Just paired my ryzen 7 7800x3d with a RX 7900XTX Red Devil. And put it on a highish end motherboard that Jason loves😇 Put it all in Jasons favorite case. The lian Li O11D Evo🤣 Altho i did NOT use Lian LI fans and cooler. I went for Arctic LF II 360 and Arctic P12 fans.
That’s crappy. I got lucky because in Newegg it dropped to 229. Plus I had 40 bucks in egg points. lol. I almost went with the i9-12900k. But for the extra 100 bucks. I don’t see me using that extra money the right way. I would offer to buy and ship one to you. But the last time I did that. The shipping ended the savings. lol. We tried.
PLEASE KEEP DOING THESE! I love this format with recommendations and capable parts! It makes things way less confusing for me and narrows down my options way more.
Haven't built a PC in about 15 years. Kids and life got in the way. Decided to jump in at the Mid level and this helped me decide on the Ryzen 5 5600X and the Radeon 6700XT with 32gb DDR4 ram. Lets just hope I still know how to build one. I'll keep using these videos for reference.
@@ploob.2207 bro, DDR is almost a 30 year old tech and DDR5 isn't worth the significant cost increase for the slight increase in performance over DDR4. Also, you just cant "upgrade" from DDR4 to DDR5--you have to rebuild your whole system. The pinouts aren't even the same between DDR4 and DDR5. Basically double your build price (at least double) to use DDR5 over DDR4 and your speed improvement is going to be maybe 10%.
@@keldrini7939 Tell me why. At no point did you address any of the reasons I listed for choosing DDR4 over DDR5 and I'm pretty sure you don't even know the difference between DDR4 and DDR5--especially in the context of speed benchmarks.
It can be a lot I know! If you are just getting into PC building check out our "PC Parts Explained 2024" video. That's a good overview to get you started
Insanely good pairing. I bought my gf a system with an i5-10400f and a 1660ti with 32gb RAM and an NVME drive for 600 Canadian and honestly, compared to my PC which cost me 3500 CAD to build a few years ago, I don't think I'm ever spending big money on PCs ever again.
The classic 3600 and 1660 super is the only pairing I could afford when we had to replace a PC during the dreaded shortage a few years ago. It's still going alright. :) It certainly cost more than $100 at the time lol
@@DissoGG i am impressed with the lower end PCs lately but still going to save up to build a custom loop "no limit" monster just for the fun and the thrill
@@josephobuck5409high end gpu’s can cost upwards of $1000, high end CPU’s can cost upwards of $500 or more. High end motherboards can cost upwards of $300 or more. A psu that can handle that hardware may cost $200 or more. High speed ram can cost $150-200. This isn’t including the pc case, fans, water cooling/cpu cooler, accessories such as custom cables and not to mention peripherals such as keyboard and mouse, monitor and such. Keep in mind the prices I listed are in USD so I imagine CAD will be even more so it can get really pricy. Don’t let this discourage you though, like the people in this reply thread said, you can get good performance with budget hardware nowadays as games aren’t really getting more demanding nowadays on the low end. I personally am running a 3600 and 1660ti for 1080p gaming on my college pc and it’s served me quite well. I do though want to upgrade to 1440p gaming and want to play some more demanding games at higher graphics settings so I will be upgrading to the rtx 5070 when it becomes available as well as maybe the newest Gen Ryzen 5.
Had already picked up the 7800x3d in black Friday deals for £330 but instead of pairing with a 7900xt for £730 bagged a 7800xt Hell hound for £419. Couldn't justify the extra fps for over £300. Will use in my new build and wait to see what 4k cards next gen will bring 😊 Thanks for all your help Jason on my first build 👌
the 300 saved now will be much more worth in 3-4years if you upgrade your gpu, the 7800x3d will still be really neat, but swapping out the gpu is much better
@@dinkin_flicka14 Me too. Building mine tomorrow, last of the parts arrived yesterday. I wanted the 7900xt but the prices for some reason don't tend to scale just according to the currency conversion here in Canada. The 7900xt is around $1100 Canadian or more depending which version, that's more than I was willing to spend on it so I went 7800xt. I'm doing 1440p anyway so I think it'll be fine for a while.
You want your GPU to be the bottleneck. Here's why: If you plan on keeping the system a good few years, ultimately, you're going to upgrade the system at some point. It is *far* easier to upgrade your GPU than your CPU - which could well require an entirely new motherboard. I.e. Basically a new system. Get the CPU/motherboard which gives you the most headroom for future upgrades, and go for a solid midrange graphics card with good performance/value ratio. In 3 or 5 years you can replace your mid range card with another high-mid card, and I bet your high end CPU will still keep up with it. Also, if your CPU/motherboard is strong, you always have the options of adding more RAM etc etc... If you go the other way and max out the GPU against and cut corners on the CPU, you may have a slightly better system for *today* but you've limited your future expansion much more.
@@jarlwilliam9932 For gaming, get a 7800x3d, 32 gb of ram on an x670. Check how many sata ports they have tho, many of the x670 boards only have 2 or 4 sata and just incase you need to use more, you'd need a motherboard with more.
There's a consumer-specific set of value propositions to consider. Better performance now and over the lifetime of the current build is real value. Not everyone will keep most of their system when they upgrade again regardless of how much they try to plan ahead and leave 'room' for a 1-2 component migration. The timing/chance comes into play. And it's not the worst thing in the world to have a second system left on hand (or nearly one) after you upgrade. You can use it for different purposes or gaming in another room, gift to another, sell, etc. And the point in time where you will have the most breathing room for CPU upgrades will be the beginning of a new platform which exposes you to the most potential early-adopter issues.
@@bartterp88 thank u, u guys are so nice. I’ve researched a lot and the thing I’m most scared abt is installing the cpu into the motherboard. I’ve heard it’s really sensitive and easy to break. Let’s hope it goes well for me 😅
Brilliant video. I'm on my third or fourth PC build at this point, and the biggest problem whenever I return to the job (we're talking at least 6-7 years between builds) is trying to figure out what combinations make sense. It's pretty hard to find good resources on the topic. So thank you for making this video, and making the info so clear and easy to parse!
@@Nero_9000 13400f gives you plenty of headroom and be cost effective if going with a ddr4 mobo. A ryzen 5600 would be more than sufficient as well and quite a bit cheaper.
Biggest challenge may be selecting memory with timings that are beneficial to performance. If you're into gaming, follow YT wisdom and your discretion. For me it's hi-res images and a 1080ti works great, but its 11GB video RAM become limiting. For me and upgrade to, say, a RTX 4070ti Super (basically a slightly limited 4080) means 16GB but the ray tracing power will not help Lightroom (Camera Raw) and Photoshop. 32GB RAM is frequently exceeded so my workstation has 64GB (Windows - Linux and MacOS may need half of that or less). As to video RAM, part of image processing is done in the GPU and the OS wants to keep lots of pixels in the GPU RAM. GPU as coprocessor for LrC started a couple years ago and LrC was the only "user". Today even Windows uses it, e.g. to cache icons and previews of folder hierarchies. SW tools to "manage" that are limited.
@@dinkin_flicka14 This is what I just got. For my purposes, it is working great. It is for gaming, but I tend to play games that are more CPU and memory intensive, so to me, it made sense to shift the balance in favor of a higher end CPU and more RAM (64Gb). If you are running at higher resolution and primarily playing graphics intensive action games that need all the FPS you can get, I can see his recommendation for a higher end graphics card making sense with this processor.
@@dinkin_flicka14 It is. But you probably don't see 7800x3d with 7800XT. Maybe 7600 or 7700. Unless you really want the 7800x3d and money aren't super tight.
Only the second place I've ever heard to go with the ryzen 5 5500 for budget gaming....every other place says it's a epic pile. For $100 cad I have had zero problems with it. Nice to see a channel that actually gets what budget gaming actually is.
I love your thoughtfulness about PC gaming. You explain it so it's easy to understand. PC builders NEED to watch your videos before they buy anything. Killer video as always 🔥
I especially like your cpu/gpu combo videos for the information about minimum and maximum pairings. Years ago I built a PC with a 3600 and 5700xt for 1080p 144hz, which was later upgraded to a 6800 and 1440p 170hz, and more recently a 5800x3d, with an eye to eventually pair it with something at your recommended max performance. (8800xt later this year?) Being able to alternate between cpu and gpu upgrades without the system ever feeling unbalanced has been great. If you are still producing this content whenever AM6 comes out, I'll be counting on you to help me repeat the process for my next build cycle. 👍
still using that 6800 gpu? Just finished my rig last week and that thing is a beast even paired with a ryzen 5 5600. Never has a $900 build performed so damn good.
