Forget about Applying for Jobs on LinkedIn or Indeed and Do This Instead
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ธ.ค. 2022
- If you depend on LinkedIn Jobs or Indeed.com to look for jobs you are probably setting yourself up for failure. So forget about it! In this video I explain why you should not count on LinkedIn or Indeed to apply for jobs, and what you should do instead. If you only rely on these platforms there is big chance that you will not get called in for a job interview.
In short, just apply on their website directly.
That doesn’t work either, it still says processing after 3 months
Good summary
some companies are not publishing their jobs opps on their career page!
True
@@levidestin6783 So what can you do?
The problem with applying through the company's career page is having to fill in ALL the info, so doing this for each and every job we apply for is really time-consuming and above all, really annoying. 🙄
True. One reason companies want you to fill in all the info is to see how serious you are about your intentions with them. The upside is that the info you provide goes directly to the company.
@@kissscareercoaching True.
And even if you apply through the company's website and fill out all the info you're required to, 9 out of 10 times you still won't be called for an interview. Most likely just an auto-generated email acknowledging they got your application and nothing more. That's it. At least I've had more interviews via LinkedIn compared to applying via the company's official website.
@@arineems6059 with an acknowledgement email at least you know the company received your application. Good to see that you have had success with LinkedIn.
I DO find it annoying to fill out all of the info...but I also feel dumb doing it because I feel like in the time I can fill out one job board, i can find the same job on other sites where you can quick apply. The truth is, what he is saying might be true, but applying directly to the company doesn't change your competition pool. If 1,000 people apply for the job, you are competing against them regardless of which site you apply on. I apply to an average 30 jobs a week per site. And do maybe 4 interviews a week. MOST of the time that works for me for finding a job or contract. But I admit, right now I am having a problem cause I am trying to get to the next level of pay, and so far, it isn't working out. Soon, I'm gonna have to give in and start applying to jobs at my previous salary. Which I don't really want to do.
I was gonna give up on Indeed, but I decided to give it one more try. I submitted my resume for an educator position on Indeed last Monday, got a call back on Tuesday, I interviewed on Thursday, and got hired on the spot.
Congratulations!
Congratulations! 🎉Being persistent definitely pays off. 😅
Congratulations!
Finding a job should not be this hard. I never want to hear about a labor shortage from employers.
I agree, but we have to operate within this crazy reality.
Even when the employment situation has been better for candidates,employers have always moaned
one major employer, just had it's L1 and H1B program expanded. They are not looking for someone whom can walk away.
This tip is gold. Why go through a middle man, when you can go right to the source.
Exactly!
Linkedin is not the middle man. Companies use it to attract talent. They pay high amount of money.
You need to understand that 1000s of people apply and very few are shortlisted and only one is offered.
Whenever possible, always look for a direct contact with the employer. Do not give your personal details to third parties, like scammy job agencies, etc. Such agencies sometimes even post completely fake job ads, just so they can gather the personal details of people, who are seeking for a job.
Definitely agree!
I have to ask, how does one look for a direct contact with the employer? Phone number? Email towards the employer and not the company?
Pretty much, how?
@@mauriciofreitas3384 I mean, when you're on a job search website - they usually do have filters, when searching and you can request results only directly from employing organizations (i.e. exclude agencies).
@@mauriciofreitas3384 one strategy is to talk with the receptionist as they are often an excellent resource. I like to call the main company telephone number and say "I wonder if you could help me. I am preparing my application for the position of _____ in your company. I was wondering if you could tell me who I should address my cover letter to, so that I can personalize it. I promise not to contact them directly as I know they are busy." This almost always works. You will find out if the position is still accepting applications, and the name of the hiring manager, who you can then research on LinkedIn.
Agreed! I cannot stand these 3rd party websites. In my experience going straight to the source, has given me better results in the end.
Some wise man to fullfill our direct ways. Thank you. I have got a job 3 days after this video... No more wasting time in those social medias. Only updating stats
Congratulations!
This is a better option, but it doesn't usually work either. You just go into a database and never hear anything back. At least, that has been my experience. Calling is good, but only if it's a small company. The best way to get a job is having a connection, and that doesn't even always work.
Connections and networking are usually the most effective ways of getting a job.
Indeed and LInked have links to company webites to apply regardless
@@kissscareercoaching Its also slimy because half the time you see people who are not qualified getting a job just because they know someone over a candidate whose more suited. Nepotism is awful in the job market.
Connections and networking get you the job, but opposes the concept of fairness and meritocracy. I do not think this will ever change.
