Can the County shut down TALLY HO?! / Sheer Planks (Rebuilding Tally Ho / EP92)
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- Rebuilding a historic sailing yacht - County Issues / Sheer Strake (EP92)
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EPISODE 92
After the snowstorm last week, we start this video with Tally Ho full of snow! But it quickly melts and we get back to the business of cutting and hanging planks. I make some blocks to go between the sheer strake and the beam shelf in the bow, and then pattern and make the sheer strake (the very top plank) from Angelique.
I also receive a large and worrying envelope from the Clallam County (our local county council) ORDERING me to stop making videos and receiving donations online! Can they do this?! Will I keep making videos? Will the boat get finished? I tell the WHOLE story.
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92. (County Issues / Sheer Strake - Rebuilding Tally Ho EP92)
Wow, I’ve been blown away by the amazing outpouring of support and offers of help - thank you so much!
Almost everyone has given sensible advice and good wishes, but I just want to make a couple of important points.
I know some people are angry on my behalf, but I want to make it clear that I am not angry towards either the county or the neighbour that complained. They have their side of the story and I do not believe there is a “bad guy” here - just an unfortunate situation. I can empathise with all parties involved.
If you want to show your support this project in any way, PLEASE do so with calmness, positivity and politeness. Anger or aggression will only make this more difficult for everyone. I’m confident that I can find a solution which will be good for the project and good for everyone involved in this dispute.
I’ve been getting some good legal advice and I think I might have a few options becoming available. Like I said in the video, there will be a way forward!
Keep Calm and Carry On.
Leo, just a thought... If people donate via Patreon on a per video basis then the other side could argue that you are selling something (videos) and therefore are conducting a business, however if you restrict Patreon to one-off donations (if possible) then it would be easier to argue that that is simply charitable giving and that consequently there is no obligation on you to provide anything in return, and that therefore you cannot be construed as operating a business?? But then again, maybe that line would hurt your income. I dunno? Either way, best of luck from Nottingham from an ex-Jolie Brise sailor.
you are a better man than i am leo. good luck mate
Do what you find hardest, politics. People who are friends with the planning board will likely contact you. Take up their offers so that you can meet the officials involved in a setting other than the board meeting. You can be very charming. It's not cheating. Let people friendly towards your project put friendly pressure on the planning board. An insider who asks people inside how to give us all a happy ending can change the currents.
Get a lawyer, the main job of any lawyer, is to gum the works up and create delay. The delay is your friend, allowing you to finish the boat to a point where it's moveable. I'm amazed you've gotten away all this time, it's staggering, but time to get professional help. Separately, you should start a 501c non-profit here in the US and label it educational to revive and encourage the arcane arts of wooden boat building, all your patreon should go there... hard to argue you are a commercial venture if you are a registered non-profit. I commend you for your neighborly endeavors, but as in most things, there's always someone who isn't happy.
Leo and crew: I'm your neighbor in the blue house to the south. My family and I have enjoyed watching your work from the porch and in the videos. We support you fully, and have never had an issue with the noise or anything. Were sad that you all have to move the project. It's been a pleasure. Keep up the good work.
The County is afraid of only one thing and it is not the voters: The Media and Press; see if the local news can take up the cause.
yeah, good one too!
Flood the meeting with as many supporters as you can.
Launch a good gofund me! Hire spiffy lawyers
@@davidkennedy3050 This is great advice. county boards are either elected or appointed but seeing supportive voters at the meeting will make a difference.
This is a FACT.
Appy for the "conditional use" permit. Let them deny it. Otherwise, "they" will say - he never applied, and as such it is his fault, not ours - we showed him what to do. Architect here.
But he doesn't have $4,000 to literally waste.
I agree. And get a lawyer. It will be cheaper.
Yep!!!
Apply with no payment offered...or some small amount...$100...a fair amount for paperwork. $4000 or $4 million...both are nonsense....a real court...not the kangaroo county 'gentle-persons"... can render equitable judgement. It's gone political, so appeal to the local and state heavy hitters...like the state attorney general. Getting a support petition could be useful.
Yes. Because at this point the goal is to get the boat safe to relocate.
So apply for the permit (yeah it costs, but it costs less than a week's fines), if they deny it appeal and reapply.
With a decent lawyer, you can drag this process out months while the team makes progress on the boat.
I went through the same battle you are going through when I restored my 7 ton vessel Oneida II in Kearney Ontario Canada. A small town of only 800 people. This is a battle that ended up going to the Supreme Court of Ontario. It was an unwanted battle that cut into my work, my mental health and my savings. I did not have outside support in the mid 80's. It was all just my wallet. The end battle was me facing a Municipal Lawyer in Supreme Court where I had never been. Amazingly I won my battle. The town was rather chagrined that they had lost to the Mohawk Indian from the part of town that was known as Slab Town. My advice to you is Never Back Down.
Any county should be honoured to have such a project in their midst. How many viewers globally have looked up this part of the world after watching the Tally Ho project?
Maybe Leo should throw a meet and greet. Bringing tourism dollars to the county would be a tick in his favor with those in power. Arranging it before the hearing might be difficult, but I think the channel has enough followers to pull it off if they chose to.
Again, just a thought.
HI, I come from Germany and watch Leo from the start. I know a lot of my friends who see it too. So we wonder if this neighbor is someone with German roots because we have a lot of these (mostly elder) mean people here in Germany.
@@thomasarussellsr flood them with letters as well as locals who support the project. public opinion is ultimately their master. always a rotten apple in the bunch, no matter where you go.
Just the sheer amount of money Leo and the team have spent and bought to the county with this project. Edensaw, Sail makers, the team at the foundry, and whatever money is spent at hardware stores, local businesses, supermarkets to feed the volunteers etc.
Not to mention the possible increase of tourism of people wanting to see the project and go for a beautiful hike around the area.
@@thomasarussellsr The tourism idea is good but it has two obvious flaws in this location. 1. I'm sure the hosts don't want a stream of strangers on their property 2. It is a project site and not set up to be safe for tourists. HOWEVER if the county was progressive and forward thinking, they would provide a suitable site close to and turn it into a tourist attraction for the benefit of the community and to promote the county.
Structural engineer here. Firstly I think you should try to go through the building permit process and negotiate the date of the removal of the boat. You've gotten the hard part done and that's getting engineers to sign off on the structure (it's something I've admitidly thought would come up). The building has been signed off by an architect and structural engineer, then their sign and seal should take design responsibility of the structure. Code violations on the old (existing part) of the building are under no obligation to be upgraded per IEBC unless there was a fundamental change in use for the structure. The code officials looking for code violations need to explicitly denote those code violations. The design officials should have an opportunity to contest those code violations. Feel free to reach out if you have further questions. I'm not licensed in WA, but I have colleagues who are.
Best of luck!
The issue is not a permitting one. It is a zoning issue and they are requiring a variance to do commercial business on residentially zoned property. They are already indicating they are not inclined to grant one as there is at least one neighbor who does not approve.
Agree, having dealt with a lot of zoning issues over my professional life, I think your best course will be to negotiate essentially a "consent agreement" with the County whereby you agree to a timeline for getting the boat moved off the property. Hopefully you can show them that you need to accomplish a reasonable amount of further construction to get the boat to the point where it can be safely moved, even if that's 3-6 months from now. Otherwise you could subject yourself to accumulating fines that could become liens against the property. Line up your friendly neighbors to express support your continued operation until you can move the boat, which should outweigh the one neighbor that is against the project. Best of luck.
I'm assuming that there are those out there that would just check boxes off because they didnt like a project and had been receiving complaints.
@@davidkennedy3050 Tell that neighbor to give us a call!
@@davidkennedy3050 It is hard to see how this is a ' commercial' operation as Leo is not producing a product for sale and is not marketing any thing. He is mearly building a boat for his own use with the help and assistance of willing others.
Not surprised by the fuss as with any thing there is always one who stirs the pot.
