@@CitizenScott Nothing poor about getting a CPU that's more than enough for modern games, and will remain such for at least 5 more years. Buying a $1000 CPU just for gaming doesn't make you rich, it makes you bad with money.
My 5800X3D is approaching 2 years old now. Easily one of the best tech purchases I've ever made. There are faster chips but I'm still GPU bound in everything I play.
The F SKUs seem like a useful idea conceptually until you get to pricing, and the value just never seem to be there. 16:10 seemed to be the worst, where you have to pay $1 more to get no iGPU, but even most of the time it feels like F SKUs are never discounted enough from non-F to justify losing the iGPU.
Loving the summary review videos! When we getting the next build fix? I think I have an upgrade well organized but I might not, so your advise would be awesome!
For Intel 13th and 14th gen beware they had a major design flaw form the factory, used 13 and 14th gen on the market could be defective. Some brand new also could still have the defect in them, and you won’t know until it suddenly stop working. Just wanted y’all shopping to keep it in mind, at your own risks if you decide to try your luck :) I wish you to get good cpus tho
For productivity, or at least video editing and such, my understanding is that you should never get a KF version of intel. The igpu can make a massive different in the editing experience.
What does this even mean? 13700k is only $275 right now. New. I got an open box for $230 in July. Best bang for buck. The degradation issue is a nothing burger.
Been running my 14700k since launch. Undervolted and adjusted power settings to minimal but stable and stock clocks. Could not be more satisfied with this cpu.
I've been eyeing a 9900x build, productivity focus, but still waiting for the new GPUs. I wonder if the pricing is likely to go up or down while waiting though. Should I get one now if I find a good price, or just wait until the GPUs are out as it's further down the line and generally prices get lower over time?
So happy I got the 7950x3D for $500 in August at Microcenter. I do architectural visualization 3D renderings in Maya/Vray and with Unreal Engine along with gaming on my downtime. It's truly the best all arounder.
I just finished a 7950X3D / 4080Super build!!! The CPU might not be the best “value”, but I splurged a little…. I’m upgrading from a GTX1050/i5-8300H Laptop from a 2018 Black Friday sale 😅
I'd kinda like to build a Windows Server 22/25 based development server out of something mid-range and the Be Quiet! Light Base 600. And a bunch of Light Wings...
When an APU with RDNA5 and 32 core Zen 7 comes out, I'm back in the market for a cpu. I heard RDNA4 is the last in the RNDA line so whatever it's called, fill in for RDNA5.
How long do you think this part last if you use it for Production or rendering? I have ryzen 3700X and i thinK i need to change it but I do not know with what to last longer and I have B450 tomahawk max but i hate it because it has just Gen 3 ×16 pcie
The best budget cpu is the i3-12100. For about 100$ you get a cpu and a gpu! I got this in my plex server. It's running super cool and has a 58w tdp. Additionally the igpu is used both as a graphic card and as a HW accelerator for video transcoding.
Down here in Houston (not sure if on any other micro center) there’s a bundle of a b650 motherboard with wifi, 32 gb of g skill ram and the 7600x3d for 399 planning on getting that
hi, i want to ask.. my current pc uses: CPU: i3 10105f GPU: RX6700 xt Ram: 2x8GB MB: Asrock H510m-HDV/M.2 and i want to upgrade my cpu to I5 11400f, is it still worth it? Or should I just upgrade to an i5 12400f? i use this pc to play AAA gaming
Yes, especially if you play 1440p or higher, the GPU will be the bottleneck. Just noticed, however, that you are talking about music production. DAWs and music production still benefit more for single core performance over multi core (though cores can help too, higher single core performance is more important), so actually the "gaming CPUs" might be better to look at for music production specifically. The CPU is also far more important to music production than regular use, gaming use, editing use, etc. So in music production, CPU and often RAM are the things to invest in.
13700k is only $275 right now. New. I got an open box for $230 in July. Best bang for buck. The degradation issue is a nothing burger. Edit: Lmfao... Didn't even mention it. Silly video.