It’s much worse than you realize. The government tracks all this activity via HR reports. Depending on the size of the company, they are likely posting jobs due to government oversight which means they already have a candidate picked out. Which mean they don’t need you. Just need to show hiring activity and effort to the government. Want the job, better know someone and network in.
Very true.
True but I have been told by a guy with an MBA from Univ. of Chicago that if the ad is on Linkedin then they are really looking for somebody.
@@fizmath935 could be true. I do not know if a LinkedIn in posting counts to the government. I know paid postings to other media outlets does count. So this is how the government tracks to make sure companies are “following the rules”
You're saying everything I knew deep inside, but needed someone to validate out loud. Good job
There have been times where I started to do this and would see a job posted up on LinkedIn or Indeed (plus other job boards) and I would see a job I think i’m perfect for…I apply and hear nothing. So I would just double check the website and look to see if the post is there too and more cases it’s not.
As being in my late 40s I hate how hard it is to find work. In the past you submit your resume and you get a human on the phone, or an response…Now you just put your resume out there to crickets and it’s frustrating.
Your experience is unfortunately quite common. If you have one, leveraging your network of contacts is still one of the best strategies.
I'm 40 and almost all my resumes got me a call from whoever was hiring... working in manufacturing might be one reason. In the past month sent 2-3 resumes visited 2 employers ignored one and one sent quite a nice job offer 2 weeks ago accepted.
@@togowack congratulations!
@@togowack wow congrats! It could be the industry too…I been working in Real Estate for 20 years and I hate it…I want to find an industry that’s more stable. Maybe I’ll have better luck looking in other industries that more people overlook.
@@NottyGurlStyleHi, it is no big deal for me to find work at all. I hunted for and got a gravy job. I can't understand why so many people went into fake jobs. Fake jobs suck all around. It looks like the schools have done this- deliberately. I am not happy about having to go back to work but I started 3 businesses and fell too much behind inflation for this year. Vowed I would never work for anyone else again.
This is what I'm actually doing when applying for jobs.
Create an expanded version of your Resume just for yourself. Under each position that you have held, list bullets detailing the activities you performed and the goals you achieved. When you look an an ad for a position, note the skills/abilities that are listed first, and extract from your expanded Resume the 1 or 2 items that match the requirements of the position you are applying for. In your cover letter make sure you point out the most significant areas of your expertise that directly match the requirements of the position being applied for. Good luck in your search.
Good points, but I would skip the activities you performed and focus on your accomplishments.
no thanks
I think that's a great strategy!
I was going to do this same thing.
Very useful. I have submitted applications only to hear that the job was filled or no longer open. In addition, if there are any edits to the job posting, it resets the job posting. Let's say there is a Business Analyst job posted. 200 applications come in. The next week, the employer changes the title to Business Analyst II, all 200 applications are tossed out.
I also am seeing among my experienced friends, they are not considered at all for jobs because they have too much experience. I have 20+ yrs of experience and time and again I am hearing "this is a junior role" even thought the listing says mid-level. But don't call it ageism! I liked the old days of pounding the pavement, walking around the city, handing out resumes. At least then you could look someone in the eye and get a feel for your chances. This is just a black, faceless box.
Great points. Sometimes companies hire for "junior roles" to avoid paying high salaries.
Thank you for this advice. I’ve been job hunting for 6 months mostly on Indeed and LinkedIn with very few results, but I noticed that listings that link to the a company website to apply, which always annoyed the hell out of me because you have to make a login profile, those are the listings that I remember getting a callback or interview.
I’ll curb my annoyance when I’m flung to an outside site. At least I know I have a fighting chance.
Customize your cover letter and resume to each job posting, and be patient. It will pay off!
This video helped confirm what I doing without knowing I was doing it right, now I will deliberately focus on this way. Thanks coach.
Excellent! You're welcome!
90% of jobs on indeed don't exist. fake or old ads
thats messed up unemployed, 20 liveing with parents and i really don't want to waste my time in college if i can't even get a job.
@@wilmer360tv doesn't matter if you "waste your time" or not. They're finding now that employers are doing "quiet hiring" now - posting jobs they have NO INTENTION OF FILLING to make their overworked employees think they're going to get help. Yeah, that's a thing now. They say now you need to do 500 applications just to get a few interviews. Instead of college go into a trade, you get paid to get trained. And plumbers, construction workers, electricians etc make BANK.
There is no way that in 2023 calling the employer directly to inquire is his actual advice. SMH
As a multi trader engineer, I know one thing when it's comes to jobs, it's who you know not wat u describe on your CV.
Yeah you got your degree but no experience, no experience no chance, period.
