This is how a conversation should happen between 2 people. In this world, everyone shouts and no one listens. We forget how to listen with respect and with full awareness of the other person's view.
Also, it need not be a conversation between equals, but the sincerity to listen and understand. For this reason, such talks are so much better than interviews.
The take away is to be choicelessly aware , so that there’s is no duality, no conflict.Finally Quality of mind is free from the me therefore no separation & we discover the unity as the living thing. These insights are mind blowing I’ll say this learning as the best what we acquired in this life time.
19:24 Try this exercise; look at ( experience) a sunset without using words ( even mentally ) to describe it. In fact, don’t describe it at all - just experience it fully, directly without word labels. Doing this exercise demonstrates this idea.
I once did that with a painting on a wall where I lived almost thirty years ago because an acting coach I had instructed me to do so. The effect was mind boggling for the next two to three weeks as I experienced a major shift in awareness pretty much 24/7.
You can actually do it with anything. And when you do it with really mundane things, you realize how you usually live in a sleepy-state because even the most boring thing is actually amazing when you look at it without giving any interpretation.
@@aliveli-hq6zk If you can see divinity in him then you didn't got eyes and ears and heart. Cuz its doesn't matter who it is if he is with truth then he is divine Truth is divine.
I was only 11 when I first read his “Freedom From The Known”, and even at that age it all made sense, as though I knew it all (except the timelessness part) It may have been easier for me to understand him because of my unconditioned mind. He has been my teacher since. 🧘♀️
That’s such a profound awareness, the unconditioned mind is very abstract and as it becomes conditioned, ideas start forming, opinions, perceptions making it incapable of just being and enjoying…good, bad or indifferent.
Everyone should read at least one of Krishnamurti's books and really try to grasp what he's trying to convey in his lectures. If you're very religious, into enlightenment, consciousness, spirituality, or higher self, you might have a hard time understanding what message he's trying to passed forward. You will want for him to give you a method, a mantra, a routine to enlightenment, but that won't happen. I was that person that was looking for self realization but instead I learned so much more. Also read the story of his life, very interesting.
@@carpenterfamily6198 First watch 8 video lecture series ' The real revolution ' th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4wKy6tSVR4LjHIGrwkWC1u.html&feature=share then read 1. Freedom from the known - Jiddu krishnamurti After this read 2.Commentaries on living
Carpenter family I started with the small classic Think on These Things, the most widely read book. Then I found Flight of the Eagle and Freedom from the Known. However, to me, the most all-encompassing, must-read book is The Awakening of Intelligence. The beauty of this last book is that it gives a whole series of talks, maybe 4 or 5, so that you see how he starts from a wide, global level to the personal, internal perspective. You see him do this in different places and on different dates. It is the whole of the Teachings, long and comprehensive. I read this before watching any videos and I feel it helped me stay with him when I began to watch videos. In fact, he cancelled a tour of Latin America because he said people couldn’t understand him because they had not read enough.
Bennie Rodriguez I, too, was that person. Perhaps, most of us are. As for his life, for me, it was more than interesting. So fascinating, mysterious, and incomprehensible. So many events had to come together for him to be discovered, then raised, by the theosophists, then leaving them. Why did it happen? Who was he? Was he unique in human history? Did he appear when the world needed him? Why did he give his whole life to help humanity, never wanting anything, never expecting a result? Who does that? No contradiction, year after year, for over 60 years.
@@rlgraves & @ Sanket Sirsat how do you reconcile the fact that he had a long afair with a married woman of his editor, among other things regarding that entire family? Somehow there is a discrepancy between the state of mind he portrays that none has reached but him and his actions. The teaching seems profound but his actions don't fully reflect that.
It's fascinating to see Krishnamurti talk with someone he clearly feels understands what he's talking about. Normally he seems terribly frustrated and annoyed at people.
I’ll be going through Alan Watts and it’s like the funny biology teacher. And then Ram Dass is like the interesting social studies teacher. But Krishnamurti is like that AP Physics professor that used to work at NASA and doesn’t get why I don’t get it
thats what your ego said. many others exposed this. Ramana Maharshi did it without repeating "the me as me without conciousness of being concious.." your ego love to honor him as the only true one , fail :) said my ego. Many have exposed the ego trap. hes not alone, or the best, thats what you like to imagine . thats another layer of your ego. you need sharper insights to realise hes not the only one that have understood it.
