I want to thank everyone for watching and showing support. This was my biggest project ever, and honestly, I'm very happy that the 4 months of work, editing, researching, and scriptwriting didn't go to no avail. I've read every comment so far, and the overwhelming majority of these comments are positive. It's great to see a lot of people sharing their experiences during this time period, as well as sharing how they found the video moving. The support means the world to me. Thanks again!
It's an absolute miracle ash hasn't been fired for the numerous times he publicly stood against his employers for the communities good. What a God send we still have this angel
Ash is a buddy of Andrew’s and has been with the game and interacted with the player base for longer than most people have been with the game and is considered such a good developer that other companies look at his work as a standard. He knows his worth and I’m sure he and his bosses know when he does speak up it’s for the better of the game and community
They know that A: He knows the game better than practically anyone else, and B: If he were fired, the community shitstorm that would follow would instantly kill runescape dead. In that light, him being kept around could also be seen as a sign of a smart employer, because many higher-ups nowadays don't want to hear criticism and will fire employees or threaten you otherwise for levying it against them. Even if the boss makes major mistakes and doesn't know what's good for the game, him not firing Ash makes him more competent than most by a country mile.
The fact that nearly no one at Jagex believed that OSRS would survive more than 6 months, while now 11 years later, we're literally in the top 3 most played MMO's, makes me happy and proud. Great video btw!
@@scrung There's a video that came out recently with top 15 most played MMO's at the moment. TOP3: Final fantasy #1, World of Warcraft #2 and OSRS #3. I'll post name of the vid if i find it again
The RuneScape community doesn't deserve a man like Mod Ash. I lived through the removal of wilderness and free trade and stuck around for 8 years hoping the game would someday relive the glory it had in 2006. The man deserves to be up there with the Gower brothers when it comes to recognition for the success of the franchise.
I wish I could pinpoint when I stopped playing RS. I was in the top 100, level 126 somewhere between 2005 and 2007, and like the 90th person to 91 rune crafting. I don't even recognize OSRS, and that's okay. A part of me thought I'd regret not "making memories" in real life, but I think it shaped who I am. Without trying to be the top level in RuneScape, I wouldn't have strived to be a top level software engineer in real life as an adult. I do remember the end of the wilderness too. That was the beginning of the end of my interest in the game.
@@crw662RS3 doesn't anymore. It's some stupid "ask if the person wants to pk" meme now. It's due in part to the man babies on Reddit crying about PvP (also happening a lot on OSRS), and the fact that PvP in EOC was complete trash
All this while they didn't want him to and didn't believe in him. Tbh it shouldn't have worked if it wasn't for the dedication of that small OSRS team that put way more hours in it than they should and lived the game instead of just working on it.
(god) Ash is an absolute legend. and not just for this. hes insanely active on twitter, absolutely devoted to runescape and making it as good as it can be. wonderful guy.
I remember these events still clearly. I was so mad 2012-2013 at Jagex, even quit for a private server. I immediately dropped the private server when I heard about the OSRS poll, the day I logged on "2007Scape" as it was called back then, is still to this day, one of my best gaming moments ever.
Its so funny to me, how a playerbase of 1.3m, loses 500k players to a privately run 2006 server. They then question wether people want the old version back or not. That is absolutely wild, and shows how out of touch some of Jagex employees where back then. The players opinions matters a whole lot more than your emplyees opinions in an MMORPG
Private servers are a different beast and are usually treated differently. While I've only tried one or two Runescapes private servers, they have a similar monetization principle to say WoW private servers. There is no monthly fee, but you can "give donations" that will award you with currency which can be either cosmetic or P2W. I would also be sceptical of the playerbase that apparently has a problem with MTX only to jump ship on a private server where you can buy even more of an advantage with IRL money. What good are 500k players if majority are playing because it's free and the rest are hypocrites? With the poll they at least knew they had half a million people ready to pony up for the service.
@@Numbers_Game But you have to realise how long the process was for jagex to listen to their customers. It is an absilutely wild timeline of events, where they push back on consumer feedback and push on with updates people heavily adress they dont want. When other jagex employees plinted it out, they risked getting silenced, or even worse, fired all together. Thats a huge L in jagex book, no matter how good they repremanded it. Because they did fix it, eventually. But it took a hell of a lot of time
In actual TEARS. What happened to RS was so saddening. OSRS happening was one of the best things to happen in gaming history. What a video, bless, my friend. Amazing.
I remember playing runescape during that time I had a blast before. Then all of a sudden I log in and so much changed. It felt like a mid life crisis but back then I was 15 years old 😂 No idea why developers choose to destroy a good concept.
exactly what I'm sayin 18:16 homies being asked by his primary source of income (fans) about something they want, and he makes that stupid face in response. Its like he forgets Jagex makes its money from fans of runescape
I really hated how everything Mark said and wanted basically boiled down to making the game excessively more "epic" or "awesome", failing to realise that the simplicity was what kept people engaged. Not just the combat too, the fact that you could just meet the Gods of the game face to face just completely shattered all mystery for me.
@@hyvenia6157 He wanted RuneScape to be more like World of Warcraft. Failing to realise that the reason why RuneScape was successful around that period was due to the simplicity of it all. Take a look at RS3 now. People were happy that last month had an average of 20k+ players online for the first time since Necromancy released. It's a sad state of a game, spearheaded by people who have long forgotten the reason why RuneScape was so popular. Now look at OSRS. 130k+ online right now. Yeah, people can say there are a lot of bots. But just look at how well it performs online on TH-cam and Twitch. It's a massively popular game, because it's simple. Sweaty methods are there, but it's less than 1% of the playerbase actually participating in said methods. Nobody, and I really mean nobody (well, aside from Mod Mark and his goons) wanted RuneScape to become World of Warcraft lite. We're 10+ years on from OSRS releasing, and just look at how well that turned out for the game. OSRS is getting REAL content updates on the regular. Whereas RS3 contents are whatever the latest TH event is and a new boss every 5 months. Love to see somebody as clueless as Mod Mark be proven massively wrong.
OSRS is actually older than RS2 was. It's proof that RS3 never needed to happen. I cried at some of the clips on the outro. OSRS is more nostalgic than RS2 at this point. The community is amazing, lead by the dedicated OSRS Jagex team that put their heart into this game.
Wow, the time between RS2 and RS3 release dates is a little over 9 years while the time between OSRS release date and today is well over 11 years. That's mindblowing.
Rs3 Needed to happen. Theres a good population of the player base that would've never played Runescape without the EOC update. This is just opening the player base up to Runescape in general. Some from Rs3 will try, maybe convert, maybe not, or maybe both. I think I would be a statistical proof that Rs3 did need to happened because without it I Wouldn't have jumped in and fell in love with Runescape as a whole. I'm sure I am not the only one here.
Tell me you’re a 20something that got into OSRS because of B0aty without telling me 😂 You have NO idea what you’re talking about. RS2 will always be the goat over OSRS
@@kingocowata ya know i used to think the same about RS2. But honestly.. I think oldschool at this point is way better. I do everything I used too + 10x more lol.
Randomly had this video pop up in my homepage and its so well done and well documented, and I got a very cheeky cameo! I quit in 2012 because of the microtransactions and the combat update, and while I'm not much on TH-cam these days, I'm still an avid OSRS player and almost maxed (which I never did in RS3). Great vid!
They spent like 3 years straight just killing the game, first they made the armors looks terrible, rune bandos barrows armors now looks terrible. They changed the weapons made the whip look like trash. They got rid of trading and wilderness, then they make all the og armors and weapons useless by releasing chaotics and other op armor and weapons that literally made the old endgame items garbage. Archers rings were like 25k when I looked at my bank last.
