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My dad walked into a single newspaper office right after getting his journalism degree and got hired within 30 minutes. People who grew up in the 70s will never understand today's job market.
they are simultaneously uninterested in and incapable of understanding the job market. It's so much easier and more satisfying to just shout "fuck you, I got mine"
Just to give you some hope in humanity, my father is a baby boomer. He totally understands and has a lot of empathy and worry for his grand children who are in college right now.
yES, MY PARENTS HAVE NO IDEA HOW HARD IS IT
It's not just the 70s. Even in the 90s (when I graduated), the days where you could go get a job right after high school making a living wage were all but gone. You had a much better chance with a college eduction of any kind than you do today, but even then it was no guarantee depending on the degree. Don't make it all about your generation, a lot of generations have struggled.
@@BlitzkriegOmegaTry being over 50 and looking for a job. Ageism is real.
I love how Harvard , of all places, did a study regarding application anonymity and fairness.
It was done way before their wokeness😂
@@inquisitvem6723What makes Harvard woke now?
@@volatilememory9338racial and diversity quota. If you're Black, Moslem, lesbian or runs climate activism, AND you add your she, her, airplane pronouns. You get to the front of the line.
@ondreiii Harvard was sued for racial discrimination against Asian Americans for admission. It had nothing to do with LGBT or religions. Harvard lost based on the Supreme Court ruling for race conscious admssion. Can you provide more information on your claims regarding LGBT and religions "cutting" the line?
@volatilememory9338 That is exactly why they were sued. They were artificially lowering the pass mark for black and Latino applicants, and raising the pass mark for white and Asian applicants. Because white and Asian is not diverse, and black and Latino is diverse.
guess what, I even feel that recruiters sometimes set you up for an interview, so that they are "busy" doing something and won't get laid off. They may not be really hiring. They just want to look busy. And they may even let you do an interview, some may even ask you to do a 5 hour "homework", and then later on, tell you they are moving on with other candidates, which is just a boilerplate statement. Well, then they won't allow you to be interviewed with that company for a full year. That's bad treatment to you, right? In America, it is called, "Well, it is YOUR problem."
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! I had an agency called me and sounded I am about to get a job and kept saying my resume impressive (hiring managers never say that) and set me up for an interview with her manager first and then they said we will send your info to the hiring manager(google) (22/h) then they never come back. A real hiring agency they sent my info to the hiring manager (google) (the same company!) (28/h)! without all of that crab (my manager interview) (which by the way he said that happen if you got the job not before!) in 3 days he emailed me that I have face to face interview with the hiring manager (google!) and guess what I got an offer!! Believe it or not once I had a face to face interview the girl from the first agency called me and said I just want to tell you that your resume is shortlisted which is a good thing and I did not forget about you (yeah right you called me because you saw my name on interview) so the first agency never sent my info or the hiring manager told them. Boy I will call her and tell her I got the job! have you sent my info to the hiring manager because I asked him and he said it is the first time I seen your resume! because the hiring manager deny double submit! so yeah I got more than 5 emails offering opportunities daily!! becarful which one is real! good luck
HR has to "look busy," how else can you explain hundreds and sometimes thousands of applicants for one job?
@@frankhalgas3798 funny thing is, after several days of coordinating with this and that recruiter, I finally was able to go on a phone call with the hiring manager. The first thing we found out was, the hiring manager was looking for an iOS developer, while my resume's OBJECTIVE line clearly says I am looking for web front end development
There should be a law that imprisons any sociopathic recruiter who does this and endangers at least some of the job seekers that did this.
@@vanesslifeygo I'd like for it to happen, except they usually can claim, "we are testing the market", "we are checking to see if we can get an exceptional candidate", "we are doing our due diligence once the budget allows hiring"... you know, they can always claim that, just like they sell somebody something useless and claim, "oh that's just my job to sell" (even by using psychology twisting). "nobody forced him to buy"
I sent our 400 resumes in 6 months. Each one I worked on. I tweaked the cover letter. I got 5 calls and no offers. Ironically, at the time I was helping others tweak their resume for some cash. I did 3 resumes - they all got jobs within a week!
Can you help me tweak my resume bro? Tell me what I’m missing?
Sad to hear that bit I wonder in what industry are you?
I have send 1200 CVs in Europe over 18 months, non technical person but with good experience and education. Got me only 3 interviews. 😪
I remembered back in 2007 I sent around 60 job applications, I got 4 interviews, all rejections after that, but out of 4 interviews, I got 2 potential job offers, but I chose 1 before I got the other potential one, I said potential because the manager already toured me around the office before I told him I've accepted another role. Stayed there for 14 years, regretted it, should have stayed for 5 years max.
@@jelenab6289I don’t even do cover letters and I still get interviews
That is not the way to do it @@jelenab6289. I can help
Now make one for entry level 😂 I am sure it goes to 1-2 interviews per 100 applications
I recently graduated with an electrical engineering degree and can confirm
Currently going through this and yeah…accurate 😅
Exactly! If only I could put Meta for my recent work experience lol I'm sure I would be getting interviews too!
And that would be 1 2 interviews from 1000 applications if you are qualified with a foreign name applying to "no experience" jobs
@@nikkimikk3353Yes!
