I bet City will end up receiving a 30 point head start for the next 4 seasons and given 38 home game fixtures next season as an apology for inconveniencing them.
As much as I would like to see them instantly get relegated, we all know that they've got enough money to pay their way out of this mess, it's so predictable.
@@lol-bg4whtheir own lawyers even said it will never leave the courts so nothing will happen, they pay so much for lawyers that it will probably never be resolved and will forever be ongoing
For the record, City weren’t exonerated by the court of arbitration the charges were time barred so City got off. The FA have no such time limit for charges.
Yes, thought they would go more into this but they just skipped over it. Annoys me when media use the word exonerated as City clearly weren’t, and yet they have managed to set the narrative on this issue simply by claiming they were (and thus playing the victim). Also, one of the reasons the time limit to prosecute this passed is because City stalled the investigation as long as they possibly could, and refused to cooperate at all turns - something they were found guilty of. Although of course they got off with a fine they could easily afford. Great job, CAS
For the record, the Court judged there was no evidence to support sponsorship fraud. What was time barred was the years where UEFA agreed a settlement agreement rather than investigation. - Court of Sport Arbitration 2020/A/6785 Manchester City FC v UEFA, Para 255 of their judgment: 'UEFA's theory would also mean that not only MCFC lied to The FA and UEFA, but also that accountancy firms such as BDO, Deloitte, Ernst & Young and AlixPartners that all examined accounts of one or more entities were misled. The Panel finds that such allegations are also not warranted based on the evidence presented.'
I can understand why a lot of fans think money trumps fairness etc so City will get off lightly if found culpable but the Premier League's brand partly relies on competitiveness and, most importantly, it's made up of 20 clubs including Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal who have their own interests in this matter. To put it mildly. Could be serious for City.
thats a good point, alot of the teams that make the league (the ones you just mentioned) also have money and have a vested interest in seeing them punished
Take the titles off them, they've been bang at it for season after season. They were only let off the UEFA charges because of the time limit had expired, they were guilty & everyone knows they'd been cooking the books.
Fines aren't enough of a punishment. You said you doubt it'll work off a 10 points per charge reduction but to be honest, that is exactly what should happen. If guilty of financial doping, or to make it clearer, CHEATING, you've then got to think of all the teams that missed out of titles, trophies and Champions League places over the past decade when this has been going on. Fining City means nothing because their owners have unlimited money. Relegating them to the Championship is a minor inconvenience, they'll be back up in a year. Is that really a fitting punishment considering the number of charges? They should be relegated to the very bottom tier of English football if found guilty and have every single one of their trophies and titles stripped from the records.
I also just realized something. Liverpool's historic 97-point season had only 1 loss - on the road to Man City (and their home fixture was a draw)! Not only did they get cheated out of a title, but an undefeated season and possibly the greatest PL season of all time (there's only been one undefeated season, and only one 100 point season - also by a cheating Man City. With no Man City cheating, Liverpool are *definitely* undefeated, and *very likely* reach triple figures that season - a season in which they also won the Champions League)! Whatever the final verdict, I'm calling it now. That '18-'19 Liverpool team is the greatest English team of all time! It took *literal cheating* to deny them a 100-point undefeated season in a year they won the Champions League!
I would relegate Chelsea and City (if found guilty) and subject them to a transfer ban for six transfer windows. It would be up to the Football League as to whether or not they will be allowed into the Championship or have to enter the league structure in it's lowest league like Rangers had to do. A fine for either club would be meaningless.
Also, remove their titles. You don't have to give them to the second placed teams (just yet). Just remove them at first! Make a statement about how you win nothing if you cheat! That needs to happen *first and foremost!* Only *then* should we decide what happens to the title during those seasons. That being said, if there is a clear winner in a season where Man City cheated (like Man United in 2012 with 89 points and 19 points ahead of 3rd placed Arsenal, or Liverpool in 2019 with 97 points and 25 points ahead of 3rd placed Chelsea), then yes, recognize those fantastic seasons with a title. And yes, I actually *do* believe they should find a fair way to retroactively award titles in seasons Man City cheated in (i.e., all of Man City's matches are now officially forfeits, and the team at the top of the table after it's reworked gets the title - plus mandatory reparations to those teams, as well as any teams cheated out of top 4, Europa League, or non-relegation spots). If for nothing else, because if you don't give the title to anyone, you're sending a message that you could *lose* something if you *don't* cheat! That could incentivize *future* cheating (i.e., teams will almost certainly be thinking, "if we don't cheat now, we don't get this title at all, even if the team beating us *is* found to be cheating")! You get the point. Either way, the direct reward of the cheating needs to be wiped away, or it'll incentivize it further! 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬 But yes, in addition, your solution is the best one I've seen. The only thing I'd want to add (besides removing their accolades) is banning the owners from ever again owning any team in English football!
@@mazdakmina9493 there's some level of precedent with how it affects other clubs; the transfers of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to West Ham, and the impact on Sheffield United. West Ham broke PL rules on third party player ownership, and ended up paying Sheffield United £30m. Tevez scored on the final day to keep West Ham up, Sheffield United got relegated. below is a quote from the BBC article on the Tevez-Mascherano deal: "The timing of the decision annoyed me," says Paul Jewell, Wigan's boss at the time. "They came to Wigan the next day, and they were bouncing; they were on a run and beat us 3-0. It should have been dealt with straight away, when it was first flagged up. "I had someone from the Premier League in my office, and I said: 'If that had been Wigan or Watford who broke the rules, we'd have been getting a points deduction - the reason West Ham aren't is because they are a big club.' His words were: 'I agree with you, but I'll never say that publicly.' I think they were hoping West Ham were going to go down." basically the Prem has a history of ballsing these things up, not dealing with them until its too late, and having to cobble together compensation from the offending club after the fact. The £30m was an estimate of Sheffield United's lost revenue from another PL season.
Man Ctiy were not 'exonerated' by CAS. The charges UEFA brought were deemed to be out of time (given UEFA's own rules about bringing charges within a set time). So CAS did not rule on those - they threw them out effectively. They DID rule that City did not comply with UEFA's investigation so fined them heavily for that.
@@mana3735The Cas documemt clearly states that only a few charges were time barred and were dismissed . The rest City were exonerated but it doesnt fot the rivals narrative
Its 115 charges to begin with, there is still the post 2018 charges (Abu Dhabi stopped complying at that point). Having an oil state purchase trophies is not sport. Sport is about competition, and when you bury the competition via owner wealth and cheating the sport ceases to be credible.
