@@josephdias5859 You can overclock the 12100F to 5ghz with an Asrock b760m that cost $100. With that kind of single core performance the 12100f can beat the 5600x3D in some games, and pulls 60-80w while doing it. Mine is overclocked to 5.1-5.2ghz with 4800 ddr5 overclocked to 6800mhz, averages 150-180fps in Warzone 1440p. The motherboard ram and CPU costs less than $250. Can’t beat that price to performance with much these days.
I went from i7-4700MQ to i7-12700K. If the R7 7800X3D was launched as an APU with 12 cores, i would own it instead of the i7-12700K (AMD had nothing similar to it).
@@saricubra2867 not overclocked you are. My cinebench score was way above the i7-3770.My cpu was running at 4.8ghz with 2.6 on the Northbridge using 2400 DDR3 ram. But I do admit that thing was power Hungry as fuck. Lasted me from 2016 and still kicking it tho suprisingly. Altho my Northbridge is starting to become unstable
I found a Asrock x99 extreme 4 at a local college surplus store that had been marked down to $20 USD. That's practically a steal at that point. Until such time I would acquire something like an 6900k or equivalent Xeon, I've got a E5-2667 V3 I got for $8 on eBay. I love this platform
you will not have any reasonable performance benefit from upgrading, especially considering, that 2667 one of the highest stock clocks. Honestly 6850k vs 2666 felt the same
X99 is first generation of motherboards that supported NVMe, and you can even get them to support Resizable Bar, so it fair really well considering it's age, it's really one legendary generation Edit: Ah fudge, that's for Z97 and 4th Gen Intel, not X99
@@twanheijkoop6753 I was able to follow a guide on winraid (now hosted by level1techs) pretty easily. They have a very compatible tiny UEFI module you can add to the BIOS. Or just use a Clover NVMe enabled boot drive, like a SATA Disk on Module or low profile USB thumb drive. Also Sandy and Ivy bridge support NVMe this way. Including X79.
The 4790k when overclocked is still a pretty good CPU honestly. I had no idea you could get them to accept resizable bar!! That’s awesome thanks for the info!!
Thanks to Miyconst, I was able to build a budget x99 system with the Machinist x99 PR8 and the xeon 2666v3. It has 10 cores/20 threads and turbos over 3ghz at stock. It pairs well with cards up to the 6600xt. I got the board and CPU for less than 40$ shipped to my country.
@yourbluewaffle how has the PR8 worked out for you with respect to DDR3 compatibility and the VRMs? Been thinking about picking one up with a 2666v3 to use all the DDR3 I have laying around. Any issues with the board?
Haswell really was ahead of it’s time. My z97 has usb 3.1 ports and a m.2 slot that I recently put a 2tb ssd in. At the time it was seen as an incremental improvement over ivy bridge but these creature comforts plus avx2 support means that a simple swap of my 980ti to a 1080ti (equivalent, im running a 12gb Titan Xp) a little down the road still has the ancient pc pretty relevant.
just put a 2080 TI in my xeon system and I get great performance I could probably upgrade to a 4090 and not have a problem since I see my GPU at 100% and my dual cpu system only go up to like 7 percent utilization
@@ChunkyWaterisReal a 4090 is 5 times as powerful as a 2080 TI, 7 percent times 5 equals 35% so my CPU would still be fine. also I have 2 processors, not 1 (32 cores)
This misses the appeal in the X99 Xeons.... their true value is in being able to get an 8/10/12/14/16/18 core CPU for dirt cheap, and sticking it in a dirt cheap AliExpress motherboard with dirt cheap quad channel ECC memory.
@@max_uaminecraft1827 No - but you will get better price to performance. The point of buying used X99 chips is obviously not to get the best performance in the world, it's to get great performance for a fraction of the cost of a newer platform.
@@max_uaminecraft1827 Most pro software offer use of multi core for years already, the ones that dont mostly dont needed it for their next itterations. Its basically just games that keep consumer sales pushing
The US government just dumped 127k cores worth of Haswell E onto the secondary market, so I'd expect them to be cheap and readily available for years to come. They just don't have the performance per watt to actually be worth buying if your electricity isn't basically free.
are you payng a thousand dollars a kilowatt hour? I have 2 of these plus 5 other computers running in my house 24/7 and it only accounts for less than 5% of my energy bill. moderrn intel chips can be even worse in effeciency than these. spending hundreds of extra dollars to pinch pennies off your electricity bill is a pretty dumb move when you can get these for 10 dollars
@@flamingscar5263 I have super high energy costs. my bill is 500 a month here in florida when it used to be 200. almost none of my bill goes towards all the old "inefficient" computers I have. maybe 10 to 15 dollars a month in energy for computers and I have 5 systems running at all times
I'm quite surprised by your take in this video, since it wasn't that long ago you were singing the praises of the i7-5960X which is essentially the same chip as the 1660v3. I'm running a j-batch 1660v3 @ 4.3GHz in my daily workstation with 32GB DDR4-2400 on my old AsRock X99-Extreme4, coupled with a 6700XT, and this machine still continues to REALLY impress me. The 1660v3 was an upgrade from my venerable 5820K that I'd been running since 2015 at 4.4GHz (the Xeon was cheaper and easier to get ahold of than a 5960X at the time), and I still feel no need to upgrade away from X99 with the Xeon. I do more productivity than gaming, but even at 4K I'm still getting performance I'm perfectly happy with! I definitely made the right choice back in 2015 throwing the extra cash at X99 instead of Z97. Only drawback of course is my power bill (my partner runs a 1680v4 workstation day-to-day lmfao) and the space heater quality of this machine :D
Sixteen months is a long time! Given how different things are in mid-2024 compared to Jan 2023, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to change my mind. Not to mention, apparently I didn't think power consumption was important enough in that first review to warrant buying a watt meter. I know better now! I don't have to tell you how good your CPU is, but I think it's only fair to warn potential X99 buyers what they're getting themselves into in 2024.
Approximately few months back I grabbed myself a Chinese motherboard with 8 RAM slots for $95. Surprisingly found 256GB (32×8) 2666mhz ECC registered as well for dirt cheap $130 ish. Paired it with a 1680v4 costing $85 (but man it came after like nearly 2 months). Paired these up with a decent 650W deepcool PSU and a decent airflow case. Everything got me fired up less than $500. I had a spare 3070 lying around so added that ($350 at that time from second hand market) Before that I do have two other systems with an intel i9-9900k + RTX 2080ti (which costed me about $2500+ back in the day) and a somewhat newer Ryzen 7 5700x paired with an RX 6950xt which was build about a year ago. I must say the xeon build puts those two new systems to shame when it comes to value. True it costs a bit more wattage but not that much. I'm really really surprised actually. Using 3 of them simultaneously but recently finding myself using the Xeon system more often hmmm
That was back in the day that the perfect-yield first-pick top-bin parts were always chosen for Xeons. The top-tier top-rung top-price power-user enthusiast-gamer consumer i7-5960X was actually an E5-1680v3 which was downbinned because it couldn't run as fast. And the rest of the Haswells (then later the Haswell-E's) followed the same pattern on each rung.
i bought my X99 F8 combo with E5-2696(18 cores, 32 threads) v3 and 64gb ddr4 for less than a modern i3 cpu alone. when I test in cpuz my setup has a higher score than a i9 11th gen. let that sink in
@@nesyboi9421 I couldn't really reach 144FPS+ to use backlight strobing effectively (usually was around 120 but down to 70 in more demanding shooters) Few non-comp games gained healthy 30% from the switch but most games gained 100% to even 300% higher framerate which blew me away
@@nesyboi9421 I consider anything over 60fps a high framerate lol. I'm happy with 60fps on my i9-10900X + GTX 1080, I only have a 60Hz monitor anyway. Though I don't play any competitive games
@@Pasi123 Genuinely same about being happy with 60 fps, I just don't consider 60 fps a high framerate, I consider it a good framerate. The standard that should be met. 30-55 is playable framerate albeit undesirable, and below that is a low or unplayable framerate depending on how bad it is.
