Jiddu Krishnamurti on leaving theosophy
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"He was making us do our own work, mentally and emotionally, and that is the last thing we expected of him."
I find it interesting how he refers to himself in the third person, i.e. "the boy." I also find it interesting how he says that "nothing penetrated him" (mentally) because he was "vague" and "dreamy," as a boy and young man. So when he finally began speaking his mind, it wasn't an issue of having "doubts" about what the Theosophists expected of him, as much as it simply being an issue that all their expectations for and of him simply didn't "stick" in his mind. He saw clearly how they simply didn't apply to him. Talk about hollow expectations! What a shock it must have been for all those who had invested so much of their lives and money to set up the "world teacher" to then have him desolve it all from one day to the next! The irony, of course, is that they were indeed "clairvoyant" for they were not wrong. He indeed would become a world teacher, just not in the way they thought and expected he would . . . Something that K is leaving out of his recollection, if I'm to trust the biography I read years ago on his life, is that it was actually the sudden and unexpected death of his brother that caused him to question everything the Theosophists had inculcated in him. From what I recall, his brother had suffered with an ailment for some time, but they assured K that he, the brother, would be fine. K was extremely close to his brother growing up, since the two of them had been extricated from their home and family in India and taken away to England to be educated. So when the brother died, it rocked his foundation and trust in all those around him, and this was the real cause for his realization that everything he had been brought up to believe was an illusion, if not an outright lie. It was then that he turned his back on the Star of the East and the theosophists and struck out on his own, ultimately fullfiling the role he was predestined to be, that of world teacher.
This guy is not the main street holy man. He is an enigma.
Wonderful! Beside him talking about the problems of life, sometimes it's good to hear JK taking about how it all started.
Thanks for the post.
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Love you sir... You taught me what love is. Thank you... My best friend you are sir... Wish I could find words to describe my love for you sir.
I'm very happy I found Jiddu Krishnamurti
You found urself
Let it be, let it be
In my hour of darkness He is standing right in front of me..
they wanted to make him the world teacher........he became the world teacher.
Well he went solo=his ego said I won't take orders from you phoneys.
But how reliable was their prophetic vision about him if they were phoneys.?
Yeah, I've never heard him be anything other than clear
@Big Boy Justin A world teacher...not.
Jesus-Buddha-Muhamed=world teachers.
Even Satya Sai Baba with his millions of followers was not a world teacher.
The frounder of TM/ Marshi Maheshi Yogi had alot of people take his courses.
He died in 2008 worth 4 billion dollars.But again not a world wide following.
No one can make anyone a world teacher. They are born.
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Jiddu Krishna Murthy is indeed A World Teacher. Wisdom Thought💐🙏
Thank you very very much for the linik connecting to the full video!
Great Work you are doing.
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thats why he was a great teacher...because he dident had a image...no ego...and they saw it😊
This is beautiful to hear Krishnamurti voice about his journey as boys, he and his brother, into theosphy and beyond.
Mary Lutyens "The Life and Deat of Krishnamurti," I have had for years as when I found him and after his death many visits to his home and library in Ojai, California.
Thank you, Krishnamurti Foundation for continuing his works and his lectures and his books remain with us.
He did become become the world teacher.
David Bohm's voice is heard on the background of this interview.
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Nice to listen the great info. Listening to JK's lectures is like real blessings. Highest form of intelligence.
The biography 'Krishnamurti: The Reluctant Messiah' by Sidney Field, who was a personal friend of Mr. Krishnamurti is a good read and goes into some of this information about his experience with the Theosophical Society and his attempted dissolving/leaving the organization. Very interesting book!
Can you explain me in short what this book is about
@@MayankYadavdivine no, read it
@@MayankYadavdivineThe comment you replied to clearly said it.
A stepping stone without which he would have had a different trajectory.
a demented full of it freem as0nic stepping stone, but we won't discuss that anywhere or at any time. @@dianeyoung8068
When your spot on there's nothing anyone can do but get it!
Leadbeater has indeed predicted right. JK is truly a world teacher and whose philosophy is the way of peace for anyone. Thanks to TH-cam. JK will live forever.
