Sorry, We REALLY Need To Talk About FFP

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 เม.ย. 2024
  • Some people are already referring to the current Premier League campaign as an asterisk season, following points deductions for Nottingham Forest and Everton, and 115 charges still lingering over Manchester City.
    Having gone under the radar for more than ten years, all of a sudden UEFA's Financial Fair Play regulations, or FFP, and the Premier League's Profit and Sustainability rules, or PSR, are suddenly all that anyone wants to talk about.
    So in this video, HITC Sevens takes a deep dive into the origin of football's financial regulations, the narrative that now surrounds them, and whether or not that narrative is rooted in fact.
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  • @saltmerchant749
    @saltmerchant749 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +495

    Technically it was to prevent another Leicester.. but not the title winning Leicester, the one that went bankrupt and ended up being owned by an insane arms dealer.

    • @kieronparr3403
      @kieronparr3403 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Who's the insane arms dealer? I thought you guys worshipped your owners like gods?

    • @user-zq8jt1wl1f
      @user-zq8jt1wl1f 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      ​@@kieronparr3403 A different owner

    • @saltmerchant749
      @saltmerchant749 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      @@kieronparr3403 So it's a bit of a weird story, the guy was Milan Mandaric who owned Pompey before selling it to an insane arms dealer, using the money to buy Leicester after they went bankrupt in the 00s. So technically Mandaric wasn't the arms dealer, he just sold Pompey to one.

    • @chlcrk
      @chlcrk 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I thought it was Portsmouth who went bankrupt after being passed between oligarchs and their sons, reality TV stars, arms dealers and a bloke who may not have even existed
      Though I think what people go on about with "prevent another Leicester" is something else. As I understand it, at some point in the late 2010s just after Leicester won the league, I feel like I heard there was a tweak to the central payment structure that gave top-end clubs more money from the PL prize pot. There's a book called The Club, which I recommend as it's very good, about the history of the Premier League and it mentioned shortly after Leicester won the league that a load of big six execs had a meeting in New York to see how they could tweak things more in their favour

    • @Leeds71
      @Leeds71 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The same Leicester that also broke the rules when promoted later, 4 years to punish them then were fined an impressive 4 million after raking in all that TV money. That was the one that won the EPL, they cheated then as well. This season lets buy and loan players that they cannot afford to get an advantage on over 20+ teams - its cheating and we know if it was other teams, the book would have been thrown at them. Its corruption and it stinks and English football is rife with it.

  • @DJMavis
    @DJMavis 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +306

    Everton is surely the biggest thing stopping Everton challenging for Europe, not FFP.

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      Buying overpriced players and giving them too high wages is their problem. Man utd can get away with it because they are huge. Everton not so much.

    • @maciejbala477
      @maciejbala477 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      yeah it's no secret that Everton have been just about the worst run club in the Premier League in the past seasons. Fans should be directing their outrage at the owner, not the league.

    • @vaibhavsingh6760
      @vaibhavsingh6760 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      exactly my point, man city never get deducted because they have been playing champions league and winning them as well which bring many commercial deal and broadcasting revenue which the likes of revenue everton never had cause they never reached where man city is today

    • @johnriley7312
      @johnriley7312 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@maciejbala477 We have

    • @meowwww9275
      @meowwww9275 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@maciejbala477 our owner is actively looking to sell directly because of the fan outrage though, we now have excess fan outrage to direct at whoever wants it.

  • @TheNotoriousHRT
    @TheNotoriousHRT 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +169

    WOOO FINANCES LETS GOOOO i hope there are charts

    • @Jwp67
      @Jwp67 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Love charts🤩

    • @adlilzafri2322
      @adlilzafri2322 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Graphs > charts

    • @thelonewolf115
      @thelonewolf115 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      oh yeah baby, show me that excel sheet

    • @chefverse4948
      @chefverse4948 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Seeing numbers get me a bit horny.

    • @muneebahmad4378
      @muneebahmad4378 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's porn for you isn't it

  • @bababababababa6124
    @bababababababa6124 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +692

    No idea about how FFP works, I just want to see Man City relegated to League 2 as punishment

    • @britpackdog4545
      @britpackdog4545 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Jelly

    • @DrDiabolical000
      @DrDiabolical000 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

      Your comment perfectly describes the mentality of a Man City hater. And the pride that comes with that ignorance.
      Like it or not, Man City is the best team in the world. The real Manchester is 💙

    • @alchemist6819
      @alchemist6819 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +169

      ​@@DrDiabolical000 best club in the world? You would expect a club with limitless money to atleast be the best club in the world.