I built a complete x99 system for $160 that games exceptionally well. I think this video really misses the point of using Xeons from the Broadwell and Haswell generations. When engaging in a topic such as this a good amount of research needs to be done is you are not familiar with the subject. Knowing the tricks to doing this on the cheap is how it works. I bought my last Dell T5810 for $60 with the following included (and in some cases modified): in16GB single stick ram which was swapped out for 4 8gb sticks... got to have quad channel- net additional cost ~$20; used 1tb M.2 Nvme I paid $40 and a NVME to PCIE adapter for $6 as I recall..plugs right in runs great; 2 2tb HDD were included in the system; a 1620v3 was included in the system which I replaced with a 1660v3 (I have 2 1660v3s that clock faster than my 1680v3) for $15 that clocks easily to 4.4GHz- have done Cinebench at 4.6GHz but I have to use 1.35v+ which I really don't want to do for ~5% more performance); $20 10 pin to dual 8 pin PCIE adapter to power my 3080ti off of the extra CPU port on the power distribution board;Quadro k2200 I sold for ~$20 after my cost for shipping. For ~$150 I have a full system that will easily compete with if not outperform the systems in this video (and many new systems today) at a cost that was close to the CPU and motherboard of the other systems. At What Cost?
I've bought 2 ali express "x99" boards and had one of them fail within a month. Not sure if I would recommend someone on a tight budget to take that risk
Years back the economics made more sense. Unless you live in a country where the economics are skewed, AM4 is a much better ultra budget platform now, even if it is dead.
Oh my God....that was terrible, sorry for your loss.... I think I won't try to buy a chinese X99 board...better the real X99 board right? Damn I was so tempted with the lower price of that chinese board...but the risk is to high I guess.
@@royrepie61 Ali express does also have a lot of relatively cheap b450 boards as well (and a good selection from well known brands). Unless you need the massive number of cores, a ryzen 5 3600 should outperform pretty much anything that fits in an x99 board in games anyways
3 months ago, bought full server blade w i75960x water cooled + GTX 970 no ssd for $160 CA. went back after validating the whole thing and since the gpu was bad on the one i got em down to 100$ each. bough x 3. all of those GPU's worked!!! so happy x99 Gigabye G1 Gaming p5 UD mobo! then went back bough 4 more. doing a giveaway or at cost sale for upgrades on all 4 of those PCs. hmu if ur in central CA. Buyers market over here.
I had my Xeon W3690 OC'd to 4.6ghz for 5 years or so. Finally upgraded to a Ryzen 9 5950x. Yes, huge performance upgrade. But damn....that thing still keeps up mostly. Even had it with a Samsung 950 pro nvme drive to boot from. It's still in my living room for the kids to play with. Both have a 6950XT gpu. Unlocked Xeons are no joke. Back then, the Xeons where made from the core of the silicon slug. The I 7's where just outside of that. So these Xeons were really durable.
After going from an X58 Xeon X5675 @ 4.8GHz to a Ryzen 5 3600X in 2019, and then to a 5800X in 2021, the performance upgrade has of course been nice, but what I noticed most was that my air conditioning was actually effective during summer again. That Xeon could peak power at ~320W, and compared with my 5800X that rarely draws more than 110W, I learned my lesson. What you save in initial cost for these chips, you end up paying for with suffering (and electricity).
Worrying about cpu power draw really become a concern when its hot where you live. I have a 5900x and I slightly undervolt/underclock and the temp went from 80c to 60c during busy part of gaming. It too probably only draw less than 110w most of the time. Only exception is blender/video rendering.
With the x99, you do have some additional gear ratios when tinkering with BCLK overclocking so things like DMI/PCIe run at their correct clock rates but permitting 125 Mhz or 166 Mhz base clocks reaching the processor socket. This is how you can hit much higher clocks on the E5 v3 or E5 v4 series chips with locked *maximum* multiplier. Most CPUs to be able to take a 66% overclock due to the base block improvement but the multiplier can be decreased to move things back into a sane range for stability. This is how you'd get a 4.5 Ghz clock on the E5-2630 v4 and its 10 cores or 4.4 Ghz on the E5-2690's 18 cores. You do need a good cooler for these types of overclocks and a good VRM to supply all the necessary power to the socket. Be prepared to double or even triple the amount of power compared to their default clocks. Another thing that can improve cooling in general is sanding/polishing these processors. These chips are old and inexpensive enough (for me at least) that I wouldn't worry about voiding warranties to flatting the integrated heat spreader. Similarly I'd do the same to the heat sink/water block base so they'd match. Combine that with liquid metal and a good copper base on the heat sink/water block and you can radically drop temperatures or push the chip a bit more.
I wish this were true but it doesn’t seem to be. I can’t get my machine stable with anything more than a 104 BCLK, maybe I need to increase CPU input power? Or drop multiplier? It seems it will be impossible to get 125mhz and if I did then I would need to drop the multiplier so much that I’ll be back to the same clocks of the multiplier being maxed out. I’m curious of your process though. If you have advice I’ll try to implement it. Thank you
@@ChidiOable It is a ratio setting that you’re looking for. If you’re making adjustments with raw number like that, chances are that you’re altering the raw BCLK which indeed doesn’t go much beyond 100 MHz. The other thing is that when you find the ratio adjustment, you’ll need to drop your CPU multiplier down as once the higher ratio has been applied it’ll other wise have a 25% overclock on it (CPU clock moves from 100 MHz -> 125 MHz for the multiplier while BCLK for PCIe remains at 100 MHz). You can adjust both the ratio and the BCLK. That 104 MHz BCLK would means that the CPU is being feed 130 MHz before the multiplier. Where that ratio lies depends on the motherboard.
@@powerpower-rg7bk Okay, I’ll try to see if I can get this to work. Do you suggest I adjust CPU straps as well or do I just adjust the BLCK ratio? My CPU is E5 - 2696 V3 Do you by any chance have a write up that has more info on how to do this? Thank you. Also doesn’t TDP limits come into play and even if I succeed with the ratio won’t the PL1 and 2 limits just keep down clocking the cpu?
@@powerpower-rg7bk Okay, I’ll try to see if I can get this to work. Do you suggest I adjust CPU straps as well or do I just adjust the BLCK ratio? My CPU is E5 - 2696 V3 Do you by any chance have a write up that has more info on how to do this? Thank you. Also doesn’t TDP limits come into play and even if I succeed with the ratio won’t the PL1 and 2 limits just keep down clocking the cpu?
im using dual xeon e5 2699 v3 unlocked and undervolt on cheap chinese mb. its stable at 3.3ghz for all 36 core 72 threads. disabling 2 core for each cpu can give me 3.5ghz all core. but at what cost? 2x145 Watt all the time for cpu only
X99 for life! Still my go-to suggestion for cheap gaming or home server build. Still looking for some of those rare 16xx V3 cpus! Got my hands on a 1680v3 for a fairly cheap price not to long ago. Although the 1650v3 and 1660v3 were the most fun to overclock.
The most impressive thing for me is how low the CPU temperature is. For someone live in tropical regon like me, my cpu, while idle, can't even goes below 50 degree during summer. Anything below 70 Celcius during gaming is just COOL.
You can’t go wrong with a Machinist MR9A, 2698v3 turbo unlocked and 4x8gb 2133mt/s ecc ram for ~$120. You’ll get just 2-3% less fps than the OC’ed 4.3Ghz 1660v3 thanks to the 40MB L3 cache and not need any special cooling past a $20 4 heat pipe.
I'm actually using Strix X99 with E5-2666v3 and RTX2070 , i also have platform with i7 9700K. When i did timespy benchmark 2666v3 beats I7 9 gen easly (7837 vs 6504). Currently i'm going to sell i7 and stay with E5 for few more years... My E5 2666v3 with RTX2070 gets 8397 points in timespy benchmark without any O.C
In my experience these make more sense if you get your hands on an off lease workstation like a Dell Precision or Lenovo (Thinkstation?) and drop in a GPU and are good to go. Alot of companies dump palettes of the things.
I've recently been really impressed with intel 4th gen as of recently, with a development/gaming budget build I did. And that was with a 4590 i5 4 core 4 thread, keen to get a cheap 4770k or 4790 and see how that goes with the gpu I paired it with (gtx 1080 fe)
I think your memory OC its unstable on the xeon, do you do a karhu o occt 8h ram test at least? if not the 0.1% would be affected a lot! and you overclock the cache?
This has inspired me to dig out that old ASUS X99-E-10G WS I stuck on a shelf years ago. That was an absolute beast of a board back in its day. And I just got given an old Proliant Gen9 with two E5-2687w V3 CPU's. One of those should be tasty in that board! That generation allowed up to 4 x16 PCI-E slots. Seems we have downgraded ever since with my current Z790 only supporting one.