It might seem nuts now, and it doesn’t get a mention here, but at the time the addition of the G.E was actually really controversial. It killed off most in world trading, absolutely nuked the industries that were operating on the Forums for Trade. There was literally a trading floor going off in the forums, you’d have to bump your thread every 5/10 mins that’s how busy it was. Buying BS at 100gp ea spinning like 10k of em, PAYING PEOPLE to do so in gp and then selling them for 150-170 ea depending on when the US servers woke up. Sometimes you’d have someone desparate for a sale who would offer 180gp each and you bit that guys arm off, you dropped what you were doing and sold all you had regardless of where you are in your processing.
Really miss some of the content that didn't make it because of the 2007 cut. Things like Stealing Creations was one of the best minigames they ever made, Fist of Guthix that came to shape an entire new F2P meta both for gear and skilling, and the few balanced aspects of Summoning was a nice spin on the common MMO follower system. I remember when I first tried OSRS in 2017 going to where Fist of Guthix was in the wilderness to go train up magic, only to find that it and some of the better content from 2008-2011 didn't make it into the game.
I personally liked the polypore concept of a built in spell item and I’m glad they came out with the trident as something similar in osrs. I also wish they had flasks in osrs
I miss playing FOG so much! I'd run around as a 50 attack pure with 99 range and magic and just punish main accounts with switches. 😂 Ah, the good old days. When I had no money and my parents beat me. At least I had Runescape.
As much as I loved them back in the day, FOG and SC were only fun because we were clueless noobs. If they released today they'd be minmaxed to hell and be dead within a week just like every other PVP minigame
Was until 2018 for me lol. I quit after trying the beta and figuring out they aren't going back on this. So I had no clue they ever made osrs until I saw a random ad for it.
I was one of those, I logged in, moved the camera around, saw the icons, logged out and never came back. They really did drop the ball there. Never trust a jagex employee named mark again. lol
Probably the first time youtube rec'd a lower sub/view channel video without it being complete garbage devoid of any production value. Amazing video, will be checking in for more
Iunno, youtube recommends random low-view count videos (im talking single digits sometimes here) all the time. I think you just need to actually click on those videos more often for it to realize you're open to watching unpopular stuff that's not taken off or anything yet.
No offense, boyo, but it sounds like you need to watch some better vids. The rec feature sure ain't perfect, but it jives off what you've been watching. Or at least tries to.
Shoutout Oxie from the XP Waste Pod for this. No idea a video like this existed. Very very great video and the memories of watching what happened back then honestly is sad. But the OSRS community has uplifted all the bad memories of everyone’s childhood games being destroyed by still being a great game since the release in 2013. Happy Scaping!
I've played RuneScape for 19 years. I'm still on RS3, but I voted for 07, I constantly watch 07 content and just started a GIM on 07. I'll never stop singing the praises of OSRS, it is a game ran the correct way. I wish us in RS3 got the same treatment.
Very happy to see you point how Jagex changed their own rules during Squeal of Fortune. Its a small detail that is often overlooked when people talk about this, but its so important to showing how Jagex worked at that time. For me, this was the big update that made me feel Runescape was dead. Adding in microtransactions and changing their rules quietly, made it feel like could change whatever they wanted and they weren't going to be open about it to the players. It created this feeling of separation that Jagex typically didn't have. At least not for monetary things which could affect the game so drastically.
I'm one of the many who quit when EOC came out. Runescape is special and unique the way it is. Changing it to mold it into just another ordinary MMO ruins it. So glad Old School became a thing and is thriving to this day. I truly believe if it wasn't for Old School, Runescape would just be a nostalgic memory of a forgotten game right now.
I still remember the day I heard about the vote. I was working, doing some furniture deliveries, and one of my RS friends called my cell number while I was riding in the truck. "IT HAPPENED! THEY ARE BRINGING BACK 2007 RUNESCAPE!" and we collectively freaked out for a bit about it. Hilariously, I played OSRS on multiple accounts including an iron with over 2k total and that same friend never really played it lol.[
It's clear how much love, effort and attention has gone into this video and the result is wonderful. I had to go back and watch that intro again just to appreciate all the themes you managed to convey visually. You did such a good job in building up the feelings of hope towards the end of the video as well, and then eventually celebration as OSRS returned. I almost felt as though I had gone back in time and was experiencing it all again. Beautiful.
This video was amazing. I started playing during the RSC era and am still playing to this day on OSRS. I was one of the thousands of players who quit because of EOC, didn't even know OSRS was brought back until 2017 when a childhood friend of mine told me about it, and have been playing it again every since. It's crazy to see the game go from an internet browser, to playing it on my phone during down time at work. We all owe it to Mod Ash and the 2 other mods who were brave enough to speak their opinions and get the ball rolling for the roll back.
I paid some $$ to the 2006scape owner to get in to the beta testing, 11/10 experience, shit was so good. Don't really feel like I got scammed because he put so much time and effort in to creating it, he deserved some money for his effort before Jigflex axed his project.
Criminally underrated channel. You really went above and beyond finding all those old videos and other RS youtubers I follow don't have nearly half as much of that. You deserve far more attention and subscribers just for this video alone. Keep up the great work!!
A member of my clan linked this video - I wanted to comment to let you know I enjoyed the entire video and you did an excellent job! I look forward to seeing more
I had honestly forgotten how bad it got leading up to EOC. It was genuinely mental. This video is so well done though the end with settled on swampletics gave me chills. Really makes you appreciate what we've got now with OSRS !
Mod Mark single hand DESTROYED runescape and he is still working for them today. Please I beg you f****** fire the guy. CMMON. Jagex was just bought! and they are now hopefully taking down all microtransactions in RS3, this is AMAZING. Runescape is releasing content and is back alive. We have to fire all people related to RS2.
I've played since classic, sort of faded away after 07 because graduation and working, starting my career.. I didn't know it came to a vote to have OSRS back, I would have came back just to vote YES. It brought tears to my eyes to know how many people came together to get this game that I love and have played for years back..
this absolutely saved Runescape.... as a whole.... I started playing on Miniclip WAY BACK WHEN and always find myself coming back to just check on my characters, and kinda go on a nostalgia trip about one of my favorite MMOs of all time
as someone that was in the EoC beta, it wasnt actually being used to test by most players. it was mosting rwt'ers and bot testing and the few like me that actually tested and found tons of bugs and more importantly told jagex repeatedly that it wasnt ready were ignored.
Completely new to this channel and absolutely blown away by the quality of this doc!! I haven't touched the game in years, but this was such a trip down memory lane. I remember talking about the changes to the game with my friends at school and protesting in the GE, it was really something i cared deeply about at the time. Runescape truly has a special team of players and developers behind it and that is showcased really well by the care put into this video. cheers
What phenominal production value. I played a bunch of runescape from 2004 up to EOC. Def love old runescape, very nostalgic but I defenitly do not have the time anymore to do OSRS. Messing around in RS3 for a bit wanting to see some quests. Kind of wild how a lot of Jagex statments make me think of Blizzard numerous fuck ups ie you don't have phones, telling players what they want ect. Glad Mod Ash is still around, the legend.
Ain’t nothin better than chilling & playing osrs. Kinda transcends nostalgia for me at this point, just sends the greatest dopamine to the brain. shoutout W420 🐐
Holy cow that intro was phenomenally good, omg! Phenomenal editing, and the "unregistered hypercam" in the corner is a nice touch lmao I couldn't sub fast enough.
This was a really well put together video and an absolute blast from the past. I remember all of it, and I was among the group that left when Eoc hit and came right back day 1 of oldschool. I still leave the game for extended periods of time but I always come back. Runescape has been as nostalgic as halo for me if not more. Hearing some of the older world soundtracks sometimes is enough to draw me back in. Truly a masterpiece of a game.
