My local car stereo shop / former employer, tints windows and they have the box with the heat bulb in it. My old boss demonstrated this for me with my hand instead of the heat sheet. The ceramic absolutely blocks way more heat. Not just a little, WAY MORE.
In order to get accurate results, you have to do the exact same thing for both films. One the same tint has to be used; if you are using a 20% ceramic tint, and a 5% non-ceramic tint, THAT is not the same. To get accurate results you need to use either a 20% non-ceramic tint, or a 5% ceramic tint to compare apples to apples. Two you should have used 2 heat sheets. During the first test, the heat sheet is already hot, it hasn't had any time for it to cool down. If you don't wanna wait for it to cool down, you should've used two different heat sheets. With that been said your results are inaccurate
I hate to point out the obvious but the reason he chose to use a 5% tint and a 20% ceramic tint it because he was proving in the Ceramics and it was far better than the darker tint If he had compared a 20% tints to a 20% ceramic tint the difference would have been astronomical I know this because I've seen it
Ralph I liked your video, I learned from it, and I also like the feedback given by Feliz despite I didn't like the tone I see in his message. Definitely, from an engineering perspective as a mechanical engineer who studied heat transfer, as Feliz said, you should have had to wait a long time to make sure the complete test bed for the heat transfer test was cool and at the same temperature as when the test with the ceramic 20% film started, and also, I would have found it more appropriate to compare same % of light transmissibility on the tints, two 29% or two 5%. Regarding the tested bed, if you didn't have to test beds to run both at the same time, then definitely you would have had to wait and measure initially temp of the bulb, the instrument used to measure, and the box of the lamp tool (pardon not recalling the name of that black box where there is a light/heat source inside)
worst experiment ever. you didnt use the same percentage of darkness of film. Then the heat sheet was already warmed up due to running the heat lamp. You didnt allow for it cool down and retest.
The same darkness of tint thing is irrelevant because he was showing the darker tint performed WORSE. Might have a point about the cooling down of the heat lamp though...
crocodile2006 that it true using the same percentage but if you want to show your customers a test. Me personally would like to know what the same percentage would be exact differences be.
Good video! I see a lot of people complaining about the % used on the tests. I dont understand how people can't see that you used a tradition 5% and a 20% ceramic coated film. Ceramic film won with a 20%, there's no point to drop down to a 5%. 5v5, the ceramic film would've destroyed the traditional film!
Then prove it with a fair test on video. I'm not saying you are wrong but I'm pretty sure we all want to compare the same tint percentage. We all know a factory Corvette will outrun a Mustang GT but we still want to see V8 vs V8 not V8 Corvette vs V6 Mustang.
Heat doesn't come in via the windows, but via roof and other parts. Tinting actually should make it hotter according to tests. Heat has less opportunity to escape the cabin. But not a huge difference as the heat source, as said, is not primarily the window.
@@QnA22 It is the direct sunlight you want to block from coming through your windows! You do not feel the heat from the sun through your roof! Have you ever driven your car in cold weather and then the sun shines through the window onto your arm, You can clearly feel the heat! That is what makes ceramic film so good it blocks the heat from direct sunlight! So in the summer when it is hot outside the ceramic film helps keep your car cooler! They actually have ceramic film that is virtually clear that they install on your windshield!
@@NeverEnoughPyro40 OK, i can get that. But isnt themain point being that you left your car in the blaring heat outside? No tinting will help you with that. I guess your example only comes into play when your car was in a nice cool garage. Tinted could help for the 1st....30 minutes?
So question please ❓ I was also wanting to put an solar trickle charger to charge my battery on top of my dash. Will this film greatly diminish the solar panels absorption ability? Thank you for your response and this video.
Hey Ralph, my husband just bought me a 2020 Toyota Limited 4Runner. What's the BEST FILM that you would put on this vehicle? I've been enjoying and learning so much by watching your videos. Thank you. ~Hope~
I have had decades of experience as a corporate trainer, coach, and in sales. Let me tell you, making a video that moves along, keeps your interest, and educates is a lot harder than it looks! Kudos to Ralph for being good to his word. I DID learn three things I never knew, and it went a long way to my accumulation of data before I purchase film for my new home. I am in Thailand, so doubt I can use his store / website. I wish I could! He deserves the business because he is a real pro.