I have a resume type 3 styled, and I got 50% interviews on my applies. I think the difference in this is the kind of job you're seeking: in my case, I was looking for a communications/content creation/marketing job. In that field, being focused on looks and creating something visually beautiful is more important vs. a job where being data-driven is more important.
If your target job has busy people, they will appreciate #3, I would just use a solid white background. The Swiss style seems to be gaining traction now as well.
@@AFuller2020 Agreed! It all depends: right now I have a light pink resume hahaha
Can you help me land a job for Content Writing?
@@esmeekruidhof1887 i also work in the same field and have a resume like this! However i started with a light pink one as well because it’s « my personality » but it quickly changed it for a dark colors (gray-ish) one, out of fear it was too « girly ». Great to know your light pink works!
@@jbkawaiiholic I also feared it was to girly, so I added a more "rock/metal" style font to it to make it more gritty and also give a slight hint to my interests (I also added a picture of one of my favorite metalbands, which seemed a nice conversation starter as well during interviews).
This video was spot on. I am white and my name is a black persons name. Co-workers at jobs thought I was black because of my name before they met me whenever I started a new job. I will tell you first hand employers profile names and because of my name and racial profiling this has prevented me from getting interviews. I recently changed my name on my resume and my theory worked. I got more calls for interviews. Sad but true.
Was it like a Tyrone/Lamar-type name? Ironically they are wht names! Tyrone and Lamar are Irish and German, respectively. Some "black names" we associate with blk people are European. Interestingly enough, Quantavius was from Medieval Europe.
How did you explain the name change on the interviews?
@@faa1412I thought Tyrone was French.
I shorten my name so they don't judge me by my name. My only question is, what is a "black name"?. Blacks were not even allowed to keep our original names, so they are mostly European. I kind of understand what you're saying but to call a name of black name or a white name is very cringe-worthy
@@sunchild9455 it might be cringe-worthy to you, but In the mid/late 60's there was a great re-association of Black people to very specific cultural ties such as names/holidays/traditions. This was in response, primarily to two specific events. The first being the rebranding of the Republican party as being "by the white man, for the white man". Black people used to be primarily Republican, prior to this rebranding ushered in by people such as Barry Goldwater. The 2nd event was the Black Cultural Movement in the 90's
Keep in mind that recruiters aren't always hiring or looking to fill needed positions, they only do that once in a while if they're actually running short of workers. And trust me it got nothing to do with the layout or the colors in your resume because they don't even read it in the first place and don't care about the skills you're bringing to the establishment. They have other criterias based on requests from the general directors as sex, age or place of residence and even if you were the only professionally qualified person among their favorable candidates, they will just stall you with additional interviews and silly homeworks and at the end tell you they'll proceed with other candidates or completely ghost you. Job hunt is simply pure luck and i wish the best of it for everybody that's searching.
Not true. My husband worked as a recruiter and he always made sure to find the right person for the right job. He’d give advice on how to navigate the interviews, what to wear/what to say etc. he also made sure he got as much detail from the clients as possible regarding the job position. He told me the worst thing a recruiter can do is just shove random people for a job and not have them work out or last. He said that reflects on the recruiter. If they try to push bad workers on the client then it makes you as the recruiter look just as bad.
@@spinecollector9931 you are so wrong. No human system is fair. People make decisions due to emotions and personal self interest. Rarely someone makes a decision keeping moral and ethical values in mind.
@@Farhat-afza well I’m just explaining my point of view from what I’ve seen and heard from my own husband. Not saying everyone is like him, some of the people he worked with aren’t even like that. but those who came in looking for a job, my husband would go out of his way to make sure it was a good fit. That’s just who he is. Doesn’t make my comment wrong, it’s just in that specific circumstance shows that not everyone is lazy or careless about their job.
Your husband is ONE PERSON among how many others? Believe me, they're mostly what the OP described.@@spinecollector9931
I have to say in Japan's paiza, getting an interview is much easier than in the West.
The reason resumes 3 and 5 were unsuccessful is that the Applicant Tracking System (ATS) was unable to read them. Recruiters do not have the time or energy to read every resume; they rely on the ATS, which scans the resumes and assigns a score of up to 100 points. If your score is below 80, you will automatically receive a rejection email. A score above 80 means a recruiter will review your resume. That's why it's advisable to search for an ATS-friendly resume template and use that instead.
This is the first time I've ever seen reference to a specific number being the cutoff for rejections. I'm going to try this and see what my results are. Thanks!
I had two. One for applying and one optimized to use during an interview.
The people that read the resumes after the algorithm are not "recruiters" for the company, they're outsourced firms.
this is tremendously useful. cheers.
What is the ATS looking for? I've plugged in the exact words and phrases used in a job ad into my cover letter. That worked a few times for interviews but then never again. I just don't get what the automated system is looking for.
I have watched a few of these, types of interviews and out of all of them. This is by far the most valuable information I have received. When you said about removing the time not being worked, I lit up as what you said next, was what I was thinking from the get go. Get a course to help securing a new role. Nice one young man!!
Your experiment with resumes is both insightful and shocking! It's a real eye-opener for job seekers to understand what actually works. Thanks for sharing!