I fell into a really awkward position when the EOC scism came about. My "golden age" of playing Runescape was 2010, before EOC, but after a lot of other players' nostalgic vision of the game. I remember grinding Fist of Guthix for the spiky berserker shields. I remember really liking the new HD models and animations, while others didn't. I remember loving the new Dungeoneering skill, while a lot of others disliked it. When EOC did come out, I wasn't too happy with it. I felt it was too much of a change. But when 2007scape came back, I didn't like that either because it was before my time. I was stuck between two games I loved and forced to pick a side. I still play RS3 now. I love the world and story, I love the combat system, I love the new content and skills. But I absolutely hate the prevelance of microtransactions souring it all.
been playing since 05. 2010 was also my favourite era of rs. absolutely hated eoc and quit until the return of osrs. dont feel bad for choosing rs3. ignore the weirdos who love stirring the pot between both communities. what matters most is that you have fun 😁
When I first saw Squeal of Fortune and EoC I was sad because my favorite childhood game was becoming like other microtransaction MMO slop. OSRS was a gift to the whole community by people who really knew and cared about what the players wanted.
This was so well produced. Very moving. I played through EOC and play Old School now because I could never get my hands on membership back in the day. Great video!!
In all fairness, I don't understand the hate of RS3, and I play both OSRS and RS3, as well has having played Runescape since 2000 when it was a Java client with 2D cutouts walking around. The only beef I have with RS3 is the MTX, though playing Ironman I don't notice any difference between OSRS and RS3 in terms of the core mechanics that I like about Runescape, being the grinding out of skills. Main reason for Ironman is that shait called the Grand Exchange, honestly, a lot of videos I see of OSRS is mainly someone buying the top gear and everything they need and stand in the G.E doing their skill levelling. This is why Ironman is preferable in both RS3 and OSRS. Sure you can blame EOC being "dull" but honestly, most of the times in OSRS the combat consist of standing in 1 spot with your prayer, it's not exactly the most engaging system out there. All in all, both versions work for me at least. I play what ever I feel like playing there and then and don't see one being neither superior nor inferior to the other
It's a mix of bitterness and parroting, specially since a lot of people tried the 1.0 version of EoC that was REALLY shit, but never tried the modern one. You can see with a lot of OSRS content creators that try Rs3, almost all of them enjoy the game, but later quit because of the one true problem with Rs3, lack of a decent flow of good new content
Amazing video! The compilation of old YT videos about the polls was my favorite part but the intro and outro also gave me chills. Crazy how much work you put into making this! Gz on 100k views, well deserved.
Love the video! Really good idea since it seems like the story of Runescape has a perfect three-act structure ending in redemption - hope you carry on with these kinds of videos! 😃
Firstly, I just wanna say thank you for this video. It’s very well organized and put together. With that said, I want to say that while you were explaining the problem for behind why they removed the wilderness as well as trading. which caused and marked the end of the golden age of RuneScape. I sat and thought about the problem and the two options they were seemingly trapped between of no longer being able to accept card payments, which would essentially destroy their company or making a decision that would also make at least half of their player base, unhappy. And I realized, after sitting with that problem for about five minutes, my first thought was how unfortunate it was to be in such a situation and and the realization that it’s perfectly understandable why they made the decision that they did. But then I thought was there really no solution? I to tried to put myself in the shoes of say the CEO or the founder and really try to fathom another possibility other than these two options that they were seemingly trapped between. And I realized that yes there is another option and possibly could’ve been an amazing option that could’ve solved multiple standing issues with the game and an actually would be a solution to issues that MMO‘s in general and games in general have been facing as well as continue to faces as AI/more sophisticated botting methods Continue to be developed. And I realized what they could’ve done is they could have kept the wilderness and kept trading and yes discontinued all card payments. And instead, they could’ve made it so that if you wanted to pay for membership, you could go to GameStop and pay for membership only through buying a physical card with a code on the back of that card. And I realized you could also make it so that you would only be able to buy the card if you have an ID or your parents come with their ID to buy the card. This would solve that issue of card payments as the card payments would be occurring in person and would not legally be connected to Jagex, but to the third-party sellers such as GameStop. Now, perhaps this would take a toll on their sells, as you wouldn’t be able to so easily purchase membership as you would have to go to a physical location to acquire it. But this may not actually have hurt their sells much, as especially at the time it was incredibly common to go to GameStop or to a physical location to buy a game. And the player base and popularity was already so massive. That if they would have clearly explained the problem and the solution. I think players would have rushed to buy them. Not only that it could have even in an odd way helped the games sells as it would’ve developed a kind of exclusivity or culture. Behind attaining membership. And lastly I also realize you could simultaneously solve the issue of bot accounts with this method as well because every members account would naturally then have to be associated to an ID or physical person. You actually could take this further if you wanted to and make it so that the only way to actually register an account would be to go into a physical location in person. If they wanted to, they could even make it so they have their own physical Jagex stores/locations. That people would have to come into to create their account to play RuneScape. There are various different strategies they could employ or ways they could do this. And the exclusivity factor could give a weight to owning a RuneScape account that no other MMO would have. So then imagine a RuneScape, where you know every single account is a real player. And the wilderness was never taken down and trading was never taken down, and the grand exchange didn’t exist. And because each account would be directly associated to a persons ID or to them physically coming to a location. Hacking as well as botting or doing any other kinds of malicious activities would have much more severe penalties. As you couldn’t just easily make a new account. And people couldn’t just so easily steal your account as your account would be connected or associated with your physical identity. Account recovery would be very easy. And punishment for anyone stealing your account also would be very easy. As you could simply track the items that were stolen from your account and track simply to which account they were passed to. Something like this would’ve solved so many problems at that time and also would solve a lot of issues coming up with gaming today again as botting and AI really makes doing anything in these games practically pointless. Imagine, we could have had a sustained golden age in RuneScape far beyond 2008. Even more so RuneScape and culture that would develop behind it. Could have blown up even more. And the player interaction and player economy would have evolved even more. Jobs such Rune running, cowhiding and more would have continued and more would emerged. And entire ecosystem that would be fair and essentially protected from botting or exploitation would continue to exist, develop and evolve over a decade.
Technically if they to, they could still do this. Imagining a new Runscape, with updated graphics, but still fully retaining the original aesthetic. And you could look much further away, see the sky, and see buildings from a more ground level. And it’s a fresh start. Everyone gets a fresh start, no grand exchange. And new editions to the map, as well as new quests skills and resources. And the ability for players to own physical land. And build their own towns, and cities, and to build their own armies, and fight for that land. And perhaps a continuation of the story. Of the god wars. Where the gods come back and fight over the realm as they once did. These wars would completely change the world. As it once did before, hence how the wilderness was created during the last god war.
I just saw the title sequence, and the production value, the editing, the delivery of the intro you made, and you got yourself a sub! This is wonderful work even just 2 minutes in! I was a player who quit with the EOC. And I didn't even do combat, it was because of the wild changes to the interfaces. The legacy mode and pre-eoc combat was a thing, but even today, it's just not the same game it was when I started playing at 9 years old in 2004. That's why I started an ironman osrs account earlier this year, and the magic of this game is back for me. :)
cause jagex literally ripped our childhoods out from under our feet and sent our accounts to a game we'd never play. on purpose. and they laughed about it
As someone who played runescape since shortly after RS2 was released it really brings a tear to my eye to be reminded of everything we have gone through and how far we have come today... It really shows that in the right hands the passion we have gor the things we have can live on forever.
makes me so so fucking proud that the player base banded together and got what we wanted, we pay we say Mod ash is by far the most dedicated, devoted and loved dev of any game ever made, with out him this our game never get to where it is! Thank you mod Ash
Man. I remember so well, being at school in the IT village and being shown this cool point and click game, and then not even a month later it appeared on Mini clip (which was the go to for sneakily playing in IT lessons or on lunch break). Was one of the first times I ever felt like I was ahead of a trend 😅
EOC combat hasn't changed in any remarkable way since its original rollout, meaning it has been around longer than classic and runescape 2 combined (other than OSRS). It's still using the same old generic and uninspiring combat abilities with a few additions tacked on at higher levels. It has got to be the most boring system of its kind in the entire industry and they've done nothing to fix it. THAT is why rs3 is failing. Plenty of other MMOs with similar combat systems have far worse MTX than RS3 but they at least make their combat system fun and engaging, but not jagex, that would require actually investing into their own products which they hate doing.