At the rate the project is going by the fall Tally Ho will be movable and another place close by will be found without a doubt.
Getting someone on board like Pudue is a wise move and certainly would lift the weight of dealing with this stuff.
I was a contractor for years , not in the USA but life is life no matter where we are, and understand the pressure you are under Leo. Yet you have many good folks around you and going public with this is the best thing as it will bring all kinds of help to hand to deal with it. Tally Ho will endure no matter what so haang in and press on. Take care of you in the process too , ok?
1 good thing. There are 293 thousand people in your corner. If you need some really expensive legal council to see you through this, lets us know and I think we can come up with more than enough money. You fight for us all.
Well said Sir ! tip of the hat to you :-)
Absolutely - I'm sure everyone who enjoys Leo's videos would be willing the help out and thankfully there are enough of us to hopefully make the fight a little fairer
Imagine if all the 293 thousand subscribers donated $20, that would give a fighting fund of nearly $6 million. TH-cam should also step up and help from their legal department.
@@HorsleyLandy88 / sadly , I've never heard of you tube doing anything smart like that :(
We need to hit the patreon hard in case he has to shut it down.
So he sets up a world class project in their community, highlighting not just his own project but all of the supporting trades and suppliers from in and around Port Townsend, apprentices and develops a whole bunch of local people and brings a focus to the whole thing through a TH-cam broadcast with enthusiastic support from around the world... and the community chooses to red tape the whole operation to death on behalf of one cranky asshole. Ladies and gentlemen: government.
Yawn, cry harder. I love the channel, but laws and ordinances exist for a reason. If the community doesn't like the law, the community has the right to change it. Blaming government when it does the thing you hired it to do is a shining example of ignorance.
Unfortunately that is the way local government works they respond to the loudest squeak and don't pay attention to those people not witching and moaning
@@robertshelton3796 Piffle
You sound like a karen
@@robertshelton3796 If you support the county government overstepping and trying to kill a project we have all been following and supporting for years because one dude doesn't like a little bit of noise, why are you even here?
Your historic preservation of a famous yacht put Sequim on the map, I'm very surprised that the County now wants to be known around the globe for trying to sink Tally Ho. Do get an attorney that specializes in zoning issues. Do not go to the county hearing without one, the county always has one at a hearing.
The worldwide historic / cultural aspect of the ship "Tally Ho" is highly important. An E mail adress to the county were we can send our protest regarding the countys handling of this would be great!
Get an urban planner on brief too...
@@hanshogqvist7927 28:16
The city and state inspectors are complete nightmares like this everywhere you go in this country. I will be pounding it into my kids head that they are NEVER to live inside a city limits. I have witnessed horrendous tyranny from these idiots, and everywhere I turn, I see it there too-- such as this video. Its unreal.
I know if I were shopping around for a business location with the features of Sequim/Port Angeles, I would have considered it prior to this week. After seeing how 'professionally' they handle one neighbor complaining, when all the other surrounding neighbors are singing from a different hymnal, maybe some location down the coast would better suit my needs. If one crackpot can so commandeer the organs of local government and cause county officials in a coastal area to give a one-boat historical preservation project this kind of grief, then I can't imagine any sort of enterprise or development that they would be competent to support.
"I know nothing of the law, except that whenever a plain man comes into contact with it, he is likely to suffer extremely in his purse and spirit, however sound his cause: so I do conjure you, my dear, to take the very best advice you can, and at once. This is no time for half-measures, no time for your provincial lawyers. You must fee the finest talent in London, you must armour yourself with the highly-trained intelligence of an eminent counsellor, accustomed to meeting these scoundrels on their own devious ground."
--from The Surgeon's Mate, by Patrick O'Brian
Wow this quote hits home. Gotta love Steven Maturin!
wow
Leo, is it not possible to become a Charity? A Charitable Organisation has numerous laws and regulations that would stop the idea that you're a profitable business in its tracks. I know that people watching will have much deeper knowledge about this than me, but even if "Tally 'Ho" became the only asset of the Charity, you would certainly be able to pay yourself a living wage and be able to sail her when and where you want. It's so sad that you have to jump through hoops like this and you will be in my thoughts and prayers. Please keep us updated. 👍🇬🇧🙏👍
My thoughts exactly. Create a non-profit to shelter the project and further Leo's future goals.
From Wikipedia:
"For example, a nonprofit organization may be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) if its primary activities are charitable, religious, educational..."
I would argue the videos Leo produces are highly educational, and Leo's future plans to showcase the boat and it's historical significance only further the educational reach of the project.
Apply to the state to be a 501C3 a charity that donations made are tax deductible or a 501C7 with is a non-profit but donations are not tax deductible..
It is already?
100% historical renovations for purposes of education would easily qualify under 501c3. Just dissolve Sampson boat co as a legal entity along with its associated Patreon the re-establish as a not for profit. Has the double benefit of donor being able to write off donations and telling the county and your neighbor to shove it. Alternatively, you may be able to partner up with the Albert Strange association as their restoration arm.
This sounds extremely appropriate, the educational value alone is undeniable
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES GO TO THAT HEARING WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY!!! If you do I guarantee you will regret it.
I don't think that Leo has the constitution to fight this. I suspect he will be moving the boat soon.
@@davidkennedy3050 in the interest of public safety this vessel should not be move before a certain construction point or it would risk damage to itself and possibly to life, limb and property of the general public, the movers or state properties. Theres always gotta be that one ignorant dick neighbor with nothing better to do than bitch and moan.
Considering Leo has 294,000 subscribers and millions of views on all his videos, the county will only damage themselves.
@@maxnex7676 and if every subscriber sent him $10, he would have a war chest and/or the funds to pay fines until it is movable.
Good plan. Also make sure to bring as many supportive neighbors and county residents. They vote.
The fact is, most of the money he's raised has gone directly back into the local community and community businesses. Sad that they want to kill his project or stop his funding. He probably will need a lawyer.
Sounds like he already has one.
Yeah, "Community Development" is just a euphemism for interfering in private business, "Economic Development" is a euphemism for redistributing tax dollars to political allies.
The fact is there is money and someone wants a piece.
If i was a neighbor to this i would hate it too.
@@ktoth29 Absolutely 100.00000% correct and accurate. And "resources" are YOUR tax dollars. we-e-e-e-e-e-e NEED reeeeeeeeeeesourcezzzzzz they bleat.
WOW!! Thsi video has pulled nearly a half MILLION views in one week! The comments are approaching 8,000. I took some time today to review the comments, waiting for another video from Leo, and of those I waded through only ONE was in any way negative... I got on the Clallam County web site and was hoping to bring this to their attention and it appears their email server has crashed, hopefully overwhelmed with messages in support of Leo and the project!! I think I'll try phoning in tomorrow... I'm sorta retired... I have LOTS of free time :-D
SUPPORT TALLY HO!!!!!!!!!
David this is exactly what is needed .. along with the nasty neighbors location . then it would be HIM who is getting hot and bothered when he is swamped with hate mail..
Anyone in this channel that lives near Clallam County or in Washington State, start calling your senator's and representatives' offices and garnering support for this project. We can not let it die because of one rude asshole and a county government with a god complex.
Agree , if the voices are heard they will step up .
Somebody should put up a number for us to call???
what? Leo is literally in the middle of a neighborhood making construction noise all day everyday. This is a 101 on how to get everyone around you to hate you. Like i feel for Leo and the project.. this was only a matter of time though.
@@chazarkansas1366 but it’s during normal working hours. People can’t be upset about that
and put in a word for poor Boeing.
