Excellent, as usual! I've only experimented up through 12 hours and it turns out that a longer duration wasn't of value anyway. Also haven't ventured above 3% H202, which brings me to a question of whether the trade off between whiter whites at 12% is worth stiffer paper vs. 3% whites and paper quality. My initial thought is that, considering the work necessary to restore paper integrity if paper gets too stiff and potentially brittle, it's best to go with a lower concentration. Which brings to mind 1.5%, which I frequently use, and 6%. Time to run more experiments here, it seems. I quite like using ONLY light, though -- it's much more effective than one would think. Though I find it's not as effective against heavy tanning as H202 + light. Tide lines are giving me the biggest headache at the moment .. not because I've got a ton of them on my books, but because they can be so very fussy about leaving. The washer arrived TODAY, though, so my first foray into moving shorelines begins tonight. Thanks again, Rick!
Keep us updated Ed, I’m excited for you! I put so many dozens of hours into developing that and going back to the drawing board that I eagerly anticipate your feedback. Keeping it under $500 for the lights plus washer was my initial goal and I honestly thought I’d never get there. In the future look for other additions that you can add yourself like the corona spark igniter for the ozone chamber and the azeotropic alcohol humidity chamber to restore flexibility to the paper.
12 hours seems time inefficient, what's the min time you would spend for inner pages, and also how would you "wet" inner pages with peroxide? Do you wipe the page with a 3% peroxide dipped swab?
Inefficient? I am not sure that an experiment can really be inefficient?? But I guess it could be if you are running many of them in a factory-like setting. Of course that assumes you *know* what the results might be before you start, which would mean it isnt an experiment. It really doesnt keep me up at night wondering about it but I suppose people can do experiments however they like, so knock yourself out! the inner page in this experiment wasnt exposed to peroxide at all, jut light at 435 nm. but again, you can doas you like. I am sure some readers here have done it!
I'm no scientist but I will spitball a couple ides for you to possibly test. Regarding the "hardness" issue from the light treatment I assume due to the 90 degree temps what if you had air vents and/ a gentle fan to remove the hot air. Or is the problem due to the moisture content of the book being dried out what if you used lights in a humidity chamber at the same time. Would that create more problems or be a solution? I love the scientific approach.
When I worked in formal wear, we would steam out stains. The blasting power of that steam nozzle would remove every stain... Just wondering... have you ever tried your solution plus a some light steam blasting? Noted: The pulp of the paper isnt the same as the threads in clothing... But same principle. And it was always Hot hot hot. And im sure you would have to adjust pressure to compensate. What do you think?
I've done something similar in experiments but always ended up getting the dirt from the cover onto the interior pages. it just makes its way there. I am sure others have had better luck
My goodness what a great light only result. Did you notice or would you recommend a maximum limit to preserve reds and yellows? Sweet shirt. I noticed the xwing model. I think an industrial light and majic red leader screen used model just sold at auction for ~$2.3 million dollars.
At this frequency, even at 100 hours of exposure I haven’t seen any red or yellow fading. I think for better insurance I would Cover it with a uv filtering Board to prevent an sun 400nm light from hitting the book. I am finding that in many cases, peroxide isn’t really needed. I am also finding that if I wash the cover in water or immacuclean then perform a light soak, they clean up quite nicely. My brother made that model for me, it’s very cool and lights up with sound!
@@ImmaculateComics think it’s possible to wash and light simultaneously? If I could give the washing apparatus a wide enough birth above the lower container. They make the 440 nm light array for aquariums, and they are waterproof. Would the water refract an important portion of the uv? Would this be picking pepper out of fly poop? Curious. Pretty excited about the immacucube.
Fantastic video - thank you! I tested it too and it really works. Unfortunately, there is always a small yellowish tinge. Are yours getting really clear/crystal clear?
