How $35 Billion was Allegedly Stolen From Indonesia | The Big Steal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2022
- By 1968, at 47 years old, Suharto emerged as Indonesia's number one man. For the next three decades, Suharto and his family allegedly amassed the largest ill-gotten fortune in all of Asia.
Most of which would likely never be recovered, constituting a $35 billion theft that continues to haunt Indonesians till this day.
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the fact that his family still live free and wealthy is just the example how useless Indonesian law
As much as I despise him, you can’t simply judge the convict’s caused by predecessor’s action. Tho for money laundering & corruption it’s possible to repossess their assets if proven guilty. But it’s not that simple
Sounds familiar. We have a lot of families like that in the Philippines.
Not reallly useless but more like he still got his friends and colleagues who are still in power or have a power to do more than enough to stop any attemp to chase after corruption, nepotism. And with the tradition embedded by Soeharto regime I don't think that corruption and nepotism will be that easy to rooted out since it very strongly rooted. Only by the new generations do we hope that they will break the root and chain of corruption and nepotism.
Literally copy paste scenario in the Philippines. Southeast Asia, why?
@@lisalee9880 I visited Philippines/Manila during the campaign for Presidency and Legislation, and to my surprise, we do have lots in in common... So many billboards, posters, were posted in roads, buildings, and even trees couldn't escape from this politics vandalism... LOL...
My grandad was a sculptor and painter during Sukarno's era, made a lot of paintings and statues, including Selamat Datang statue in Jakarta. Unfortunately, when Suharto reigned, he was abducted during the purge and his fate is still unknown 🥀
_Cendana emg paling anjinq.. Dalihnya berantas PKI.. Tapi taunya mau nyuri.._
Nice
That's what should happen to corrupt
@@koshurkot3892 His grandfather was abducted by the Suharto regime for political reason, dum dum
@@johnyossarian9059 he said when suharto resigned, u c bodoh
@@koshurkot3892 it has nothing to with corruption instead soothing to do with opposing party anyone who not in his idea was dead or missing there is no freedom of speech at new order era you talk you die, you speak up you die plain and simple
Why US let him ruled for more then 3 decades although he did not implement democracy in Indonesia? Because US & his friends have reservered all of the Indonesia's natural resources, the biggest one is freeport (one of the biggest gold mine or others on earth)
Those was opposed by the first president of Indonesia since he was so smart and really care for the people of Indonesia.
US and the West actually do not care of one country condition, as long as the nation does not run Cummunist system and could give them what they need (natural resources and the market, these are the point) then you are free to do what ever you want to your nation.
You think at that time the state itself has the necessary self-sufficient means to exploit this resources? If we truly had those means, well we would have started well off in exploiting and refining of the mining sector with whatever raw material we dig in to be sold to the world wide market in that 10 years of absolute reign in guided democracy in the style of authoritarian government after the Presidential Decree of 1955, but that's not what happened at all, the economy still going to nosedive rampantly with such low productivity overall while at the same time facing hardship of hyper-inflation from monetary and financial mismanagement, and then continued with useless expense with reason to glamorizing own state and nation façade that have no beneficial return than short-period of prestige, while trying to interfere in neighbor's domestic civil strife by supporting the communist partisan in Malaysia, there's a reason why his former vice president abandoned him and were staying out from the world of politics anymore since then, because both figure are delusional and autocratic with have no ability to ever seriously hear and accept other's suggestion in governing issue while wanting grandiose wishes, this is mostly seeable in management of country's economic aspect, the difference are the former truly have good intention, while the latter admittedly know that he paired up the nation's interest with his corrupt intention, but both are just really bad in managing country into the practice.
Disagree, the former was a communist puppet and the later was capitalist's.
We didn't have the technology nor the resource to competently extract the natural resource at the time and had we kept going with our first president we would be similar to north korea (very poor and fanatically patriot).
Neither president adhere to indonesia's "free and fair" approach to international politics (to be fair no young country at the time can escape cold war) and thus affecting our growth as a nation.
As for your final point, this were the themes of the cold war era (even now probably), letting these dictator thrives as long they adhere to your side, neither power were really cared about their underlings; if you really think soviet union will help our growth i'd like to smoke what you smoked lmao
@@dhafiansuhartono8668 True, I mean even they had immensely supported those head figure of Indonesia's communist party with their doing of the revolutionary movement in Indonesia both militarily, politically, and ideologically, they taught them directly when they were studying in Moscow with the communist think tank and intelligentsia, twice.
@@williemherbert1456 the thing with communist countries was they start slow developed steadily and grow big later with stable foundation, like China and Russia.
Today Indonesia natural resources got leeched by those western countries and the market also monopolized.
Big but very very unstable.
@@multatuli1 And look at those communist state and ex-communist state, example Czechoslovakia, once were the heart of industrial sector in Pannonia plain that can be on par with Germany industrial might in some degree before the war, but now they no longer in that case, and then Poland by receiving one of industrial center (Silesia) are no longer competitive in its productivity since Stalin's occupation, and just look at the difference in economic growth disparity between West and East Europe, most of Eastern Europe using their EU citizenry within Schengen Area move for works to the West while even though their own nation also experience growth, still not in par with Western part, and this is only worsening in the aftermath of 2008 crisis, and even we haven't tapped the phenomena of brain drain from those countries that in the end lead them into lack of business progression in any significance, even the current are no longer pure communistic state, it's back to the legalist-centric state once again while retaining some form of market economic ethic, only the part that benefit them utmost.
And in Russia is even worse when you see how awful their social security looks like, people often being ignored from receiving public pension, insurance, and subsidies since the Soviet era while most of this come from profits of oil and gas sales, while they called the 70-80's as their most prosperous day, then USA is in much further margin than them at the same time, and you need to see that most Western Europe is social-democratic state where the socialist party are thriving, while look at the Eastern Europe, filled with autocratic right-wing reactionary movement, from Fidez in Hungary, United Russia in Russia, Law & Justice in Poland, and Civic Democratic Party in Czech, their socialist & communist party are dying while just recently the Portuguese Socialist Party won majority of the seat in Parliament, while current Germany still dominated by SDP and CDU.
