Military In Politics: Indonesia | Insight | Full Episode
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 เม.ย. 2021
- It played a pivotal role during the war of independence against the Dutch colonial rule. The Indonesian military continued to stamp its ascendency in Indonesia's political and economic spheres during 32 years of Suharto's presidency.
The role of the Indonesian military in politics however came to an end after the fall of former President Suharto in May 1998 in the midst of a severe economic crisis as public protests grew over rampant corruption, cronyism and nepotism within the government and the Suharto family.
Today, the Indonesian military exists as a professional fighting force which remains subservient to the civilian leadership. How is Indonesia able to thrive as the world's third largest democracy when several others fail?
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Just like soekarno said “ fighting colony is hard ofc, but fighting with your people after freedom is harder” . And that was true
That’s Right.
It’s true, So many People want Indonesia end.
but she herself is a japanese waitress
He is a true nationalist... it is sad that it came in the time of the Cold War where one have to choose side and he choose Indonesia first ahead of the western powers unlike his predecessor.
Ikr..
@@Radsui what?
We've come a long way from Suharto era. I hope Thailand and Myanmar can follow our way to detach politics from military 🇮🇩🇹🇭🇲🇲
unfortunately, they are in shape of & inspired by dwifungsi era. and try to formulate it on their own version 🤦♀️
Indonesia is not that detached from the military. Look at people in important positions now 🤷🏻♂️
We've come a long way from Soeharto era just to revive the dwifungsi back.
@@faisalnh2450 what kind of dwifungsi did you talking about?
@@francelonelo9187 the fact that a lot of active military/police generals taking position in civil organizations. I don't mind if the organization is still related to military/police role like BNPT, but for other organizations that doesn't need any military/police experience, like PSSI and many others, that's just dwifungsi with another facade for me. Also not to mention KPK. Led by an actice police personnel by shady process and we know the result know.
It's strange that this almost 1 hour long documentary doesn't mention any role the US played in the military take over by General Suharto and the killing of about 1 million Indonesians. Vincent Bevins' highly acclaimed book "The Jakarta Method" documented this. Less than a year ago, Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept posted a 1.5 hour TH-cam video which included an interview of Bevins on his book. I'll share the link to the video.
th-cam.com/video/BhkxQRsmMQM/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/167LMeLw7FQ/w-d-xo.html
Indeed, The US must Involved, yet SG couldn't say it, they're Ally
But SG is a puppet it cant just bite its master!!!
It's all because SG is US Ally
Everybody know BJ Habibie is the pivotal character in our democracy. He paved the path to democracy we have. 17 months of him in that seat, he set the foundations for our democracy.
@A B Habibie succeeded his predecessors and carried on admirably
@A B B.J.Habibie and Gus Dur is the father's of reformation,democracy,and human rights in Indonesian after 1998.
need more people like Habibie and Gus Dur ngl
both of them did so much for our democracy and freedom in a very short span of time
I hope the next Indonesia president is humanist like abdurahman wahid / gus dur, clever like habibie & strong orator like soekarno.
Amin 🤲
In 1998 I remembered alot of people especially the westerd world predicted that Indonesia will turn into many small countries just like yugoslavia. Alot of things happend that time a very dark history ..20 years later look where we are right now . indonesia is still standing very strong as part of G20 and for me still is the best place to live.
Greetings from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
God bless Indonesia and its people. 💞
Thanks you bro
Thank you My Brother...
I Love Bangladesh...🇧🇩
This is a very good insight into recent Indonesia history. It is a balanced perspective. I do think that Indonesia has gone a long way (on the right track). Western media does not normally provide a fair analysis. However, if you compare Indonesia to other Muslim majority countries in the Middle East and if you compare it to countries like Thailand and Myanmar, the political system is definitely more mature. This is a country (where I genuinely think) has a potential to be great.
@@ts8404 state your grievances mate, the conflict in Papua is a complicated militant crisis in which not one has a moral high ground. State your grief and let's communicate on what is needed to be done
I agree
Indonesia 🇮🇩
is a democratic Muslim nation that Egypt 🇪🇬 can look 👀 up to; aspire to be
@@ts8404 what bullshit?
@@ts8404 what research tho? I don't get your bullshit
@@ts8404 "here some research" when he said that I honestly expected some peer reviewed papers, not youtube videos.
I'm from Philippines and I'm happy to see Indonesia is gaining grounds
One day you'll be one of superpowers
....just thrive for it
Indonesian president is a great salute to him from the Philippines.
Philippines presiden is also a great person 👍. Greeting from Indonesia my brother 🙏
Great Philippines president Ferdinand Marcos
Presiden Joko Widodo the best president
@Carl Newman you didn't know anything, so shut up
@Carl Newman western media hoax
I am a Malaysian citizen. Very high regard to Indonesia. From this video presentation I find that Indonesia's experience in becoming the third-largest democracy in the world is impressive. Apa pun, hormatilah pemimpin-pemimpin negara yang sudah banyak menabur jasa kepada nusa bangsa atau tanah air.