You can eventually get it really clear but actually it looks weird when that occurs and also the paper tends to get brittle in my experience, so I don't do it!
someone told me about that but I havent read anyones book and have only accessed publicly-available peer-reviewed works that have been in the public domain for decades and my own experiments. I've only created products after checking prior art then also performing an IP Check via the USPTO. This box is based on publicly available knowledge, so it isnt "novel". It doesnt exactly take a huge leap of creativity to make the box, so it is not especially "inventive" at all (boxes have existed for a long time, so have lights). And it doesnt have any secured IP. I'm not filing for any myself as it would never get approved, they might even laugh at me if I tried. (well not in front of me but they probably would behind my back) This is simply prior art reduced to practice on a different object than the original art. People decades before me were doing the same thing with paper, textiles, money, etc and had clearly defined the wavelengths and the process. Sheesh, people have even mixed yellowed lignin fibers into some sunscreen lotions specificlly to absorb UV light, so it isnt an intellectual leap by myself or anyone else to expose paper which contains lignin light to light near that frequency even if there werent dozens of papers alrady published on the subject. So in finality its not an inventive and novel process. The standard example is a peanut butter and jelly sandwich isnt significantly inventive and novel vs a peanut butter and jelly bagel. Sorry for the diatribe, I just go through a lot of IP discussions during my 9-5.
My take away from this is that the higher concentration of peroxide will decrease the suppleness of the paper, and if you don't have stains on the comic a cleaning using immacuclean and a 12 hour exposure should be enough to make anyone happy.. As a side note is there a way to test a light to see what range it is producing, without purchasing test equipment?
Jim, I love that you almost always have a take away that is so much better than my summary. Your ability to break all of my work down into a few simple sentences is something I'm lacking and I always appreciate it. My thanks, as always.
@@ImmaculateComics It's my curse in life to make things as uncomplicated as possible. Like me teaching a customer in my store that simply could not grasp percentages that it was what money was based on 25 percent of a dollar equals a quarter etc. His next math test on fractions he aced.
Rick, great experiment and results. Thanks for posting. Do you mind sharing where you sourced your lights? I can’t seem to locate anything in the 420-450nm range.
#1, I'm waiting on my box from you :) and this video just makes it all that much more difficult to wait :) #2 - what exactly is the science behind the UV lights removing the yellowing of the paper? I'm vaguely aware that yellowing is caused by the starch/sugar in the original paper that appears with age, but what does the 400 nm range of light do to sugar? just re whiten the sugar? and does then the sugar turning yellow over time just start all over again?
Hi Bob, I apologize for the wait! I’m only waiting on one last component so I can finish assembly. The boxes were far more expensive and difficult to source in large volumes than I anticipated and it’s taking forever for shipping from China. I will ship out several complete boxes the week of July 11-15 before I head to africa for a few weeks. I’ll do a long video on the science of it. It’s a little complicated and deserves a decent treatment for the audience!
@@ImmaculateComics where in Africa you goin'? We lived in Swaziland for 4 years, worked in Senegal, Nigeria, Kenya ..... I opened an orphanage in Mozambique in 2001, and it's still goin', so where you gonna be and whatcha gonna do?
@@josephtopczewski5630 ok, sweet, this is what I need to learn and understand. but you started out with saying if you see blue.......I don't see blue in comic book paper, but I see yellowing. Am i misunderstanding what you said?
This is absolutely fantastic work by the Master. I think it explains why I get marginal results with books under my 395-405 nm UV light for 3-6 hours. In addition to getting a new light array, I may try using my UV 395 - 405 nm for a longer duration to see if I can salvage some use out of it. What do you think? Regards and thanks so much for posting! SfS
Hi Steve! I think 395-405 frequency will work if you increase the amplitude (power) but I’ve learn is had more danger to reds and yellows too. Btw We received your recent order and I instructed the packers to put some extra goodies in the box for you
I just bought the 395-405 UV light through the link on Rick's online store. I tried it on a yellowed back cover for over 9 hours with NO NOTICEABLE EFFECT. I rewatched Rick's video "Comic book experiments with UV light and Hydrogen Peroxide Part I" and saw that he also had little effect from this light alone, but when the paper was pre-washed with H2O2 or immacuclean, the paper was nicely whitened. I avoided the 430 nm because Rick's interviews with Big John gave the impression that, although 430 is better for bleaching, it is more likely to damage yellows than 400 nm. Now (with this immacucube video) the message is a little different: 430 nm alone is effective and safe. But notice that there was no yellow ink on the areas tested with UV alone. So I'm still unclear whether the 430 nm is going to fade yellows or not.
@@jcp4162 430nm does fade some yellows and reds but now all of them. I’m still unsure what the f difference is. In two copies of gsxm1 done in the same day one of the copies had slightly faded reds and the other didn’t under 430. I suspect the 395-405 lights from Amazon now had reduced intensity as a few people have reported a different from old to new versions of the same product. I’ll order one myself and measure or just simply re I’ve amazons link from my website if it’s no the same any longer.