5600x is about 12% faster than 5500 at the same clockspeed so the 5500 is a much better value at $85 - you'd need to find 5600x or 5600 at $98 or below to get a better value.
@@rbroccoli_ I got a 5800x3d last fall at Best buy for $220. I asked them to price match Micro Center and the 19 year old at the counter price matched the 5800x instead.
I see that the AMD 7700x is recommended at the under 300$ but not the regular 7700. Currious as to why as the 7700 is only 65watts tdp vs the 100+ of the other.. Also i wanted to the 7700 regular but its looking hard to choose it over a regular 7600 which is about 100$ cheaper for 2 less cores.
I just trust Intel.. when you buy a computer and it just runs solid for 5 to 7 years and then buy another one and it also runs for 5 to 7 years and again and again.. you just have trust that is hard to beat.. I'm 52 years old.. been using intel since my 286 in school.. and buying my first 486 at around 20 years old.. that's 32 years of solid intel.. not one chip ever died.. i've had crashes but was always microsoft i think.. but haven't crashed really in 7 years so i even trust microsoft for my OS.. my 8600k is just a beast.. just 6 cores of pure power.. and it runs at 39c idle .. 67c max load.. just did a blender test to be sure.. 100% cpu pegged... 63 to 67c... it's wicked.. i did have a cpu one time crashing at 103c but it was screw on fan that let one corner lift up... i put something heavy on the heatsink and ran it fine for weeks... then i got a 7700k that was wicked fast like almost 5ghz... but i also got the 8600k for a mining rig at the time.. when i saw 39c or less idle.. it just dropped to 700mhz at idle.. after having 103c.. i sold the 7700k.. i wanted the higher core count.. lower temps.. didn't have as fast single core but it was just amazing.. and still using it today so that's what 7 years now.. and i could use it for 5 more i bet.. but it's benchmark is only 10k.. and new ultra 7 is 59k.. but i just don't need it.. more of a want
Missed a good one in the budget category.... the 12600k at Newegg for $149 with $20 coupon code and it also gets free 1tb Kingston NV3 gen4 NVME SSD and the Assassins Creed Shadows game for free! Deduct the game and the SSD cost and it's basically a $20 CPU! Wow!
Yes, the 5700X @ $130 is a sweet deal. If you don't have a lot to spend and you need a PC that's capable of mid-level performance in just about anything, this is your CPU. Another AM$ super deal is the "new" 5900XT, which is actually a very slightly down-clocked 5950X. At just $279, fully $37 less than a 5950X, it's a no-brainer if you're on an AM4 board that can accept a Zen3 BIOS.
I thought 7800X3d is so high because they stopped production to make the 9800X3d. Will it go down overtime even as stock gets increasingly less? 5800X3D also went up in price.
I bought the 7800x3d last month and have the 9800x3d on order from Amazon arrives Dec 22. Not smart financially but it’s been a lot of fun gaming with the 7800x3d and I can’t wait to upgrade next month
5500 I'd stay away from Cezanne DDR3 yea get a Vermeer 5600_ DDR 4 huge overstock condition price will continue to come down. All 13th and 12th are bargains right now just avoid the used K but New is ok and NEW is definitely selling in the channel including on the clearance sale pricing. 7600_ is also in an overstock condition the price will continue to fall. 5800X New, I have a 5800X it great BUT 5800X3D are returning to the used market in droves as are 5900X. 5700X3D sure BUT the used 5800X3D. 7600X3D I have them sold out and would go for a 7900X3D used as a much better deal 12C v 6C and they both have the hexa core 1 ccd game appliance definitely go with 7900X3D used. 5900XT 16 core is a good deal yea vs $230 for a 5900X 12 core new I'd have to look up 5950X but have no need for a 16C CPU myself. 7800X3D sales r stalled in the channel almost flat so yea wait for the price to come down and that's in the next 45 days I think. haha 9800X3D yea try to find one for $479 the channel sees 3D as Extreme Edition pricing and that is what I expect for a 9K3D for at least 3 months, maybe longer. ANd yes Paul I had to add you the to SBan list terrible treatment. mb
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I just picked up a 5700X3D for $179 at Micro center. Staying on AM4 for a little while longer. Such a great deal
while longer? you may live out the life span of am5. start planning for am6 if am5 isn't stretched to 2029+ years.
