People think NFP doesn’t work because people who use NFP tend to have large families. Oddly enough the people who practice nfp are open to large families. Because of health issues and the approval of my priest.I use Marquette and have managed to not get pregnant for over 6 years. So yes nfp does work but it’s also a huge cross because my husband and I have to practice chastity within our marriage. I know a lady who told me that nfp is too difficult that she’d rather have kids. She’s 13 kids in .
In periods of abstinence use it as an opportunity to grow closer to God by fasting and praying for one another offer up by suffering associated with it for each others salvation as the souls in purgatory as well as your children. And remind each other that you love each other and use the sexual energy to lovingly serve others.
Chastity, for love of God, makes a marriage stronger. That is also a SACRED intimacy uniting you to God and to each other. Look at it as a BLESSING and not as a drudgery. You will find it brings you so much joy.
You are such a gift to all of your listeners regardless of our age. I am 70 years old and how I wished I had your faith and perspective on family as you both share. God bless you and your precious family 🙏✝️
I love this! I have been pregnant 10 times and have 6 living children. Our last baby was born when I was 41, but I had two more pregnancies after when I was 45 and again at 47. I would have loved to have those two as well as the older two babies in our lives. More children are such a blessing to a family! I love watching how our children get along with each. Homeschool has also been a gift, and they have grown close because of it. If only everyone could see how much joy a big family can bring. Thank you for your witness to this!
I reached out to Louise almost 3 years ago after watching your first video on the Marquette method and I’ve never looked back. There is a definite peace that comes with this method for me. My husband struggles with this teaching of the church and I find it much easier but he with God’s grace supports this. I definitely love the objectivity of it as well and coupled with the science behind it helped my husband with it as well. That part of the billing’s ovulation method I also found stressful, ‘reading’ my daily symptoms correctly.
I started Marquette because of your older video a year and a half ago. I got off of birth control and because of my charting my doctor found out I needed surgery because I had a large mass on my ovary. We had a house with a ceiling that fell in and Catholic Heart came and fixed it so we could sell the house. That gave me the money to pay for the surgery. The doctor said that if I had left the mass to fester then after a year it would have become cancerous. I had so many doctors in that year of NFP telling me to go back to birth control but I refused because one Catholic doctor told me about the morality side. Anyways, your video sent me on a beautiful and painful journey so I am very grateful! God bless!
Hi Ken and Janelle I really love watching You and Your beautiful Family Wow that is great you will be celebrating your 15 Anniversary God bless you all 🙏🏻✝️☮️📿🌺🌹💐❤️💜💗💙💗🍀
My mom said my twin and I were accidental babies because our brother is just 10 months older than us. It might seem harsh (she always says it with a smile), but in reality, I took it as God's Providential Will. He wanted us with Him for eternity. No matter what my parents intended. 'Accident' is not in God's Vocabulary in my opinion. ❤
Let's put it this way it wasn't planned on your parents part, and did you know half of all pregnancies are not planned, whether they use NFP or not. Interesting enough one of the main Matrix s they used to gauge how much sex a society is having is by single mother birth, and it has been dropping. ( which that is a good thing, but it shows marital sex is declining also. Gen Z marriages Millennial marriages are having far less sex than the baby boomers.
Obviously it wasn't planned on your parents part? But 50% of pregnancies are not planned whether they use NFP method or something else all birth control has a failure rate. One thing they used as a matrix for gauging how much sex people are having in marriage and in the society as a whole is single mother birth And single mother births have been dropping precipitously what shows are couples are having less sex in marriage too. In fact a study done showed that Millennials and gen z's are having far less sex in marriage and out of marriage.
Obviously it wasn't planned on your parents part? But 50% of pregnancies are not planned whether they use NFP method or something else all birth control has a failure rate. One thing they used as a matrix for gauging how much sex people are having in marriage and in the society as a whole is single mother birth And single mother births have been dropping precipitously what shows are couples are having less sex in marriage too. In fact a study done showed that Millennials and gen z's are having far less sex in marriage and out of marriage.