Pep made it clear he didn’t want to cheat the system that’s why there’s no post 2018 charges same as baradda did that’s why he jumped ship and I’d hate to see pep follow Klopp out the exit door
@@sknmttnIn the Auto windscreen Competition. Not a league Match as I've stated. In which you and other Raggies Conveniently never Mention the Competition when bringing that match and the attendance up!!!
I'm not seeing anyone refer to Glasgow Rangers. They were done for financial irregularities over secret payments to players over years, too. They were effectively dissolved and reformed in the 4th tier. Is that not a precedent?
No and this shows why FFP is such a farce (both EPL and UEFA), Rangers went bankrupt through mismanagement and owing the Tax office millions but the teams that are continually targeted by these charges (City, PSG, Chelsea etc.) aren't in any financial danger. If FFP were really about protecting clubs from financial mismanagement perhaps a team that's billions in debt, have mortgaged their future TV rights for a decade and still regularly can't afford to register free transfers every summer would be facing some kind of charges, but clearly not. On the other hand if FFP is about levelling the field then we need to limit EPL transfer spending and wages to whatever Luton say they can afford, but again doesn't seem likely. I'm a City fan so quite biased but if we have broken rules we should be punished accordingly, the Everton case is a ridiculous punishment, again how does a relatively small overspend on a Stadium project produce a point deduction that threatens a club's EPL status,? Does the EPL believe that "helps" the club's future? In terms of the City charges it seems odd it's taken this long after the 4 year (alleged) investigation, you'd think they'd have been ready to go, I'm sure that the House of Commons debating whether football needed external regulation and a massive set of seemingly not fully prepared charges on a club previously targeted by UEFA are entirely coincidental.
A lot of people thought Benjamen Mendy was as 'guilty as hell', but look what happened there! How many people thought that guy who was wrongly jailed in Manchester for a rape for 17 f'kin years, was as 'guilty as hell' .... but they would have all been wrong!
I think, despite the fact that it could disrupt future leagues, you worry about that at the time. If they don’t make a huge example of city with this then it would only continue and get worse
The problem for city if they do get relegated is that the efl are not obligated to accept City they can just straight up refuse to allow city into any of their league which I think they will do as if they were to allow city it would just cause more problems for the efl
In the words of Brian Clough, Chelsea and City should 'get all there trophies, all there medals and all there pots and pans and chuck in the nearest fucking dustbin, because they never won any of them fairly'
City getting off on a time limit technicality from those UEFA charges is essentially like being acquitted. They didn’t prove themselves innocent of those charges and only got off on a technicality.
@@yatesy117 That penalty was not for breaching FPP but for being "pain in the butt". Basically City is too lawyered up and before they do anything FA and UEFA ask them it will go trough countless appeals of City's lawyers. Probably City could take FA and UFA to court and win arguing that they should have the ability to appeal any request etc. but probably it is cheaper to eat the fines.
I think Man City will have their charges dropped completely, however Chelsea we face more charges for Boehly, and be given 15 points + a fine + potentially give Boehly a ban from owning PL Clubs, however nothing touched with Abramovich or their trophies No relegation will take place directly, however with the way Chelsea are looking, they could come close in the year of the deduction
If the FA were brave enough, then the punishment shouldn't be some short-term consequences. Examples need to be made to warn those who dare to inflate the market, and cause imbalance in the world.
If 10 points is the "plea deal" for 1 charge of going over by about £7m a year... What's going to be the charge for wasting time with pleading innocent with even 10 out of the 115 charges? It needs to be proportionate to Everton's penalty, if it's 10x charges of similar advantage given then it's 100 points. It sounds like they haven't gone on the rule they broke but the advantage it gave and I don't think Evertons advantage was anywhere near what man city got from breaking the rules.
A truly massive fine to be split between all 91 other clubs would be good say £445 million. £5 million per club would be nice. Except Chelsea. Their share should be used to boost grassroot facilities. On top of an enforced relegation and stripping of titles.
I think what should have happened fairly is City should have been instantly banned from playing meaning every game is a bye and 3 points automatically given to the other team until City go to court and fight it out, because in the meantime they go on winning the PL another 2 times & countless cups robbing other teams of the financial win fall they would get plus the glory of wining. It would be amazing how quickly the whole thing would get sorted if it was done this way. IF city are found guilty then they should have to pay every team that came 2nd to them over the years the money they would have got for wining, that is only fair, plus all the players that would have gotten win bonus or new sponsorship deals.
Think there’s is a very real possibility they don’t accept the punishments, break from the league, take Newcastle & Chelsea with them, PSG, Marsielle, Real, Barce, Ac, Inter have plus the 4 Saudi clubs. Give the others an ultimatum they can’t ignore. Sure Liverpool and Arsenal can stay in the PL but what is it when the Super League has all the best players? It’s on a knife edge
I get what you're saying but if England's 3 biggest clubs, Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal stayed in the PL the Super League would be a joke with little credibility. Clubs that left would be isolated, and their fans would only watch them play at home as continous European games would be too expensive. Plus atm a top side plays 50+ games, no Super League could do that.
I honestly don't think they should be deducted points or relegated. They should be fined an astronomical sum and the club should be turned to public ownership or broken up entirely.
city where not exhonerated by cas, they where let off on a stupid technicality. how about letting someone who has researched this topic do this video? my god the levels of ignorance this poor kid displays
I wonder what Pep is going to do. Because he's regarded as the best manager in the world, at managing big clubs. But you can only be labelled the best if you manage and succeed at all levels, surely. He never goes to mediocre or poor clubs. Because he knows he'll be found out.
oh piss off “getting found out” what a dumb reason. Maybe pep chooses big clubs because hes a big club manager not someone scathing for a relegation battle
@@gr3saeyendbasically what the guy you replied too is trying to say is, is that pep has had it lucky and his true managerial skills will be put the to the test at a lower club and can make them successful. He had a great barca side, took over the treble winning bayern side, and a blank cheque at city. He's no SAF or Bill Shankly that's for sure.
This is why Pep is widely considered a fraud. If he was that good, he would win the league with a very weak team like Burnley, but the fraud Pep knew he'd be exposed so he doesn't dare
@@craigmullen9046 was that when he won a European trophy and broke up the Old Firm's dominance with Aberdeen? I'm not even a United fan but Ferguson came in as a highly-regarded coach, especially at creating winning teams with limited resources.