That is unbelievable, in this day and age, graduating from college you'll need to start sending out at at least 200 resumes to get a job, would've never thought it would be like this. How in the world people are sending out 200 resumes? Some kind of automation app?
Dedication. That's how they're doing it.
I am paying $25 a month for Myperfect resume. It zips it out pretty quick.
I've applied to over 5,000 positions but have not gotten an offer
@@johndong4754 now u lying, unless u sent out the shittiest resume anyone has ever seen. at least one job would call back after FIVE-THOUSAND
ur definitely doing sum wrong bro @@johndong4754
It's essential to approach the job search with a fresh mindset and avoid falling into these traps. Thank you for the helpful advice!
We may as well have an AI do this. If these corporations will cheat and be biased after running your resume through algorithms after you spend so much time preparing. Then let's automate this process.
The power is insanely one sided in America, practically the average person is just a pawn to toss in the trash when a company sees fit. Then make these processes easier for the average person. At least have a fighting chance
They lie and cheat you, but don't you dare lie and cheat them because they'll make sure you never succeed in this trash Country.
Bruh. Computer software is already scoring and rejecting apps. Not ppl.
@@newagain9964 lol exactly, and this is not new. I'd say for 20+ years, computers search keywords and reject resumes as a first pass. we were taught (back in the 90s and 2000s) to write keywords in the resume so that these software picks up on those that matches the job posting. this is not new. now, it's just gotten better with AI, that's all. same game.
amazon already tried this and threw the project out cause they trained the model on employees they had at the company and created the same biased described in the video.
It's not just America. I experience those same issues in Europe too. But I'm originally Moroccan so Idk if it's as bad for actual Europeans too.
I had a 3 year gap in employment and got a job offer. I was honest about it and told the recruiter that I explored and lived life. I got into astronomy, photography, backpacking and travel. Done some of the things I wanted while I was young enough(40’s). They saw value in my passion, experience and boldness and thought these experience offered a unique perspective.
Edit: three years is a long time. I got the impression from my interviews that a 12-24 month gap is easier to justify as long as you are doing something. Think taking some courses or the other things I described. Just don’t smoke weed and play games all day. That helps no one haha. It also depends on your field. I’m in business services so it’s easier to walk back in. If your field could pass you by in three years, then maybe consider taking less time or do some volunteer work to keep sharp along with a short course or two while you’re away. Good luck!
Playing games will be a great asset for drone and laser weapons operators. Never disregard any skill.
Had a 3 year gap as well. I got 2 IT certs to show I was current and got in with public sector
@@FiringSquad81 you missed my point-and that’s a skill you may want to work on😉
@@ChopperChad I am not speaking on your point if you noticed. Just one detail. Maybe work on your reading comprehension. Have a good day😅
I think the result can be biased and it should be mentioned/resolved in the video. This is how they may be biased: After sending the first resumes to each of the companies, many of the recruiters would remember the details of the first resumes. So after sending additional few resumes to the same companies, recruiters could recognize similar information, thus they could be more prone to rejecting other resumes, because of them being sus. That bias may cause the whole experiment to be missinformming. But maybe I am wrong, if you think so, please share your point of view 😊
I think your underestimating the number of resumes people look at and overestimating what people remember. Additionally, resumes are going to have a lot of similarities in general.
Exactly! Instead of instantly screaming racism he could have tried collecting decent data
Recruiters look at hundreds of resumes, for 7 seconds on average. Do you really think they would have remembered enough details? Not to mention it was likely a majority of different recruiters parsing these resumes...
@@matthewh6424 why do folks get so triggered when someone points out racist biases exist
@@PraiseYeezus because it isn't clearly racist. He submitted very similar resumes under a different name. To rule out a person or even more likely an algorithm that could have flagged those submissions as suspicious he would have to apply to an entirely new set of jobs starting with the ethnic minority's name and then compare the results. If two students submit very similar essays they get flagged. Do you believe large companies wouldn't use similar tools? It's blatantly bad data. That is all. I don't have any tolerance for it after the COVID nightmare that was primarily a result of idiots without the capacity to identify flawed data.
That was very informative. Thanks for not making it look like a lecture. I loved it!
Appreciate the kind words 🫶💡
wonderful video! It would be interesting for you to do a part two where you use the same resume, use a unisex name, but select different demographics (gender, race, ethinicity, etc) on each application , even including the "prefer not to say" option, and see how many interviews you get.
Also, try politically loaded options, like being openly LGBTQQTIDAAAFPPPO2BNNGGAPP3OXK+, or a trump-supporting conservative with a gender identity of either "AH-64 'Apache' Attack Helicopter" or "#### You".
Thank you. You're a very kind person. And the info is very helpful. Cheers!
Thank you for addressing these mistakes head-on. It's refreshing to see someone discussing the challenges teachers face when transitioning careers. Your video provides valuable guidance and encouragement. Keep up the excellent work!
I love you guys - your content - so helpful! I used your advice just redid my resume to your number 1 resume option to see if I got more interviews on your template (I was getting interviews with my first - and to my sadness I have not got 1 interview yet with this new template! This job hunting is so BRUTAL - and also brutal to see this rewrite did not get me any at this point- have applied to almost 40 already - I even used your Resume AI to update it… not sure what works these days! So brutal y’all!