    • @marcuspoosz2190
      @marcuspoosz2190 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@DrDiabolical000 you must be a plastic calling the real manchester blue. Im not a United fan but the the real manchester is red and will allways be that. City is nothing but a dirty oil cheating club.

    • @dwigt123
      @dwigt123 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +113

      @@DrDiabolical000 no one's denying that they're the best team in the world, it's about how they became that

  • @notieming
    @notieming 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +91

    Goated intro once again. Big up Alfie.
    I feel like you're one of few who talks with your head instead of your heart.
    No sensational headlines, only history and facts. It's refreshing in this space, I think you're well aware.
    Much love

  • @alostkoi
    @alostkoi 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    "wait, are we the Italians?" Unexpected

  • @SuperAnimeking100
    @SuperAnimeking100 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    There needs to be a salary cap system like in the MLS

  • @fedfed6485
    @fedfed6485 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    All the sympathy in the world with the fans of the teams that have been punished.
    None with the teams. They knew the rules, they broke it. Try that in the North America with the salary caps. Teams have been punished severely for just trying to *circumvent* it by smart accounting but not outright break it. I think if you try to break it, they'll just demolish the stadium or something.
    Just because Man City's web of lies takes many years to investigate doesn't mean everyone else should be off the hook. I hope City has the book thrown at them eventually.

    • @duyanhng8430
      @duyanhng8430 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      yeah and if they wanted to they could band together to repeal the damn thing, but they know another portsmouth is inevetible if they dont regulated so they have to shut up and deal with it, city on the other hands seems to have god tier lawyers and friends in sporting court, but that’s another topic that is largely out of anyone’s control

    • @hmu05366
      @hmu05366 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@duyanhng8430agreed

    • @pritapp788
      @pritapp788 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      North America? Try Italy for starters. Juventus docked 15 points for accounting breaches that were insignificant compared to City's and Chelsea's.

    • @user-fd3hd3yy3x
      @user-fd3hd3yy3x 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You dont have to go to North America. Italian Federation have been so scarred by corruption, I am pretty sure if the owners even dream about spending big money that might hint at shoddy finances in their sleep, their teams will get a point deduction by the time they wake up the next day.

    • @neilbiggs1353
      @neilbiggs1353 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I used to have sympathy for the fans, but too often they've been turning a blind eye while the spending has been going on. It's hard to care about Derby fans who were cheering on their owner for getting around FFP penalties while their spending was unsustainable for example. When a team goes in to administration it's not the footballers etc who lose out, it's the local businesses the clubs had dealings with who then get stiffed on their bills, not to mention the tax authorities.

  • @JP-Esq
    @JP-Esq 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Just put I. The NBA tax system. Over a set level, teams have to a £1 tax for every £1 they spend over it. These tax payments are then given to every team who didn't pay any tax and those in the rest of the pyramid.
    This would mean, no cap on ambition, less arbitrary rules, freedom of choice for everyone, maintain appeal for outside investment AND increase sustainability

  • @filux7329
    @filux7329 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    that intro speech was a hell of a ride

  • @psychedminds95
    @psychedminds95 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    What the tweets say may be contentious to some, but those Twitter handles are universal gold

  • @HamzaTalksFootball
    @HamzaTalksFootball 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Those changed twitter handles are genius. 😂

  • @liamlynch4194
    @liamlynch4194 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +189

    The last 15 years have been asterisk years at this point

    • @DomenBremecXCVI
      @DomenBremecXCVI 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I am still only 12 years old, the past 15 don't count!

    • @BadselS
      @BadselS 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And abelisk

    • @Renegade-kf8fp
      @Renegade-kf8fp 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      More like the entire history of the sport

    • @mrbojangles5313
      @mrbojangles5313 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’ve just started reading the asterisk books again, they’re fantastic.

    • @MCFCReacts
      @MCFCReacts 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You don’t have to recognise our achievements. We just won’t recognise your clubs achievements 😉

  • @jlirving
    @jlirving 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    @35:46 You will see entertainment precinct development. Shops, hotels, restaurants, apartments entire zones being bought and developed. If i were a multi billionaire I'd be building shopping malls and other entertainment hubs within the precinct of the stadium in order to increase revenue.

  • @adamdickinson2894
    @adamdickinson2894 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

    Cannot wait to see how he works this around Further Adu

    • @sullenskulls9709
      @sullenskulls9709 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      An absolute disgrace of a video here. Freddie Adu didn't get mentioned once. This channel is going downhill fast!!!