"Masih wuenak jamanku toh" -said an ignorance quoting this crap over and over.
Ortu gua masih nganggep jaman Orba lebih enak. Gimana tuh bang?
Jaman orba memang stabil dan adem bro...lu bebas ngapain aja asal jangan bawel kritik pemerintah
@@MultiDivebomber stabil dan adem dimananya ya? Lo ilang kl kritik pemerintah, itu adem? Minoritas ga punya suara sama sekali, itu stabil?
@@stylenonsense1228 Era suharto itu era transisi.
Jaman sukarno, lu main lagunya Beatles aja bisa ditangkap. Sekelas buya hamka yang kritik pemerintah sukarno saja dipenjara.
Bayangin tahun 1965 suharto diam saja, TNI-AD lalu diambil alih jenderal2 yang berpaham komunis. Konfrontasi dengan malaysia makin menggila. Inflasi tidak terkendali, nggak ada pertumbuhan industri yang pesat. Gw sih tetap bersyukur Suharto yang jadi presiden, dibanding Sukarno yang lanjut.
@@MultiDivebomber Stabil sbb dicekokin good news tiap hari lewat TVRI🗿
Dibelakang layar korupsi berjamaah & segala SDA digadaikan.
Suharto: it's still good under my rule, right? everything is cheap, including your father's life
Fact : Life is cheap at that time
Cause almost all commudities are being subsidise thats why we suffer the most in 98
😅😅
It's only cheap in Java, also inflation will make things more expensive as years passed because of globalize economy and the world population keep rising.
YG GAK PERNAH NGERASAIN HIDUP DI ZAMA SUHARTO&SUKARNO LEBIH BAIK DIAM. YG JELAS zAMAN SUHATO JAUH LEBIH BAIK&ENAK DRPD SKRG&ZAMAN SUKARNO.
This man is the first cartel OG of Indonesia. His cartel legacy continues to this day and became a cartel culture in almost every sectors of Indonesia. Politics, laws, religions, etc are runned by different cartels. That's why Japan are in very close relationship with Indonesia, because their Yakuzas and Indonesian cartels share the same "culture"
I am Colombian living in Indonesia. This doesn't come anywhere near a cartel. A cartel is way more powerful and evil than this.
@@JuanGomez-ss4lc i dont think cartel would be able to wipe out 2 million people who against them like soeharto haha.
@@dreamcatchertutorial
- 5 million peoples during his anti communist purge campaign 1965-1969
- 8 thousand peoples by Petrus (penembak misterius)-- mysterious shooter
- 200 thousand peoples during Operation Lotus in East Timor, including Santa Cruz massacre
- 2 thousand peoples during his 32 year reign (political rivals, activists, artists, and scholars)
nonsense 😂
@@dreamcatchertutorial yes they can. And worse.
I hope this video is never taken down for whatever reasons are. It explains the situation clearly and not over dramatic. Thank you Vice
This video will be taken down by CIA. 😁🥴
You need to upload Habib Rizik to be delleted by jokodok rezim
Try upload our imam: Habib Muhammad riziek then you will be antagonized by the current indonesian rezim
@@snap_fit8686 what, he is ISIS suporter. Rizieq will be shot dead if fighting during Soeharto Era.
@@snap_fit8686 the way you mock Mr. Jokowi is just a real proof about how bad your attitude and how small your brain is. Everyone has their owm political vision and it's every citizen's right, but that's really show your bad mentality to mock someone. You can hate him but not mocking him.
Thank you, VICE Asia, for providing this well-narrated video, which explain who is Suharto clear and truthful. Though he is a malicious genocide actors and huge thief, many of Indonesian still remembered him as "charismatic and great leader" whose praised by the oldies and few youngsters. They mainly deceived by historical narrative written in state-produced books that distributed to schools massively, presumably in order to cover the dark side of the New Order age of terror. I recommended this video to watch and play in every single History class, from elementary to high school, to embrace a historical-consciousness within the youth about how ruthless and corrupt the New Order was.
students should know the truth. teach them not only from the textbook which covered the dark side of our history. i appreciate of what you did, sir!
I swear to fcking god kids nowadays is like idolizing communism so much im like "did y'all skip history class so much that none of y'all probably realize that your grandfather's father probly k1lled by one of those pki" smfh
edit: spelling cuz im typing while mad asf llol
The same happening with Philippines too. Now the son of dictator is one step closer to running for presidency at the moment because his campaign was spreading false information, influence and more attention through social media. We lost a good potential candidate who could've turned our country around better. Now the authorities are red-tagging people and groups who are against the family and relatives of dictator running for politics and their lives are at stake just because they fought for what is right and truth. Now it's going to be hard to eliminate political dynasty here.
It's more fun in the Philippines!
@@diannitaindah1713 Didn't work here in the philippines sadly they just elected the son of the dictator here and is now criminilizing those said books.
@@greatninja2590 ya semenjak bong bong anak dari ferdinand marcos memimpin philipina, kami di indonesia juga takut kalau tomy suharto anak dari suharto memimpin indonesia dan mulai merubah sejarah kelam bapaknya.
The growth during Soeharto's rule can only be felt on Java. While the rest literally just got developed recently. New otonomous regions (cities, regencies, provinces) and metropolitan areas emerges after Soeharto fell, and then development in other regions kickstart.
On the other hand, the government is still on the chase with the Soeharto family, taking out their assests one by one
more like in Jakarta. i went to colleges in central java and jogja in early 2000's there were still so many underdeveloped regions without roads and electricity.
@@harukrentz435 yes early 2000 was just few years after fall of Soeharto. Nowadays Java already good
Nah even if you went to somewhere like Pondok Gede in the 80s,90s you would be surprised and thought if you were in central Java. Even my home now the main road was non-existent in the map book of Jakarta 1990. And yes im still located in Jakarta, not greater Jakarta like Bekasi or Tangerang (Jabodetabek)
@@harukrentz435 come back dude, javas infrastructure now are like magic. Compared to back in the days
Nope, Indonesia is not developed at all in the hand of Soeharto, he is absolute conservative and stability oriented person
Yeah. I dont know why, up till now hes still being consider "respected former president", and u know what his family still living in such a luxury, what a joke right?