@Foxtrot Papa Ya, sama2 kita raikan bulan yang mulia ini. Wish you all the bests.
@@mesra8258 yes brother, Greetings from Indonesia, may we all be given health and safety and unity as brothers
Ya,tidak ada pemimpin yang sempurna,semua ada kekurangan dan kelebihan nya,mungkin di sisi gelap nya Suharto adalah pelanggaran hak asasi manusia,tapi ada banyak juga sisi terang nya Suharto seperti pembangunan dan ekonomi,tapi saya yakin tidak ada pemimpin yang sempurna
Negara feudal berlandaskan diskriminasi dan rasis perkauman, yang hanya mengistimewakan salah satu kaum tidak ada hak sama rata sesama warga negara😂😂
Provokator Tak usah di dengarkan apalagi di ladeni/ di layan
Much love to our Indo brothers and sisters from the Philippines
As Malaysian, i see indonesia have bright future. i hope all indonesia must learn mistake made in past.
Until those boomers died and their system collapsed, nope, there's no hope
@@ts8404 hahaha Funny LOL
@@ts8404 wat?
Ganyang Malaysia season 2 is our goals 😂😂😂
Biarkan si provokator halu sendiri. Indonesia Malaysia tetap bersaudara.
Much love and respect from the Philippines to our brothers in Indonesia 🙏
Indonesia will become one of the world's superpower by 2050 for sure. Love you indonesians. From india🇮🇳♥️🇮🇩
Whatever you do Indonesia, please do not let Saudi Arabia funded extremism spread in your country through religious schools which is happening in our country. It will lead the country towards a dark future. Love from Bangladesh. 🇧🇩
Fortunately the leaders of the largest group of extremism in Indonesia is currently being held in court. I hope with this at least the level of extremism in Indonesia will go way down.
Agree, the Wahabism is really a thing
@@berlianaditya946 Habib Rizieq is still in the playgroup level compared to the jihadist salafi groups
Actually, it's already happened since a long time ago, my friend
@@anomalianomali5080 yes I know but at least as the world biggest muslim population it's a big move by the government. Even though we're a democratic country the power of muslim is big here, so one wrong move the whole nation could be gone.
as an Indonesian citizen that born after all of this events happened. i just want to say, Indonesia came a very long way.
Saya cinta indonesia :D
Pappapaleppapelpalepellappapeppeelellelelelelel hayukkkkkk booyahhhh ep ep yuk aku bocah ep ep heheheheh :P hehehrieieiririwiiwiwi
@@shurata9697 ??????????
Thats why i RESPECT Indonesia They are Powerful but kind to their Neighbors. Saludo! Indonesia from PH.
respect bro, mahal kita 😊
your country is garbage
And also Pakatan harapan too !!! .
Love Indonesia🇮🇩 from India 🇮🇳.
Love New Delhi 🇮🇳🇮🇳 from Jakarta 🇮🇩🇮🇩🤝🤝🤝
Love Mumbai from tegal
Dulu kisah indonesia sedih dan nyesek.. Setelah merdeka dari penjajah kita diadu domba saling mmb*n*h saudara kita sndiri :( mari kita saling menjaga indonesia dari hasutan dan adu domba.. Belajar dari sejarah.. Jgn mudah di adudomba sama pihak yg ingin memecahbelah keutuhan NKRI.. semoga indonesia dilindungi Tuhan
Amien. GBU.
Sekarang yg lagi dicoba: Indonesia berKhilafah... jualan agama laku kerasss..
Kalo liat sejarah banyak banget pemberontakan di daerah yg terjadi di awal kemerdekaan karena ga suka dibawah kepemimpinan Soekarno
Soekarno dulu itu bukan jadi presiden, tapi jadi Shogun
Makanya rakjat banyak separatis, persatuannya karena darah yang masih segar
Sekarang dikuasai oligarki
As Indonesian who also experience Suharto era, i really feel that Indonesia now is in the best time on Democracy perspective. The Five Principles Ideology (Pancasila) also keep us unite and stay out from extremely leaning Right or leaning Left government.
As for Military, i personally have more respect and proud of them now. They more Professional and Modern. Thanks to constitution that keep Military neutral and away from politics.
By the way, good job CNA to made a comprehensive Documentary
youou o
you are old then and ignorant of the situation.. you are blind to how the NKRI function in the region today as an invading colonial force..
Fools... Your military will be SACRIFICIAL LAMBS if they follow the evil powers to go to war with China... So you guys ok if Indonesia would be the main battlegound for WW3??? Think again!!!
@@iawarenow658 kok bisa NKRI kekuatan kolonial? Apa ini gara2 bisnis para jenderal oligarki yg masih berjalan sampai sekarang? Atau masalah Papua?