Father Eugene Schaller. Thank you for your tremendous effort, you have achieved to extract the truth JK sir has been trying to deliver..Your aim is to make the truth understood by people like me. Your are amazing Father Eugene Schaller. 🙏🏽
One of the beautiful , content full interview which I have seen for first time, Credit equally goes to the interviewer, because he really had the depth of knowledge, the sense of understanding of the subject..its a so subtle subject elegantly covered and made presentable with simple words.....
How can the observer be the observed when it is that which is observing the observed? it seems very much distinct from what it observes, no? i.e. subject (observer) object (observed)
@@Corteum u are caught in thought . Thought is so cunning that its plays tricks upon tricks . It wants continuity and security .It prevent you from looking reality as it is. It originates fear pleasure desire conflict in one's mind . So the question that what happens after when you realised observer is the observed or who is observer or what is observerd this cant be find out by thought . Because thought is responce of memory . You need choiceless awarness without motive i.e sharp attention in that attention you will find there is neither the observer nor the observed . There is no ' I ' or any entity who is attending ...there is only state of attention then only u will discover what j k tells the unknown / immeasurable .
@@sanketsirsat6670 wow thanks for this comment 🙏 this stuff is definitely precious but hard for me to grasp sometimes. Your comment really helped 👌 thanks x
Excellent conversation, they just demonstrated what they were talking about. When one is not opinionated, is free from ego. Only then one can see as it is! They did this together!
Truly remarkable man with so much depth that most people have to watch many times to grasp it all. J. Krishnamurti is a true inspiration and we are so fortunate that he was an Indian! Cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect
> cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect. You are bringing your pity political opinions which dont have any intrinsic value on themselves here, under a video where JK explains how to get rid of the "me" and all of nuances that it brings with it. Just think for a second 😂😂
yep his way to word it is sometimes too simple or too complex. i like what he says, but not how he says it. the language barrier is "real" there. easy to get stuck not understanding what he mean, Basicly exposing ego explaining 20 time "me isnt me with me not me without me concious conciousness"
K got too hung up on the contrast between pricess and timelessness. The “me” is not wholly distinct from the not me, and in liberators “practice” this “me” turns inwards, it’s a thorn used to remove a thorn. Without preparation, the “instantaneous” awakening of intelligence that K advocated simply will not “occur”.
Truthful human being. All what can be answered by him as human has been answered with the so much clarity and purity of his heart. Love it. Thank you so much for sharing pearls of wisdom.
I am 16 y/o .i am trying to bring his teaching into everyday action others wise there is no any other point in listening like school lecture and doing nothing.
23:10 “To be choicelessly aware. Because to choose, as we do, is one of our greatest conflicts. And we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom which is the antithesis of freedom. It’s absurd.”
Sir Krishna Murthy. An act of God to bring clarity in between chaos of thoughts. I miss being in his so called physical presence. He remains. Thank you sir. I surrender to your clarity.
K: To be choicelessly aware. Because _to choose, as we do, is one of our great conflicts._ S: And *we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom, which is the antithesis of freedom.* (23:10) I had to pause and let this sink in. This gets towards the root of why we actively bring suffering into our lives and kindle it rather than extinguish it. There is a great delusion in our society that success and happiness come from freedom to choose. To choose a career, to choose a religion, to choose a home - the American Dream. But when we become invested in these "choices" and we are unaware of the categorization that is inherent in such an image of self-agency, we reify that categorization, and promote a horrible cycle that draws us further from seeing the truth. We use memory and thought to guide us through our life's work, which may involve choosing a carpet or a partner or what have you. This choosing process, necessary for our lives, may coexist with an awareness of the implied duality, conformity and conditioning: K: But there is choice: I choose that carpet better than the other carpet. At that level choice must exist. But *when there is an awareness of yourself, choice implies duality, choice implies effort.* (24:03)
Simply profound. If i want to analyse this.. what J. Krishnamurti means is being aware is to see everything without a label. any kind of label ( colour, shape, function, attitude etc.). only then we can be truly aware of everything in its true nature. In the same way we will be able to be aware of ourselves without any kind of labels and hence since we don't label anything, we are all one. Hope that makes sense.
The issue is that when we try to see without any labels we are doing it. We are simply refusing to put labels. The me is still involved. Maybe what he is pointing at is simply being. Which is what we always are.