Sir i am a poor student,i live in bangladesh,at present i want a computer but i have no ability, so if you give me a cpu then i will be forever grateful
Great video, I wish there was a video like this before I built my pc’s. Trying to figure out combos when new to the pc world is tough. There is a ton of information out there, but I didn’t understand a lot of it. Categorizing cpu/gpu combos in tiers like this is gonna help people significantly. I just built my second pc and using recommendations I learned from watching your videos, my performance increased significantly from my previous build.
So far I am super happy with my Intel i5 13600k pared with 32gb of 6400mhz ram and a 4070 ti. Does 1440p over 100 fps with everything I throw at it. I did overclock the GPU and CPU but is only about 400mhz on both components.
Love seeing the 7600X get recommended so regularly. I have it in my rig alongside a 7900XT and at 1440p it doesn’t matter what settings I use or game I play - the GPU is ALWAYS the bottleneck.
This is exactly what i was looking for. So many other build channels says that you "have to go 7800x3d with 7900xt for CPU heavy games, yada yada..." Waste of money it seems. Thats why this channel pulls ahead.
@@caliginousmoira8565 the 7900xt? Nothing makes it bad, I love the card and plan to use it for three years or more. I was saying that the 7600X is a great processor, as it keeps up with the 7900xt and doesn’t bottlenecked it in any games I play.
@@caliginousmoira8565 hey, man. I didn’t mean the card is bad at 1440p. I was referring to how powerful the 7600X is. That processor can keep up with the 7900XT in every game I play. It’s a compliment to the card, not a criticism. Enjoy your 7900XTX, I woulda got one but the XT is plenty for my needs.
If you have money for a midrange gaming pc (1200-1500) definitely go for the amd 5 7600(x), over the i5. Single core (amd) is mostly better for gaming, cheaper and has ddr5. Next to that you can upgrade your cpu and gpu on the motherboard with amd. With an b650 motherboard (be sure its a am5 socket) and the 7800xt you will eat up 1440p gaming! Get yourself some 6000mhz cl30 ram and an nvme, gen3/4 ssd and you will elevate your gaming experience for a mid range price. This build would be between 1200-1500, without an screen ofc. PC Builder has multiple video’s about different build on his channel, definitely check them out if you don’t know where to start or your second guessing what to do!
I’m looking to build my first PC and 100% dont need or want break the bank on a top of line build especially considering 4K gaming seems pretty new still even on PC but the build you mentioned seems to be great for 1440p while also being the new CPU socket for future upgrading?
AMD always has problems and frame drops in multiplayer games. I play Squad with an antique PC, GTX970, 6600k and have a better FPS than a new 2500€ AMD PC, see forums. Always stay away from AMD, that was 20 years ago and nothing change. Marketing has you in its grasp😊
Thanks a lot for these types of videos! I’m going to build my first pc in a few weeks, so I’m doing a LOT of research so I don’t mess up. These have helped me choose my cpu and gpu combo, and I’ve learnt tons of tricks from these videos
@@Amity024 I have had it since January and no complaints! All the games I’ve played I can play on maximum graphics and basically always with 100+ FPS. This is my full build: Pc specs * CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - CPU cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 * GPU: Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB DDR6 * RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL30-38-38-96 1.35V * Storage: - Crucial P5 plus 2tb m.2 - Seagate barracuda 1tb and 2tb * Motherboard: ASUS Rog Strix B650E-F gaming wifi * PSU: Corsair RM1000e (2023) * Cooling system: - case: NZXT H7 Flow with 5 Arctic P14 fans
for almost 2yrs since i started buying components now only gpu is the remaining i have asus tuf gaming motherboard b660, i5 12600k cpu and i prefer rx 6600 gpu.. i assembled it by myself now it working now
Fantastic. I have the Intel i5 13600KF and have been looking at a RTX 4080 to combo with it. Seems a solid match from what I have gleaned from this video.
I was using Intel 4790k for years with EVGA 3080Ti Hybrid and gaming 4k with no problem lol.... then I finally decided to get Intel 13700k to pair and gained only 18 fps but it was a gain and it will set me up for the next GPU upgrade. So with 4k GPU is KING!
My current rig is a 3080ti with an Intel i7 8700k with 32gb 3200mhz ram. Im thinking of spending about $600 on upgrading to a ryzen 7800x3d with mobo+ram. Figure that makes the most sense for getting the best from my gpu and some future proofing.
Great guide. Would be nice to include total system power consumption in consideration because more power consumption can add up to significant difference in your electricity bills over next years to come. If you are on a budget for your gaming/working setup it is worth considering upkeep cost especially if you plan to use that PC a lot.
Just like with new smartphone releases, upgrading components like CPUs and GPUs should prompt a similar consideration. For example, if you own an iPhone 15 Pro Max, jumping to the iPhone 16 Pro Max might not make sense, as the changes are often minimal between generations. Similarly, with high-end hardware like the RTX 40 series, it’s wise to assess whether the incremental upgrades really offer significant improvements that justify the expense. For most people, holding off on upgrading every generation can lead to more meaningful enhancements and better value when they eventually decide to upgrade.
I only ever bought 1 complete pre-built. The rest of my 30y+ experience has been a story of "what can I afford to upgrade later". So now I am building a R7 7800X3D + AM5 B650 + 32GB 6000Mhz 32CL + (here is my bottleneck) RX6600. My next upgrade should be my 19yo PSU, so I can upgrade my GPU. And after that a new screen. Anyway. How many of you buy a completely new "everything" when they upgrade?
When you're building a "gaming pc" you need to consider what games you're playing. You're right about most games, cuz they're GPU dependent. However, there are some games where it's the opposite. For example, if you're building a PC for Counter-Strike, CPU is way more important than GPU
Some games that are way easier to run like Counter Strike often fall into the trap of seeming like the CPU is more important. But actually its just all the more important to make sure your CPU isn't going to bottleneck the huge amount of frames coming from the GPU because its an easier to run game. You still need to make sure you have the proper GPU in the first place.
You have no idea or neither you will read this, but i very much appreciate this as i've no or little knowledge about the combos about pc building. Thank you so much!
After owning several machines over the years and various OS's, I'm done with Apple and MS. My next build is Linux, so I'm looking for the best combo compatible with Linux. I'm told Linux doesn't like some video cards, and more compatible with AMD graphics and processors. If you've got any decent matches there, that may be my next build. Looking for near to top end, decent gaming specs, general use machine. Thanks.
Good video sir. Sir, can u recommend good graphics card for my Intel i7 8700k with Asus Maximus 10 hero motherboard. I find hard to get graphics card for my processor. Is Intel i7 8700k is good for playing legend of legends in 1080 resolution with out graphics card ? Can i get Asus Phoenix Nvidia Geforce Gtx 1650 Oc Edition Gaming Graphics Card (Pcie 3.0, 4Gb Gddr6 Memory) for my intel i7 8700k processor. Sir, kindly give me ur opinion.
Really good video and got some ideas out of it. I originally intended to build a new system for the Nvidia 5000 launch, but after watching I might just upgrade my CPU. Right now I'm running an AMD 3800X with a RTX 3080 GPU at 4k. I think upgrading to 5700/5800X3D should be the best option paired with probably a RTX 5080 (depending on future test results). The CPU might still be a little bit on the lower end, but on 4k it shouldn't matter that much and it's much cheaper than building an AM5 system.
Thank you for simplifying all the data in this and other videos. After seeing this one, I know exactly how to maximize gaming performance within my budget. This video actually saved me some money as I was leaning towards the i5-12600kf, but I see now that as a gaming oriented build it will not give me the increase in performance to cost (about 30$ more for the 12600kf where I live) The money saved can go to a decent air cooler. Great video... Going to see the build videos of 5600x and i5-12400 next.
I just upgraded to the 5700X3D from the 3700X to get 3 more years out of my RAM and motherboard. Also jumped from an RTX 3070 to the RTX 4070 Ti Super and it’s a HUGE improvement. I’ve not installed the new CPU yet, but the new GPU on the 3700X still runs Cyberpunk 2077 max settings full RT at 4k close on 100 FPS, its beautiful
How about a website link where you make combos, and for what reason. And what pre-builder brand PCs have good combos, and for what purpose. This would help lots of people.
1:28 This is so helpful. As someone who games exclusively on 1080p i knew my system was cpu bound but i didn't quite get what that meant till i saw this.
I would highly recommend deal hunting for used parts, just built a pc for under $400 with a 1660ti and R5 4500 that slays most 1080p games I throw at it
6 Months ago i upgradet my old PC(Ryzen 5 1600 + stock cooler, GTX 1060 6gb, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz) to an Ryzen 5 5600 + Pure Rock 2 cooler, RTX 3060 12GB and 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz for about 500 euro. Im using the PC for casual gaming at 1080p, multitasking and maybe a little bit off video editing. Let me hear what you think?
