Impressive brother love this tertorial how To nice really nice.love the sauce line😊 .Well done my friend and catching up with some of your stuff .well done my friend 🤙🤘👊The G Man🙏
I enjoy watching you,I find it all very interesting.. This is something I would never do but I still like to learn a multitude of different things . oh and I picked up on the acid comment too. Lol
There is a big difference between wet cleaning and soaking, during a wet clean the cover of the comic is dampened on one side, if you feel the underside of the cover it will generally be dry to the touch. Afterwards a steam and a hot press is generally used, the air drying generally takes less then ten minutes. On the other hand when I soak a comic cover I absolutely let it dry in a cold press and that can sometimes take anywhere from 4 to 8 hours depending on the thickness of the paper, though I will generally let it stay in a cold press for over 24 hours.
Thank you. I am not sure why the description of wet cleaning and soaking was given, but I agree. Paranoid? Did you think I was talking about you? I wasn't.
Paper fibers also want to weave together like fabric fibers generally in one dimension. When it air drys, it gets the chance to shrink/pull in one dimension and you get ripples and warping. The cold press and blotting works to help the paper to dry evenly and remain flat.
Ooo… so exciting to see this process. The water definitely looks milkier to me. Nighttiger is one of the best and a great friend. Thanks again for all your efforts. 👏
Your welcome. I have to say that so far this is one of the best results of a book I worked on so far. I peeked at the results this morning and I am happy. Not happy enough though because off camera I focused on a few troubled spots and soaked the cover one more time. It is currently drying now. Stay tuned!
so I just watched this video for some tips ..... and you said "I have tasted acid, if you know what I'm talkin' about" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! way to sneak that one in there :)
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 ahh that is good yeah i would like to get a gray label! especially on an old silver or especially golden age goodie thanks jerry for what you do for the comic space
Thank you for supporting the channel. The answer is yes. You can use the Reemay for quite sometime on different applications. Once the Reemay starts to unweave with the fibers time to put in the trash.
If I recall correctly it was a gallon. Please check out my newer uploads in relation to the X-Men 1 I am working on because I share an alternate method. Stay tuned and thank you for supporting the channel.
Hello Great work...... I am wondering what type of "Reemay Paper" are you using? as there are multiple thicknesses for this paper.... - Reemay 2014: 51inches (130 cm) wide, .010 mil thick. 34 gsm. - Reemay 2024: 36 inches (92 cm) wide, .012 mil thick. 71 gsm. - Reemay 2250: 36 inches (92 cm) wide, .005 mil thick. 19 gsm. 2) How many times would you wash the cover with distilled water before a cold press?
Thank you for stopping by. I have each thickness mentioned. Depending on what I am doing warrants which Reemay I use. When ever I flush a document out with fresh water I will do a minimum of three times. My philosophy now is what chemicals you put in you must take out unless it is deacidification. Thanks for stopping by!
Thank you! I buy Reemay Paper called reemay nonwoven fabrics through the Museum Services Corporation online. Google them and they will come right up. Good luck!
Thanks for the suggestion and stopping by. I am trying to use all plastic because I want to eliminate the chance of any rust or paint chips being transferred to the water or interacting with the calcium hydroxide and methyl cellulose. Thanks again my friend.
Great stuff - couple of questions - how much water did you add to the methyl cellulose and calcium hydroxide, and then how much water did you have in the soaking bath ?
Thanks for your question. The amount of water I initially added I did not calculate. I add just enough water to dissolve the powder. My bath tub is 5 gallons. I filled up a little lower than half way so the estimate is about two (2) gallons of water. The process is not an exact science so give or take some water is ok in my experience. Thanks again.
Thank you for creating this tutorial, I found it very informative. If I am not mistaken methyl cellulose is only soluble in cold water, but I'm going by memory and may be wrong. I have a question for you in regards to #1 How long of a rinse do you provide, and #2 How long is your typical dry time under your cold press? Thank you in advance, and keep up the good work.
Thank you for stopping by. Depending on the period of book the general rule is about ten to twenty minutes. When I dry my pages I do so until completely dry. Some times it can take up twenty four hours. It is very important to change the paper towels frequently as well as using reemay paper.
The process displayed in the upload requires the removal of the cover. I have many uploads how to remove covers. Please check them out. Thanks for stopping by my friend.
Is there anyway to do this process without removing the cover and soaking it fully? Possibly using less water and making more of a paste with the chemicals. And then wiping it down with water and a makeup pad? I'm trying to clean a comic with a primarily white cover that has some shadowing around the edges. But would like to avoid disassembling the cover. Your thoughts?