Import his stuff to Thailand and make a business out of cera-tinting windows 😎 you could probably offer to tint helmet windshields too if that's a thing
He would have my business if he didn’t so blatantly lie. He knows he’s deceiving people it’s disgusting. The french fry light is a joke, it produces 1/3 of the spectrum of the heat that the sun does. It is not the reality for a car outside. Ceramic film has its place in the lighter shades. However, when it comes to 20% or limousine Film, it performs maybe 2% to 5% better than a good HP series. Look at the TSER( Total Solar Energy Rejected ) that number is reality under the sun, not under a french fry light. I have around 26 years of experience and I’ve owned a business for over 23. It doesn’t mean I’m right; however, I would be happy to listen to you explain how I am wrong.
@@Zactor169 - The title of this video is "3 Things You Don't Know About Ceramic Window Film" ... and was very well presented ... because .., that is exactly what happened. My application is not car windows ... it is the windows in my house. Living close to the equator in Thailand, it gets very , very hot especially in rooms facing South and South - West. What I want to know is which type of material will reduce the heat, make it possible to still see outside easily, and not have problems later. To me, the heat lamp makes perfect sense because all I want to know is, "What is the affect on the rising sun, and when it heats up to 110' F outside ... in the SHADE ... what are you going to do about keeping my house cooler." So yes, the video taught me some factors to consider and be on the lookout for. I believe what you missed in the "French Fry Light" experiment is it does not matter if "produces 1/3 of the spectrum of the heat that the sun does" ... what matters is the RELATIVE performance of two materials tested in identical settings. One blocks HEAT better than the other ... which is my goal!
Great Video! You've told me more about tint than I wanted or needed to know. I'm not being sarcastic. It's what I like! Questions I didn't even know to ask
I have used nothing but Flexfilm. I started my business in Nov. 2018 with 4 shades of Terraflex & one shade of Nanoflex 72%. I now carry 3 lines of film for a total of 16 different choices for my customers all Flexfilm. All my customers love the quality & performance. This video clearly shows you that you can't go by the specs alone. Also, for all you haters out there this video is not comparing films, it is showing you that the specs don't show you the real performance.
The test at a quick glance makes some sense. But the thing is a car don’t sit in the sun for 12 seconds. Demonstrate the temperature after a number of minutes show case the maximum temperature difference. True a bulletproof vest may stop a bullet vs a t-shirt. But if you shoot that vest in the same spot with 60 rounds what do you think will happen? Same as a car sitting in the sun after 6-10 hrs.
Great video, since I never used ceramic tint just curious does the tint itself blocks UV/heat better the darker you go [35, 20, 5%] or that doesn’t apply with ceramic window tint,shade not relevant ? Thx
The darkness does not indicate the amount of blockage with tint. So a five percent will block the same percentage as a thirty five percent in most cases
Hi Ralf, Happy New Year! Love your videos! I feel like when the film is inserted into a heat lamp it begins to heat soak, same effect as if the vehicle parked outside in the hot sun. I believe that most difference is felt when vehicle is in motion. Also do you have any samples of flex film available?
Hello, just came across your video. I have a question. Does the film actually keep the heat out or does it just delay heat from entering? I noticed that when you did the ir light test and even if it took awhile, the heat eventually came through the nano ceramic coating.
Just slows it down. A Yeti cooler slows it down also and keeps the ice from melting over a long period of time. Thermal equilibrium always wins in the end.
@@catrashoo I'm not in the industry but looking for the best heat reduction and visibility product for my car. I want to go in armed with at least some background so this was not too long for me.
Both tests let the heat in one just took a little longer but in the end 12 sec or 4 sec its the UV you don't want getting in because most cars have aircon :)
yes but the IR product (non 3m) is a darker tint than the 3M, isn't it? So yes that will block more IR, I'd like to see the same level tint as a comparison, is that possible? Thanks!