He is a murderer right
"Soeharto itu walaupun banyak dosanya, pahalanya juga banyak" Gus Dur
@@IDMarketer well yeah he probably in heaven after assasinate bunch of influential people in the name of "nationalism"
@@IDMarketer pahalanya cuma buat orang jawa
@@IDMarketer tapi dosanya lebih banyak
My first election was at my high school. I remembered the teachers gave us subtle force to elect Golkar only. They even recorded the election paper serial number to our names. It’s pretty dodgy these days but back then it was considered normal
Well if our parents who's working at government offices didn't elect Golkar say goodbye to money and welcome unemployment and poverty
This is so true
Golkar was known to be the most strictly socialist back then
Mostly for the worse
@@ArariaKAgelessTraveller wasnt socialist. If it was, they would be spreading their wealth to the community. It’s more like a autocracy/subtle communist. Like chinese communist party (CCP)
@@ArariaKAgelessTraveller Just because they were populist, it didn't automatically mean they were socialists either.
I remember one time I red in Kompas newspaper "if Suharto was found guilty, 20.000 people would go down with him". That's how many people that are connected to Suharto (and doing corruptions / KKN, or maybe even more). I thought myself "then it's not gonna happen". And for sure it never happened ... he went to court but always "i don't know" thing.
just imagine those 20 thousand people would all be the at least have power to rule over something in the government or big companies.
Like the current chinese puppet jokowidodo is doing any better ? People on the oposing side is being jailed and killed by the police and army
Indonesian law are so corrupt , the current state constitutional supreme judge is the boyfriend of president JOKOWIDODO sister .. what a joke
@@maelkhoyudia6427 the govt would be in major crisis if everybody with a connection to soeharto got arrested
Yup, he was laid way too easy and died the easy way too. He build Indonesia, but at the cost of the nation's integrity with no moral structure whatsoever.
As Indonesian, THANK YOU VICE to make this video.
This is very sensitive, and danger for local to discus this topic.
As k0nt0l, slalu sprti itu, kmn..kmn aja gk prlu pke as atau iam²an, norak lu bngstt
Bro, this ain't New Order anymore
It used to be, before the 98 (New Order AKA Orde baru). But it isn't anymore nowdays
@@shycracker anak buah harto masih banyak
Just like in the Philippines, Marcos is a taboo topic like Suharto
This guy could've singlehandedly beat marcos and ceausescu in terms of how much money he can stole back in the day. His legacies goes on 'til this day in my country, Indonesia.
At least Ceausescu and his wife were put into trial and then executed. Unlike Soeharto, he got away from his crimes.
Without suharto there are no indonesia today...
@@alnash1433 you mean suck indonesia? Yes if thats what you meant
@@alnash1433 bllhsht. Without Suharto, Indonesia would still exist, national leaders like Mohammad Hatta, Ruslan Abdulgani, Abdul Haris Nasution, Police General Hoegeng, etc were still alive by 1970s! And they would make Indonesia better.. without Suharto, Indonesia could be free from corrupt mentality instilled by him during 32 yrs of iron-hand rule.
@@alnash1433 Really how so?
In fact their family and their cronies are still around the politics, even most of them hold significant positions in the government. This country is ridiculous
He was Ferdinand E Marcos best friend. Birds of the same feather.
Talpak together.
Indeed
Totaly agree
He is also a good friend of the US. In the 1960s, with the great help of the US, he became next president after sacrificing hundreds of thousands of people.🙏
Yes indeed, and yet majority of ordinary people believe their lies.
as an indonesian myself i could only tell you this....this country is beyond saving from things like that
It can but not anytime soon
As an outsider myself , is Indonesia less corrupted under present President ? Corruption is incoherently looming in all area .
Atom Araullo the presenter is a Filipino and discussed the Marcoses too - he very well knows it hahahayayyayayay. Perhaps we need an Indonesian to discuss Marcos too for Filipino audiences? hehe
@@abrahamdsl Please do! Filipinos are delusional and think people are lying about Marcos. As a Filipino, the more noise from international community against Marcos the better. I do not want any trade relations with the Marcoses. Hit them where it hurts. The fault in our past administrations is that they didn’t strip the Marcoses of their citizenship as well as not having imprisoned Imelda for her crimes.
@@ophanimangel3143 I'm a Philippine Islander too 🥲
07:17 - "..whether they're businessmen with weapons or soldiers with cheque books.."
no truer words were ever spoken.
The real life Don Corleone. My dad emigrated to Indonesia to start his own business in the 80s and told me a lot of things regarding the country from it's economical standpoint. The Indonesian Rupiah weren't that overpowered by USD. Then in the years following up to the riots of 98, you could see the plummeting of the inflation rate which one could still see to this very day. From a business aspect of things, it's good for foreign investors to come to Indonesia and commence business. But my dad always told me that in order to do business in Indonesia, it's not 100% about negotiating with your business associates whether it be a venture or investment. As long as you give a piece of the action to the government, you'll have no restrictions. Law is money.
The problem is, national jurnalism still unable to touch/cover this topic completely without getting harrassed & threated, so the only solution to reveal the truth is depending on foreign media,
Kind of irony.
As us Filipinos, we feel you our fellow Indonesians, our country got stolen too... 10 billion dollars because of the Marcoses. This is relatable to us
What are the causing factors of Bongbong Marcos's victory in this year's Philippine presidential election?
@@andreavizenasigit from what i read in internet is because the Bongbong Marcos promised to continue Duerte policy that many Philippine people atleas think good enough compared to other candidate
Then why did you let marcos son won? We indonesian "bonked" suharto son in law back in 2019. WHY NEIGHBOUR!? You guys are not donkey, aren't you?
@@raifikarj6698 and they believed it!?. Goodness!?
aus parang alam mo naman narinig mo lang sa mga dilaw yan..hahaha
Thanks for the real truth of the reign of Soeharto. I hope most of the younger generation post Soeharto sees ur documentary and realize that as long as Indonesia is free from corrupted regime and radicalism then there is hope for Indonesia to be independent economically, united and prosperous.