Hello Jason. It depends on how aggressive you need to get and what issue you are trying to solve with wet cleaning. With very light strokes, you can use a damp makeup pad with just water to remove surface dirt, then cold press to dry. Jerry is soaking to try to lessen browning from general acid effects in the paper, lessen or remove past water/liquid staining, and to reduce/neutralize the remaining acid in the paper. Always practice on multiple similar 50 cent/dollar bin books to learn what works for you.
Hello Jerry !! I have tried this method with an interior page and after 30 minutes the paper was completely yellow, like it was tanned everywhere. Do you know what could have caused it and if there is a way to bring it back the way it's suppose to be ?? Thanks !!! :)
Appreciate you supporting the channel. Can you give a little more information. Also did you rinse the page out after the bath? If you would like you can send me some pictures on Instagram so I can see the results.
Thank you. I am uncertain. I have a few books at CGC now that were cleaned with this process. Anticipating the results hopefully shortly because CGC is quite fast in their turnover. 😉. My educated conservative prediction would maybe a conserved label. CGC guidelines state that cover cleaning and deacidification is allowed for a conserved grade provided the work is an “A-1” designation.
My understanding is that the cleaning may be considered Conserved versus Restoration. However I am dealing with CGC now regarding the Whiz Comics 107 and the worked performed must be designated at a quality scale of "A" and a quantity scale of "1" Thanks for stopping by.
Please following my thumbnails. I have specific uploads where I purchase my supplies in detail. Either Talas or Museum Services Corporation. Good luck and thank you for supporting the channel. Stay tuned.
Always educational. Out of curiosity, does the Remay paper have any wicking action to assist in the drying process, or is it all just natural evaporation from between the glass?
The Reemay paper I don't believe has any wicking action (I looked up what wicking is Hahaha). The Reemay papers purpose is to protect the cover. The drying between the glass is out first blotting by the pressure of the glass and weights and then through evaporation. This is why I change the paper towels frequently. Every time they are changed the less wet they feel and the more dryer the cover looks and feels. The key is to let the document dry under pressure and naturally. Thanks for your question.
Im just curious, I've used some different solutions to clean very dirty areas of a comic and noticed that on the white areas it takes the gloss off (doesn't affect areas with colors). Did you experience any gloss loss on some of the white areas? Love your videos by the way. Thanks.
This is an amazing technique. However anytime you are trying to do a restoration of a paper product and you are introducing chemicals into the equation, your primarily ingredient is water. That needs to be the purest form of water you can use. Using ordinary tap water is subjective at best. Why? Because each County City, state uses different methods to purify water. I believe in this instance using Distilled water may have been your best bet, using paper towels is good but a more lint fee solution like heavy duty shop towels might be a better solution. As far as your press is concerned, this may require a little more experimentation, possibly a slightly warmed sheet of glass? or maybe a small heating element? The weights are a cheap way to keep the pressure on but glass does flex and placing more weight in the center might be achieving an uneven weight distribution, but who knows it might be the ideal way to funnel the moisture out.
Wow you provided a lot of information. It is greatly appreciated and I thank you for stopping by. Please take a look at more of my uploads and I am sure they will answer your questions and comments. In the past I used distilled water, but proved impractical because of the water volume I use. Also I have a state of the art whole house filtration system which helps the process. In relation to the paper towels they never come into contact with the paper I am working on, rather the Reemay paper that is over and under the comic. Finally my cold press is just the first step to a long procedure which is followed by heat pressing and then once again cold pressing. Thanks for stopping by! P.S. My glass plates don’t flex. They are over 1 inch thick.
If you were to place the paper towels directly on the cover. I have the cover sandwiched between Reemay paper which prevents that. Thanks for stopping by.
Impressive brother love this tertorial how To nice really nice.love the sauce line😊 .Well done my friend and catching up with some of your stuff .well done my friend 🤙🤘👊The G Man🙏
Thank you my friend. Try to be a little funny. Haha
Love watching you improve comic books. Learning soooo much!
Thank you kindly. Your support is truly appreciated
Great paper conservation info and tips for flat comic repair. Thanks for all your vids.
Glad you like them! Thank you for watching!
That liquid solution was definitely murky. Thanks for the great information/show!
Thank you!
Awesome video Jerry!! 👍 Great work so far on the cover! 🤘
Thank you my friend!
Thanks for sharing this was awesome to watch !!!
Thank you my friend for watching.
Jerry-you hide the calcium in the coffee can🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can not wait to see the results. Always seeing something new when you do this. Have a great weekend
Thanks James.