@@iawarenow658 papua and other provinces are heavily subsidized. There's no colonialism, that's just your pathetic ignorance.
We are brothers. From the 🇵🇭 now in 🇯🇵
Jendral Soeharto : dwi fungsi abri
Jendral A.H.Nasution : jalan tengah
Dan kita sambut, The True One And Only ; Jendral Besar Soedirman
"Tentara tidak berpolitik. Politik negara adalah politik tentara."
jika anda merasa gundah atau bimbang dalam menjalani hidup lekaslah pesan ojol dan pergi ke Jl. Jendral Soedirman, maka anda berada di jalan yang benar.
mantap bang twist akhirnya, wkwkwk
Udah nih om, lagi di patung Jend Sudirman tetep gundah nih om belum ketemu jodoh
Epic quote 😁😁😂
Malah jdi inget mantan ngab😂
Wkwk
Kami rakyat Indonesia tidak akan pernah melupakan sejarah
Mantab kau bujank
Anda golongan kami.....🇮🇩🔥🔥🔥👍
@@ts8404 kontol demo depan istana kalo berani, kuman junjungan lu aja cuma berani teriak dari ausie😂😂
@@ts8404 #PapuaisIndonesia #StopSeparstismWestPapua
@loser loser he's from France bro
"TNI kuat bersama rakyat".
Mungkin itu semboyan yang sederhana tapi efek untuk demokrasi di Indonesia dan cara pandang terhadap militer sangat kuat. Kepercayaan rakyat terhadap militernya adalah kunci berdemokrasi Indonesia dan kesetiaan militer kepada rakyatnya adalah dasar untuk memajukan bangsa.
Lagian alasan utama TNI ada di top 20 military power di dunia juga karna kekuatan manpowernya yg tinggi. Jadi semboyan itu juga secara literal
@@EukalyptusBonBon top 16 sekarang di data the great military in the world
@@yntkts3529 mungkin belum kedengeran kalo kapal selam kita tenggelam mungkin.
Dan nggak ada duit buat service berkala, sampai mesin dipaksa jalan dan overhaul
Hahaha gfp dipercaya, brapo vrapo
It is really amazing how Indonesia can become a functioning democracy with a growing economy. The country is diverse with varying tribes, race and religions.
Yes thank's much . . .
I would attribute a majority of it as a legacy of Suharto: Indonesian language promotion and literacy program.
This video is highly recommended for our brothers in Myanmar, especially for their military
@@ts8404 WTF
@@ts8404 australian pupet country clown
@@ts8404 yes papua had free with us
@@ts8404 Begone bot
Don't worry about him my fellow indonesian he just someone who don't know anything about our politic
Good video and fair assessment and highly informative, thank you CNA.
@@ts8404 sure. Only if you live in PNG for 5 years
No that fair, they didn't event mention UK and US's interfearence on Suharto's era
@@nadiasalma7707 Yes, quite a missed opportunity there.
However it could also derail the topic of the discussion, Indonesian army in Indonesian politics.
@@CDA- I'm partially agree with you TBH. For me, good information is when it's precise and complete. This one is fairly precise but not complete.
Thanks for the reply btw :)
Let’s not forget the history so we can learn from it but let’s also remember that we’re here now, in a better times and we’re here to keep our unity so please let’s be together and try not to be provocative or being easily fooled
Absolutely agree
agree
We are lucky that 1998 reformation happen, and the new generation of military generals are understanding and can be peacefully remove from politics and being fully in professional defense forces, can't imagine if military junta is still in the government.
Yes I agree with the change of the mindset, but I think Soeharto's dictatorship victims still not have the justice
@@samanthasivannia1887 and some if not many people still admire him. Lol
We're both lucky and unlucky, you cant just feel grateful after the lost of innocence during the 1998 reform, there's more than reform happend, there's many genocide and blood spilled over that
The students predicted that the rebellion will succeeded after at least 10 years of struggle, demonstrations and guerilla fights but the circumstances made everything faster from 10 years of rebellion turn into only 2-3 years of consistent struggle... so should we thank the Great Monetary Crisis in 1997-1998 and George Soros for making the reformation going faster than what already planned or should we curse them? its up to you to decide... but one thing for sure that all the major changes in Indonesia are all happened because the exact and accurate usage of Momentum... since the independence era until the reformation era...
New Order Era wasn't military junta by definition, it's a autocratic dictatorship backed by military disguised as phoney democracy.
Indonesia today is a country that earn and learn from his past history. I believe Indonesia is on the right way to move forward to be a better country. This is a large country, so plurar. Off course even until today there is still a challeinging situation to face off, but all in all Bhineka Tunggal Ika, Unity in Diversity, Pancasila is the way that make this country stand independent in his very own foot.
