A mind free of the ‘me’ | J. Krishnamurti
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A mind free of the ‘me’
Extract from the first conversation with Father Eugene Schallert in San Diego, 1972.
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I am 18years of age now , I don't know how I am here but I think I found something precious ....
Don't lose it ever.
@@avijitdutta5194 he wont
Don't think......just know!
remember to do checks on your awareness and you will save a lot of time.
That is amazing 😉, all the best to you to carry it all the way to end .
This is how a conversation should happen between 2 people. In this world, everyone shouts and no one listens. We forget how to listen with respect and with full awareness of the other person's view.
A questão do ouvir corretamente....k
Also, it need not be a conversation between equals, but the sincerity to listen and understand. For this reason, such talks are so much better than interviews.
Raj Barua brilliant you are absolutely right
Listening, is an act of love! This is true dialogue.
Exactly
Just look at the tree, don't think. Makes me cry with joy.
Why iz he ?
Yes, this happen with me while doing dishes
It’s hard for occurrence in the visual field to appear without the mind instantly narrating it as what’s its perceived to be
😂
Why?
It's fascinating to see Krishnamurti talk with someone he clearly feels understands what he's talking about. Normally he seems terribly frustrated and annoyed at people.
There was such a selfless desire to point others towards clearly seeing reality as it absolutely is.
Yes, and all talks with david bohm, they are really engaging and understanding between k and bohm is very good.
Yes even he gets annoyed because of his physical nature. He would rather be enjoying a tree but has a duty to a complete a thankless task.
I’ll be going through Alan Watts and it’s like the funny biology teacher. And then Ram Dass is like the interesting social studies teacher. But Krishnamurti is like that AP Physics professor that used to work at NASA and doesn’t get why I don’t get it
Everyone should read at least one of Krishnamurti's books and really try to grasp what he's trying to convey in his lectures. If you're very religious, into enlightenment, consciousness, spirituality, or higher self, you might have a hard time understanding what message he's trying to passed forward. You will want for him to give you a method, a mantra, a routine to enlightenment, but that won't happen. I was that person that was looking for self realization but instead I learned so much more. Also read the story of his life, very interesting.
Is there a particular book you would recommend ?
@@carpenterfamily6198 First watch 8 video lecture series ' The real revolution '
th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4wKy6tSVR4LjHIGrwkWC1u.html&feature=share
then read
1. Freedom from the known - Jiddu krishnamurti
After this read
2.Commentaries on living
Carpenter family I started with the small classic Think on These Things, the most widely read book. Then I found Flight of the Eagle and Freedom from the Known. However, to me, the most all-encompassing, must-read book is The Awakening of Intelligence. The beauty of this last book is that it gives a whole series of talks, maybe 4 or 5, so that you see how he starts from a wide, global level to the personal, internal perspective. You see him do this in different places and on different dates. It is the whole of the Teachings, long and comprehensive. I read this before watching any videos and I feel it helped me stay with him when I began to watch videos. In fact, he cancelled a tour of Latin America because he said people couldn’t understand him because they had not read enough.
Bennie Rodriguez I, too, was that person. Perhaps, most of us are. As for his life, for me, it was more than interesting. So fascinating, mysterious, and incomprehensible. So many events had to come together for him to be discovered, then raised, by the theosophists, then leaving them. Why did it happen? Who was he? Was he unique in human history? Did he appear when the world needed him? Why did he give his whole life to help humanity, never wanting anything, never expecting a result? Who does that? No contradiction, year after year, for over 60 years.
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Sanket Sirsat how do you reconcile the fact that he had a long afair with a married woman of his editor, among other things regarding that entire family? Somehow there is a discrepancy between the state of mind he portrays that none has reached but him and his actions.
The teaching seems profound but his actions don't fully reflect that.
I love how excited and enthusiastic JK is. Infected by his divinity.
indeed. but not sure about divinity.
All cool dude,except his divinity...i think even he would rebute u here
@@aliveli-hq6zk If you can see divinity in him then you didn't got eyes and ears and heart.
