on file with the local unemployment department and won't be able to lock anyone else from getting benefits.
Quitting is on your own term . My last work place was so toxic I have to called it quits for my physical and mental health . After that I took some time to heal emotionally which help me with my physical health .
@@smoothiecutie2277 feel better soon . It took me 2 yrs to build up my confidence. Before going back into the rat race. And this time i am wiser . Bcuz I know my worth .
This advise is good but it is not an easy decision. If you have a really good job (you do not want to quit) and for any reason they no longer want you there then quiting or getting fired is more or less the same. In your job's interview they will ask you why you quit and answer that will be harder than explaining a firing. In general, good jobs or prestigious companies give you the option of quit or get fired, because they know that they are damaging your career. To recover from leaving a very good and prestigious job can get you from 2 to 5 years of hard work.
Yea not sure I get this. I understand the whole career day to day searching for another job. All that was fine. The result of finding a new better job after being fired vs quitting when they found a better one was just happenstance. I'm glad it worked out but if it didn't would there be a different view point? Yea the pressure and sole focus after being fired might be something that some people need to. Idk.... I just expected a comparison to how you're viewed socially and by the next employer for getting fired vs leavin on your own accord.
I agree. This happened to me recently. I wasn't pleased at all with the environment and the type of mentality where I used to work. Everyone working there warned me about this ''familiy business'' and the high turnover. I wanted to stick it out long enough in order to find a better position. It's not easy to search for a new job when you're already working. Try justifing leaving early in order to go to interviews during the day.
I once accepted a position with a company that held their interviews during working hours. That was a red flag that I should have not ignored. I would not recommend working for such companies.
@@orome9793 Well. Luckily I am now self employed. In my opinion, if companies are not prepared to interview after office hours they are not worth working for.
I once got fired from a job...I worked at a convenience store. Thing is I accidentally sold alcohol to a minor (would never do that on purpose, and I was the goody two-shoes employee). Also, working as a convenience store employee is a surprisingly stressful and dangerous job. I had several gas leaks and we got some cigarettes stolen.
I think it really depends on if the new employer you're applying/interviewing with actually does an actual, legit background check on you. If not, you're good to go either way if you got fired or quit your previous job(s).
I wouldn't be so harsh. Michael is making a good point here which is valid in itself. However, the title is indeed misleading. It should have been something like: "Stay or quit immediately - What's the better strategy to find a new job?"
WAY better to quit (based on personal experience, lol), but in this day and age of unprecedented economic anxiety it doesn't really matter which. Only thing that matters is finding the one thing in your current life cycle that most resonates with you AND HOLDING ON TO IT FOR AS LONG AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!!! Besides, if the current powers that be actually had their way they would bring slavery back in a heartbeat and that would be that. 🙄😮💨😔🤷♀
1:49 I tried to do this myself, and this is exactly what happened to me. I wanted to leave for a long time but couldn't because of other reasons, but about a month later the HR lady just came up to me and forced me to submit my resignation. I have yet to find a new job, but I plan to take a bit of time to prepare and apply for a worthwhile job and not just the next listing I come across.
Quit gives you satisfaction of saying "up yours" quit means you cant rely on a new employer contacting them. Better to bide your time, bite your lip, find something...anything else & move on "gracefully".
I quit my job after 33 years but i have another job to start right away and one of the questions they ask me in the interview was why i want to leave my job All i said was i want to do something diferent to no tell him that i was miserable at my current job, when i said that i was leaving they offer me more money and i said i dont want more money i want peace of mine,i start my new job on monday making more money.
I left a good job for another with more pay and benefits...big mistake, it was a company from hell...after a year i was just hopping to get fire, that day came, de hr lady started to give me a lecture, I told her to save it, just give me my check, She was piss, I was so relief, wet straight to unemployment office.
I am currently working for an owner of a small niche company with his son, and 3 other workers, and it’s so awkward. The owner is maybe in his late 60s, is loud and crass. I remember him yelling and cussing out the outside yard maintenance guy for using the leaf blower near the door because the owner left it open. His son is in his late 30s, and is nice, and more professional. However, he is like the second in command, so I can’t really vent to anyone because he’s always there. Maybe once or twice a week someone makes small talk, but no one really does because they don’t want to be yelled at by the owner for not working. The only issue is it gets so slow and boring because I’m the one assigned to answer calls, which I don’t mind, and help sell or complete orders over the phone. It does get slow and I get bored. Then the owner tells his son to assign me to do other tasks while still answering calls. When I signed up for this job I was expecting to do all the customer service tasks, and not the other tasks because I’m caught up with my tasks. I guess I miss the autonomy of working at a big premium dealership with a lot of staff and customers that that I can communicate with as a service advisor, which I enjoyed as well as the pay, but unfortunately a new manager was hired and the hours changed. I really miss what I did, but it’s hard to find a similar position with great hours. It’s a minimum 10-11 hours a day. The only positive with this small business is the hours, because I’m obligated to drop off my kids and pick them up from school.
I think the concept of holding while looking makes sense sometimes. It's often easier to get a job if you have one, too. But that focus aspect is strong. Plus there's the mental health toll if the environment is legitimately toxic (as opposed to just annoying). So... I think I agree with both sides on this. As to quitting over firing... Weigh the consequences. Resignations don't come with unemployment, and that's a significant concern sometimes. On the other hand, controlling your exit can make a difference on your narrative with future employers. In my experience, this is a judgement call
just remember getting fired provides a safety net of unemployment benefits based on why you got fired while you look for something better, quitting leaves you stranded with nothing, and unless your job is a important to mention. dont even put it on your resume for the next one, if they ask why you been unemployed for so long just tell them you uber, or a side hustle, or the best one you where taking care of a ageing relative and being compensated for it with room and board
Every time I lost my job or quit I have always found a better job and never regretted it.