Just wanted to wish good luck for all people searching for them dream job atm.
Connections and relationships are unbeatable!
I'm 47 years old, and the number of jobs I've gotten by applying through the company website is still zero.
Applying on company websites doesn't guarantee an interview, and there are always exceptions to what I said about LI and Indeed. As you probably know, there are many other factors involved. Hope your luck changes.
You might be experiencing ageism take off dates such as graduating date anything that might give insight to your age. Just a suggestion.
@@atlasdguad77 I know one of the better g problems is that AI badly misreads my resume. I mention editing 17 times, writing 15 times, and proofreading 13 times. TopResume showed me that things mentioned once in proper names are treated as of greater importance. I don't know how to change that, and no one else seems to, either.
"I freelanced for a bunch of different companies, but I can't tell you which or it throws off your algorithm" seems like a pathetic resume to me.
@@scottandrewhutchinsClient Companies do not like you to reveal them on your resume its a major red flag. But great for the algos. I worked for a incredible lists of companies but it was confidential.
I've been doing this, applying directly, all along.
Finally! Some useful job hunting advice rather than some general generic advice! Great video!
Thank you!
That is superb info Bart. I have experienced this multiple times. This is a whole lot of steps to follow, filling lengthy forms and answering the questions, but then that is a necessary filter that companies apply to verify how serious a candidate is about joining them rather than blindly hitting the Easy Apply button.
Thank you! Great comment.
Makes sense. I've seen postings in LinkedIn which "no longer exists" many times
This is exactly how I got my first job without needing to have multiple years of experience experience to be excepted. This is truly like a mini shortcut, instead of applying to jobs for a year, it instead takes 3 months or less depending on the job market peak times.
The advice that this man is giving is gold !!! It may be time consuming, it may be labor intensive. Yet if any of us have any expectation of landing a job ( especially a dream job ), I think that it would incumbent upon us to follow his instruction(s). This is no different from how the state employment websites direct applicants when they do postings. So, you know that what he is saying is precise and on point.
Thank you for your positive comment!
This is what I call a very useful information. My friend, you probably is saving a lot of time in our lives.
Thank you very much for your content.
You're welcome!
This is exactly what I do. I get more interviews like this. I’d like to also add the only con is that some companies despite having a career page some companies directly hire from their recruiters who most likely use LinkedIn to get workers
This is true. Recruiters do search LinkedIn, that's why you should have a well-developed profile.
Few are actually hiring. They are dangling the hopes of getting a good job to collect resumes and harvest personal information from their applicants.
Job applicants are of two categories: the machine gunners and the snipers. When one is a fresh graduate the person is more likely to adopt the first approach but with experience more people would adopt the second approach. Job markets vary from one country or region to the other. However, the issue that is universally common with businesses is trust.
Great comment. Put another way, shotgun vs rifle approach.
Im an assault rifle, I have enough experience to know what job to apply to, but I dont care which company as long as they check my criteria of a good company.
@@winzyl9546 Trust is both ways; on the side of the company and on the side of the applicant. Unless the organisation finds someone or at least someone they think they can trust, they won't fill up that position. So, in the end it's not really a matter of the number of applications. I've seen qualified applicants who were ghosted and other less qualified applicants being offered the job. It's alright being an experienced rifleman or machine gunner but of utmost importance is knowing the terrain of operations.
Explain your application of the terms you used?
@@winzyl9546 you have the right idea.
A key point in my eyes is quality of applications vs quantity. In my experience putting every job you've ever had on a job site doesn't work nearly as well as staying in the same industry. I have a few resumes saved based on the industry I'm pursuing and use them accordingly. Also It doesn't hurt to apply to both the job site and the company site. I had a job for 2 years that denied my application on the job site but accepted it on the companies website.
few resumes meaning fake ones with jobs you never worked?
@@Daniel_RO-TM Actually I'm from NYC and have had 2 jobs until recently. When one job is in hospitality and the other is in finance they don't go on the same resume.
Good strategy.
This actually a really good idea. Most people will apply through indeed, linked in etc.
You are the man! I literally needed to watch that at this moment! Stuck in a rutt! With applications!!! Grrrr
Thanks! I'm glad it helped.
It's easy to make these mistakes, but being aware of them can save a lot of time and frustration. Well done!
Very true! Learn from experience.
I find that many jobs will ask you to fill out your application AND provide your application, but checking the career page before you apply is a great way to save time.
You speak the truth my man!