Soekarno vs Soeharto vibe is still exist until now underground
Yeah
Well, considering those two are the most charismatic, smart and powerful leaders of Indonesia, either you love them or hate them, they built Indonesia from the ground. To be fair, if you looking and dig more deep, they did whatever they can do so Indonesia able to survive at the time. There are so many behind and beyond the scenes than whatever up to public, underground movement, to keep Indonesia intact, while a lot of western countries analysts at the time predict Indonesia to be failed country like Afghanistan. Indonesia 'spring' is years before Arab 'spring', it just like whatever political conspiracies things are tested first in Indonesia before other countries. While Muammar Khadafi ended being slayed and tortured by his own people, Soeharto buried like a king. While United States torn in the last election, ended in attack on the capitol hill, unlike Trump, Prabowo choose to join forces with Jokowi to defend the country. Indonesia is anomali.
Semua ideology bagus.... Yg penting gk belok dan jafi penghianat
Their leadership was accurate for the time. Sby on the other hand...
INDONESIA is Bhineka Tunggal Ika, Unity in Diversity
I was live in Indonesia and i remember my freind had a military officer neighbour and the people love that guy and even sometimes they see him as their middle man and he has respect for his people
@Mr Bruh maaf bung, tapi tdk semua komunis atau kiri itu anti nasionalis, Sukarno sendiri saja berideologi pancasila dan Marxisme seperti pengakuannya di orde lama, bahkan Soekarno sendiri membuat gagasan NASAKOM (Nasionalisme Agama Komunisme)
@@BUNG_DARREN That's why it's good that he resigned. If the communist coup was succesful, we wouldn't be the 7th largest economy
@@arv7539 but, if soekarno resigned, look what happen to Indonesia, papua gold and other assets are controlled by the west and foreigners
@@BUNG_DARREN Would you rather have foreigners not taking our resources but 100 million people starve under an inefficient economic system or modern day indonesia where we prosper but foreigners set up mines in Papua?
@@arv7539 hmm weird how the soviet Union literally had free education, free healthcare and free housing with NO HOMELESSNESS, and the people there starve? Not only that but the soviet Union had 99% of employment, only 1-2% of the population is unemployed, the soviet Union also had the HIGHEST LITERACY RATE due to their free education on socialism
Indonesia's history should be lessons to Myanmar and Thailand. When it down fall, it hurts all aspect in the country and it took years and years to recovery political and economy.
Inilah mengapa kami sampai sekarang sangat erat,sangat nasionalisme. Sangat cinta tanah air,. Karena terbentuk dari politik politik yg luar biasa.
nope. more like politik busuk. ga ada namanya politik luar biasa. politik itu dimana2 kotor,main sikut sana sini curang sana sini backstab. ga ada yg bersih dan suci mau dari pro atau oposisi
@@goldenboy6667agar kamu tahu indonesia diam2 banyak di serang dalam dan dari luar... Banyak penghianat2 di dalam
Even as an Indonesian, we still looking for the real story, the real history, and the real timeline of our country.
Well, thats a lot of undiscovered "thing" from our history.
Do well Indonesia...go in the democratic path and wishing you all good success always ! A true friend from India 👍❤️
Im Indonesian and even by prevailing democracy atmosphere that we lived today, this story about Military involvement in our politics in the past especially about G30S PKI remain a very sensitive and divisive issue. I personally admired the Governor of National Resilience Institute Lt. Gen (Ret) Agus Widjojo for his knowledge about the past and his wisdom to outreach those group of people that left out, isolated and discriminated due to their relationship with those persecuted by New Order Regime. Still, the dialogue and process to heal the trauma of Military dark intervention in our past remain unclear even though President Jokowi administration had vowed to settle this.. at least in legal aspect
I am Indonesian and love history, to be honest even though Indonesia has come out of the authoritarian regime but Indonesia is actually still in the hands of retired military and businessmen.
At least their influence is not as extreme as in Soeharto's time. They don't have the ability nor the will to rock the stability we currently own.
I always feel honored to live in freedom because of the heroes that died for it. But sometimes I worry if Indonesia was worth their sacrifice, and whether we can be proud of what Indonesia is today and is becoming.
Tugas kita untuk menjawab hal itu 👍
I don’t understand the bitterness of some comments from Indonesian, the transformation that happened to TNI is great sign of progress that cant be found in other country, a military body that once had a huge political power and rule the country, willing to give it away when they have total capability to hold or take the total power and create a military junta government, yes the remnants are still here to influence but thats part of progress, we cant expect the status quo to give up completely, see for other 10 or 20 when all retired new order general has probably dead and see a younger generation of general who have a different mindset
U see human are just selfish creature
We want more, we want the truth behind some events
But yeah some people just complaining about dumb things
It's great that Indonesia is democracy now, we Cambodia is still authoritarian regime.
Last heard, Mr. Hun wants to rule until 90 years old.
@@TheOldmankk yes, he's a stupid man, a prime minister who no one voted for.