K's teachings are pure gold in order to end the toxic addiction to divisions reigning the world. As one uses abstractions to understand and to apprehend the world (including oneself) then one becomes addicted to the images created by these abstractions because of the futile sensation of security and power that is created. Seeing the truth of 'me' instantly (no 'timely' image) : 🙏💗
Now that is a deep conversation. I have watched the video for more that an hour, pausing it every 20 seconds. It's going to take a while. I am thankful for everything I've gathered from this.
Yes Yes Yes. Two good partners in discovering and sharing what each sees independently and meeting in a common point, each in his own words - to describe the interior experience. and how it can be better understood.... achieving an instant resolve to accord (change) as a function of perception alone.
Wow! That priest is dedicated to his craft. He was earnestly following what JK was saying so that he could better serve his community. What an exemplary man.
I see that the PRIEST is very intellectual and deeply analytical. Very thoughtful and listens so deeply. Analytical and not an actor or a public speaker. VERY INTELLECTUAL!
Around 20mn and something, instead of "choicelessly aware" I would say "equanimously aware", i.e. without judging ,without reacting with craving or aversion, just seing things or people as they really are, not as we would like them to be! I think and hope Krishnamurti ji would agree... I thank him for his way of teaching and making people aware and analyse what has become so reactional in our way of living and interacting with people and nature.
Our vocabulary falls short for what he's trying to put across.. Even the limitedness of our vocabulary reflects our consciousness or even unconsciousness.
Rules to have a conversation/discussion of this kind, with this kind of personality like K : 1.Accept that you don't know. But put your heart, mind and body to enquire into it(the subject matter). 2.Listen more - patiently and attentively; speak less. 3.Keep enquiring throughout the talk in that very instant--it's not your regular babaji's pravachan. To get inspired for the day and forget all about it the next day.. 4.Don't seek answers/explanations , but enquire into the question..there's no answer - only the question has to dissolve in understanding - and it's always "immediate".
This makes sense according to the Sikh scripture that it is happens instantly. You cannot will it, force it, practice it or do something to cause it. All of the sudden after hearing this all the light bulbs going off in my head. Thank you universe, really needed this.
What a marvelous statement from Mr. J. Krisnamurti: "..Emptying the mind brings Unity....Seeing as Facts...Not Conceptually.."..👍👏🤝 with Mr. Krisnamurti..Couldn't say any better and more clear than Mr. Krisnamurti did..Thank you for uploading this 🎥 clips and many others..👌🌹🌻🌈🦋..The questioner clearly showed that he was a "THEORY-MINDED" not an actual "LIVING-IT" whereas Mr. Krisnamurti spoke from the point of "KNOWING THRU LIVING"..His answers were very Precise and Straight to the point like arrow shoot straight to 🎯..🌸💟🕊..
yep his way to word it is sometimes too simple or too complex. i like what he says, but not how he says it. the language barrier is "real" there. easy to get stuck not understanding what he mean, Basicly exposing ego explaining 20 time "me isnt me with me not me without me concious conciousness"
This is the most profound philosophy about the nature of self,cheers to the few of us who understand it, at least in words, not really being 'choicelessly aware'
Well , even verbally can be the first step , I feel its very very hard to go beyond words , The 'me' afraids of going beyond words, to the deep silence .
I think the whole key to this awareness is to learn how to be completely present in the moment of observation. No distinction from interfering thought.
That is just the first step. We must observe and test this within ourselves and our lives. Watch yourself and find out. When I watch these I don’t just listen. I test for myself and don’t look for answers. Just see and observe without interference.
Choice-less awareness. Choice-less attention. Unity is a living thing, not a conceptual thing. Perceive without conception. Mind conceptions create separation and division. Emptying of mind concepts require no methodology or passage of time, but with one stroke of perception. Perception of the truth. Thanks Krishnamurti. 🦜🦚🦜🦚
I believe we nearly grasped this wisdom in the 60s 70s. It seemed to slip through our fingers. This current Age of Ego (celebrity culture), greed, destruction of the planet etc etc, is a result, it seems to me, of our inability to connect with our true selves, soul, spirit. The 60s were a time of true self examination. Could we go there again but this time in a more grounded way !!!. Krishnanmurthi, Ekhart Tolle and others can be the finger pointing at the Moon but can we see, I mean really see and begin a new golden age. I really hope so. Happy Belated New Year x
I am 18years of age now , I don't know how I am here but I think I found something precious ....