My 4.4ghz 6850K is still putting up a worthy fight. I even did a BIOS mod on my board to unlock Resizable BAR for better performance with modern GPUs. But it is finally starting to show its age. I'm looking pretty closely at one of the 9000X3D's, so that i can build my first new PC in nearly a decade.
i have a xeon 2696 v4 system AND a i3 12100F system (ddr5 4800), both are gaming builds, they are comparable in gaming, BUT when encoding video, the xeon crushes it hands down.
You forgot to mention that E5-1660 V3 can only use 2133Mhz DDR4 Ram, So your RAM speed is affected. Pretty sure it will default the CPU speed from 3200Mhz to 2133Mhz. Correct me if I'm wrong. Most cheap X99 Chinese motherboard only goes to 2400MHz at most (There are some that can support higher Ram Speed).
@@nuzhmizafidi2037 My Asus X99 deluxe, could run @3200(with 4 sticks, 32GB Total ) DDR 4 speeds with an Xeon e1660 v3 or 5280k, the first at 4500MHZ and 1.32v and the second @ 4300MHZ, also at 1.3v. Now is my son in law using it, but not overclocked, because of power. (ring bus @ 4000mhz, when overclocked).
The 4 channel memory will double the speed of the 2133mhz ram. As long as you install in the proper order in the 8 ram slots. You can use 4 slots and leave space between each dimm which will stay cooler as well.
@@nuzhmizafidi2037 I've got a 1660 v4 sitting in a dead Chinese fake x99 board (died after a month of server use). Might just grab another 2 sticks of ram and keep an eye out for a well priced board.
I'm about to retire my 6850K from daily driver use, replacing it with a 5600X. But for no reason beyond curiosity, I've purchased a Xeon E5-2699 v3 to pop into the X99 board. No gaming, no on-line excursions once it's up and running, but it should be fun to play with.
The 16XX xeons don't make any sense from a budget standpoint. They go for way too much because of the ability to O.C. them clock. If you are willing to fiddle around with bios or you can find someone to make you a custom bios using one of the higher end cpu's, with the max turbo unlocked on all cores, gets you way more performance per dollar. Of course it also potentially gets you way more heat and way more power draw. It does limit you as far as not being able to use a v4 the turbo bios mod doesn't seem to effect them. I still use an x99 system that I've been running for years and the e5-2699 v3 is pretty banging.
Huananzhi x99 TF with F8 DE28 bios runa de 1660v3 4.2 @ 1.15v set max wat use to 168w It uses full cpu and not throttle. Cpu 4.2gh 3600 mhz ringbus speed. Both +125mv Ram 2400 mhz max 2666 wil not boot. What are the settings with voltage on youre test system. Rind/cache voltage and speed?
I went for the 2699v3, I know is not the best when it comes to a day to day use for a pc because of the tdp being high and the high core count means less clock speed for gaming and all that but I still like it paired with a 1080ti, I use this computer as a day to day pc and also for network virtualization and server so I use my main ssd to boot into windows but also use another 12tb disk when I work on virtualization with esxi, this computer saved me from spending more on modern hardware or having 2 different computers, it's all in one
Had one of these for a while, which I ran at 4.40 GHz/ 1.30v. It was very hot and power hungry and definitely much less comfortable to run, IMO, than my current stock clocked 7950X, which is also very hot and power hungry. I replaced it with a Ryzen 7 3700X which offered a much better overall experience, despite being not much faster in many benchmarks (and slower in a few). It surprised me how the 3700X slashed the time it took to get to the main menu, in a large Fallout 4 mod list I had at the time, from around 50 seconds on the old Xeon, to 30 seconds. That said, it holds up brilliantly for a processor coming up on 10 years of age, and your stock clocked benchmarks will have the power and heat issues more than sorted whilst still performing decently in your benchmarks. I found that up to about 3.80 - 3.90 GHz, these were extremely easy to cool. Plus, the ability to run quad channel DDR4-3200, which I also did, by simply having a decent kit with an XMP profile for it is fantastic for the first consumer DDR4 processor line, much better than first and second gen Ryzen, which had terrible IMCs compared to Intel at the time. Now it is the other way around, with DDR5 being more solid and reliable on AMD.
these Xeons are crap anything below 2670 is not worth it at all. you can get the 2699 18 core varients for slightly more and they crush both the lower end Xeons and most mid range or low end modern chips
@@TruthDoesNotExist Most of those are even worse due to locked multipliers and lower clock speeds, resulting in poor single threaded performance compared to even cheap modern chips.
@@ryanocallaghan8833 I have a 32 core Xeon system that would say otherwise, my dads system had an 8 core xeon like the one in the video and when I upgraded it to the 18 core 2699 it was a huge difference and way more powerful. I don't overclokc as it's not worth it so locked or unlocked multipliers I don't care about. a modern 4 core or even 8 core system can't beat an old 18 core in productivity even at 2.8ghz the cores are not nearly as weak as people think they are
In my e5-2680 v4 i tend to get better performance and 0.1% lows when using only 4 cores with hyperthreading. Idk if the 35mb of l3 cache did something also the fact that it boost to 3.1ghz
Meanwhile like 2-3 years ago i got a Fatal1ty X99X Killer and a 6950x for ~$100 and i currently use as a plex server. I think i have a very small multiplier overclock and with quad channel memory. Not a powerhouse, but works good enough for a plex server.
I'm still using my ASUS RVE from 2014 with 5960x and don't feel the need to change. If somebody told me years ago that I will ever have a platform that I would use for 10 years I woudn't believe :D What I did over the time was to upgrade video card from 4x R9 290 to 1080ti and now 3080ti (I pull the trigger of this platform exactly because of that 4x crossfire back then) Also changed the 5960x CPU once with another 5960x I got from a friend because it's overclocks better. Few years ago I bought 8x 8GB BDie memory which works at 3200 14-14-14, the max that this CPU IMC supports and I have memory bandwidth of about 90GB/s, something that is impossible for even the latest mainstream i9 CPU with DDR5 :) Too bad they do not make decent overclocking platforms with at least 4 memory channels nowadays so there is nothing that I could buy for upgrade.
I had one of these in 2015 and let me tell ya, they made for really good heaters at stock because the damn ass MSI motherboard I had refuses to allow overclocking of it
If you haven't done so already, perhaps look at quad channel vs dual channel RAM considering even a decade later quad channel still isn't a thing on mainstream consumer hardware with it still being only single or dual channel for RAM.
mine xeon e5-2682 16core 32threads with rtx3060 dam this cpu not over clock. but no battleneck. nothing to say this xeon its beast. also good for editing 8k and 4k
AMD targeted Haswell EE, 5960X and 1660/80 v3 with 5800X3D LP LC and I have one. Considered 5960X before Vermeer launch and at R5K run end in June 2022 bought into 7 nm purposely to get off the process train for TSMC 7 transistor endurance and 10-year life it's probably forever. All the Haswell octa hexa EE and for E5 core category frequency workstations parts are similar, good for their time and thank you for the salvage coverage the channel thanks you. mb
I think its best too keep single cpu xeons in the past and the multi cpus for cheap servers and workstations with high core count. my personal favourite is the e5-2683v4 which can be bought for 19,90€ and can make for a pretty cheap 32core system.
24MM AIO, oh man what a small water cooler, 360 and 420MM AIOs can be had for super cheap these days, ive seen cheaper models around $60 here in the U.S, you might look into buying one.
The newest xeons that are currently cheap are Skylake. You're gonna get half the performance of the fastest thing out there, but you can get it for $25
>5:15 >DDR4 3200CL16 This is lucky and dangerous. Boards sent to much voltage to the memory controller to get/try this timings. Like +0,5 volts and more. I switched last your from x99 to AM5, because i7-6950x@4,3ghz was to slow for my new 7900xtx. I think 6900xt is the edge for 1440p for 8/10Core overclocked x99 CPU. With my 7900xtx I saw 60-70% GPU usage at 1440p with my i7-6950x in games. But it's crazy how good the x99 platform was. Back than 2014 you could buy a good entry board for 200€, 16GB DDR4 for 200€ and i7-5820k was under 350€ back then. Now I pay 300€ for an AM5 board and get 4 sata ports.