Singapore is still under 1948 State of Emergency
@@firstcommenter202 corruption in Cambodia is the highest in ASEAN, Singapore leader has clear plan for its county.
@@vannakkh964 Singapore does not have a clear succession plan.
indonesian history kinda like history of Myanmar rightnow😢i hope situations in myanmar will be better soon
No its not
Correct! Myanmar even copied New Order system, until now.
Good luck and stay safe bro!
@@senoadjiaditya1535 not really. Myanmar uses its civilian government as its puppet when real power goes to the military. Indonesia on the other hand, Suharto resigns as general then became president and has support from military due to him as retired general.
@@aimarramadhan2380 Well, if you look at Myanmar Constitution, Tatmadaw acquired 25% of total seat in the Parliament without election. Same thing happen in Indonesia under New Order regime.
Nevertheless, we still believe in our nation and our people, as the history has shown, we were and will be privailing against all the challenges as we come as one nation. May God bless Indonesia and the people of Indonesia.
thank you for making a good documentary about my country. The content is very rich and the documentary editing is excellent.
@@ts8404 no
@@ts8404 it's funny,
@@ts8404 you are not papuan 😂
@@ts8404 free frenchcaledonia, free scottland, free quebec, free hawaii, free aborigines from white anglosaxon...
@Charlie F22 Baguette Style, stalking the account is enough to tell
The nation's founders gave Pancasila ideology for balance and harmony of an Indonesian nation, indeed it is not easy to lead a large country, with thousands of islands, and hundreds of ethnic groups of various religions, to form a democratic country, hopefully Indonesia will continue to stand tall, not only at this time, but This nation stands tall for ever, according to the ideals of the founders of this nation . 🇮🇩💐
Amien. GBU.
@@ts8404 Yes, of course Papuan' lives matter! And not only Papuan's, other Indonesian lives matter! So whoever commit crimes (Papuans or other Indonesian ethnics) should be punished.
@@ts8404 wake up boy...
@@ts8404 time to grew up
Pancasila is not an ideology but a national value
Pemimpin yang Hebat bersama Tentara yang integrasi super power serta Rakyat yang Bahagia dan cinta kepada pemimpin nya
Im Indonesian and between all the presidents (excluding Soekarno coz I havent born yet) Habibie and Jokowi were whom I respect the most.
Habibie was a shortest-period president but he create/modified many laws based of what people want (the press,, the military,,etc), and it gave huge impact until now. He even step down himself coz some people still didnt satisfied about his leadership and he didnt want another riot happen.
Jokowi on other hand, canceled some law-in-the-making when he Saw many people gave negative response,, and I really respect that coz that shows he's really has people best interest and how many leader takes back his own Word for people like that?
List of Indonesian Heroes Pioneering Independence
Do not escape from history, knowing various history about Indonesia is one way to appreciate the services of our heroes
1. General Sudirman
2. Hasyim Asyari
3. Prince Diponegoro
4. Ki Hadjar Dewantara
5. Dude Tomo
6. Sutan Sjahrir
7. R.A. Kartini/Raden Ajeng Kartini
8. Captain Pattimura
9. Tjoet Nyak Dien
10. Raden Dewi Sartika
11. Sultan Hasanuddin
12. Tan Malaka
13. Martha Christina Tiahahu
14. Drs. Mohammad Hatta, First Vice President
15. Ir. Soekarno, First President
16. Agus Salim
and many other service figures throughout the archipelago that I will never forget to honor the heroes who have fallen in the past
NKRI (Unitary State of the Republic of Indonesia)
Bhinneka Tunggal Ikan means Even though they are different, they are still one
Greetings from Indonesia, I am on the island of Java, precisely in the Province of DKI Jakarta
You are idiot,shame on you..
INDONESIA sekarang tidak mudah di pecah belah. Indonesia sekarang rukun damai dan adil.
Amin🙏
Wow klan uchiha
@@grayfullbuster6853 Itu mah Akatsuki
Di offline iye klo di online....
ahahaha...noh cebong kamprer ribut mulu
In my retirement home or second home its nice to learn about the history of my neighbour. Sawadee Khap.🤠
After covid vaccine， when visit Bali again❤️
Why always bali,,,,,,,So many beutiful place indonesia you can visit not just bali
@@anwarcrossline581 unfortunately that's where the investment both public and private is going to, ya gitulah sesuai demand bali jadi tempat yang gampang untuk di akses bagi turis sedangkan tempat lain diabaikan.
Ah cool... Send ur western white chick ...so many indonesian like it...
Maybe orgy party ... Bali is progressive place... Don't forget 1 night stand grooming local ...👍
Cool place bali
Let's also try Dili, Timor Leste
I'd rather you didn't go there. It's already ruined by careless tourists.
All it missed was how the CIA assisted with Suharto’s rise to power. Then again, this is made by Singapore and Singapore is an American friend.
Hoping for a truly non-biased documentary where it spares no details.