Don't lose it ever.
@@avijitdutta5194 he wont
Don't think......just know!
remember to do checks on your awareness and you will save a lot of time.
That is amazing 😉, all the best to you to carry it all the way to end .
This is how a conversation should happen between 2 people. In this world, everyone shouts and no one listens. We forget how to listen with respect and with full awareness of the other person's view.
A questão do ouvir corretamente....k
Also, it need not be a conversation between equals, but the sincerity to listen and understand. For this reason, such talks are so much better than interviews.
Raj Barua brilliant you are absolutely right
Listening, is an act of love! This is true dialogue.
Exactly
The take away is to be choicelessly aware , so that there’s is no duality, no conflict.Finally Quality of mind is free from the me therefore no separation & we discover the unity as the living thing.
These insights are mind blowing I’ll say this learning as the best what we acquired in this life time.
19:24 Try this exercise; look at ( experience) a sunset without using words ( even mentally ) to describe it. In fact, don’t describe it at all - just experience it fully, directly without word labels. Doing this exercise demonstrates this idea.
I once did that with a painting on a wall where I lived almost thirty years ago because an acting coach I had instructed me to do so. The effect was mind boggling for the next two to three weeks as I experienced a major shift in awareness pretty much 24/7.
Exactly..
You are making a choice to be aware. Be choiceless aware.
I am a fan of J krishna murthy At last I could see him throu this vidio I read most of his books. Thanks.
You can actually do it with anything.
And when you do it with really mundane things, you realize how you usually live in a sleepy-state because even the most boring thing is actually amazing when you look at it without giving any interpretation.
I love how excited and enthusiastic JK is. Infected by his divinity.
indeed. but not sure about divinity.
All cool dude,except his divinity...i think even he would rebute u here
@@aliveli-hq6zk If you can see divinity in him then you didn't got eyes and ears and heart.
Cuz its doesn't matter who it is if he is with truth then he is divine
Truth is divine.
@@dontdoit7761 ^
Exactly dude, his inner child was still alive :)
Krishnamurti will debate with anyone. He was enlightened, for sure. What a Legend.
I was only 11 when I first read his “Freedom From The Known”, and even at that age it all made sense, as though I knew it all (except the timelessness part) It may have been easier for me to understand him because of my unconditioned mind.
He has been my teacher since. 🧘♀️
I’m 15
And same situation 😁
😊😊😇🙏💚🌸
That’s such a profound awareness, the unconditioned mind is very abstract and as it becomes conditioned, ideas start forming, opinions, perceptions making it incapable of just being and enjoying…good, bad or indifferent.
I found him around 19, all that time before, where was I.!
It's a great text!!!
However, I don't think Krishnamurti would have been too happy to be called anyone's teacher lol
Everyone should read at least one of Krishnamurti's books and really try to grasp what he's trying to convey in his lectures. If you're very religious, into enlightenment, consciousness, spirituality, or higher self, you might have a hard time understanding what message he's trying to passed forward. You will want for him to give you a method, a mantra, a routine to enlightenment, but that won't happen. I was that person that was looking for self realization but instead I learned so much more. Also read the story of his life, very interesting.
Is there a particular book you would recommend ?
@@carpenterfamily6198 First watch 8 video lecture series ' The real revolution '
th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4wKy6tSVR4LjHIGrwkWC1u.html&feature=share
then read
1. Freedom from the known - Jiddu krishnamurti
After this read
2.Commentaries on living
Carpenter family I started with the small classic Think on These Things, the most widely read book. Then I found Flight of the Eagle and Freedom from the Known. However, to me, the most all-encompassing, must-read book is The Awakening of Intelligence. The beauty of this last book is that it gives a whole series of talks, maybe 4 or 5, so that you see how he starts from a wide, global level to the personal, internal perspective. You see him do this in different places and on different dates. It is the whole of the Teachings, long and comprehensive. I read this before watching any videos and I feel it helped me stay with him when I began to watch videos. In fact, he cancelled a tour of Latin America because he said people couldn’t understand him because they had not read enough.