"EOC combat hasn't changed" thats straight up untrue, the 1.0 version was completely garbage and clunky (thats why it flopped) it received a lot of changes to make it smoother, theres not even the Revolution system on launch, it is not EoC that makes modern Rs3 suck, if anything modern EoC is the one only thing it has over OSRS, what makes RS3 suck is the fact that the new content either sucks or is too slow to release, content is always king, and for every 1 good new content Rs3 gets, osrs gets 5, this is why RS3 is dying, MTX poisoned the well for content because it's more money efficient to make content for the cash shop than to make good new content for gameplay
@@nexpersonal5066 you deliberately left out a major part of that statement "... In any REMARKABLE way" Yeah they have tuned the combat and added revolution for AFK, but EOC combat is almost identical to its original rollout. The combat fucking sucks and always has. It didn't flunk because it was clunky, otherwise almost everyone would have come back. People didn't come back because the system fundamentally sucked ass.
@@schmiddy8433 Revolution+ and the accuracy hit changes from post Necro changed massively how the combat flows, it REMARKABLY changed how you play, with how switches and specs work, specially since the way the combat system works interacts greatly with weapons, new weapons and ability codexes change a lot how it plays. No one comes back to RS3 because why would they ? Why would yo leave OSRS that has always great content to go to a game where the new Tier 95 Armor from the hardest dungeon to date is a reskin from the MTX shop, CONTENT IS KING, and RS3 has SHIT content schedule
@@nexpersonal5066 Ask literally anyone else in the OSRS community if they like the combat in RS3 And to give you a point of comparison, by the time the Wrath of the Lich King expansion for WoW was released (4 years after the original game launch) WoW had hundreds of different 'spells' and abilities. Each one had unique effects that synergized with any number of other abilities to create different rotations and many people spent a lot of their time just theory crafting the best rotations. What do you have in RS3 after a decade of EOC? One dimensional abilities that do one thing, maybe are designed to work with one other ability, and that's about it. Everyone is still using the same boring and uninspired abilities from 10 years ago.
@@schmiddy8433 RS3 Rotations literally changed a lot, necromancy it's is own whole new thing, EOF was huge, literally every old spec became valid again. ALSO OFC the average OSRS player will say they hate the RS3 combat, because they either don't like the style overall, haven't played it and are just parroting, or well, are one of the multiple streamers you see that actually played the game and liked it but didn't stay/play casually cuz the content sucks. Theres so much to hate and complain from RS3, but complaining about modern day EOC is peak "quit during EOC release, never played again, thinks that they know what they are talking about" muting notifs
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I want to thank everyone for watching and showing support. This was my biggest project ever, and honestly, I'm very happy that the 4 months of work, editing, researching, and scriptwriting didn't go to no avail. I've read every comment so far, and the overwhelming majority of these comments are positive. It's great to see a lot of people sharing their experiences during this time period, as well as sharing how they found the video moving.
The support means the world to me. Thanks again!
Awesome video, brother.
Fantastic work
Holy shit this was an awesome watch! Just subbed
Every time I regret not becoming a youtuber, I see comments like this about the work that goes into a video and immediately change my mind.
@@bobbynobank good work, love to see more.
It's an absolute miracle ash hasn't been fired for the numerous times he publicly stood against his employers for the communities good. What a God send we still have this angel
Ash is a buddy of Andrew’s and has been with the game and interacted with the player base for longer than most people have been with the game and is considered such a good developer that other companies look at his work as a standard. He knows his worth and I’m sure he and his bosses know when he does speak up it’s for the better of the game and community
GOD ASH
All hail god Ash, king of the goblins
Fck I love God Ash so much I want to have his children
They know that
A: He knows the game better than practically anyone else, and
B: If he were fired, the community shitstorm that would follow would instantly kill runescape dead.
In that light, him being kept around could also be seen as a sign of a smart employer, because many higher-ups nowadays don't want to hear criticism and will fire employees or threaten you otherwise for levying it against them.
Even if the boss makes major mistakes and doesn't know what's good for the game, him not firing Ash makes him more competent than most by a country mile.
The fact that nearly no one at Jagex believed that OSRS would survive more than 6 months, while now 11 years later, we're literally in the top 3 most played MMO's, makes me happy and proud. Great video btw!
We gotta aim for #1 😩
we are? wait, how do you know?
Though to be fair MMOs are a very dead genre these days
they have no idea what a good game is. idiots completely destroyed rs2.
@@scrung There's a video that came out recently with top 15 most played MMO's at the moment. TOP3: Final fantasy #1, World of Warcraft #2 and OSRS #3. I'll post name of the vid if i find it again
Still mad about EoC to this day
It's worthless system 😭 so worthless it ruined the entire game
Same. Almost all my friends quit because of it, as did I.
Imagine how far behind in life we would be
Jagex should delete RS3 and replace it with RuneScape 2008/2009 with wilderness, free trade, and gambling.
Im a new player and I actually like it
The RuneScape community doesn't deserve a man like Mod Ash. I lived through the removal of wilderness and free trade and stuck around for 8 years hoping the game would someday relive the glory it had in 2006. The man deserves to be up there with the Gower brothers when it comes to recognition for the success of the franchise.
He truly is one of a kind!
I wish I could pinpoint when I stopped playing RS. I was in the top 100, level 126 somewhere between 2005 and 2007, and like the 90th person to 91 rune crafting. I don't even recognize OSRS, and that's okay. A part of me thought I'd regret not "making memories" in real life, but I think it shaped who I am. Without trying to be the top level in RuneScape, I wouldn't have strived to be a top level software engineer in real life as an adult.
I do remember the end of the wilderness too. That was the beginning of the end of my interest in the game.
Wait, OSRS does not have wilderness any more?
@@crw662RS3 doesn't anymore. It's some stupid "ask if the person wants to pk" meme now. It's due in part to the man babies on Reddit crying about PvP (also happening a lot on OSRS), and the fact that PvP in EOC was complete trash
@@amogusenjoyer
I don’t typically go to wilderness because I’m not a big combat person, but I can’t imagine runscape without it.
In 2013 Mod Ash hoisted the entire company on his shoulders and carried them to where we are today.
That's why this game is alive today.
All this while they didn't want him to and didn't believe in him. Tbh it shouldn't have worked if it wasn't for the dedication of that small OSRS team that put way more hours in it than they should and lived the game instead of just working on it.
There's a reason a lot of the playerbase call him "God Ash"
(god) Ash is an absolute legend. and not just for this. hes insanely active on twitter, absolutely devoted to runescape and making it as good as it can be. wonderful guy.
That's God Ash to you. And to all of us.
Honestly the EoC probably saved lives with how many people quit their Runescape addiction.
You say that like there isn't currently over 130k people on OSRS right now 😂
I remember these events still clearly. I was so mad 2012-2013 at Jagex, even quit for a private server.
I immediately dropped the private server when I heard about the OSRS poll, the day I logged on "2007Scape" as it was called back then, is still to this day, one of my best gaming moments ever.