Love the enthusiasm, but the CPU is mainly an issue when you have a 4090 and are playing at low resolutions, like eSports. Most people (read: non-eSports players) who want to be able to play PC games at high resolutions with the graphics settings maxed out should put their money into the GPU and any modern CPU (Ryzen 5 Zen 3 and 4 AMD, 11th Gen or better i5) will be totally fine. Yes, it's really that simple. And try to get a minimum of 12GB, 16GB+ is ideal today. 12GB starts out at about $330 for a 6750XT, I think the 7800XT is the cheapest 16GB card.
This video definetly helped. when i built my first pc, I had no idea what i was doing now im building a brand new pc with the 7800x3d and the rx7900xtx
Thanks for this video! As a video game content creator, I am forced to be a video editor too, I am saving for an RTX-4090 & PSU as the most "bang for my buck". MOBO & CPU are about 1/4~1/2? the money & only gets me 30~40-ish% overall performance of the GPU upgrade at 145% performance increase (according the tools I've tried to analyze this). In my evaluation, I have enough CPU (R7-3700X) for my current GPU (RTX-3070) and if I upgrade to the 4090, I get to continue gaming & recording while the RTX-3070 "rolls down hill" into my "old" PC that becomes my video editing / rendering / uploading station.
You sir maby saved me some money and regrets in a long term, im just thinking of making a partial upgrade only using my old 1080TI and PSU of 750W, my old CPU is old 4-th gen i5 4690, till this very video i was thinking of going AM4 b550 mobo with 5700x3d, and i was somewhat aware its the last gen CPU for this socket, also i thought i really need to have 8+ cores to be good for gaming, and yes its does help, but its no the biggest change im gonna see compared to get myself a AM5 mobo and 7600x, pair it with my 1080Ti for some time and save enough to go for AMD 7800XT! And then after years i can go for newer CPU like the 6-th gen or 7-th gen AM5 and get better CPU and again swap cards for the next gen GPU! But if i did cheap out now on AM4 platform and use 5700x3d, yeah i would still go for a good GPU after, but after few years i would have to spend money for second MOBO and new CPU probably, plus a DDR5 RAM then, so second pair of RAM stick ( because i would have used DDR4 for AM4 build) and this just keeps the price go up by a lot! All that difference can go in the future for even better CPU and GPU!! Thank you, for explaining the way you did!
Best buyer's and upgrader's guide I've been able to find for 2024. Cuts straight through the bull of all the pointless 1080p CPU benching littering the scene.
5800x3d and 7900xtx are peak am4, but besides that: for nearly every game; Cpu is basically the maximum framerate you can get, and GPU is the maximum graphics you can get that framerate at.
I just bought a Ryzen 9750x3d with an rtx 4070 card for $3.2k after all parts and taxes. Looking forward to trying it out. Not as much for gaming as for some video editing, and game making. My 980x processor from 2012 was getting a little long in the tooth (but still kicking it).
Just bought a new Ryzen 7 5700X for € 140 on amazon and a nearly new, but used MSI 4060 TI 8GB (Gaming X) for € 300 - so €440 for the combo which is an insane price to performance deal, also the most power efficient combo i could find. Highly recommended.
Looks like I have some well balanced rigs then. Primary rig is R7 5700X3D, 64GB DDR4 3600 RAM and RX 7800 XT. Secondary rig is R5 5600X, 32GB DDR4 3200 RAM and RTX 4060. Third rig (which I'm about to sell) is an R5 5500GT, 32GB DDR4 3200 RAM and a GTX 1070. Whole reason I ended with AM4 started with me getting a nice AM4 motherboard, 5600x and DDR4 due to me ordering the wrong parts for one of our office PCs. needed to be mATX and CPU with APU. I ordered full ATX and a 5600x plus DDR4 RAM. So I got these parts for free. Then I started upgrading my stuff with new graphics cards, CPUs and so on. And ended up with the above mentioned. If I had started from scratch, knowing what I know now, I would probably have gone with AM5. At least for my primary PC. But my above mentioned 5700X3D setup will last me for many years. It will also have no problems driving RTX 4090 performance tiers with no noticeable bottleneck. Sure AM5 will beat my 5700X3D for productivity but I am not into productivity anyway. Just gaming, a bit of streaming sometimes and casual use like web browsing and youtube. AM4 is also a very mature platform which is just rock solid. Sure, AM5 is more future proof, but when the time comes where I need an upgrade again (probably years from now), better AM5 motherboards and CPUs are out and DDR5 are cheaper. Who knows, maybe AM6 is out by then.
When I build a PC, I always put in a better CPU than needed. For one thing, that extra power will show itself in non-gaming applications. It's also much simpler to upgrade a GPU down the road than replace a CPU. I also always have multiple PCs. If I wasn't leapfrogging my builds, I might be more sensitive about putting in more CPU than my GPU needs.
at first, cpu in 4k makes not so big differences and than for the 7800X3d use a budget Board. Why using a Z690/790 Board for the 13700k? All you want, you can do with an B660/ B760 Board and than you can save around 40-60 Buckets. The same with the cooling. The cheaper cooler can handle the 13700k for games, with no problems. I think, more important is that with an 13700k you should disable HT and maybe half of the E Cores. You get an higher performance with way more effiiency.
This was a great video! I want to comment something as a South American that I feel many reviewers, including people from Mexico or Spain not just US kind of "forget". Yes, BIGGUR NUMBA BUTTER. We all know and love that. But when you SIT DOWN to use that machine, you are rarely not going to notice that you have a 5600 or a 7600, specially if you're not tech savvy or an avid gamer - this is with the caveat that the difference isn't massive, otherwise it would be noticeable. Which has another caveat, it's only noticeable for people that CAN COMPARE. This is a personal opinion that I came about while researching stuff to create an affordable but good enough build for my gf, but so many reviewrs have SO MANY NUMBERS and tests and results in their mind, and they're also used to using mid to high end components that they kind of forget how "functional" a low end component could be. When I say low end I mean low but good, like the i3 12100, not low end and garbage like a GT1030. They also are usually in places where they have good enough prices or discounts, nearby stores like a microcenter with giant shelves full of diversity and availability and sometimes even good return policies. For context to give you an idea of how bad it is sometimes for us, including taxes and all the garbage on top, if we take the "blue dollar" which is a parallel dollar for us let's say 1 USD = 1000 ARS, if you go to pcpartpicker the 5600G is about 120 to 140 dollars. That'd be 140.000 pesos for us. If you do a quick search, depending on the store, that CPU costs 183 USD up to 210 here. Meaning we are paying about 60 dollars extra for that for no real reason. The i3 12100F, as low as we could see it is actually 134 USD. And of course this has nothing to do with us NOR reviewers of any kind, this is just country bullshit and politics. But the point where I'm trying to get is, if without knowing, you just sit down on the PC and have an i3 or a 5600G, both with a GPU (let's say a 3070 something that won't bottleneck either) at 1080p... I don't think anyone would sit there and say "oh wow, this feels like an i3, this is bad". The experience considering you'd have good enough cooling, an nvme drive perhaps... like the differences are mostly synthetic and on paper. Unless you're playing something demanding or truly CPU bound of course. My point is there's a lot of talk on min maxing your fps or the value per dollar you pay and if you CAN do that, that's great. But I feel a lot of times we (all of use pc lovers) get caught up in these discussions about chiplet vs monolithic design, 10nm vs 7nm, and 2 extra cores etc. when maybe the use case is just playing freaking vidya gaemz and it'll all be ok. That is why I like sometimes when reviewers themselves sit down with a "budget pc" and start saying how surprised they are for that performance. And it's like yeah man, a ton of people worldwide are on that or even lesser/older hardware and have no real issues. All that said, again, amazing video. Subbed!
I will share just my experience and findings. Target: dota 2. Current build: Ryzen 2600 rx570, fps with lowest possible settings 80 + strutters. Upgrade, single part - 5700x3d. FPS uplifts more than 40% on target resolution. Next upgrade if necessary will be GPU as currently the monitor is the bottleneck. PS went for this part as it also solves any additional ram drawbacks that I might face - so savings on ram go towards this CPU
Just put together a 7800x3d + 4070ti Super OC. My first PC build. Your video made me feel better about my purchases since I wasn't sure if I made a mistake on the impulse buy if the 4070ti super. Was feeling like i should have held out for the 4090.
@@PCBuilderChannel I did make a mistake unfortunately, at least I think so, I got a 6600mhz Ram kit but my Motherboard only goes up to 6400mhz. So I may have to remedy that, I built the computer after watching your videos. But now I know! Though I'm not sure if it's okay to run the 7800x3d at 6400. Any recommendations?