@@jcp4162 430nm does fade some yellows and reds but now all of them. I’m still unsure what the f difference is. In two copies of gsxm1 done in the same day one of the copies had slightly faded reds and the other didn’t under 430. I suspect the 395-405 lights from Amazon now had reduced intensity as a few people have reported a different from old to new versions of the same product. I’ll order one myself and measure or just simply re I’ve amazons link from my website if it’s no the same any longer.
Great content Rick, i've been going through a bunch of your videos starting out trying to clean up some comics. Is this experiment conclusive that Blue light is superior around the 450nm range? In and older video you mentioned around 300nm being best. Love the experimentation!
after a great deal of experimentation and buying several dozen lights I believe that 430-440nm is the optimum range between safety for the paper and and whitening of the lignin components. Its slightly more effective that 450-460 at the same duration of time, but not by much.
@@ImmaculateComics Thanks for the response, is the yellows and reds fading a risk factor. I think Jon mentioned that in your interview, or is that only with excessive exposure. Obviously lots of variables.
@@ImmaculateComicsRick, I’m looking to purchase your box and am questioning the difference in the purple verse blue light. I believe purple is less energy but what are the advantages and disadvantages /risks of purple compared to blue. I can’t find online data on comics or videos. Thanks!
Fantastic work! So exciting to see the side-by-side results.
Thanks Jason, it really is exciting to see! I've performed dozens of similar experiments and sometimes the results are so good they are just shocking.
Excellent, as usual! I've only experimented up through 12 hours and it turns out that a longer duration wasn't of value anyway.
Also haven't ventured above 3% H202, which brings me to a question of whether the trade off between whiter whites at 12% is worth stiffer paper vs. 3% whites and paper quality. My initial thought is that, considering the work necessary to restore paper integrity if paper gets too stiff and potentially brittle, it's best to go with a lower concentration.
Which brings to mind 1.5%, which I frequently use, and 6%. Time to run more experiments here, it seems.
I quite like using ONLY light, though -- it's much more effective than one would think. Though I find it's not as effective against heavy tanning as H202 + light.
Tide lines are giving me the biggest headache at the moment .. not because I've got a ton of them on my books, but because they can be so very fussy about leaving. The washer arrived TODAY, though, so my first foray into moving shorelines begins tonight.
Thanks again, Rick!
Keep us updated Ed, I’m excited for you! I put so many dozens of hours into developing that and going back to the drawing board that I eagerly anticipate your feedback. Keeping it under $500 for the lights plus washer was my initial goal and I honestly thought I’d never get there. In the future look for other additions that you can add yourself like the corona spark igniter for the ozone chamber and the azeotropic alcohol humidity chamber to restore flexibility to the paper.
Tremendous in-depth work...quite relentless you are, Rick
Thanks for the kind words! I actually only share about 10% of the experiments I do!
Thank you for the process my friend! Enjoyed immensely!
Thanks Jerry! Your kind words mean a lot!
Keep great content coming.
Thanks, will do! I appreciate the kind words, Tim!
Amazing improvement on that interior page!
Thanks Dan!
12 hours seems time inefficient, what's the min time you would spend for inner pages, and also how would you "wet" inner pages with peroxide? Do you wipe the page with a 3% peroxide dipped swab?
Inefficient? I am not sure that an experiment can really be inefficient?? But I guess it could be if you are running many of them in a factory-like setting. Of course that assumes you *know* what the results might be before you start, which would mean it isnt an experiment. It really doesnt keep me up at night wondering about it but I suppose people can do experiments however they like, so knock yourself out!
the inner page in this experiment wasnt exposed to peroxide at all, jut light at 435 nm. but again, you can doas you like. I am sure some readers here have done it!
I'm no scientist but I will spitball a couple ides for you to possibly test. Regarding the "hardness" issue from the light treatment I assume due to the 90 degree temps what if you had air vents and/ a gentle fan to remove the hot air. Or is the problem due to the moisture content of the book being dried out what if you used lights in a humidity chamber at the same time. Would that create more problems or be a solution? I love the scientific approach.
When I worked in formal wear, we would steam out stains. The blasting power of that steam nozzle would remove every stain... Just wondering... have you ever tried your solution plus a some light steam blasting? Noted: The pulp of the paper isnt the same as the threads in clothing... But same principle. And it was always Hot hot hot. And im sure you would have to adjust pressure to compensate. What do you think?