Obviously it wasn't planned on your parents part? But 50% of pregnancies are not planned whether they use NFP method or something else all birth control has a failure rate. One thing they used as a matrix for gauging how much sex people are having in marriage and in the society as a whole is single mother birth And single mother births have been dropping precipitously what shows are couples are having less sex in marriage too. In fact a study done showed that Millennials and gen z's are having far less sex in marriage and out of marriage.
It was a blessing for our marriage also…even in the later years when fertility gets wonky. ;) You presented this topic in a beautiful way…thank you for your witness!
I’m not aware of this being teached in the uk and would love if someone created a book about this method, so everyone can have access. I’ve been practicing it on my own the last 3 yrs, self taught from bits and pieces that I’ve learn. God bless you both ❤❤
You two are so cute...you put this all very well. Those that scoff and think because you have 7 children NFP doesn't work, don't understand the procreation with God. We did NFP way back when, our final child turned 38 in November, the charts, temps etc was tedious at times but it worked well. God bless and I would love to see you with another babe...🥰❤
Thank you for mentioning NFP can be used sinfully. I’ve been trying to find more info on this. I’m your same age and have 6 kids plus one early miscarriage in over 17 years. We only ‘tried’ for our first and the rest came as God planned. We were open, but not actively trying! We use the symptothermal method, but after so many years you and your spouse really learn to understand your body!
NFP is "the art of sinning in a subtle way." Casti Connubii 108. To deliberately affect infertility is grave sin per the Roman rota1944 docs.google.com/document/d/102QTjUHVmZA0BqsRLPc2exHlNzGjs20BSx5QB5RTMmA/edit?usp=drivesdk docs.google.com/document/d/102QTjUHVmZA0BqsRLPc2exHlNzGjs20BSx5QB5RTMmA/edit?usp=drivesdk
I taught the Sympto-thermal method (mucus, temp, and cervix/optional) for 15 years and used it off and on for 25 yrs. I wish we'd had the Marquette method. It would've been so much simpler and apparently just as accurate!!
Thank you for your service in putting nfp on the map as a viable option! I don’t doubt that the ‘pioneer’ methods may have been more difficult, but so thankful that there were people like yourself willing to teach and share it with others. This is why people like Ken and Janelle can now help share the Marquette method with a new generation. Thanks for your efforts and God bless 🙏
@@AnnulmentProof I can see why you feel that way. It’s a difficult road to take. A cross, really. NFP, however, does elevate the supernatural in a marriage (God); which makes the impossible, possible. Ask me how I know (20 years and counting).
Wow this was intresting. My one comment is i know i couldnt have managed more than 2 babies financially and physically and mentally I applaud you both ❤🙏
Wow, I wish this had been available years ago. The whole calendar method wasn't very good for trying to plan yes or no. I'm so glad that this is available families now to be able to arrange things without anything the church doesn't approve of
Unfortunately, for many people, the monitor gives false peaks/highs. Especially people who have thyroid issues. I’m looking forward to seeing if they can create a better monitor. The MIRA monitor seems like it could be a potential alternative - apparently studies are being done on it now to use in collaboration with Marquette. Thanks for your videos God bless you both!
That's true - but with multiple (more than 4) wrong peak readings why would someone continue to use it especially given how expensive it is? There are almost no editing capabilities (for example, editing a false peak so it doesn't 'program' the next cycles according to wrong data.) And there's no numerical data (how high is the LH and estrogen?) In contrast, the cheap LH sticks are great to use with an app so you can actually see what's going on (but then you can't track estrogen). The technology needs serious upgrades. As I said, I'm curious to see what the Mira monitor studies will look like - that also tracks progesterone. @@ashleyslack5960
Great video, thank you! 💛 On a related topic, I would be interested in a video on how to afford a large family-budgeting advice, shopping tips, etc. Although I love large families, idk that many can afford to have them.