Yup, looking at that shitty poll on their website for EOC
Its so funny to me, how a playerbase of 1.3m, loses 500k players to a privately run 2006 server. They then question wether people want the old version back or not. That is absolutely wild, and shows how out of touch some of Jagex employees where back then. The players opinions matters a whole lot more than your emplyees opinions in an MMORPG
Private servers are a different beast and are usually treated differently. While I've only tried one or two Runescapes private servers, they have a similar monetization principle to say WoW private servers. There is no monthly fee, but you can "give donations" that will award you with currency which can be either cosmetic or P2W.
I would also be sceptical of the playerbase that apparently has a problem with MTX only to jump ship on a private server where you can buy even more of an advantage with IRL money. What good are 500k players if majority are playing because it's free and the rest are hypocrites? With the poll they at least knew they had half a million people ready to pony up for the service.
@@Numbers_Game But you have to realise how long the process was for jagex to listen to their customers. It is an absilutely wild timeline of events, where they push back on consumer feedback and push on with updates people heavily adress they dont want. When other jagex employees plinted it out, they risked getting silenced, or even worse, fired all together. Thats a huge L in jagex book, no matter how good they repremanded it. Because they did fix it, eventually. But it took a hell of a lot of time
Mod Ash saved this company's ass for real
JUST THE INTRO ANIMATION ALONE FOR THIS IS GOLD!!! please keep going my guy we need more creators like you!
Thanks! I'll try my best
Well that was easily the most impressive intro to a TH-cam video essay I’ve ever seen and probably will ever see.
Easily impressed lol
@@tvdvd8661 Your trolling. That was an AMAZING intro!
@@tvdvd8661Mad that more people are impressed by the intro than your shit gameplay vids?😂
I'm really happy he used the RuneScape 3 theme. It's such a beautiful composition that gets slept on.
lol i had skip that.
In actual TEARS.
What happened to RS was so saddening. OSRS happening was one of the best things to happen in gaming history. What a video, bless, my friend. Amazing.
Thanks so much!
The lore behind OSRS is definitely amazing
as someone who started osrs last year, I'd like to thank my runescape forefathers for fighting for the old school client
no problem mate❤
You're welcome little buddy enjoy the grind my days are over maybe
RS player, started in 2007. Quit maybe 2010. Just got back in and I prefer OSRS over RS3. Glad we still got the old school servers
@@rebirth26 obviously.
Mod mark was one of the worst things to ever happen to RuneScape.
I remember playing runescape during that time I had a blast before. Then all of a sudden I log in and so much changed. It felt like a mid life crisis but back then I was 15 years old 😂 No idea why developers choose to destroy a good concept.
exactly what I'm sayin
18:16
homies being asked by his primary source of income (fans) about something they want, and he makes that stupid face in response. Its like he forgets Jagex makes its money from fans of runescape
I really hated how everything Mark said and wanted basically boiled down to making the game excessively more "epic" or "awesome", failing to realise that the simplicity was what kept people engaged. Not just the combat too, the fact that you could just meet the Gods of the game face to face just completely shattered all mystery for me.
@@hyvenia6157 He wanted RuneScape to be more like World of Warcraft. Failing to realise that the reason why RuneScape was successful around that period was due to the simplicity of it all.
Take a look at RS3 now. People were happy that last month had an average of 20k+ players online for the first time since Necromancy released. It's a sad state of a game, spearheaded by people who have long forgotten the reason why RuneScape was so popular.
Now look at OSRS. 130k+ online right now. Yeah, people can say there are a lot of bots. But just look at how well it performs online on TH-cam and Twitch. It's a massively popular game, because it's simple. Sweaty methods are there, but it's less than 1% of the playerbase actually participating in said methods.
Nobody, and I really mean nobody (well, aside from Mod Mark and his goons) wanted RuneScape to become World of Warcraft lite. We're 10+ years on from OSRS releasing, and just look at how well that turned out for the game. OSRS is getting REAL content updates on the regular. Whereas RS3 contents are whatever the latest TH event is and a new boss every 5 months. Love to see somebody as clueless as Mod Mark be proven massively wrong.
I just don't understand how they went through with the update given how much opposition there was.
OSRS is actually older than RS2 was. It's proof that RS3 never needed to happen. I cried at some of the clips on the outro. OSRS is more nostalgic than RS2 at this point. The community is amazing, lead by the dedicated OSRS Jagex team that put their heart into this game.
Wow, the time between RS2 and RS3 release dates is a little over 9 years while the time between OSRS release date and today is well over 11 years. That's mindblowing.
Rs3 Needed to happen. Theres a good population of the player base that would've never played Runescape without the EOC update. This is just opening the player base up to Runescape in general. Some from Rs3 will try, maybe convert, maybe not, or maybe both. I think I would be a statistical proof that Rs3 did need to happened because without it I Wouldn't have jumped in and fell in love with Runescape as a whole. I'm sure I am not the only one here.
@@user-ck9tb4fv2xI started with RS3. I tried out OSRS but didn’t really like it.
Tell me you’re a 20something that got into OSRS because of B0aty without telling me 😂
You have NO idea what you’re talking about. RS2 will always be the goat over OSRS
@@kingocowata ya know i used to think the same about RS2. But honestly.. I think oldschool at this point is way better. I do everything I used too + 10x more lol.
The 70% community vote needed for updates, is one of the greatest things gamers have ever been given.
Its amazing
Somewhat because they will often put something players don’t want back in the polls with something that players want.
@@albanybestdrumlineplenty of decent little updates that failed by 1-2% no reason not too, possibly redefine, repoll them.
to this day the most important thing I've voted for :')
@@l0lan00b3 If I remember correctly, when they first started polls, being able to move the camera with middle mouse button originally failed lmao.
Its really great how many decent updates have never passed because of merchers and elitists.
I remember standing in Lumbridge with a group of people protesting in the final moments because the game got turned off to switch to EOC. Very sad day
I quit when 3 came out. Didn’t start again til I heard OSRS came out and that was years after it was released
Randomly had this video pop up in my homepage and its so well done and well documented, and I got a very cheeky cameo! I quit in 2012 because of the microtransactions and the combat update, and while I'm not much on TH-cam these days, I'm still an avid OSRS player and almost maxed (which I never did in RS3). Great vid!
I still remember after eoc when they made every weapon basicaly 4 tic without adjusting any stats. Very smart team who thought that was a great idea.
lol eoc was so broken, felt like the npc weren’t balanced properly for it. I just remember wrecking stuff
They spent like 3 years straight just killing the game, first they made the armors looks terrible, rune bandos barrows armors now looks terrible. They changed the weapons made the whip look like trash. They got rid of trading and wilderness, then they make all the og armors and weapons useless by releasing chaotics and other op armor and weapons that literally made the old endgame items garbage. Archers rings were like 25k when I looked at my bank last.
Also changed the look of how you do combat, changed the hit splats to where you now hit 100 instead of 10.
Overloads and soul split/turmoilalso ruined pvp and made pvm way too easy.
@@hulkhogan2113 i feel like some of the mods back then just had no respect for the existing content and threw it in the trash.
What an incredibly well made video - well done!
You have no idea how much this means coming from someone like you lol
Thank so much!!!
It might seem nuts now, and it doesn’t get a mention here, but at the time the addition of the G.E was actually really controversial. It killed off most in world trading, absolutely nuked the industries that were operating on the Forums for Trade. There was literally a trading floor going off in the forums, you’d have to bump your thread every 5/10 mins that’s how busy it was. Buying BS at 100gp ea spinning like 10k of em, PAYING PEOPLE to do so in gp and then selling them for 150-170 ea depending on when the US servers woke up. Sometimes you’d have someone desparate for a sale who would offer 180gp each and you bit that guys arm off, you dropped what you were doing and sold all you had regardless of where you are in your processing.