Wasn't his important teaching-NO GURUS.?And yet he spent his life teaching/writing books acting as a GURU.
@@tr7b410 A caution given by JK in all his talks is not to give authority to him and accept whatever he says but to verify and see the reality as it is. His words are like a mirror for our self reflection. What is useful is his timeless message and never the messenger.
@Life is Good Sorry but his background-coming out of Theososphy & their somewhat dubious characters, cannot get me onboard for his messages.
I see him taking over any interview whoever he is with=egotistical nature.
Indeed his own schools are geared for philosophy.
I had a friend that went to his high school in England.It was expensive & during the rare moments he was there,the students were told not to speak to him.And when he ate in the cafeteria he sat on a raised dias with the trustee's.
I see him as an Aristotle not a Mystic.
He also never had any charitable endeavors another player on the stage= receiving but never giving.
@@tr7b410 Let us not go in the direction of personality analysis. Everyone will have their own perception and interpretation.
What matters is our day to day life and if his talks are of any help in being a mirror, that is enough.
Wow!!!! First time to hear that directly from him. Thank you 🌻🙏💞🌌
he told this many times
You can see why people were taken by that quality of vacancy he had. Almost like a natural instinct that many of us lose as we go through life. He maintained it all his life. Nothing and no one got to him.
I could be wrong here, but he always spoke from that vacancy. Which is probably silence. And may be why he could point out all this stuff most of us have difficulty seeing. Vacancy or silence, seems to put all that aside.
Vacancy itself is nothing special, or to be worshipped, or take a drug for. I always think of that interview with one of JK's friends at Brookwood Park that said: "When I first met him, I didn't think he had a brain." Funny and true at same time.
Thank you for sharing. Yes the vacancy is clear. Its beautiful isn't it.
You would be wrong. I think he had massive blind spots just like most humans, putting his very fine work to the side. Vacancy? He said memory is always there but needn't intrude psychologically. That's not vacancy. He said to use it when needed, say e.g., fixing a car which he claimed himself able to do.
@@TokyoShemp Of course I'm not saying he was vacant from morning til night. And still used knowledge, etc, when required. He's human like us after all.
Well the meaning of vacancy means: not occupied/empty space. And i think his mind was far less occupied than me for example. I'm quite the chatterer inwardly unfortunately haha. But even i can see that K didn't have that chattering mind like many of us do. That what i was getting at.
The best thing he ever said was to stop looking at himself as important to the message or as an entertainment. You are imho fixating on words seeking to form a system to live by. It's about spectrums and dormancy. We must think for ourselves. Things did get to Krishnamurti and he was anything but perfect. He admitted that because deep down he had flaws and was as messed up as anyone. He was as conditioned as anyone despite thinking otherwise. I saw scarce video of him living it up, as in egotistically. I watched him on many occasions be rude to people or get agitated towards them. He would have exposed Theosophy for the demented society destroying herd mentality it has become if he had truly become self-actualised. Krishnamurti was overrated. I did it too. I thought he was great, too. Then I found out the most honest thing he ever said was that he wasn't anything special.@@Scott-M1
@@TokyoShemp No i agree. I've never worshipped the guy, and certainly never had the idea that he was perfect in any way... But there's some things he does point out that are true, and which i happen to agree and resonate with. Like most people who have good points about life.
Would be interesting to see those videos you mention of him not being a nice person. Thanks.
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A system of thaughts tried to dictate this man life, deeply hurted, he replied by talking of freedoom ...a Tao of broken spontaneity ...I love his gentle soul...
They saw that he was the future world teacher. But then they couldn’t help transforming him into the new Christ, and put him at the head of a religion. He teared-off all that fake illusion, and this was his first lesson, as the world teacher.
They where looking for Manly P. Hall but found him😅
i heard a talk of his he was talking of importance of sitting silently in morning with school student in 2018
He proved that he is a world teacher by refusing an authority of fake teacherhood
...and then went on to profit as a perceived authority. He played the classic "Guru Game"- i.e. talked in circles around the questions of seekers. He was a charlatan and exploiter- just like Leadbeater.