Tell me you're poor without telling me.
@@CitizenScott Nothing poor about getting a CPU that's more than enough for modern games, and will remain such for at least 5 more years.
Buying a $1000 CPU just for gaming doesn't make you rich, it makes you bad with money.
@@harryshuman9637 It makes you not poor.
@@CitizenScott5700x is a great cpu and more than what most gamers need. Dont be a doofus young kid
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Should be mentioned that the 7600x3d at microcenter has a bundle for 450 for cpu + mobo + ram; pretty solid deal
All the bundles are about $50 USD over their lowest currently, hold for the sale.
It’s down to $400 and then $449 with a mobo upgrade
@@drewnewby idk what you’re seeing but the 7600x3d bundle at microcenter is $400
@qtnathan8648 That's not a new price, it's been $400 for a while...All the others are up $50 from just last month.
Currently Newegg has the 7600X cpu with a 1TB Kingston NV3 PCIE4 NVMe drive included for ~ $194...
I just bought a 5900X for about $229 at Newegg. I bought the 5900X and 32gb of Kingston DDR4 3600MT Ram for a total of $311 including shipping.
Yeah i ran that, great deal, you'll be able to do anything you want still....
Thumbs up for MT
My 5800X3D is approaching 2 years old now. Easily one of the best tech purchases I've ever made. There are faster chips but I'm still GPU bound in everything I play.
I made a mistake buying the RX7700XT with the 5800X3D. Im trying to change it soon as possible
The F SKUs seem like a useful idea conceptually until you get to pricing, and the value just never seem to be there. 16:10 seemed to be the worst, where you have to pay $1 more to get no iGPU, but even most of the time it feels like F SKUs are never discounted enough from non-F to justify losing the iGPU.
F tier does come with a "cooler" (unless it's KF).
Though not a cooler that are really useful for anything but lining your trash bin.
Loving the summary review videos!
When we getting the next build fix? I think I have an upgrade well organized but I might not, so your advise would be awesome!
For Intel 13th and 14th gen beware they had a major design flaw form the factory, used 13 and 14th gen on the market could be defective. Some brand new also could still have the defect in them, and you won’t know until it suddenly stop working. Just wanted y’all shopping to keep it in mind, at your own risks if you decide to try your luck :) I wish you to get good cpus tho
Love that your content is so direct (and funny). No babble, just facts and opinions. Thanks Paul!!
Just got that godlike msi & need the 9950x3d for no reason at all
damn😍
We have the same reason. Go figure...
lol how did you decide what case to put it in? Nothing is worthy.
@@danb3785 He well probably ask a lab to grow a synthetic diamond case for him probably
@@danb3785 V3000+ gave me a reason to get a extended motherboard.
Walmart has in-store only 7800x3d for 399.99 if ur lucky enough to have a walmart that carries pc parts
Best gaming: 9800X3D
Best productivity: 9950X
Best heater: 14900KS
Unfortunately the heater may fail after only a couple of years, so... best paper weight?
@@abaj006 Little behind are you?
The degradation issue is fixed, and overblown.
They also have a 5 year warranty.
@@DingleBerryschnapps So you're saying my heater is more reliable now?
Best heater ? 😂😂😂
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Picked up 14900k for $400 a couple days ago new. For an all around CPU, I am happy.
For productivity, or at least video editing and such, my understanding is that you should never get a KF version of intel. The igpu can make a massive different in the editing experience.
Just over here with my i7 13700k
same
What does this even mean?
13700k is only $275 right now. New.
I got an open box for $230 in July.
Best bang for buck. The degradation issue is a nothing burger.
@DingleBerryschnapps it means what its meant to supposed to mean, the meaning is the mean to what is meant to be meant and mean.
how come no one mentions the ryzen 7 9700x? It seems an upgrade to the 7700x
Well on Amazon the 9700x is $317 and the 7700X is $263 and the 9700x. So that's like also 20% cost 5% more speed.
is the 7600x3d going to be good for production as well? or just gaming?