Cuz its doesn't matter who it is if he is with truth then he is divine
Truth is divine.
@@dontdoit7761 ^
Exactly dude, his inner child was still alive :)
I was only 11 when I first read his “Freedom From The Known”, and even at that age it all made sense, as though I knew it all (except the timelessness part) It may have been easier for me to understand him because of my unconditioned mind.
He has been my teacher since. 🧘♀️
I’m 15
And same situation 😁
😊😊😇🙏💚🌸
That’s such a profound awareness, the unconditioned mind is very abstract and as it becomes conditioned, ideas start forming, opinions, perceptions making it incapable of just being and enjoying…good, bad or indifferent.
I found him around 19, all that time before, where was I.!
It's a great text!!!
However, I don't think Krishnamurti would have been too happy to be called anyone's teacher lol
At about 23 minutes he says "BE CHOICELESSLY AWARE". Amazing use of words to describe a state which is beyond words.👌👌👌👌👌
❤❤
Correct
Just to observe is the most important thing = be choicelessly = at Shunya
Thinker is the thought
Observer is the observed
Experiencer is the experience
Analyzer is the analyzed
Controller is the controlled.
How can the observer be the observed when it is that which is observing the observed? it seems very much distinct from what it observes, no? i.e. subject (observer) object (observed)
@@Corteum Since you are part of the whole, thus it, you are observing yourself ...
@@Corteum u are caught in thought . Thought is so cunning that its plays tricks upon tricks . It wants continuity and security .It prevent you from looking reality as it is. It originates fear pleasure desire conflict in one's mind .
So the question that what happens after when you realised observer is the observed or who is observer or what is observerd this cant be find out by thought .
Because thought is responce of memory .
You need choiceless awarness without motive i.e sharp attention in that attention you will find there is neither the observer nor the observed . There is no ' I ' or any entity who is attending ...there is only state of attention then only u will discover what j k tells the unknown / immeasurable .
@@Corteum bc ur view of the observed is simply ur observation by your point of view so its a continuum.
@@sanketsirsat6670 wow thanks for this comment 🙏 this stuff is definitely precious but hard for me to grasp sometimes. Your comment really helped 👌 thanks x
19:24 Try this exercise; look at ( experience) a sunset without using words ( even mentally ) to describe it. In fact, don’t describe it at all - just experience it fully, directly without word labels. Doing this exercise demonstrates this idea.
I once did that with a painting on a wall where I lived almost thirty years ago because an acting coach I had instructed me to do so. The effect was mind boggling for the next two to three weeks as I experienced a major shift in awareness pretty much 24/7.
Exactly..
You are making a choice to be aware. Be choiceless aware.
I am a fan of J krishna murthy At last I could see him throu this vidio I read most of his books. Thanks.
You can actually do it with anything.
And when you do it with really mundane things, you realize how you usually live in a sleepy-state because even the most boring thing is actually amazing when you look at it without giving any interpretation.
Krishnanmurthi is on a whole different level , one has to be open to understand it 🙏
yep his way to word it is sometimes too simple or too complex. i like what he says, but not how he says it. the language barrier is "real" there. easy to get stuck not understanding what he mean, Basicly exposing ego explaining 20 time "me isnt me with me not me without me concious conciousness"
K got too hung up on the contrast between pricess and timelessness. The “me” is not wholly distinct from the not me, and in liberators “practice” this “me” turns inwards, it’s a thorn used to remove a thorn. Without preparation, the “instantaneous” awakening of intelligence that K advocated simply will not “occur”.
@@gabrielahimsa4387 the Great Problem IS ... Both of them don't have the same understanding!!!
Or,a mind free of 'me'👍
I would have just let Krishnamurti speak, because the man speaks from the heart of God.
Krishnamurti is always ever so gently edging the listener away from a fearful mental existence.
I couldn’t have said it better.