As an architectural historian, I'd like to offer a suggestion from a different angle. I would contact the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) and see if they can't offer help or suggestions on how to navigate this issue. Even though the Tally Ho isn't native to the state, it's still an historic restoration project occurring in the state and I cannot imagine they wouldn't have an interest in this project. I don't know how the WA SHPO is structured, but at the least they have someone who oversees tax credit projects and that person may be able to offer insight into how to work with this particular county. If anything, it can't hurt to inform the state agency that exists to protect and preserve the cultural and historic resources of the state who you are and what you're doing. I'm sorry you're having to deal with all this. My husband and I have thoroughly enjoyed your videos over the years, and I particularly appreciate what you are doing to restore a piece of history.
Good idea!
This project brings history to life. Leo has done the research and the hard work for us to appreciate. For anyone passionate about the subject the channel is a text book in itself.
@Shanda Davidson - that is a great idea and I also wonder if the Albert Strange Association would be able to help in some way. After all, they have something of a vested interest in seeing Tally Ho back in the water...
YES!!!
I know someone who had bought an lot next to his property to have it as a field in NJ. Someone got annoyed and the township started to harass him. After receiving a citation for the grass being 3/8" over max (5 or 6:) he dug in and found out there was some rare insect on the property. He registered the lot as a federal wildlife land for the protection and preservation of said insect and let it go to field.
The next time the township came he sent them to the federal office...
Any time you can use one government agency against another is a good thing.
@@cobra02411 Spot on David. The answer to bureaucrats is to tie them up in their own 'red tape' so pitting one qango (Quasi Autonomous Government Organisation) against another can blunt their attack.
Leo, if you need it moved NOW its no problem. I've moved tons of wood boats in various states of repair and as long as you have the planking done it would make the trip no problem. Let me know if you need it moved and I will make it happen at no cost to you.
@Comp. Thank You.
@ Comp 670 Wolfe. That is nice and I like to help you on fuel Cost. We the People must stick Together.
@@gregoryh4601 I've got some PayPal money burning a hole in my pocket. 50/50 chance we are political adversaries, but on this topic we are brothers.
good for you sir. thank you
I'd chip in for fuel.
I’d be really proud to have such craftsmanship going on near me
Me too. I would very likely be dropping by often to chat and see how things are going. It's a beautiful project.
One more thing-as a former member of the Washington (state) Trust for Historic Preservatsion-based in Tacoma at the state history museum-contact the state historic preservation officier. I may be able to find a source/name. They help me in my historic house restoration business-at the local level. They may be able to offer support.
Please help out this is ridiculous.
If noting else good sir, please contact KOMO news (I believe they are the NBC office there in your area) and give them the story directly. Nothing like a really good human interest story to get public opinion going.
Perhaps a few (hundred/thousand) letters to Clallam County Code Enforcement and Building division at 223 East 4th Street, Suite 5
Port Angeles, WA 98362 to let them know how poorly an adverse decision would be received nationwide would help.
If Washington Trust for Historic Preservation can do anything, it would be good for them to step up. Even if with legal proceedings.
Not forgetting his advertisement for many of the local business including wood suppliers, metal working and his tours of the fantastic countryside.
He brings dollars into the local community. Something that needs to be pointed out!!
Great point.
"The whole world is watching!!" We should flood the social media of the local media so this story is brought to light. Viel glück. 🇨🇭
Couldn’t agree more with previous comments: DO NOT go to that hearing without first getting a local attorney who is well versed in zoning issues out there
I don't know why people believe that having an attorney will help you. lol. They are going to decide whatever they want, whether you pay an attorney $5k to stand there beside you or not.
no, not at local. the opposite. Don't comply, the board just sits there until the next meeting. Local meetings just give them cannon fodder to shoot back at you
@@calholli Terrible advise. This is how business gets done. The County will have there attorneys there.
A lawyer who knows the right people is better than a lawyer who knows the right laws.
Great advice! I'm sure you will find an attorney who will be glad to fight the city for the next 5 years or longer at 250 to 500 per hour. Doug must be an attorney or has never hired an attorney.
Hey Leo I corresponded with Kiwi at Eden Saw tonight and he said he has room for your project on his property in PT. Give him a call. Tim
That is an excellent prospect, well done.
I live in Washington state, I know some people higher up in the government. I'll ask around and see what you can do. I'll email you if any of them offer some good advice.
Please follow up Brysen, Leo could use your help.
@@unclespongehead I will. I sent 2 emails already, am going to send more tomarrow. I'm curious to know the legality of that one contract they tried making him sign. My brother is a business lawyer (don't remember the real name for that) I'll ask him if he has advice too.
I'm going to get to the bottom of this. All of it seems to go against basic freedoms in my state and I have fought for all sorts of freedoms in this state before. So I'll figure it out.
@@BrysenJacobsen Leo and I are so proud of you! Keep on keeping on!
I'd be curious to know if whoever is driving these legal threats from the county is somehow related to the neighbor who is complaining. From the look of the stuff in that packet, it looks like someone grasping at straws when they say it's an industrial operation. The boat isn't a commercial product and is not for sale, you are selling video content and that is what the people are paying you for. And for that, your equipment is only your camera and your computer, which is hardly industrial.
I mean, if you were a guy who was building a fancy deck on his house, recording the videos and monetizing them on youtube and patreon, do you think the county would come after you the same way? What about if you were working on your car in your driveway and doing the same thing? Or building a birdhouse? It's an insane precedent to set.
@@ReiniGrauer I think the internet and the digital economy in general confuses the hell out of local authorities... they may be acting with nefarious intent but I think it just as likely they're not really sure HOW to classify Leo's digital operation and are grasping at the physical (and obvious) components of it instead of the actual reality.
County employee: "He's got a _monetized_ youtube channel and he's rich enough to build a wooden yacht."
Other county employee: "We can say there are anonymous complaints so we can shut him down unless he pays us 'our cut' from the MASSIVE money youtube pays him."
SOLUTION: *Leo, Get a GOOD lawyer* (I mean one that will return paperwork from the county for bad punctuation, grammar, etc.) and ask for continuances, appeals and exemptions until building is complete. They waited until you're in too far to move and/or quit. Beat the idiots at their own game.
YEAH!!!!!!
or alternatively don't spend any money and ask them to prove jurisdiction over the physical land! and that does not mean legal property!
yeah, they are probably just after the $.
just waste their time somehow until you're gone
I think the lynch pin is a continuously barking neighbor the COUNTY can't shut up annoying City Hall offices
I unfortunately have no suggestions about how to deal with the County situation, but I would like to say that Leo's lack of personal animosity while being confronted with such hostility from literally ONE person = world class humanity. Crossing my fingers and praying for you, Leo!!
This is the kind of thing that makes people want to put armor on their bulldozer
RIP Marvin!
There should be more armored bulldozers
underrated comment :D
Mad Lads?
or cannons on their half built boat.
I have follow this project from the beginning and never commented before but on this subject I feel your pain and have a lot of first hand experience. I spent 20 years working on the SS Toroa including 5 years as the project manager and 10 years fighting the local Councils that were trying to have her scrapped. We learned a lot about just how these bureaucracies work and there are a few simple rules.
All communications in writing only and demand it of them.
Demand receipts for any documents lodged with them.
Never go to a meeting alone and demand that minutes are recorded with a copy forwarded to you.
Talk to your local community and tell them what is happening. Ask for their support and ask them to attend the hearing if they can.
There is nothing like filling the chamber with supporters at a public hearing to blow the opposition out of the water.
Invite the local elected councilors to a private viewing of your project and roll out the red carpet. Their support will go a long way to help you and right now it is a safe bet that they know nothing about this you are dealing with the paid council officials who dont have to worry about the voters.
Make sure that the local press also get invited to that viewing and the councilors know that they are going to be there.
Make sure that all the councilors have copies of all the demands made by the council and your work done to comply in advance of the viewing, remember they likely know nothing about what is going on. Send this to the press as well but dont ambush the councilors.
You have a lot of work to get through before the hearing so start by requesting a deferment of the hearing on the basis that you dont have enough time to prepare for the hearing. Ask for 3 months delay, you may get a month.
Take the request in by hand and demand a receipt for it.