Which as I understand basically just confirmed the lists of Communists that the PKI had already gathered. Remember that Indonesia was undergoing a downward economic spiral as Soekarno leaned away from "non-aligned" toward obvious Communism, instigating a war against Malaysia over ideological suspicions over it's mere existence.
Karena perang dingin adalah perang ideologi maka negara manapun yang menganut ideologi yg bertentangan harus di musnahkan. puncaknya adalah pada kepresidenan Soeharto. Tujuan as adalah agar pki( komunis unisoviet musnah di Indonesia). Selebihnya mau susah, mau sedih, mau miskin atur sendiri intinya ideogi demokrasi liberal telah masuk ke negaramu.
Ujung2 nya sama juga mau komunis mau liber sama2 sengsara
Every nation has itself history. Can't believe Indonesia has grown up quickly in reformation era
Dark Age of Indonesia 1965-1998, a time when the two major ideologies of the world competed for influence, including in Southeast Asia between communists (USSR) and capitalists (America).
Dark age was old order....without Suharto...PKI will dominate politics after Sukarno died. I can't imagine what will happen. You can be arrested for playing western music, like what happened to Koes Plus
@@MultiDivebomber sebenernya jika pki berkuasa sama saja seperti rezim orba, kebebasan berbicara gaada, ekonomi yang sentralistik, kekuasaan militer yang besar, pelarangan buku kiri dan lagu lagu berbau kiri, tapi disini yang di bantai adalah militer dan Agamawan ekstrimis
Kalau pelarangan agama saya rasa tidak mungkin, karena sudah mengakar di masyarakat, paling ya sekularisasi negara
Negara satu partai? Tentu
Zaman Orba juga partai lain hanya embel-embel demokrasi saja, Golkar sudah seperti partai tunggal di negara2 komunis
Kebijakan repelita nya pun mirip kebijakan Stalin saat awal memimpin Soviet
@@swarnabhumiarunika6502 jaman orba itu sebenanya bebas berekspresi, asal jangan mengkritik pemerintah. Perkembangan ekonomi sangat cepat, jika dibanding orla. Kalau pak karno dan pki berkuasa, konflik dengan malaysia/barat berlanjut, inflasi terus menggila, industri tidak berkembang karena minim investasi, represi terhadap kaum relijius terus berlanjut seperti peristiwa kanigoro.
@@MultiDivebomber represi terhadap kaum religius kalau menurut saya lebih ke kaum religius yang diduga berafiliasi dengan politik, karena anggota PKI sendiri banyak yang masih religius.
Lagipula prinsip komunisme bukan melarang Agama tapi sekularisme negara, tapi kalau PKI lebih condong ke maoisme, anggota partai kemungkinan akan dilarang beragama
@@MultiDivebomber ya, kecuali Indonesia mendapatkan bantuan Soviet dalam mengembangkan ekonomi dan industri mungkin hal itu tidak terjadi, dan karena dibantu Soviet Indonesia akan sangat bergantung pada Soviet yang berujung krisis ekonomi di tahun 90'an saat Soviet runtuh
Sekarang, Indonesia jangan mau dipecah belah sama ORMAS.
Jokowi bakal makin disayang rakyat kalo berani Bubarin ormas" sampah
Buzzerp disayang Jokowi!
@@fmyang7589 apakah anda ikut ormas yang suka sweeping
@@wachidrohman5811 wkwk gausah nuduh lu sama aja kaya yg terkena provokasi juga apa bedanya! Nama islam tapi kelakuan tidak mencerminkan seorang muslim wkwk Tonton ceramah TNI tentang indonesia sebenarnya sedang dijajah dari dalam! Seperti kamu ini saling nuduh wkwk
tentu saja yg sering rampok duit negara adalah ORMAS
apalagi yg lambangnya "Red Bull"
with more than 17 thousand islands and countless of ethnicity and various religion, i often wonder, how can we still endure and unify as a nation
We can endure by remembering that our ancestors were suffering for 350 years of enslavement and colonialism, no matter what their ethnics or religions were and only managed to free themselves by uniting together.
Hope Indonesia didn't end up like Yugoslavia
My thought exactly. It's a miracle that this country is a country. I often think, what really unified us? Or at least gave us some sense of unity? A national language? A "Bhinneka Tunggal Ika" slogan? A shared history against colonialism? Very interesting.
@@catlover7 a huge part of it is educational indoctrination. Indonesian children are taught from a young age they are one nation. We are reaping dividends from our civic education.
@@cloudysoup9056 Hopefully...
Thank you so much for covering TNI history.
@@ts8404 yes, save papuan civilians from the rebels! They killed children and teacher in papua.
I hope my country gets better and better in the future...
i salute your president from philippines
a true ally, friend, and brother.
Having lived in the three countries your docu was based on - excellent work thank you
Duterte of Philippines and Widodo of Indonesia are very Great Leaders from Singapore
I totally agre. I really like the present Presidents of Phillipines and Indonesian now. Good choice and good fortune for these both countries in Asia👍🏻👍🏻.