Amen. 😇
Agree
Wow $34 billion dollars.. R u kidding me? Some Indonesian living in poverty yet the president is living his dreams... Imagine what that $35 billion can do to make Indonesia grow n more prosperous....
It wont, the corruption come fromthe bottom to top
Yeah, once hear a story how his children in UK spend the money on expensive things, and just to throw the shopping bags in the house after.
@@andonokusumajatibiaenergi it started from the bottom but kept by the top so that they cycle won't ever stopped
Never trust ex-military
They just want power and money, they don't actually care for the country
We have no choice, the kind of politician is ex military or support by ex military...just that
@@ars9411 Suharto, prabowo, wiranto are all war criminals with records being responsible for the East Timor genocide and killings of student activists
Well, the choice was between ex-dictator friends, and limp-dick politicians. Both were bad but as long as the oligarch from new order still have the country strategic assets, and they pretty much have their cronies everywhere in they system, nothing will change much. See, new order never died, if you think Soeharto runs everything alone you're naïve. He had collaborator who pretty much there to make sure that his families get everything after he resign, every vital sector, like banking and infrastructure.
You might hate that guy, i dont blame you, but you have to admit that Soeharto isn't stupid.
Now his cronies embeded into the system and stirring up everything from behind the scene, as we fight each other over menial stuff, they made major move behind the scene, to carved as much as they can form Indonesian for themself.
Find this cronies, give us their names and then we can have justice. Or at least we can start to clean up this country from the core
He was never elected anyway.
Too bad this kind of story is too sensitive for the people of indonesia, i live there.. and i know some people that actually have a form of respect to this guy, it's weird that how effective with what he does, and how he covers it up with something.. and it's just brutal..of how many people died during his time, the "orde baru" or the new order, was a dark and surprisingly..a new start...since indonesia also developed itself and it was all from the government.. soo i guess it is not all bad.. soeharto will always be remembered as the 2nd president of indonesia.. a dictator..or not a dictator.. i hope this country will finally get what it deserves.. some quality life and peace.. love
I hope you don't bring them back. You know what happened to the Philippines
New Order sounds similar to New Society
That's why these kinds of stories need to be pushed by International media. If it's run by local media a lot of people would not believe it.
Money = power = respect is a deeply entrenched mentality in Indonesia, sadly.
@@justinnamuco9096 well it's not like i have the power to do so lol, and yes.. we hope it Wont comeback
This is the second President of Indonesia, the worst dictator in history. Whoever dares to oppose him, his life is at stake. His title is Pharaoh of Java. His children have not yet returned the state debt borrowed through his company. And the most disgusting thing is that in the era of the Javanese Pharaohs there was rarely any asset bookkeeping, or never. And what most disgusts all people with this family is that they dare to shake the Indonesian government through a religious community organization that is identical to the ISIS terrorist, namely the Islamic Defenders Front.
What is the similarity between Islamic Defenders Front with ISIS ? Dont spread nonsense... I am Jokowi voters but we need to be fair and just as person
@@muhammadsecret8783 Your cellphone is a smartphone, right? Let's look for foreign websites and see the list. Sorry, as far as I know, Joko Widodo's presidential electorate is a rational and logical person, not a religious drunkard.
@@hiroyukihasegawa3192 Dumb answer, there you cannot answer and prove your statements. FPI only has few follower, do you know that Indonesian Economic Planner (Bappenas) is head by Islamist ??? There you go you dont know Indonesian politics, even our Vice President is Chairman of MUI ( Indonesia Ulama Council).
@@muhammadsecret8783 Praat alsjeblieft naar hartenlust, ik wil geen ruzie maken met mensen die religieus dronken zijn, er dom uitzien.
@@hiroyukihasegawa3192 FELL SO SORRY WITH YOU, EVEN WITH JOKOWI IS PERCEIVED AS SECULAR POWER, BUT VERY IMPORTANCE MINISTERIAL POST OF HIS ADMINISTRATION (BAPPENAS) IS HEAD BY PPP CHAIRMANT, PPP IS ISLAMIST PARTY HE HEHE
Soeharto's atrocities is never talked enough, and the fact our education system ONLY paints him as this saint/father of national infrastructure revolution is absurd. I hope future generations would be able to tell the truth without fear of Soeharto's lineage/shadow.
"The Father of Development" is true, jangan dibutakan oleh dendam karena beliau melanggar HAM, kita tetap harus mengapresiasi jasa beliau sebagai Bapak Pembangunan.
The fact is New Order - Soeharto much better than Old Order - Soekarno in developing the country~
@@Vuch101
Wkwkwkw 😂
Sob Soekarno bangun ego(infrastruktur dikala Jakarta masih kavlingan) untuk Indonesia bertaring namun diiringi masyarakat masih makan kadang-kadang utang tidak seberapa.
Bila dibandingkan dengan Soeharto utang menumpuk rakyat terlena, kroni" kuning dikala itu pesta pora....
Projek pembangunan 5tahunan banyak yang setengah" kawasan gbk yang orientasi olahraga mala alih fungsi anjir apalagi banyak nyetak yayasan untuk anggaran kroni" kuning....
Keduanya sama-sama memiliki ego" tersendiri
Yang untuk rakyat hingga sekarang masih belum menemukan saya.....
What's worrying is that some people liked his government and thinks this period was better than the new more democratic government. A similar thing happened in the Philippines with Marcos' martial law era.
NO..!! The students who kicked suharto out from power in 1998 are still alive. different with Marcos in the Philippines.. There are narratives to promote the suhartoe regime, but immediately out corrected, because people who were experienced living under suharto era are still alive and well.
@@kudajingkrak4919 wait what happen to the people that kicked Marcos what year is that hapoen? Because if your reasoning is that because all of the people still alive prevent another resurgence of dictartorship it kinda make sense. But there is different Philippine and Indonesia there somewhat stability inside Indonesia so maybe after that stability gone we need to learn to avoid the same mistake
@@kudajingkrak4919 i hope that historical revision in your country will continue to be corrected.