@@Leovoldyou can change your ram speeds in bios and if you haven’t already it probably isn’t running at 6600 mhz This isn’t as big of a problem as you think it’s very fixable
If you've got Microcenter access you can bundle a Ryzen 7 7800x3D with a MB + RAM for only $196 for the CPU. Got a Ryzen 7 7800x3D + B650 MB + 32GB DDR5 for $480. Got my 4070 Super for $540 brand new (but I had a $60 off coupon so doesn't really count)
I was thinking of R7 5700x with RTX 4060 that could hold for itself for 4-5 years. I've been using 1600 and GTX 1060 6GB for 5 years now since 2019, so I guess every 5 years you need to refit your hardwares.
I would definitely rethink the 4060, especially if you want a build that will stay relevant. The lack of VRAM is a real problem and it’s terrible price to performance anyway. And yes I’d do 5600 personally. The 5800X won’t give your enough of a boost over it to warrant the price. See our Best Builds October video we have a fantastic 5600 build guide there
My 2 cents after 15 years: What resolution, graphics settings and which games I want to play at? This is the very first question. Second: budget? You always buy the best GPU you can afford for the resolution you need, and upgrade your CPU later, if needed. Don't get less than 16GB RAM, and try to get your OS on an M.2 drive, if not, on a SATA3 SSD. This video would have been a lot more informative if you add the Resolution into the mix as well. 60fps 4K gaming the 5600+7900xtx is a perfectly fine combo. You get more FPS out of older games.
I have a r7 5700x and rx580 and I'm thinking about getting a used 6800 or 6800xt for average 400 or a new 7700xt for 470 dollars? They also have the new 6750xt for 350. Currently I only play CS2 and occasionally Red Dead and other story modes. 240hz hd monitor
Right now, i have a Ryzen 5 2600x and GTX 1650 on a B450. I want an upgrade, thinking of getting a R5 5600 and Rx 7700, any advices on possible changes here?
I got a 7950X3D for $430 recently because a 7800X3D was $100 less and the 7700X was another $100 less. Basically, if I'm gonna spend $200+ moving onto AM5, if I can double my cores and get an X3D model for about twice as much I might as well take it. I can't believe it's 2 years old, but that's why it went from $700 down to $430.
It does also have performance issues compared to the 7800X3D sadly. Which is why it’s generally cheaper. You should watch our 7800X3D build guide we go over the issues with the 7950X3D there
I've been thinking of upgrading from a 2060 6gb mobile and a i7-10750 to a 4070 TI Super and 7800X3D. I've been getting tired of having to suffer with framerates that I can't handle, so i'm working towards this!
i have a 7600x and a 4070 super. i play at 1440p and all my games run 120fps or higher. from destiny 2 to cyberpunk all at max settings. ark survival ascended is the only game i get between 90 to 100fps. it cost me $1,300 to build my pc.
I went really hard in CPU, SSD and RAM, at the expense of GPU. Kept my old RTX 2070, but got an AMD 7800X3D. Planning on replacing the graphics card later
5600x has paired like a dream with the 4070 for me so far Recently upgraded from a first gen ryzen 7 1700 lol and a gtx 1080. They were great to me for 7 years and I probably could've squeezed another year or two out of them but the deals on pc parts have been too good to pass up lately
Optiplex 9020 with a RX580 8GB. I had to get the 700BR PSU. Emergency build during covid when my trinity APU finally died. Actually, I believe it was the fm2 mobo that failed. Upgraded to the RX580 in like 2017 for $300 from an R7. The R7 was an upgrade so I could run/stream D3 years ago on the APU.
Have you done any vids on great value lower/mid general purpose PC builds? Not interest in 'gaming' PC's with ridiculously expensive GPU's, just something which gives good all around performance and a bit upgradeable in future.
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Just paired my ryzen 7 7800x3d with a RX 7900XTX Red Devil. And put it on a highish end motherboard that Jason loves😇 Put it all in Jasons favorite case. The lian Li O11D Evo🤣 Altho i did NOT use Lian LI fans and cooler. I went for Arctic LF II 360 and Arctic P12 fans.
The i7-12700k is close to 200 bucks now.
@@thehimself4056 Over here it's still around 370usd.
@@preciseIy M2 or nvme as a system, and another 3,5 ssd for games, and you're set.
That’s crappy. I got lucky because in Newegg it dropped to 229. Plus I had 40 bucks in egg points. lol. I almost went with the i9-12900k. But for the extra 100 bucks. I don’t see me using that extra money the right way. I would offer to buy and ship one to you. But the last time I did that. The shipping ended the savings. lol. We tried.
Me watching this video with Zero Budget
Same here 😢
You’re not the only one, but im here to educate myself for when im ready
@@marks.9387 same
We can dream can’t we
To everyone who liked and replied I hope we all will need this video someday soon 🙂❤
PLEASE KEEP DOING THESE! I love this format with recommendations and capable parts! It makes things way less confusing for me and narrows down my options way more.
Haven't built a PC in about 15 years. Kids and life got in the way. Decided to jump in at the Mid level and this helped me decide on the Ryzen 5 5600X and the Radeon 6700XT with 32gb DDR4 ram. Lets just hope I still know how to build one. I'll keep using these videos for reference.
I personally would recommend going for DDR5 as it is the faster and more future-safe, but it does cost a little extra.
I literally have the same setup as you. It was well worth the upgrade from a R5 2600 and RX 580 8GB
@@ploob.2207 bro, DDR is almost a 30 year old tech and DDR5 isn't worth the significant cost increase for the slight increase in performance over DDR4. Also, you just cant "upgrade" from DDR4 to DDR5--you have to rebuild your whole system. The pinouts aren't even the same between DDR4 and DDR5.
Basically double your build price (at least double) to use DDR5 over DDR4 and your speed improvement is going to be maybe 10%.
@@TurboLoveTrain yes but if you were to make your first pc it's better to start of with DDR5, that way you don't have to upgrade later on.
@@keldrini7939
Tell me why. At no point did you address any of the reasons I listed for choosing DDR4 over DDR5 and I'm pretty sure you don't even know the difference between DDR4 and DDR5--especially in the context of speed benchmarks.
I think my comprehension bottlenecked watching this video.
It can be a lot I know! If you are just getting into PC building check out our "PC Parts Explained 2024" video. That's a good overview to get you started
@@PCBuilderChannel hey please help finding a good cpu for rx 7900 xt for a good fair price
@@Eweh 7600
@@spookytv4044 i already bought 7800x3d
@@Eweh you ever heard of Google
Ahhh yes the midrange 4090
😂
he literally talks about the 4090 at 15:54 for high end builds as the max gpu possible ?
@@Reixav221is a I9 14700 to much for a 4080 super to get the most frames possible
😂 😂
Dont use the 13 14 gen intel procesors i heard that they are having problems and nit working good or crashing check on google@@User-28737
I got a Ryzen 5 3600 and a GTX 1660 for $100 from one of my neighbors. Absolute bang for buck.
Insanely good pairing. I bought my gf a system with an i5-10400f and a 1660ti with 32gb RAM and an NVME drive for 600 Canadian and honestly, compared to my PC which cost me 3500 CAD to build a few years ago, I don't think I'm ever spending big money on PCs ever again.
The classic 3600 and 1660 super is the only pairing I could afford when we had to replace a PC during the dreaded shortage a few years ago. It's still going alright. :) It certainly cost more than $100 at the time lol
@@DissoGG i am impressed with the lower end PCs lately but still going to save up to build a custom loop "no limit" monster just for the fun and the thrill
@@DissoGG what would you spend $2000 American on or $1600? I’m trying to build my first PC.
@@josephobuck5409high end gpu’s can cost upwards of $1000, high end CPU’s can cost upwards of $500 or more. High end motherboards can cost upwards of $300 or more. A psu that can handle that hardware may cost $200 or more. High speed ram can cost $150-200. This isn’t including the pc case, fans, water cooling/cpu cooler, accessories such as custom cables and not to mention peripherals such as keyboard and mouse, monitor and such.
Keep in mind the prices I listed are in USD so I imagine CAD will be even more so it can get really pricy.
Don’t let this discourage you though, like the people in this reply thread said, you can get good performance with budget hardware nowadays as games aren’t really getting more demanding nowadays on the low end. I personally am running a 3600 and 1660ti for 1080p gaming on my college pc and it’s served me quite well. I do though want to upgrade to 1440p gaming and want to play some more demanding games at higher graphics settings so I will be upgrading to the rtx 5070 when it becomes available as well as maybe the newest Gen Ryzen 5.