    • @koppad8664
      @koppad8664 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sullenskulls9709 did Watmore got mentioned

    • @Wladislav
      @Wladislav 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      He worked in Shaw like a champ, though!

    • @Thrill_Hou
      @Thrill_Hou 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@sullenskulls9709he’s gone woke 😡

    • @pjkerrigan20
      @pjkerrigan20 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@Thrill_HouFreddy Adu’s career didn’t pan out because of WOKE 😤

  • @CharlieyT95
    @CharlieyT95 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    The idea that FFP was set up to protect the Big Six obviously isn't the case, but you can't argue that is not what's happening now.

    • @mancuniangamecat8288
      @mancuniangamecat8288 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @CharlieyT95
      It was set up to protect the big four from clubs like man city.

  • @deecunningham9719
    @deecunningham9719 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This was very interesting Alfie. Thank you.
    .

  • @LordZontar
    @LordZontar 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Man City being expelled from the Premier League? Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. That would be like the NFL expelling the Dallas Cowboys. Too much a part of the PL brand. Won't happen.

  • @nollienick1121
    @nollienick1121 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Didn’t realize I’d need a accounting degree to understand football

  • @1bert719
    @1bert719 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    If FFP was genuinely about fair competition then it would be in the form of a salary cap. This would stop the big boys outspending little teams and make players more accountable when trousering huge salaries. It's not perfect but it would be fairer.

    • @MichaelGGarry
      @MichaelGGarry 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      May not be legal. What would be legal would be a squad salary and purchase cap. Squad is only allowed 25 players and you have X amount to spend on wages and bonuses in any given season, plus you are only allowed to spend Y on transfers and agent fees on the entire squad.

    • @user-fd3hd3yy3x
      @user-fd3hd3yy3x 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It isnt about "Fair competition". What does that even mean? Its to stop clubs from bleeding money.

    • @neilbiggs1353
      @neilbiggs1353 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-fd3hd3yy3x It's why the new names make more sense like PSR. FFP made it sound like it was meant to affect the competitive balance. More needs to be done about competitive balance, but I'm not sure anyone would like a solution since to me at least a huge problem is the Champion's League money creating a feedback loop that tends to privilege a few teams in each top division and leaves the rest behind...

  • @ddlee84
    @ddlee84 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Seeing anything FFP or PSR related always triggers me as a Portsmouth fan as it just brings back memories of that horrible season where the club was failed by the Premier League in the biggest possible way. There were no real protections in place to stop dodgy owners from buying clubs and then walking away leaving them with nothing....the fact that owners have to secure debt against themselves( I think Alfie said that in the video) and prove they are "good for it" is exactly what was needed, if that was in place back then....then Sulaiman Al Fahim would never have been able to take charge with his wifes money and we are possible talking about Portsmouth being a two time FA Cup winner in 3 seasons(I can dream :p). But I look back at Portsmouth now....owned by a legit billionaire, still in League 1 granted(possibly going up today if results go our way), operated the same way as a proper business with the majority of losses being due to improvements to the stadium and an actual training center owned by the team and I cannot be happier. Thank you to Michael Eisner for building on the hard work of the Portsmouth Supporters Trust(which saved the club) and also for being so transparant about what is going on.

    • @nickblack3972
      @nickblack3972 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Exactly mate. Winds me up when City or Newcastle fans insist that if not for financial regs, every smaller club out there in England just needs to wait for a billionaire custodian to come in, hold their hand and walk them into the path of glory.
      What the last 20 years has only proved, is that the only owners out there capable of reliably bankrolling glory for newcomer big time clubs, are murky authoritarian governments like Saudi Arabia and the UAE, and uber wealthy individuals like Roman Abramovich who made their lot through their own murky means. These entities don't do for profit, they do it separate reasons like personal glory or geopolitical strategy. Roman had that goldilocks combination of ambition, passion and competence, which is a very rare thing and why Chelsea were so lucky in hindsight. It could have easily been someone else, with whom they'd be no better off. And even if someone like Roman lands on your football club, they tend to come with so much murky baggage that sh*t could suddenly hit the fan at any time, I.e. The Ukraine War, and jeapordise your club. Look at Chelsea now...a mere shadow of what they used to be.
      The entities out there who do it for money, like FSG, simply don't have the comparable resources to finance what Abu Dhabi or Roman invested. If they did expend the same 'investment', they'd lose money and go broke.
      So that just leaves you with the rest, your Hicks & Gillets, your Usmanovs, your Gaydamaks, and more, whom are walking representations of Russian Roulette with 4 loaded barrels.
      It just doesn't work and that's why financial regs were introduced, because it seems that these football clubs and fans don't actually know what's best for them, and need to be protected from themselves. Because with the greatest of respect to these football fans, they're simple, basic men with no financial literacy and no understanding of how all of this works.