I've used both styles the style of the 1st one for many years I just updated to the canva template style without color & Im still not getting interviews...I have ethnic female name & I'm a general admin so that could play into my lack of interviews...go figure!
What resume type did you have initially
Beautiful resume guy here. will re-do the resume for the job search however will probably still do A/B testing to try and hone in on what works best.
Man, so nice! Your sense of humor is really good, keep it up!
Thank you soooo much for this video! It’s full of content!
Objectively the resume with META as an employers significantly got a higher interview rate. The other ones were nearly identical in response.
This is a valid observation. The difference between 8 percent and 18 percent is notable, but once you take Meta out of the equation, it's down to a couple of percent. And even the most exacting of studies will include that amount or more in their "margin for error"
@@kevinmach730 no study would consider 10% as an acceptable margin of error.
@@bngr_bngr I'm not talking about the difference between the highest and lowest of interview rates. I'm talking about exactly what you stated- that when Meta was left off the resume, the ratio was like 2%-3% difference among them, regardless of the name, the resume etc. Definitely a level most studies would be comfortable and enough to call the difference inconclusive among the smaller response samples.
@@kevinmach730 meta was only taken off 2 of the resumes - and 1 was replaced with amazon
@@kevinmach730 What are you talking about? All of the resumes had Meta on it, except for 1 - so for those 4 - which had 18%, 10%, 8% and 8% ... that's pretty significant for those three lower vs. the 'standard.'
Thanks for doing this experiment and the video. So what can we do if we don't have brand name companies to put on our resume to increase the interview rate?
Takeaway, a simple and straightforward version, thank you very much ❤😊
this was good thank you for that, Wow i'm blown away by this!
This was very insightful. Now, I don't feel as bad. Everything is a game! Technology is upgrading so quickly I can hardly keep up. Take me back to when you could walk into a company office and fill out an application. Take me back to the newspaper and look through the job section. Take me back to the temp agencies. You could practice typing right there in their office. The temp agencies would send you out right away on a job assignment. Now, you don't meet anyone. Everything is filling out your personal information on line and then they don't call you back. Ugh!
I hear what you're saying april but times have changed and the world you remember no longer exists. One must adapt and move with the times or risk becoming irrelevant.
It's like me choosing to rely on horse and carriage in the age of the car, or bringing my own typewriter to work instead of learning how to use a computer with a wordprocessor.
However, I GET it. You just prefered the 'simpler' times when there was less information overloard with the internet and web etc.
@@The-Great-Brindian You're right!
Thats right i have been sitting home for 6 weeks now applying to many but get none all they do is send more job alearts
For that to happen I think the internet needs to be shut down :P
My k-brother made his point real simple and clear, I'm gotta come up with a white name!
This is a really great experiment I absolutely love it!!!! Thank you for taking the time to get such applicable insights for so many job seekers out there!!
I was applying in last year with beautiful resume, and this year with something like on this video - and I see definitely more responses
Ha ha...I got asked that very question at an interview for an opening at the British Consulate back in 2013. "...Hmm, I noticed you weren't working between 2011 and 2012, what were you doing during that time?" And so, I answered that ridiculous question with... "Oh right...that was the time me and Bin Laden was cave hopping in Afghanistan. Do you know mountain goats stink to high heaven, in any case, that was a very stressful time in my life and I said to myself, I need a a new job...and here I am" Do you know what happened next? The interviewer said, "Well thank you for coming and we wish you luck, now off you go! ...Shelly, can you send the next one in please..."
The question is not ridiculous, but they are not satisfied with "I was trying to get a job but nobody would hire me."
@@tilodelau4600They want everyone to be workaholics like they are.
From an employer perspective, you are a wage slave. A leased piece of equipment. The idea is that if you can afford to take a year or several years away from wage slavery, you won't be able to be a good wage slave. That's why you don't get hired. If you're gonna do that, start your own company, take courses, work on projects, make it clear the time was still spent working and growing your skills, then they would think you're just an ambitious wage slave.
nicely put if a little cynical
Hi Je Hak! Thanks for this analysis. It is very useful, especially the template and ethnic part ))
Thank you so much for sharing your findings! All the Best, ck
I had a pretty resume from a canva template like number 3, and havent had many interviews. I changed it a template very similar to resume 1 and fingers crossed it will bring me more interviews soon!
how did it go
hey how did it go
What I do is I maintain 2 resumes just like 1 and 3 in the video. WIth the same conten.
You would think a canva resume would attract more interviews. A simple resume may be better.
3 business degrees, one is a Master's, 5+ years of exp, 5 months unemployed. Barely any interviews and tons of rejection. More than qualified for the positions I applied for. Apparently they prefer women in HR, so I've been told.
sorry about this. i’m sure good news is coming your way very soon.
I'm sure you have some value to give...maybe you can get on social media start building your own business.
@@reese_rinde I got hired as an HR Specialist Remote, for a big Insurance Company. Ty 🙏
@@2dblefistn265 happy for you man
Why the hell would you want to work for HR ? HR literally ruins people’s lives
I just watched your video and I really enjoyed it. The experiment you did was fantastic and very informative and your energy was incredible, which was great. Thanks for the awesome video.