Really miss some of the content that didn't make it because of the 2007 cut. Things like Stealing Creations was one of the best minigames they ever made, Fist of Guthix that came to shape an entire new F2P meta both for gear and skilling, and the few balanced aspects of Summoning was a nice spin on the common MMO follower system. I remember when I first tried OSRS in 2017 going to where Fist of Guthix was in the wilderness to go train up magic, only to find that it and some of the better content from 2008-2011 didn't make it into the game.
I hope they add them eventually, loved it so much. Dungeoneering too, they’ve tried to introduce similar mechanics but it’s all end-game..
I personally liked the polypore concept of a built in spell item and I’m glad they came out with the trident as something similar in osrs. I also wish they had flasks in osrs
I miss playing FOG so much! I'd run around as a 50 attack pure with 99 range and magic and just punish main accounts with switches. 😂
Ah, the good old days. When I had no money and my parents beat me. At least I had Runescape.
As much as I loved them back in the day, FOG and SC were only fun because we were clueless noobs. If they released today they'd be minmaxed to hell and be dead within a week just like every other PVP minigame
@@importantiethey’re about to add sailing and i feel like it’s gonna be horrible
So many of us logged into Falador on that fateful day and never logged back in....until ONE DAY in 2013 :)
Was until 2018 for me lol. I quit after trying the beta and figuring out they aren't going back on this. So I had no clue they ever made osrs until I saw a random ad for it.
I was one of those, I logged in, moved the camera around, saw the icons, logged out and never came back. They really did drop the ball there. Never trust a jagex employee named mark again. lol
Love the intro, especially the music. Sounds like James bond, The Incredibles and Tintin all at once. Fills you with a sense of wonder and mystery.
Bro that intro segment animation was absolutely freaking beautiful. I really hope you blow up because seriously your quality is top notch.
insane production
big shoutout, amazing video
beginning of osrs was so magical, glad i was a part of that
Probably the first time youtube rec'd a lower sub/view channel video without it being complete garbage devoid of any production value. Amazing video, will be checking in for more
No Content = Trash opinion on video making. Make some videos bro then get back with this one when your quality meets or exceeds this one.
@@user-ck9tb4fv2x What are you yapping on about, I'm saying the video is good
The first time. Okay. Have you been on yt for 5 days?
Iunno, youtube recommends random low-view count videos (im talking single digits sometimes here) all the time.
I think you just need to actually click on those videos more often for it to realize you're open to watching unpopular stuff that's not taken off or anything yet.
No offense, boyo, but it sounds like you need to watch some better vids. The rec feature sure ain't perfect, but it jives off what you've been watching. Or at least tries to.
What the FUCK is the editing on this video. This channel better pop off
RIGHT
Maybe one day!
@@bobbynobankkeep it up like this and it will!
That intro reminds me of Monty Python's Flying Circus.
Bobby Python.
Shoutout Oxie from the XP Waste Pod for this. No idea a video like this existed. Very very great video and the memories of watching what happened back then honestly is sad. But the OSRS community has uplifted all the bad memories of everyone’s childhood games being destroyed by still being a great game since the release in 2013.
Happy Scaping!
Thanks so much! I ended up listening to their episode due to this message
Glad you enjoyed my video as well!
912 subs, production quality on hollywood.
I've played RuneScape for 19 years. I'm still on RS3, but I voted for 07, I constantly watch 07 content and just started a GIM on 07. I'll never stop singing the praises of OSRS, it is a game ran the correct way. I wish us in RS3 got the same treatment.
Very happy to see you point how Jagex changed their own rules during Squeal of Fortune. Its a small detail that is often overlooked when people talk about this, but its so important to showing how Jagex worked at that time. For me, this was the big update that made me feel Runescape was dead. Adding in microtransactions and changing their rules quietly, made it feel like could change whatever they wanted and they weren't going to be open about it to the players. It created this feeling of separation that Jagex typically didn't have. At least not for monetary things which could affect the game so drastically.
I'm one of the many who quit when EOC came out. Runescape is special and unique the way it is. Changing it to mold it into just another ordinary MMO ruins it. So glad Old School became a thing and is thriving to this day. I truly believe if it wasn't for Old School, Runescape would just be a nostalgic memory of a forgotten game right now.
That intro went hard.
Edit. The production value throughout goes hard
I still remember the day I heard about the vote. I was working, doing some furniture deliveries, and one of my RS friends called my cell number while I was riding in the truck. "IT HAPPENED! THEY ARE BRINGING BACK 2007 RUNESCAPE!" and we collectively freaked out for a bit about it. Hilariously, I played OSRS on multiple accounts including an iron with over 2k total and that same friend never really played it lol.[
It's clear how much love, effort and attention has gone into this video and the result is wonderful. I had to go back and watch that intro again just to appreciate all the themes you managed to convey visually. You did such a good job in building up the feelings of hope towards the end of the video as well, and then eventually celebration as OSRS returned. I almost felt as though I had gone back in time and was experiencing it all again. Beautiful.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it a lot. 😊
25:25 made me teary 🥲
only 4600 views? we gotta pump those views up, this is an excellent video.
24k+
They will remove all MTX from RS3 (allegedly) and RS3 will now completely overpower ols school as the best runescape version to play.
Thank you for your support!
@@cailax11it's not being removed. They are rethinking it, but that doesn't mean removed
This video was amazing. I started playing during the RSC era and am still playing to this day on OSRS. I was one of the thousands of players who quit because of EOC, didn't even know OSRS was brought back until 2017 when a childhood friend of mine told me about it, and have been playing it again every since. It's crazy to see the game go from an internet browser, to playing it on my phone during down time at work. We all owe it to Mod Ash and the 2 other mods who were brave enough to speak their opinions and get the ball rolling for the roll back.
I paid some $$ to the 2006scape owner to get in to the beta testing, 11/10 experience, shit was so good. Don't really feel like I got scammed because he put so much time and effort in to creating it, he deserved some money for his effort before Jigflex axed his project.
@@Matu007 i did as well but it was really janky, i remember being disappointed cause i set my expectations too high 😂
Facts. 06scape was SO fun!
The vote compilation of creators reaching out for osrs votes... brings tears to my eyes, how people can just come together like that. Amazing stuff.
Criminally underrated channel. You really went above and beyond finding all those old videos and other RS youtubers I follow don't have nearly half as much of that. You deserve far more attention and subscribers just for this video alone. Keep up the great work!!
I remember 2013 so vividly with the various updates. When Eoc was announced the market for spec weapons went insane.
The production value on this video is 100x better than 99% of the other videos on this platform
Insta subscribed
A member of my clan linked this video - I wanted to comment to let you know I enjoyed the entire video and you did an excellent job! I look forward to seeing more
Wow the introduction editing is really impressive! Great work and attention to detail :)
Thank you!!!
I had honestly forgotten how bad it got leading up to EOC. It was genuinely mental.
This video is so well done though the end with settled on swampletics gave me chills. Really makes you appreciate what we've got now with OSRS !
Mod Mark single hand DESTROYED runescape and he is still working for them today. Please I beg you f****** fire the guy. CMMON. Jagex was just bought! and they are now hopefully taking down all microtransactions in RS3, this is AMAZING. Runescape is releasing content and is back alive. We have to fire all people related to RS2.
I've played since classic, sort of faded away after 07 because graduation and working, starting my career.. I didn't know it came to a vote to have OSRS back, I would have came back just to vote YES. It brought tears to my eyes to know how many people came together to get this game that I love and have played for years back..
That intro is so cool dude, so much work put into this video
this absolutely saved Runescape.... as a whole.... I started playing on Miniclip WAY BACK WHEN and always find myself coming back to just check on my characters, and kinda go on a nostalgia trip about one of my favorite MMOs of all time
this video is like a time machine, fucking incredible
as someone that was in the EoC beta, it wasnt actually being used to test by most players. it was mosting rwt'ers and bot testing and the few like me that actually tested and found tons of bugs and more importantly told jagex repeatedly that it wasnt ready were ignored.