It is very unusual for them not to grant the postponement but if they do take the refusal to the press, they love an underdog story.
Other things that will help are to invite the community to an exclusive open day and make sure that the complainant is invited as well in writing. His non attendance will help you at any hearing and there is a very good chance that he will not come. If he does come treat him like royalty and try to sit him down for a discussion, it can be amazing what that can achieve.
Finally ask your on line followers for their help. An avalanche of supporting emails from all over the world to the elected officials will make them sit up and take note.
What do we need?
The emails and names of said elected officials.
An outline of the problems you need addressed and maybe a proforma letter.
A plea for no stupid stuff, the last thing you need is some clown sending a death threat.
If I can help from down under please ask
There's a lot of good wisdom in your post Sir / I hope Leo gets to see and read it and act on some of it ;-)
Can we get Nathan Fielder on this case? He's great at spinning up local news media attention.
This post needs to be in a personal message to Leo mate.
@@danmurphy5660 Agree. I hope Leo actually sees this.
Second that! Trust an Aussie to have such an eloquent comment like this. Thank you dear Sir.
Leo - long time viewer first time commenter.
READ THE ABOVE COMMENT.
HAUX
If the county attempts to shut you down, contact the Institute for Justice. Their attorneys eat weasely corrupt townships and municipalities for breakfast in court. And they do not charge for their services.
I would reach out to the Albert Strange foundation (hope I spelled that right) and see if they would be willing to help with media relations and that this is a historical boat and possibly get the county to back off for a few months while you get the boat ready to move. Best of luck
Tally Ho was designed by Albert Strange.....
@@edwardh2444 Yes that is correct , but there is also an Albert Strange Society ? or Foundation of folks who really like the design of
his boats . And if I remember correctly Leo bought the boat Tally Ho from the Society ( in Oregon ? ) a couple of years back for 1 dollar !!
and moved her to where she is now / The precise information is in the first 1 to 3 videos that Leo made if you are interested ?
Anyone thought of getting up a petition, emphasising the following;
1) the project has inherent cultural value
2) it showcases the Pacific Northwest , largely due to the quality of Leo's filmmaking
3) it is an educational project; teaching valuable skills to young people
Underrated comment and suggestion. Id add in the resulting stain the case brings to the municipality as a whole based an all of the above ect ect ect.
Sounds like harassment and a lawsuit waiting to happen. The county is majorly overstepping their bounds when they first tried to get you to sign that compliance agreement.
I just sent a polite note to Governor Inslee's office asking if they can voice their support for the project to the county gov't. My hope is they will recognize the value this project provides to the boat industry on the peninsula & in WA as a whole, and can maybe get folks off your back. Wishing you luck!
I would have thought the profile of the project - not just in America, but internationally - would confer a bit of cultural kudos on the area. It's a shame they don't have the imagination or vision to see this.
I doubt Inslee would be that much help. He hasn't been to me.
Washington hasn’t received much good press lately , the county should take that into consideration.
Good Idea, but the local media could be help if you can get them to do a story on it !!!!
Well done Charles, I hope it makes a positive difference.
Get all of the neighbours to show up at the hearing and vent on the officials.
It’s lawyer time. It was lawyer time a while ago but now it’s definitely lawyer time.
Yes especially after all the confessions/apologies that were publicly aired. Leo just enormously complicated his case by acting British.
Yes. They can win this case easily.
I’m not surprised there is one neighbor who has a complaint. Everyone has that “one” special neighbor in their area.
As a former government employee myself, I can attest that it usually comes down to the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Or the hammer, depending upon the situation. Show up with your supporters and get your friendly neighbors to sign a petition and attend the meeting. The next step is contact the local media and ask them to check out your story. Clallam County is a rural county facing growing population pains and this is the by product of that process. Good luck with your project. I give the county commissioners a call on Monday and ask them politely to reconsider the tack they are navigating.(Couldn’t help myself!)
from my experience commissioners are at the top, this would be coming from the planning and zoning department no?
A main issue is that theres equipment stored outside so what if you buy a cheap shed from home depot and then just move it inside that then your equipment wont be outside it will be in a shed. You could also just enrage the neighbor in legal ways on purpose if your feeling petty
Patreon is a PRIVATE CLUB, NOT A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. --- Patreon members are virtual owners of the boat.
You need to get a lawyer and establish precedence. ----You also should sue the city to get your $4K building permit
money back. ---The CITY had no intention to give you a permit, only to steal money from you, so they are LIARS.---
You need to get out of there, go to East Coast of USA, to warm water.
If you do call them, I would suggest to advise them that the production of videos is an indistinguishable activity from that of ordinary residential living... noting that (as far as I can tell) there is no permit requirements and/or enforcement action taken in regard to the construction/repair of the boat in itself.
I would bet that you could easily get a 1000 or more people to write letters in your support and sent to the address on the packet that was sent to you. Bureaucrats hate getting mail from the public.
This county business is profoundly distressing, but let's not give vent to our anger. Leo has modeled a rational, objective approach. He's working toward a solution, and we should support him in his efforts. Our outrage and vitriol, while individually satisfying, perhaps, will likely be counterproductive. Stay cool, folks.
Remain respectful, but don't be afraid to speak up!
AMEN !!
Very true. Please keep it respectful.
Well said. Let's keep this place the respectful forum it has been.
I wrote to Clallam County using their website email form to express my support of Leo. I got a response today from the Clerk of the Board saying that she would forward my emil to the Board of Commissioners and Department of community Development. Here is their email commissioners@co.clallam.wa.us if anybody cares to write a cool, dignified, respectful, peaceful support letter.
“I’m not gonna let it get in my way.” The quintessential pioneer spirit, Leo-good luck and keep up the fantastic work!
My email to the county Board of Commissioners. “Dear Commissioners:
I am hoping a compromise can be reached to allow Leo Goolden to continue his work in Sequim. I have come to know your area of Washington through his TH-cam channel. Hundreds of thousands of others have also gotten to know your citizens, industries and culture in a most positive light. How beautiful is your corner of the world!
It would be a very wise decision to allow him to continue. You have been blessed with this wonderful project which has landed in your lap.”
Sincerely,
Jim Gray
A response of reception was received.
Right to assembly. Tally Ho must be assembled by this assembly of people. On a serious note, your letter is exactly how I think they should approach this. I had no interest in that area of the country until this series started and has great historical connection all across the country and has filmed and tied those communities together as well.
good effort
Please post the date, time and place of the hearing. I live about three hours away but would take a day off to support you. Thanks
Me too.
Hang in there Leo...
Don't let the county overlords hinder your dream!
I agree with this. Don't let a neighbour turn the County against you. Some have already mentioned the Marxist East in their answer. That is of course nonsense. On the other hand, it is true that the New World is primitive as far as regional government is concerned. That is why in Europe we call The U.S.A. still a cowboy Country. Maybe everything is not too bad, you have a lot of publicity. Otherwise, you must move the boat as quickly as possible. If that causes problems in the vicinity, you can also search for a remote solution. Tally Ho will be relocatable soon. You could also transfer her to the U.K. on the deck of a freighter for little. or to the Netherlands. Here are more options.
Oof, $10 says that neighbor knows someone at the county personally and is putting pressure on them.
Yep
Yes, you need to lawyer up. Seems the County is playing stupid games and can only win if you make mistakes. A lawyer will help keep you from making those mistakes.
Hire an attorney and play the delay game. You cannot do it Leo, but a member of the Bar can. A good attorney will get you all the breathing room you need. As a Patreon of this channel, I can certainly speak for many of us, hire an Attorney, it is worth it.
Maybe there is an actual lcoal Attorney present and interested watching?
What jelinger said. You need legal advice at the minimum. You should really have a lawyer beside you when you go in there. He (or she) may be able to totally shoot down the county's latest salvo.
One? Bring four.