    • @neilbiggs1353
      @neilbiggs1353 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nickblack3972 I think the saddest thing is Tottenham - they would seem to be an example of a club building everything in the right way, but even they have no chance of competing with the clubs funded by the super-rich. It's scary though how fans equate owner's wealth with a club asset - they seem to think that subsidy is OK, and maybe it is until it gets withdrawn and the club has to make up the shortfall. Not to mention how the same fans calling for clubs to spend more then get upset when ticket prices go up to try and cover some of the costs of the salaries...

  • @GoodMorning-wc7yr
    @GoodMorning-wc7yr 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I'm an Everton fan, and I would have been absolutely fine with the points deductions if there was any level of consistency. There's talk of replacing them with a luxury tax, conveniently just before Chelsea and City are actually punished, and the second two point deduction just genuinely baffles me.

    • @mattjames6349
      @mattjames6349 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I'm an Everton fan too and have never seen an explanation of how we got sanctioned twice in one season?What the second one was for?

    • @user-fd3hd3yy3x
      @user-fd3hd3yy3x 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mattjames6349 For two different 3 year periods? That was obvious.

  • @juvaniaaron1720
    @juvaniaaron1720 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We want solutions!

  • @jamesdulany2176
    @jamesdulany2176 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Farhad Moshiri and Bill Kenwright have done permanent damage to Everton. These 2 have done more damage to Everton than anyone else combined. This is why I think even naming a stand after Kenwright is incontrovertible. Our prospective new owners are even worse than this!

  • @Zentrum234
    @Zentrum234 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There are but two options: the rich clubs must leave their respective leagues and do their own thing or football must take a look at American sports and make sure the financial playing field is level.
    I am from Germany and many grand old clubs with a huge following haven‘t won a trophy in decades.
    Thus, I wonder how long this can continue that many clubs simply don‘t have a chance anymore to win a cup, let alone the league, before fans get frustrated or bored. I think football must change and do so fast.

  • @LiamFlanagan-dd9wb
    @LiamFlanagan-dd9wb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Great video Alfie!!! Would definitely love to see the follow up video you mentioned at the end!!! Thanks

  • @wife9571
    @wife9571 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i could literally never get sick of hearing your voice alfie

  • @numerouno6753
    @numerouno6753 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Amazing video my man. Done ur research, and explains it on an understandable level which is no easy task - thank you!

  • @neilcameron7705
    @neilcameron7705 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I reckon the 20 teams of the Premier League should combine with the 72 teams of the 3 levels below to create a super english league with four different levels according to their performance, with promotions and relegations. A percentage of the money generated by these 92 clubs are placed into a kitty which is then distributed equally among the 92 clubs.
    We can call it "The Football League".
    There will be name changes too. "The Premier League" will be renamed "1st Division", the "Championship" will be renamed "2nd Division", "League One" will be renamed to "3rd Division", and "League Two" will be renamed "4th Division".

  • @Elliot-T
    @Elliot-T 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I'm a Portsmouth fan of 30+ years. It's easy to imagine financial issues as entirely negative, however having been at both the FA cup and EFL trophy finals, both were equally great memorable occaisions. As was being promoted as champions of league 2 and soon to be champions of league 1. These moments create great lasting memories. The alternative history without financial issues, likely would be a mid table premier league club, not winning another cup or title, fighting relegation each season, getting relegated and becoming another Norwich.

    • @muneebahmad4378
      @muneebahmad4378 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You wouldn't be saying that if your club was desolved and even if it was given a rebirth it still would've taken it a decade to get somewhere

    • @BristolCity1992
      @BristolCity1992 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And the financial overspending doesn't necessarily in FA Cup wins and success in the short term. Look at Derby as an example.

    • @Elliot-T
      @Elliot-T 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@muneebahmad4378 Yeah, I'm not arguing that financial mismanagement is a good thing. Just pointing out that something which seems so negative can have positive aspects.

  • @kaastue
    @kaastue 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The rules are good and make sense. The only problem is that the revenue is determined in accounting, and there’s so much leeway there. A uefa competing football club should have to follow some stricter accounting standard as well as ownership models than traditional companies.

  • @nellyb743
    @nellyb743 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Please definitely do a follow up video on possible suggestions. The depth of your investigations, the quality of your delivery and your dry, dark humor makes your videos incredible, and I'd definitely like to see you go more in-depth into that topic.