Spotted this video in my recommendations box, watched the whole thing in one sitting, insanely well made documentary!
Completely new to this channel and absolutely blown away by the quality of this doc!! I haven't touched the game in years, but this was such a trip down memory lane. I remember talking about the changes to the game with my friends at school and protesting in the GE, it was really something i cared deeply about at the time. Runescape truly has a special team of players and developers behind it and that is showcased really well by the care put into this video. cheers
I just started playing OSRS again after 12 years. Feelsgoodman
Every detail in the intro sequence was on point, absolutely loved the amount of effort put into that
Markdonalds is the biggest bundle of sticks ever for doing the game dirty like that
What phenominal production value.
I played a bunch of runescape from 2004 up to EOC. Def love old runescape, very nostalgic but I defenitly do not have the time anymore to do OSRS. Messing around in RS3 for a bit wanting to see some quests. Kind of wild how a lot of Jagex statments make me think of Blizzard numerous fuck ups ie you don't have phones, telling players what they want ect. Glad Mod Ash is still around, the legend.
Ain’t nothin better than chilling & playing osrs. Kinda transcends nostalgia for me at this point, just sends the greatest dopamine to the brain. shoutout W420 🐐
Nostalgia is a small part of osrs anymore. It's literally one of the greatest games ever made.
Holy cow that intro was phenomenally good, omg!
Phenomenal editing, and the "unregistered hypercam" in the corner is a nice touch lmao
I couldn't sub fast enough.
Honestly such a solid video all around. Neck snapper at the end was a nice bonus
2011…. Peak RuneScape. I miss dungeoneering 😢😮💨. The chaotic maul and rapier 😭😭😭
First day of 07scape being online was maybe the best gaming moment ever
This was a really well put together video and an absolute blast from the past. I remember all of it, and I was among the group that left when Eoc hit and came right back day 1 of oldschool. I still leave the game for extended periods of time but I always come back. Runescape has been as nostalgic as halo for me if not more. Hearing some of the older world soundtracks sometimes is enough to draw me back in. Truly a masterpiece of a game.
I fell into a really awkward position when the EOC scism came about. My "golden age" of playing Runescape was 2010, before EOC, but after a lot of other players' nostalgic vision of the game.
I remember grinding Fist of Guthix for the spiky berserker shields. I remember really liking the new HD models and animations, while others didn't. I remember loving the new Dungeoneering skill, while a lot of others disliked it.
When EOC did come out, I wasn't too happy with it. I felt it was too much of a change. But when 2007scape came back, I didn't like that either because it was before my time.
I was stuck between two games I loved and forced to pick a side.
I still play RS3 now. I love the world and story, I love the combat system, I love the new content and skills.
But I absolutely hate the prevelance of microtransactions souring it all.
Newgen
You chose the dark side, return to the light!
been playing since 05. 2010 was also my favourite era of rs. absolutely hated eoc and quit until the return of osrs. dont feel bad for choosing rs3. ignore the weirdos who love stirring the pot between both communities. what matters most is that you have fun 😁
@@mintcake6895 we have no respect for rs3 players, go play wow brother.
@@hulkhogan2113 id definitely rather play wow than rs3 😅
OSRS is Mod Ash's game and EoC is Mod Mark's game... we can clearly see who won
Fantastic video! I love our osrs community. The clips at the end really highlight how great this community is.
When I first saw Squeal of Fortune and EoC I was sad because my favorite childhood game was becoming like other microtransaction MMO slop. OSRS was a gift to the whole community by people who really knew and cared about what the players wanted.
This is TV documentary level content and editing. Excellent job! I predict 1M views in 1 month.
Now that would be something!
Thank you for the kind words
This was so well produced. Very moving. I played through EOC and play Old School now because I could never get my hands on membership back in the day. Great video!!
In all fairness, I don't understand the hate of RS3, and I play both OSRS and RS3, as well has having played Runescape since 2000 when it was a Java client with 2D cutouts walking around. The only beef I have with RS3 is the MTX, though playing Ironman I don't notice any difference between OSRS and RS3 in terms of the core mechanics that I like about Runescape, being the grinding out of skills. Main reason for Ironman is that shait called the Grand Exchange, honestly, a lot of videos I see of OSRS is mainly someone buying the top gear and everything they need and stand in the G.E doing their skill levelling. This is why Ironman is preferable in both RS3 and OSRS.
Sure you can blame EOC being "dull" but honestly, most of the times in OSRS the combat consist of standing in 1 spot with your prayer, it's not exactly the most engaging system out there.
All in all, both versions work for me at least. I play what ever I feel like playing there and then and don't see one being neither superior nor inferior to the other
It's a mix of bitterness and parroting, specially since a lot of people tried the 1.0 version of EoC that was REALLY shit, but never tried the modern one. You can see with a lot of OSRS content creators that try Rs3, almost all of them enjoy the game, but later quit because of the one true problem with Rs3, lack of a decent flow of good new content
The quality of this production and storytelling is phenomenal - I tip my hat to you sire!
I liked EOC , i ALSO liked the old style , the thing is microtransactions ruined the highscores, that sucks the most for the game.
1,000 subs? Dude, you are insanely talented at making these videos that is CRIMINALY underrating you
I still have a runescape account i haven’t touched in 20 years, yet, here i am watching this vid
Log in for the sake of old times
*Loading your greatest adventure.
Soup was actually the first one that started it all for OSRS. However, So Wreck3d did popularize it
As someone who only recently got into osrs, thanks for summarizing these events, runescape is an amazing game with an amazing history.
So glad to see that you've recently joined the community! I am also happy you found this video to be of some help in learning about its history
I quit @ eoc and didn't hear anything about osrs until 2018. I maxed in October 2022. I freaking love this game... if you voted yes, THANK YOU!
The intro was incredible 👏
That opening sequence was a work of art
Odablock at the end 💀
Amazing video! The compilation of old YT videos about the polls was my favorite part but the intro and outro also gave me chills.
Crazy how much work you put into making this! Gz on 100k views, well deserved.
Thank you very much!
Love the video! Really good idea since it seems like the story of Runescape has a perfect three-act structure ending in redemption - hope you carry on with these kinds of videos! 😃
Firstly, I just wanna say thank you for this video. It’s very well organized and put together.
With that said, I want to say that while you were explaining the problem for behind why they removed the wilderness as well as trading. which caused and marked the end of the golden age of RuneScape.
I sat and thought about the problem and the two options they were seemingly trapped between of no longer being able to accept card payments, which would essentially destroy their company or making a decision that would also make at least half of their player base, unhappy.
And I realized, after sitting with that problem for about five minutes, my first thought was how unfortunate it was to be in such a situation and and the realization that it’s perfectly understandable why they made the decision that they did.
But then I thought was there really no solution? I to tried to put myself in the shoes of say the CEO or the founder and really try to fathom another possibility other than these two options that they were seemingly trapped between.
And I realized that yes there is another option and possibly could’ve been an amazing option that could’ve solved multiple standing issues with the game and an actually would be a solution to issues that MMO‘s in general and games in general have been facing as well as continue to faces as AI/more sophisticated botting methods Continue to be developed.
And I realized what they could’ve done is they could have kept the wilderness and kept trading and yes discontinued all card payments.
And instead, they could’ve made it so that if you wanted to pay for membership, you could go to GameStop and pay for membership only through buying a physical card with a code on the back of that card.
And I realized you could also make it so that you would only be able to buy the card if you have an ID or your parents come with their ID to buy the card.