Bennie Rodriguez I, too, was that person. Perhaps, most of us are. As for his life, for me, it was more than interesting. So fascinating, mysterious, and incomprehensible. So many events had to come together for him to be discovered, then raised, by the theosophists, then leaving them. Why did it happen? Who was he? Was he unique in human history? Did he appear when the world needed him? Why did he give his whole life to help humanity, never wanting anything, never expecting a result? Who does that? No contradiction, year after year, for over 60 years.
@@rlgraves &
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Sanket Sirsat how do you reconcile the fact that he had a long afair with a married woman of his editor, among other things regarding that entire family? Somehow there is a discrepancy between the state of mind he portrays that none has reached but him and his actions.
The teaching seems profound but his actions don't fully reflect that.
Just look at the tree, don't think. Makes me cry with joy.
Why iz he ?
Yes, this happen with me while doing dishes
It’s hard for occurrence in the visual field to appear without the mind instantly narrating it as what’s its perceived to be
😂
Why?
This conversation is so deep for me that I have to listen it twice to fully grasp K's words.What a great man he was. 🙏
It's fascinating to see Krishnamurti talk with someone he clearly feels understands what he's talking about. Normally he seems terribly frustrated and annoyed at people.
There was such a selfless desire to point others towards clearly seeing reality as it absolutely is.
Yes, and all talks with david bohm, they are really engaging and understanding between k and bohm is very good.
Yes even he gets annoyed because of his physical nature. He would rather be enjoying a tree but has a duty to a complete a thankless task.
I’ll be going through Alan Watts and it’s like the funny biology teacher. And then Ram Dass is like the interesting social studies teacher. But Krishnamurti is like that AP Physics professor that used to work at NASA and doesn’t get why I don’t get it
His eyes smile when there is understanding. 🙏
To watch a video of j Krishnamurthy ji required tremendous watchfullness🌸
me too
At about 23 minutes he says "BE CHOICELESSLY AWARE". Amazing use of words to describe a state which is beyond words.👌👌👌👌👌
One of most valuable content available on TH-cam
Amen 🙏🏼
I love krishnamurti 🙏
Thank you. My heart goes out to Krishnamurti.
Be well everyone. I wish you a long space of time without pain or suffering
You have a body , you have physical pain.You have attachments you suffer.
The only man who can give us true insight
thats what your ego said. many others exposed this. Ramana Maharshi did it without repeating "the me as me without conciousness of being concious.."
your ego love to honor him as the only true one , fail :) said my ego.
Many have exposed the ego trap. hes not alone, or the best, thats what you like to imagine . thats another layer of your ego.
you need sharper insights to realise hes not the only one that have understood it.
Father Eugene Schaller. Thank you for your tremendous effort, you have achieved to extract the truth JK sir has been trying to deliver..Your aim is to make the truth understood by people like me. Your are amazing Father Eugene Schaller. 🙏🏽
One of the beautiful , content full interview which I have seen for first time, Credit equally goes to the interviewer, because he really had the depth of knowledge, the sense of understanding of the subject..its a so subtle subject elegantly covered and made presentable with simple words.....
"because he really had the depth of knowledge," Really???
Krishnamurti is always ever so gently edging the listener away from a fearful mental existence.
I couldn’t have said it better.
Thinker is the thought
Observer is the observed
Experiencer is the experience
Analyzer is the analyzed
Controller is the controlled.
How can the observer be the observed when it is that which is observing the observed? it seems very much distinct from what it observes, no? i.e. subject (observer) object (observed)
@@Corteum Since you are part of the whole, thus it, you are observing yourself ...
@@Corteum u are caught in thought . Thought is so cunning that its plays tricks upon tricks . It wants continuity and security .It prevent you from looking reality as it is. It originates fear pleasure desire conflict in one's mind .
So the question that what happens after when you realised observer is the observed or who is observer or what is observerd this cant be find out by thought .
Because thought is responce of memory .
You need choiceless awarness without motive i.e sharp attention in that attention you will find there is neither the observer nor the observed . There is no ' I ' or any entity who is attending ...there is only state of attention then only u will discover what j k tells the unknown / immeasurable .
@@Corteum bc ur view of the observed is simply ur observation by your point of view so its a continuum.
@@sanketsirsat6670 wow thanks for this comment 🙏 this stuff is definitely precious but hard for me to grasp sometimes. Your comment really helped 👌 thanks x
Excellent conversation, they just demonstrated what they were talking about. When one is not opinionated, is free from ego. Only then one can see as it is! They did this together!