Loss of all honors won during period of rule braking, relegation, owners forced to sell up. Everton got away with a lite punishment, they could've been relegated .
So what's happening with them? If Everton already got 10 points deducted, WTfuck hasn't Man City been affected already. Time for them to pay and get relegated or lose a lot of points for the next few years.
So ultimately City are saying to the panel, if we have done something wrong it's on you to find the paper trail that can be used as evidence. City however, will have covered their tracks to make this very difficult to do. If City are ultimately found to be guilty and then submit an appeal against any sanctions imposed, City will be responsible for the collapse of the football league. The PL and EFL in essence are damned if they do and damned if they don't and this is all going to play into Citys hands. I expect that there will be a big points deduction but one that allows City to have a chance of remaining in the PL and also fines and possible transfer embargos.
considering what the FA, EFL and Premier League have done to other clubs (ask a Luton fan what they think of the FA and the EFL), anything less than multiple relegations would be getting off lightly.
Only way to truly punish them that has a legitimate effect would be European competition ban and transfer ban for 4-6 years. Relegating them does nothing they will obliterate every team and be back in 1 year.
@@Hadar1991 really think james mcatee and liam delap are good enough to walk the championship against half-decent norwich, swansea, blackburn etc. teams?
@@defeatstatistics7413 How many people heard of Ben Mee, Jandon Sancho, Kalechi Iheanacho, Kieran Trippier, Brahim Diaz, Phil Foden, Lukas Nmecha, Eric Garcia, Felix Nmecha, Cole Palmer, Romeo Lavia, Oscar Bobb etc. etc. etc. before they left Manchester City Academy? Just this season alone Manchester City sold 90 million pounds worth of City Academy Players.
@@Hadar1991 excluding Foden, those players have 105 league appearances for City. Exclude Iheanacho and it's 59. My guy, I could do similar lists with Southampton or Palace's academy. I just don't think a team built on guys like Callum Doyle and Micah Hamilton is gonna walk the Championship. They may be competitive but to act like that's way below their level is disingenuous. Most players don't end up as Foden or Diaz, they end up as Sam Edozie or James Trafford; solid, unspectacular players, and there's a million of those in the Championship. They ain't bad, but Sam Edozie isn't streets ahead of Todd Cantwell, they're pretty comparable. btw: Mee and Trippier both left City waaay the fuck over a decade ago, long before the vast majority of academy investment. If we're going back that far, might as well start talking about Micah Richards and Shaun Wright-Phillips. City's academy has been a mess forever, they've been losing prospects forever because of the 'win now' mentality. Trippier and Mee needed to actually play for Burnley to develop. Same with Sancho, Diaz, Lavia, all those guys; they ain't gonna develop if they don't play. Foden got lucky that it was him that Pep fell in love with, and not say, Jayden Braaf.
With the way these things work, if they are relegated, it'd be once the appeal has taken place and in the subsequent season, they wouldn't yoyo about. But also with the way these things work, Man City will bribe their way through it 😂
FFP is supposed to make it possible for Leicesters to compete. Otherwise we’d have state owned oil clubs winning the league every year. Oh wait we do lol. Joke if city aren’t relegated to non league, anything else would be light
Hopefull they get done for it, and get done hard, unlike UEFA, the EPL doesnt have a Statute of Limitation and will investigate anything, no matter how historical... Everton broke the rules, they should be punished, dont think anyone disputes that, but the Premier League need show some consistency and punish Man City and Chelsea.
If City is found guilty, and I don't trust they will be even if they did break the FFP rules, I doubt they will be severely punished. They are too big a club with too much money. It won't be fair, especially after what Everton got, but that's how it is.
its more like buying a £300k car for £100k, telling everyone you got a great deal when you actually just paid the rest in backhanders. which is, uh, fraud.
Reading the desperate comments form very bitter, jealous rival supporters warms my blue Mancunian heart :@)))) The fact that you're HOPING and WISHING that another club has cheated or done ...anything wrong...just to ease the pain, is shameful. City have really hurt some people with the brilliant football. Your own clubs aren't matching so you have to blame something.
wont be a fine. even if a few charges stick, remember Evertons punishment has set the expectations if case is successful.If Everton's 10 point sticks for 1 charge, Man City's...well they might as well be sent down to Conference league. They really should have set a time limit (i have 0 idea about legal stuff) on how long Man C had to throw a defence together (cynical part of me says loopholes as they only won at Cas based on a technicality right?)
FFP/PSR rules didn't exist when Abramovich bought Chelsea. They actually didn't exist when Abu Dhabi group bought City, even, they were brought in for the 2013/14 season. Should be noted that nowhere near all the charges are FFP/PSR based, there's stuff about Pep's contract (allegedly signed it a year before he left Bayern, hey look in that year City bought De Bruyne, Gundogan and Sane all from the Bundesliga where he was managing) and payments to Roberto Mancini that were always illegal, FFP or not. this kind of financial doping was something that people noticed late though, City and Chelsea were nothing new at that point, just bigger. Blackburn's Premier League title was fuelled by Jack Walker's millions, smashing transfer records for Shearer and Sutton. It was really post-PSG, when clubs like Anzhi Makhachkala and Malaga started spending a shitload of money that the powers that be started cracking down on it. As per, the big boys get away with it, the small frys doing the same get punished.
I seriously doubt any effective actions will be taken over City's charges. If they did leave the league, then City will simply make a move for the Super League. I would say the same for any top 6 team in the league as they are untouchable with the specter of the Super League hanging over it like the Sword of Damocles.
I think you have miscalculated the amount of paperwork City would have to produce, it is certainly not 115 times more than Everton produced. Everton supplied 3 years of paperwork. What would City' need to produce? 5 times as much documentation maybe, That would equate to 15yrs worth give or take. The EPL have dropped the biggest gonad in football history. They'll be destroyed if compo becomes the norm.
city haven’t been handing over their books or not all that is requested … they keep fighting against the system for legitimate standard accounting examination
All clubs will be the same, there is no way all these clubs can be spending millions upon millions every season and only charge fans and such peanuts at the gate to watch these entertainerswho are on millions of pounds also in wages every week, it does not add up. Someone is doing some good book keeping and brown envelopes. it is how this corrupt world works. Money talks, and it speaks many languages. Where's my money is the loudest advocate.