Had already picked up the 7800x3d in black Friday deals for £330 but instead of pairing with a 7900xt for £730 bagged a 7800xt Hell hound for £419. Couldn't justify the extra fps for over £300. Will use in my new build and wait to see what 4k cards next gen will bring 😊 Thanks for all your help Jason on my first build 👌
Best wishes on the build and glad we could help!
I'm planning the same build. 7800X3D with a 7800XT
i did the same build with the same idea of waiting a gen or two for better 4k value. 4k value is wack right now
the 300 saved now will be much more worth in 3-4years if you upgrade your gpu, the 7800x3d will still be really neat, but swapping out the gpu is much better
@@dinkin_flicka14 Me too. Building mine tomorrow, last of the parts arrived yesterday. I wanted the 7900xt but the prices for some reason don't tend to scale just according to the currency conversion here in Canada. The 7900xt is around $1100 Canadian or more depending which version, that's more than I was willing to spend on it so I went 7800xt. I'm doing 1440p anyway so I think it'll be fine for a while.
You want your GPU to be the bottleneck. Here's why:
If you plan on keeping the system a good few years, ultimately, you're going to upgrade the system at some point. It is *far* easier to upgrade your GPU than your CPU - which could well require an entirely new motherboard. I.e. Basically a new system.
Get the CPU/motherboard which gives you the most headroom for future upgrades, and go for a solid midrange graphics card with good performance/value ratio.
In 3 or 5 years you can replace your mid range card with another high-mid card, and I bet your high end CPU will still keep up with it.
Also, if your CPU/motherboard is strong, you always have the options of adding more RAM etc etc...
If you go the other way and max out the GPU against and cut corners on the CPU, you may have a slightly better system for *today* but you've limited your future expansion much more.
A bit late but let’s say how good would a ryzen 7 7700x, 64 gbs of ram on a 670 am5 motherboard, backed by a 3060 be?
Good, time to Upgrade the gpu tholol
@@jarlwilliam9932 For gaming, get a 7800x3d, 32 gb of ram on an x670. Check how many sata ports they have tho, many of the x670 boards only have 2 or 4 sata and just incase you need to use more, you'd need a motherboard with more.
Basically what you're saying is get an AM5 socket :)
There's a consumer-specific set of value propositions to consider. Better performance now and over the lifetime of the current build is real value. Not everyone will keep most of their system when they upgrade again regardless of how much they try to plan ahead and leave 'room' for a 1-2 component migration. The timing/chance comes into play. And it's not the worst thing in the world to have a second system left on hand (or nearly one) after you upgrade. You can use it for different purposes or gaming in another room, gift to another, sell, etc. And the point in time where you will have the most breathing room for CPU upgrades will be the beginning of a new platform which exposes you to the most potential early-adopter issues.
only the lord can save me i've been using a 1080ti and a 3930k for years 😭✋
Sending good vibes!
@@PCBuilderChannel thank uuu
Tell us ur cost to build it that year?? New build right?? Envy us
Hey I just built last year but my previous build was a 1070 😂 it’s now my golf sim pc until I build one for that
Haha I've got it even worse, been using a fx8310 and 1050ti for probably 10 years, I built it in high school
Your enthusiasm and these videos gave me the final push to build a PC last December. Thank you for the help!
Same just ordered my first build and everything comes on Tuesday I’ve been thinking about abt building for so long
Congrats on cheap storage at the time.
@@aether8412 Good luck and take your time. Btw it isn't as scary or difficult as you might think. Have fun :)
@@bartterp88 thank u, u guys are so nice. I’ve researched a lot and the thing I’m most scared abt is installing the cpu into the motherboard. I’ve heard it’s really sensitive and easy to break. Let’s hope it goes well for me 😅
@@bartterp88 I DID IT 😁😁
I love how this video was recommended today after I finally retired my dual gt660s in SLI and picked up a used rtx 2060 with my i7-3770K
My wallet is running low but my mind is expanding. One day ill be able to afford a godzilla build.
Brilliant video. I'm on my third or fourth PC build at this point, and the biggest problem whenever I return to the job (we're talking at least 6-7 years between builds) is trying to figure out what combinations make sense. It's pretty hard to find good resources on the topic. So thank you for making this video, and making the info so clear and easy to parse!
So glad we can help!
@@PCBuilderChannelwhat CPU should I pair with 1080ti as now we have so many options
@@Nero_9000 13400f gives you plenty of headroom and be cost effective if going with a ddr4 mobo. A ryzen 5600 would be more than sufficient as well and quite a bit cheaper.
Biggest challenge may be selecting memory with timings that are beneficial to performance. If you're into gaming, follow YT wisdom and your discretion. For me it's hi-res images and a 1080ti works great, but its 11GB video RAM become limiting. For me and upgrade to, say, a RTX 4070ti Super (basically a slightly limited 4080) means 16GB but the ray tracing power will not help Lightroom (Camera Raw) and Photoshop. 32GB RAM is frequently exceeded so my workstation has 64GB (Windows - Linux and MacOS may need half of that or less).
As to video RAM, part of image processing is done in the GPU and the OS wants to keep lots of pixels in the GPU RAM. GPU as coprocessor for LrC started a couple years ago and LrC was the only "user". Today even Windows uses it, e.g. to cache icons and previews of folder hierarchies. SW tools to "manage" that are limited.
The Ryzen 7600/7600X to me is the absolute sweetest of spots when it comes to affordability, future proofing and performance
Yea, this is the sweet spot now. The CPU is fast enough for the 500-600 dollar cards and has a clear upgrade path...
mega expensive though
I got my 7800x3d + RTX 4070 Ti super build over the past month, but still watching these videos. To confirm if I made the right choice.
Nice build you got there!
I'm planning 7800X3D with RX 7800XT, is it good enough?
@@dinkin_flicka14yes that's fine
@@dinkin_flicka14 This is what I just got. For my purposes, it is working great. It is for gaming, but I tend to play games that are more CPU and memory intensive, so to me, it made sense to shift the balance in favor of a higher end CPU and more RAM (64Gb). If you are running at higher resolution and primarily playing graphics intensive action games that need all the FPS you can get, I can see his recommendation for a higher end graphics card making sense with this processor.
@@dinkin_flicka14 It is. But you probably don't see 7800x3d with 7800XT. Maybe 7600 or 7700. Unless you really want the 7800x3d and money aren't super tight.
Only the second place I've ever heard to go with the ryzen 5 5500 for budget gaming....every other place says it's a epic pile. For $100 cad I have had zero problems with it.
Nice to see a channel that actually gets what budget gaming actually is.
Its a great budget CPU for sure!
It only supports PCIE 3.0, which is enough to get it a hard pass from me.
I love your thoughtfulness about PC gaming. You explain it so it's easy to understand. PC builders NEED to watch your videos before they buy anything. Killer video as always 🔥
Building my first pc in a few months, your channel has been so informative, helpful and pleasant.
did you build it
I especially like your cpu/gpu combo videos for the information about minimum and maximum pairings. Years ago I built a PC with a 3600 and 5700xt for 1080p 144hz, which was later upgraded to a 6800 and 1440p 170hz, and more recently a 5800x3d, with an eye to eventually pair it with something at your recommended max performance. (8800xt later this year?) Being able to alternate between cpu and gpu upgrades without the system ever feeling unbalanced has been great.
If you are still producing this content whenever AM6 comes out, I'll be counting on you to help me repeat the process for my next build cycle. 👍
still using that 6800 gpu? Just finished my rig last week and that thing is a beast even paired with a ryzen 5 5600. Never has a $900 build performed so damn good.
Sir i am a poor student,i live in bangladesh,at present i want a computer but i have no ability, so if you give me a cpu then i will be forever grateful
Ive been researching this stuff like CRAZY, and never made the connection that framerate was mostly tied to CPU, while Resolution was tied to GPU.
Glad we could help!
Great video, I wish there was a video like this before I built my pc’s. Trying to figure out combos when new to the pc world is tough. There is a ton of information out there, but I didn’t understand a lot of it. Categorizing cpu/gpu combos in tiers like this is gonna help people significantly. I just built my second pc and using recommendations I learned from watching your videos, my performance increased significantly from my previous build.
Glad this is helpful! Thanks for the feedback
So far I am super happy with my Intel i5 13600k pared with 32gb of 6400mhz ram and a 4070 ti. Does 1440p over 100 fps with everything I throw at it. I did overclock the GPU and CPU but is only about 400mhz on both components.
Is 6400 better than 5800?
@@Triwjhdyou’re locked to 5600 with the i5 if I’m not mistaken so it doesn’t matter
Love seeing the 7600X get recommended so regularly. I have it in my rig alongside a 7900XT and at 1440p it doesn’t matter what settings I use or game I play - the GPU is ALWAYS the bottleneck.