  • @VillaFanDan92
    @VillaFanDan92 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I think the core unfairness (which is definitely unintentional, and not a conspiracy) is relating the balance sheets on "revenue generated" rather than specifically sporting costs. No matter how savvy financially a team outside of London is, they'll never generate the matchday revenue of a London club. No matter how well they perform on the pitch, they're never going to sell merch like a traditional "big 6" team. So they're always going to be at a competitive disadvantage against established clubs. If you had loss limits specifically on player sales, then I feel like that would level the playing field a little more.

  • @DeathTheKid4
    @DeathTheKid4 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I was worried we're not getting a video today. How can I water my flowers without listening to Alfie after all

  • @bananaslamma35
    @bananaslamma35 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I truly fear the day that someone finally succeeds in trying to turn Argentina's clubs into privately owned enterprises. So many problems are ducked thanks to the fact that Professional Football Clubs can't be privately owned in Argentina. No need for rules about how much club owners can spend on the club if there are no unbelievably wealthy club owners involved in the equation at all.

  • @AquaMoye
    @AquaMoye 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Accounting is beautiful! I'd love to watch a follow up video

  • @naskevin
    @naskevin 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    @25:31 there are two Manchester United in that chart

  • @willsonabus9978
    @willsonabus9978 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Man, this video absolutely killed it! There's so much public clamour it's bound to get 10k likes. Might as well make the follow up now Alfie mate. Stay ahead of the curve and all that.

  • @staceyskinner666
    @staceyskinner666 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video ...succinct and actually gets to the point ...Man City are being accused of false accounting ...p s r is based on revenue ..the bigger the revenue the bigger the spend ..why do you think they want bigger stadia
    ...and European money ...

  • @njabulombuyazi5132
    @njabulombuyazi5132 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This was actually a great explainer video. It cleared up a lot of things. Its easier to form a conclusion after something is thoroughly explained.

  • @r4h4al
    @r4h4al 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just think there's no fair way doing it in retrospect. Wherever you pick the cut off point for in retrospect it's going to be unfair.

  • @OfficialFingazMC
    @OfficialFingazMC 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Great Mitchell and Webb reference there mate!

  • @anwargorham
    @anwargorham 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    @25:25 How is Man Utd on the P&L graphic twice? Who made this data?

  • @jamesduffy7549
    @jamesduffy7549 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +75

    Ffp exists because of what chelsea did to the establishment three (man united, liverpool, arsenal) but by the time it came around chelsea had spent enough to be part of it. It certainly doesnt protect clubs lower down the leagues from financial oblivion or make their owners behave properly- i can attest to that as a Coventry fan

    • @mancuniangamecat8288
      @mancuniangamecat8288 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @jamesduffy7549
      It was brought in to stop man city.

    • @jamesduffy7549
      @jamesduffy7549 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@mancuniangamecat8288 yes because it was too late to stop chelsea. Chelsea had bought their way into the establishment at this point and they didn't want man city doing to them what they did to liverpool and arsenal

    • @Freestyle80
      @Freestyle80 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Chelsea was a regular in the top 4 since 1996, why is this ignored and compared to City?

    • @dominicbarden4436
      @dominicbarden4436 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Freestyle80 Not to mention winning a couple of FA Cups, a League Cup and a UEFA Cup Winners Cup in that period from 1996-2003, as well as a Community Shield and a UEFA Super Cup.
      But yeah, it is frustrating that Chelsea's immediate pre-Abramovich years are glossed over and people think that Abramovich buying them just put them at the sharp end out of nowhere when in fact they'd established themselves as a decent force to be reckoned with, particularly when it came to winning cups.

    • @guus5504
      @guus5504 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@Freestyle80They were a decent team, but Chelsea fans seem to overbloat how good they were. These were their best days untill that point in their history.

  • @RightSide-kl5vj
    @RightSide-kl5vj 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Alfie this reflects on society somewhat. In the UK, I've learnt that capital gains tax is lower than income tax, so when tax is increased, income suffers.
    But this increases wealth inequality, as poor people usually get education, training and then become highly skilled workers to move up society, now that they're punished for doing better, this increases the wealth and geography gap even more though

  • @ggthegoat3455
    @ggthegoat3455 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gimme that alternate video you were talking about at the end! I love me some FFP talk

  • @jakelawson1
    @jakelawson1 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The bit about Leicester's administration is a bit misleading. Winning the League Cup and playing in the UEFA Cup are revenue-neutral. After 4 straight years in the top half of the EOP, we were relegated when we were building a new stadium. The loans to build the stadium were secured against EPL money, so relegation sent us into administration. The UEFA Cup still isn't really relevant.

