You're talking more about justifiable terminations. No one cares about those people getting unemployment. Most people are talking about unexplained or "It's not a good fit" terminations.
i Just My opinion. but know your time when to quit there is more empowerment.. waiting to be fired in the other hand can hurt your self confidence and that period of time could be harmful for your mental health....this doesn't apply to everyone.. in my case i always been frugal and have a contingency plan if thinks go south🙏
What if you are in a contract and your client doesn't really value the changes you want to make? Do you accept it, take the money and keep quiet and just do what you can within the scope? Or if you are the type of person that wants to do a good job, build upon a reputation of meeting all the deliverables and have that satisfaction of saying I did this, but its not going to happen, do you move on?
"Quit or get fired from a job at UPS?" I don't think you guys know the mighty and very legal weight of the question you have been asked. To be honest it sounds like one of you thinks it's not that big a deal and the other just assumes that people who get laid off are criminals. If you guys never met UPS, UPS dresses leaving the company up as a big deal they like to talk about how if you leave the company you can never come back. You guys are just coming off as rather deaf to the question and I guess you don't want to be responsible for giving "financial advice". It's a genuine puzzle, 'fired' might mean laid off without cause, which means you keep some benefits, maybe some severance, and are eligible for unemployment. This is completely different from termination with cause, which is normally due to a crime or some other serious offense. There is a good chance that your question asker is asking if "Laid off" or "Quit" is a better move. I think UPS also has a couple unions too which would really make things interesting. If you quit You can tell future employers that you quit, not that you were downsized, You can clean up your office/workplace (virtual or physical) on your own time, You lose out on the benefits/severance. IDK what happens if the guy is part of a union but I imagine if a union is involved quitting doesn't grant the same benefits as getting laid off. You get laid off (Fired implies with cause to me I imagine the question asker doesn't think there is a real reason to fire them if they are considering quiting.) You get all those gimmies. You will lie if you tell future employers you quit. You will have no time to leave. Presumably your union has your back but again idk. Naturally fired with cause is a completely different question and that question starts looking goofy. The extremes of that fired with cause question get super goofy as one of you kindly brings up. The spreadhsheet involved would include values like the value of company databases, competitor payrolls and years in jail sorts of goofy. I think it's funny you guys bring up the illegal world as that sort of thing is just completely off the reservation and downright undesirable for 99% of people. Mr married with kids has dropped a legal bombshell on you guys, I'm surprised you didn't say "Wow man, not touching that with a 10 foot pole." Without being a lawyer and a spreadsheet you won't optimize a UPS termination and from what I'm seeing this video has neither. If you must comment then at the very least perhaps direct the unfortunate guy making those spreadsheets and contacting those lawyers to some kind of personal experience on how layoffs/quitters are perceived.
If you quit, you have control of the timing. Sometimes that can make a big difference.
You're talking more about justifiable terminations. No one cares about those people getting unemployment.
Most people are talking about unexplained or "It's not a good fit" terminations.
i Just My opinion. but know your time when to quit there is more empowerment.. waiting to be fired in the other hand can hurt your self confidence and that period of time could be harmful for your mental health....this doesn't apply to everyone.. in my case i always been frugal and have a contingency plan if thinks go south🙏
Is there a point to any of this, or are you two just trying to waste my time?
100%
Get fired. There is no “punishment”
that is something I am now realizing. being fired has been demonized to manipulate us to not be able to sue.
I'm glad I just watched this for entertainment, because this didn't seem to offer anything of practical value.
What if you are in a contract and your client doesn't really value the changes you want to make? Do you accept it, take the money and keep quiet and just do what you can within the scope? Or if you are the type of person that wants to do a good job, build upon a reputation of meeting all the deliverables and have that satisfaction of saying I did this, but its not going to happen, do you move on?
Unemployment is not conditional on how you left.
Depends on where you live. In many places, you only get unemployment if you are fired unless you worked x number of years first.
"Quit or get fired from a job at UPS?" I don't think you guys know the mighty and very legal weight of the question you have been asked. To be honest it sounds like one of you thinks it's not that big a deal and the other just assumes that people who get laid off are criminals.
If you guys never met UPS, UPS dresses leaving the company up as a big deal they like to talk about how if you leave the company you can never come back. You guys are just coming off as rather deaf to the question and I guess you don't want to be responsible for giving "financial advice". It's a genuine puzzle, 'fired' might mean laid off without cause, which means you keep some benefits, maybe some severance, and are eligible for unemployment. This is completely different from termination with cause, which is normally due to a crime or some other serious offense. There is a good chance that your question asker is asking if "Laid off" or "Quit" is a better move. I think UPS also has a couple unions too which would really make things interesting.
If you quit
You can tell future employers that you quit, not that you were downsized,
You can clean up your office/workplace (virtual or physical) on your own time,
You lose out on the benefits/severance.
IDK what happens if the guy is part of a union but I imagine if a union is involved quitting doesn't grant the same benefits as getting laid off.
You get laid off (Fired implies with cause to me I imagine the question asker doesn't think there is a real reason to fire them if they are considering quiting.)
You get all those gimmies.
You will lie if you tell future employers you quit.
You will have no time to leave.
Presumably your union has your back but again idk.
Naturally fired with cause is a completely different question and that question starts looking goofy.
The extremes of that fired with cause question get super goofy as one of you kindly brings up. The spreadhsheet involved would include values like the value of company databases, competitor payrolls and years in jail sorts of goofy. I think it's funny you guys bring up the illegal world as that sort of thing is just completely off the reservation and downright undesirable for 99% of people.
Mr married with kids has dropped a legal bombshell on you guys, I'm surprised you didn't say "Wow man, not touching that with a 10 foot pole." Without being a lawyer and a spreadsheet you won't optimize a UPS termination and from what I'm seeing this video has neither. If you must comment then at the very least perhaps direct the unfortunate guy making those spreadsheets and contacting those lawyers to some kind of personal experience on how layoffs/quitters are perceived.
Wow, 7 minutes of absolutely nothing of value. Good job