Philippine president is a mass murderer and a Chinese agent
@@quattrobajeena8623 lol😂.proof. come to the Philippines first. You are just a FAKE NEWS..
BJ Habibie is the best president imho. He was engineer and never attempted to seek power. He's smart and wise during the transition period from New Order to democratic. He succeded to prevent coup and lowered inflation. May his soul rest in peace.
Great Indonesia, so many experience 👍👍
Video yang menambah pengetahuan tentang sisi lain dari Indonesia. Mantap lanjutkan.
Bisa juga lihat referensi lain dari channel Watchdoc Documentary dan Watchdoc Image
Sayang gkda sub indonya 🙁
this video must be watched by general min in miyanmar. hope to become general plus
bangsa yang kuat berkaca dari sejarah, long live Indonesia ku
It s very dark chapter in our history in 1965. as indonesians, we have to admit that the mass killings happened, although most of us dont. i m not against my own country, but i am against injustice and mass killings.
Philippines and Indonesia are remaining stronger allies and friendship since the formation it’s relations in 1949, a year when the Dutch recognized Indonesia sovereignty thanks to it’s friend Philippines and other nations
Indonesia has a unique democracy in this world.
The power of the people with the abundance of demographics and the strength of natural disasters and their cultural diversity.
It requires a military force that is grounded and able to ward off outside interference and radicalisation that is increasingly threatening from within.
Unlike Myanmar military, still thinking they're in feudal times. The need to rule the citizen thru traditional military despots (generals). Power suppose in the hands of the people, not any institution.
Alhamdullilah kami sudah rasakan freedom dan komunitas toleran ummat beragama Terimakasih kepada parapahlawan revolusi ,& merdekakan RI 17-08-1945
Semoga bangasa Indonesia dari Sabang to Merauke sibuk membangun kemajuan bangasa demi kemakmuran seluruh Rakyat Indonesia
Jangan rayakan duku bang masih banyak perlu freedom dan toleransi, tetapi setidaknya lebih baik dari era sebelumnya
_Jangan melupakan sejarah!!!_
👌🏻😊👍🏻
terkadang sejarah bisa berbohong + siapa yang menang pemenang yang merubah segalanya
@@schatz998 tidak semuanya begitu bro. Ambil positifnya aja...
Lupakan 17M
peace, unity & harmony
we can achieve this step with military became closer to the people and they act fairly without pushing their own agenda to the civilian goverment.after all we realize that we should united if we want to succeed
Jepang masuk sebagai "Pembela bangsa Asia" Mereka mereka mengajari kami tentang kedisiplinan dan kebanggaan sebagai orang Asia, tapi dengan berjalan nya waktu sistem nya tidak sesuai dan melenceng jauh dari kata prinsip proud to be Asian, mulai ada kolonialisme yang dibangun oleh Jepang pada masa itu, karena memang Indonesia waktu masih dibawah Belanda juga dimanfaatkan sda dan sdm nya, ketika Sekutu ingin merebut kembali lalu munculah prinsip-prinsip awal tadi, Jepang tidak rela jika Indonesia jatuh lg ke tangan Sekutu, karena memang Jepang sebagai Bangsa Asia terkuat pada jaman nya ingin mewujudkan bahwa Asia lebih kuat dari Eropa atau bangsa2 lain. Makanya waktu Hiroshima & Nagasaki dibom kita mendapat banyak bantuan dr Jepang untuk segera memproklamasikan kemerdekaan, dengan itu Sekutu tidak lagi bisa mengobrak abrik lagi.
Sungguh banyak kepentingan pada jaman itu, sejarah memang menarik untuk dikenang...
Honestly, even the USA still needs military involvement in politics in some capacity. Their history is full of retired military men holding the roles in civic govt.
TNI bersama Rakyat . Indonesia maju. Together we build e better future 💪💪💪 🇮🇩
Amazing Documentary, well done CNA!
*CIA
New order era be like:
Me: Play Genjer - Genjer
Them: *yOu CoMMiE?*
@@Yes-ct1md no, it's not
@@AlfaOmega2503 then Play "The Internationale" instead
@@cloudysoup9056 i do, nothing happened
@@AlfaOmega2503 then play it with commie flag
Or sing Hava Nagila with David Star flag
TNI always gonna be our guardian in Indonesia, we respect them. and i'm happy bc they focus on more important thing rather than politic for a long time now and always gonna be in the future..
TNI biggest OPPRESSORS and abusers in the World.
Indonesia is a criminal military dictatorship.
Nice documentary. Very interesting!
@@ts8404 none actually cares. Stop spamming
@@ts8404 another idiot SJW from france.
My grandfather and my uncle in Malang, presumed kidnaped by the anti comunist movement, just because they never went to mosque ( they were Catholic) and probably got to Bali and killed, said my mom
Muslims used that moment to eradicate the infidels.