  • @ErinStephanie-mf2qk
    @ErinStephanie-mf2qk 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ‘Wait, are we the Italians’. Nope. Because in Italy, there’s a much better chance of being investigated and punished appropriately. Many clubs get away with murder, in England.

  • @talende
    @talende 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Simply can’t grow tired of your voice, Alfie.

  • @hikkespett
    @hikkespett 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was on my way to subscribe to your second channel when I realized it has absolutely no content. Still 21.2K subs though...

  • @ricardomachado5638
    @ricardomachado5638 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you should make a video about SBV Vitesse, one of the dutch oldest professional clubs who was constantly fighting for european football and now faces relegation and are in danger of being extinct

  • @Jeff_2x
    @Jeff_2x 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Think Prem should establish a luxury tax where if teams like City break FFP rules they should be fined heavily and the money used should be distributed to the rest of the teams in the league.

  • @jonblackburn7634
    @jonblackburn7634 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    @25.12 why are ManU on that list twice, and which one of them is actually NUFC?

  • @BigBoyJay_69
    @BigBoyJay_69 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    20:46 Hey. As a CPA, I.... completely agree.

  • @armadillomaster
    @armadillomaster 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wait, it's not to keep Man City at the top is it, hence the charges...

  • @curtisgibson635
    @curtisgibson635 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We don’t disagree with the rules if they were fair. But they’re not! Look at Man City and Chelsea! If they got punished properly then no wonder would kick up a fuss

  • @apalakbhattacharyya1681
    @apalakbhattacharyya1681 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    yes, we want the follow up, alfie

  • @haydenmck2969
    @haydenmck2969 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sorry Alfie, this doesn't quite cut it on the Forrest account. Having PSR not line up with transfer windows essentially means it's not a 3 year reporting period... Yes wages are the major expense but it's hard to convince a footballer to take a pay cut instead of selling them. If a club had only a portion of a window to sell a player to meet PSR that opens them up to essentially extortion from other clubs to low ball prices to the minimum that would allow them to meet their obligations. Everton and Leicester is cut and dry but these rules must align with the reporting periods for it to make any sense.

  • @chrismartin3553
    @chrismartin3553 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Absolutely go for the 2nd video mentioned at the end!

  • @jenniferescalas9307
    @jenniferescalas9307 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You are missing the main point: small clubs should be subsidized by the big clubs in order to level the playing field. Equal share of TV revenues, merchandise sales, etc. will lead to a much better fan experience where six clubs no longer dominate everything and success doesn't lead to killing the smaller clubs.

  • @umbertobaldi3387
    @umbertobaldi3387 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was against in since it was implemented. It's a rule tha FORCES you to sell home grown talents to have a net gain. And that, is the death of the sport we all love. Imagine young Mario Rossi (invented name, it's the most common you can get in ITALY, growing in Juventus Academy since 8 yo. He and his entire family support the club. At 18 yo he's making first appearances for the first team (cups, lesser league games) and his values grows to about 10 milions. Than Juventus thinks: "Mario Rossi is worth 10 millions, if we buy fabian ruiz for 50 with a 5 year contract, for this year we have 0 losses", and bam, Mario Rossi's dream is shattered. It happened to Ac Milan with Cristante and Locatelli, forced to sell to comply with FFP. Horrrendous rule.

  • @ThreeRunHomer
    @ThreeRunHomer 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Salary caps and other regulations on teams in the US are all basically down to the past dominance of baseball by the ultimate “big team” (New York Yankees). Major League Baseball said, “Yeah, no” to that and when the NFL, NBA and MLS were formed they followed suit. It’s worked out well for all of those leagues.

    • @mikemurphy8996
      @mikemurphy8996 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      But they all have drafts and can’t buy all the best young talent. Usually the worst and cheapest teams get those players

  • @johnwhittaker311
    @johnwhittaker311 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    FFP (or PSR) is a necessary evil to protect clubs in the relegation zone from themselves. If teams could spend what they wanted, clubs lower down the premier league with rich owners would overspend for the chance at getting into Europe. This would make it harder for teams to stay in the division, and they’d have to spend more to try and do so. The gap between the premier league and the championship would be even bigger than it currently is, and teams would go bust. It’s not about protecting the Big 6, it’s about protecting clubs from themselves, protecting jobs, and preventing communities from losing vital pillars. It’s not a perfect system, and I’m sure there are some improvements that could be made (including punishments being clearer/more consistent) but PSR itself is necessary to prevent the death of football

    • @duyanhng8430
      @duyanhng8430 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      yeah but when punishment get entangled with literal state owners and sportwashing, seems like certain clubs are exempt if they find themselves a willing and competent accountant

    • @heijimikata7181
      @heijimikata7181 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@duyanhng8430 And lawyers who only care about winning.