This is exactly what i was looking for.
So many other build channels says that you "have to go 7800x3d with 7900xt for CPU heavy games, yada yada..."
Waste of money it seems.
Thats why this channel pulls ahead.
how .... what am i missing? what makes it so bad at 1440? i just got a 7900xtx for 800 and i'm not having any problems.
@@caliginousmoira8565 the 7900xt? Nothing makes it bad, I love the card and plan to use it for three years or more.
I was saying that the 7600X is a great processor, as it keeps up with the 7900xt and doesn’t bottlenecked it in any games I play.
@@caliginousmoira8565 hey, man. I didn’t mean the card is bad at 1440p. I was referring to how powerful the 7600X is. That processor can keep up with the 7900XT in every game I play. It’s a compliment to the card, not a criticism.
Enjoy your 7900XTX, I woulda got one but the XT is plenty for my needs.
Yeah I'd go for a better CPU lmao
Just bought a 7600 and 7800 XT for 1440P gaming (not planning on any RT) with 16Gb ram as a mid range gaming build. Great value!
If you have money for a midrange gaming pc (1200-1500) definitely go for the amd 5 7600(x), over the i5. Single core (amd) is mostly better for gaming, cheaper and has ddr5. Next to that you can upgrade your cpu and gpu on the motherboard with amd. With an b650 motherboard (be sure its a am5 socket) and the 7800xt you will eat up 1440p gaming! Get yourself some 6000mhz cl30 ram and an nvme, gen3/4 ssd and you will elevate your gaming experience for a mid range price. This build would be between 1200-1500, without an screen ofc. PC Builder has multiple video’s about different build on his channel, definitely check them out if you don’t know where to start or your second guessing what to do!
I’m looking to build my first PC and 100% dont need or want break the bank on a top of line build especially considering 4K gaming seems pretty new still even on PC but the build you mentioned seems to be great for 1440p while also being the new CPU socket for future upgrading?
AMD always has problems and frame drops in multiplayer games. I play Squad with an antique PC, GTX970, 6600k and have a better FPS than a new 2500€ AMD PC, see forums. Always stay away from AMD, that was 20 years ago and nothing change. Marketing has you in its grasp😊
Yea Sure buddy.. XD
Thanks a lot for these types of videos! I’m going to build my first pc in a few weeks, so I’m doing a LOT of research so I don’t mess up. These have helped me choose my cpu and gpu combo, and I’ve learnt tons of tricks from these videos
hey what combo did you choose
Always love this!! Great info!!
Thank you! So glad its helpful (:
I just upgraded my AMD Ryzen 7 5800X system with an AMD 7600 XT GC from an AMD 5700 XT and so far so good!
I can't wait to build the pc your videos helped me build...it's a nice 5800x3d 7900xt going in a tower 300
Always very helpful. Thank you as always. Much appreciated.
So glad its helpful! Thank you for watching
I have been rocking a i7 8700k, RTX 2080 and 32GB Ram..
since 2015 ! I have a 1440p monitor and it’s all running great.
I do want a rtx 4090 lol
still good to know I picked the right combo a few months back, with a lot of your help :) -7800x3d and 7900XTX
That's an epic pc you got there!
i am also thinking for the same , could you plz share your experience with the build
@@Amity024 I have had it since January and no complaints! All the games I’ve played I can play on maximum graphics and basically always with 100+ FPS.
This is my full build:
Pc specs
* CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
- CPU cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120
* GPU: Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB DDR6
* RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL30-38-38-96 1.35V
* Storage:
- Crucial P5 plus 2tb m.2
- Seagate barracuda 1tb and 2tb
* Motherboard: ASUS Rog Strix B650E-F gaming wifi
* PSU: Corsair RM1000e (2023)
* Cooling system:
- case: NZXT H7 Flow with 5 Arctic P14 fans
@@Casperdcvd Thanks for this , I bet it feels amazing to have a nice build! Hoping to get mine sooner.
@@Amity024 very, good luck with your build!
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Thank you so much lmao what a waste of time
Underclock the video to 0,75 speed. You welcome!
for almost 2yrs since i started buying components now only gpu is the remaining i have asus tuf gaming motherboard b660, i5 12600k cpu and i prefer rx 6600 gpu.. i assembled it by myself now it working now
I have a negative budget.
Maybe one day Nvidia or AMD will release positivebudgetx 😢
Including am4 upgrades was a good move
They are great options for a lot of builders!
Fantastic. I have the Intel i5 13600KF and have been looking at a RTX 4080 to combo with it. Seems a solid match from what I have gleaned from this video.
I was using Intel 4790k for years with EVGA 3080Ti Hybrid and gaming 4k with no problem lol.... then I finally decided to get Intel 13700k to pair and gained only 18 fps but it was a gain and it will set me up for the next GPU upgrade. So with 4k GPU is KING!
Building my pc rn with the ryzen 7 7800 x3d and the 4070 ti super so glad it s a great combo thank you
Best wishes on the build! Check out our 7800X3D Build guide for more if that's helpful
My current rig is a 3080ti with an Intel i7 8700k with 32gb 3200mhz ram.
Im thinking of spending about $600 on upgrading to a ryzen 7800x3d with mobo+ram. Figure that makes the most sense for getting the best from my gpu and some future proofing.
Great guide. Would be nice to include total system power consumption in consideration because more power consumption can add up to significant difference in your electricity bills over next years to come. If you are on a budget for your gaming/working setup it is worth considering upkeep cost especially if you plan to use that PC a lot.
Just like with new smartphone releases, upgrading components like CPUs and GPUs should prompt a similar consideration. For example, if you own an iPhone 15 Pro Max, jumping to the iPhone 16 Pro Max might not make sense, as the changes are often minimal between generations. Similarly, with high-end hardware like the RTX 40 series, it’s wise to assess whether the incremental upgrades really offer significant improvements that justify the expense. For most people, holding off on upgrading every generation can lead to more meaningful enhancements and better value when they eventually decide to upgrade.
this is helpful it's just that i just bought my new CPU, hope you're still around 5 yrs from now when i build a new one
We'll be here! (:
I only ever bought 1 complete pre-built. The rest of my 30y+ experience has been a story of "what can I afford to upgrade later".
So now I am building a R7 7800X3D + AM5 B650 + 32GB 6000Mhz 32CL + (here is my bottleneck) RX6600.
My next upgrade should be my 19yo PSU, so I can upgrade my GPU. And after that a new screen.
Anyway. How many of you buy a completely new "everything" when they upgrade?
When you're building a "gaming pc" you need to consider what games you're playing. You're right about most games, cuz they're GPU dependent. However, there are some games where it's the opposite. For example, if you're building a PC for Counter-Strike, CPU is way more important than GPU
Some games that are way easier to run like Counter Strike often fall into the trap of seeming like the CPU is more important. But actually its just all the more important to make sure your CPU isn't going to bottleneck the huge amount of frames coming from the GPU because its an easier to run game. You still need to make sure you have the proper GPU in the first place.
you forgot to mention the most important thing for a gaming cpu.. is the L3 cache REGARDLESS of how fast the cpu and gpu is...
You have no idea or neither you will read this, but i very much appreciate this as i've no or little knowledge about the combos about pc building. Thank you so much!
So glad we can help!
After owning several machines over the years and various OS's, I'm done with Apple and MS. My next build is Linux, so I'm looking for the best combo compatible with Linux. I'm told Linux doesn't like some video cards, and more compatible with AMD graphics and processors. If you've got any decent matches there, that may be my next build. Looking for near to top end, decent gaming specs, general use machine. Thanks.
Good video sir.
Sir, can u recommend good graphics card for my Intel i7 8700k with Asus Maximus 10 hero motherboard.
I find hard to get graphics card for my processor.
Is Intel i7 8700k is good for playing legend of legends in 1080 resolution with out graphics card ?
Can i get Asus Phoenix Nvidia Geforce Gtx 1650 Oc Edition Gaming Graphics Card (Pcie 3.0, 4Gb Gddr6 Memory) for my intel i7 8700k processor.
Sir, kindly give me ur opinion.
Really good video and got some ideas out of it. I originally intended to build a new system for the Nvidia 5000 launch, but after watching I might just upgrade my CPU.
Right now I'm running an AMD 3800X with a RTX 3080 GPU at 4k. I think upgrading to 5700/5800X3D should be the best option paired with probably a RTX 5080 (depending on future test results).
The CPU might still be a little bit on the lower end, but on 4k it shouldn't matter that much and it's much cheaper than building an AM5 system.