I've done something similar in experiments but always ended up getting the dirt from the cover onto the interior pages. it just makes its way there. I am sure others have had better luck
My goodness what a great light only result. Did you notice or would you recommend a maximum limit to preserve reds and yellows?
Sweet shirt. I noticed the xwing model. I think an industrial light and majic red leader screen used model just sold at auction for ~$2.3 million dollars.
At this frequency, even at 100 hours of exposure I haven’t seen any red or yellow fading. I think for better insurance I would
Cover it with a uv filtering Board to prevent an sun 400nm light from hitting the book. I am finding that in many cases, peroxide isn’t really needed. I am also finding that if I wash the cover in water or immacuclean then perform a light soak, they clean up quite nicely. My brother made that model for me, it’s very cool and lights up with sound!
@@ImmaculateComics PEW! PEW! PEW!
@@ImmaculateComics will you experiment with tanning return time?
Gosh I hadn’t thought of it but I suppose I will have to do that!
@@ImmaculateComics think it’s possible to wash and light simultaneously? If I could give the washing apparatus a wide enough birth above the lower container. They make the 440 nm light array for aquariums, and they are waterproof. Would the water refract an important portion of the uv? Would this be picking pepper out of fly poop? Curious. Pretty excited about the immacucube.
Fantastic video - thank you! I tested it too and it really works. Unfortunately, there is always a small yellowish tinge. Are yours getting really clear/crystal clear?
You can eventually get it really clear but actually it looks weird when that occurs and also the paper tends to get brittle in my experience, so I don't do it!
how does one become a student of pressing and ceaning comics
That’s a tricky question, my friend. Right now I think the answer is to watch some videos on TH-cam and practice for yourself on cheap comic books!
There are some people saying your light box plagarized their book. You should let them know about the old whitepaper they based their book on :)
someone told me about that but I havent read anyones book and have only accessed publicly-available peer-reviewed works that have been in the public domain for decades and my own experiments.
I've only created products after checking prior art then also performing an IP Check via the USPTO. This box is based on publicly available knowledge, so it isnt "novel". It doesnt exactly take a huge leap of creativity to make the box, so it is not especially "inventive" at all (boxes have existed for a long time, so have lights). And it doesnt have any secured IP. I'm not filing for any myself as it would never get approved, they might even laugh at me if I tried. (well not in front of me but they probably would behind my back)
This is simply prior art reduced to practice on a different object than the original art. People decades before me were doing the same thing with paper, textiles, money, etc and had clearly defined the wavelengths and the process.
Sheesh, people have even mixed yellowed lignin fibers into some sunscreen lotions specificlly to absorb UV light, so it isnt an intellectual leap by myself or anyone else to expose paper which contains lignin light to light near that frequency even if there werent dozens of papers alrady published on the subject.
So in finality its not an inventive and novel process. The standard example is a peanut butter and jelly sandwich isnt significantly inventive and novel vs a peanut butter and jelly bagel.
Sorry for the diatribe, I just go through a lot of IP discussions during my 9-5.
My take away from this is that the higher concentration of peroxide will decrease the suppleness of the paper, and if you don't have stains on the comic a cleaning using immacuclean and a 12 hour exposure should be enough to make anyone happy..
As a side note is there a way to test a light to see what range it is producing, without purchasing test equipment?
thats exactly correct!
Jim, I love that you almost always have a take away that is so much better than my summary. Your ability to break all of my work down into a few simple sentences is something I'm lacking and I always appreciate it. My thanks, as always.
@@ImmaculateComics It's my curse in life to make things as uncomplicated as possible. Like me teaching a customer in my store that simply could not grasp percentages that it was what money was based on 25 percent of a dollar equals a quarter etc. His next math test on fractions he aced.
Did 12 hours of BLED exposure harm the book, make it brittle?
Rick, great experiment and results. Thanks for posting. Do you mind sharing where you sourced your lights? I can’t seem to locate anything in the 420-450nm range.
I coolant source them either. I have them made for me and I sell them in my immacucube kit.
immaculatecomics.com/shop/immacucube-comic-book-washing-machine-preorder-of-prototype/
Rick, the last comment you made about the interior page ; was that a reference to the uv light treatment or peroxide ?
Oh sorry that interior page was light only!
What is the wattage of the UV lights you used? Or does that not matter
it does matter! 24 watts!
@@ImmaculateComics thank you! Love your work.
When you wash, are you doing the whole book, just the cover, or every page individually?