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What a Blessing!
I can’t even find a job related to my degrees where I live. That’s right, I said degrees, plural.
@@Gaming_Antics danggone shame!
@@Gaming_Antics Might have to look outside your area. What degrees do you have
When one door closes, another door opens 🚪💰
Usually your boss won't come straight out and say "we don't like you working for us and we want you to leave and the longer you stay the more we're going to make your job difficult."
And they seem to think there's nothing wrong with that. I always humiliate employers like this now. I tell them, say it to my face what you really think. I don't care if you fire me or why but just be a man and f*cking say it. Usually they can't because they are cowards who feel guilty because they are only firing you out of insecurity. You're never good enough for a bully boss. Don't try.
@@williamlevy6964 They fear legal liability. That's all.
The employer also will test your upper threshold and stack more assignments and/or duties on your plate until either you cannot take it anymore and get performance managed, or you get fed up and leave.
Your experience may vary, but I've never regretted leaving any job I've left. Never.
If you've been somewhere 29 years and then you get fired that actually looks great for the employee. Apparently they liked you enough for 29 years now all the sudden there's a problem...yeah right.
I was treated like dirt in a job I had with a call center some years ago. I was given the graveyard shift all summer when my colleagues were on leave. I was doing a great job or so I was told, after returning from leave I was set up to fail at every turn by backstabbing colleagues/supervisor.. there was nothing wrong when it suited and everything wrong when it didn't suit...
@@gerardsloan1593 hmmm would you not recommend call center environments for work?
I wouldn't recommend it. But if you are in dire straits of money (do it until you get something better), if you are young school/college leaver and need work and the experience (do it until you get something better). As soon as you join work on an exit strategy (almost immediately). I never had office/admin/telephony experience until I joined call center, but had more than enough afterwards. I used my experience to get a better job with better pay and benefits, and have been promoted twice since I joined my current employer (government sector with government pension and benefits). Use it as a launching pad. In the call center, the customers were bad but colleagues were worse - two types of evil lol..
@@idontknowwhattoputhere.3572 not if you like having a soul 😂 could be good money tho
The problem is they don't want to pay you a fat retirement for no work.
No one really cares why you lost your job everyone gets fired eventually for all kinds of dumb reasons. Never quit make them fire you so they have to pay you unemployment. If you quit they dont have to.
Some states don't allow unemployment if you get fired with cause.
Yes they do. In 2009 I could not find anything and it destroyed my career. 2022 is abnormal. When you have 20 applications per job HR can be assholes and simply throw your resume in the trash. Presently employed is a requirement then but of course they wont say it publicly
I live in Canada where unemployment benefits are a privilege and only 50% of seekers are eligible.
@@DaTiger45 In California, most people can still collect unemployment insurance even if, technically, they were fired. Companies won't challenge the former employee when they try to collect unemployment insurance because they want to avoid lawsuits, and because some genuinely feel bad that their former employee is now without a job.
@@suncat9 you lost me at California. No one likes you
The longer you stay, the more you are pushed to you-know-what and do what NEEDS to be done. And they KNOW it and go into defense mode to villify, criminalize, demonize, smear your character and credibility. Sometimes you need to step out on faith vs go to prison for committing justice.
A job I hated, but worked at until I could find something better, wanted me to sign a letter of resignation. I told them I couldn't because if I quit, I can't collect unemployment. The manager was furious. I found out they were letting me go to keep a long term employee from another store of the failing chain. Had a friend get fired from Wackenhut. Instead of firing him outright, they would keep him on at 0 hours per week. He had to make some phone calls, but eventually collected unemployment.
Employers are awful selfish people in general. They want slaves, not staff.
Never sign anything on the spot - tell them to email it to you and you will have an attorney review it and you will get back to them. If they do get furious you have your answer.
NEVER take a counter offer.
Good.......fuck these companies always taking folks for a spin for real.
American corporations are evil - fk them
@@Stoic_optimist_realistwhat’s a counter offer
Quitting feels so much better.
One thing I have learned is this - giving 2 weeks notice is something i would have always done... but now, no. I have heard of too many people giving 2 weeks notice and getting fired that same day! So what good is to tell you NEW employer "I can start in 2 weeks" when your CURRENT employer will/might fire you that day? Then you would go 2 weeks without any pay. So no more 2 weeks notice from me.
I gave my two weeks notice recently at a job to go back to another job and I work this coming Thursday and told them on October 22 that my last day would be October 6. They only scheduled me on October 26 and 29th. I am leaving since they are hardly giving me hours even though it is part-time at a grocery store and plus, that I'm not in their eyes, "working efficiently." I wouldn't be surprised if Thursday or if not this Sunday, they let me go before my shift ends. Oh well. I'm going to a competitor anyway also working part-time while yes, I'm making less money, I know they will give me more hours until I find full time work. I was recently 5 months ago let go from a job and it was my fault and was only unemployed 18 days and since I get little hours at my current job, I qualified for partial unemployment and now that unemployment is about to end, I need to find something which thankfully I have something lined up until I get full-time work. It came to a point that hardly working made unemployment deplete faster since I was working less and at the same thing, I was bored doing nothing while going on interviews for a few full time positions and getting nothing. I would work these two jobs currently, but they are competitors.
Take some time off between gigs.
When a company fires someone, do they give them 2 weeks notice? NO. Therefore, I don't feel obligated to give an employer 2 weeks notice. There are exceptions depending upon the circumstances, but usually, no 2 weeks notice.