Why do you think that DDR4 3200mhz would give +0,5V on memory? Im pretty sure a normal 3200mhz cl16 kit does 1,35V in comparison to the normal 1,2V so +0,15V which should be totally fine
I have hands-on experience with 3 different Gigabyte X99 boards at 3 different price points and every board, to say the least, were extremely temperamental. Just based on my experience with these boards at their relevant point in time, I'd recommend literally any other brand over Gigabyte for X99.
I have a E5-2697v3 running at 3.6Ghz all core (90mv undervolt). I find it's not nearly as power hungry as you may think, especially if the CPU isn't at 100%, which I doubt it will be with 14c/28t. In games, It usually sits around 50~65w (BG3, RDR2 are my most played), even under heavier workloads I rarely saw anything above 85w, which isn't half bad. Can't complain, considering the price (all used of course): CPU: 2697v3 (6$) Motherboard: Huananzhi x99 8M (68$) RAM: 2x16GB Samsung ECC RAM (2133 MT/s) (16$) GPU: EVGA RTX 2080 XC Ultra 8GB (125$)
If I remember correctly Xeon E5-2699 v3 was a best buy - decent price, 18 cores so plenty of power and high single core boost to 3,6 GHz. Although to be honest I rather have first or second gen Ryzen for anything other then multithread workload. As for AliExpress cheap MB the one I had came with broken onboard audio, only 10/100 LAN, and dual instead of quad channel memory support. It might me just a bad luck or it might be that they are build a bit randomly from parts that available at the moment.
I have some issues with audio (only recognized if something is plugd in), 10/100/1000 LAN, Real quad channel 4 sticks of ECC 16GB 2133MHz, paired with 2670v3 on Machinist RS9 (DDR4) for MOBO+CPU+32GB cost me less then 100Euro on 11/11 clearance sell from "official" store
I think I would like xeon with proper quad channel support. I'm trying to hook buddies up with emulation PCs with batocera, and CPUs are kind of the most important part. I have a 12700k and a 14100 CPU. I don't over clock so stock ipc and stability are most important to me not draw calls. I will give AliExpress a good look for quad channel ecc registered ram support.
@@vergi7490 For gaming 2666v3 is the best from the ones you mentioned, it has highest turbo clock (3500Ghz) and 10 cores. If you use turbo hack to unlock all core turbo it will serve well for gaming. Others may have more cores but lower clock frequency.
You can get a z420 water cooler and use a i7 6850k with 4 channel ecc memory on an old z440 mobo (ecc won't be utilized but will still work). Cooler cost $45, cpu cost $40, mobo $35, and ram is $60 for 64gbs but all you need is 16gb for less than $20. About the cheapest gaming machine you can buy for the performance.
6:13 the devs really need to add an extra compiling screen on PC or something just so you can get into the game without stuttering into the stratosphere. I don’t play the game that often as it is you can’t just hop in and play until a match later
At what voltage did you achieve 4,3Ghz? I have the same chip and 4,4Ghz at 1,16V Volts is completely stable. It also run DDR4 3200mhz. A few words about these Haswell-E chips as I overclock them for quiet a while: Voltages up to 1,3V are completely save but you will degrade the chips lifespan significantly above 1,25V (theoretical limit is 1,5V but basically only for short benchmark runs) Also these chips REALLY don't like high temperatures. Nit that they don't run fine with stock clockspeeds at 92°C but your overclocks will be bad. Optimally you would want to keep it below 80°/70°C to get good overclocks. If you are above 80°C don't try to get higher overclocks over voltage. You will get diminishing returns. Lastly, thank you Iceberg Tech for these Videos, you are awesome :)
These chips if get a good one can easily Run 4.7ghz. 8/16 AND the MAGIC of this generations is the amount of UNCORE clock you can hit... they work stock around 3.3ghz i think and can do easily 4 or 4.2ghz... is HUGE the difference.
I really appreciate this review. And well... at $89 for a MB, CPU, and RAM still sounds like a pretty sweet deal looking at this data, even knowing its a dead end no upgrade platform
"This X99 Xeon beats a 12th Gen i3... but at what cost?"
UNLIMITED POWEEEEEEEEEEEER !!!
- Is it possible to learn that kind of power?
+ Not from 12th Gen i3
if you pushing enough power to get it to 4.8-5.0ghz it will trade blows with a 5600x3d but with like 300-400 watt tdp
🤣🤣🤣 ...to quote Sheev...
@@josephdias5859 You can overclock the 12100F to 5ghz with an Asrock b760m that cost $100. With that kind of single core performance the 12100f can beat the 5600x3D in some games, and pulls 60-80w while doing it. Mine is overclocked to 5.1-5.2ghz with 4800 ddr5 overclocked to 6800mhz, averages 150-180fps in Warzone 1440p. The motherboard ram and CPU costs less than $250. Can’t beat that price to performance with much these days.
it's the TDP. The cost is the TDP 😂
Finally upgraded from my ol trusty 5820k to a R7 7800X3D last year. Honestly it was still putting up a decent fight but it was time.
I went from i7-4700MQ to i7-12700K.
If the R7 7800X3D was launched as an APU with 12 cores, i would own it instead of the i7-12700K (AMD had nothing similar to it).
@@saricubra2867there are some rumors about amd adding 3dvcache to next gen consoles
I went from a AMD fx 6350 to a 7800x3d.
@@НААТ My old Haswell laptop i7 destroys that FX chip. Fun fact, it performs like an i7-3770 while using a third of the power.
@@saricubra2867 not overclocked you are. My cinebench score was way above the i7-3770.My cpu was running at 4.8ghz with 2.6 on the Northbridge using 2400 DDR3 ram. But I do admit that thing was power Hungry as fuck. Lasted me from 2016 and still kicking it tho suprisingly. Altho my Northbridge is starting to become unstable
This is the equivalent of Trunks buffing the hell up to try and beat Perfect Cell
Except it would be more like master roshi
@@sig3ldunc4nI Man I love the intersection of two things I love.
Yeah Vegeta told him to not overclock 😂
Well, all those references went completely over my head. All I heard was /whoosh ...
My laptop R9 “you can’t hit me”
I found a Asrock x99 extreme 4 at a local college surplus store that had been marked down to $20 USD. That's practically a steal at that point. Until such time I would acquire something like an 6900k or equivalent Xeon, I've got a E5-2667 V3 I got for $8 on eBay.
I love this platform
you will not have any reasonable performance benefit from upgrading, especially considering, that 2667 one of the highest stock clocks. Honestly 6850k vs 2666 felt the same
highway robbery of the best kind
2697 v3 seems to be great too. im almost buying one myself
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I'm using 2650v2 on China X79G motherboard and I'm so satisfied, even feel snapier than newer i5 8400
Bloody hell the videos are coming quick.
Ain't complaining about it though.
X99 is first generation of motherboards that supported NVMe, and you can even get them to support Resizable Bar, so it fair really well considering it's age, it's really one legendary generation
Edit: Ah fudge, that's for Z97 and 4th Gen Intel, not X99
First with ddr4 I believe too?
You can basically forget x79 for nvme support.
Its technically possible but for most motherboards it's patchy
@@twanheijkoop6753 I was able to follow a guide on winraid (now hosted by level1techs) pretty easily. They have a very compatible tiny UEFI module you can add to the BIOS. Or just use a Clover NVMe enabled boot drive, like a SATA Disk on Module or low profile USB thumb drive. Also Sandy and Ivy bridge support NVMe this way. Including X79.
i can rebar working on sandy bridge but you need a z87 the older boards dont work
The 4790k when overclocked is still a pretty good CPU honestly. I had no idea you could get them to accept resizable bar!! That’s awesome thanks for the info!!
Thanks to Miyconst, I was able to build a budget x99 system with the Machinist x99 PR8 and the xeon 2666v3. It has 10 cores/20 threads and turbos over 3ghz at stock. It pairs well with cards up to the 6600xt. I got the board and CPU for less than 40$ shipped to my country.
What card have you paired it with?
@@AJ-jq3hman rx580 (actual 2304sp, not 2048) I got for 60$
Just wish I had those good deals here but I quite gave up on building a X99 PC
Don't the DDR3 RAM bother you?
@yourbluewaffle how has the PR8 worked out for you with respect to DDR3 compatibility and the VRMs? Been thinking about picking one up with a 2666v3 to use all the DDR3 I have laying around. Any issues with the board?