I would go 5700X3D when you're able to and then upgrade the GPU later.
im trying to buy a prebuit pc that can play/stream all the new games no problems but i only have about $2,000 to spend on it. Any reccomendations???
I found a great option for you at $2000 + Tax. It's the CyberPowerPC Gamer Supreme. It comes with a 7800X3D CPU and a 4070 Ti Super GPU.
Check out our Best Prebuilt Gaming PC 2024 video!
Thank you for simplifying all the data in this and other videos.
After seeing this one, I know exactly how to maximize gaming performance within my budget.
This video actually saved me some money as I was leaning towards the i5-12600kf, but I see now that as a gaming oriented build it will not give me the increase in performance to cost (about 30$ more for the 12600kf where I live)
The money saved can go to a decent air cooler.
Great video... Going to see the build videos of 5600x and i5-12400 next.
So glad we could help!!
I just upgraded to the 5700X3D from the 3700X to get 3 more years out of my RAM and motherboard. Also jumped from an RTX 3070 to the RTX 4070 Ti Super and it’s a HUGE improvement. I’ve not installed the new CPU yet, but the new GPU on the 3700X still runs Cyberpunk 2077 max settings full RT at 4k close on 100 FPS, its beautiful
Nice!
How about a website link where you make combos, and for what reason. And what pre-builder brand PCs have good combos, and for what purpose. This would help lots of people.
Got you already! Check out our Best Prebuilt Gaming PC 2024 video
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This is so helpful.
As someone who games exclusively on 1080p i knew my system was cpu bound but i didn't quite get what that meant till i saw this.
I would highly recommend deal hunting for used parts, just built a pc for under $400 with a 1660ti and R5 4500 that slays most 1080p games I throw at it
This is the most helpful PC build video I've seen. Thank you for making it easy to pair CPU and GPU!
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching
I have a 5500 cpu and a rx 6600, I had a budget at the time. it’s funny how the very first example is the perfect upgrade for my PC 😂👍🏼
6 Months ago i upgradet my old PC(Ryzen 5 1600 + stock cooler, GTX 1060 6gb, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz) to an Ryzen 5 5600 + Pure Rock 2 cooler, RTX 3060 12GB and 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz for about 500 euro. Im using the PC for casual gaming at 1080p, multitasking and maybe a little bit off video editing. Let me hear what you think?
Love the enthusiasm, but the CPU is mainly an issue when you have a 4090 and are playing at low resolutions, like eSports. Most people (read: non-eSports players) who want to be able to play PC games at high resolutions with the graphics settings maxed out should put their money into the GPU and any modern CPU (Ryzen 5 Zen 3 and 4 AMD, 11th Gen or better i5) will be totally fine. Yes, it's really that simple. And try to get a minimum of 12GB, 16GB+ is ideal today. 12GB starts out at about $330 for a 6750XT, I think the 7800XT is the cheapest 16GB card.
This video is very helpful for people like me(noobs in specs of PCs). I really love this content, please keep these videos coming!
So glad to help!
This video definetly helped. when i built my first pc, I had no idea what i was doing now im building a brand new pc with the 7800x3d and the rx7900xtx
Glad you found this one helpful. Congrats on the build!
Thanks for this video! As a video game content creator, I am forced to be a video editor too, I am saving for an RTX-4090 & PSU as the most "bang for my buck". MOBO & CPU are about 1/4~1/2? the money & only gets me 30~40-ish% overall performance of the GPU upgrade at 145% performance increase (according the tools I've tried to analyze this). In my evaluation, I have enough CPU (R7-3700X) for my current GPU (RTX-3070) and if I upgrade to the 4090, I get to continue gaming & recording while the RTX-3070 "rolls down hill" into my "old" PC that becomes my video editing / rendering / uploading station.
You sir maby saved me some money and regrets in a long term, im just thinking of making a partial upgrade only using my old 1080TI and PSU of 750W, my old CPU is old 4-th gen i5 4690, till this very video i was thinking of going AM4 b550 mobo with 5700x3d, and i was somewhat aware its the last gen CPU for this socket, also i thought i really need to have 8+ cores to be good for gaming, and yes its does help, but its no the biggest change im gonna see compared to get myself a AM5 mobo and 7600x, pair it with my 1080Ti for some time and save enough to go for AMD 7800XT! And then after years i can go for newer CPU like the 6-th gen or 7-th gen AM5 and get better CPU and again swap cards for the next gen GPU! But if i did cheap out now on AM4 platform and use 5700x3d, yeah i would still go for a good GPU after, but after few years i would have to spend money for second MOBO and new CPU probably, plus a DDR5 RAM then, so second pair of RAM stick ( because i would have used DDR4 for AM4 build) and this just keeps the price go up by a lot! All that difference can go in the future for even better CPU and GPU!! Thank you, for explaining the way you did!
I just upgraded from a first-gen I7 with 24GB RAM! DDR3 3GHz
and now it's another story with a Ryzen 9 7900X3D with 64GB RAM with an RTX3070Ti!
I'm mid assembling parts for my new PC now - selected an ROG Z690-E, i7-12700K and still deciding on the GPU. I'm torn between a RTX 4070 or 7800 XT.
Best buyer's and upgrader's guide I've been able to find for 2024. Cuts straight through the bull of all the pointless 1080p CPU benching littering the scene.
So glad its helpful! Thanks for watching
5800x3d and 7900xtx are peak am4, but besides that: for nearly every game; Cpu is basically the maximum framerate you can get, and GPU is the maximum graphics you can get that framerate at.
upgraded the 3600 to 5800x3d, now I need a gpu as the 5700xt isn't working out. only have a 650w psu should I go for a 4070 tis?
I just bought a Ryzen 9750x3d with an rtx 4070 card for $3.2k after all parts and taxes. Looking forward to trying it out. Not as much for gaming as for some video editing, and game making. My 980x processor from 2012 was getting a little long in the tooth (but still kicking it).
Just bought a new Ryzen 7 5700X for € 140 on amazon and a nearly new, but used MSI 4060 TI 8GB (Gaming X) for € 300 - so €440 for the combo which is an insane price to performance deal, also the most power efficient combo i could find. Highly recommended.
Looks like I have some well balanced rigs then. Primary rig is R7 5700X3D, 64GB DDR4 3600 RAM and RX 7800 XT. Secondary rig is R5 5600X, 32GB DDR4 3200 RAM and RTX 4060. Third rig (which I'm about to sell) is an R5 5500GT, 32GB DDR4 3200 RAM and a GTX 1070. Whole reason I ended with AM4 started with me getting a nice AM4 motherboard, 5600x and DDR4 due to me ordering the wrong parts for one of our office PCs. needed to be mATX and CPU with APU. I ordered full ATX and a 5600x plus DDR4 RAM. So I got these parts for free. Then I started upgrading my stuff with new graphics cards, CPUs and so on. And ended up with the above mentioned. If I had started from scratch, knowing what I know now, I would probably have gone with AM5. At least for my primary PC. But my above mentioned 5700X3D setup will last me for many years. It will also have no problems driving RTX 4090 performance tiers with no noticeable bottleneck. Sure AM5 will beat my 5700X3D for productivity but I am not into productivity anyway. Just gaming, a bit of streaming sometimes and casual use like web browsing and youtube. AM4 is also a very mature platform which is just rock solid. Sure, AM5 is more future proof, but when the time comes where I need an upgrade again (probably years from now), better AM5 motherboards and CPUs are out and DDR5 are cheaper. Who knows, maybe AM6 is out by then.
When I build a PC, I always put in a better CPU than needed. For one thing, that extra power will show itself in non-gaming applications. It's also much simpler to upgrade a GPU down the road than replace a CPU. I also always have multiple PCs. If I wasn't leapfrogging my builds, I might be more sensitive about putting in more CPU than my GPU needs.
I just went with a 4070Ti and an i7-13700K. Works pretty great. Thanks for the info, though.
I disagree with paying a little less for the intel CPU's without IGP. Sometimes that IGP is a very good way to diagnose a display issue.
Thanks man. On the market for a new PC and have about 3500$ to burn (screen excluded). This does help a lot!
Glad we could help, you're welcome! Thanks for tuning in.
at first, cpu in 4k makes not so big differences and than for the 7800X3d use a budget Board. Why using a Z690/790 Board for the 13700k? All you want, you can do with an B660/ B760 Board and than you can save around 40-60 Buckets.
The same with the cooling.
The cheaper cooler can handle the 13700k for games, with no problems.
I think, more important is that with an 13700k you should disable HT and maybe half of the E Cores. You get an higher performance with way more effiiency.
This was a great video! I want to comment something as a South American that I feel many reviewers, including people from Mexico or Spain not just US kind of "forget".