You can probably collect unemployment if they let you go
You are 100% correct, at my place its actual in the company handbook. If you resign via a 14 day notice, you can be let go the same day you give it to them. In addition, no sick days, PTO or any vacation time will be approved or paid for. But than keep in mind this point. I am in Illinois and if you have a state job and you leave without a 14 day notice, even if its more than justified (I was a victim of ageism, racism and sexism); not only did I give management letter in writing I testified to a judge several times, at the end I got screwed. I tried to go to another state government job, this triggered an alert and I cannot get work within the state. I tried to go from DHS to DCFS. So keep this in mind. Other jobs in private industry, not so much. You can be a screwball at one company and next month your the star employee somewhere else. Also some jobs are considered professional staff, so you just don't walk out. I hate to say it, just like we talk and dig information, so does employers. The system is rigged against employees.
One of my last jobs, after having spent many years of it in misery, when COVID hit and there were shutdowns, I had reassignments and then my boss let me go. The feeling was mutual between me and her and I left feeling liberated upon finding a more fitting job for me.
I was being mistreated in my recent job and new I needed to get another one but I worked hard and I didn’t have the energy to look for another one very much then finally had to just leave !! Now I’m looking hope I can find something !! 😔🙏
How about an update?
@@goobernoodles I found one low paying but steady !! 😊🙏
@@MikeKelsoJr Awesome man, congrats!
@@MikeKelsoJr give me steady and low paying over high paying and wondering if I'm going to get fired the next day.
First you have to do is a two week vacation of sleeping. Then you start making a resume and go to interviews.
I quit because if it’s that bad anyway I’m just having to regather my energy and nerve to go back to the job and have little else to spend on an active job search. I left my last job because I was blatantly picking up slack of others and all I could do when I got home was lay down in silence. I was basically going to bed after work because I needed the extra rest. It was mentally wiping me out. That’s when it’s time to go. When I go to interviews I am candid about my departures. I do it purposely to the potential new employer as a warning shot to what I will put up with so if I don’t hear back from them I take it as a blessing. I’ve never seen more places hiring in my life than now so I don’t think employers can fairly be shocked at people quitting. Places aren’t hiring because things are wonderful. It’s because something toxic is going on. They know this. I collect feedback at all my jobs 😂. I pick brains and find out about turnovers. Employee loyalty right now is probably more based on how much debt and expenses a person has. Many hate their job and would quit if they could. I am a good dependable worker with great attendance record and no debts so it allows me to be selective so I quit when I want.
Bad jobs can really suck you in and take up most of your time and energy. There can be good colleagues and good money in terrible jobs, which will trick you into sticking it out but toxic management and an unachievable workload will mean you leave eventually, regretting you didn't leave earlier.
It's also the psychology behind applying for other jobs. I was in a situation where I didn;t like my circumstances and I was applying for lots of jobs. The strange thing was that as soon as I had even offers for interviews, it boosted my self worth. Constantly applying for jobs made me assert my skill set with every job I applied for, it kept me in control, kept my confidence up and regulary affirmed my skills and abilities...THEN you're in a mind-set to know what you want and where you want to be. Oh and never critise them on the way out, be couteous..smile...then bang you're gone.
The difference is that if you quit on your own, you will not get a severance package, which will fund your next move. That's why I recommend quiet quitting instead.
Lmao quiet quitting 🤣💀
Anybody and I mean anybody that takes advice from an ignorant TH-camr has got to have their head examined
😅Like the terminology, quiet quitting. 😂
I just got fired man it sucked! It’s been one week and now I’m thinking it was actually a good thing. Going to go back to school and educate myself. My value wasn’t being seen at that job so I’m glad they let me go
School will just indoctrinate you. You should learn a trade
How is it going now one year later??
🎉Good for you! You'll be okay. By now you should definitely be on your way.
After hearing this I kind of hope I get fired. I'm in the I don't like my job and want to move on stage, but most of the time when I'm not working, or doing stuff for/with my kids, chores, etc I'm trying to de-stress from the work and don't feel like job hunting.
That’s my situation. And when I do look the job descriptions just remind me of where I’m at currently. All my coworkers hate the job too but they say “oh you’ll just wind up somewhere as bad or worse” but i have more experience than them and I’ve never seen turnover, morale, and burnout like I have at this firm. This is my fourth firm. One my role was in a call center and it even had wayyyy less turnover.
Handing in a letter of polite resignation 2 year early retirement was one of the greatest parts of my life .
I got fired a week ago. It was definitely for the best because i was not happy, I made mistakes and the senior manager would not effectively train me. She would throw twigs and sticks of information and expected me to master the process. It doesn’t work like that. I took responsibility for my mistakes. Not once did she take responsibility for being a horrible trainer. I really didn’t expect her to do that. Why would she? 😂😂😂😂😂
I have a supervisor who just cries, only calls me out out for something negative vs all the positives. Fat and has breathing problems and literally downed a packet of sugar to get a boost. Cringe.
literally my life
Same here. Hr is worse than the managers too.
At age 63, after more than 4 decades of employment there and 1.5 years before my planned retirement, corporate eliminated my position (and that of 5 others in R&D) to save overhead costs. I received 52 weeks of severance pay, and I had pensions and 401k, so wasn't to be financially affected when an HR Director I'd never heard of delivered the news. I basically told her that it was inappropriate to not allow a person with over 40 years with the company to have a say in their own retirement. When she mentioned outplacement services, I asked her what planet she lived on, as companies generally do not hire 63 year old folks. When she stated that I could take that afternoon off, I replied that I had a commitment to my internal co-workers to deliver results by 3pm, and that I keep my commitments. Unlike the other 5 folks released, I did not have an exit interview....