Planning for the worst case: if Patreon has to come down for say 6 months or a year, then I bet 90% of supporters would be willing to pay 6 month or a year in advance. Then you would stop receiving income but still be in a position to do enough to move the boat.
PayPal
I love lateral thinking!
I was literally just about to suggest that. :)
Or we send money in envelopes.
Pete could open a Patreon account to fund him to go work on Tally Ho for free .
Petes handling of that measurement discrepency is incredibly endearing
given the great care and precision of the work...i am amazed to see his perfect self control and equinamity. Pete has a great heart.
Leo I wish I had half of your patience and grace. You are an inspiration to a redhead-tempered knucklehead trying to maintain a peaceful life like myself. 👍👍
Unbelievable, I'm German, so I my live is certainly by regulations. But even here is almost ever a way...
Please "Neighbour" of Leo be a part of this project and be proud of this young guy joining his dream!
Please excuse my bad English.
Unless you have a panther in your basement and the government decides they want it.
America.. the Land of Freedom they say.. nope, nope!! I'm more free in China and Italy then USA..
@@1977Timp Did you just compared Italy to China though lol.
Nope i compare Italy and China vs USA
@@1977Timp I literally cant reply to you what I was going to, it got auto deleted because it was about a certain island country and what happened there.
I am free to say what I want here in the real world though, as it isnt owned by cheenah.
As Tiskahar has also pointed out: "APPLY FOR A PERMIT" is different than OBTAIN a permit. It seems you can comply with the ORDER by simply applying, thus bypassing all those pesky daily fines
Yeah, this might be a malicious compliance/rope-a-dope situation. Apply for the permit with loads of garbage content and extraneous detail. It will be rejected. Apply again...
Brilliant
He said the permit would cost $4000. Seems pretty steep if he knows its going to get denied.
They also specify "PATREON"... so switch to SubscribeStar.
@@Araye yes letter of the "law" might lose a few donors not many though making the switch. followers love this content .start a totally unrelated channel to raise donations .there is also lots of interest in the artifacts related to the project. 'Original"wood and fittings . other Talley Ho merch T-shirts hoodies. this is due to some peoples lives only made complete by trying to make other peoples lives miserable.
“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds”
Press on with pride Leo.
Tell me about it !!
Great quote!
I second that
It is a quote from Albert Einstein. :D
Sure this is only one side of the story - I'd love to hear the neighbor's side - but this sounds just like a personal vendetta and someone with nothing better to do than give you a hard time. Best of luck to you Leo - i hope it all works out. Pursuing your passion isn't "doing it to yourself" - it seems you have made a reasonable effort to comply with local codes/regulations.
That personal vendetta probably started at the beginning of the project when a (or the same) neighbor complained right after the boat house was built. Obviously didn’t succeed back then.
Leo, I am an 83 y.o. who made his own little sailboat many years ago. I have been kept alive and alert waiting for each of your videos for almost the entire series. Thank you. Your calm, confident manner will help you as it has in the past. I'm sure there are a lot more Texans who follow your series and love your work.
Jerre please write Mary Winborn, Director of Community Development for Clallam County is the enforcement administrator behind this action. mwinborn@@t The other county official you may want to direct your note to is Mark Ozias County Commissioner for this area mozias@@t I have written them both. Mark was accommodating with a response and no response from Mary to date. Thanks, Tim Walls, Sequim resident and the 1st volunteer for Tally Ho.
Funny you say that about Texas because Texas or Florida wouldn't treat him that way. Without being political which is hard since it is political heck the governor couldn't get his state under control with that occupied area with ZERO LAWS
@@tw6955 What are those email links? they seem broken
Been a supporter and form or Patron from Texas Hill Country
Jerre Williams, I'm glad you are enjoying the project and I'm sure your sailboat is fantastic. Take care of yourself.
Leo, an inspiring example of how to respond to adversity. No anger, no belligerence, just trying to negotiate an outcome in good faith.
Simple....they have nothing going on in their life, and hate everything.
sadly, he needs a lawyer and an advocate on the council...
@@CrummyVCR I couldn’t agree more. Very true about this community.
Problem is that the country hornet’s nest has already been swatted by the spiteful neighbor. It’s going to be hard to get those hornets back in the nest now.
@@hoperules8874 Nope not a lawyer, a good negotiator. Typical of the US. Jump in guns blazing. Always ends badly. A good negotiation on the other hand and everyone gets a part of a win. Much better way to do things in the long run.
Been through things like this (potential show-stopping, dream-squashing, trapped between rock and a hard place, whatever other run of the mill nonsense you call this) and I can honestly tell you the only thing that gets people to budge is the words "alright, then you'll see me on the six o'clock news." You may not be the kind of person to suggest this, and I honestly never thought I would be either. The shortsightedness of the county and your complaining neighbor need to be the thing that is scrutinized the most. Not your noble effort. I'd be proud to have you as a a friend and neighbor. You're truly inspirational. Keep up the good fight and it will get better.
What a graphic for local media to capitalize on. Too easy.
Your advice to build support in the local media is a good one, but works best if coupled with Leo's effort to comply with the local laws, despite the source of the complaint. I admire Leo's willingness to take responsibility for his own actions, but if those actions include ignoring the need to respond to the complaint in the prescribed fashion, that unwillingness will be the headline in the local media outlets. The short term financial hit will seem like lunch money if the project is thrown off the rails, IMO.
What about a petition could we help in that way?
I have been fighting the county here too. I want to put in a new state of the art green septic system at our house. I have been trying to get a permit for a year. The county health dept decided our house is on "an illegal subdivision" because the subdivision was not approved by them. This is despite their approval of the exact same system at a neighbors house in the same subdivision a month after my application. The land in question was deeded to my family by the King of England in the 1600s and was subdivided by my great grandfather 50 years before there even was a county board of health. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" lol
@@unclespongehead =
Leo, I've got $1000 for attorney expenses; all you have to do is say, "Send it Jim"
That's how to step up Mr. Newell. Hopefully, you'll never get the call. :-)
I’ll pitch 100 as well
@@caycug1 I've already sent $100 this month via PayPal. The $1K is there for legal expenses, if he wants it. For the past two years, I've given him $50/month.
I too went through similar problems. No architect, no building permits, illegal structures, too close to the property line, too much noise, blah, blah, blah. In my defense I was seven years old and it my fort. No really, there's always one neighbor.
@@BOSS_DOG the bees should be the least of his problem if that happened to me
Leo, you are a UK fish in American waters. The American solution is not use lawyers and courts. File for the Condition Use Permit before your
hearing. Tell the hearing board that was their solution and you complied. When they deny it, you sue the County for the denial. That should disable their ability to enforce any fines until they settle that case, and by the time that happens you can move Tally Ho to Port Townsend or elsewhere to finish the fitting.
Yeah, it seems like the very employees of the County that requires the application, telling him flatly he can't get approved, amounts to deliberate obfuscation to keep him in exactly this present "non-compliant" status where they can now fine him perpetually.
Money, is what this is about. The County has no actual concern for anyone's safety, tranquility, or welfare -- neither the project participants, nor the complaining neighbor. Money is always the only motive behind any of this.
@@boatrat I disagree. If this was happening here (Australia) the local authority is obliged to ensure that their 'rules' are adhered to. ie. If the authority receives a valid complaint they are obliged to take action otherwise they are opening themselves up to legal challenge. Not always about money mate.
I’m a teen and watching Leo has made me so interested in learning the ways a boat is built and works and now aspire to become a woodworker due to Leo! I hope that the country realises that you’ve taught me and countless others so much best of luck!!!
Leo, please include this young lad's response in whatever case you have to build. Anecdotal, to be sure, but this young man speaks volumes. Let his voice be heard!
Bro, get a lawyer. They will tie you in knots at that meeting if you go there alone. Also, get the local news involved. Once your on the six o’clock news, the county will change their tune.
Already contacted the Peninsula News. I urge others to do the same.