@theskankingpigeon965 Debatable and depends on the club. Arsenal just a few years ago still had the majority of their then ~£400m revenue coming from match days. They have ~45,000 season tickets at north of £1k each so that's ~£50m/season before even considering the 15k more expensive tickets or club level or membership fees (£30/year) or all the money those people spend on pies, beer & merch on a match day. It's pretty close for now.
@@kunimitsune177 varies by club. Palace release their finances annually; £180m turnover, of which £141m was from broadcast revenue in 22/23. because Selhurst Park doesn't have the level of corporate ties that the Emirates does (naming rights, boxes etc), and because Selhurst Park holds less than half of what the Emirates does. Palace are heavily reliant on TV revenue, and honestly every club outside of European competition is. yeah, Crystal Palace get 78% of their annual revenue from TV money. Ain't that fucking terrifying.
On the consequences re: restructuring, I imagine EFL would simply refuse to admit them for a year in case the appeal is won. Then any burden would be purely on EPL, perhaps resulting in a 21 team season.
You are the liar here. Theybwere found not guilty with a few of the charges time barred . Those charges were timebarred before iefa brought them so thats negligence on uefas part. Read tue fcuking CAS document before you speak rubbish.
The EPL receive sooo much ££££ from City, they would be shooting themselves in the foot to bin them down leagues. Never going to happen, unfortunately.
I would rather bet on city taking the pl to court & punish them for their crimes & receive some millions for their inconvenience. With the amount of oil 💰 of Saudis, the FA won't even touch them & even the Pl & UK (who's current economic condition is not good) can't afford to lose all that oil💰. So unfortunately, city & Newcastle ain't going anywhere.. 🙄
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He literally worked for the club and is now making sensational videos for 442 on what COULD happen. He was flown around the world with the club doing social media and now were here.
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I bet City will end up receiving a 30 point head start for the next 4 seasons and given 38 home game fixtures next season as an apology for inconveniencing them.
@@ImaybeNormal oh yes, wecannot forget that punishment should apply to other teams for allowing Man City to suffer so badly during this process
I hope they strip them of their trophys
@@millerchassis6119they're plastic trophies so they don't count already, everyone knows this
@@redboyjan they don't count ? The tears are unbelievable 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mebarkiimad4575 no tears. Just don't support clubs owner by facist states
As much as I would like to see them instantly get relegated, we all know that they've got enough money to pay their way out of this mess, it's so predictable.
I have optimism they will get hit hard, there is no way at least 1 of those 115 charges don’t get hit
@@lol-bg4whhas there been a list of those 115 charges?
@@Thebigaye799 yup
and even if they are relegated, who cares, theyll just be up again the next season
@@lol-bg4whtheir own lawyers even said it will never leave the courts so nothing will happen, they pay so much for lawyers that it will probably never be resolved and will forever be ongoing
For the record, City weren’t exonerated by the court of arbitration the charges were time barred so City got off. The FA have no such time limit for charges.
Yes, thought they would go more into this but they just skipped over it. Annoys me when media use the word exonerated as City clearly weren’t, and yet they have managed to set the narrative on this issue simply by claiming they were (and thus playing the victim). Also, one of the reasons the time limit to prosecute this passed is because City stalled the investigation as long as they possibly could, and refused to cooperate at all turns - something they were found guilty of. Although of course they got off with a fine they could easily afford. Great job, CAS
Only SOME of the evidence EUFA provided was time-barred. The rest wasn't...and City still proved it was bs.
You are chatting shit. I can bet you did not read the document from CAS based on your ignorant response.
For the record, the Court judged there was no evidence to support sponsorship fraud. What was time barred was the years where UEFA agreed a settlement agreement rather than investigation. - Court of Sport Arbitration 2020/A/6785 Manchester City FC v UEFA, Para 255 of their judgment: 'UEFA's theory would also mean that not only MCFC lied to The FA and UEFA, but also that accountancy firms such as BDO, Deloitte, Ernst & Young and AlixPartners that all examined accounts of one or more entities were misled. The Panel finds that such allegations are also not warranted based on the evidence presented.'
I can understand why a lot of fans think money trumps fairness etc so City will get off lightly if found culpable but the Premier League's brand partly relies on competitiveness and, most importantly, it's made up of 20 clubs including Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal who have their own interests in this matter. To put it mildly.
Could be serious for City.
thats a good point, alot of the teams that make the league (the ones you just mentioned) also have money and have a vested interest in seeing them punished
The PL are terrified of Man City.
Take the titles off them, they've been bang at it for season after season. They were only let off the UEFA charges because of the time limit had expired, they were guilty & everyone knows they'd been cooking the books.
Everyone knows ! Maybe that's just u 😂😂
You do realize those titles would just be vacated right? They won't be handed to the 2nd place team. See the Juventus Calciopoli
@@mebarkiimad4575 If it's just me why are you watching a video about Man City being kicked out of the Premier League? U R A W⚓
@@racheedwilson7927 Yes that's why it's not mentioned in my comment. If City cheated & won the PL title then Man City need to be removed as winners.
@@johnmichaelson9173 they won because they play good but it's fine I understand the hate
Fines aren't enough of a punishment. You said you doubt it'll work off a 10 points per charge reduction but to be honest, that is exactly what should happen. If guilty of financial doping, or to make it clearer, CHEATING, you've then got to think of all the teams that missed out of titles, trophies and Champions League places over the past decade when this has been going on. Fining City means nothing because their owners have unlimited money. Relegating them to the Championship is a minor inconvenience, they'll be back up in a year. Is that really a fitting punishment considering the number of charges? They should be relegated to the very bottom tier of English football if found guilty and have every single one of their trophies and titles stripped from the records.
I also just realized something. Liverpool's historic 97-point season had only 1 loss - on the road to Man City (and their home fixture was a draw)! Not only did they get cheated out of a title, but an undefeated season and possibly the greatest PL season of all time (there's only been one undefeated season, and only one 100 point season - also by a cheating Man City. With no Man City cheating, Liverpool are *definitely* undefeated, and *very likely* reach triple figures that season - a season in which they also won the Champions League)!
Whatever the final verdict, I'm calling it now. That '18-'19 Liverpool team is the greatest English team of all time! It took *literal cheating* to deny them a 100-point undefeated season in a year they won the Champions League!
Arsenal fans should stop praying for city's downfall just because their club hasn't won the epl title for two decades.