Please pray for my son & his wife. They use artificial birth control, she does not want children, she puts her career first. It has been very painful for him. Everything she agreed to in pre Cana has gone by the wayside
Shes a human being not a horse or cow only for giving birth. She is the one who is going to create a precious life one day and care for that life forever. It’s not as simple as just HAVING a baby. She isn’t deceitful or worthless. She just isn’t ready and that’s not very Christian of you to feel any way towards her decisions. She was after all put here by God and he always knows what he’s doing. This is why I stay away from these types of channels. I’m over here dying from a debilitating an terminal illness looking for any type of comfort and I see comments like these. Almost makes me glad I’m leaving. Pray for their health and happiness. That’s all. And count your blessings.
8 pregnancies using NFP …not familiar with the Marquette Method. Always knew when I was fertile simply by the density of my discharge. 😳 Had my last one at 42
Yeah so I’m currently 27 weeks pregnant with our second child. I conceived 2 months after giving birth. So far NFP is going terrible. lol! And it was all just stupidity and lack of experience, we really thought we were being prudent with it. (I had been using the fertility monitor) Can I ask y’all if you abstained for a long stretch of time or just the standard 6 weeks?? Or did you rely on lactational amenorrhea??
Hi, congratulations on your pregnancy. I am 2 months postpartum and learning the Marquette method. Were you working with an instructor when you got pregnant? Was your cycle back yet or were you tracking using the the "artificial cycle" programmed into the monitor?
@@retrorenegade1967 I’ve never heard of the artificial cycle. I found out later the monitor said not to use it at all if you’re breastfeeding or pumping. I was pumping. So does that mean you just abstain if you can’t use the monitor? I had had one period, but my cycles were showing to be 40 days long I think, so pretty unpredictable. 🫣
As a wife and mother who doesn't use NFP I'm always confused when couples talk about NFP "working" for them. Does this mean that the method prevented children? Or that the wife came to a full understanding of her body and children were welcomed with that in mind?
We keeping our marriage BLESSED please that's holy sacraments love OUR children's in anyway happened ❤❤❤i have 7childrens fatherless they are where FATHERS gone? Very difficult POOR family i have but i imagine JESUS was sacrificing FOR US? And we're committed family and we must undergo in accordance GOD will. ❤❤ And gladly in my whole life i have a PRIEST SON. ❤❤
In periods of abstinence use it as an opportunity to grow closer to God by fasting and praying for one another offer up by suffering associated with it for each others salvation as the souls in purgatory as well as your children. Use sexual energy to lovingly serve others in ways that requires toobve your body
We like Couple to Couple League International method of Sympto-Thermal, especially as the moral / theological groundwork foundation is laid well in the first class showing the ginormous difference between the evil of contraception and the good of NFP. NFP is not politically correct, but it’s Biblically correct. I think Mary and Joseph can teach us a lot in this area of “true married” love in its more perfectly chaste state of their unique marriage. Men especially need to learn from St Joseph the Most Chaste spouse and Terror of demons.
@@AnnulmentProof where does the Church say this officially? I’ve heard some within the Church say murder (abortion) is worse than contraception. I personally think contraception is the greater evil. But I’ve not seen this officially in the CCC nor any magisterial document. Regardless, contraception and abortion are both evil. However, Natural Family Planning is not contraception. Read the papal encyclical Humanae Vitea. NFP is about working WITH God and not against God. It’s simply fertility awareness. Thus, a married couple can use NFP to get pregnant (many “infertile” couples would come to our NFP class hoping to learn something that the doctors couldn’t help them with so they could achieve pregnancy. They all did too! Praise God!). Also, for a serious reason, NFP can be used to space your blessings. Say your wife just had your third child by C-section and the doctor says your wife for her safety must not get pregnant for at least 1 year to heal up. So then during the fertile time each month (about a week to 10 days) that married couple should practice abstinence and show their love in other ways. True love waits. Analogy: fasting from chocolate is NOT the same thing as eating chocolate but then vomiting it up. Do you see the difference? Abstinence, if for a good reason, as St Paul said, is not sinful but can be a sacrificial sign of love! Joseph & Mary loved each other dearly yet they practiced abstinence their whole life. They did not sin. So, please, never say contraception is the same as NFP. It is not!!! Analogy: you want a dream house. Two options: A) work hard for 10 years then buy it, or B) rob a bank and buy the house tomorrow. Are both the same? No. There’s a right way and a wrong way. The end does not justify the means.