Get a bulldog attorney...
THIS THIS THIS. get local news involved, ALL the local news. made it a david vs. goliath story (it is) and the county will fuck off because they don't want the heat. Legit people should organize protests etc., that will make them shut up with quickness
Leo you should be getting a medal or an OBE for the great work you are doing, restoring the heritage of the country and educating young people, I am a 100% behind you, you are doing a great job.
Ironically, the county has had a good image representation, thanks to you, Leo, and the community and positivity you have engendered with Tally Ho. On some level, it is almost hilarious how the county officials are willing to denigrate themselves and the overall reputation of the county by their spiteful behavior. By not including all of this in the Tally Ho narrative, you have maintained the “high road.” Clearly, you were forced to make it public as the overall project is under threat by mean and short sighted politics. The real lasting harm will be to the county’s reputation by it’s own doing.
So true. it´s beyond comprehension.
Totally, I sent the development department and it's head a polite mail to this effect. I was going to be in the area this summer but this really makes me not want to come.
While I would not dispute your assessment in the grand scheme of things, the point is everyone has a right to their opinion even if it is (as I see it in this case) dim witted and plain ignorant. If the county endeavored to squelch the complaining neighbor they would invite a legal suit to the entire community in the form of potential legal action against the county. The community here needs to find this weed and identify it and then put some public shaming and pressure on said parasitic annoyance so Leo can get on with it, think Round Up for jealous detractors. My 2 cents.
@@gerarddavis692 There is absolutely no reason that the county couldn't just ignore the asshole. Ignoring the needs of people is government, especially local government's, primarily role.
@@preluded what's the address? I was planning a trip up that was after lockup ends, no way will I be spending my dollars in that county now.
Leo, I'm a planning and environmental lawyer in Australia. I'm seeing quite a few odd comments here. IMHO you should engage a competent, experienced lawyer to get you the breathing room you need to get the boat out of there. Let us all know what we can do to help. You have a lot of people backing you mate, keep going.
And an aggressive one. In these legal situations, it's usually best to fight fire with fire: i.e. sue and countersue.
Great comment. I agree entirely. It's sad he didn't see the multiple layers of writing on the wall and action this sooner. Brace the boat (if needed, which I sincerely doubt) and get it out of there ASAP.
Who else got interrested in boat building because of Tally Ho?
Totally. I had no interest before lol
Literally everyone who watches this series lol
I’ve had a major interest in boat builds.
Ended up finally building a tug boat for an Indianapolis barge company.
To watch the steel wood and cable come to life was a dream of mine come true.
and parrots
Acorn to Arabella first then Sampson shortly after.
You’re one of the nicest and most respectful people I’ve ever seen.
It sounds like this goes back a while, and makes me wonder if they would’ve complained if there weren’t prior disagreements.
You’re helping that community in so many ways. If you’re allowed to have supporters come to the hearing then I’d recommend that. I know that would be an awkward thing to ask of people, but it’s show how many people support this project. I’m not talking about your patreons, I mean the other neighbors, the local businesses you’ve purchased materials from, and even Pete as your providing jobs to the area.
Some people aren’t happy with their own lives, for whatever reason, so they attempt to make everyone around them as sad as they are. It’s similar to trolls on the internet.
Hopefully this gets solved! This is a great project!
“I’m sorry for the rant” - WHAT? That was a very polite, considered and comprehensive summary of your situation, which incidentally does not need any apologies, anyone who watches this (and isn’t looking for attack surfaces...) cares for you and your crew and the success of Tally Ho.
Would it be possible to turn the operation (not the ship!) into a charity, since you train people? Perhaps that might help.
Anyway, I hope you find sympathetic ears (and perhaps a local politician who supports you?) to get you to the point where you can focus on boat building again!!
Leo is British, as am I, I recognised his stiff upper lip as we say. My immediate thought was also setting up a charity.
As I said, Leo is not a yob, not a holligan, rather, and English gentleman through and through. Sometimes it's painful to hear him be so polite above all, but he is who he is and that's admirable.
They're pushing bureaucracy upon a Brit...they're about to eat it. Brits invented ques, they eat the system on bread.
I don't know if I could be so diplomatic, some people can be pure a** holes.
@Charles Martell Where are you from Charles?
I don't know about anyone else, but I have upped my Patreon pledge. This project is one of the rays of sunshine in this otherwise dark time. I urge anyone else with the means to do the same. I hopy Leo reads some of the advice given here. I and thousands of people are cheering you on and crossing every finger and toe we have that all goes well.
I doubled my monthly donation, even before I read your suggestion to help.
yes, I'll do de same. love the project from the beginning.
Jason please write Mary Winborn, Director of Community Development for Clallam County is the enforcement administrator behind this action. mwinborn@@t The other county official you may want to direct your note to is Mark Ozias County Commissioner for this area mozias@@t I have written them both. Mark was accommodating with a response and no response from Mary to date. Thanks, Tim Walls, Sequim resident and the 1st volunteer for Tally Ho.
Upped mine as well. I wanna see this project to fruition without anxiety. I also want to see the county get whooped by a good legal team.
The "Tally Ho" project has been and continues to be inspiring and fascinating to me. The educational factor is off the charts.
With every video I am more impressed with Leo's class, knowledge and patience. I hope it all works out.
Public hearing. Will a show of strength help? Give us the date and time.
GET as many of your neighbor's as you can to go to the hearing to support you.
There has to be a construction/real estate/small business lawyer watching Leo’s amazing (community) work who can offer pro bono assistance. I’ve seen it in other channels. Isn’t there a local MP equivalent (member of congress) who can offer their support?
Related to your problems with the county , it only takes one ( unhappy person) to get the government involved. Good luck .
Indeed, and unfortunately they are in a very difficult place. Politically.
@@charleschidester6767 no, not so much politically, these assholes can be dealt with. People who fling mud always have dirty ass hands, so just gotta put them dirty hands in the spotlight
Forge ahead Leo
Your constantly complaining, so called "neighbor" is a sad excuse of a human being. As demonstrated by the support of ALL other surrounding REAL neighbors. I have no doubt, that particular person is disliked by ALL the others around him or her. As to your county woes. This is how Americas greedy, jealous, crooked local politicians bilk and harass individuals.
Stupidity in calling one man, BUILDING a boat FOR HIMSELF a manufacturing company is the epitome of STUPIDITY. No doubt you will overcome this nonsense.
Isn't it disappointing to see that one person can manipulate the county to spend our tax dollars to execute their personal bias to pursue this case? What a spiteful mean spirted person.
Many partner operated the Fairhaven Boatworks in Bellingham for many years , has a degree in planning and was in city government. We are following you and he has some very specific advice for you, which will follow soon.
Stiff upper lip it will work out.
Leo, as a resident and tax paying member of the State of Washington, you have my personal and patreon support (as well as my surname) to help see you through the pressures involved in your project. I will write some letters and copy you appropriately. Cheers!
There’s a possible advantage to applying for the conditional use permit even if the county says they won’t approve it. If your application is disapproved you’ll have a right to appeal. Eventually this will go to a trial court which will have authority to tell the county it was wrong to deny your permit. Talk to a good zoning attorney. Don’t try to wing it. The money will be worth it.
The trial court may have that authority, but they wouldn't find for Leo, because the county have pulled the commercial nonsense, and they already have one residential complaint.
There's another advantage you're overlooking: This all takes TIME. If his lawyers can tie things up long enough, he can be ready to leave by the time they decide to "shut him down."
i agree, i work in planning and zoning and a lot of times the complaints are made and by the time we notify and call for a hearing time has passed and the problem goes away or the complaint goes away
@@dturner5901 LOL, that reminded me of when my grandfather was moving into his current place. He was way out of town, where mostly nobody cares about anything.
One day he was putting up a 6' chainlink fence around his property when a county inspector stopped to challenge him. He asked if he had a permit, and when he said he didn't inspector told him he'd better stop building the fence and get a permit as he'd be back to check.