This was great. Thank you very much
Proper formatting too is very important. A recruiter will take one glance and either 1. Throw it in the trash bin or 2. Be fascinated and more drawn if you showcase your accomplishments vs what duties you did on your role. Remember, it’s the first few secs that matter. Recruiters go through tons of resumes finding top notch candidates to fulfill roles.
any suggestions how to format resume?
Formatting isn't that important, as long as it's not suck. It should look decently civilized, but an employer would be nuts to think that a mechanical engineer, welder, accountant, or anesthesiologist should be highly skilled at graphic arts and typography. Following the rules to perfection is should matter only for those who will be designing brochures, making ads, designing trade show booths, making presentations, producing videos, etc. Yet I keep hearing career "experts" saying everyone should make their resume a stellar example of fine design taste, to follow a bunch of formatting rules.
@@zz-ic6vy TBH I think this video uploaders CVs are TOO dense and lack whitespace for "breathability" specially the top section. I think hes right that you shouldnt use fancy multi columns or colours or too many different fonts BUT even with one font type no columns no colours type of CV can be poorly laid out
@@DrunkenUFOPilot formatting matters more than its content. it should be simplistic not artistic. even if you were the best in the whole world, no one will read your resume fully.
Should've done one where you change the school they went to. Everyone always saying it doesn't matter where you got your education and all that. Lets see how much the school prestige really matters.
It does matter. I mean comon, if brand name matters? It is not hard to deduce school prestige matters right?
It can matter, but it usually only for a select number of schools and employers. For example, the state where I live, there are roughly 60 different 4 year colleges. Only 2-3 of them are truly coveted by employers, and for the other 57 or so, it really doesn't matter. It's usually the bigger organizations that pay attention to it, and it's usually just pertains to people right out of college. Where you went to school becomes less and less important as you add more roles and actual work experience to your resume.
Should I use the 1st resume template to apply for a design jobs like UX/UI design? Will it be more successful compared to the beautiful version (3rd template)?
You can't change more than one factor. There is no control, but changing multiple factors makes it unscientific.
Let's not forget that most of the people who are getting hired in corporations know someone. They have contacts through family, friends, fraternities, etc. I think the only reason why a company even posts the jobs to the public is because they are required to by law. There should be federal laws to the hiring process with strict penalties. Otherwise, UBI is the only solution.
U.B.I. is not a solution. It's an aspiration (receiving it) that some people have.
Income as a requirement for survival, and the associated rent-seeking, plainly shouldn't exist.
who is obligated to ensure your survival?
@@bobleglob162 who is currently obligated? Myself
@@milklordnomadicgetting rid of income has got to be the stupidest thing I’ve seen as a TH-cam comment
Thanks for this info. Insightful on these stats with of course, humor. Hahaha!! Gracias!
Very validating. Traditional left to right reading helps. Bias exists and New in era who choose North American first names get more interviews. Great idea to fill geos with relevant courses and contract work.
How did you apply to the jobs and what platform did you use?
So what I'm hearing is that if I want an interview vs applying for literally 500 jobs for ONE interview, I should rename my current company to Amazon/Meta?
Got it!
I don't get how that would work in anyone's favor. Even if you pass ATS, HR will address this at the interview and then, what will you say? HR job is to verify your background, and one of the top redflags is that you lie on your resume.
@@monikabrozyna8904I think they said it sarcastically.
I have a question. I'm going to apply to a new job because the hours at my current job are slow and competitive and I can't stand my boss. Both applications (that I found online) ask about my previous workplace and my employer. One says "Company, Phone, Address, Supervisor, Job Title, Starting Salary, Ending Salary" etc. The other mentions employer's name and address. Either company would really contact my boss as a reference? I don't want that; I worry she would make me look bad. I admit, I've made mistakes at my current job, that she's witnessed. I mean, sure, I was always a hard worker, and she once thanked me for it (though it sounded fake in tone, like she was JUST saying it). BUT...there were times I seemed irresponsible. My boss isn't so much the context-understanding type. She's one of the reasons I want to leave to the job, to stop feeling like an idiot. Meanwhile, for said mistakes, how do I know she won't mention them, thus costing me my potential new job? IS her name and address so they can contact her?
Excellent job, very informative, you have a new subscriber!
We use to literally show up at companies and ask “you got any jobs?” and get employed.
What happened to those times?
@@johnnytsunami3558It has to be all done online now.
@@johnnytsunami3558that’s before AI.
So what should we do if we have not worked for Google or meta?
Thanks for posting, Jerry! How would you detail a 3-year job gap in the cover letter though? 🤔
Courses & certifications only hold down a portion of that time right?
Thanks, those instructions helped me to improve my resume immediately.
Nice A/B testing idea, but it's difficult to rely on these conclusions with such a small sample, not to mention that the job market is super diverse.
Concerning the names at the top, what different names may imply about ancestry or culture - what was the ethnicity, culture or ancestry of the first manager looking at the resume?