@@chedds ddr3 is fine. It's the gpu that's gonna be the bottleneck anyways.
Haswell really was ahead of it’s time. My z97 has usb 3.1 ports and a m.2 slot that I recently put a 2tb ssd in. At the time it was seen as an incremental improvement over ivy bridge but these creature comforts plus avx2 support means that a simple swap of my 980ti to a 1080ti (equivalent, im running a 12gb Titan Xp) a little down the road still has the ancient pc pretty relevant.
just put a 2080 TI in my xeon system and I get great performance I could probably upgrade to a 4090 and not have a problem since I see my GPU at 100% and my dual cpu system only go up to like 7 percent utilization
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@@TruthDoesNotExist a 4090 would make that xeon cry.
@@ChunkyWaterisReal a 4090 is 5 times as powerful as a 2080 TI, 7 percent times 5 equals 35% so my CPU would still be fine. also I have 2 processors, not 1 (32 cores)
@@TruthDoesNotExist i mean if you're doing workloads with linear scaling across ALL cores then yeah.
This misses the appeal in the X99 Xeons.... their true value is in being able to get an 8/10/12/14/16/18 core CPU for dirt cheap, and sticking it in a dirt cheap AliExpress motherboard with dirt cheap quad channel ECC memory.
exactly, the 8 core xeons are lower end, I upgraded my dad from the 8 cores x99 xeon to a 18 core 2699 and it was night and day difference
You wont improve single core performance with more cores, which is what many applications still need to perform well.
@@max_uaminecraft1827 No - but you will get better price to performance. The point of buying used X99 chips is obviously not to get the best performance in the world, it's to get great performance for a fraction of the cost of a newer platform.
@@max_uaminecraft1827 Yes, but u can shift apps to diffrent cores.
I use 2670v3 and last 2 cores are discord, spotify..
@@max_uaminecraft1827 Most pro software offer use of multi core for years already, the ones that dont mostly dont needed it for their next itterations. Its basically just games that keep consumer sales pushing
The US government just dumped 127k cores worth of Haswell E onto the secondary market, so I'd expect them to be cheap and readily available for years to come. They just don't have the performance per watt to actually be worth buying if your electricity isn't basically free.
are you payng a thousand dollars a kilowatt hour? I have 2 of these plus 5 other computers running in my house 24/7 and it only accounts for less than 5% of my energy bill. moderrn intel chips can be even worse in effeciency than these. spending hundreds of extra dollars to pinch pennies off your electricity bill is a pretty dumb move when you can get these for 10 dollars
@@TruthDoesNotExist in some places in the world, especially Europe, it can feel that expensive
😮
@@flamingscar5263 I have super high energy costs. my bill is 500 a month here in florida when it used to be 200. almost none of my bill goes towards all the old "inefficient" computers I have. maybe 10 to 15 dollars a month in energy for computers and I have 5 systems running at all times
It costs practically nothing here in Québec too
I'm quite surprised by your take in this video, since it wasn't that long ago you were singing the praises of the i7-5960X which is essentially the same chip as the 1660v3.
I'm running a j-batch 1660v3 @ 4.3GHz in my daily workstation with 32GB DDR4-2400 on my old AsRock X99-Extreme4, coupled with a 6700XT, and this machine still continues to REALLY impress me. The 1660v3 was an upgrade from my venerable 5820K that I'd been running since 2015 at 4.4GHz (the Xeon was cheaper and easier to get ahold of than a 5960X at the time), and I still feel no need to upgrade away from X99 with the Xeon. I do more productivity than gaming, but even at 4K I'm still getting performance I'm perfectly happy with! I definitely made the right choice back in 2015 throwing the extra cash at X99 instead of Z97.
Only drawback of course is my power bill (my partner runs a 1680v4 workstation day-to-day lmfao) and the space heater quality of this machine :D
Sixteen months is a long time! Given how different things are in mid-2024 compared to Jan 2023, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to change my mind. Not to mention, apparently I didn't think power consumption was important enough in that first review to warrant buying a watt meter. I know better now!
I don't have to tell you how good your CPU is, but I think it's only fair to warn potential X99 buyers what they're getting themselves into in 2024.
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Approximately few months back I grabbed myself a Chinese motherboard with 8 RAM slots for $95. Surprisingly found 256GB (32×8) 2666mhz ECC registered as well for dirt cheap $130 ish. Paired it with a 1680v4 costing $85 (but man it came after like nearly 2 months). Paired these up with a decent 650W deepcool PSU and a decent airflow case. Everything got me fired up less than $500. I had a spare 3070 lying around so added that ($350 at that time from second hand market)
Before that I do have two other systems with an intel i9-9900k + RTX 2080ti (which costed me about $2500+ back in the day) and a somewhat newer Ryzen 7 5700x paired with an RX 6950xt which was build about a year ago.
I must say the xeon build puts those two new systems to shame when it comes to value. True it costs a bit more wattage but not that much. I'm really really surprised actually. Using 3 of them simultaneously but recently finding myself using the Xeon system more often hmmm
That was back in the day that the perfect-yield first-pick top-bin parts were always chosen for Xeons.
The top-tier top-rung top-price power-user enthusiast-gamer consumer i7-5960X was actually an E5-1680v3 which was downbinned because it couldn't run as fast. And the rest of the Haswells (then later the Haswell-E's) followed the same pattern on each rung.
The 5960X and X79 E5-1680 V2 have nearly identical performance (even with the 1680 V2 having slightly slower RAM). I have both in my collection.
i bought my X99 F8 combo with E5-2696(18 cores, 32 threads) v3 and 64gb ddr4 for less than a modern i3 cpu alone. when I test in cpuz my setup has a higher score than a i9 11th gen. let that sink in
What speed ddr4 did you use?
@@Sadahrah The V3's are locked at DDR4 2100, the V4's at DDR4 2400.
That's why I switched from X99 to Ryzen 5600 2 weeks ago.
Haswell/Broadwell is just too old to run high framerates in competitive games
My feeling when I consider anything over 90 fps a high framerate:
@@nesyboi9421 I couldn't really reach 144FPS+ to use backlight strobing effectively
(usually was around 120 but down to 70 in more demanding shooters)
Few non-comp games gained healthy 30% from the switch but most games gained 100% to even 300% higher framerate which blew me away
@@nesyboi9421 I consider anything over 60fps a high framerate lol. I'm happy with 60fps on my i9-10900X + GTX 1080, I only have a 60Hz monitor anyway. Though I don't play any competitive games
CRTs: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
@@Pasi123 Genuinely same about being happy with 60 fps, I just don't consider 60 fps a high framerate, I consider it a good framerate. The standard that should be met. 30-55 is playable framerate albeit undesirable, and below that is a low or unplayable framerate depending on how bad it is.
I built a complete x99 system for $160 that games exceptionally well. I think this video really misses the point of using Xeons from the Broadwell and Haswell generations. When engaging in a topic such as this a good amount of research needs to be done is you are not familiar with the subject. Knowing the tricks to doing this on the cheap is how it works. I bought my last Dell T5810 for $60 with the following included (and in some cases modified): in16GB single stick ram which was swapped out for 4 8gb sticks... got to have quad channel- net additional cost ~$20; used 1tb M.2 Nvme I paid $40 and a NVME to PCIE adapter for $6 as I recall..plugs right in runs great; 2 2tb HDD were included in the system; a 1620v3 was included in the system which I replaced with a 1660v3 (I have 2 1660v3s that clock faster than my 1680v3) for $15 that clocks easily to 4.4GHz- have done Cinebench at 4.6GHz but I have to use 1.35v+ which I really don't want to do for ~5% more performance); $20 10 pin to dual 8 pin PCIE adapter to power my 3080ti off of the extra CPU port on the power distribution board;Quadro k2200 I sold for ~$20 after my cost for shipping. For ~$150 I have a full system that will easily compete with if not outperform the systems in this video (and many new systems today) at a cost that was close to the CPU and motherboard of the other systems. At What Cost?
My e5 1680V3 is overclocked all core @ 4.8 ghz, it performs on par with my 10700k @ 5 ghz in most benchmarks.
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I'm not sure if I want to know which one burns more power doing this :D
but what cost?