Thank you for confirming what was so obvious one year with no response from anybody on LinkedIn and indeed changing my résumé three different times three professional résumé writers,
and still nothing. I’m Uber driving it pays the bills but I’m a condo association manager, and I have other credentials like project management and nothing.
When working with a resume writer, always make sure that they customize your resume to the specific job advertisement that you are applying to.
Excellent tip.
Thank you so much for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
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Valuable info. Thank you Sir
Ooh, thank you for pointing this out! One thing that Indeed isn't helpful for is how it may mark skills in the job description, and even preemptively reject applications as a result - I've recently seen one where the job description mentions preferring skills in one program, but mentioned a few other programs that would also be acceptable. One of those other programs, which in general I see recommended significantly less often than the others, was marked as required experience. That commonly used program? Not listed. This other other program? Required. Since I hadn't used this program (to scale, a friend had only ever used it in high school), Indeed didn't let me apply because I didn't have experience with - for emphasis - an acceptable tertiary _alternative_ for a program that they don't _require_, but _prefer_ experience for.
That's annoying. What program was it even requiring? Anything people have actually heard of?
You're welcome! The hiring process is often constrained by algorithms used by indeed or LI. The saying "who you know is more important than what you know" is still true.
Just my observation. In some cases in the UK, for example, it depends on the type of job in relation to if it's a contract or permanent. Permanent jobs would normally be advertised by the company on their website in addition to using agencies. However, contract jobs are normally advertised by the agency.
True.
Bless your heart. Thanks for the much needed information and advice. I am now subscribed to you.
You're welcome, and thank you!
I also noticed that some companies don't regularly update the jobs page at their website but when you see the company page either in linkedin or indeed, there's a recent posting of a new job.
This is true. When I see something like that, I call the company to confirm. Once when I called, the owner told me there are no job vacancies and he didn't know why there was a job posting on indeed.
@@kissscareercoaching Damn! These are the "ghost" postings.
No one updates websites anymore. Thats why LinkedIn exists.
@@kissscareercoachingdoesn't the employer have to still pay for that advert in Indeed?
@@skyblazeeternojobs can be posted for free, but for greater visibility and to attract more applicants, they can be 'sponsored', or paid.
Glassdoor and indeed collect all of the applicant’s information, especially when using a resume, I wonder what they do with all of this personal information??? 🤨 🤨 🤨 This is a good enough reason to go the extra mile and apply directly at a company’s website.
Good comment. I don't have evidence of this, but since these services are "free" to the user, I wouldn't be surprised.
I appreciated your excellent advice!
Glad it was helpful!
I've been doing this since I noticed I had applied to a job on Linkedin with 1,000+ applicants. I'm still unemployed, but knock on wood.
Good luck in your search!
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This is very helpful. Thank you! Keep up the good work! :)
Thank you! Glad it was helpful.
Thank you very informative. Greatly appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for real and complete information God bless you
You're welcome!
sound advice. It take much longer to apply on their website and you run the risk that they company aren't as on top of things as they should be, i.e. old adverts on site. The best thing to do is find a contact name and call the company to enquire. You learn things the hard way but the right way. Good video
Nothing beats direct communication with someone in the company.
Thank you so much for this very helpful video. I appreciate it so much. Subscribed. 😊
You're welcome!
Very Nice..Useful video..
I totally agree! I've done this.
thank you ! I will do it now!
Waaou! Thank you very much, your information gonner be so helpful for me, that cross check is very important before submission
Woow ... This is very insightful. For sure I have been doing it wrong all along. Thank for this
Glad it was helpful!
That’s really good advice. That way you don’t get scammed!!!!
Thanks this is great advice. I'm going to try it.
Hey man, you are just very good at what you do. Well done.
Thanks!
Thank you for that information, I learn something new. I enjoy you telling us how to go about it.
You're welcome!
This is all excellent advice! This is extremely helpful, you probably saved me a ton of time.
Exactly 💯. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Amazing video!
I left my job and forgot how much it takes to find one again. I forgot you can't just sit there and wait on emails and others stuff. You have to call and go up to the place if you can. I need a job ASAP. I need to working at all. I need $
Thank you. Very informative.
You are welcome!
Thank you very much for your advice.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for sharing
Thanks I learnt a ton and God bless..
You're welcome!
That is true! I had to figure it out the hard way. I use recruiting companies and also look on linkedin apply there and then send a message to the poster or call if possible to follow up, then I also look on the companies website and apply there. For me it has got to the point where I`ll use linkedin more of a reference and applying as mentioned. Good advice!
Excellent strategy!
As a research tool if they have company and contacts with profiles. Small OSINT opportunity
Thank you for sharing this insightful video! The information provided here is truly valuable and can help save us time and energy. Much appreciated!