52 weeks of severance and 401 grand retirement, why are you complaining? If my company gave me £38,000(52 weeks take home) and i had a pension of half of yours, I'd leave tomorrow, where do I sign? I'm only 46...
They did a similar thing to me although not as much time as your 40 years! Our unit was permanently eliminated but due to COVID the 5 of us were laid off over a Zoom meeting. Nice, right? Nothing like that personal touch via web cam. Former boss didn't even have the decency to turn on the video of her camera. The other coworkers had even more time invested into the organization (I was the new guy the whole time). One had 37 years and another had 35. I was 57 years old and 4 years from my planned retirement with full pension and maybe even a cake to celebrate. Never got a chance to say goodbye to coworkers, had to have a security escort and given 20 minutes to empty my desk and take out my personal items. Received 12 month's severance, plus 3 months notice, plus 2 months accumulated vacation. Tax man took much of it away but it was still a pretty good payout.
Declined the exit interview (why?) and accepted the 1-on-1 employment consultant because why not and because it cost the organization about $5k. I briefly looked for work but nobody wants to hire someone my age with my specialty and with the wage I was earning. To add insult another unit contacted be a few weeks later and offered to hire me back as a contractor at about half my wage. I declined because it just didn't feel right. We were betrayed. We could have fought the layoff but we got such a sizable severance that there was no point. Took early pension, have money in the bank and few expenses. Disappointing end to what was a good career but the whole organization went to hell after we left. Several of my former coworkers quit and obviously didn't get the payout we did so it actually turned out well for us.
I now spend more time with the wife who works part-time from home and have far less stress in my life. Life is good. I still miss my job because it was part of me and I was good at it but I'm quite satisfied with where I am now.
@@optophobe Understand exactly.
@@italianstallion9170 I think you misunderstand: "401k" doesn't mean "410,000 dollars." in the USA, a 401(k) plan is an employer-sponsored retirement savings account. One funds it through deductions on each paycheck, sometimes with the employer contributing some proportionate amount. After 40 years there could be quite a bit of money in there, depending on investments, but just how much wasn't stated by the OP.
I was taken in and read your piece and it’s almost identical to my situation atm, other than in the UK you get 1 months pay for a year of loyal employment…
One key thing to remember about quitting your job is that it can make it less likely you'll qualify for unemployment. Employers count on this.
background check will never find out either you are getting fired, laid off or quit especially if you live in the US so it is completely unnecessary to quit the job.
i got fired for putting in a two weeks notice
That is common, it seems. Like people are too stupid to not take or sabotage stuff BEFORE they give notice! LOL!
Me too.
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Today it seems most employers even honor 2 weeks notice
Just enjoy the two weeks off between jobs.
Best choice I did was just throw my self head 1st and pray...and it worked new job and I love it and 98% less stress (looking for a job and working wasn't functioning for me,i just didn't try hard enough to find a new one)
I just prayed earlier this morning for a new job. God is in control. Glad it worked out for you.
I highly recommend this strategy!
Update it has not gone as good as I expected but can't complain tbh but I still don't have a good job but I did move from state and bought a new house outthere but it has bin very rough, just got an opportunity at Amazon I'm going to take it
@@keepitthoro6768hope your situation improves. Stay the course.
I will walk out without notice...
My Company Let me go over a video call, it had record button which I did. The reason for firing me was highly, highly illegal. Took them to court, they flat out lied to the judge, I played the video for the judge ( didnt bother getting a lawyer).. Judge just glared at the 3 Lawyers really angrily. He told them to go to the coference room with me and work something out because they were in deep Sh6t for lying. Well.. I retired at age 48... actually, they are paying me monthly from an escrow account they had to set up that pays me 3% more yearly till age 72.
I didn't even bother thinking about what I was going to do next. I just quit that day. There was no plan B. I don't regret my decision.
I Just landed a much more challenging job with double the pay increase and amazing benefits. If I can give anyone advice about a new job I would say just make the jump
They did me dirty today. They had me doing multiple things other than my job and always blamed me for everything.
It is mch better to be fired than to retire. I did the quite quitting thing that wasn't all that quite until they finally had to offer me a package. I received 13 months of salary continuation (including pension contributions and extended medical benefits) that actually took me past my 65th birthday.
You hit it spot on. I lost my warehouse job last week that i’ve hated but I wanted to quit instead of getting fired. Since I hated it I was putting in low effort and got fired. I’ve been wanting to get into sales for a couple months, & now I have no choice but to get the sales job I’ve been wanting
updating for anyone who’s been fired. it all worked out for the best! i now have a sales job doing doing to door with verizon. and i work with an amazing team! keep your head up guys
@@psychonaut168 But I was curious as I heard if you are fired then the next person won't hire you because you have to reference the previous place and they fired you? How did you overcome that?
background check will never find out either you are getting fired, laid off or quit especially if you live in the US so it is completely unnecessary to quit the job.
@@yyysamuel3215what
Get fired and get unemployment but don’t quit
Getting fired, gets you unemployment and time not to worry about bills... If I wanted to leave a job, I took the job while on vacation for 2 weeks to decide if I liked it better.... My Dad got a call from the owner of a car dealership he was the business manager for and told my Dad to reduce commission on Shop Manager.. My Dad so no, we made an agreement. He told me Dad if he was not going to do it, then he should not come in on Monday... My Dad said, OK.. Filed unemployment, stayed on it until it ran out, then retired.