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Been running my 14700k since launch. Undervolted and adjusted power settings to minimal but stable and stock clocks. Could not be more satisfied with this cpu.
I've been eyeing a 9900x build, productivity focus, but still waiting for the new GPUs. I wonder if the pricing is likely to go up or down while waiting though. Should I get one now if I find a good price, or just wait until the GPUs are out as it's further down the line and generally prices get lower over time?
Great overview
So happy I got the 7950x3D for $500 in August at Microcenter. I do architectural visualization 3D renderings in Maya/Vray and with Unreal Engine along with gaming on my downtime. It's truly the best all arounder.
I got from cex UK with 5 years warranty for £400 2 weeks ago. Love it
I just finished a 7950X3D / 4080Super build!!! The CPU might not be the best “value”, but I splurged a little…. I’m upgrading from a GTX1050/i5-8300H Laptop from a 2018 Black Friday sale 😅
Is there a reason why the 7950x3d went up so much?
@@Yiwol Demand for it.
@@Yiwol no idea but it was sub $500 6 months ago 🤷♂️
Best CPU for gaming AND production is 1-2 months away: the 9950x3D. Can't wait to get it for my next build. :)
Im building my first pc, what's the best budget cpu to combo with rx 6800 and 32gb ram am4? 🙏🏻
As always, great video Paul 👍
How long you think a new ecore 1 will make noise/burn in i know. Its fine otherwise.
What about some recommendations for the best all rounder - if you want to do some gaming and production?
I'd kinda like to build a Windows Server 22/25 based development server out of something mid-range and the Be Quiet! Light Base 600. And a bunch of Light Wings...
12400F was under $100 a few months ago, may be again soon.
When an APU with RDNA5 and 32 core Zen 7 comes out, I'm back in the market for a cpu. I heard RDNA4 is the last in the RNDA line so whatever it's called, fill in for RDNA5.
I got the 12900KS. Thinking of pairings it with the Battlemage B750 or B770
How long do you think this part last if you use it for Production or rendering? I have ryzen 3700X and i thinK i need to change it but I do not know with what to last longer and I have B450 tomahawk max but i hate it because it has just Gen 3 ×16 pcie
The best budget cpu is the i3-12100. For about 100$ you get a cpu and a gpu!
I got this in my plex server. It's running super cool and has a 58w tdp. Additionally the igpu is used both as a graphic card and as a HW accelerator for video transcoding.
Thanks again Paul. Should a 4K video editor target production or game CPU?
Production
You completely ignored the APUs for the "production" machines. Especially for the cheaper solutions, since it saves you the price from a GPU.
Bought a 7600x3d 32 G GSkill Ram and Full ATX Asus Tuf Mobo for $400. 4070TI Super cost $760..lol. Charlotte Micro Center FTW!
Nice to see team blue getting beaten
Bitten
Sticking with my 14900k. outperforms the new gen Intel chips & on par with the X3D chips @ 4K or 1440p with much snappier casual use experience.
" outperforms the new gen Intel chips". Maybe in gaming and there is more to a CPU than playing games.
Why no 7500f, it's perfect for 1440p
The 5700X3D is still perfect!
Would you choose the 5700x for that $130 price over a 5700x3D?
If you're building new, go x3d. If you're upgrading go x3d.
Love these videos
Down here in Houston (not sure if on any other micro center) there’s a bundle of a b650 motherboard with wifi, 32 gb of g skill ram and the 7600x3d for 399 planning on getting that
My wallet is lucky I don't live near a microcenter
hi, i want to ask.. my current pc uses:
CPU: i3 10105f
GPU: RX6700 xt
Ram: 2x8GB
MB: Asrock H510m-HDV/M.2
and i want to upgrade my cpu to I5 11400f, is it still worth it? Or should I just upgrade to an i5 12400f? i use this pc to play AAA gaming
Eh, just upgraded to a R9 5900X for less than $300. I think I'm good. It does everything I want and then some.
Always the best, Paul.