There are actually good things that come out during his goverment tho, such as there are way less street gangs, beggars, radicalism, etc. Since you know, like....They dead-
Well all I'm gonna say is there will be no martial law if there is no terrorist. In my village there are alot of old ppl they never bad mouthed the marcoses from what i learned they were happy in that era simce you can even open your door freely without worrying abt getting a magnanakaw to get in (this is based from what i heard, if you're wondering how old they are they are 84 and they are born in 1938 and there is a big gap between the indo theft and the marcos family
It's more than that, many foreign company doesn't pay proportional taxes to Indonesian government during Suharto era. Those taxes some percentage goes to Cendana and the rest goes to the companies itself.
Soeharto... Ah ya... Kata kata yang sangat umum di masyarakat yaitu, "CULIK KARUNGIN BUANG".
As a Malaysian, close proximity to Indonesia our jiran tetangga, I am watching closely what is happening inside our house.
For some reason, my well-spoken Bahasa and cultural understanding of Indonesia , they are very relatable to us. Just in case, our pemerintah are practicing quite like the Indonesian's .
Glad you noticed that. Our leaders are doing the same in Malaysia and has become bolder each time, without shame.
Vice should put Indonesia sub for this, so Indonesian who couldn't read English could watch too
My parents always told me when i was a kid
Especially my mom, my mom was pertamina employers family. They say her parents were prosperous, but in actuality they lived just like usual Indonesians. They were still poor. She has 1 brother and 3 sisters. When eating together, they split it in very small portion. Her mother also worked as teacher, but she quit then sell groceries. Selling the groceries were more income than being a teacher.
For my dad is saddest one. He lived in Jakarta around slum area. He did singing in the bus to earn money. He even helped his family's siblings, basically doin chores to earn money. His dad was a mechanic in-house. Their lives were in misery, the usual income couldn't stand just 1 day
When my mom and dad married and have my older sister, they still split the food for lunch and dinner. After 1998 monetary crisis and after i was born in 2000, our lives became better than before
I'm just gonna say that i'm grateful that i passed that era and still lives
The classic rosy retrospection/nostalgia goggles, I even remember someone actually admit the increased living standard of nowadays but still claiming Soeharto period was better for whatever reasoning they come up with.
your mom is rich alright. my dad also born into a bumn family, he always say things like that. Just wait till your grand pa and ma died. You'll figure it out how rich they were. ps : those who are working for bumn are most likely to have a royal lineage
@@dewigesrek5651 my dad is a javanese living in java in the 70s to 90s, and he has endure through a lot of hardship, and eventually even losing his toddler younger brother to starvation. So yeah, even as a 50% javanese and 50% sundanese, my family was never really fond of the suharto regime, his family and all his "business" ascosiates.
@@fpsdropgaming well yeah, not many as fortunate as my father. My mother in the otherside is have similar story as yours (maybe we're related lol). that's when my father realise how lucky and fortunate he is. what I'm trying to say is about his/her mom. not the regime. The regime is always and will always be bad for others who are not working for bumn or foreign companies
Suharto stole $35 billions from his country in 3 decades, Thaksin Shinawatra, former Thai prime minister and later his sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, who also became a prime minister under her brother's dictation stole approximately the same amount in just 7 years. Yingluck's rice subsidy program alone stole more than $17 billions from Thai people in just 2 years.
More needs to be exposed including the massacre of Indonesian Chinese!
I bet soeharto had no idea about this. He visited egypt that time, I know who's the mastermind of that massacre and chaos across indonesia.
Hint: the person who's in intelligent that time.
Padahal masih ada hubungannya lho keturunan China pada masa kemerdekaan sayang buku sejarah di sekolah GK mengajarkan itu apalagi stereotyping kenapa muncul
Timbulnya sifat arogansi beberapa oknum malah timbul kebencian terhadap semuanya
Ini masalah klasik ya "xenophobic" itu sendiri
There's 2 type of Chinese back then, the original indonesian Chinese settlers since the kingdom era and the fresh first generation CCP Chinese.
@@multatuli1 yeah some people always judge who is *right* and who is *left* i believe xenophobic because *political* spectrum nor because difference face is just how ignorant as human judge people by whole group not *individual* being
@@ridwan3533 I don't care, what I care are those Chinese descendants conglomerates build up 70% Singapore wealth, they took Indonesian natural resources to build Singapore! That's what I call a *TRAITOR* !!!
Similar stories happened through out South East Asia. Some steal outright and some steal more elaborate. You should do a story on Thailand ousted Prime Minister Taksin Shinnawatra. You will find very interesting and compelling story that create ripples until today in Thai's Politic.
And that doesnt make us better or justify the act of a dictator. So? What's the matter? How Irrelevant.
Because its hapening all over the 3rd world at that time.. now you maybe condemn but back then is the better option.. suharto is still more democratic then sukarno.
Seandainya ada itikad baik dari pihak Keluarga Almarhum Soeharto untuk mengembalikan uang negara tersebut, terutama saat ini, ketika rakyat Indonesia memerlukan banyak dukungan untuk kelangsungan ekonomi dan sosial, serta lingkungan yang lebih baik. Korupsi merusak tidak hanya fisik melainkan juga moral.
Bodoh amat lu anjir
Pfffftt ngimpi.
Cucunya 1 pun ga ada yang kerja tapi bisa hidup mewah bak raja.
Dan masih ada aja orang tolol yang mau hidup di jaman suharto.