I would relegate Chelsea and City (if found guilty) and subject them to a transfer ban for six transfer windows. It would be up to the Football League as to whether or not they will be allowed into the Championship or have to enter the league structure in it's lowest league like Rangers had to do. A fine for either club would be meaningless.
Thank God no one cares about what you would do
Also, remove their titles.
You don't have to give them to the second placed teams (just yet). Just remove them at first! Make a statement about how you win nothing if you cheat! That needs to happen *first and foremost!*
Only *then* should we decide what happens to the title during those seasons.
That being said, if there is a clear winner in a season where Man City cheated (like Man United in 2012 with 89 points and 19 points ahead of 3rd placed Arsenal, or Liverpool in 2019 with 97 points and 25 points ahead of 3rd placed Chelsea), then yes, recognize those fantastic seasons with a title. And yes, I actually *do* believe they should find a fair way to retroactively award titles in seasons Man City cheated in (i.e., all of Man City's matches are now officially forfeits, and the team at the top of the table after it's reworked gets the title - plus mandatory reparations to those teams, as well as any teams cheated out of top 4, Europa League, or non-relegation spots).
If for nothing else, because if you don't give the title to anyone, you're sending a message that you could *lose* something if you *don't* cheat! That could incentivize *future* cheating (i.e., teams will almost certainly be thinking, "if we don't cheat now, we don't get this title at all, even if the team beating us *is* found to be cheating")!
You get the point. Either way, the direct reward of the cheating needs to be wiped away, or it'll incentivize it further! 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬
But yes, in addition, your solution is the best one I've seen. The only thing I'd want to add (besides removing their accolades) is banning the owners from ever again owning any team in English football!
How unhappy you people are in your real life man 😂😂
@@mazdakmina9493 there's some level of precedent with how it affects other clubs; the transfers of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to West Ham, and the impact on Sheffield United. West Ham broke PL rules on third party player ownership, and ended up paying Sheffield United £30m. Tevez scored on the final day to keep West Ham up, Sheffield United got relegated.
below is a quote from the BBC article on the Tevez-Mascherano deal:
"The timing of the decision annoyed me," says Paul Jewell, Wigan's boss at the time. "They came to Wigan the next day, and they were bouncing; they were on a run and beat us 3-0. It should have been dealt with straight away, when it was first flagged up.
"I had someone from the Premier League in my office, and I said: 'If that had been Wigan or Watford who broke the rules, we'd have been getting a points deduction - the reason West Ham aren't is because they are a big club.' His words were: 'I agree with you, but I'll never say that publicly.' I think they were hoping West Ham were going to go down."
basically the Prem has a history of ballsing these things up, not dealing with them until its too late, and having to cobble together compensation from the offending club after the fact. The £30m was an estimate of Sheffield United's lost revenue from another PL season.
Man Ctiy were not 'exonerated' by CAS. The charges UEFA brought were deemed to be out of time (given UEFA's own rules about bringing charges within a set time). So CAS did not rule on those - they threw them out effectively. They DID rule that City did not comply with UEFA's investigation so fined them heavily for that.
Only SOME of the EUFA charges were time-barred. Most wasn't. the media don't tell you that.
@@mana3735The Cas documemt clearly states that only a few charges were time barred and were dismissed . The rest City were exonerated but it doesnt fot the rivals narrative
@@dalmarcampbell1148 No...and the media will never tell them that either. The football press are incredibly bias and will pander to the hate.
Its 115 charges to begin with, there is still the post 2018 charges (Abu Dhabi stopped complying at that point). Having an oil state purchase trophies is not sport. Sport is about competition, and when you bury the competition via owner wealth and cheating the sport ceases to be credible.
You would think with all these charges the prosecution would have a mountain of evidence, wouldn't you? SO LET'S SEE IT.
@MCFCReactsGoes to show these rival fans a desperate amd cling to any straw.
Pep made it clear he didn’t want to cheat the system that’s why there’s no post 2018 charges same as baradda did that’s why he jumped ship and I’d hate to see pep follow Klopp out the exit door
My realistic guess would be a 3 point deduction, a £10mili fine & one season ban from European competitions. Either way they’ll be fine.
If Everton got a 10 point deduction 3 points for city is unrealistic. The premier League would be boycotted by all fans
A fine for what?
I'd be amazed if anything serious happens to them
I bet City fans are really looking forward to playing Mansfield Town again, they were always well up for that fixture.
They'd be tougher opposition than Man United.....!
If it's a league match yeah. Not the Auto windscreen competition. Which you and others conveniently never mention to suit your narrative.
@@craigmullen9046 City 1 Mansfield 2, Attendance 3007 ha ha ha
@@sknmttnIn the Auto windscreen Competition. Not a league Match as I've stated. In which you and other Raggies Conveniently never Mention the Competition when bringing that match and the attendance up!!!
@@craigmullen9046 I think Stockport were playing at home that night so no wonder the attendance was so low.
I'm not seeing anyone refer to Glasgow Rangers. They were done for financial irregularities over secret payments to players over years, too. They were effectively dissolved and reformed in the 4th tier. Is that not a precedent?
I mean its a different league so probably not
@@Infernus25 I mean there is an example there as a benchmark.
No and this shows why FFP is such a farce (both EPL and UEFA), Rangers went bankrupt through mismanagement and owing the Tax office millions but the teams that are continually targeted by these charges (City, PSG, Chelsea etc.) aren't in any financial danger. If FFP were really about protecting clubs from financial mismanagement perhaps a team that's billions in debt, have mortgaged their future TV rights for a decade and still regularly can't afford to register free transfers every summer would be facing some kind of charges, but clearly not. On the other hand if FFP is about levelling the field then we need to limit EPL transfer spending and wages to whatever Luton say they can afford, but again doesn't seem likely. I'm a City fan so quite biased but if we have broken rules we should be punished accordingly, the Everton case is a ridiculous punishment, again how does a relatively small overspend on a Stadium project produce a point deduction that threatens a club's EPL status,? Does the EPL believe that "helps" the club's future? In terms of the City charges it seems odd it's taken this long after the 4 year (alleged) investigation, you'd think they'd have been ready to go, I'm sure that the House of Commons debating whether football needed external regulation and a massive set of seemingly not fully prepared charges on a club previously targeted by UEFA are entirely coincidental.