Play victims !!
@@AndyLouHongkong just accept the facts
my family were only common folks, not leaning towards one end, either military or communists. but not until recently the elders willing to speak up about their communist and alleged communist neighbors being drowned in the river by paramilitary forces when they were kids.
it was different times back then. i pray your family and million others who were unjustly killed without trials will receive justice eventually.
At that time people were very sensitive to communism until Suharto took advantage of this to take over the Presidential Chair and sell the communist issue which killed millions of people because they were accused without being tried first
Indonesia should have been much more advanced if religious people did not overly pester the country
or if no one uses religion as a weapon in politics
Self proclaimed "most religious people" actually prohibited by Islam
So becareful to them
fake democracy
True from an Indonesian
Those biggots do not believe in Democracy but using democracy as their tool😂
We should remember, the majority of the army involved in Indonesian Politics are Indonesian Ground Forces (TNI-AD), they are Soeharto's favorite. Indonesian Airforce is dumped during Soeharto regime, due to their past that shows loyalty to Soekarno.
The remnant of New Order that still involved in politics now are mostly came from TNI-AD too, and if you notice, the army Generals who always bring up the PKI issue have TNI-AD backgrounds. No one in Airforce or Navy bothers with PKI issue, since only Ground forces will triumph by bringing up the long gone communism/PKI issue.
Very interesting thanks CNA
I hope in your next episode wiill tackle the Philippine military in politics
This documentary didn't mentioned any CIA involvement.
Yup! CIA 🇺🇸 doesn’t like Soekarno.
CIA play big part in indonesian chinese suffering
Yup as always
CIA involved because 'they' covet gold on Papua 😆
Indonesia is something I would love to admire.
As an Indonesian citizen and a Muslim I bid thanks to the Ottoman empire for spreading Islam in Indonesia and I hope that prosperity, justice, and unity will always be bestowed on our country
Fkin ottoman moron
@@farrelhidayat8262 lol. Why would you thank people for spreading Islam? Islam is not that great to begin with.
Ummah foolish Ummah
@@truthseeker1934 lol You know, if you don't know about our country's history, you'd better keep your mouth shut, and would it be wrong for someone to thank them for their service?
Orang Indonesia mana?... Kita haruslah besatu padu dan meninggalkan hoax agar negara kita bisa lebih maju dan aman dimasa kedepan
Salam dari Malaysia 😉🇲🇾
bacot
@@davykusumah2427 -_-" oh god why? why is this kinda person exist? why!?...
Bacot
@@davykusumah2427 bacot juga lu anjng
Excellent!great!awesome and wonderfully
Educational and balanced doco on the Indonesian military.
And will only be USED as SACRIFICIAL LAMBS for the EVIL POWERS that be... What foolish people... The only ones that LOVE this docu are SIMPLETONS and FOOLS who FAILED to see that ASIA will become battleground in future war....
@@KevinTroy777 keep trolling with your fictions
@@DaengKulle795 Pffftt... Duterte is right.... Asia should only join future wars if the Battleground should be NY or La or any other EU country!!! But I bet your simpleton brain wont be able to process this...
@@KevinTroy777 your duterte is a murderer, killing his own citizen. Indonesia do not have any claims on south china sea. Do not drag indonesia to your war against China.
@@DaengKulle795 Duterte has 92% approval rating... Also Duterte only ordered for criminals and druglords to be punished.... Unlike WESTERN LEADERS who ordered to bomb and kill millions not just in the Middle East but all over the world!!! Again you're too simpleton to understand all of this... Get off your HYPOCRITICAL highhorse you SIMPLETON...
Respect for a man who steps down
@Alief Arkhan F Wiranto had choice to coup reformist and make junta out of Indonesia
I wish everyone safe and sound in this pandemic's time.
It's been more than a year with covid and travel restriction everywhere and I need a holiday already!
Mengerikan
Long live Indonesia from ur Democratic Neighbor PHILIPPINES.
“Who his political career is looking less likely with a string of charges mounting up“… I don’t think the people of our country would put a lot of weight behind them 😂
Wow Singaporean Media just making documentary about Indonesia after our Corruption Eradication Commisions (KPK) accused them as hotbed place for corruptions 😂
Coba tuh media Singapura kritik pemerintah nya pasti langsung di bredel, oposisi pun gak ada di Singapura, warga nya hidup seperti robot semua gerak gerik rakyat nya di awasi ketat jng sampe kritik pemerintah😂😂
😂😂😂
Coz if Singapore have an extradition law then every corruptor from all over the world will be fucked and Singapore wont be sexy anymore for a business capital of SEA
Singapur negara ta??
Kupikir kecamatan...
Hmmm
@@bonzlova engga tau jokes diem
Indonesia most powerful country no 1 in south east asia and powerful in asia✊