Miyconst really is the X99 encyclopedia
I've bought 2 ali express "x99" boards and had one of them fail within a month. Not sure if I would recommend someone on a tight budget to take that risk
Years back the economics made more sense. Unless you live in a country where the economics are skewed, AM4 is a much better ultra budget platform now, even if it is dead.
That's why u pay with card, go to your bank and told them ask for "CHARGE BACK", that give u MC or Visa on your side.
Oh my God....that was terrible, sorry for your loss.... I think I won't try to buy a chinese X99 board...better the real X99 board right? Damn I was so tempted with the lower price of that chinese board...but the risk is to high I guess.
@@royrepie61 Ali express does also have a lot of relatively cheap b450 boards as well (and a good selection from well known brands). Unless you need the massive number of cores, a ryzen 5 3600 should outperform pretty much anything that fits in an x99 board in games anyways
@@DesFTW_ OK thanks for the tips 🙏
x99 2697 v3 x2 here. run two systems in single and dual. have been a great way to recycle items and reduce e-waste!
3 months ago, bought full server blade w i75960x water cooled + GTX 970 no ssd for $160 CA. went back after validating the whole thing and since the gpu was bad on the one i got em down to 100$ each. bough x 3. all of those GPU's worked!!! so happy x99 Gigabye G1 Gaming p5 UD mobo! then went back bough 4 more. doing a giveaway or at cost sale for upgrades on all 4 of those PCs. hmu if ur in central CA. Buyers market over here.
How much are you asking
Ти розумніший за автора цього ролику . )
@@munupangani7754 150$ for validated pc minus ssd
@@munupangani7754 100$
I had my Xeon W3690 OC'd to 4.6ghz for 5 years or so. Finally upgraded to a Ryzen 9 5950x. Yes, huge performance upgrade. But damn....that thing still keeps up mostly. Even had it with a Samsung 950 pro nvme drive to boot from. It's still in my living room for the kids to play with. Both have a 6950XT gpu. Unlocked Xeons are no joke. Back then, the Xeons where made from the core of the silicon slug. The I 7's where just outside of that. So these Xeons were really durable.
Any instructions to OC xeon?
After going from an X58 Xeon X5675 @ 4.8GHz to a Ryzen 5 3600X in 2019, and then to a 5800X in 2021, the performance upgrade has of course been nice, but what I noticed most was that my air conditioning was actually effective during summer again. That Xeon could peak power at ~320W, and compared with my 5800X that rarely draws more than 110W, I learned my lesson. What you save in initial cost for these chips, you end up paying for with suffering (and electricity).
Worrying about cpu power draw really become a concern when its hot where you live. I have a 5900x and I slightly undervolt/underclock and the temp went from 80c to 60c during busy part of gaming. It too probably only draw less than 110w most of the time. Only exception is blender/video rendering.
With the x99, you do have some additional gear ratios when tinkering with BCLK overclocking so things like DMI/PCIe run at their correct clock rates but permitting 125 Mhz or 166 Mhz base clocks reaching the processor socket. This is how you can hit much higher clocks on the E5 v3 or E5 v4 series chips with locked *maximum* multiplier. Most CPUs to be able to take a 66% overclock due to the base block improvement but the multiplier can be decreased to move things back into a sane range for stability. This is how you'd get a 4.5 Ghz clock on the E5-2630 v4 and its 10 cores or 4.4 Ghz on the E5-2690's 18 cores. You do need a good cooler for these types of overclocks and a good VRM to supply all the necessary power to the socket. Be prepared to double or even triple the amount of power compared to their default clocks.
Another thing that can improve cooling in general is sanding/polishing these processors. These chips are old and inexpensive enough (for me at least) that I wouldn't worry about voiding warranties to flatting the integrated heat spreader. Similarly I'd do the same to the heat sink/water block base so they'd match. Combine that with liquid metal and a good copper base on the heat sink/water block and you can radically drop temperatures or push the chip a bit more.
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I wish this were true but it doesn’t seem to be. I can’t get my machine stable with anything more than a 104 BCLK, maybe I need to increase CPU input power? Or drop multiplier? It seems it will be impossible to get 125mhz and if I did then I would need to drop the multiplier so much that I’ll be back to the same clocks of the multiplier being maxed out.
I’m curious of your process though. If you have advice I’ll try to implement it. Thank you
@@ChidiOable It is a ratio setting that you’re looking for. If you’re making adjustments with raw number like that, chances are that you’re altering the raw BCLK which indeed doesn’t go much beyond 100 MHz.
The other thing is that when you find the ratio adjustment, you’ll need to drop your CPU multiplier down as once the higher ratio has been applied it’ll other wise have a 25% overclock on it (CPU clock moves from 100 MHz -> 125 MHz for the multiplier while BCLK for PCIe remains at 100 MHz).
You can adjust both the ratio and the BCLK. That 104 MHz BCLK would means that the CPU is being feed 130 MHz before the multiplier.
Where that ratio lies depends on the motherboard.
@@powerpower-rg7bk Okay, I’ll try to see if I can get this to work. Do you suggest I adjust CPU straps as well or do I just adjust the BLCK ratio? My CPU is E5 - 2696 V3
Do you by any chance have a write up that has more info on how to do this?
Thank you.
Also doesn’t TDP limits come into play and even if I succeed with the ratio won’t the PL1 and 2 limits just keep down clocking the cpu?
@@powerpower-rg7bk Okay, I’ll try to see if I can get this to work. Do you suggest I adjust CPU straps as well or do I just adjust the BLCK ratio? My CPU is E5 - 2696 V3
Do you by any chance have a write up that has more info on how to do this?
Thank you.
Also doesn’t TDP limits come into play and even if I succeed with the ratio won’t the PL1 and 2 limits just keep down clocking the cpu?
im using dual xeon e5 2699 v3 unlocked and undervolt on cheap chinese mb. its stable at 3.3ghz for all 36 core 72 threads. disabling 2 core for each cpu can give me 3.5ghz all core. but at what cost? 2x145 Watt all the time for cpu only
Good for winter use.
X99 for life!
Still my go-to suggestion for cheap gaming or home server build.
Still looking for some of those rare 16xx V3 cpus!
Got my hands on a 1680v3 for a fairly cheap price not to long ago. Although the 1650v3 and 1660v3 were the most fun to overclock.
The most impressive thing for me is how low the CPU temperature is. For someone live in tropical regon like me, my cpu, while idle, can't even goes below 50 degree during summer. Anything below 70 Celcius during gaming is just COOL.
Get a z420 water cooler if you have a 2011 mobo. Best cpu cooler for Xeons of that time period and you'll never go above 60°C EVER.
You can’t go wrong with a Machinist MR9A, 2698v3 turbo unlocked and 4x8gb 2133mt/s ecc ram for ~$120. You’ll get just 2-3% less fps than the OC’ed 4.3Ghz 1660v3 thanks to the 40MB L3 cache and not need any special cooling past a $20 4 heat pipe.
I'm actually using Strix X99 with E5-2666v3 and RTX2070 , i also have platform with i7 9700K.
When i did timespy benchmark 2666v3 beats I7 9 gen easly (7837 vs 6504).
Currently i'm going to sell i7 and stay with E5 for few more years...
My E5 2666v3 with RTX2070 gets 8397 points in timespy benchmark without any O.C
In my experience these make more sense if you get your hands on an off lease workstation like a Dell Precision or Lenovo (Thinkstation?) and drop in a GPU and are good to go. Alot of companies dump palettes of the things.
Я вирішив , що це якийсь йолоп-продавець . Він не знайомий з моделями процессорів , але хоче продати своє лайно .)
0:31 - Vsauce is that you 😮?
I've recently been really impressed with intel 4th gen as of recently, with a development/gaming budget build I did. And that was with a 4590 i5 4 core 4 thread, keen to get a cheap 4770k or 4790 and see how that goes with the gpu I paired it with (gtx 1080 fe)
Він ніколи цього не порівняє , доки не здихається свого хламу . Звісно , що обидва твої процессори кращі за це лайно !
this is like a clapped out honda pulling up to a newer mustang and saying "hey my car can go just as fast as yours"
Xeon has been trendy for years and for a reason because they are really worth it for the price
I think your memory OC its unstable on the xeon, do you do a karhu o occt 8h ram test at least? if not the 0.1% would be affected a lot! and you overclock the cache?
"Repackaged in lies" made me chuckle a lot more than I care to admit.