You will know that you hate your job and it's time to move on if on Sunday around 8 PM you start feeling depressed about having to go back. Best thing is to quit and move on. Find something else. All jobs suck in the end.
I agree with this 100% I always make the decisive choice to quit. If you have savings and dont need to rush, you will find a much better job by giving yourself room to find it.
I usually pay my bills for four months and quit. Thirty day reset is awesome. Individuals should keep a personal severance account, so when you need to quit a job or get fired you will be ok until your next job...
Either quit or get fired both will have a good outcome😊.
This is what i needed to hear, been with the company 33 years. Company just gets WORSE and worse, want me to work Sundays, well i dont work Sundays, so i called off every Sunday and now they fire me,
Quitting and getting fired have their pros and cons but quitting tends to be the better choice due to it not really affecting you and you leave on your *own* terms. Or course having another job lined up is important so there wouldn't be any huge gaps in pay.
Ah, having another job lined up before you quit….therein lies problem!
background check will never find out either you are getting fired, laid off or quit especially if you live in the US so it is completely unnecessary to quit the job.
Someone close to me was given the option of quitting or being fired. She didn't quit, and was fired a couple months later. She wondered if she had taken the best course of action. She was almost 70 y/o when this happened, and I told her it worked out the best for her, for two reasons: a) she was able to work for a couple more months, and b) she collected unemployment for a year. This was in early 2008, and although we sought new opportunities for her, there weren't any available, and although she would have liked to work longer, she was in a financial position to be able to retire, so this is what she ended up doing. I remind her that her course of action worked out to be the best for her--she had 'lost the battle but won the war'!
My boss told me he won't fire me , I have to quit, even after breaking so many rules he still won't fire me lol
My boss (and owner of the small company where I work) also said he wouldn’t fire anyone because he doesn’t want to pay unemployment. Instead, he makes my life and the lives of my coworkers a living hell on a daily basis. He likes to push people out and seems to enjoy torturing his employees. He treats us all like we are his enemies but yet proclaims to us all that we ALL love working there because it’s the best company and he is a stellar boss. 😐🙄🤮
@SDsearcher I've been there. They know they fall under the EEOC requirements(50 or more employees) as a small business. It's torture - they lied to the DHS about me violating an attendance policy they never had, which led to my benefits being denied.😢
@@SDsearcherDo something so bad that he will have no choice but to fire you.
Maybe tell him everything you have though about him, insult his family, tell him how horrible he is and how they all laugh at what a joke of an employer and human being he is.
Taunt him to get so angry that he explodes and fires you.
Force him into firing you.
Push over shelves. Push things off desks. Throw a tantrum.
Even if you sit there all day, refuse to do your work and if he complains, say "Make me".
@@dhenderson1810 thankfully I didn’t have to go to extremes! I finally found another job! A great job with a nice boss who treats me with respect. I have twice the number of paid holidays than I did at my other job. Flexible hours. Closer to home. It took a long time, but I am finally free of that awful place. Hallelujah.
@@dhenderson1810 don't destroy property just take long naps
Happening to me right now, it was scary but omg it’s the kick in my butt I needed
I spent 14 years at one employer when I realized I wasn't paid enough. I left even though I was considering being a "lifer."
That was in 2016, and I've switched companies twice since then and now my current role is paying me 338% more.
This current job was not what I thought it would be and I felt stuck. For me I'm lucky in that I just found out my current job is ending now so I'm finding myself on the job market again.
Thank you for this helpful video, its a good encouragement that with this extra time I can regroup and find the role that actually fits for me.... it also nice that I have a few months before my severance runs out to find it, so I 'm stressing out needing a paycheck tomorrow.
You got a sub from me!
Getting fired feels worse because it can rock your confidence. Sometimes if you know you were in the right, you may feel still a bit better about it but a firing stings.
I’ve been laid off twice and I never felt anything other than concern for how I will find a job.
When you went for a new position, how did you overcome that you were let go? I always have to put last employer on references before you can even get an interview. So am always afraid if they will say anything negative. Do you just tell the new employer you were let go or how did you overcome the firing and rehiring process?
@@kewlenjo219 I didn’t include the job on my resume. I explained to my new employer that I had taken a gap in work to take care of some things in my personal life. Most decent employers will accept that
Always try to quit on your terms and on your time table. Plus, always have another job lined up before you quit. Quitting without another job lined up means you are too emotional and that is a warning to another potential employer. Lastly, if you have a job they have to meet or beat that pay, perks, etc. in order to get you. If you are unemployed they can offer you dick and you will take it. Always be in a position to negotiate.
A big thanks for this video which is spot on! I'd like to share my experience although I live an Germany and the legal situation here is surely different from the one in the US.
I once had a job that was destroying me to a point that I had no energy whatsoever to search for something better. So I did exactly what is advised in the video: I quit and started searching afterwards. The unemployment agency didn't appreciate my move and put me on hold so that I didn't get any financial assistance at the beginning. You're also not treated very nicely by the staff. I had a rough idea of the field that I would like to transition into but the way there turned out to be much harder than imagined. I had some nasty discussions with good friends and family members during that period as being unemployed is looked down upon in Germany and they didn't want to be associated with a loser. Finally, after more than a year, I managed to get a job in exactly the field that I wanted. I had lived a very frugal live and only lost about 20 K EUR on my way there. But already the starting salary was so much higher that I recovered my losses within two years. It was tough but I don't regret having quit without a new job back then.
Moral of the story: it can make sense to adopt the strategy proposed in the video. Especially if your job is literally killing you or you want to move to a completely different field. However, be prepared that it can take longer than foreseen, that you'll lose a 5 digit sum of money, and that some people in your surroundings will sneer at you.