Truly remarkable man with so much depth that most people have to watch many times to grasp it all. J. Krishnamurti is a true inspiration and we are so fortunate that he was an Indian! Cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect
> cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect.
You are bringing your pity political opinions which dont have any intrinsic value on themselves here, under a video where JK explains how to get rid of the "me" and all of nuances that it brings with it.
Just think for a second 😂😂
When I was a child, abt 50 yrs ago, my father used to read JK's books, now I'm watching this amazing recordings.
Krishnamurti is like a star who is always shining everywhere in this universe.
Yes you have discovered a lot.
@@rajasekaran1874.555
I think we all have to practice this. Seeing everything as it is, including the content of our mind.
Practice means entry of psychological time, which prevents direct understanding.
@@clodhopper-dodoWe must start somewhere.
Krishnanmurthi is on a whole different level , one has to be open to understand it 🙏
yep his way to word it is sometimes too simple or too complex. i like what he says, but not how he says it. the language barrier is "real" there. easy to get stuck not understanding what he mean, Basicly exposing ego explaining 20 time "me isnt me with me not me without me concious conciousness"
K got too hung up on the contrast between pricess and timelessness. The “me” is not wholly distinct from the not me, and in liberators “practice” this “me” turns inwards, it’s a thorn used to remove a thorn. Without preparation, the “instantaneous” awakening of intelligence that K advocated simply will not “occur”.
@@gabrielahimsa4387 the Great Problem IS ... Both of them don't have the same understanding!!!
Or,a mind free of 'me'👍
I would have just let Krishnamurti speak, because the man speaks from the heart of God.
Truthful human being. All what can be answered by him as human has been answered with the so much clarity and purity of his heart. Love it.
Thank you so much for sharing pearls of wisdom.
"...the emptying of the mind brings unity."
Awareness. Seeing. No one seeing.
I am 16 y/o .i am trying to bring his teaching into everyday action others wise there is no any other point in listening like school lecture and doing nothing.
What doing it is not a process just observe good and bad or whatever happening
You are on your way! Continue to follow your instincts continue your search for the truth for true wisdom which is knowing yourself
These videos are so precious and timely in the now world. Lovely.
thanks
"We discover the unity, when there is this sense of choiceless attention"
23:10 “To be choicelessly aware. Because to choose, as we do, is one of our greatest conflicts. And we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom which is the antithesis of freedom. It’s absurd.”
Rather one should associate choicelessness with freedom.
If we choose, therefor we judge, we evaluate from whatever background we have, so we must be aware without judging. Is that so?
Thank you
th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus5J84dTqHLcvK5ZdWoVSvOz.html
Beyond myth and tradition of K. Amazing series.
Thank you to life to have the opportunity of this experience ! Krishnamurti thank you
Based on my experience ... you don’t empty your mind ... it happens by itself ... when “You or Me” is not there ...!!
Look at this man. OMG.. greatest guy ever walked on planet
...... without a doubt!
I just love this man's teaching🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇
Me too! His teachings have justified and helped me understand the non dual states I've had through dmt and meditation. Best of luck on your path!
This discussion is so fresh and alive..absolutely true.. It transforms you just by listening..
it gives me hope that people take this seriously
Given the times we are in.. Yes
@@ranirathi3379 yep👍
Sir Krishna Murthy. An act of God to bring clarity in between chaos of thoughts. I miss being in his so called physical presence. He remains.
Thank you sir. I surrender to your clarity.
21:38 "Be aware of it and we are aware of this so intensely, when there is a crisis"
Year 2020 what a time to be aware!
“As long as there is division, there will be conflict.”
I see this as a discussion of the damage of duality.🍄❤️
Deep and heavy investigation on finding truth on unity
K: To be choicelessly aware. Because _to choose, as we do, is one of our great conflicts._
S: And *we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom, which is the antithesis of freedom.* (23:10)
I had to pause and let this sink in. This gets towards the root of why we actively bring suffering into our lives and kindle it rather than extinguish it. There is a great delusion in our society that success and happiness come from freedom to choose. To choose a career, to choose a religion, to choose a home - the American Dream. But when we become invested in these "choices" and we are unaware of the categorization that is inherent in such an image of self-agency, we reify that categorization, and promote a horrible cycle that draws us further from seeing the truth. We use memory and thought to guide us through our life's work, which may involve choosing a carpet or a partner or what have you. This choosing process, necessary for our lives, may coexist with an awareness of the implied duality, conformity and conditioning:
K: But there is choice: I choose that carpet better than the other carpet. At that level choice must exist. But *when there is an awareness of yourself, choice implies duality, choice implies effort.* (24:03)
Beautifully put. Thank you for posting this!