⚠️ Leadbeater and Anne Bessant predicted right. Krishnamurti would be a kind of a "world teacher", but not the way they thought it would be. Krishnamurti maintains that in spirituality, there can't be no authority at all, no masters, no saviours, no belief systems, no gurus. Every person should be a light to itself. Discover IF there's something "sacred" beyond the limitations of "thought" by themselves. In other words, everybody should track their own path, not following any book, any religion, any system. This is very difficult, because it assumes that each of us should discover through a life journey, as Buddha did. But almost no people are interested in discover who they are. They want someone to tell them who they are, or what they are. This is so absurd, as the guy who arrived at a hotel, asking to the receptionist, who is he. So, K. teaches on a different way: He asks questions, to awake each one to their own answers. He points the problems, and offers ways and doubts. He wants everyone to discover by themselves. ( ... Don't believe what I say... K. ) 🙏👍❤️
That's awfully scary. To be a god. Thankfully, I'm Christian, and not a Hindu.
@@kiavaxxaskew The reasons for conflict, wars, and all evil on earth is exactly by the fact that each one is taught to belong to a little box: I'm Christian, I'm Hindu , I'm Muslim...and so on. When you put yourself inside a box, everything outside the box is taught to be wrong. Everyone is wrong, but us, so we have to bring e everybody to our box or kill the infidels ! Imagine there's no religion, no sacred books, no ancient doctrines written by lost people loster than we are. Let's perceive if there's something sacred beyond intellectualism. That's the way it should be, not believe on religions imposed by our society, by the eternal conditioning that all mankind are imposed since birth, family, schools, society, etc. But see, when not helped by any lie or fairy tail, men have fear. They prefer to live on their illusions without questioning everything. They live according to their lies. 🙏👍
@@kiavaxxaskewAll of you have issues.
He was boundless.
I find it a bit strange he refers to himself in the third person and doesn't remember his own childhood.
Cuz he was not Awaken he was just like u and me
Because he had aphantasia brought about by the malaria
Can you please identify the location in the photograph. It looks very much like Ashdown Forest near my home so i suspect it could be at Old Lodge (Countess De La Warr's home).
Ironically 99% of the people of the world don't know who the hell he is
When was this recorded?
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The members of theosophical society in that time , belived that krishnamurti will be a world teacher .when he talked as the teacher they did’t listen to his words. They were expecting a human body to worship rather to change themself.
I dont understand why he is saying they didnt know what they are doing if they do prepare him for the role he would make all his life
A person's show can be mistaken as an image. When we do not have the fundamental "set up" of "in person" communication , as in this audio-visual, the imaginations of people can go "off."
One must have a great courage to dissolve the big organization. People with no self centered activities will be capable to do it. Adhi Shankar Nirvana Shataka and JK teachings are one and the same.
Can someone tell me where can I find this full interview.
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Can I find the full talk of this recording?
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"What happened was that I realised that Theosophy was a load of fucking balls."
9:58 a face of corruption: master and disciple.
Being a light to oneself is a lot easier said than done. In reference to the orthodox Christian Churches, I would say there is very little one could glean from their dogma. It's been so twisted and diluted since St. Paul got a hold of it.
In relation to Gurdjieff and his teaching, that is a method of waking up the true conscience. Gurdjieff taught a method of waking up. Different than that of yogis or Buddha etc.. Was there anything similar? I am not fully qualified to say, however Gurdjieff taught that Buddhism and other practices as they exist today are lopsided teachings.
I believe if one picks up Gurdjieff's Opus Magus, "BEEZLEBUB'S TALES TO HIS GRANDSON" and were to read it from beginning to end. (first read is difficult- it becomes more palatable on each successive read), then perhaps one will recognize why I consider the book a sacred text.
Also read "In Search of the Miraculous" and "The Fourth Way" both by P.D.Ouspensky.(Gurdjieff's top pupil) read and try to understand what is being given, one can do quite a bit on one's own IF you understand :Beelzebub's Tales".
"Conscious labor and Intentional Suffering" is the teaching. It IS the Work. There are free resources on line to help with the understanding. You will have to discern which are valuable. If it is providing good information, you will know.