It is true that all circumstances are different and that it can take time to find something or start something. Every circumstance is different. The only overall universal that I think I see is that we often stay longer than needed, even if we need the time. And it can be so hard to make the leap when you are still in a comfortable rut. Thanks for the thoughts shared Hey You!
For those concerned about the EDD issue, let me say it's very possible to quit and still be eligible for EDD. I've done it twice.
Do you mean Unemployment Benefits? "EDD" has about 80 different meanings.
@@cuivre2004 Yup, read my whole post and it's intuitive
@@kendallevans4079 You would avoid all confusion by not assuming people recognize the same acronyms you're used to-especially in such a diverse environment as this is with people from other countries as well. It is called the "acronym paradox"- you think you save time and keystrokes, but you are actually hurting the communication process by using them!
@@cuivre2004 I'm 65 years old so don't tell me about acronyms. Today's Gen X/Z have taken it to absurd lengths. "EDD" is very common in the US, as for others outside the USA, the whole subject has nothing to do with them so I don't care if they get it or not.
Do tell Kendallevans😩😩I’m miserable at this job.
Basically, what you are saying is that nothing beats the motivation of finding your next meal ticked than to involuntarily lose your usual source of it.
Thank you. I have savings and have been wanting to quit an extremely toxic environment that has been seriously affecting my health. I have such a hard time quitting without anything else lined up, but I've already been passed up on interviews because I didn't have the time or availability to interview in a short enough time frame.
Quit and rest for three months. When your body is done resting, a better job will appear pronto. God always worked this out for me...
very motivating! need to push myself to research and apply asap before I get stuck in my current job even further! Thank you, Michael! Subscribed.
Glad to have you as a subscriber!
Wow! This is exactly what I’m going through. I knew the job was a mess from the start but have been muscling through. When I get home, I’m so mentally drained that I spend little time job searching. Just yesterday, I was told I’m failing at work and am being silently terminated. I’m not sure if I’m fired or being encouraged to resign. I guess we’ll see on Monday.
Update ?
@@kanthakathewhite1012 received an apology the following Monday......now they're on me again (the top manager. I guess he's mad because their trick didn't work). I'm going to weather this storm! Thank you for checking on me.
I hope you're well.
@@monawilliams286another update please ..
@@monawilliams286 update?
@@jennysoapdish4502 thank you for checking. I’m still at the same job and have personal things going on so I haven’t applied for other employment this month. Workplace is still mess but this last month hasn’t been so bad for me (but has been for others). Still being grateful.
Michael, thank you. I needed this. I got fired last week because I am not motivated and not showing initiative, which I am not, cause my boss never let me do anything. But since I am still studying (until September next year), I never wanted to quit and have decided to stay a few months until the end of my studies, even though I am miserable. But the company decided to do something else and probably, in the end, do me a favour.
I have started applying for another job and hope something will work out.
I would recommend to my kids who are getting to the age of starting their careers…..always always treat the first 6 months to a year or even 2 years as a “probation” period for both you AND your employer. Have a backup plan, always, in that time span. After you reach 2 years at an employer, you can probably figure it is a good long term relationship and can endure, and a backup plan is not quite necessary. Do NOT get comfy cozy in a job until then.
Get fired. I suspect in many countries like the UK you will not get any unemployment help if you voluntarily leave a job
I needed to hear this today. I resigned from a new job yesterday after two weeks. I feel less stressed playing hooky as well. Searching for the new one now.
Better to quit. If you quit, then it's your own reason.
But if you get fired, then it's your employer's reason.
In Ireland:
Make sure you have another job lined up before quitting.
If you get fired, the employer needs to be 100% sure it's the correct decision or they could be liable for 'unfair dismissal' and could be sued. Also you can go and claim benefits or 'job seekers allowance' until you find another job.
Having experience both, quitting is preferred by a ton.
This is an important reminder to everyone. You may still be able to collect unemployment if you resign/quit on valid legal grounds. You may not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired on valid legal grounds.
You don't get unemployment for quitting you only get unemployment if you didn't voluntarily quit or were not fired for willful misconduct
@@ytr3488 I repeat. “You may still be able to collect unemployment if you resign/quit on valid legal grounds.”
Finding a job is another full time job. Esp when companies ask if you can come in for in person interview in the middle of day. Like they disregard the fact you have a job yourself. But find it appealing for the candidate to still be in their job. lmao. Thank you. I feel. Easier to committ to a search when I have the hours to prep and continue develop myself.
It is better to arrive than it is to flee. It is best to execute a solid plan and leave on your terms to start a better job. But sometimes one must flee a toxic job with no new job in place in order to have a better life. Each situation is a bit unique. Critical, clear minded, honest analysis of the pros and cons of each decision but not procrastinating is the answer.
If you quit, you have to walk less of tight rope when trying to get another job. If you get fired, you can collect unemployment benefits. But you're going have to do a great balancing act when trying to get another job.
I have always been fired, and have told employers that they would have to drag me out kicking , and screaming . Enough of them have taken me up on it, but I won't quit unless it's my idea .
Its easier to get & file for unemployment if fired. And on your new employment applications put 'conflict of interest' when asked why you were fired of quite.
laid off, yes. fired, not so much.
The advice may suck, but it is doable. I don't like the games and want to start looking. However, when you mention that people are "looking to leave but not go somewhere" that is me and I need to do better.