  • @silvesta5027
    @silvesta5027 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like Alfie is the only sensible football fan online

  • @oldmanfran5523
    @oldmanfran5523 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I clamour for a follow-up!!

  • @chriscampbell1309
    @chriscampbell1309 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for explaining properly

  • @jackbrownio3
    @jackbrownio3 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Screw it. Lets have 12 players

  • @abhinavssj4
    @abhinavssj4 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video!! Thank you for this one.

  • @chlcrk
    @chlcrk 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Please do make a video on possible FFP/PSR modifications. A few of them floated seem like they could be workable in the short-term but also have extreme downsides that could end up being worse in the long run

    • @duyanhng8430
      @duyanhng8430 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      salary cap based on revenue should be implemented imo, also sharing revenue more dispersely

  • @bernhardsonn7758
    @bernhardsonn7758 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Paul Dummet. Help i can’t defend haha. Irish guy would agree

  • @purplevendingmachine1762
    @purplevendingmachine1762 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this completely off topic but i would love a video on how underrated gary neville was, don’t like him as a pundit but can’t stand the disrespect his playing career gets

  • @andorrasrevenge1683
    @andorrasrevenge1683 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is there a Pulitzer type award in the Uk for journalism. If so short list Alfie. Amazing explanation.

  • @theerapats
    @theerapats 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very clear explanation. Really nice one!

  • @Omnipotentmonkey
    @Omnipotentmonkey 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This video was definitely needed, been a lot of simplistic talk online regarding Man City and Chelsea and people's understanding of these rules, with many sustaining hilarious occam's razor ideals like:
    "Chelsea have a net spend over the last 3 years of -764m, that's over 7 times as large as that 105m! surely they should be charged proportionately!"
    ignoring both the fact that Chelsea have a revenue in that time in excess of £1.6billion. and that a large portion of their massive insular transfer losses have (as has been very widely publicised) amortised over the next 8 years instead.
    meaning that while that puts them at a potentially costly disadvantage in spending for the next 8 years, where any big transfer could take them past the threshold without significant sales, that they are in complete accordance with both PSR and FFP as it stands.

  • @apjsard1
    @apjsard1 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't like PSR because it makes no separation of good losses based on investment and bad loses leading to debt. Lots of companies lose money over significant periods of time, Twitter/Uber/Tesla etc... But most of the investment potential is in share price rather than profit. NSWE who bought Villa have seen the company increase 10x in value whilst making 'losses' through the value of the company going up. Either you cap spending to a sensible limit across Europe or you should allow resourced investment.

  • @zhaoserch
    @zhaoserch 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tying the limits to revenue still maintains the status quo and clubs with huge revenues.
    A cap should've always been the solution

  • @stephenremnant8151
    @stephenremnant8151 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Alfie hits on the real reason City won't get punished and it's the links between the UK Gov & Royal family and the owners of City

    • @dylanb.117
      @dylanb.117 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That take already doesn't make sense

    • @stephenremnant8151
      @stephenremnant8151 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@dylanb.117 it does when you consider they wouldn't want the political embarrisment it would cause

    • @duyanhng8430
      @duyanhng8430 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yeah powerful lawyers and judges who can be bribe goes a long way, espescially in a criminal case with such high stakes. Maybe if the us owners felt cheated they could go and lobby their own gov to pressure it but seems like the us is cozying up with oil folks anyway, comme si comme sa

    • @nevilleneville6518
      @nevilleneville6518 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Unlike City's owners, the British Royal family have little actual power. As Alfie points out however, we are geopolitical allies. I have no doubt arms are being twisted at the diplomatic level.

  • @br1an432
    @br1an432 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    that alternate PSR video seems like a really good idea tbh

  • @Wladislav
    @Wladislav 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love when you talk numbers to us, Alfie.

  • @ifan_1234
    @ifan_1234 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    it would be really cool if you did a video about the Cymru premier. the league doesn't get much attention, but it is growing, and teams like Caernarfon, barry and colwyn bay have pretty decent fanbases.

  • @dazwebster
    @dazwebster 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do the Part 2 please. it would be interesting

  • @Scolopente
    @Scolopente 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like this is a blog post read out over stock photos. Why?