This is super insightful. I'm a woman with an ethnic name and a "beautiful" resume, and I'd say your calculations are spot on. I applied to hundreds of jobs, and I'd say about 1 in 10 of my submitted resumes got a callback, and 1 out of 20 actually got an interview. So that means for every 100 resumes, I only get about 5 interviews. Your video is eye opening and definitely helps me to see that I'm not just imagining things. I'll definitely change my resume to a simpler format and maybe use my middle name (Renee) instead and see how that works! Will keep you posted, thanks for the great video and great content 💪
What name is Renee? Is that supposed to be a white name?
@@tilodelau4600 I figure Renee might work better because it's French
tbf I'm a white guy and still get a very high rejection rate even with 10 plus years of experience (broad at that). some companies outright told me they prefer to hire women (this is in australia). there are many in the same boat when it comes to high application / high rejection phenomenon we are seeing in 2023
I personally prefer to self identify as black from the jump to avoid wasting my time. I have a plain, bland name so many do assume I’m not a black woman. I work nights so it is easy for me to go to all job interviews during the day.
Great content. Thanks for making this!
Thank you for this. Really needed that.
Another point to note is that these resumes mentioned a Bachelor of Science in Business Management at Williams College in Williamstown, MA. Williams is a liberal arts college and they do not offer any pre professional degrees; therefore, these resumes would be referring to a degree that would be impossible to get at that college. That could be another factor affecting the acceptance rate. A recruiter could do a simple search and realize it’s not legitimate and mark this information discrepancy as a red flag. One would hope that an applicant (even if this is a mock scenario video) would know what degree they are getting and majoring in for four years.
I think most employers save that for background checking which happens after the first interview
True. But if you’re white then you probably have a good reason to lie so accepted anyway xD
@@jcdenton7914 Also what I found out is that most companies won´t actually run a background check (minus criminal), unless there´s something that seems obvious off, as she mentioned with the degree. They willl tell you the opposite to justifiy other reasons...
@@jcdenton7914That’s totally fair. I probably should have mentioned that this error would have had more weight for east coast companies that are large and more prominently known. This is because the video specifically chose Williams, which is ranked as the number one liberal arts college in the United States. For talent acquisition teams and recruiters who are based in the New England area (and may have gone to school in that region too), there’s a lesser chance of them needing to even do research since Williams is well-known.
Recruiters doesn't make researchs to check resumes reliability. They got a lot of other resumes to read. The rate of each resume reading is around 30 seconds.
Great experiment. Thank you for that. One other note - differentiation matters. The last software developer job I posted I got over 200 resumes that made it through the machine filter and HR first pass. After looking at the first dozen they all look the same. Even a little difference with relevant hobbies or experience can make the difference.
now what are the results from using a resume without the months for your work added in? was there an increase or a decrease in interview requests?
Hi Jeri, I agree. This is an eye opener. I have an ethnic last name. Thank You for your tips! The struggle is real! 😢 ❤
Sadly in the Philippines to be a cashier or bagger you need to be a college graduate. To be a government clerk you need to have a backer
Philippines' on-site job market is dissapointing. As an accounting student, I'm starting to learn a lot of accounting softwares before I graduate, plan to get a bookkeeping NC III and head to Business Process Outsourcing jobs immediately.
You should have tried an ethnic name plus a job gap combined together into one resume. I am wondering if it would've further reduced the percentages.
No, of course not. Obviously, it would have increased the percentages 🙄
@@ecm3030 ok darren
I love your approach! Consider that most resumes are fed into OCR systems for storage and retrieval so HR can prove they posted the job widely. If yours won't scan well- you are OUT. Also, careful about unrelated volunteer work, it can reveal personal views that are not 'PC". Last, when I screened resumes for interviewing I always looked for any evidence that the applicant had genuine interest in the field, and the level of initiative -so your advice to take classes, or attend professional meetings is PERFECT!
"... most resumes are fed into OCR systems for storage and retrieval..." Any way to prove that claim?
Omg!! This is amazing! I wish more people were honest about these things...
No, do this for entry-level dev, no experience, tons of projects, and self-taught. What would you even put on a resume besides the projects, courses, and the set of skills you know?
*8-10 is too small of a gap to mean anything.*
And the 18 initial result could be due to the resume not being flagged as it was not reusing information like the other resumes that followed it.
The video even mentions changing the company name to avoid being flagged YET literally every other word was left exactly the same. 😄 Pretty sure half the companies flagged it.
Exactly, the supposed correlations here are waay too loose to mean anything.
He also said anything above 5% is good, but later tells you to throw away the resume that got 8 interviews.
@@asdf8948 you want the best/most opportunities. Why would you keep the worse overall performer as your go-to?
Right. This "experiment" was pretty useless from a real data perspective.
@@L1623VP It was only really useful in highlighting that if you have a non "white" sounding name you may experience a lot of rejection
But how is that info used during the hiring process? Do recruiters have to prioritize certain groups?
Thanks for taking the time to do this sort of experiment. To me, it validates what I already know about HR corporate America esp all the talk about how they want a diverse work force.