Of course it isn't a precedent, is Scotland ffs. This is the PL not the SP.
@@kunimitsune177 There's linear thinking, and there's this :lol:
Man city is guilty as hell. Their titles should be taken away
A lot of people thought Benjamen Mendy was as 'guilty as hell', but look what happened there!
How many people thought that guy who was wrongly jailed in Manchester for a rape for 17 f'kin years, was as 'guilty as hell' .... but they would have all been wrong!
Just goes to show how good klopp is competing with these cheaters for all these years
The premier league is no longer credible even in Italy because of City's No FFP
I think, despite the fact that it could disrupt future leagues, you worry about that at the time. If they don’t make a huge example of city with this then it would only continue and get worse
CAS didnt find city 'not-guilty'. They said that the charges were too long ago.
They didn't have the evidence put in front of them that UEFA had promised to supply anyway!
All City were fined for was delaying UEFA's case ....
They will just out lawyer and delay.
The manc kid works for City? Found not guilty my arse, no mention of the time restraint & no mention of the two-year ban...
The problem for city if they do get relegated is that the efl are not obligated to accept City they can just straight up refuse to allow city into any of their league which I think they will do as if they were to allow city it would just cause more problems for the efl
In the words of Brian Clough, Chelsea and City should 'get all there trophies, all there medals and all there pots and pans and chuck in the nearest fucking dustbin, because they never won any of them fairly'
Well said.
City getting off on a time limit technicality from those UEFA charges is essentially like being acquitted. They didn’t prove themselves innocent of those charges and only got off on a technicality.
Still had a 38 million fine and squad size deducted it's in UEFA rules that it was longer than 5+ years so can't be found guilty of it
@@yatesy117 That penalty was not for breaching FPP but for being "pain in the butt". Basically City is too lawyered up and before they do anything FA and UEFA ask them it will go trough countless appeals of City's lawyers. Probably City could take FA and UFA to court and win arguing that they should have the ability to appeal any request etc. but probably it is cheaper to eat the fines.
LIAR!! Onle SOME of the EUFA charges were time-barred. Most wasn't...and City proved no wrong doing in relation to those.
I think Man City will have their charges dropped completely, however Chelsea we face more charges for Boehly, and be given 15 points + a fine + potentially give Boehly a ban from owning PL Clubs, however nothing touched with Abramovich or their trophies
No relegation will take place directly, however with the way Chelsea are looking, they could come close in the year of the deduction
the integrity of premier league is on the line, but in the end, money talks
If the FA were brave enough, then the punishment shouldn't be some short-term consequences. Examples need to be made to warn those who dare to inflate the market, and cause imbalance in the world.
Put them in the same league as FC United of Manchester.
Brilliant idea!
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If 10 points is the "plea deal" for 1 charge of going over by about £7m a year...
What's going to be the charge for wasting time with pleading innocent with even 10 out of the 115 charges?
It needs to be proportionate to Everton's penalty, if it's 10x charges of similar advantage given then it's 100 points.
It sounds like they haven't gone on the rule they broke but the advantage it gave and I don't think Evertons advantage was anywhere near what man city got from breaking the rules.
Rangers got relegated three leagues for less
They went over by ~£70m/year not 7m mate
@@kunimitsune177 it was just over £20m over the 3 year period that they breached, if it was £70m a year over spend they would have man city's squad 🤣
A truly massive fine to be split between all 91 other clubs would be good say £445 million. £5 million per club would be nice. Except Chelsea. Their share should be used to boost grassroot facilities.
On top of an enforced relegation and stripping of titles.
I think what should have happened fairly is City should have been instantly banned from playing meaning every game is a bye and 3 points automatically given to the other team until City go to court and fight it out, because in the meantime they go on winning the PL another 2 times & countless cups robbing other teams of the financial win fall they would get plus the glory of wining. It would be amazing how quickly the whole thing would get sorted if it was done this way. IF city are found guilty then they should have to pay every team that came 2nd to them over the years the money they would have got for wining, that is only fair, plus all the players that would have gotten win bonus or new sponsorship deals.
hahaha. you're so bitter and jealous. Pathetic. you're embarrassing yourself and the club you support.
I could see them facing a heavy charge, but can't be relegated. Politicians are very influential, with money they can rewrite the truth, say 2+2=5
Think there’s is a very real possibility they don’t accept the punishments, break from the league, take Newcastle & Chelsea with them, PSG, Marsielle, Real, Barce, Ac, Inter have plus the 4 Saudi clubs. Give the others an ultimatum they can’t ignore. Sure Liverpool and Arsenal can stay in the PL but what is it when the Super League has all the best players? It’s on a knife edge
I get what you're saying but if England's 3 biggest clubs, Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal stayed in the PL the Super League would be a joke with little credibility. Clubs that left would be isolated, and their fans would only watch them play at home as continous European games would be too expensive. Plus atm a top side plays 50+ games, no Super League could do that.
I read that if they are expelled from the PL then it entirely up to the EFL if they will accept them into the set up.
Hmm yes that'd take them a nano second to decide back in 1998 City coming to town was everyone's cup final and would generate big crowds
Correct. Given the EFL slightly depends on the PL for money, the PL can put pressure on the EFL to refuse city altogether.
I honestly don't think they should be deducted points or relegated. They should be fined an astronomical sum and the club should be turned to public ownership or broken up entirely.
city where not exhonerated by cas, they where let off on a stupid technicality. how about letting someone who has researched this topic do this video? my god the levels of ignorance this poor kid displays
How about you read the CAS document and stop spreading false narratives
I wonder what Pep is going to do. Because he's regarded as the best manager in the world, at managing big clubs. But you can only be labelled the best if you manage and succeed at all levels, surely. He never goes to mediocre or poor clubs. Because he knows he'll be found out.
oh piss off “getting found out” what a dumb reason. Maybe pep chooses big clubs because hes a big club manager not someone scathing for a relegation battle
@@gr3saeyendbasically what the guy you replied too is trying to say is, is that pep has had it lucky and his true managerial skills will be put the to the test at a lower club and can make them successful. He had a great barca side, took over the treble winning bayern side, and a blank cheque at city. He's no SAF or Bill Shankly that's for sure.
This is why Pep is widely considered a fraud. If he was that good, he would win the league with a very weak team like Burnley, but the fraud Pep knew he'd be exposed so he doesn't dare
@@gurmukhsinghbansal479No Sir Bastard broke every British Transfer Record long before City's new wealth of 2008.