Cover only usually
#1, I'm waiting on my box from you :) and this video just makes it all that much more difficult to wait :)
#2 - what exactly is the science behind the UV lights removing the yellowing of the paper? I'm vaguely aware that yellowing is caused by the starch/sugar in the original paper that appears with age, but what does the 400 nm range of light do to sugar? just re whiten the sugar? and does then the sugar turning yellow over time just start all over again?
Hi Bob, I apologize for the wait! I’m only waiting on one last component so I can finish assembly. The boxes were far more expensive and difficult to source in large volumes than I anticipated and it’s taking forever for shipping from China. I will ship out several complete boxes the week of July 11-15 before I head to africa for a few weeks. I’ll do a long video on the science of it. It’s a little complicated and deserves a decent treatment for the audience!
@@ImmaculateComics where in Africa you goin'? We lived in Swaziland for 4 years, worked in Senegal, Nigeria, Kenya ..... I opened an orphanage in Mozambique in 2001, and it's still goin', so where you gonna be and whatcha gonna do?
I’ll tell you more late mr but I’m going to Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and Nigeria this trip. Next month it will be five more countries!
@@ImmaculateComics excellent!!!!
@@josephtopczewski5630 ok, sweet, this is what I need to learn and understand. but you started out with saying if you see blue.......I don't see blue in comic book paper, but I see yellowing. Am i misunderstanding what you said?
This is absolutely fantastic work by the
Master. I think it explains why I get marginal results with books under my 395-405 nm UV light for 3-6 hours. In addition to getting a new light array, I may try using my UV 395 - 405 nm for a longer duration to see if I can salvage some use out of it. What do you think? Regards and thanks so much for posting! SfS
Hi Steve! I think 395-405 frequency will work if you increase the amplitude (power) but I’ve learn is had more danger to reds and yellows too. Btw We received your recent order and I instructed the packers to put some extra goodies in the box for you
You are the best Master Rick! Thx!
I just bought the 395-405 UV light through the link on Rick's online store. I tried it on a yellowed back cover for over 9 hours with NO NOTICEABLE EFFECT. I rewatched Rick's video "Comic book experiments with UV light and Hydrogen Peroxide Part I" and saw that he also had little effect from this light alone, but when the paper was pre-washed with H2O2 or immacuclean, the paper was nicely whitened. I avoided the 430 nm because Rick's interviews with Big John gave the impression that, although 430 is better for bleaching, it is more likely to damage yellows than 400 nm. Now (with this immacucube video) the message is a little different: 430 nm alone is effective and safe. But notice that there was no yellow ink on the areas tested with UV alone. So I'm still unclear whether the 430 nm is going to fade yellows or not.
@@jcp4162 430nm does fade some yellows and reds but now all of them. I’m still unsure what the f difference is. In two copies of gsxm1 done in the same day one of the copies had slightly faded reds and the other didn’t under 430. I suspect the 395-405 lights from Amazon now had reduced intensity as a few people have reported a different from old to new versions of the same product. I’ll order one myself and measure or just simply re
I’ve amazons link from my website if it’s no the same any longer.
@@jcp4162 430nm does fade some yellows and reds but now all of them. I’m still unsure what the f difference is. In two copies of gsxm1 done in the same day one of the copies had slightly faded reds and the other didn’t under 430. I suspect the 395-405 lights from Amazon now had reduced intensity as a few people have reported a different from old to new versions of the same product. I’ll order one myself and measure or just simply re
I’ve amazons link from my website if it’s no the same any longer.
Great content Rick, i've been going through a bunch of your videos starting out trying to clean up some comics. Is this experiment conclusive that Blue light is superior around the 450nm range? In and older video you mentioned around 300nm being best. Love the experimentation!
after a great deal of experimentation and buying several dozen lights I believe that 430-440nm is the optimum range between safety for the paper and and whitening of the lignin components. Its slightly more effective that 450-460 at the same duration of time, but not by much.
@@ImmaculateComics Thanks for the response, is the yellows and reds fading a risk factor. I think Jon mentioned that in your interview, or is that only with excessive exposure. Obviously lots of variables.
actually at this frequency of light even at 100 hours I didn't see any fading. Maybe I was just lucky.
@@ImmaculateComicsRick, I’m looking to purchase your box and am questioning the difference in the purple verse blue light. I believe purple is less energy but what are the advantages and disadvantages /risks of purple compared to blue. I can’t find online data on comics or videos. Thanks!
Wow
thanks!
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