Dan ironisnya banyak orang indonesia yg suka jaman soeharto (walaupun kebanyakan bapak2/orang tua sih)
Soeharto Presiden paling KORUP di dunia. Presiden pembantai rakyatnya sendiri dgn isu PKI
@@razgrizucc yg suka itu paling mantan pejabat2 pas orde baru, ato yg punya koneksi
Good one again. Please do a piece on Rajapakse family in Sri Lanka
Itu hanya 1 dari 1000 orang yang membuat negara rugi:(
1 orang dari 1000 tapi dia top 10 nya
Suharto may as well gone, but his authoritarian style is still well enough known in this regime, that's mainly because there's still high ranking military officers still in power or may I say 'influencing' the people in power, the least you could expect is a jail sentence if you're trying to criticize the government, that's better than abducted and gone missing by some 'vigilantes'
Man man, jaman Suharto lu nulis gini aja ga bakal berani man
@@IDMarketer True, kalo observe sekarang, oknum militer masih banyak yg punya pengaruh di pemerintahan pusat
Jokowi tiga tiga periode 💯💯
@@IDMarketer True tapi bandinginnya klo bisa jgn yg jelek mas. Harusny kita bisa lbih bagus lgi demokrasiny dri sekarang
Sebenarnya bukan kritik sih mas, lebih ke menhina, karna gw banyak liat org mengkritik di medsos g ada kena tangkap..... Lihat juga oposisi banyak mengkritik g kena tangkap... Lebih ke arah kritik yang dianggap menghina
This man cursed Communism, but he ended up becoming a Dictator with a way of governing similar to those of a Communist Dictator. To see such condemnation for communism, we can clearly see who is his backer.
Thank you for exposing such thing to the public, Vice Asia
hear here.. he is disgusting man
The current president is simillar to communist, you dont feel it because you are they supporters, try ask the oposing side, how many people had being jailed or killed by the current regime
The anti communist agendas was just a way for us indonesian to get that 4 billion dollar funding per year from daddy sam🤑🤑🤑
@@ramasaputra6205 it still way better then cant listen to rock n roll music without being labeled imperialist by sukarno regime
@@calonyoutuber1399 tbh, with all of the problem he caused and all of the debt he raised without any significance change other than jakarta and some few city in java, not listening rock n roll music will be your least problem
#1 Suharto $35B
#2 Marcos $10B
Both of them combined literally richer than any south east asian billionaire
Marcos Jr.: Wait, gonna add more to that lol
but yet they are not in jail.
They are "UNTOUCHABLE"
good job.. informative
People always talking with pride about that one time Indonesia did exported rice in Suharto era, i always ask them back "did you ask how many Indonesian people can actually eat rice that time?"
The same thing here in Philippines where some people talking with pride about Marcos where Philippines use to export rice during his reign
My parents told to me when i was 13 year old.
When my mother still a kid, she ever told to her mother that 'if someone give you a bread and Canned milk, don't ever receive it'. One of her neighbor receive that, the next day they got fired and gone.
Back then there was a situation during president election if someone not choose golkar, that man/woman got fired or eliminated or got called comunist participant
What's the relation with the bread and canned milk? I don't get it
The bread and canned milk are for 'fake evidence' that victim is a communist participant. People can make a fake situation and people get upset easily (even death to the victim too) . I know you don't understand, but that's all i can say with my ability for english
There were some organization did that kind of thing. Usually persuade choose other political party before president election begin.
thank GOD your mother knew about it
Short, on point, great job..
The history taught to us are a little bit different. This video is perfect
Thank for speak this issue, hope justice will arise in Indonesia
It's hard to think that when my father was born Suharto has been in power for a year and when he left I was only 4 or 5 months old.
That was the dark side of indonesian history...never again...NOW, Indonesia moving toward mature democracy and stability..hope benefits Indonesian people, ASEAN and beyond....
Yet just few years ago we almost vote facist into power
we still have curropt politicans tho :(
you must be living in a cave....CORRUPTION IS MORE PREVALENT THAN EVER!!!
Pfftt mature democracy with corruption
bribing is way of life ... from immigration to clerks to police to getting a licence.. I got my driver's license without attending any tests.. I exit the country without a passport by the back door....
so you admitted to it?didnt scard to got sent to court?
This is so sad because this video not trending in indonesia and people still missing the era when the precidency was lead by him. Scary,tortured,and left behind. That's describe new orde regime. Its a shame that a family still live happily and full of wealth.
sounds familiar . oh right bossku
Dup ohhh Dup !!
Mahathir senyum melihat komen ni
What was the location he was walking around?
Sadly, it's not gone fully,new oligarch starts to dry this country resource. The same people that also have their parts during Suharto seems to go back along with what looks like new, fresh player but they just using their parents connection it seems
can vice do a story about the golden triangle in s.e.asia, heard a biggest drug bust in Asia twice.what's deal or there now it had to be coming from china to Thailand. heard Hmong general vong pow in lao was corrupted, and khun sa controlled it during the Vietnam war
Can you make a bigsteal episode for the Philippines? Hehe
The fort & park are so beautiful! Where is the filming location?
Intramuros Manila my friend
i live in main island Java, only 6 hour from Jakarta. and in 1990, we dont have electricity and TV.
Please also do a documentary on Sri Lankan politicians as well 🙏
Thank you vice!!! Indonesian gen Z need this information
This sounds familiar, reminds me of a certain someone in the Philippines, whose son just became the president-elect of the country...
Atom Araullo on Vice?
you cant mention the timor leste conflict like that without mentioning up north in Vietnam the Americans are not exactly being good samaritans and a lot of pressure was put by the western countries. it was the cold war. note how westerners call it an occupation,while the timor seperationwere actually made by europeans during colonialism. the east and west part of the island are actually one people
The issue is that it was never constituted in a legitimate manner. No fair and free election were held afterwards (after Indonesia invaded east timor) to determine its fate. It might well be the case that it doesn't want to join west timor (Indonesia in this case)...forcing the union without free and fair consultation to the east timorese would be disasterous as well (see for example the Biafran Civil war due to the forced union of the Igbo dominated Biafra region and Hausa-Fulanis in northern Nigeria by the british empire)
Edit: On the point of North Vietnam. The issue was not that South Vietnam was separated from North by french imperialism but by the creation of south Vietnam itself to be illegitimate. Its independent referendum, after the french lost, was Mired with multiple issues (vote rigging, Violence against the opposition and bribery) - sometimes helped by the U.S. Meaning no "will of the people" was constituted in its creation. If the south Vietnamese people were able to vote freely and fairly and chosen to be an independent country then I don't see why the communist north must impose their economic system upon them...socialism within a nation without a significant support of its population would end in misery (see the afghanistan war in 1979 - 1989). Also, don't use the "we were a single people" argument...kinda close to the blood and soil vibe you know
@@professormathematics1637 what do you mean by dont use a single people argument, and blood and soil? the single people argument is the main argument when looking at several countries name? (armenia, kazakstan, romania) in terms of election, I would like to refer the situation to places like hawaii, did the US give them free elections or did the status quo just end up being the norm?