I got a cheap x99 combo for 150 dollars 3 years ago and still rock solid.
Try disable hyper threading test too.
I’m not going to lie. I watch your videos for the music😊
In my opinion the point is: If you already own such a system -->money has been payed
This has inspired me to dig out that old ASUS X99-E-10G WS I stuck on a shelf years ago. That was an absolute beast of a board back in its day. And I just got given an old Proliant Gen9 with two E5-2687w V3 CPU's. One of those should be tasty in that board! That generation allowed up to 4 x16 PCI-E slots. Seems we have downgraded ever since with my current Z790 only supporting one.
My 4.4ghz 6850K is still putting up a worthy fight. I even did a BIOS mod on my board to unlock Resizable BAR for better performance with modern GPUs. But it is finally starting to show its age. I'm looking pretty closely at one of the 9000X3D's, so that i can build my first new PC in nearly a decade.
do you have a link or brand name of the ram you used on the x99 board
i have a xeon 2696 v4 system AND a i3 12100F system (ddr5 4800), both are gaming builds, they are comparable in gaming, BUT when encoding video, the xeon crushes it hands down.
You forgot to mention that E5-1660 V3 can only use 2133Mhz DDR4 Ram, So your RAM speed is affected.
Pretty sure it will default the CPU speed from 3200Mhz to 2133Mhz. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Most cheap X99 Chinese motherboard only goes to 2400MHz at most (There are some that can support higher Ram Speed).
If you have an actual x99 board you can run quad channel which even with 2133 is decent, but those boards can also handle higher speeds as well
@@DesFTW_ Planning to get 1 soon.
@@nuzhmizafidi2037 My Asus X99 deluxe, could run @3200(with 4 sticks, 32GB Total ) DDR 4 speeds with an Xeon e1660 v3 or 5280k, the first at 4500MHZ and 1.32v and the second @ 4300MHZ, also at 1.3v. Now is my son in law using it, but not overclocked, because of power. (ring bus @ 4000mhz, when overclocked).
The 4 channel memory will double the speed of the 2133mhz ram. As long as you install in the proper order in the 8 ram slots. You can use 4 slots and leave space between each dimm which will stay cooler as well.
@@nuzhmizafidi2037 I've got a 1660 v4 sitting in a dead Chinese fake x99 board (died after a month of server use). Might just grab another 2 sticks of ram and keep an eye out for a well priced board.
I'm about to retire my 6850K from daily driver use, replacing it with a 5600X. But for no reason beyond curiosity, I've purchased a Xeon E5-2699 v3 to pop into the X99 board. No gaming, no on-line excursions once it's up and running, but it should be fun to play with.
A nice extension to the test would be e5 2699 v3 with the TBU to see how it stacks up to the rest
I want to see a proper gaming review of the E7-8893 v4 . A quad core CPU with 60MB L3 cache (15mb per core is more than X3D from AMD)
What about testing the 2687w v2? it can go up to 4ghz on stock settings
The 16XX xeons don't make any sense from a budget standpoint. They go for way too much because of the ability to O.C. them clock. If you are willing to fiddle around with bios or you can find someone to make you a custom bios using one of the higher end cpu's, with the max turbo unlocked on all cores, gets you way more performance per dollar. Of course it also potentially gets you way more heat and way more power draw. It does limit you as far as not being able to use a v4 the turbo bios mod doesn't seem to effect them. I still use an x99 system that I've been running for years and the e5-2699 v3 is pretty banging.
I put a 1660v3 into a sub £70 Lenovo workstation. It actually does alright paired with an RX6600 and 32GB RAM in quad channel.
Huananzhi x99 TF with F8 DE28 bios runa de 1660v3 4.2 @ 1.15v set max wat use to 168w
It uses full cpu and not throttle.
Cpu 4.2gh 3600 mhz ringbus speed.
Both +125mv
Ram 2400 mhz max 2666 wil not boot.
What are the settings with voltage on youre test system.
Rind/cache voltage and speed?
I went for the 2699v3, I know is not the best when it comes to a day to day use for a pc because of the tdp being high and the high core count means less clock speed for gaming and all that but I still like it paired with a 1080ti, I use this computer as a day to day pc and also for network virtualization and server so I use my main ssd to boot into windows but also use another 12tb disk when I work on virtualization with esxi, this computer saved me from spending more on modern hardware or having 2 different computers, it's all in one
Surprisingly the X99 Xeon still managed to hold up well.
Theres a way to use XTU with this cpu and a X99 PR9?
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@@РоманСкибицький yea
Had one of these for a while, which I ran at 4.40 GHz/ 1.30v. It was very hot and power hungry and definitely much less comfortable to run, IMO, than my current stock clocked 7950X, which is also very hot and power hungry. I replaced it with a Ryzen 7 3700X which offered a much better overall experience, despite being not much faster in many benchmarks (and slower in a few). It surprised me how the 3700X slashed the time it took to get to the main menu, in a large Fallout 4 mod list I had at the time, from around 50 seconds on the old Xeon, to 30 seconds.
That said, it holds up brilliantly for a processor coming up on 10 years of age, and your stock clocked benchmarks will have the power and heat issues more than sorted whilst still performing decently in your benchmarks. I found that up to about 3.80 - 3.90 GHz, these were extremely easy to cool. Plus, the ability to run quad channel DDR4-3200, which I also did, by simply having a decent kit with an XMP profile for it is fantastic for the first consumer DDR4 processor line, much better than first and second gen Ryzen, which had terrible IMCs compared to Intel at the time. Now it is the other way around, with DDR5 being more solid and reliable on AMD.
these Xeons are crap anything below 2670 is not worth it at all. you can get the 2699 18 core varients for slightly more and they crush both the lower end Xeons and most mid range or low end modern chips
@@TruthDoesNotExist Most of those are even worse due to locked multipliers and lower clock speeds, resulting in poor single threaded performance compared to even cheap modern chips.
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I have a 32 core Xeon system that would say otherwise, my dads system had an 8 core xeon like the one in the video and when I upgraded it to the 18 core 2699 it was a huge difference and way more powerful. I don't overclokc as it's not worth it so locked or unlocked multipliers I don't care about. a modern 4 core or even 8 core system can't beat an old 18 core in productivity even at 2.8ghz the cores are not nearly as weak as people think they are
In my e5-2680 v4 i tend to get better performance and 0.1% lows when using only 4 cores with hyperthreading.
Idk if the 35mb of l3 cache did something also the fact that it boost to 3.1ghz
meamwhile my 2673v4 had no performance increase when disabling cores to boost higher idk why
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Meanwhile like 2-3 years ago i got a Fatal1ty X99X Killer and a 6950x for ~$100 and i currently use as a plex server. I think i have a very small multiplier overclock and with quad channel memory. Not a powerhouse, but works good enough for a plex server.
Be nice if the xeon 2699V4 had more videos on it
I love XEONs - cheap, massive, have many cores and draw power like a heater :D
My favourite is 22 cores Xeon v4 on chinese "Machinist" board
I'm still using my ASUS RVE from 2014 with 5960x and don't feel the need to change. If somebody told me years ago that I will ever have a platform that I would use for 10 years I woudn't believe :D What I did over the time was to upgrade video card from 4x R9 290 to 1080ti and now 3080ti (I pull the trigger of this platform exactly because of that 4x crossfire back then) Also changed the 5960x CPU once with another 5960x I got from a friend because it's overclocks better. Few years ago I bought 8x 8GB BDie memory which works at 3200 14-14-14, the max that this CPU IMC supports and I have memory bandwidth of about 90GB/s, something that is impossible for even the latest mainstream i9 CPU with DDR5 :)
Too bad they do not make decent overclocking platforms with at least 4 memory channels nowadays so there is nothing that I could buy for upgrade.
Upgraded my i6800k @ 4.2Ghz to a 7800X3D, The Finals and Helldivers 2 fps almost doubled with my 4080 Super at Ultlrawide 3440x1400 max detaills
On the test setup list the i3 was i5 for some reason.
You didn't know about the legendary i5-12100?
LGA2011-3
I just got an old server X9DRL-iF drom super micro with 2x e5 2680v2 along with 128gb ram at the cost of 100$
I got 4.6 out of my e5 -1660v3 and 4.7 out of my e5-1680v3 They're pretty capable chips.