He ignored the guy, finished with the fence, and that was almost 25 years ago. He never has been back. lol
@@farmingfromscratch that is a possibility. But my point is more generally that a court can deal with an unfriendly county zoning office by telling it it’s wrong. An appellate court can too if necessary. I’m not familiar with zoning laws in Leo’s area, but it’s curious that the county seems to be putting so much significance on the fact that there’s a Patreon account to prove his actions amount to an industry. Imagine a person posting videos of their baking projects. Perfectly legal. If they later start a Patreon account for the same activity does that transform their work into a possibly prohibited home business? Maybe, but probably not based only on the existence of the Patreon account. Wouldn’t the county want to know whether the baker was selling cakes to customers, advertising, etc? If I understand the county’s correspondence (no guarantee) it seems his activities are permissible EXCEPT FOR his Patreon account. My take away is whether a Patreon account is the determinative factor is likely a matter of legal interpretation, and that’s where appellate courts reign. If you can afford to get your case to an appellate court. And if the law allows for a colorable argument.
Out of everyone here, there has to be a really good lawyer or someone's friend who is that will help. We need you fresh and focused on Tally Ho not with your mind on legals issues. Great video again so good to see the planking, wat till that deck goes on!
It's hard to believe the county can't see the bigger picture and a little respect for this incredible undertaking by Leo. What is the reasoning to stop a man from doing something extraordinary? Why not help such a man, life is short and people out there like Leo are reminding us all of the old strength that we seem to be losing sight of. Who would step in the way of that? The guy isn't out there dumping oil into the earth or running an animal slaughter factory, he's just building a boat, made of wood, on private property. I feel very strongly about this, let the man build!
I second that emotion
Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and this particular neighbor seems to be quite squeaky 🤬
Leo, I will be back in Port Townsend Monday Evening, my boat is currently about 300' from Pete's shop.
If you need anything at all I will be more than happy to pitch in. Seeing what the county is doing makes me mad as hell, and they are stupid for doing it, they ought to be capitalizing on what you are doing using it as an opportunity to bring people and investment into their community, rather they are trying to exert powerful.
I think enough people would be willing to make the drive up there to have a massive protest, if it came to that.
This just makes me sick what they are doing to you.
When is the hearing?...I’ll be more than happy to attend and attest to the value of the project to the community...the world community.
@@JackHudler Republicans run city and county. County is who is coming after the project.
I’m in seattle and will be willing to help join/organize a rally
Can you identify the elected official who could find a workable solution but won't and disclose their bad behavior to people in the area who can vote in the county.
Leo, you are a gentleman and a diplomat. Most people would rant a rave and say all kids of nasty things, yet you have a sympathetic side to those who are fighting against you. Keep up the good wholesome work and know that THIS (TH-cam) community supports you 100%.
"home based industry"? I think that is pretty much everyone at this point. This is clearly model-boat building. 1-1 scale.
Maybe he should just start constructing the bottle around it to really prove the point. It's obviously just a model.
Does that include anyone that runs an Amway business out of their basement????
So, building a house next door and having, say a table saw set up in the front yard while building..... is that a “home based industry” 🤷♂️ sounds like a stretch from the county to me...
Special whiskey plank video. Special announcement on TH-cam 2 to 3 days before so everyone is ready. Maybe even a live stream 🤔
Maybe my understanding of the word is wrong, but isn't industry supposed to produce physical products? And regardless if it's inside or out?
Him making videos about building the boat is a buisness, sure. But the boat isn't on sale afterwards and once it's built, there's going to be no moreboat building on that property.
With those rules someone running a foundry inside the shop wouldn't be an industry, but making a video about how he built his garden shed would run an industry? Weird...
I really encourage everyone who hasn't already done so to rewiew or check out all videos Leo has made since specially the beginning of this story. Fo myself, I see again all épisodes since the first ones which specially in the beginning here denote an amazing mental strenght and courage to face alone the difficulties. These first ones are the best épisodes that reveal the soul of the whole story. Thus it is understood all love and courage in his honorable mission. And that will give even more meaning, more reasons why we have to help him and the merit he has we support him specially in these difficult times. Philippe from Tahiti
I think its good you've explained the situation, hopefully common sense prevails
Common sense and government rarely meet at the intersection of sanity.
I once built a small sailboat. I finished it and sailed it for years. I learned a lot about life while building and sailing the boat. What a delight to set my first broad reach! Learning how to point into the wind was great fun! Remember, a sail boat is at its best when sailing against the wind!!!! Get an attorney!!
There has to be a lawyer who is watching this and willing to help in a good cause.
It needs to be a lawyer from the area, not just a good lawyer. For county / zoning, its all about the personal relationships.
@@RogerThatSailing thus the failing of bureaucracy: to hell with common sense and decency, it's all "sorry I don't write the rules" right up until they literally just decide shit.
Yeyyy thanks
Lawyers are part of the problem, Leo needs Natural Law.
@@farmingfromscratch or the law of the land where you go hand to hand with the cry baby neighbor until their's only one left breathing.
Leo, I have not heard from my State Senator, Ms. Patty Murray, I sent a request to Her Office yesterday. However there is much happening in Our Nations Capital right now. I will keep pressing, GodSpeed and don't despair. You Got FRIENDS!!!
Cotact the Peninsula News. Local Newspaper. Link in on their website. Look under the county Leo listed.
Don't even have a phone conversation with these people without a lawyer present.
This neighbour and the way the County is dealing with their complaint just boggles the mind! I am so sorry to learn about this, shutting down the Tally Ho project is just nuts!
Leftism corruption burocrats are the real rats.
@@jerryglen986 really Jerry ? Why would you put it in those terms? There's no left or right in common decency. Leave the politics for your Moose lodge meetings.
@@stellarluna2637 Government is by definition politics, like it or not. If someone has any common decency they try to work things out without involving the government first.
@@help8help I was referring to his "leftist" comment but thanks for the polysci lesson..
@@stellarluna2637 I was referring to the absolute lack of common decency leftists have.
I’m a lawyer, but I’m not licensed to practice in Washington. However, I have an idea. I haven’t been a Patreon supporter to date, but my financial situation has improved recently, so I plan to support going forward. It sounds like Leo can still accept financial support through Patreon for a period of time. My idea is to have all the Patreon supporters (myself included) pay Leo all (or as much as they can afford) of the Patreon support they expect to pay over the next year (or whatever period of time Leo believes is required to get the boat ready to move) before he is required to stop accepting Patreon support. We can even contribute more in a lump sum than we’d have paid in installments, if we can afford it. That will give him the funding he will need for the period required without having to continue to accept Patreon support for a period of time, thus allowing him to both comply with county requirements and have the funding and support he needs until he can restart his Patreon account. What do all you Patron supporters think of this idea?
If they’ve said close down patreon, can we use the youtube equivalent and gofundme and still comply? Or could we donate to the Albert Strange society that could fund a boat of significance.
Welcome to America, their systems are different. My uncle faced something similar in LA when he built a house there. He had to sue the city for them to hook up the water line. When he asked his neighbors how to get the city to hook it up, they all said the same thing. Sue them, and they will hook it up as settlement. As weird and backwards as it may seem, you may want to higher a lawyer and sue the county.
Leo, you need to recognise that the county is doing everything in their power to shut you down. For whatever reason, they don't want you there. No amount of talking nice or being polite is going to solve this. You NEED to get a lawyer to help you prepare for this hearing. Best of luck.
You're right Dave, the county is gunning, the only option for Leo is Natural Law, it over rides all this legal BS
Don't hire a lawyer.... pay a good lawyer to give you legal advice. Once you hire a lawyer you have agreed to the Admiralty jurisdiction and don't have a fighting chance. A legal advisor can sit with you at your hearing snd not even have to give his name. To speak for yourself and exchange notes. This really will show the kangaroo trainers you are in control snd mean serious trouble for them. They are way overstepping their jurisdiction.