I enjoy watching you,I find it all very interesting.. This is something I would never do but I still like to learn a multitude of different things . oh and I picked up on the acid comment too. Lol
There is a big difference between wet cleaning and soaking, during a wet clean the cover of the comic is dampened on one side, if you feel the underside of the cover it will generally be dry to the touch. Afterwards a steam and a hot press is generally used, the air drying generally takes less then ten minutes. On the other hand when I soak a comic cover I absolutely let it dry in a cold press and that can sometimes take anywhere from 4 to 8 hours depending on the thickness of the paper, though I will generally let it stay in a cold press for over 24 hours.
Thank you. I am not sure why the description of wet cleaning and soaking was given, but I agree. Paranoid? Did you think I was talking about you? I wasn't.
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 just wanted to clear it up for the viewers.
@@KollectingKaos thank you. Maybe we should do a joint project.
Paper fibers also want to weave together like fabric fibers generally in one dimension. When it air drys, it gets the chance to shrink/pull in one dimension and you get ripples and warping. The cold press and blotting works to help the paper to dry evenly and remain flat.
Awesome stuff Jerry!
I'd never have the patience to clean comic books...thanks for sharing!
Thank you Jean!
Awesome, first time I've come this close to chemicals needed, those conservation people don't share :-) Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the shout out, brother. I'm enjoying the Daredevil/Metarog series immensely. You'll be a thousand subscribers before you know it.
Thank you Mike!
Very nice job. It is amazing to watch!
Much appreciated. Stay tuned my friend.
Comics, Corvettes, and white powder... "Say hello to my little friend!"
Great process jerry I def did see a color change from the deacidification process
Thank you Marc.
Purely amazing to see the process.
Can not wait for the next upload.
Thank you my friend. Stay tuned.
“De-ass-i-fi-ca-tion”
Rear end removal? Jokes aside, this is huge if it works. Need some side by side close up shots in the next video.
Will do. Thanks for stopping by.
Looking forward to seeing the results.
Thank you!
Ooo… so exciting to see this process. The water definitely looks milkier to me. Nighttiger is one of the best and a great friend. Thanks again for all your efforts. 👏
Your welcome. I have to say that so far this is one of the best results of a book I worked on so far. I peeked at the results this morning and I am happy. Not happy enough though because off camera I focused on a few troubled spots and soaked the cover one more time. It is currently drying now. Stay tuned!
Oh, stop Roger you're making me blush 😊
The results are simply amazing.
@@nighttigercomics7323 Only stated the truth. I’m very blessed to call you friend.
@@metarog thanks brother.
I love watching your work……👍
Appreciate the kind words my friend!
so I just watched this video for some tips ..... and you said "I have tasted acid, if you know what I'm talkin' about" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! way to sneak that one in there :)
Hello my good friend another awesome video
Thank you friend from Japan!
Really cool. And yes you could see the water was very dirty. I couldn't see a difference yet went. Of course. But looks like alotta love
Thank you Mike. Stay tuned my friend
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 you know it buddy
Awesome work
Thank you my friend. Appreciate you watching.
Nice man. But would this get a purple restored label from cgc nowadays?
Thank you for watching. If done correctly CGC allows cover cleaning under the Conserved Grade.
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 ahh that is good yeah i would like to get a gray label! especially on an old silver or especially golden age goodie
thanks jerry for what you do for the comic space
This is so counter-intuitive. Everyone knows water is the enemy of paper, but results are telling.
You said it so it must be true. Thank you for watching.
Great video. Can you reuse the reemay paper, or is it use once and discard?
Thank you for supporting the channel. The answer is yes. You can use the Reemay for quite sometime on different applications. Once the Reemay starts to unweave with the fibers time to put in the trash.
Hi. How much water did you have in the vessel when you dumped the chemicals in?
If I recall correctly it was a gallon. Please check out my newer uploads in relation to the X-Men 1 I am working on because I share an alternate method. Stay tuned and thank you for supporting the channel.
What happened to the finished product, all dried and put back together?
Yes sir. To watch the rest please follow the thumbnails. Stay tuned my friend and thank you for supporting the channel.
Has a video been posted showing the results?
Yes sir. Please follow the thumbnail.
Awesome video my friend
Thanks for your support
Hello
Great work......
I am wondering what type of "Reemay Paper" are you using? as there are multiple thicknesses for this paper....
- Reemay 2014: 51inches (130 cm) wide, .010 mil thick. 34 gsm.