I had one of these in 2015 and let me tell ya, they made for really good heaters at stock because the damn ass MSI motherboard I had refuses to allow overclocking of it
I'm chilling here with a bios modded Chinese board with a 2699V3 clocking 3.6 on all cores lol it's a beast
If you haven't done so already, perhaps look at quad channel vs dual channel RAM considering even a decade later quad channel still isn't a thing on mainstream consumer hardware with it still being only single or dual channel for RAM.
Iceberg Tech, pushing his smart meter into the red for science.
old xeons are my favourite topic (since three years at least...) I still have a x79 biuld in my garage...
mine xeon e5-2682 16core 32threads with rtx3060 dam this cpu not over clock. but no battleneck. nothing to say this xeon its beast. also good for editing 8k and 4k
What about 11th and 10th gen intel?
AMD targeted Haswell EE, 5960X and 1660/80 v3 with 5800X3D LP LC and I have one. Considered 5960X before Vermeer launch and at R5K run end in June 2022 bought into 7 nm purposely to get off the process train for TSMC 7 transistor endurance and 10-year life it's probably forever. All the Haswell octa hexa EE and for E5 core category frequency workstations parts are similar, good for their time and thank you for the salvage coverage the channel thanks you. mb
Could I use this Xeon a Minecraft server (I want to upgrade it)
I think its best too keep single cpu xeons in the past and the multi cpus for cheap servers and workstations with high core count. my personal favourite is the e5-2683v4 which can be bought for 19,90€ and can make for a pretty cheap 32core system.
uncore speed of the xeon?
Does cheap v3 Xeons are saving us in brazil
Im having trouble to get the proper HSF all i see is just the crap HSF i want to slap maybe an AIO what aio fits lga1200 ?
24MM AIO, oh man what a small water cooler, 360 and 420MM AIOs can be had for super cheap these days, ive seen cheaper models around $60 here in the U.S, you might look into buying one.
The newest xeons that are currently cheap are Skylake. You're gonna get half the performance of the fastest thing out there, but you can get it for $25
E5 2667 v3?
would love to see x299 mobo with i7 7920x for example, in my region this combo costs 200$ seems reasonable
>5:15
>DDR4 3200CL16
This is lucky and dangerous.
Boards sent to much voltage to the memory controller to get/try this timings. Like +0,5 volts and more.
I switched last your from x99 to AM5, because i7-6950x@4,3ghz was to slow for my new 7900xtx.
I think 6900xt is the edge for 1440p for 8/10Core overclocked x99 CPU.
With my 7900xtx I saw 60-70% GPU usage at 1440p with my i7-6950x in games.
But it's crazy how good the x99 platform was.
Back than 2014 you could buy a good entry board for 200€, 16GB DDR4 for 200€ and i7-5820k was under 350€ back then.
Now I pay 300€ for an AM5 board and get 4 sata ports.
Why do you think that DDR4 3200mhz would give +0,5V on memory? Im pretty sure a normal 3200mhz cl16 kit does 1,35V in comparison to the normal 1,2V so +0,15V which should be totally fine
@@ratlingzombie8705 I meant the system agent voltage of the CPU
@@ecchichanf didn't know that these voltages can automatically change. I will look into that, when im home.
@@ecchichanf it is still at stock voltage for me with DDR4 3200mhz cl16
I have hands-on experience with 3 different Gigabyte X99 boards at 3 different price points and every board, to say the least, were extremely temperamental. Just based on my experience with these boards at their relevant point in time, I'd recommend literally any other brand over Gigabyte for X99.
ASRock X99's are the best I've found so far.
You should try the e5 2680v4 stock.
I have a E5-2697v3 running at 3.6Ghz all core (90mv undervolt). I find it's not nearly as power hungry as you may think, especially if the CPU isn't at 100%, which I doubt it will be with 14c/28t.
In games, It usually sits around 50~65w (BG3, RDR2 are my most played), even under heavier workloads I rarely saw anything above 85w, which isn't half bad.
Can't complain, considering the price (all used of course):
CPU: 2697v3 (6$)
Motherboard: Huananzhi x99 8M (68$)
RAM: 2x16GB Samsung ECC RAM (2133 MT/s) (16$)
GPU: EVGA RTX 2080 XC Ultra 8GB (125$)
Where did you buy RAM?
@@ultrawidegaming9402 ebay, data centers sometimes get rid of excess ram, I got mine in mint condition in original packaging
@@ultrawidegaming9402 I also wanna know
If I remember correctly Xeon E5-2699 v3 was a best buy - decent price, 18 cores so plenty of power and high single core boost to 3,6 GHz. Although to be honest I rather have first or second gen Ryzen for anything other then multithread workload. As for AliExpress cheap MB the one I had came with broken onboard audio, only 10/100 LAN, and dual instead of quad channel memory support. It might me just a bad luck or it might be that they are build a bit randomly from parts that available at the moment.
I have some issues with audio (only recognized if something is plugd in), 10/100/1000 LAN, Real quad channel 4 sticks of ECC 16GB 2133MHz, paired with 2670v3 on Machinist RS9 (DDR4) for MOBO+CPU+32GB cost me less then 100Euro on 11/11 clearance sell from "official" store
I have 5930k with a 2070 super and it is perfect match. It gets basically equivalent scores with 9600k overclocked to 4.9
I have to say, I like your benchmark music theme.
LGA2011-3 No musik
I think I would like xeon with proper quad channel support. I'm trying to hook buddies up with emulation PCs with batocera, and CPUs are kind of the most important part. I have a 12700k and a 14100 CPU. I don't over clock so stock ipc and stability are most important to me not draw calls. I will give AliExpress a good look for quad channel ecc registered ram support.
Off topic questions please: which Xeon overall the best?, I'm so confused because there are many Xeon processors
2690v4 in my opinion has the best performance/price ratio for gaming and productivity. Currently about 40 euros on aliexpress
same
idk which one to pick between
e5 2666 v3
e5 2670 v3
e5 2673 v3
e5 2683 v3
these are cheap cpu that available in my country for 10$
@@vergi7490 For gaming 2666v3 is the best from the ones you mentioned, it has highest turbo clock (3500Ghz) and 10 cores. If you use turbo hack to unlock all core turbo it will serve well for gaming. Others may have more cores but lower clock frequency.
@@vergi7490 2666v3, best for gaming from the ones you mentioned
How big are these motherboards ? I'm guessing like EATX cause they're xeons
You can get a z420 water cooler and use a i7 6850k with 4 channel ecc memory on an old z440 mobo (ecc won't be utilized but will still work). Cooler cost $45, cpu cost $40, mobo $35, and ram is $60 for 64gbs but all you need is 16gb for less than $20. About the cheapest gaming machine you can buy for the performance.
I have an i7 8700k. What would be the best GPU to pair with it?
Loved the VSouce ref ❤
6:13 the devs really need to add an extra compiling screen on PC or something just so you can get into the game without stuttering into the stratosphere. I don’t play the game that often as it is you can’t just hop in and play until a match later
At what voltage did you achieve 4,3Ghz?
I have the same chip and 4,4Ghz at 1,16V Volts is completely stable. It also run DDR4 3200mhz.
A few words about these Haswell-E chips as I overclock them for quiet a while:
Voltages up to 1,3V are completely save but you will degrade the chips lifespan significantly above 1,25V (theoretical limit is 1,5V but basically only for short benchmark runs)
Also these chips REALLY don't like high temperatures. Nit that they don't run fine with stock clockspeeds at 92°C but your overclocks will be bad.
Optimally you would want to keep it below 80°/70°C to get good overclocks. If you are above 80°C don't try to get higher overclocks over voltage. You will get diminishing returns.
Lastly, thank you Iceberg Tech for these Videos, you are awesome :)
1,5 V Але під рідким азотом .)))
These chips if get a good one can easily Run 4.7ghz. 8/16 AND the MAGIC of this generations is the amount of UNCORE clock you can hit... they work stock around 3.3ghz i think and can do easily 4 or 4.2ghz... is HUGE the difference.
U can pull 3.3 on all cores on E5-v3.... On cheap china board
I really appreciate this review. And well... at $89 for a MB, CPU, and RAM still sounds like a pretty sweet deal looking at this data, even knowing its a dead end no upgrade platform
8:59 why using 4000mhz ddr4 in a r5 4500
the max should be 3733mhz