Yes, BIGGUR NUMBA BUTTER. We all know and love that. But when you SIT DOWN to use that machine, you are rarely not going to notice that you have a 5600 or a 7600, specially if you're not tech savvy or an avid gamer - this is with the caveat that the difference isn't massive, otherwise it would be noticeable. Which has another caveat, it's only noticeable for people that CAN COMPARE.
This is a personal opinion that I came about while researching stuff to create an affordable but good enough build for my gf, but so many reviewrs have SO MANY NUMBERS and tests and results in their mind, and they're also used to using mid to high end components that they kind of forget how "functional" a low end component could be. When I say low end I mean low but good, like the i3 12100, not low end and garbage like a GT1030. They also are usually in places where they have good enough prices or discounts, nearby stores like a microcenter with giant shelves full of diversity and availability and sometimes even good return policies.
For context to give you an idea of how bad it is sometimes for us, including taxes and all the garbage on top, if we take the "blue dollar" which is a parallel dollar for us let's say 1 USD = 1000 ARS, if you go to pcpartpicker the 5600G is about 120 to 140 dollars. That'd be 140.000 pesos for us. If you do a quick search, depending on the store, that CPU costs 183 USD up to 210 here. Meaning we are paying about 60 dollars extra for that for no real reason. The i3 12100F, as low as we could see it is actually 134 USD.
And of course this has nothing to do with us NOR reviewers of any kind, this is just country bullshit and politics. But the point where I'm trying to get is, if without knowing, you just sit down on the PC and have an i3 or a 5600G, both with a GPU (let's say a 3070 something that won't bottleneck either) at 1080p... I don't think anyone would sit there and say "oh wow, this feels like an i3, this is bad". The experience considering you'd have good enough cooling, an nvme drive perhaps... like the differences are mostly synthetic and on paper. Unless you're playing something demanding or truly CPU bound of course.
My point is there's a lot of talk on min maxing your fps or the value per dollar you pay and if you CAN do that, that's great. But I feel a lot of times we (all of use pc lovers) get caught up in these discussions about chiplet vs monolithic design, 10nm vs 7nm, and 2 extra cores etc. when maybe the use case is just playing freaking vidya gaemz and it'll all be ok. That is why I like sometimes when reviewers themselves sit down with a "budget pc" and start saying how surprised they are for that performance. And it's like yeah man, a ton of people worldwide are on that or even lesser/older hardware and have no real issues.
All that said, again, amazing video. Subbed!
Thanks for sharing and thanks for the sub! Hope you keep enjoying the content
I will share just my experience and findings. Target: dota 2. Current build: Ryzen 2600 rx570, fps with lowest possible settings 80 + strutters. Upgrade, single part - 5700x3d. FPS uplifts more than 40% on target resolution. Next upgrade if necessary will be GPU as currently the monitor is the bottleneck.
PS went for this part as it also solves any additional ram drawbacks that I might face - so savings on ram go towards this CPU
Just put together a 7800x3d + 4070ti Super OC. My first PC build. Your video made me feel better about my purchases since I wasn't sure if I made a mistake on the impulse buy if the 4070ti super. Was feeling like i should have held out for the 4090.
Great build you got there! So glad we could help
@@PCBuilderChannel I did make a mistake unfortunately, at least I think so, I got a 6600mhz Ram kit but my Motherboard only goes up to 6400mhz. So I may have to remedy that, I built the computer after watching your videos. But now I know! Though I'm not sure if it's okay to run the 7800x3d at 6400. Any recommendations?
@@Leovoldso if it helps Jason recommends 6000 CL30 for RAM
@@Leovoldyou can change your ram speeds in bios and if you haven’t already it probably isn’t running at 6600 mhz
This isn’t as big of a problem as you think it’s very fixable
@@deucedeucerims I was able to do so, I got them running at 6000.
If you've got Microcenter access you can bundle a Ryzen 7 7800x3D with a MB + RAM for only $196 for the CPU. Got a Ryzen 7 7800x3D + B650 MB + 32GB DDR5 for $480. Got my 4070 Super for $540 brand new (but I had a $60 off coupon so doesn't really count)
Very helpful! Looking to build a PC after being out of the game for over a decade. Great content!
Glad you found this one helpful! And that's great, you've got this! Hope you keep enjoying all the content :)
The elementary start is helpful. Start simple with the basics, smart, ty! Saves time on the research for us
So glad it was helpful!
I was thinking of R7 5700x with RTX 4060 that could hold for itself for 4-5 years. I've been using 1600 and GTX 1060 6GB for 5 years now since 2019, so I guess every 5 years you need to refit your hardwares.
Jason doesn't recommend the 4060 because of the VRAM.
He also doesn't think the 5700X is worth it over the 5600. He does like the 5700X3D though.
I would definitely rethink the 4060, especially if you want a build that will stay relevant. The lack of VRAM is a real problem and it’s terrible price to performance anyway. And yes I’d do 5600 personally. The 5800X won’t give your enough of a boost over it to warrant the price. See our Best Builds October video we have a fantastic 5600 build guide there
My 2 cents after 15 years: What resolution, graphics settings and which games I want to play at? This is the very first question.
Second: budget?
You always buy the best GPU you can afford for the resolution you need, and upgrade your CPU later, if needed.
Don't get less than 16GB RAM, and try to get your OS on an M.2 drive, if not, on a SATA3 SSD.
This video would have been a lot more informative if you add the Resolution into the mix as well.
60fps 4K gaming the 5600+7900xtx is a perfectly fine combo.
You get more FPS out of older games.
I have a r7 5700x and rx580 and I'm thinking about getting a used 6800 or 6800xt for average 400 or a new 7700xt for 470 dollars? They also have the new 6750xt for 350. Currently I only play CS2 and occasionally Red Dead and other story modes. 240hz hd monitor
Sounds like a good upgrade! See our "how to upgrade your pc 2024" video for more
Can you suggest a build for call pf duty/warzone ? I have a 2k budget
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I focused on 7800X3d, while having 3080TI. Thinking that upscaling are using more FPS then GPU resources, am I wrong in assuming this?
Always consider, AI upscaling has reduced the need for the top end gpu. This will only improve with time
Right now, i have a Ryzen 5 2600x and GTX 1650 on a B450. I want an upgrade, thinking of getting a R5 5600 and Rx 7700, any advices on possible changes here?
That would be a good upgrade.
I got a 7950X3D for $430 recently because a 7800X3D was $100 less and the 7700X was another $100 less. Basically, if I'm gonna spend $200+ moving onto AM5, if I can double my cores and get an X3D model for about twice as much I might as well take it. I can't believe it's 2 years old, but that's why it went from $700 down to $430.
It does also have performance issues compared to the 7800X3D sadly. Which is why it’s generally cheaper. You should watch our 7800X3D build guide we go over the issues with the 7950X3D there
I've been thinking of upgrading from a 2060 6gb mobile and a i7-10750 to a 4070 TI Super and 7800X3D.
I've been getting tired of having to suffer with framerates that I can't handle, so i'm working towards this!
Check out our How to Upgrade your PC 2024 video if that's helpful!
i have a 7600x and a 4070 super. i play at 1440p and all my games run 120fps or higher. from destiny 2 to cyberpunk all at max settings. ark survival ascended is the only game i get between 90 to 100fps. it cost me $1,300 to build my pc.
I went really hard in CPU, SSD and RAM, at the expense of GPU. Kept my old RTX 2070, but got an AMD 7800X3D. Planning on replacing the graphics card later
Only one question:
For OBS, ShotCut, Davinci Resolve, what can I get for $1,500?
All I do is audio, video editing. Don’t need anything for gaming.
I would maybe look at the new Intel Ultra CPUs and maybe pair that with a 4070 Super.
5600x has paired like a dream with the 4070 for me so far
Recently upgraded from a first gen ryzen 7 1700 lol and a gtx 1080. They were great to me for 7 years and I probably could've squeezed another year or two out of them but the deals on pc parts have been too good to pass up lately
Optiplex 9020 with a RX580 8GB. I had to get the 700BR PSU.
Emergency build during covid when my trinity APU finally died. Actually, I believe it was the fm2 mobo that failed.
Upgraded to the RX580 in like 2017 for $300 from an R7. The R7 was an upgrade so I could run/stream D3 years ago on the APU.
Have you done any vids on great value lower/mid general purpose PC builds? Not interest in 'gaming' PC's with ridiculously expensive GPU's, just something which gives good all around performance and a bit upgradeable in future.
Check out our Best Budget Gaming PC 2024, we have great sample builds for you there for this
seems like the best combo is the Ryzen 7 7800X3D and the RTX 4080 SUPER right?
That's a good combo and it might be the best combo for your needs but there are other options. See our latest 7800X3D build guide for more