You're welcome!
An eye opener for me. Thanks again..
You're welcome!
Seriously.. I have NEVER GOTTEN an interview via those two websites. It’s the worst. Indeed is a tad better because it fills in all ur info but blehhhh still shitty.
I hate linked in. But my teachers say you must or not get hired. I am trying to challenge that
When an employer searches for you on the internet, your LinkedIn profile shows up on the first search results page, showing the employer that you are 'real'. Some employers say that if you don't show up in a search, you don't exist.
@@kissscareercoachingthat is the stupidest take I ever heard from a teacher. Teachers used to tell you to think for yourself and read multiple sources. Now teachers use tiktok and instagram and wiki as 'truth'. Talk about rotting your brain with social media and making it your only identity. If all people do is use social media 24/7 and are glued to their phone like a teenage or middle aged woman that drinks wine, that is a red flag. I wouldn't want to work for them either because they probably can't distinguish imagination from reality.
Thank you so much for this video it’s been six weeks and applied for many jobs they never reply but still send more job vacancies it’s really annoying and time consuming
You're welcome! Yes, it can be frustrating.
Thats great, sir!
I have been applying to many a jobs online through the same platform and I get rejections in minutes after applying and that feels disastrous to mem 😢
I understand how you feel. Make sure that your resume is customized specifically to the job advertisement.
Thank you very very helpful I was wondering why I wasn’t receiving responses with the credentials I have
You're welcome!
Great sir. Thanks
These are all good suggestions. That said, applying directly on LinkeIn or Indeed is not a total waste of time, though it's best to get your application in on the first day or two after the job is posted.
Good suggestion, and there are always exceptions.
Good advice, apply directly if possible. LinkedIn useful for recruiters to find you and learn about companies.
That's right. LinkedIn is also useful to learn about the hiring managers in the company.
This is really gold for me. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for your valuable information
Thanks, those are really good tips 🙂
I agree that Linkedin has to improve the job search, and the following of the applications. Also I agree that many job position are not active in linkedin. You can see the same positions posted again and again.
This is a lot of work. Applying for jobs on Indeed is as simple as swiping left or right in 2024.
If it works for you, great!
You are absolutely right I will go directly to the company from now on 😊 thanks very much
You’re welcome!
Thank you. Very informative and helpful video. More power sir and God bless! 😊
Glad it was helpful!
useful info Thanks for sharing
You're welcome!
Best advice ever... thanks a lot...
Thank you for the heads up
It's also worth mentioning that LinkedIn and Indeed use AI to pick applicants, rather than humans. It looks for certain key words in your applications. You may be well more qualified than one person for a job, but if you don't have one key word that they do, it will automatically throw out your application. I have had an immensely difficult time finding work, even when "every company was desperate for people" a few years ago, and I have a ton of experience and am also a veteran. This video has great advice. Indeed and LinkedIn can be useful tools to find jobs, but shouldn't be your only source to find work.
Key word screening has nothing to do with AI. Employers have been doing it past 20 years.
True. Keywords are very important, but that's not what this video is about.
@@kissscareercoaching just sharing some friendly advice
Sometimes including too much experience on your resume can work against you. To be effective, resumes need to be very focused.
@@TruthSeeker9038 it's good advice too.
This is actually true & really helpful compare to LinkedIn or Indeed
I always wondered what the "promoted" was on LinkedIn. Even looking up on Google, it never explained it clearly. Thank you for your knowledge.
It’s Pay per click for LinkedIn. Everytime you open a promoted listing, that company has to pay LinkedIn a fee per click until they hire someone and close the listing
I've never used Indeed nor Linkedin before, but what you just advised is exactly what I was planning to do.
All the best in your job search!
Excellent
Thanks for sharing it with us...
My pleasure!
I've watched and sent this to so many people
Those job websites are complete crap. You will never get a confirmation of a submission, or a call back. The only thing that works is YOUR network. Yes, if you can scrape the sites for the companies websites, do it, for sure.
Absolutely agree that your network is your #1 asset.
Get a number and call. It's easier than ever to find the number of the manager or higher up you need. Don't sell yourself, just call and enquire about the position. If it's an actual job, they will have someone call you back or even talk with you then and there. When you do apply, they already know you. This is how we did it in the 80s and 90s and it still works. Jobs are about people, not pieces of paper or application forms. Connect with a human and you leapfrog over your competitors. Back then it took serious work to find direct numbers but now they are there on the internet. Make the technology work for you instead of the other way round.
Great advice!