- Reemay 2024: 36 inches (92 cm) wide, .012 mil thick. 71 gsm.
- Reemay 2250: 36 inches (92 cm) wide, .005 mil thick. 19 gsm.
2) How many times would you wash the cover with distilled water before a cold press?
Thank you for stopping by. I have each thickness mentioned. Depending on what I am doing warrants which Reemay I use. When ever I flush a document out with fresh water I will do a minimum of three times. My philosophy now is what chemicals you put in you must take out unless it is deacidification. Thanks for stopping by!
Great video. Gives me confident to give it a try. 1 question, where does one get the reemay paper? Thanks again for the step by step
Thank you! I buy Reemay Paper called reemay nonwoven fabrics through the Museum Services Corporation online. Google them and they will come right up. Good luck!
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 Awesome thank you for sharing
Those grates are great for humidification but you may wish to switch to window screens when you submerge
Thank you. I will link into it.
Why hot? I think both ingredients are more soluble in cold water.
When I mix them now I use room temperature water that does work better. Thank you for watching.
Would large binder clips help instead of bolts? Seems they would be easier
Thanks for the suggestion and stopping by. I am trying to use all plastic because I want to eliminate the chance of any rust or paint chips being transferred to the water or interacting with the calcium hydroxide and methyl cellulose. Thanks again my friend.
Great stuff - couple of questions - how much water did you add to the methyl cellulose and calcium hydroxide, and then how much water did you have in the soaking bath ?
Thanks for your question. The amount of water I initially added I did not calculate. I add just enough water to dissolve the powder. My bath tub is 5 gallons. I filled up a little lower than half way so the estimate is about two (2) gallons of water. The process is not an exact science so give or take some water is ok in my experience. Thanks again.
That was great Jerry. I love seeing the different stages. Excellent content as usual sir. #keepitcasual #fullwatch #growtogether
Thanks Gary. Always a little concerned about the longer uploads because we are all busy with life and there is so much great content out there.
where can i get a grate or plastic thingy w holes.. all i can find are pricey steel ones
Home Depot. They are in the drop ceiling section.
Home Depot. They are in the drop ceiling section. Thanks for stopping by.
I am curious, have you ever disassembled an otherwise solid book to clean a cover?
Yes I have. I have a few uploads on my channel. Please check them out and thank you for your support!
Thank you for creating this tutorial, I found it very informative. If I am not mistaken methyl cellulose is only soluble in cold water, but I'm going by memory and may be wrong. I have a question for you in regards to #1 How long of a rinse do you provide, and #2 How long is your typical dry time under your cold press? Thank you in advance, and keep up the good work.
Thank you for stopping by. Depending on the period of book the general rule is about ten to twenty minutes. When I dry my pages I do so until completely dry. Some times it can take up twenty four hours. It is very important to change the paper towels frequently as well as using reemay paper.
Oh man I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Thank you my friend.
I can't find that Remain paper anywhere???? Is that the correct name even if I Google it it doesn't come up
Thank you for watching. It is Reemay Paper. Good luck.
Does this work with just normal books? I have some rare ones with stains.
I would need a little more information my friend
What if the cover of the comic is stained but it's firmly attached do I wash the entire comic
The process displayed in the upload requires the removal of the cover. I have many uploads how to remove covers. Please check them out. Thanks for stopping by my friend.
No end result photo?
The end results are shown. There are approximately 20 uploads in relation to the book. Enjoy and thank you for stopping by.
Is there anyway to do this process without removing the cover and soaking it fully? Possibly using less water and making more of a paste with the chemicals. And then wiping it down with water and a makeup pad? I'm trying to clean a comic with a primarily white cover that has some shadowing around the edges. But would like to avoid disassembling the cover. Your thoughts?
Hello Jason. It depends on how aggressive you need to get and what issue you are trying to solve with wet cleaning. With very light strokes, you can use a damp makeup pad with just water to remove surface dirt, then cold press to dry. Jerry is soaking to try to lessen browning from general acid effects in the paper, lessen or remove past water/liquid staining, and to reduce/neutralize the remaining acid in the paper. Always practice on multiple similar 50 cent/dollar bin books to learn what works for you.
Hello Jerry !! I have tried this method with an interior page and after 30 minutes the paper was completely yellow, like it was tanned everywhere. Do you know what could have caused it and if there is a way to bring it back the way it's suppose to be ?? Thanks !!! :)
Appreciate you supporting the channel. Can you give a little more information. Also did you rinse the page out after the bath? If you would like you can send me some pictures on Instagram so I can see the results.