If children are such a blessing to a family (and they are), those who choose to have sex more often (especially during fertile periods), are loved by God more than those who choose not to have sex often?
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People think NFP doesn’t work because people who use NFP tend to have large families. Oddly enough the people who practice nfp are open to large families. Because of health issues and the approval of my priest.I use Marquette and have managed to not get pregnant for over 6 years. So yes nfp does work but it’s also a huge cross because my husband and I have to practice chastity within our marriage. I know a lady who told me that nfp is too difficult that she’d rather have kids. She’s 13 kids in .
I applaud you and your husband’s efforts. I wish I had a Spiritual Advisor to speak to regarding this topic.
In periods of abstinence use it as an opportunity to grow closer to God by fasting and praying for one another offer up by suffering associated with it for each others salvation as the souls in purgatory as well as your children. And remind each other that you love each other and use the sexual energy to lovingly serve others.
Chastity, for love of God, makes a marriage stronger. That is also a SACRED intimacy uniting you to God and to each other. Look at it as a BLESSING and not as a drudgery. You will find it brings you so much joy.
Not For Procreation = not natural.
You are such a gift to all of your listeners regardless of our age. I am 70 years old and how I wished I had your faith and perspective on family as you both share. God bless you and your precious family 🙏✝️
I love this! I have been pregnant 10 times and have 6 living children. Our last baby was born when I was 41, but I had two more pregnancies after when I was 45 and again at 47. I would have loved to have those two as well as the older two babies in our lives. More children are such a blessing to a family! I love watching how our children get along with each. Homeschool has also been a gift, and they have grown close because of it. If only everyone could see how much joy a big family can bring. Thank you for your witness to this!
I reached out to Louise almost 3 years ago after watching your first video on the Marquette method and I’ve never looked back. There is a definite peace that comes with this method for me. My husband struggles with this teaching of the church and I find it much easier but he with God’s grace supports this. I definitely love the objectivity of it as well and coupled with the science behind it helped my husband with it as well. That part of the billing’s ovulation method I also found stressful, ‘reading’ my daily symptoms correctly.
I started Marquette because of your older video a year and a half ago. I got off of birth control and because of my charting my doctor found out I needed surgery because I had a large mass on my ovary. We had a house with a ceiling that fell in and Catholic Heart came and fixed it so we could sell the house. That gave me the money to pay for the surgery. The doctor said that if I had left the mass to fester then after a year it would have become cancerous. I had so many doctors in that year of NFP telling me to go back to birth control but I refused because one Catholic doctor told me about the morality side. Anyways, your video sent me on a beautiful and painful journey so I am very grateful! God bless!
Love you two ! Thank you for being great witnesses to married love and family life !God Bless you both and your family !
Thanks for watching
Hi Ken and Janelle I really love watching You and Your beautiful Family Wow that is great you will be celebrating your 15 Anniversary God bless you all 🙏🏻✝️☮️📿🌺🌹💐❤️💜💗💙💗🍀
Thanks so much
My mom said my twin and I were accidental babies because our brother is just 10 months older than us. It might seem harsh (she always says it with a smile), but in reality, I took it as God's Providential Will. He wanted us with Him for eternity. No matter what my parents intended.
'Accident' is not in God's Vocabulary in my opinion. ❤
Thanks for sharing
Let's put it this way it wasn't planned on your parents part, and did you know half of all pregnancies are not planned, whether they use NFP or not.
Interesting enough one of the main Matrix s they used to gauge how much sex a society is having is by single mother birth, and it has been dropping. ( which that is a good thing, but it shows marital sex is declining also.
Gen Z marriages Millennial marriages are having far less sex than the baby boomers.