  • @GuyJames
    @GuyJames 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this issue really shows up those fans who are hard of thinking (let's be honest, it's probably a majority). thanks Alfie for not being one of those

  • @andyw_uk74
    @andyw_uk74 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I mentioned that this would be an "asterisk season" to a friend a few weeks back. Never realised other people were saying this too. I even came up with some whacky ways on how they could fix this (none of which are good, btw).
    FFP is a perfect example of what happens when technocrats with lots of spreadsheets, who have no concept of actual real life, think they're doing the world a good. Tip: they aren't.

  • @johnkeegan9957
    @johnkeegan9957 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Day 2 of requesting a new video about the FAI.
    Since your last video, they've failed to qualify for a World Cup and the Euros, let the manager's contract run out and failed to replace him for 147 days, and had a CEO sacked for misappropriation of funds.

  • @iceman4660
    @iceman4660 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Unfortunately there is no ideal solution to this. Clubs are putting themselves on a cliff edge in orser to chase the riches of the PL dream.
    Man City will use their lawyers to delay whatever is due to them

  • @koppad8664
    @koppad8664 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    13:30 2 bandits with thier kits and the legend Ivica Osim damn bro

  • @ottawasenspb
    @ottawasenspb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The handle for Almiron lmfao

  • @marthelus
    @marthelus 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro, your work ethics is the real deal. You always put out some of the best and imfomitive videos. Keep up the good work. Hailings from Jamaica 🇯🇲

  • @GM06969
    @GM06969 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Interesting that since the UEFA financial regulations came into place, Real Madrid has won more champions leagues than anyone else. And that, hopefully not, but with the PL FFP chelsea will achieve a first ever back to back treble. But yeah, these rules defintely don't only favor the super rich clubs... sure.

  • @deejmalik
    @deejmalik 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Clamour

  • @press_button_for_assistance
    @press_button_for_assistance 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. Again.

  • @DarKOracleGaming
    @DarKOracleGaming 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can't say I've ever seen an everton fan say that we shouldn't be punished. The fan just disagree that the punishment we've recieved fits the crime. When the only reason we breached the first time was because the league decided that an interest payment on a loan for the stadium isn't a permissible add back even though those payments have been allowed for other clubs. We more believe since the commission agreed we didnt gain a sporting advantage from over spending the punishment shouldn't have been a sporting one but rather a financial one as thats the way in which we breached

  • @2hungry2care41
    @2hungry2care41 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Clamoring for a follow up

  • @Mav-dm5mb
    @Mav-dm5mb 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Simplified it was to stop what Leeds Utd did, bought top players to hopefully win trophies which would then pay off their debts, this didn't occur and hence they were subsequently relegated twice, this has nothing to do with keeping top 6 as top 6, if you haven't got the revenue then you haven't got the spending power, everything has to be done gradually, you need to look at how all these new American owners are dealing with their club affairs and that way it works properly, you build up new fan base which brings in more revenue and better spending options.

  • @simaatiming8018
    @simaatiming8018 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Alfie, no matter what topic you’ll wanna analyze, we’ll watch it. Keep it up😮‍💨😮‍💨

  • @jackbrownio3
    @jackbrownio3 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    PSR (so far) has done nothing to save clubs going into Admin., other than kick them while they are already down. They are supposed to be preventative measures, rather than punishments after the fact. Interestingly, this seasons points deductions do seem to have discouraged a lot of teams from overspending, so i suppose its taken some sacrificial lambs to get PSR to work as intended

    • @akunwanneprosper7016
      @akunwanneprosper7016 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How many clubs has so far gone into administration

    • @jackbrownio3
      @jackbrownio3 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@akunwanneprosper7016 am i google? Look it up yourself

  • @harrybellingham98
    @harrybellingham98 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    i think the punishments should be transfers bans and ways to force the teams to stop spending rather than having a team in debt and basically doubling their debt with fines. Rather they should be banned from certain footballing activities that require large spending.
    points deductions, esp during a season just effect the other teams around them and its even worse when they get those points back. it like removing and giving random goals in a match

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ok so i buy 15 world class players in a summer.
      Get a transfer ban.
      Who cares? Already done my business.
      This was chelseas thinking. Due to the dodgy deal under abramovich that was unearthed in the takeover.

  • @zacsayer1818
    @zacsayer1818 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Boogie man?! 😂😂😂😂. Surely he meant boogeyman! Generally, hip gyrating, disco-dancing funk monsters are less creepy! But that’s just my opinion! 😮😅🤣🤣

  • @toggerz7487
    @toggerz7487 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think it would give the season an interesting dynamic if Man City went into it with -50 points. Their relegation fight would be a unique season long narrative.