My resume is filled with dope companies and I still don’t get interviews smh
Same, and huge names too! Like McDonald's and Walmart you name it smh..😒
Is your resume ATS compliant? I used ChatGPT to rewrite my resume to make it ATS friendly and I put the resume in Indeed ATS checker and then I said to chatGPT “this is what indeed said what was missing from my resume fix it accordingly” and it did it
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The problem with that idea is that Indeed is completely unreliable, they keep job ads on there for YEARS after they've been filled. And using AI will get you flagged.@@rabalac
I bought ATS compliant resumes online, if anyone is interested, just share me with your email, I will send you the templates
Lets help each others in this fuked up market
Controlling for age would be very interesting also. I bet that stating an age of 40+ would net you almost no callbacks whatsoever regardless of experience or any other factors.
I don't put my undergrad and grad school graduation years on my resume any more, and my early careers are listed as "other experience" with no dates. Sad that we have to do this.
@@mike325ci Former HR Director here. This hides nothing, unless it's really smoothly done. Why would you even put anything older than 10 years on the resume? Honestly, unless you worked for POTUS or similar 15 years ago, we don't much care. Keep it current and leave the past behind you.
@@thinkabouthelogic I think thats an interesting subject how far back are employers interested in? Yes I know it can vary but Im beginning to think anything further back than 5 years is like ancient history
Amazing, thank you for doing the science. ❤
I’ve been told that resumes with columns, which #3 definitely has, is not ATS friendly. I do think #3 is eye appealing, but I keep reading and hearing from corporate recruiters not to use columns or too much color. Some white space is definitely appreciated. Resume #s 1 and 2 need some white space, they’re busy. And header columns for work experience, education, etc. can be all caps and a color. Mine is teal. Right now, it’s such a game, so I’m trying to be as easy on ATS platforms as possible. I also use a resume/job description comparator, which tells you what keywords are missing so you can add them to your resume and get a 70% match rate or higher!
hi, whats the resume/ job description keyword thing called?
@@nutellaunicorn2673
Jobs scan and many other websites are available.
Upload your resume
Copy paste job description
and you will get result for how much your resume matches the job description
There are no "corporate recruiters," they outsource it.
I agree totally that the first 2 resumes/cvs need more white space. I gave up trying to make my CV computer software friendly as I ended up with a CV I was not comfortable with
Ive already had 3 fortune 500 job experience .... However, I was hired through my network of friends former coworkers and acquaintances ... Never had to use my resume as part of potential to get hired
my career has roughly been the same. only ever get hired when their is a connection at the company or previously at the company. i wish it didn't work this way though. i consider myself lucky
I knew a hiring authority for a big automotive company who basically told me when they need to hire someone, the first thing they do is ask their team if they know of anyone looking. There are several other methods after that, like recruiter/HR agencies, job fairs, etc- but the very last thing they try- you guessed it, is looking through randomly submitted resumes or posting vacancies on job sites.
Yep this is the most realistic comment right here.
wow I'm glad I watched this I was about to do a complete redesign to make my CV beautiful almost mona Lisa in standards of artistic direction since I went through one of those CV reviewers
Can you do one more with international students or where they have to sponsor the visa for the applicant.
If you have few months between jobs stretch the employment timeline. Employers won´t question that nuance. No one is 100% honest, not even the job descriptions..
Just like job titles can be rearranged for example "Garbage man" turned to Waste management officer
(As a waste management officer, I created and put the plans in place to provide a reliable and efficient service for the collection, transportation and disposal of waste. Responsible for ensuring legislation is followed and budgets are managed effectively.)
Even if it's been a few years, I would list your last employer as your current employer- as most hiring authorities know contacting them is off limits. There is still some risk there, obviously, that they could both find out and chose to dismiss you for it. But that may be one worth taking.
@@kevinmach730 If they have a gap of 2 years (however doing further education) cause of the pandemic and worked short project jobs (which if you put those in will make you look like a job hopper) , do you really want to stretch it that far? ...Sure if you move countries different laws apply and most outside the US don´t background check, at the most request for a criminal record...
@@Proposal12 I guess it's a matter of trying to act like you continuing your education vs working. I am overeducated as it is, am older with 25 years in the work force. As such I am not interested in trying to spend more money I education I don't in trying to justify a gap in employment, which is a stupid trend HR that gained traction 10 or so years ago. I do agree that there is some risk, but for me personally, it's definitely a gamble I would take.
@@kevinmach730 yeah I`m almost the same, I´m not 25 either, so while im still interested in always learning regardless of age regarding my field , would you really stretch it out!?...
@@kevinmach730 Considering employers don´t like big work gaps...damn if you do damn if you dont...
Please do a video about photo on a resume and how its applicable to various countries..
There's a nice idea at the heart of this, but the experiment could be repeated at least once or twice more, and the actual number of resume submissions increased threefold, perhaps. This will ensure that any coincidences or other factors not being controlled for, will have less impact on the conclusiveness of the data. Sample size mostly.
Good on you for doing this though.
Thank you Jerry. It really does help a lot.
its sad how discrimination is still rampant. Comes to show we have the wrong types of people as 'Recruiters.' I had an interview recently where the recruiter called me because of my extensive sales experience but then noticed I did not have 'cold calling' experience and started berating me for that. 'While I explained my work history she kept interrupting me and pretty much told me I don't qualify for the job because I didn't have cold call prospecting experience. The thing is I do just not as much as my account manager experience. Oh well, I've learned to not force things when it comes to job hunting. What you are meant for will come to you.