Obviously it wasn't planned on your parents part?
But 50% of pregnancies are not planned whether they use NFP method or something else all birth control has a failure rate.
One thing they used as a matrix for gauging how much sex people are having in marriage and in the society as a whole is single mother birth
And single mother births have been dropping precipitously what shows are couples are having less sex in marriage too. In fact a study done showed that Millennials and gen z's are having far less sex in marriage and out of marriage.
Obviously it wasn't planned on your parents part?
But 50% of pregnancies are not planned whether they use NFP method or something else all birth control has a failure rate.
One thing they used as a matrix for gauging how much sex people are having in marriage and in the society as a whole is single mother birth
And single mother births have been dropping precipitously what shows are couples are having less sex in marriage too. In fact a study done showed that Millennials and gen z's are having far less sex in marriage and out of marriage.
Obviously it wasn't planned on your parents part?
But 50% of pregnancies are not planned whether they use NFP method or something else all birth control has a failure rate.
One thing they used as a matrix for gauging how much sex people are having in marriage and in the society as a whole is single mother birth
And single mother births have been dropping precipitously what shows are couples are having less sex in marriage too. In fact a study done showed that Millennials and gen z's are having far less sex in marriage and out of marriage.
You guys are so beautiful… its a blessing to have found you.
Your morning prayer is perfect!
Thank you so much!
@@Catholicspeakerhow does "increase and multiply not conflict with nfp?
It was a blessing for our marriage also…even in the later years when fertility gets wonky. ;) You presented this topic in a beautiful way…thank you for your witness!
I’m not aware of this being teached in the uk and would love if someone created a book about this method, so everyone can have access. I’ve been practicing it on my own the last 3 yrs, self taught from bits and pieces that I’ve learn. God bless you both ❤❤
Do you follow " uniquely Mary " channel? His wife teaches this method. I have never met them in person. Meetings were online.
No I don’t follow, I will look her up. Thank you for your reply ❤
You are both super people, and parents, and I love your videos! God Bless😇
This video came at a good time
God Bless , 7 children ❤
You two are so cute...you put this all very well. Those that scoff and think because you have 7 children NFP doesn't work, don't understand the procreation with God. We did NFP way back when, our final child turned 38 in November, the charts, temps etc was tedious at times but it worked well. God bless and I would love to see you with another babe...🥰❤
Please know that this was modestly done and very beautiful and also holy! ❤️🕊️
Happy Wedding annivermany Hope you have many more.God blessings on you Both 🙏🏻 😊❤❤😊
Billings method was good ....I learned that then shared it ..,when i had my 5th ..and have to chuckle because we ended up with 9.
Thank you for mentioning NFP can be used sinfully. I’ve been trying to find more info on this. I’m your same age and have 6 kids plus one early miscarriage in over 17 years. We only ‘tried’ for our first and the rest came as God planned. We were open, but not actively trying! We use the symptothermal method, but after so many years you and your spouse really learn to understand your body!
NFP is "the art of sinning in a subtle way." Casti Connubii 108. To deliberately affect infertility is grave sin per the Roman rota1944 docs.google.com/document/d/102QTjUHVmZA0BqsRLPc2exHlNzGjs20BSx5QB5RTMmA/edit?usp=drivesdk docs.google.com/document/d/102QTjUHVmZA0BqsRLPc2exHlNzGjs20BSx5QB5RTMmA/edit?usp=drivesdk
I taught the Sympto-thermal method (mucus, temp, and cervix/optional) for 15 years and used it off and on for 25 yrs. I wish we'd had the Marquette method. It would've been so much simpler and apparently just as accurate!!
Thank you for your service in putting nfp on the map as a viable option! I don’t doubt that the ‘pioneer’ methods may have been more difficult, but so thankful that there were people like yourself willing to teach and share it with others. This is why people like Ken and Janelle can now help share the Marquette method with a new generation. Thanks for your efforts and God bless 🙏
@MS-ez1pe very thoughtful of you. I agree. Besides, it's time to pass the baton to the next generation!! Ty Ken & Jenelle!!