This would solve that issue of card payments as the card payments would be occurring in person and would not legally be connected to Jagex, but to the third-party sellers such as GameStop.
Now, perhaps this would take a toll on their sells, as you wouldn’t be able to so easily purchase membership as you would have to go to a physical location to acquire it. But this may not actually have hurt their sells much, as especially at the time it was incredibly common to go to GameStop or to a physical location to buy a game. And the player base and popularity was already so massive. That if they would have clearly explained the problem and the solution. I think players would have rushed to buy them. Not only that it could have even in an odd way helped the games sells as it would’ve developed a kind of exclusivity or culture. Behind attaining membership.
And lastly I also realize you could simultaneously solve the issue of bot accounts with this method as well because every members account would naturally then have to be associated to an ID or physical person. You actually could take this further if you wanted to and make it so that the only way to actually register an account would be to go into a physical location in person. If they wanted to, they could even make it so they have their own physical Jagex stores/locations. That people would have to come into to create their account to play RuneScape.
There are various different strategies they could employ or ways they could do this. And the exclusivity factor could give a weight to owning a RuneScape account that no other MMO would have.
So then imagine a RuneScape, where you know every single account is a real player. And the wilderness was never taken down and trading was never taken down, and the grand exchange didn’t exist.
And because each account would be directly associated to a persons ID or to them physically coming to a location. Hacking as well as botting or doing any other kinds of malicious activities would have much more severe penalties. As you couldn’t just easily make a new account. And people couldn’t just so easily steal your account as your account would be connected or associated with your physical identity. Account recovery would be very easy. And punishment for anyone stealing your account also would be very easy. As you could simply track the items that were stolen from your account and track simply to which account they were passed to.
Something like this would’ve solved so many problems at that time and also would solve a lot of issues coming up with gaming today again as botting and AI really makes doing anything in these games practically pointless.
Imagine, we could have had a sustained golden age in RuneScape far beyond 2008. Even more so RuneScape and culture that would develop behind it. Could have blown up even more. And the player interaction and player economy would have evolved even more. Jobs such Rune running, cowhiding and more would have continued and more would emerged. And entire ecosystem that would be fair and essentially protected from botting or exploitation would continue to exist, develop and evolve over a decade.
If only someone could have gone back in time and told them..
Technically if they to, they could still do this. Imagining a new Runscape, with updated graphics, but still fully retaining the original aesthetic. And you could look much further away, see the sky, and see buildings from a more ground level. And it’s a fresh start. Everyone gets a fresh start, no grand exchange. And new editions to the map, as well as new quests skills and resources. And the ability for players to own physical land. And build their own towns, and cities, and to build their own armies, and fight for that land. And perhaps a continuation of the story. Of the god wars. Where the gods come back and fight over the realm as they once did. These wars would completely change the world. As it once did before, hence how the wilderness was created during the last god war.
hey bro can you give us a 2 sentence run down of this
amazing vid, hows the UIM coming along????!!!!
My Favorite thing about Runescape back in the day was that it wasn't World of Warcraft.
IT DID NOT SPLIT THE PLAYERBASE IN HALF . it just destroyed a game and made a new game inside the same old world
I just saw the title sequence, and the production value, the editing, the delivery of the intro you made, and you got yourself a sub! This is wonderful work even just 2 minutes in! I was a player who quit with the EOC. And I didn't even do combat, it was because of the wild changes to the interfaces. The legacy mode and pre-eoc combat was a thing, but even today, it's just not the same game it was when I started playing at 9 years old in 2004. That's why I started an ironman osrs account earlier this year, and the magic of this game is back for me. :)
Why I get emotional when the youtube montages for voting happened
cause jagex literally ripped our childhoods out from under our feet and sent our accounts to a game we'd never play. on purpose. and they laughed about it
The intro, the narration, the clips/editing...holy shit! The effort shows man. Top tier game, top tier video, top tier rollback. O7
big o at the end 😂
As someone who played runescape since shortly after RS2 was released it really brings a tear to my eye to be reminded of everything we have gone through and how far we have come today...
It really shows that in the right hands the passion we have gor the things we have can live on forever.
great video! good job man
makes me so so fucking proud that the player base banded together and got what we wanted, we pay we say
Mod ash is by far the most dedicated, devoted and loved dev of any game ever made, with out him this our game never get to where it is!
Thank you mod Ash
this is an amazing video, this will be big for you!
Man. I remember so well, being at school in the IT village and being shown this cool point and click game, and then not even a month later it appeared on Mini clip (which was the go to for sneakily playing in IT lessons or on lunch break). Was one of the first times I ever felt like I was ahead of a trend 😅
EOC combat hasn't changed in any remarkable way since its original rollout, meaning it has been around longer than classic and runescape 2 combined (other than OSRS). It's still using the same old generic and uninspiring combat abilities with a few additions tacked on at higher levels. It has got to be the most boring system of its kind in the entire industry and they've done nothing to fix it. THAT is why rs3 is failing. Plenty of other MMOs with similar combat systems have far worse MTX than RS3 but they at least make their combat system fun and engaging, but not jagex, that would require actually investing into their own products which they hate doing.
"EOC combat hasn't changed" thats straight up untrue, the 1.0 version was completely garbage and clunky (thats why it flopped) it received a lot of changes to make it smoother, theres not even the Revolution system on launch, it is not EoC that makes modern Rs3 suck, if anything modern EoC is the one only thing it has over OSRS, what makes RS3 suck is the fact that the new content either sucks or is too slow to release, content is always king, and for every 1 good new content Rs3 gets, osrs gets 5, this is why RS3 is dying, MTX poisoned the well for content because it's more money efficient to make content for the cash shop than to make good new content for gameplay
@@nexpersonal5066 you deliberately left out a major part of that statement
"... In any REMARKABLE way"
Yeah they have tuned the combat and added revolution for AFK, but EOC combat is almost identical to its original rollout. The combat fucking sucks and always has. It didn't flunk because it was clunky, otherwise almost everyone would have come back. People didn't come back because the system fundamentally sucked ass.
@@schmiddy8433 Revolution+ and the accuracy hit changes from post Necro changed massively how the combat flows, it REMARKABLY changed how you play, with how switches and specs work, specially since the way the combat system works interacts greatly with weapons, new weapons and ability codexes change a lot how it plays. No one comes back to RS3 because why would they ? Why would yo leave OSRS that has always great content to go to a game where the new Tier 95 Armor from the hardest dungeon to date is a reskin from the MTX shop, CONTENT IS KING, and RS3 has SHIT content schedule
@@nexpersonal5066 Ask literally anyone else in the OSRS community if they like the combat in RS3
And to give you a point of comparison, by the time the Wrath of the Lich King expansion for WoW was released (4 years after the original game launch) WoW had hundreds of different 'spells' and abilities. Each one had unique effects that synergized with any number of other abilities to create different rotations and many people spent a lot of their time just theory crafting the best rotations.
What do you have in RS3 after a decade of EOC? One dimensional abilities that do one thing, maybe are designed to work with one other ability, and that's about it. Everyone is still using the same boring and uninspired abilities from 10 years ago.
@@schmiddy8433 RS3 Rotations literally changed a lot, necromancy it's is own whole new thing, EOF was huge, literally every old spec became valid again. ALSO OFC the average OSRS player will say they hate the RS3 combat, because they either don't like the style overall, haven't played it and are just parroting, or well, are one of the multiple streamers you see that actually played the game and liked it but didn't stay/play casually cuz the content sucks. Theres so much to hate and complain from RS3, but complaining about modern day EOC is peak "quit during EOC release, never played again, thinks that they know what they are talking about"
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A fucking masterpiece of a video explaining what happened. As someone who started playing this year. I find this invaluable. Thanks!
That is awesome to hear! Thanks for watching!