"Westerners"? More like just Australia, UK, and US. "Westerners" is just too broad definition. Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and even France never intervened in Indonesia's politics during that era. Even China and Soviet were more assertive in exerting their influence to Indonesia during 1948 and again in 1960s, but ultimately failed.
Also, the invasion of Timor could've been just forgotten like India invasion of Goa (Goa is still India's territory today, noone protest it).. if only Suharto didn't abuse Timorese people with bad treatments. Didn't "tembak massal" (shooting) people at Dili city in 1991 (Insiden Santa Cruz)
@@notamoonraker Timorese weren't the only ones who's been treated like that. Aceh been militerized operation area (DOM) for decades, not to mention Papua. Even Javanese and Sundanese, the largest tribes, couldn't get away from him. In one pov, he's indeed a tyrant, but from geopolitic pov, he's done something that help Indonesia didn't end like Afghanistan just like The West planned, he doesn't end like Khadafi too. Before Arab spring, they tried Indonesia and South East Asia first. The year 1997/1998 was Asia financial crisis, it started when speculators attack Thailand Baht, then spread to Hong Kong, and so on. ASEAN foreign exchange basically collapse that decade. It leads to politic instability in South East Asia. Basically debt trap. Foreign investors and financial speculators ruined these SEA countries currencies and stock market. Spread to East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan, China via Hong Kong). Year 1997 is when Hong Kong back to China. You must understand, this is how geopolitic work. Using psywar (this include media play) to manipulate fear in foreign exchanges market, hedge funds, swindlers, and all.
Timor Leste from the start is being targeted to become puppet country by Australia, UK, and US. They want to build military base there and all.
@@NurmaBP LOL what? Are you defending him because "the west planned Indonesia to be destroyed"? Blaming wESt this wEsT that? LOL. It was BJ Habibie, Abdurrahman Wahid, up until Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono who dome something to prevent civil wars in Indonesia. Suharto was actually the cause. His repressive reign plus his preference of developing Jakarta/Java island over non Java island prove the be the cause of Acehnese separatist movement, Papua separatist movement, and Timorese movement. The militarized operation area (Daerah Operasi Militer - DOM) was unsuccessful, it only fueled their dissatisfaction and anger!
The Asia Financial Crisis in 1997 happened.. yes.. but Vietnam and Malaysia were safe. Why Indonesia was not? Might have something to do with Suharto corruptions.. he had been unpopular at this point of time, added by the fact that he already in rule for 31 years, continously. No wonder Indonesian people protested him, demanded that he needed to go down from his presidency.
Even when the demonstration finally broke out in 1997, Suharto was allegedly the one who tried to divert the blame on ethnic Chinese in Jakarta, his agents were provoking violences against them.
indonesia n corruption is very synonymous. my dad did a lot of business there n he told me that it is completely normal n acceptable thing for lower level officers n the citizens themselves to take small bribes make your trip smoother or introduce you to the right people. they consider it as lunch money or something lie that. but if you have a fallout w your business partner there it will be most likely that they can put some evidence on you out of thin air n pay whoever necessary to make it happen bcs its not that of a taboo to make these small bribes. i didn't dare to ask him if he ever paid one tho haha... however i never heard of $35 billion corruption in indonesia
In the past you can literally make driver license regardless on how old you're lol
May I know which country are you from. What u said are perfectly accurate to this day for certain things. Today not all things are corrupt, gov tried to cleanup too
Even until now, it's still is. Nepotism ("cultivated" during Suharto times) is still frequent in practice today. For example, in job searching.. without insider, it's really hard to get the job / just to get HR notice your CV, even with suitable qualifications.
Yeah.You're right.Same as Malaysia also the worst corrupt countries in asia.At least,as long you are Malaysian will get subsidy in everything from goverment. Be grateful
You are 100% correct. Corruption, collution, and nepotism. It's so deeply rooted in indonesian culture, i'm afraid no one can truly change indonesia for the better.
Well said
Thank you Vice Asia💕💕👌
It might be 'stolen' but it was largely, facilitated by the United States and Europe with extensive financial facilities and tools. As long as Indonesia followed a political course that was with the West Soeharto was able to do what he wanted.
Gee, I wonder why totalitarian theocracy like Saudi Arabia, who routinely gives middle finger to the very concept of libertarian democracy, never got sanctioned, let alone got it's regime toppled, by the "benevolent" Western World.
(Sarcasm Intended)
@@dekaredfire oil(energy) politics
This belongs to our history; like it or not, we have to remember and never give chance to corruption in the future. And shall not give chance to his family to come onto power again.
Some sources said that those money are flying back into both mi6 and cia. Like "jakarta method"
the fact that some people still can't speak freely about this man until today is terrifying
I think the lesson is to do everything extraordinary. Don't mug someone on the street and get at most 70$. Steal from a whole country and be invincible.
Wow.. you got the nerve to speak up and spoil all the fact. 10 thumbs up!!🔥🔥
With great power comes great responsibility
When greed has become so big and unrestrained, then it is doom which followed.
the original bossku
Correct VICE! Thank you for such quality content. 👍
Everything VICE has said in this video is accurate.
He is not the favorite of his father. But he is the favorite of his mother. The daddy's favorite was his elder sister. He even trying to shape her to be his heirest. But he didnt reign for that long to see her became next president.
This source of vlog can not be takedown ,i hope till everybody know the story ..
It's maybe a lil bit oot but there is a story In my family, that said his father is actually Chinese and his mother is the maid of the house, hence why he had that oriental face and somehow got really close with Salim Group's founder. In the last years of his reign, many people with oriental traits got persecuted by the masses because the locals thought the Chinese are conspiring against them
You got the indonesia part in boneo land WRONG
Pls forgive him. I apologize for his in behalf
This is such a good video but I can only get to half of it before my internet suddenly went "lmao dude im a snail" and there were five meatball soup vendors outside my house.