NFP says marriage has no natural purpose.
@@AnnulmentProof I can see why you feel that way. It’s a difficult road to take. A cross, really. NFP, however, does elevate the supernatural in a marriage (God); which makes the impossible, possible. Ask me how I know (20 years and counting).
@@MS-ez1pe not feelings...legal definition. If marriage is to not "increase and multiply," then it serves no defined natural purpose.
Wow this was intresting. My one comment is i know i couldnt have managed more than 2 babies financially and physically and mentally
I applaud you both ❤🙏
God has plenty of $. Don't get in his way
God bless you and your family! Thank you! 💜🙏🏻💜
I truly believe that no child is brought into this world without being meant to be here from God.
Wow, I wish this had been available years ago. The whole calendar method wasn't very good for trying to plan yes or no. I'm so glad that this is available families now to be able to arrange things without anything the church doesn't approve of
Unfortunately, for many people, the monitor gives false peaks/highs. Especially people who have thyroid issues. I’m looking forward to seeing if they can create a better monitor. The MIRA monitor seems like it could be a potential alternative - apparently studies are being done on it now to use in collaboration with Marquette. Thanks for your videos God bless you both!
Thanks for the feedback.
Yes but you can use cheap lh test strips to double check to not miss peak readings
That's true - but with multiple (more than 4) wrong peak readings why would someone continue to use it especially given how expensive it is? There are almost no editing capabilities (for example, editing a false peak so it doesn't 'program' the next cycles according to wrong data.) And there's no numerical data (how high is the LH and estrogen?) In contrast, the cheap LH sticks are great to use with an app so you can actually see what's going on (but then you can't track estrogen). The technology needs serious upgrades. As I said, I'm curious to see what the Mira monitor studies will look like - that also tracks progesterone. @@ashleyslack5960
7 children thats so blessings
It's beautiful faithful we follow the LORD. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Great video, thank you! 💛
On a related topic, I would be interested in a video on how to afford a large family-budgeting advice, shopping tips, etc. Although I love large families, idk that many can afford to have them.
Please pray for my son & his wife. They use artificial birth control, she does not want children, she puts her career first. It has been very painful for him. Everything she agreed to in pre Cana has gone by the wayside
O'gosh, sorry to hear this; how disappointing to be deceived in this precious area of marriage.
That's heartbreaking. 💔 I'll send up a prayer.
Thats cause for annulment. I hope she changes her ways.
Shes a human being not a horse or cow only for giving birth. She is the one who is going to create a precious life one day and care for that life forever.
It’s not as simple as just HAVING a baby. She isn’t deceitful or worthless. She just isn’t ready and that’s not very Christian of you to feel any way towards her decisions.
She was after all put here by God and he always knows what he’s doing.
This is why I stay away from these types of channels.
I’m over here dying from a debilitating an terminal illness looking for any type of comfort and I see comments like these. Almost makes me glad I’m leaving.
Pray for their health and happiness. That’s all.
And count your blessings.
@@ashleyslack5960shame on you Ashley.
8 pregnancies using NFP …not familiar with the Marquette Method.
Always knew when I was fertile simply by the density of my discharge. 😳
Had my last one at 42
I love you to thank you for your lovely teaching God 11:42 bless them🙏🙌♥️
God bless you all
10:20 side note - angels aren’t more powerful than believers indwelled by the great Lord of Hosts Himself ❤️
Yeah so I’m currently 27 weeks pregnant with our second child. I conceived 2 months after giving birth. So far NFP is going terrible. lol! And it was all just stupidity and lack of experience, we really thought we were being prudent with it.
(I had been using the fertility monitor)
Can I ask y’all if you abstained for a long stretch of time or just the standard 6 weeks?? Or did you rely on lactational amenorrhea??
Hi, congratulations on your pregnancy. I am 2 months postpartum and learning the Marquette method. Were you working with an instructor when you got pregnant? Was your cycle back yet or were you tracking using the the "artificial cycle" programmed into the monitor?
