Undermine: The Road to Fall '97 Phish, Ep29 Guest: Trey Anastasio
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- Trey Anastasio, special guest, 11/17/97 Denver, CO
For one of the best shows of Fall ‘97, we could only have one person revisit it with us. Trey joins us to talk about 11/17/97, memories of the tour, and what led to this different musical style.
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This is awesome. Trey geeking out on Phish like we all do!
"So I'm [onstage playing during a jam], and I'm like scanning all the time, you know - like what's Mike doing, what's Page doing, what's Mike doing, what's Fish doing. And sometimes what you find is that a band member is off in their own world. And you can tell. Right? That's... pretty rarely Page. It's really... I love that guy. He's always like RIGHT there."
This is my approach to replying to Jay's comments online. HEY!
“Everybody would come on the bus and start rollin’” is the key quote.
Lol
The bulk of all the shows I have seen, around 40, the best were in this era, My first show was 94, Incredibly complex and great stuff like Trey describes, and then the jams grew and grew. Favorite opener for me is " My Friend My Friend" back in these days.
"The party was ON."
My takeaways: Treys favorite era is 92'-93'. In the lead up to 11/17/97: 1997 was the band's busiest year, they were practicing and recording everyday so when they went out on tour they were well rehearsed. In 1997 they started writing slower, groovier, less composed songs for Siket disc and Farmhouse which they carried with them on tour. They were listening to funk music on the bus from James Brown all the way to Colorado. King Gizzard is Trey's favorite band.
King gizzard sucks
Looking up at the great machine that never began and will never end.
Goes to show how clueless record company people are, Rift album is a MASTERPIECE - Frank Black, pulllleassee
Their absolute best album imo
Trey is the man!!!! Best episode yet
It warms my heart to hear Trey talk about King Gizz
Just went to listen, gonna have to take y’alls word for it…..1 minute later, I was done.
They suck
@@MyFEELGOODWayI’ve tried too, and I like a lot of weird shit, but it just doesn’t work for me
Every second of this is gold!
I loved the 90’s shows, they had something to prove!
I love 92 and 93 too
Best episode yet and they have all been really on point. But to get it straight from Trey’s perspective makes it all the better. What’s every greater is all the guests seem to be very much aligned with what the band was experiencing. Keep it up guys.
Nice episode! Why no video? Did Trey request no video?
I got pretty far into this before I realized Tom Marshall was doing this lol. This is the first time I've heard Trey get into detail and talking about phish music and phish tours from the era where me and many others got into them / mid and late 90s... it used to drive me crazy to have to sit at home and miss phish shows, and while I do feel like in many ways they are at the top of their game, as a good friend of mine says, there's nothing that they can do that I haven't seen them do so at this point I just check in and I'm like oh good my boys are still at it. And I still try to hit a show or two each year maybe I'll midlife crisis part 2 in a few years and try to do six of them like I did back in 14 LOL
The whole episode I was waiting for them to ask Trey about where Phish is now growth-wise. Of course, it was answered with unpredictable Phish fashion - Phish are going to be a boyband now. Phish should open MSG with NYSNC "BYE BYE BYE" full dancing.
The exact second in this Ghost jam is where the brilliance and legendary status of Phish is frozen in time - the 12:20 mark when Trey comes back in from a pause to throw down the hammer :
Trey says at the end of this 'Ghost' - "Thanks - We're gonna have a lot more music for your dancing pleasure - and listening pleasure : we're gonna play one more song here - and take a break - and we'll be back - so don't go away : " He had to say something in that moment because he knew something special had just happened : in the moment feeling it :
Great episode. Love how Trey puts everything into perspective from His and the band’s actual point of view. Right? Went from “you guys were rested….” To, not one feee moment in the whole year.
And here’s to Sue. The real rock star!
Congratulations Osiris/Undermine team. This is a great season, I’m learning SO MUCH as a newbie.
Trey's not afraid to correct you about Phish. He did this to me once in person.
Poor Sue
"So what's the next frontier?"
DANCE
Ari Fink on SiriusXM Phish Radio played this one yesterday at noon on its 25th anniversary
the party was ON!