Krishnamurti will debate with anyone. He was enlightened, for sure. What a Legend.
it gives me hope that people take this seriously
Given the times we are in.. Yes
@@ranirathi3379 yep👍
"We discover the unity, when there is this sense of choiceless attention"
This conversation is so deep for me that I have to listen it twice to fully grasp K's words.What a great man he was. 🙏
Krishnamurti is like a star who is always shining everywhere in this universe.
Yes you have discovered a lot.
That's why you (also me)can't do anything. It's all are an image of jk. You are living in past.
Based on my experience ... you don’t empty your mind ... it happens by itself ... when “You or Me” is not there ...!!
"...the emptying of the mind brings unity."
Awareness. Seeing. No one seeing.
He was the most enlightened Buddha since Gautama the Buddha ❤️
JK is the smartest person I've ever been blessed to listen too
"The most enlightened"
Look at this man. OMG.. greatest guy ever walked on planet
...... without a doubt!
I love krishnamurti 🙏
Life happeneds, passing by, while we are lost in egocentric thoughts and emotions.
Just turned 20 and found this guy...i don't know why but it seems this is it
You are close, very close, but look into Chan, Dzogchen and Tibetan Buddhism. He share a lot in common with those teachings.
Deep and heavy investigation on finding truth on unity
Wow! That priest is dedicated to his craft. He was earnestly following what JK was saying so that he could better serve his community. What an exemplary man.
Does anyone know who the priest is?
I have never heard of any Catholic church clergy being so able to communicate such truths
“As long as there is division, there will be conflict.”
I see this as a discussion of the damage of duality.🍄❤️
Simply profound. If i want to analyse this.. what J. Krishnamurti means is being aware is to see everything without a label. any kind of label ( colour, shape, function, attitude etc.). only then we can be truly aware of everything in its true nature. In the same way we will be able to be aware of ourselves without any kind of labels and hence since we don't label anything, we are all one.
Hope that makes sense.
The issue is that when we try to see without any labels we are doing it. We are simply refusing to put labels. The me is still involved.
Maybe what he is pointing at is simply being. Which is what we always are.
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Amen 🙏🏼
Thank you. My heart goes out to Krishnamurti.
Be well everyone. I wish you a long space of time without pain or suffering
You have a body , you have physical pain.You have attachments you suffer.
His words are as sharp and clean as a razor.
He’s the best
I am 16 y/o .i am trying to bring his teaching into everyday action others wise there is no any other point in listening like school lecture and doing nothing.
What doing it is not a process just observe good and bad or whatever happening
You are on your way! Continue to follow your instincts continue your search for the truth for true wisdom which is knowing yourself
Thank you
th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus5J84dTqHLcvK5ZdWoVSvOz.html
Beyond myth and tradition of K. Amazing series.
This is the great conversation 🙏🙏🙏
the reality cannot flower if the me is there """
perhaps the me is only one petal of the flower
The only man who can give us true insight
thats what your ego said. many others exposed this. Ramana Maharshi did it without repeating "the me as me without conciousness of being concious.."
your ego love to honor him as the only true one , fail :) said my ego.
Many have exposed the ego trap. hes not alone, or the best, thats what you like to imagine . thats another layer of your ego.
you need sharper insights to realise hes not the only one that have understood it.
I just laughed so much . So beautiful. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to do . Constructed consciousness that falls into laughter.
You seem to be unable to "see the Woods" because of all the Trees. And you are laughing that you cannot see the Woods at all.
Jk the greatest ♥️♥️ thank you eternally
"And that emptying of that mind brings UNITY"
SOMETHING MYSTERIOUS LIVES HERE
Father Eugene Schaller. Thank you for your tremendous effort, you have achieved to extract the truth JK sir has been trying to deliver..Your aim is to make the truth understood by people like me. Your are amazing Father Eugene Schaller. 🙏🏽
23:10 “To be choicelessly aware. Because to choose, as we do, is one of our greatest conflicts. And we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom which is the antithesis of freedom. It’s absurd.”
Rather one should associate choicelessness with freedom.
If we choose, therefor we judge, we evaluate from whatever background we have, so we must be aware without judging. Is that so?