Always keep time line note of each and every incident relating workplace bullying and acts of intimidation. Make sure to review the workplace contract or employment agreement and take time line notes of every breach of agreement committed by the employer. With this ammunition, you can quit or get fired and still be eligible for unemployment benefits. They can even help line you up with a better job. I used to quit my job with DHS-ORS every year due to breach of contract every fall and received benefits each time. By spring, openings would happen. It was a lousy job, so it was easy to collect unemployment for the winter months.
It´s always like gambling, you never know how fast you will get a new job and which problems or potential toxicity you will face. If you will get something better or maybe something worse...that´s why I think it´s most safe to search for a new job first and THEN quit the old one...esp. when you had to deal with some toxicity like bullying or something like that, it´s the best feeling to be able to say you got something better and leaving with a good feeling...but I also in the past was fired from a job with a very toxic invironment and it was a relief. I often quit jobs and got new ones and I don´t regret that I have done that...I never worked longer than 5 years in a company
I feel like if you don’t get laid off due to like closure or relocation then if you quit you are best off relocating to another city yourself. It seems if you’re new in town employers are more receptive to hiring the unemployed.
I got laid off when an office closed but they gave me a severance and I found a new job in 4 months. I'm not sure if I would have left otherwise but my stress and anxiety levels are so much lower these days.
lol, getting laid off is really not all that different from being fired. Theoretically, it is better to be employed while you're looking, but most places don't check.
I've been at an interview while having a job, and basically being interrogated about why did I leave this job that I've been at for 7 years.
What's worse is they're asking about positions I left that have nothing similar to the field I'm being interviewed for. Some Human Resources are questionable.
"Looking to leave...not looking to GO somewhere". Wish I had found this video before I quit - would have looked for and found a better job first, without putting myself into a tailspin.
No one can ever prepare for the inevitable. Best advice I can give? Try to save money for a rainy day, ideally if you can save at least 6 to 12 months of salary, If they fire you out of the blue, at least you go into thrift mode and have enough until you get it together with another job. The fear of losing a job, is not the job, but the income and the problems it brings. I see this employment thing kinda like do eat dog. One day the employer has the upper hand and fires you or the employee finds a better job and quits and leave the company and your co-workers in a bad situation. I hate how a company wants this true company loyalty and they will fire you for any reason or no reason at all.
Every time I quit my job it felt amazing because it wasn’t for me or it was disappointed in the ethics involved with where I worked. Until I found a job that was motivating myself to grow and be a better person and fulfilled at work.
Much better to get fired.
I agree. People HATE quitters. Having a soft landing spot needs to be your second job in the evenings and weekends.
My problem with my current job schedule is it’s so draining and I literally don’t have time to job search save a few hours in the morning. I work 10am-6pm Mon-Fri.
Search in the morning then??? Wake up at 5am or 6am and start looking
It's better to get fired not because you get some extra money but because you are maybe wrong about what your boss is "planning" and you may quit while your boss prepare you for promotion.
Think again about it, he is becoming more hard to you because you are about to get a higher role in there and more critical position so you need to understand some things and finish some other jobs there. He may give you the promotion right after.
@@giannaras2010 I thought that was their M.O. in my situation- turns out they weren't that high of level of thinker. It was there way of downsizing their employee numbers in order to make their bottom line look better for a sell off to another company.
I work for a small mom and pop (even worse, husband and wife) business. Been there 5 months, do my job well. The toxicity of that environment is off the charts. She is vile and constantly verbally abusive, always arguing with her husband, talking about me with him, even though I can easily hear what she's saying. Obviously, this is going to end, one way or the other. Considering this situation and future job interviews, isn't it best for me to quit, and explain why? If I get fired, how would my claim of a toxic work environment hold up?
So, I'm not an employment lawyer (nor do I play one on television, LOL!) which means that I can't really intelligently address any potential claims. However I would say that it is my understanding and experience that "toxicity" is really hard to prove and I don't even believe that "generally toxic" is something you can make some legal claim about, usually there has to be clear harassment based on a protected category. You might be headed for a "he said, she said" thing that just goes nowhere. But, again, if you really want to know talk to a lawyer who actually knows something about this. If you have already figured out this is a bad place and you are in the midst of looking, the question becomes "when do I leave?" and that is totally up to you and your situation. If you can effectively ignore their behavior and continue your search unabated, do it. If you can't tolerate them, quit. But have your plan to absorb the loss of income and what you intend to say to your next potential employer. "It was not a great fit for me and I left to focus full time on a new role." is fine to say, IMHO.
I was in the same type environment. Thankfully, she laid me off. Then she tried to block my benefits. I knew by then to save ALL the voicemails she had left and played them for the unemployment person who called me. Now that bitch has permanent notes on file with the local unemployment department and won't be able to lock anyone else from getting benefits.
Small businesses with one or two owner/bosses/managers are the worst. Lacking professionalism and simpleminded.
Quitting is on your own term . My last work place was so toxic I have to called it quits for my physical and mental health . After that I took some time to heal emotionally which help me with my physical health .
Same!!
@@smoothiecutie2277 feel better soon . It took me 2 yrs to build up my confidence. Before going back into the rat race. And this time i am wiser . Bcuz I know my worth .
If you quit you don't get unemployment...
This advise is good but it is not an easy decision. If you have a really good job (you do not want to quit) and for any reason they no longer want you there then quiting or getting fired is more or less the same. In your job's interview they will ask you why you quit and answer that will be harder than explaining a firing. In general, good jobs or prestigious companies give you the option of quit or get fired, because they know that they are damaging your career. To recover from leaving a very good and prestigious job can get you from 2 to 5 years of hard work.