Your videos are a real treat! They are always informative and well edited.📹❕⭐️
Production cpus are still good as gaming cpus too, right?
yes, actual gaming performance depends on the GPU
@@HellPedre I do music production and some video editing and about to do a new build. also I do some gaming too so wanting to be sure im good on both.
@@Thepaulislame any good and fast modern CPU will do you wonders then
Yes, especially if you play 1440p or higher, the GPU will be the bottleneck. Just noticed, however, that you are talking about music production. DAWs and music production still benefit more for single core performance over multi core (though cores can help too, higher single core performance is more important), so actually the "gaming CPUs" might be better to look at for music production specifically. The CPU is also far more important to music production than regular use, gaming use, editing use, etc. So in music production, CPU and often RAM are the things to invest in.
Which cpu should i pick for gaming and recording + editing 4k video. I pair with 4090.
7950X3D or wait for the 9950X3D to drop at CES. It’s gunna be the dominant flagship for a while
no we are told theres a final FINAL microcode that will fix the real problem this time for sure ;)
What if you had a new segment called "Paul's Screamin' Deals!"
Waiting on my9800X3D, which has been lost in the Canada Post strike. I’m told it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow………….
Need help deciding on the 7800x3d or 9800x3d. Long term gaming rig. Coming from a 5600
Definitely 9800x3d, especially considering they're basically the same price.
they are not the same price🙈😂🤣
Would have been hella funny to just swipe them off the table and pop down the 9800X3D and end the video all in 10 seconds.
just bought a 2 5600x to day for my kids build
How is this "There is only one good CPU and you can't buy it because it's out of stock"..
Just bought a 12600KF, z790, 16GB RAM for $250. an unbeatable price really.
2:30 You just made the top of UserBenchmark’s DeathNote list 😱
If you only went for gaming builds there'd be no need for that stack of Intel boxes.
13700k is only $275 right now. New.
I got an open box for $230 in July.
Best bang for buck. The degradation issue is a nothing burger.
Edit:
Lmfao... Didn't even mention it. Silly video.
This has to be a difficult period for you Paul. Intel’s not doing well enough to substantiate this 😂
5600x is about 12% faster than 5500 at the same clockspeed so the 5500 is a much better value at $85 - you'd need to find 5600x or 5600 at $98 or below to get a better value.
I realize you need to produce content; but I think that as long as the top tier X3D's aren't released you're wasting bandwidth.
I want to see motherboard guide for 2024
Excellent 😅
Get rid of the Intel cpus and you got a better list lol
The 12700k is $187 on newegg
THANK YOU FOR BEING TRUE & not adding the 15th gen Garbage intel cpus.
Segregation is back. 0:26
i was excited about the 9800x3d til it sold out. but my 5800x3d is still crushing my gaming so F it.
I bought the 5800x and not worth the price of x3d. I gotta wait for 9800x3d availability... Bummer.
@@rbroccoli_ I got a 5800x3d last fall at Best buy for $220. I asked them to price match Micro Center and the 19 year old at the counter price matched the 5800x instead.
@@rbroccoli_ i got 5800x3d when it came out and not regretting the purchase since i dont NEED to upgrADE.
Can you really trust Intel 13 and 14 gen
13400F
No Intel Core Ultras mentioned. Auch.
I see that the AMD 7700x is recommended at the under 300$ but not the regular 7700. Currious as to why as the 7700 is only 65watts tdp vs the 100+ of the other..
Also i wanted to the 7700 regular but its looking hard to choose it over a regular 7600 which is about 100$ cheaper for 2 less cores.
All the X processors seem to use more power, I think it has to do with them being factory overclocked or something
@ true and on paper the performance difference appears to be marginal to me. at least for the 7700 and 7700x.
Stop edging me to build a new PC. I don't need it!