He was the most enlightened Buddha since Gautama the Buddha ❤️
JK is the smartest person I've ever been blessed to listen too
"The most enlightened"
So practical.... & so Truthfulness... so simple... extra ordinary...
Simply profound. If i want to analyse this.. what J. Krishnamurti means is being aware is to see everything without a label. any kind of label ( colour, shape, function, attitude etc.). only then we can be truly aware of everything in its true nature. In the same way we will be able to be aware of ourselves without any kind of labels and hence since we don't label anything, we are all one.
Hope that makes sense.
The issue is that when we try to see without any labels we are doing it. We are simply refusing to put labels. The me is still involved.
Maybe what he is pointing at is simply being. Which is what we always are.
This is the great conversation 🙏🙏🙏
He’s the best
marvelous beautiful conversation!! Thank you!!!
K's teachings are pure gold in order to end the toxic addiction to divisions reigning the world.
As one uses abstractions to understand and to apprehend the world (including oneself) then one becomes addicted to the images created by these abstractions because of the futile sensation of security and power that is created.
Seeing the truth of 'me' instantly (no 'timely' image) : 🙏💗
I don’t know how everything he’s saying I feel like I have known them in my mind. Since I was born this like watching my thought
Thank you sir 🙏🏾
I just laughed so much . So beautiful. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to do . Constructed consciousness that falls into laughter.
You seem to be unable to "see the Woods" because of all the Trees. And you are laughing that you cannot see the Woods at all.
Great video thanks for sharing remain ever blessed
Life happeneds, passing by, while we are lost in egocentric thoughts and emotions.
Now that is a deep conversation. I have watched the video for more that an hour, pausing it every 20 seconds. It's going to take a while. I am thankful for everything I've gathered from this.
If you shall have questions I would be glad to help.
O heaven and earth of how much your philosophy may know in the last of my days
last of days?
Lovely conversation ❤
Very much impressed by Father Eugene Schallert.
Yes Yes Yes. Two good partners in discovering and sharing what each sees independently and meeting in a common point, each in his own words - to describe the interior experience. and how it can be better understood.... achieving an instant resolve to accord (change) as a function of perception alone.
For me, both of them are excellent teachers.
Thanks for the video.
Thank you so much❤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
This man is the greatest example of freedom a human being can achieve❤️
His words are as sharp and clean as a razor.
Just turned 20 and found this guy...i don't know why but it seems this is it
You are close, very close, but look into Chan, Dzogchen and Tibetan Buddhism. He share a lot in common with those teachings.
21:33 this is timeless gem 💯
Wow! That priest is dedicated to his craft. He was earnestly following what JK was saying so that he could better serve his community. What an exemplary man.
Does anyone know who the priest is?
I have never heard of any Catholic church clergy being so able to communicate such truths
I see that the PRIEST is very intellectual and deeply analytical.
Very thoughtful and listens so deeply.
Analytical and not an actor or a public speaker.
VERY INTELLECTUAL!
I think his guest is incredibly perceptive and responsive to his message.
Around 20mn and something, instead of "choicelessly aware" I would say "equanimously aware", i.e. without judging ,without reacting with craving or aversion, just seing things or people as they really are, not as we would like them to be! I think and hope Krishnamurti ji would agree... I thank him for his way of teaching and making people aware and analyse what has become so reactional in our way of living and interacting with people and nature.
This is such a lovely conversation, you can see they are both enjoying it :)
Saw this 4 months ago now the answer is as clear as day.
Our vocabulary falls short for what he's trying to put across.. Even the limitedness of our vocabulary reflects our consciousness or even unconsciousness.
free of me and you for the unity
the reality cannot flower if the me is there """
perhaps the me is only one petal of the flower
Rules to have a conversation/discussion of this kind, with this kind of personality like K :
1.Accept that you don't know. But put your heart, mind and body to enquire into it(the subject matter).