Reading Beelzebub repeatedly IS a must. The other requirement is 'morning sitting'; essentially morning meditation for an hour if you can. This IS required. I was surprised to find many of the exercises taught by the Gurdjieff Group in California are exactly the same as those taught by the Rosicrucian order. Search TH-cam for this: "Rosicrucian practice or teaching"
People need to understand why they are doing these practices. Gurdjieff explains all that in his great book. If one is on the path and searching and has a wish, then read the book. The two titles by Ouspensky highly recommended.
Do you need to be part of a Gurdjieff "work group"? Maybe...to start with, however if you haven't read "Beelzebub's tales", why would you seek out a group? Because you're being lazy. Many people open Beelzebub and never make it through the opening chapter, because it IS a difficult read. It does get easier. This could be Gurdjieff's intention to ferret out those without a sincere wish. If you want enlightenment spoon fed, join Scientology (bring your checkbook). I respect Krishnamurti, but I disagree. This why history is filled with teachers and initiates. I worked with two different Gurdjieff groups over a 15 to 20 year period. I found them useful , but there can also develop an unhealthy dependence on an organization and perhaps even a saturation point. The work IS after all, on Oneself. Meditation and reading and studying Beelzebub IS the start. The nuances are in the two recommended Ouspensky books. Don't give up. Peace & Love.
So mote it be! Thank you for such suggestions. I am definitely going to give them a read. And I’m right there with ya.
Wow so interesting.
But not every Theosophy group is the same and this isn’t the aim of modern day Theosophy. This is a different sector. Annie Besant, in India.
I have listened to many ULT Theosophical classes online and they preach against praising/worshiping the “personality.” So, when I see this/hear this, I know one has to be acquainted with Theosophical history, origins and the different off-shoots to truly understand that groups branched off, and not all of those groups or ideas were truly aligned with true Theosophical beliefs/teachings.
They were right about JK ❤
Someone understood my comment ❤️
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They did it😂
Who is the ‘they’ being talked about here? The Theosophical society?
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Not so sure about that. In an interview with his one time secretary, Alan Naude, he said they were not entirely wrong, just not subtle enough. Subtely of mind is obviously a key to transformation could we not say ? Transformation of mind is the necessity of truth isn't it.
The advent of mysticism itself has generated a host of fictions, redundancies, and entrenched beliefs that continue unchallenged to this day. This is my challenge, which none of the gurus/influencers or their students/believers or whatever have taken me up on to date. Premise: A metamorphosis of the human being and the human condition is not only desirable but vital to our sustainability. To accomplish such a daunting transformation is "not" the domain of philosophy, academia, or some therapeutic encounter with a so-called teacher, practice, or community, but rather of "enterprise", itself, radically formatted for the task. Case in point, we have made it our primary industry to kill one another in order to defend our collective greed, inner fears, hostilities, addictions, and distractions that have also been made into massive profit centers, along with hospitals, pharmacies, herbal remedies and the like to cure us from the same. Nowhere have we proceeded with the same intent to harness our creative energies to profoundly change all aspects of our lives and world. The idea that there is a spiritual reality apart from our secular condition is itself a form of mass hypnosis and a schizoid state, introduced and fortified from birth to grave. K rejected theosophy as a trap, and here, I am rejecting K, not as an enlightened individual, but as a movement that he himself was exhorting everyone to reject in order to discover that primal or primary truth hidden behind the veil. I could say more, but to what purpose when genuine curiosity is in very short supply and even shorter demand.
It's disappointing to hear him providing the Theosophical Society with any respect at all. They were completely demented.
It may be more than demented... Theosophy was part of the means by which British imperialism gained influence over people in the vague sense and also for specific purposes (the way a programmed cult follower can be made to do things others would find appalling, but that furthers the aims of their handlers). The British have always been good at coopting and soc engineering. They use it to push events in their favor, in fact, mysticism has been used for that probably for millennia by the cultivators of empire (a torch the British took up starting in the late 16th century).
The Theosophists were behind some very bad things... it was directly associated with the Third Reich's occultism: Theosophy was morphed into Ariosophy and Vril and then into the Thule Society from which the Nazi Party was built.