0:07 I don't think that map at Borneo is correct... I'm seeing Sabah and Sarawak being included in the Indonesia map..
Well, he was smart by using money to have many friends whose later helped and protected him and his family.
its called cartel,and its actually not smart but "Harder"to catch since the feds is too corrupted like the DEA trying to catch narco kingpin
The worst manipulation and propaganda implemented to Indonesians for 32 years was the history education, which until today all historical scenes were in question, in doubt as for 32 years it has to fit to what Soeharto wanted them to remember. ‘Everyday lies will become a truth to already alienated and confused people’ . Complex.
Pleàse clarify where the Rp 35 billion figure is derived. Thank you
Actually more than 35 billion,Indonesian people still surprise that literally All state property are never being written or counted,so basicly there is no Administration.
its actually way more than that.
I grew up in the 80s-90s. I was born in the era of Petrus or Penembak Misterius/Mysterious shooters, it was the era where men in tattoos were often found dead, shot and put in rice sacks on the roadside or down the side of river. it was an era of horror, my grandma said. the scare was said brought order for a while, crime rate plummeted and people felt safe because it was said that only thugs and criminals were the target. however, as there were also ordinary people went missing, people starting to doubt if Petrus was only targeting criminals and thugs as it claimed to be.
On the day of Suharto stepped down from power, I was in the middle of exam for my middle school final test. It was a total chaos in Jakarta. the scare spread all over the country, even the most peaceful town like Solo also affected. somehow the underlying scare and terror followed throughout the next year. 1999 was the year where people were killed under the guise of hunting Santet shaman (black magic shaman). I remembered sleeping on the floor with my siblings and my father along with several other neighborhood men, went on night patrol almost every night. back then, people were reminded of Petrus, though this shaman hunting is more brutal and they weren't only targeting shaman but also islamic religious clergies. Suharto's family are still somewhat powerful today. and seeing how Ferdinand Marcos's son got back into power in the Philippines, there's no doubt that Suharto's family supporters might want them back into the government circle (as they still has a lot of supporters even now)
If Suharto is in the Philippines, Filipino would still vote for him
Ikr lol
"'Di bale na na korap, madami namang nagawa" 😃🤡
nakakag*go 🤦🏻♀️
good luck philippines nalang talaga.
I'm so sorry for my fellow brothers Indonesia. This also happened in the Philippines during our former late dictator President Ferdinand Marcos presidency and the Philippines voted for his son te become our president right now. I hope history does not repeat itself in both of our countries 🇵🇭🤝🇮🇩
Suharto descendant are banned from politics and government sit
@@Martin-xw7kk lucky for Indonesia. I hope our president is not like his father.
@@Suzaki73 True but wish you guys didn’t take that chance. Now lets hope for the best
who are you to even apologize!?
gurll it's inevitable it's happening now Goodluck🇵🇭
lakas mo talaga sir atom pati sa vice news nakarating ka na rin
thank you. can someone subtitle it in bahasa indoneisa.
the younger generation should learn about this vital history that made indonesian poor.
i also learned that the billions of dollars was siphone through the islamic relgious institutions (money laundering).
can you do a document on a governor name ahok and how he was discriminated and framed for blasphmy as a rightful citizen because of his relgious back ground. this discrimination is no different to racism and there will be no world peace. if leadership is based on relgious backgorund and not merit amongst others .
there will be no world peace if china or europe doesn't elect a muslim president.. because its racist and discrimination.. lol oh wait they have real discrimination and racism such as uyghur genocide.. but you will just silence about that because it doesn't fit your agenda
cmon yong.. real racism and discrimination is what happened to uyghur muslim minority in china
lets not forget the regular clashes that happen with nearly every presidential candidate... and how they do not seem to step down in their 5 year period... sure, sure...
bapak pembangungan tapi yang dibangun cuma pulau jawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Presiden republik jawa
@@fadli_1577 kocak tapi benar 😂
@@fadli_1577 beliau gak tulen darah jawa, pemimpin kalo tulen darah jawa gk punya jejak korup,sekalipun mentri2 nya pd korup, org2 kalo mau terjun ke politik pasti lari nya pd ke jawa dan menjadi penduduk jawa sehingga di kira semua politikus2 itu org2 jawa padahal klo udah kelas pejabat rata2 bukan darah jawa tulen apalagi yg duduk menjadi wakil rakyat itu kebanyakan darah non jawa cuma kependudukannya sj, bahkan kalo dri segi catatan koruptor kelas kakap di indonesia kalo di liat catatan bhkan hampir gk ada koruptor kelas kakap berdarah jawa tulen, sperti kasus e ktp, kasus hambalang bahkan gayus tambunan pun pasti di kira mereka org jawa krna hidup di jawa.
Ahh ... Corruption. The one thing that never be separated with Indonesia.
Almost a century of our Independent, but that problem never solved and only get bigger.
Nice jurnalism video guys. keep up the good work.
1:24 Most Indonesians are in denial when it comes to this Chapter of Indonesia’s History. But the tide is turning somewhat, the new generation is starting to ask questions. However, most of Suharto’s lackeys and their descendants are still embedded in the system. Did Vice struggle to get an Indonesian that was willing to do this piece? Is this why a Filipino is doing it?
lol it’s exactly what happened to Malaysia right now
What happened there?
@@sultan9givewey corruption lunatic ex prime minister run free , despite been convicted .
What happened in Malaysia are political maneuvers for gaining/maintaining of powers.
@@sultan9givewey His trying to say that after the fall of the previous government, several of their leaders were charged of corruption by the government of the day through their elected Anti Corruptions Agency top brass, Attorney General and Judges (probably).
and his child, grandchild and business colleague now living peacefully at beverly hills california
We also have this 1 person in malaysia but ironically he's still roaming freely and can even go overseas. Malaysian peoples if you read this you know who i meant. :)