Excellent conversation, they just demonstrated what they were talking about. When one is not opinionated, is free from ego. Only then one can see as it is! They did this together!
21:38 "Be aware of it and we are aware of this so intensely, when there is a crisis"
Year 2020 what a time to be aware!
The problem is most people listen to him verbally .
we should all focus improving our own self. We have no control of others.- oh the paradox of me telling you this statement
I transcribe his lectures so I can read it too. He speaks slowly and it is another way I listen.
In stead of herbally?
Well , even verbally can be the first step ,
I feel its very very hard to go beyond words ,
The 'me' afraids of going beyond words, to the deep silence .
@@Will-xl7xp When the realization of your own self begins the self evaporates, there is no self anymore to improve.
I think we all have to practice this. Seeing everything as it is, including the content of our mind.
Practice means entry of psychological time, which prevents direct understanding.
@@clodhopper-dodoWe must start somewhere.
Our vocabulary falls short for what he's trying to put across.. Even the limitedness of our vocabulary reflects our consciousness or even unconsciousness.
One of the beautiful , content full interview which I have seen for first time, Credit equally goes to the interviewer, because he really had the depth of knowledge, the sense of understanding of the subject..its a so subtle subject elegantly covered and made presentable with simple words.....
"because he really had the depth of knowledge," Really???
I just love this man's teaching🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇
Me too! His teachings have justified and helped me understand the non dual states I've had through dmt and meditation. Best of luck on your path!
21:33 this is timeless gem 💯
K: To be choicelessly aware. Because _to choose, as we do, is one of our great conflicts._
S: And *we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom, which is the antithesis of freedom.* (23:10)
I had to pause and let this sink in. This gets towards the root of why we actively bring suffering into our lives and kindle it rather than extinguish it. There is a great delusion in our society that success and happiness come from freedom to choose. To choose a career, to choose a religion, to choose a home - the American Dream. But when we become invested in these "choices" and we are unaware of the categorization that is inherent in such an image of self-agency, we reify that categorization, and promote a horrible cycle that draws us further from seeing the truth. We use memory and thought to guide us through our life's work, which may involve choosing a carpet or a partner or what have you. This choosing process, necessary for our lives, may coexist with an awareness of the implied duality, conformity and conditioning:
K: But there is choice: I choose that carpet better than the other carpet. At that level choice must exist. But *when there is an awareness of yourself, choice implies duality, choice implies effort.* (24:03)
Beautifully put. Thank you for posting this!
K's teachings are pure gold in order to end the toxic addiction to divisions reigning the world.
As one uses abstractions to understand and to apprehend the world (including oneself) then one becomes addicted to the images created by these abstractions because of the futile sensation of security and power that is created.
Seeing the truth of 'me' instantly (no 'timely' image) : 🙏💗
Thank you to life to have the opportunity of this experience ! Krishnamurti thank you
This is such a lovely conversation, you can see they are both enjoying it :)
Very much impressed by Father Eugene Schallert.
This man is the greatest example of freedom a human being can achieve❤️
I think his guest is incredibly perceptive and responsive to his message.
Truthful human being. All what can be answered by him as human has been answered with the so much clarity and purity of his heart. Love it.
Thank you so much for sharing pearls of wisdom.
born as a human, and lived as a divine force.
Awaken 🦋
1972 this happened, it's 2022 and very relevant to this day, JK was one and only, may better human beings come forth and make the world think about what is important to live a life rather than get by surviving...
My understanding is simply put : be fully present without pre-judgment ‘
The self,the I,is a bundle of memories accumulated from past knowledge and put together by thought once this is realized the mind is empty of the me.
But after that there is only blank space and vibration, observer is not able to go beyond that and question is what is there to see?
@@Universe42718 there no one to see .....watch it ...there is only state of attention ...not the one who is attending ...please observe the various tricks thought plays .
@jonesman it’s a duality
Thank you so much❤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
His words are so profound, that I'm forced to discover myself..
What did you find out?
@@nicoandersen4231 The one that wants to find out is no more
This conversation is top level!!