DANCE! 😃 🕺
Trey: “We had this incredibly tight…we used to practice from 11 in the AM until 6pm at night and it was all planned out. It was insane, and we had this massive song list already. Songs like Divided Sky and Maze, really original sounding music. There was a shift that happened sort of in the mid to late 90’s, would you agree with that? We were jammy and looser”
Tom Marshall: “Yeah, around 93-94 really is when it started to shift. We talked about a show from the summer of ’95, Finger Lakes with the 50-minute Tweezer. I think people were confused…people who had seen shows in ’94 came back in ’95 and we’re like “where did this go”? I think that’s what you’re referring to, like 92-95.
Trey: That’s what I’m referring to. You have to set up that 97 show with what was happening and what came before it. The Tweezer that was important for the four band members was the Bangor Tweezer, I think that was 94 (note: he’s referring to the 11/2/94 Tweezer from “A Live One”). We had these listening exercises, and we’d also been playing this incredibly intertwined, composed…all that early Phish from '92 was written with a pencil, you know what I mean? Where the bass, and the two hands of the piano and the guitar, and even some of the drum hits were composed and tongue-in-groove. Its very complex music. If you listen to “All Things Reconsidered”, or “Divided Sky”, or “YEM”, all that early stuff. Foam…Foam is completely composed, start to finish. So what that did was taught the band to be in a mindset where every bass note was harmonized, going by fast…if you stopped the music in the middle of Fluffhead, Mike is playing a four note chord at any time with the rules of counterpoint. So all this discipline that came before the jamming in 97, and sometime around 94-95, we started talking and said “ok, let jam the way a band that listens to each other when we jam, and not the band that one guy takes a solo”. That was a conscious choice that was happening sometime around 94-95. But I do remember old fans being like “you’re losing me here, I don’t understand what’s happening”
It warms my heart to hear these people talk about some of the greatest music to ever exist. I do have to disagree with Trey about one thing and that is that KG is the greatest band alive. That title belongs to The Disco Biscuits (at least in my ears, mind, heart, and opinion). B4L
Couldn't get past ad for smart wool
crazy this only has 9000 subs
What made 97 sound? Trey: drugs.. and James Brown. And synths.
Boom.
and finally letting go after 15 years of touring, practicing, and recording
25 years ago! Wow. Hilarious about the bad show review the next day.
What a great fucking interview!
🤯
“I look forward to when 5.0 starts” - well, that settles it folks, we are in fact in 4.0 lol
Yet another guest who didn't "attend" the show. Boo. ;-)
Why no video on this one?
So basically Trey admits he’s conflicted about how awesome the music was, because of the drugs and being away from his family.
Which is like, a theory people have about why the music now is the opposite of what it was. Wild
King Gizzard!
Sucks
When 5.0 starts...
I'm assuming you are a newer fan. There is no 4.0
@@theloniouszappa Nah, I'm the 1.0'er who actually watched the whole video and heard Trey say this in jest at the end about season 5 of this podcast. Shall I assume that you are a fan that has no attention span?
Why no video?😭
I already listened in the car, came home and was hoping to "watch" it. 💔
Did Trey say they listened to Jack Johnson on the bus with Band of Gypsys and James Brown? I'm a huge Jack Johnson fan but it doesn't seem like he belongs in that sentence.
He's talking about the Miles Davis record
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Johnson_(album)
The Miles Davis album (aka "A Tribute to Jack Johnson") from 1971, not the singer-songwriter from Hawaii. The Miles record was named for (and written to accompany a documentary on) the famous boxer who came to prominence during the Jim Crow era and went on to be the first Black heavyweight champion in boxing. It's characterized by clearer rock and funk influences than Miles' previous work and pioneered a lot of the sound that would go on to become known as 'fusion' in the latter 70s. It featured some of the biggest names in jazz and fusion: Herbie Hancock, John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Dave Holland, Jack DeJohnette, Benny Maupin, and Billy Cobham. It's a seminal Miles record and a huge influence on so much music that came after.