Very cool. So this process will remove the foxing and tanning and also strengthen the paper? Will the comic be able to get a blue label?
Thank you. I am uncertain. I have a few books at CGC now that were cleaned with this process. Anticipating the results hopefully shortly because CGC is quite fast in their turnover. 😉. My educated conservative prediction would maybe a conserved label. CGC guidelines state that cover cleaning and deacidification is allowed for a conserved grade provided the work is an “A-1” designation.
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 Hi Jerry, Did you managed to get the results?
What kind of paper are we covering the book with I keep hearing remain paper but I have never heard of that.
Thank you for the question. It is called Reemay paper. It is sold at the Museum Services Corporation or TALAs on line.
Where did you get the plastic grates from?
Home Depot drop ceiling section. They are drop ceiling light inserts. Thank you for watching and stay tuned. Appreciate a sub as well.
Thank you!@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098
Awesome Video! Question: Would CGC label this as restoration if you decide to get it graded?
My understanding is that the cleaning may be considered Conserved versus Restoration. However I am dealing with CGC now regarding the Whiz Comics 107 and the worked performed must be designated at a quality scale of "A" and a quantity scale of "1" Thanks for stopping by.
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 Ok. Keep me updated on what they say if ya can. Thanks Jerry.
They will not give a blue label!
@@FernandoGon814 thank you. It may be given a blue label with a grey strip on top in the form of conserved. Thanks again for stopping by.
where do you buy your reemay paper?
Please following my thumbnails. I have specific uploads where I purchase my supplies in detail. Either Talas or Museum Services Corporation. Good luck and thank you for supporting the channel. Stay tuned.
Always educational. Out of curiosity, does the Remay paper have any wicking action to assist in the drying process, or is it all just natural evaporation from between the glass?
The Reemay paper I don't believe has any wicking action (I looked up what wicking is Hahaha). The Reemay papers purpose is to protect the cover. The drying between the glass is out first blotting by the pressure of the glass and weights and then through evaporation. This is why I change the paper towels frequently. Every time they are changed the less wet they feel and the more dryer the cover looks and feels. The key is to let the document dry under pressure and naturally. Thanks for your question.
Im just curious, I've used some different solutions to clean very dirty areas of a comic and noticed that on the white areas it takes the gloss off (doesn't affect areas with colors). Did you experience any gloss loss on some of the white areas? Love your videos by the way. Thanks.
Thank you very much. I am glad you enjoy my uploads. Are you spot cleaning the cover with your solutions?
Fantastic job Jerry, love the progress how you do it. I'm sure it's a tedious process but well worth it. Thanks for showing it. 👍✌
Thanks Slim, much appreciated. I hope you enjoyed your vacation.
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 Vacation was fun but always to short. 😅
This is an amazing technique. However anytime you are trying to do a restoration of a paper product and you are introducing chemicals into the equation, your primarily ingredient is water. That needs to be the purest form of water you can use. Using ordinary tap water is subjective at best. Why? Because each County City, state uses different methods to purify water.
I believe in this instance using Distilled water may have been your best bet, using paper towels is good but a more lint fee solution like heavy duty shop towels might be a better solution. As far as your press is concerned, this may require a little more experimentation, possibly a slightly warmed sheet of glass? or maybe a small heating element? The weights are a cheap way to keep the pressure on but glass does flex and placing more weight in the center might be achieving an uneven weight distribution, but who knows it might be the ideal way to funnel the moisture out.
Wow you provided a lot of information. It is greatly appreciated and I thank you for stopping by. Please take a look at more of my uploads and I am sure they will answer your questions and comments. In the past I used distilled water, but proved impractical because of the water volume I use. Also I have a state of the art whole house filtration system which helps the process. In relation to the paper towels they never come into contact with the paper I am working on, rather the Reemay paper that is over and under the comic. Finally my cold press is just the first step to a long procedure which is followed by heat pressing and then once again cold pressing. Thanks for stopping by! P.S. My glass plates don’t flex. They are over 1 inch thick.
@@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 Nice! Thanks! perfect response! You sire are a gentleman.
Isn't there a risk of the bounty sticking to the cover?
If you were to place the paper towels directly on the cover. I have the cover sandwiched between Reemay paper which prevents that. Thanks for stopping by.
I need to order these chemicals and try this
Good luck Andrew!
You know this is my favorite, cringiest part of the process.
Thank you! Stay tuned.
Completely nugatory!
Why thank you for your opinion.
Much like your comment.
Acid taste like 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahahaha. You picked that up! Thank you for stopping by and stay tuned!