These videos are so precious and timely in the now world. Lovely.
Lot of gratitude and appreciation for your great work ❤️🙏
Look at his spark in his eye!
I love these men.... Pure positive energy💥💖
Truly remarkable man with so much depth that most people have to watch many times to grasp it all. J. Krishnamurti is a true inspiration and we are so fortunate that he was an Indian! Cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect
> cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect.
You are bringing your pity political opinions which dont have any intrinsic value on themselves here, under a video where JK explains how to get rid of the "me" and all of nuances that it brings with it.
Just think for a second 😂😂
I loved the way that this interviewer asks questions
Most detailed conversation till date it seems.
Very important post
For me, both of them are excellent teachers.
Thanks for the video.
Awesome conversation, it leaves you on your own ❤️
WOW!! THANK YOU ❤️🙏🏿🌷😘
Basically, the song "The Wall" by Pink Floyd summarises what Khrisnamurti is saying. In the West we are taught "I think therefore I am" but the truth is the exact opposite; the moment I cease thinking is the moment I truely am.
😁💖🤗🙏😀
How long can you exist like that 🙃
Is there a choice in love ? No. That's being choicelessly aware. POWERFUL
Thanks for the teaching🙏🙏🙏
Great video thanks for sharing remain ever blessed
One of the best interviews I have seen. They were in complete synchronicity with one another.
Yes Yes Yes. Two good partners in discovering and sharing what each sees independently and meeting in a common point, each in his own words - to describe the interior experience. and how it can be better understood.... achieving an instant resolve to accord (change) as a function of perception alone.
Beautiful and brilliant , Be aware❤️😊
What a brilliant conversation....
Choiceless awareness is a Miracle phase given by J.K
Around 20mn and something, instead of "choicelessly aware" I would say "equanimously aware", i.e. without judging ,without reacting with craving or aversion, just seing things or people as they really are, not as we would like them to be! I think and hope Krishnamurti ji would agree... I thank him for his way of teaching and making people aware and analyse what has become so reactional in our way of living and interacting with people and nature.
Rules to have a conversation/discussion of this kind, with this kind of personality like K :
1.Accept that you don't know. But put your heart, mind and body to enquire into it(the subject matter).
2.Listen more - patiently and attentively; speak less.
3.Keep enquiring throughout the talk in that very instant--it's not your regular babaji's pravachan. To get inspired for the day and forget all about it the next day..
4.Don't seek answers/explanations , but enquire into the question..there's no answer - only the question has to dissolve in understanding - and it's always "immediate".
a wonderful dialogue b/t 2 seemingly very sincere people, from very different backgrounds, who listen to each other--something very rare nowadays, as far as i can see
1 second is enough to experience eternity❤
O heaven and earth of how much your philosophy may know in the last of my days
last of days?
Thank you 🙏
Such beautiful man!
I think the whole key to this awareness is to learn how to be completely present in the moment of observation. No distinction from interfering thought.
Watching. Choiclessly aware. Better words exist.
What he is saying is be completely in the now no future or past. Be like water and become one with the world. You can see it all moving as one thing. It’s neat and all.
It’s like looking at a tree without any memory of it and just being aware of it without any choice of liking or hating it. Just looking at us or other things that surround us and just being choice less aware of them without any image which is our memory which makes these thoughts . Except for that and being there can we be free of ‘me’ which makes us unite in choice less way and therefore no separation. Just awareness.
Brilliant talk!
One must read and listen to JK......for that wholeness in living
Don't verbalize a anything including the self.. Just observe and be aware
Which of JKs’ books would you recommend ?
NOt reading or listening .....!
One must "SEE"
That is just the first step. We must observe and test this within ourselves and our lives.
Watch yourself and find out.
When I watch these I don’t just listen. I test for myself and don’t look for answers. Just see and observe without interference.
Yes. I just posted the same comment.
When the mind is totally silent without any ripples then only there is seeing the world as a whole without any division and direct perception.
Can you see it as whole ?
thanks
So practical.... & so Truthfulness... so simple... extra ordinary...