Just to be clear, my comment was intended as a wake-up call to Leo about the realities of the county's actions against him and the seriousness of the matter. It was not intended as a starting point for conspiracy nuts to debate their uninformed views. Thankyou. Genuine knowledge ONLY would be much appreciated.
@@konaono good advice, Leo must take a quick crash course on Natural Law and what the legal system is.
Lawyer’s are rats
For those that have the means, a larger one-time donation (via the PayPal link on Leo's website), might be a good idea .... in case the patreon account needs to come down for a while. I just gave what I could
Did a Google Map of Sequim, WA using aerial view. There are several home businesses. Ask if they are being targeted. If they aren’t you can claim targeted prosecution.
Yes!
If they have jumped through all the hoops by obtaining conditional use permits, but Leo hasn't, then I don't see that being an avenue. Instead, I should think the path would be to obtain a reversal of the "home-based business" finding on the grounds that historical preservation of a single boat does not amount to a "business" at all, because businesses are an ongoing effort to earn income. If Leo were setting up shop to restore boats indefinitely, then he would have a home based business.
@@todmills
That was my point exactly! [I posted a separate comment] so I agree, the counties legal stand seems shaky at best if not completely off base?
@@todmills Just because you are a non-profit, it doesn’t exempt you from operating a business from your home. Many things come into play when you are a home based business. People and trucks coming and going, etc. all the people working from home because of the pandemic are an example of not upsetting the home setting. I believe he he has several avenues to pursue to argue and win his case. I looked at the county zoning rules for where he lives. The zoning commission is made up of volunteers, not professionals.
@@levinef "The zoning commission is made up of volunteers, not professionals." Volunteers are worse than the bureaucrats. They're virtually always power hungry wimps.
I wrote Lester Holt at NBC nightly news. Suggested they do a story on Leo.
Try Fox news. The Marxist channels are useless.
True .. but really try other channels as well. This guy's in county must be comunists ideologically to ban project because of one person in community has bad days.
@@alexandermenzies9954 - it baffles my mind how a sane person with a basic level of education would link NBC with marxism. Oh, wait...
@@steve1978ger don't you know? All those other channels have a 5 minute segment at the beginning of each newscast where they just have a picture of Marx on the screen where you have to sing Le Internationale and then pledge allegiance to BLM and Antifa while giving the screen a certain "roman style" salute.
After I wrote that I realized I have to put a disclaimer here (disclaimer none of the above is true!) because it sounds fairly close to some of the things these nutjobs come up with. It's really weird living in different realities.
No this is not acceptable, i myself had a neighbor trying to put my whole buisness down (wich was there for 20 or something years already) have won the lawsuit but i gave me so much stress and the neighbor just did it because he was bored or something and just to give me a pain in the ass because my other neighbors didnt have any noice or problems. Really breaks my hearth seeing this happen to you, its a sad world we live in.
@Charles Martell haha so true, prob even sue the ice because its melting to fast...
I think that because this is a temporary project I hope he can argue to be allowed another 6 months to get the boat to a stage where it can be moved to a place nearer the sea that wants to help a worthy cause. regards
@@garyc5483 i hope that will be the outcome too
@Charles Martell Pinquin farts cure Covid.
The process is the punishment. Saul Alinsky
The reconstruction of Tally Ho is part of the strongest of traditions in the Northwest. We all need to send emails and letters to the local media and county board in support of Leo (with a capital "L").
Agreed
Can you offer a contact to email? I'm in the UK. What's the local radio and TV channels?
@@srneal22 I'd email Leo directly to see if thats the route he advises. His email is on his website.
The county sounds like a lovely bunch of people. They have inspired me to become a patreon.
Rowan's little smirk after they resolved the measurement error cracked me right up. He seems like an absolute treat to work with. Always giggling and goofing around I love it
I would get the local news involved. Youre restoring a piece of history and they have the nerve to try and stop this. I really wish I was a local lawyer....I'd take care of this pro Bono my friend.
County, if you're reading this.....have a heart and cut this guy a break.
Or else find yourselves out of work, in short order.
What get's me is the fact that they seem to have taken the time to look through your video's and see what you are doing and they still decided that it needed to be stopped! There's so much wrong with this world, but these type of people - who I can only surmise, were never shown love by their parents, just have hate in their hearts and just want to still shut it down. Its funny how good people, doing an wholesome activity, and training the next generation of boat builders are viewed as such a threat by these small group of small minded people. Evil does exist - and this is what it looks like. All the best Leo!
It's all about the money. The bureaucrats need to justify their jobs and it seems they don't care how much they have to spend in order to do so.
I would apply for the permit, if they deny then appeal. Please bring an attorney to the hearing. Best wishes!
Passed a car today with the NH license plate TALLYHO. Refreshing even if it was a coincidence.
I've just sent this to Councillor Dennis Smith on Sequim Council
Dear Dennis,
I’m writing to you, as a Sequim councillor, from London, England, and as an ordinary member of the public with a passing interest in sailing. I could equally easily have been writing to you from Los Angeles, Glasgow, Cape Cod, Paris, Munich, Beijing, Dakkar, Buenos Aires, New York, Tokyo and just about anywhere else in the world, because, I am, like hundreds of thousands of others, worldwide, an online follower and supporter of the Tally Ho! project currently unfolding in Sequim.
This project could not be more deserving of Sequim Council support. This project has created apprenticeships for traditional craft boat builders, and bought trade, employment and commerce to the town, even in these difficult times. It has revitalised a wooden boat building industry that is on the verge of being lost forever. It has put Sequim on the map internationally, in Europe, Asia, Australia, the Far East and the Americas, as a destination of choice, and I absolutely guarantee that ten thousand people will appear in Sequim on the day that Tally Ho! is launched into the Pacific, and hundreds of thousands of us are now fully appraised of the wonderful landscape in the region and the generosity and hospitality of the residents, as a result of Leo’s boat building and project management skills, enterprise, initiative and hard work.
However it now seems that Sequim is about to become a worldwide laughing stock for all the wrong reasons. I was utterly mortified to discover that Sequim Council is doing its utmost to bring the Tally Ho! project to a halt when it should be doing everything in its power to assist. I won’t even begin to describe the bureaucratic mummification which the Council has wrapped around the project, including multiple layers of alleged zoning and coding violations, with threats of attendant fines that will break the project, if not withdrawn, other than to say that it seems to have been going on for months, although Leo Goulden, the project creator, never said a word, until now, when, its seems, the council, acting on the whim of a single complainant, about something or other - who knows? - is about to deliver the coup de grace to the project.
I understand there is a council meeting coming up shortly when the final decision will be taken, on whether to halt the project, or allow it to proceed. There is nothing that I, along with hundreds of thousands of others, worldwide, can say or do to compel you to support this project, but the one thing I can invite you to do is have regard for your own mission statement, particularly the regard to the references to integrity, positive attitude and leadership, which, in what I understand is the Sequim Year of Kindness, I am attaching below.
Very best wishes,
Danny Israel.
I found funny that you mentioned Buenos Aires, the city where I'm native from and from where I'm supporting this project.
I found my own voice in your writing. Thanks!
@@leonarperro Hi Leon, thanks. We know Buenos Aires very well as we are tango dancers and teachers as well as sailors, and have spent perhaps two years in San Telmo, Palermo, Florida, etc in total. Wonderful city...
Danny, great note. Mary Winborn, Director of Community Development for Clallam County is the enforcement administrator behind this action. mwinborn@co.clallam.wa.us The other county official you may want to direct your note to is Mark Ozias County Commissioner for this area mozias@co.clallam.wa.us I have written them both. Mark was accommodating with a response and no response from Mary to date. Thanks, Tim Walls, Sequim resident and the 1st volunteer for Tally Ho.
@@tw6955 thanks so much. Will do.