@@retrorenegade1967 I’ve never heard of the artificial cycle. I found out later the monitor said not to use it at all if you’re breastfeeding or pumping. I was pumping. So does that mean you just abstain if you can’t use the monitor? I had had one period, but my cycles were showing to be 40 days long I think, so pretty unpredictable. 🫣
As a wife and mother who doesn't use NFP I'm always confused when couples talk about NFP "working" for them. Does this mean that the method prevented children? Or that the wife came to a full understanding of her body and children were welcomed with that in mind?
I've always wanted a big family but it seems it's not for me
What does God want?
We keeping our marriage BLESSED please that's holy sacraments love OUR children's in anyway happened ❤❤❤i have 7childrens fatherless they are where FATHERS gone?
Very difficult POOR family i have but i imagine JESUS was sacrificing FOR US?
And we're committed family and we must undergo in accordance GOD will. ❤❤
And gladly in my whole life i have a PRIEST SON. ❤❤
Never in contraceptives.
In periods of abstinence use it as an opportunity to grow closer to God by fasting and praying for one another offer up by suffering associated with it for each others salvation as the souls in purgatory as well as your children. Use sexual energy to lovingly serve others in ways that requires toobve your body
Update on if NFP works? Obviously not😂
We like Couple to Couple League International method of Sympto-Thermal, especially as the moral / theological groundwork foundation is laid well in the first class showing the ginormous difference between the evil of contraception and the good of NFP.
NFP is not politically correct, but it’s Biblically correct.
I think Mary and Joseph can teach us a lot in this area of “true married” love in its more perfectly chaste state of their unique marriage. Men especially need to learn from St Joseph the Most Chaste spouse and Terror of demons.
NFP/CCL kill.
@@AnnulmentProof huh? Mind to elaborate with that crazy claim?
@@josephology3290 the church says contraception is virtually the same as murder. That's why.
@@AnnulmentProof where does the Church say this officially? I’ve heard some within the Church say murder (abortion) is worse than contraception. I personally think contraception is the greater evil. But I’ve not seen this officially in the CCC nor any magisterial document. Regardless, contraception and abortion are both evil. However, Natural Family Planning is not contraception. Read the papal encyclical Humanae Vitea. NFP is about working WITH God and not against God. It’s simply fertility awareness. Thus, a married couple can use NFP to get pregnant (many “infertile” couples would come to our NFP class hoping to learn something that the doctors couldn’t help them with so they could achieve pregnancy. They all did too! Praise God!). Also, for a serious reason, NFP can be used to space your blessings. Say your wife just had your third child by C-section and the doctor says your wife for her safety must not get pregnant for at least 1 year to heal up. So then during the fertile time each month (about a week to 10 days) that married couple should practice abstinence and show their love in other ways. True love waits. Analogy: fasting from chocolate is NOT the same thing as eating chocolate but then vomiting it up. Do you see the difference? Abstinence, if for a good reason, as St Paul said, is not sinful but can be a sacrificial sign of love! Joseph & Mary loved each other dearly yet they practiced abstinence their whole life. They did not sin. So, please, never say contraception is the same as NFP. It is not!!! Analogy: you want a dream house. Two options: A) work hard for 10 years then buy it, or B) rob a bank and buy the house tomorrow. Are both the same? No. There’s a right way and a wrong way. The end does not justify the means.
Yes, it's worth getting these questions answered. Especially since as Bill Maher states, less children will make for a cleaner planet.
Bill's statement is so sad and dangerous.
It seems to me that all contraception/NFP is equally "open to life" if it's all equally effective.
NFP is closed to life but open to "accidents."
If children are such a blessing to a family (and they are), those who choose to have sex more often (especially during fertile periods), are loved by God more than those who choose not to have sex often?
There can be no "just" reason for NFP because "increase and multiply" is not a duty. The 1930 Lambeth anglicans were the first to introduce "duty."
NFP/contraception says procreation is not the primary purpose of the conjugal act.
NFP is playing God with Providence