@@craigmullen9046 was that when he won a European trophy and broke up the Old Firm's dominance with Aberdeen? I'm not even a United fan but Ferguson came in as a highly-regarded coach, especially at creating winning teams with limited resources.
Strip the trophies... 1 year expulsion, points deduction following year and permanent shame
National League North. Bye bye owners, bye bye club!
Club will always Exist regardless!!!
@@craigmullen9046 depends on money. There have been plenty disappear Bury for one.
Loss of all honors won during period of rule braking, relegation, owners forced to sell up. Everton got away with a lite punishment, they could've been relegated .
City were not exonerated
We need a super league that isn’t sabotaged by these ridiculous financial rules. It is not like City is losing your money
Unfortunately money will talk …. and they won’t get any punishment except money where money won’t hurt them. Sad but true
Hope they don't relegate City. City and Liverpool are the only insurance for Arsenal never winning the PL anytime soon.
Everton don't generate anywhere near the money City do in modern era so to expect City should get a severe punishment x100 is a bit ridiculous tbh
1: Demote that 5 leagues
2: 100 mil pounds in fines
3: 10 years without European football.
there is no appeal from these charges
Burglar B had a difficult childhood and will get away with a warning and some counselling
So what's happening with them? If Everton already got 10 points deducted, WTfuck hasn't Man City been affected already. Time for them to pay and get relegated or lose a lot of points for the next few years.
They aren't guidelines, them's is RULES....
So ultimately City are saying to the panel, if we have done something wrong it's on you to find the paper trail that can be used as evidence.
City however, will have covered their tracks to make this very difficult to do.
If City are ultimately found to be guilty and then submit an appeal against any sanctions imposed, City will be responsible for the collapse of the football league.
The PL and EFL in essence are damned if they do and damned if they don't and this is all going to play into Citys hands.
I expect that there will be a big points deduction but one that allows City to have a chance of remaining in the PL and also fines and possible transfer embargos.
considering what the FA, EFL and Premier League have done to other clubs (ask a Luton fan what they think of the FA and the EFL), anything less than multiple relegations would be getting off lightly.
What about the fraud charges that could land a few of the staff and people around City in prison? :)
Never will happen, their money means they are beyond laws. Man City it is all what is wrong with football.
Only way to truly punish them that has a legitimate effect would be European competition ban and transfer ban for 4-6 years. Relegating them does nothing they will obliterate every team and be back in 1 year.
Not if we are Relegated to League 2.
@@craigmullen9046 With arguably the best academy in the world City would he back in Premier League in three seasons.
@@Hadar1991 really think james mcatee and liam delap are good enough to walk the championship against half-decent norwich, swansea, blackburn etc. teams?
@@defeatstatistics7413 How many people heard of Ben Mee, Jandon Sancho, Kalechi Iheanacho, Kieran Trippier, Brahim Diaz, Phil Foden, Lukas Nmecha, Eric Garcia, Felix Nmecha, Cole Palmer, Romeo Lavia, Oscar Bobb etc. etc. etc. before they left Manchester City Academy? Just this season alone Manchester City sold 90 million pounds worth of City Academy Players.
@@Hadar1991 excluding Foden, those players have 105 league appearances for City. Exclude Iheanacho and it's 59. My guy, I could do similar lists with Southampton or Palace's academy. I just don't think a team built on guys like Callum Doyle and Micah Hamilton is gonna walk the Championship. They may be competitive but to act like that's way below their level is disingenuous. Most players don't end up as Foden or Diaz, they end up as Sam Edozie or James Trafford; solid, unspectacular players, and there's a million of those in the Championship. They ain't bad, but Sam Edozie isn't streets ahead of Todd Cantwell, they're pretty comparable.
btw: Mee and Trippier both left City waaay the fuck over a decade ago, long before the vast majority of academy investment. If we're going back that far, might as well start talking about Micah Richards and Shaun Wright-Phillips. City's academy has been a mess forever, they've been losing prospects forever because of the 'win now' mentality. Trippier and Mee needed to actually play for Burnley to develop. Same with Sancho, Diaz, Lavia, all those guys; they ain't gonna develop if they don't play. Foden got lucky that it was him that Pep fell in love with, and not say, Jayden Braaf.
What if city is found guilty and relegated,does it mean pep will be removed as coach b'coz I can't imagine him coaching a team in the 2nd division
With the way these things work, if they are relegated, it'd be once the appeal has taken place and in the subsequent season, they wouldn't yoyo about. But also with the way these things work, Man City will bribe their way through it 😂
As a former footballer it's all aboot money
FFP is supposed to make it possible for Leicesters to compete. Otherwise we’d have state owned oil clubs winning the league every year. Oh wait we do lol. Joke if city aren’t relegated to non league, anything else would be light
It's the work experience kid!
(I take the piss, but I like the videos)
Hopefull they get done for it, and get done hard, unlike UEFA, the EPL doesnt have a Statute of Limitation and will investigate anything, no matter how historical...
Everton broke the rules, they should be punished, dont think anyone disputes that, but the Premier League need show some consistency and punish Man City and Chelsea.
by that logic every big team must be punished then
@@Thebigaye799 Doesn't matter how big a club is, if they break the rules, then they should be punished
**PL*
If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.
@kunimitsune177 You referring to me there??? If so, what league name have I got wrong???
@FozzQuaker Obviously. And I literally just told you.
The top flight of English football is called the Premier League. Full stop. Not the bloody epl.
If City is found guilty, and I don't trust they will be even if they did break the FFP rules, I doubt they will be severely punished. They are too big a club with too much money. It won't be fair, especially after what Everton got, but that's how it is.
Send City down to Division 2
Vanarama hopefully
*non-league
Yes, it could, but someone will just open their wallet and everything will go under the rug.
Oh, com' on. Let's have some baseless speculation at least...
So only 3 charges then?
Two words, Arab money.
sound confession
we all know that they've got enough money to pay their way out of jail
Don't make me laugh you are dreaming if this happens. Not a small Club. Never liked this Club.
They'd just wait for the result of the appeal before any relegation took place. It would be be "relegation pending the result of any appeal"
Yep. Bingo.
So who’s at fault here ?
man city top brass … shiek mansour
Their titles should be taken away
Its like being a millionaire and told you can't have a nice car because you have got to much money fuck the premier league ctid 😮
its more like buying a £300k car for £100k, telling everyone you got a great deal when you actually just paid the rest in backhanders. which is, uh, fraud.