2.Listen more - patiently and attentively; speak less.
3.Keep enquiring throughout the talk in that very instant--it's not your regular babaji's pravachan. To get inspired for the day and forget all about it the next day..
4.Don't seek answers/explanations , but enquire into the question..there's no answer - only the question has to dissolve in understanding - and it's always "immediate".
Very important post
Lot of gratitude and appreciation for your great work ❤️🙏
This makes sense according to the Sikh scripture that it is happens instantly. You cannot will it, force it, practice it or do something to cause it. All of the sudden after hearing this all the light bulbs going off in my head. Thank you universe, really needed this.
This is profound. Thank You.
What a marvelous statement from Mr. J. Krisnamurti: "..Emptying the mind brings Unity....Seeing as Facts...Not Conceptually.."..👍👏🤝 with Mr. Krisnamurti..Couldn't say any better and more clear than Mr. Krisnamurti did..Thank you for uploading this 🎥 clips and many others..👌🌹🌻🌈🦋..The questioner clearly showed that he was a "THEORY-MINDED" not an actual "LIVING-IT" whereas Mr. Krisnamurti spoke from the point of "KNOWING THRU LIVING"..His answers were very Precise and Straight to the point like arrow shoot straight to 🎯..🌸💟🕊..
Choiceless awareness is a Miracle phase given by J.K
Thanks for the teaching🙏🙏🙏
I love these men.... Pure positive energy💥💖
Wonder knowledge discussion, im very glad to watch his great should ,it is all word awakening me ,
Interesting conversation
Yes, I really enjoyed hearing these truths shared in a conversational format.
yep his way to word it is sometimes too simple or too complex. i like what he says, but not how he says it. the language barrier is "real" there. easy to get stuck not understanding what he mean, Basicly exposing ego explaining 20 time "me isnt me with me not me without me concious conciousness"
Awesome conversation, it leaves you on your own ❤️
This conversation is top level!!
This is the most profound philosophy about the nature of self,cheers to the few of us who understand it, at least in words, not really being 'choicelessly aware'
The problem is most people listen to him verbally .
we should all focus improving our own self. We have no control of others.- oh the paradox of me telling you this statement
I transcribe his lectures so I can read it too. He speaks slowly and it is another way I listen.
In stead of herbally?
Well , even verbally can be the first step ,
I feel its very very hard to go beyond words ,
The 'me' afraids of going beyond words, to the deep silence .
@@Will-xl7xp When the realization of your own self begins the self evaporates, there is no self anymore to improve.
K is pure truth. Mind attached to every content of consciousness is afraid to afraid to empty and be nothing.
My understanding is simply put : be fully present without pre-judgment ‘
Jk the greatest ♥️♥️ thank you eternally
I think the whole key to this awareness is to learn how to be completely present in the moment of observation. No distinction from interfering thought.
I loved the way that this interviewer asks questions
One must read and listen to JK......for that wholeness in living
Don't verbalize a anything including the self.. Just observe and be aware
Which of JKs’ books would you recommend ?
NOt reading or listening .....!
One must "SEE"
That is just the first step. We must observe and test this within ourselves and our lives.
Watch yourself and find out.
When I watch these I don’t just listen. I test for myself and don’t look for answers. Just see and observe without interference.
Yes. I just posted the same comment.
Choice-less awareness. Choice-less attention.
Unity is a living thing, not a conceptual thing.
Perceive without conception. Mind conceptions create separation and division.
Emptying of mind concepts require no methodology or passage of time, but with one stroke of perception. Perception of the truth.
Thanks Krishnamurti. 🦜🦚🦜🦚
His words are so profound, that I'm forced to discover myself..
What did you find out?
@@nicoandersen4231 The one that wants to find out is no more
I believe we nearly grasped this wisdom in the 60s 70s. It seemed to slip through our fingers. This current Age of Ego (celebrity culture), greed, destruction of the planet etc etc, is a result, it seems to me, of our inability to connect with our true selves, soul, spirit. The 60s were a time of true self examination. Could we go there again but this time in a more grounded way !!!. Krishnanmurthi, Ekhart Tolle and others can be the finger pointing at the Moon but can we see, I mean really see and begin a new golden age. I really hope so. Happy Belated New Year x
Agreed.