Yea not sure I get this. I understand the whole career day to day searching for another job. All that was fine. The result of finding a new better job after being fired vs quitting when they found a better one was just happenstance. I'm glad it worked out but if it didn't would there be a different view point? Yea the pressure and sole focus after being fired might be something that some people need to. Idk.... I just expected a comparison to how you're viewed socially and by the next employer for getting fired vs leavin on your own accord.
I agree. This happened to me recently. I wasn't pleased at all with the environment and the type of mentality where I used to work. Everyone working there warned me about this ''familiy business'' and the high turnover. I wanted to stick it out long enough in order to find a better position. It's not easy to search for a new job when you're already working. Try justifing leaving early in order to go to interviews during the day.
I once accepted a position with a company that held their interviews during working hours. That was a red flag that I should have not ignored. I would not recommend working for such companies.
@@puppy969 Most companies I've worked for do this...
@@orome9793 Well. Luckily I am now self employed. In my opinion, if companies are not prepared to interview after office hours they are not worth working for.
So what's the answer?
I once got fired from a job...I worked at a convenience store. Thing is I accidentally sold alcohol to a minor (would never do that on purpose, and I was the goody two-shoes employee). Also, working as a convenience store employee is a surprisingly stressful and dangerous job. I had several gas leaks and we got some cigarettes stolen.
Gas leaks from??
@@xyz-pg3zd The soft drinks distributors.
I think it really depends on if the new employer you're applying/interviewing with actually does an actual, legit background check on you. If not, you're good to go either way if you got fired or quit your previous job(s).
tbh, I didn't get anything here.
Your content doesn't answer what was asked in the title.
I wouldn't be so harsh. Michael is making a good point here which is valid in itself. However, the title is indeed misleading. It should have been something like: "Stay or quit immediately - What's the better strategy to find a new job?"
WAY better to quit (based on personal experience, lol), but in this day and age of unprecedented economic anxiety it doesn't really matter which. Only thing that matters is finding the one thing in your current life cycle that most resonates with you AND HOLDING ON TO IT FOR AS LONG AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!!! Besides, if the current powers that be actually had their way they would bring slavery back in a heartbeat and that would be that.
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Should we quit to keep our sanity even tho we don't have another job lined up?
There’s no honor in work today. None!
All we have become are crabs in a bucket!
1:49 I tried to do this myself, and this is exactly what happened to me. I wanted to leave for a long time but couldn't because of other reasons, but about a month later the HR lady just came up to me and forced me to submit my resignation.
I have yet to find a new job, but I plan to take a bit of time to prepare and apply for a worthwhile job and not just the next listing I come across.
Quit gives you satisfaction of saying "up yours" quit means you cant rely on a new employer contacting them. Better to bide your time, bite your lip, find something...anything else & move on "gracefully".
Agree, hundred percent!! Exactly the same happened to me too.
I quit my job after 33 years but i have another job to start right away and one of the questions they ask me in the interview was why i want to leave my job
All i said was i want to do something diferent to no tell him that i was miserable at my current job, when i said that i was leaving they offer me more money and i said i dont want more money i want peace of mine,i start my new job on monday making more money.
I left a good job for another with more pay and benefits...big mistake, it was a company from hell...after a year i was just hopping to get fire, that day came, de hr lady started to give me a lecture, I told her to save it, just give me my check, She was piss, I was so relief, wet straight to unemployment office.
If you ever have to ask this question you are in the wrong occupation!
If your fired you get paid instantly
If you quit you must wait
For payday.
60 years old and way behind on retirement . Salary is way too high to be able to leave . Would have to take tens of thousand $ pay cut
I really needed to hear this, thank you.
I am currently working for an owner of a small niche company with his son, and 3 other workers, and it’s so awkward. The owner is maybe in his late 60s, is loud and crass. I remember him yelling and cussing out the outside yard maintenance guy for using the leaf blower near the door because the owner left it open. His son is in his late 30s, and is nice, and more professional. However, he is like the second in command, so I can’t really vent to anyone because he’s always there. Maybe once or twice a week someone makes small talk, but no one really does because they don’t want to be yelled at by the owner for not working. The only issue is it gets so slow and boring because I’m the one assigned to answer calls, which I don’t mind, and help sell or complete orders over the phone. It does get slow and I get bored. Then the owner tells his son to assign me to do other tasks while still answering calls. When I signed up for this job I was expecting to do all the customer service tasks, and not the other tasks because I’m caught up with my tasks.
I guess I miss the autonomy of working at a big premium dealership with a lot of staff and customers that that I can communicate with as a service advisor, which I enjoyed as well as the pay, but unfortunately a new manager was hired and the hours changed. I really miss what I did, but it’s hard to find a similar position with great hours. It’s a minimum 10-11 hours a day.
The only positive with this small business is the hours, because I’m obligated to drop off my kids and pick them up from school.
IIf you are in a jjob you hate leave because it's not good for you start something that you like to do and you will be surprised how far you can go.
I think the concept of holding while looking makes sense sometimes. It's often easier to get a job if you have one, too. But that focus aspect is strong. Plus there's the mental health toll if the environment is legitimately toxic (as opposed to just annoying). So... I think I agree with both sides on this.
As to quitting over firing... Weigh the consequences. Resignations don't come with unemployment, and that's a significant concern sometimes. On the other hand, controlling your exit can make a difference on your narrative with future employers. In my experience, this is a judgement call
just remember getting fired provides a safety net of unemployment benefits based on why you got fired while you look for something better, quitting leaves you stranded with nothing, and unless your job is a important to mention. dont even put it on your resume for the next one, if they ask why you been unemployed for so long just tell them you uber, or a side hustle, or the best one you where taking care of a ageing relative and being compensated for it with room and board