Reading the desperate comments form very bitter, jealous rival supporters warms my blue Mancunian heart :@)))) The fact that you're HOPING and WISHING that another club has cheated or done ...anything wrong...just to ease the pain, is shameful.
City have really hurt some people with the brilliant football. Your own clubs aren't matching so you have to blame something.
Jack schpielish
Love 442 but this is so weak.
Na-na-na
Na-na-na
Hey-hey-hey
League Two
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28000 pages? Who wrote that? An ai bot?
Who said all those pages were written on.. 🤔
Ahhh we meet again, this guy used to work for city absolutely no shame eh making this sensational video.
wont be a fine. even if a few charges stick, remember Evertons punishment has set the expectations if case is successful.If Everton's 10 point sticks for 1 charge, Man City's...well they might as well be sent down to Conference league. They really should have set a time limit (i have 0 idea about legal stuff) on how long Man C had to throw a defence together (cynical part of me says loopholes as they only won at Cas based on a technicality right?)
There is no formal defence. It's not a legal case.
How about Chelsea? who started the era of inflated dubious unlimited spending at EPL? Why is city charged and not chelsea?
**PL*
If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.
Chelsea are literally under investigation as we speak
@@kunimitsune177epl
@@kunimitsune177 Chelsea fan
FFP/PSR rules didn't exist when Abramovich bought Chelsea. They actually didn't exist when Abu Dhabi group bought City, even, they were brought in for the 2013/14 season. Should be noted that nowhere near all the charges are FFP/PSR based, there's stuff about Pep's contract (allegedly signed it a year before he left Bayern, hey look in that year City bought De Bruyne, Gundogan and Sane all from the Bundesliga where he was managing) and payments to Roberto Mancini that were always illegal, FFP or not.
this kind of financial doping was something that people noticed late though, City and Chelsea were nothing new at that point, just bigger. Blackburn's Premier League title was fuelled by Jack Walker's millions, smashing transfer records for Shearer and Sutton. It was really post-PSG, when clubs like Anzhi Makhachkala and Malaga started spending a shitload of money that the powers that be started cracking down on it. As per, the big boys get away with it, the small frys doing the same get punished.
The Qataris will pay them off
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah ....
I seriously doubt any effective actions will be taken over City's charges. If they did leave the league, then City will simply make a move for the Super League. I would say the same for any top 6 team in the league as they are untouchable with the specter of the Super League hanging over it like the Sword of Damocles.
settled out of court booooo hoooo gutted and wrong again loool
I think you have miscalculated the amount of paperwork City would have to produce, it is certainly not 115 times more than Everton produced.
Everton supplied 3 years of paperwork.
What would City' need to produce?
5 times as much documentation maybe, That would equate to 15yrs worth give or take.
The EPL have dropped the biggest gonad in football history. They'll be destroyed if compo becomes the norm.
**PL*
If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.
city haven’t been handing over their books or not all that is requested … they keep fighting against the system for legitimate standard accounting examination
All clubs will be the same, there is no way all these clubs can be spending millions upon millions every season and only charge fans and such peanuts at the gate to watch these entertainerswho are on millions of pounds also in wages every week, it does not add up. Someone is doing some good book keeping and brown envelopes. it is how this corrupt world works. Money talks, and it speaks many languages. Where's my money is the loudest advocate.
Bulk of the money comes from revenue distributed from the sale of TV broadcast rights, not gate receipts.
@theskankingpigeon965
Debatable and depends on the club.
Arsenal just a few years ago still had the majority of their then ~£400m revenue coming from match days. They have ~45,000 season tickets at north of £1k each so that's ~£50m/season before even considering the 15k more expensive tickets or club level or membership fees (£30/year) or all the money those people spend on pies, beer & merch on a match day.
It's pretty close for now.
@@kunimitsune177 varies by club. Palace release their finances annually; £180m turnover, of which £141m was from broadcast revenue in 22/23. because Selhurst Park doesn't have the level of corporate ties that the Emirates does (naming rights, boxes etc), and because Selhurst Park holds less than half of what the Emirates does. Palace are heavily reliant on TV revenue, and honestly every club outside of European competition is.
yeah, Crystal Palace get 78% of their annual revenue from TV money. Ain't that fucking terrifying.
Even if City falls to the National league, chances of them climbing back up and winning something is higher than Spurs or Arsenal winning the UCL 😌.
Hope they don't relegate City. City and Liverpool are the only insurance for Arsenal never winning the PL anytime soon.
@@NevilWandera 😂
On the consequences re: restructuring, I imagine EFL would simply refuse to admit them for a year in case the appeal is won. Then any burden would be purely on EPL, perhaps resulting in a 21 team season.
**PL*
If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.
@@kunimitsune177 EPL = English Premier League mate. People in glass houses and all that....
Haaland to Newcastle then aye?
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They werent found not guilty by CAS, so sick of this perpetual lie.
They avoided the hearing by timing it out
@@XavierJAlexander yes I know
You are the liar here. Theybwere found not guilty with a few of the charges time barred . Those charges were timebarred before iefa brought them so thats negligence on uefas part. Read tue fcuking CAS document before you speak rubbish.
The EPL receive sooo much ££££ from City, they would be shooting themselves in the foot to bin them down leagues. Never going to happen, unfortunately.
**PL*
If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.
No they really don't.
@@kunimitsune177epl
This would be a better video if you could use the correct terminology. You keep saying ’charged’ when you mean ‘convicted’.
I would rather bet on city taking the pl to court & punish them for their crimes & receive some millions for their inconvenience. With the amount of oil 💰 of Saudis, the FA won't even touch them & even the Pl & UK (who's current economic condition is not good) can't afford to lose all that oil💰. So unfortunately, city & Newcastle ain't going anywhere.. 🙄
city were in no way exonerated at all, they got off on a time bar
first to view the video 🤩
The editor 💀
the Video editor… @@jamesmcalinden8718
We'll still win the prem in the championship
siuu second
John 11.25.26 Jesus said unto her I AM the resurection and the life he that believes in me though he were dead yet shall he live and whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die believiest thou this AMEN
And this kid has the audacity to call himself a Manchester City fan.
He literally worked for the club and is now making sensational videos for 442 on what COULD happen. He was flown around the world with the club doing social media and now were here.