I heard somewhere being a female helps ALOT
Probably dodgy pervs trying to get slags applying for secretary jobs. When there is no job to offer.
Or black or lgbtq
@@HL-iw4nw 😂
@Niv so true… it’s already hard for me to find the positions that match me..and even then,they specifically ask for male candidates most of the time (for the job role i’m looking for)..
A lot*
Start with your experience. Quick learner. Computer literate. Follows instructions. Organized. And it doesn't necessarily have to be work oriented. Think about it. Cooking - Using recipes? First you have to plan (what ingredients do you have, make a list of what you need, ). Do you have all the equipment? Grater or zester? Slicer? blender?cutting board, knife for veggies, knife for meat etc. Then you have to go get what you don't have. Then you have to set up tools, foods, bowls, pots & pans - it's called organizing. Then you have to cook items in the order instructions tell you for the time it says to. So you are planning, organizing, managing your time and following instructions. When people say they're a bad cook - they're bad at one or more of those things.
most recruiters are pretty much clueless and spend their days trying to put square pegs in round holes. There are a few that know their stuff.
If they're discriminating against your name before they even see you, what do you think they're going to do when you reveal your name or your face? What happens is that, especially for people like myself with an African background, we just hope that they will have a shortage of candidates and the need for our skill outweighs prejudice.
the recruiter is the screener, and doesnt have the power to say no if the hiring manager wants you. you're interacting with a different person in that first step.
let's not waste time on this, please! If there's racism in football, something that is public like that, what do you think happens to the hiring process, something that happens in close doors?
The same people who are supporting and harassing players publicly also have day jobs, some of them are hiring managers. Do the maths - It's not hard to work out.
Discrimination is systematic, and I have spent time analyzing this stuff. We are not that dump, trust me.@@FroisonControl
Recruiters are the first quality gate and if they are biased you are not getting a call from Hiring Manager
They have quotas and only allow so many of these types of people. People like me have always known this, we just hope we are lucky enough to enter the bracket. The system was built to be unjust. That is why we have things like immigration law. It's unfair by design.@@Shinn-sy6jf
very informative and eye-opening! kudos to you
How did you sample the 100 jobs? How do you ensure random sampling? Are there any overlaps between the set of jobs?
How do you sitcho ass down and stop complaining about how a test should be done like the world relies on it.
Every "career coach" advised me that you need to remove all horizontal and vertical lines (to get past ATS) - and you need to INCLUDE the months. I applied for somewhere between 300-500 jobs, too - after 23 years at the same company - having subsequent jobs with no-name companies hurt me - was laid off 3x in the past 3 years. But I finally caught a break - working again now at a reputable place. I have a standard white woman name, which probably helped. But I'm older than the hills (profile pic is 20 yrs old), which was a huge problem - they assumed I did not know technology - not true. My "gap" was a different type of job - I didn't want to put it on my resume - licensed massage therapist - because it just was irrelevant - was told I should include LMT to show no gap, but I preferred to do things my way. One thing I've heard and agree with - skip the damn pronouns - it tells them you're going to be an entitled problem. I don't care what you call me - just don't call me late for dinner. And if you want me to call you something other than what you are, it's not necessary to tell me in advance.
my resume is like that too. I jumped around in my field.
I've been told that too, to have something in for every "gap". Trouble is, depending on how life went, you might be adding so much inert gap filler material your resume becomes another page longer. These days, if a potential employer has concerns about "gaps" that aren't brushed off with a few words, I just politely end the conversation and cross that company off my list.
Don't you think the interview rate would be higher if you are selective about applying only to jobs your resume makes you well suited for?
probably, but might as well shoot your shot lol
@TheGavinFree but there's a cost to you for every job application... it takes time and energy... time and energy better spent to upskilling to be a stronger candidate which increases % chance of success PER job application... which is a "force multiplier". It also increases the chances of getting a job that's a good fit for your interests and skill set which will be a much happier work life long term
When you are on benefits, they expect you to apply for any and every job, even if you are not well suited, so that they don't have to pay you benefits anymore, and then blame you for not getting a job.
Society doesn't really care about the unemployed.
It is every man for himself.
Do interviewers actually check whether we interned at a certain company or not? If not, I might just say I interned at a big company, but keep the internship obscure and small..
Thanks for conducting this.
Im the only designer in a team of 7 that despite having the same skills, talents and same or more experience as my teamates, wont get promoted because Im the only female and hispanic in the group. DISCRIMINATION IS REAL and strong.
Move to another company, why wait and stay. START seeking a new role.
Wow. What a bunch of work this must have been.
It wasn’t. He applied to same company with all 4 resumes.
Thanks man! I am changing my resume right now
Great content. First experience with you -- subscribed.
" i applied to 500 jobs‘
Sooo another avarge week in America? Lol’
The result is a bit off. Sure, the interview rate could have been explained by the resume's look and quality, but it also might have been attributed to the type of companies you apply. If 5 different resumes were sent to the same 100 companies, the outcome would be more reliable.
There were only 100 companies. He sent the same 5 resumes to all 100 companies
He did do this, but I think this is less reliable if anything, after giving the first interview, they probably realise that the CV is almost identical and think something is up.
@@nark4837Yes, it's exactly what I thought about
Good experiment 👏🏾