I just trust Intel.. when you buy a computer and it just runs solid for 5 to 7 years and then buy another one and it also runs for 5 to 7 years and again and again.. you just have trust that is hard to beat.. I'm 52 years old.. been using intel since my 286 in school.. and buying my first 486 at around 20 years old.. that's 32 years of solid intel.. not one chip ever died.. i've had crashes but was always microsoft i think.. but haven't crashed really in 7 years so i even trust microsoft for my OS.. my 8600k is just a beast.. just 6 cores of pure power.. and it runs at 39c idle .. 67c max load.. just did a blender test to be sure.. 100% cpu pegged... 63 to 67c... it's wicked.. i did have a cpu one time crashing at 103c but it was screw on fan that let one corner lift up... i put something heavy on the heatsink and ran it fine for weeks... then i got a 7700k that was wicked fast like almost 5ghz... but i also got the 8600k for a mining rig at the time.. when i saw 39c or less idle.. it just dropped to 700mhz at idle.. after having 103c.. i sold the 7700k.. i wanted the higher core count.. lower temps.. didn't have as fast single core but it was just amazing.. and still using it today so that's what 7 years now.. and i could use it for 5 more i bet.. but it's benchmark is only 10k.. and new ultra 7 is 59k.. but i just don't need it.. more of a want
Missed a good one in the budget category.... the 12600k at Newegg for $149 with $20 coupon code and it also gets free 1tb Kingston NV3 gen4 NVME SSD and the Assassins Creed Shadows game for free! Deduct the game and the SSD cost and it's basically a $20 CPU! Wow!
CPU - smells so bad you can see it
buy amd
5700X SUPREMACY
Just to save every one some issues. go AMD!!! I have bought intel for years but they cant keep up and there chips are hot and unstable.
Yes, the 5700X @ $130 is a sweet deal. If you don't have a lot to spend and you need a PC that's capable of mid-level performance in just about anything, this is your CPU. Another AM$ super deal is the "new" 5900XT, which is actually a very slightly down-clocked 5950X. At just $279, fully $37 less than a 5950X, it's a no-brainer if you're on an AM4 board that can accept a Zen3 BIOS.
I got my 7950X3D last month from Microcenter for $409 as part of a bundle with MSI X670E MB ($192) and 32 GB Gskill memory ($99).
I thought 7800X3d is so high because they stopped production to make the 9800X3d. Will it go down overtime even as stock gets increasingly less? 5800X3D also went up in price.
Thank you Paul, just picked up a 13900k cpu upgrade from 12600k
Intel is dead to me.
No one likes the 5800x....lol
M4.
Paul I just wanted to say your videos are cathartic. Thank you.
That's appreciated thank you 😁
Holiday season AKA known as fucking Christmas. Just saying so that you guys know.
Merry Christmas! Shitter was full! 😂
I bought the 7800x3d last month and have the 9800x3d on order from Amazon arrives Dec 22. Not smart financially but it’s been a lot of fun gaming with the 7800x3d and I can’t wait to upgrade next month
u will not see much difference between them in gaming over 1440p or 4k , but if u like to pay extra 200 go ahead😅😂
@@87AequitasI paid $468 for the 7800x3d and 479$ for the 9800x3d . $10 difference lol
5500 I'd stay away from Cezanne DDR3 yea get a Vermeer 5600_ DDR 4 huge overstock condition price will continue to come down. All 13th and 12th are bargains right now just avoid the used K but New is ok and NEW is definitely selling in the channel including on the clearance sale pricing. 7600_ is also in an overstock condition the price will continue to fall. 5800X New, I have a 5800X it great BUT 5800X3D are returning to the used market in droves as are 5900X. 5700X3D sure BUT the used 5800X3D. 7600X3D I have them sold out and would go for a 7900X3D used as a much better deal 12C v 6C and they both have the hexa core 1 ccd game appliance definitely go with 7900X3D used. 5900XT 16 core is a good deal yea vs $230 for a 5900X 12 core new I'd have to look up 5950X but have no need for a 16C CPU myself. 7800X3D sales r stalled in the channel almost flat so yea wait for the price to come down and that's in the next 45 days I think. haha 9800X3D yea try to find one for $479 the channel sees 3D as Extreme Edition pricing and that is what I expect for a 9K3D for at least 3 months, maybe longer. ANd yes Paul I had to add you the to SBan list terrible treatment. mb