It may be more than demented from what I understand... Theosophy was part of the means by which British imperialism gained influence over people in the vague sense and also for specific purposes (the way a programmed cult follower can be made to do things others would find appalling, but that furthers the aims of that to which they're devoted). The British have always been good at coopting and soc engineering. They use it to push events in their favor, in fact, mysticism has been used for that probably for millennia by the cultivators of empire (a torch the British took up starting in the late 16th century).
The Theosophists were responsible some very bad things... it was directly associated with the Third Reich's occultism: Theosophy was morphed into Ariosophy and Vril and then into the Thule Society from which the Nazi Party was built.
@@jtzoltan Thanks for the info. My intuition knew it was more than demented and with actual influence, but I didn't look into it like you did. The other day I did search theosophy with freemasonry and found them promoting it. I knew they were freemasonic in nature but not that they would outright peddle it. And so, I can now see the extent of deception in place in regards to societal control and how there is not one f v c k i n g thing we can do about this. It doesn't matter that we are smarter and have ethics. They control the game and all the pieces, so to speak, and Krishnamurti was sort of kinda the consolation prize for sensitive good souls.
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He was the chosen one in the sense that he was the enlightened one, the saint or whatever name you put on it. the teaching dough has always been the same. It never deeply differs. Just the way it is put into form differs.
For me, JK is all about freedom. Total freedom. And what happens when you are free? Liberated? You are left with the TRUTH...
U take him as a great teacher fortunately he became nothing 🪷
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I have no concentration to listening to this :-/ I just want to state a few things from my opinion: I don't like the (possible) concept of Gurus, an essential person that You never can reach and this in some sense as the concept of pedestalization of Saints = a never reachable thing. Don't get me wrong, they are to me and You prob. not reachable but it is the hindrance in the attempt comming them near = the attempt to try to get so much better that You can deem this as a personal growth = a partial step/attempt towards the Saints as in opposition to the mentioned unconstructive pedestalization. (Maybe I'm wrong with any of this, please note my will for growth, the good and honesty towards God!) Now, maybe he is reffering to hinduism and even if not, there is a hughe issue in the Religions, thus the path to the greater truth is narrow but however not that essential! If You read the Quran where God is, from some aspect, just for some, actually ok with the problematic Christian take on Jesus is God. Anyway, You can picture the religious and "mind" issues from how the Sihk started: "Christianity and the Quran bear some teuth however not to the fully and we are starting therefore an new Religion" ok, I have to be diplomatic: If the Sikh are wrong, it would only uncover the everfailing fine AND weak human junction between the intellect, emotions and belief as well as the un-truthful and not so good listening to other not-truthful and not so good; The naked lead the blind.
Isn't his favorite teaching:Dont follow any gurus.?And yet his whole efforts were to be a guru.
He was always telling, don't follow the speaker. Look within.
@@clodhopper-dodo So you don't need to buy his books & listen to his lectures.
@@tr7b410 I need to buy books sometimes but while reading I should look within myself many times . He has no method or formula. He is not important. The ordinary readers might get an illusion that he acted as Guru. Guru is an authority. He did not give commandments. Therefore during his last days, he said nobody truly understood what he had said.
@@clodhopper-dodo Your use of semantics is untenable.
he said bcos there are many exploitation n this field since ages.
Yep, they made a big mistake, I just don’t know why he kept on touring around the country preaching when he really had little to say other than the obvious which is question authority, which is just common sense. And he clearly had no substantive teaching of any use to anybody, IMO.
Just another fraud.
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Did Krishnamurti visit Roswell, New Mexico in 1947? I understand that he was asked to and did visit for a special purpose.
For the ufo crash ?
whaat
He lectured the alien
Note he won't even name Leadbeater. Because he was quite literally his butt-boy. Leadbeater even admitted it in court. "Doesn't remember" He certainly remembered how to play Leadbeater's game though.
The Theosophical Society did nothing more than exploit Victorian Era superstitions and the emerging New Age movement. Sincere seekers always left them- with the smartest one being Steiner.
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