There wouldn’t be a comparison...that’s why he compared the 20% Ceramic vs the 5% traditional. The 5% Ceramic would’ve blown the the traditional out of the water
He's over compensating the comparison. Even tho it's 5 percent the 20 percent ceramic lasted longer under the lamp. If 20 percent ceramic can beat 5 normal then obviously a 5 percent ceramic would beat it worse
You can probably jump now. We put ceramic tint on our car back in 2013, and it made a dramatic difference, has not changed color, scratched, or anything. And, it doesn't affect the cell phone and remote key fob operation like some tints that are metallic. I will never get anything but ceramic again.
is there a measurement for LOW ANGLE HAZE? Do manufacturer disclose this data? If not, how does an installer or patron determine this prior to an actual install and sunset scenario???
I have a Polaris Ranger Crew cab with a full cab. Glass all around. I want to be able to see wildlife out the windows so I don’t want it very dark but I want to keep heat out of cab. Which would you recommend would be the best film to buy from you
HI! In addition to my 9-5 I’m also a working drummer and some weeks my drums can live in my Honda Element because I have 2-3 shows/week and I just don’t want to take everything out and move them multiple times/week. I’m just looking to block heat for this circumstance and keep my car cooler for the drums. Any recommendations for this? I also have the Sun roof in the back of my element so I’d do that too. Thanks!
If your doing the back of the Element I'd just do a Ceramic at least 20% or lower and it will block out the heat and UV rays that can damage your equipment.
@@FadeToBlackLLC Thanks for the info. I ended up just buying some reflective window screens for the front and back and it made a huge difference. For the next summer I'm going to make one for the rear window moon roof.
Great video. I already just bought 3M mainly because I did not know too much except the brand. Hopefully it lasts well. Crystaline 40 percent. I thought your video was really well done. I could see the challenge of getting your film put on a car if the shop does not offer the film. I probably would not have asked them to source it or brought it in. 3M does offer a limited lifetime guarantee. Also, i agree, better IR comparison IF you used the same darkness comparison.
I have a question. What happens to the ceramic tint past the 12 seconds? Does the heat then penetrate the vehicle? I want to know what to expect when driving in a long highway where the sun is facing me directly for a length of time.
Ceramic is nothing more than a non conductive layer in the film that functions like insulation. All it will do is absorb solar energy and slow down heat from going into your car. It will not STOP heat. ONLY SLOW IT DOWN. A Styrofoam cup will keep your cold drink colder longer than a solo cup because it has more insulation. Same principle.
@ralph van Pelt. I cant find a tint company that has tested their films a year after installation to see how much UV protection they still offer. Should I just wear sunscreen instead of getting window tint if I just want to avoid UVA damage?
The haze is the deal breaker for me. My job requires me to record video and I am certain that the video is not going to be clear. Thank God I found this video before investing $450
So the only downside to ceramic may be low angle haze. There was a 12 pt difference in the IR test and a 15% difference in the light blockage. Looks to me like ceramic wins
so... if my car is in the sun for longer than 12 seconds there is no difference? the difference is an 8 second delay for ultimately the same amount of heat transmission?? I'm thinkin" that when you come back to your car after the beach it will still be just as hot in your car.
Not sure what the meter thing is lying down flat on the table, BUT visible light is different from IR. I don't think cops are testing for how much IR energy is transmitting through, they care about how much visible light can transmit through (how visible it is).
Here is a response I made to a similar comment to this video. I will just copy and paste it... I appreciate you looking into this heat sheet situation but you are really missing the point here. Carbon film and carbon ceramic film will both block out solar energy and have similar specs but only one of these films will insulate you from heat or slow heat down. The reason for this is one film has a non conductive layer and the other does not. The heat sheet is the only way to demonstrate this by video. If you put your hand in front of the film on the heatbox you will feel the insulation (ceramic) slowing down the heat in the ceramic film but will not feel it slowing down in the carbon film even though it has similar IR specs. There is a reason for this... this should be the focus for the video. Not the heat sheet temperature. The fundamental problem in our industry with ceramic a.k.a heat insulation is that there is no way to express the heat insulation value with a number. There is also no standard in which to measure it for comparison purposes. I can give you an example... If I show you my 2024 corvette and you ask me how much horse power does it have? I can answer with 495 hp. Horsepower is a universal standard to measure HP and 495 is a number in which it can be expressed. But, what if you asked me, How good is the suspension?", and my anser was 4. We have a problem here. Can you see it yet? Let's go back to film. What of you asked me how powerful is my ceramic film and I said it blocks out 93% of the Infared Radiation. IR is solar energy. We know 100% of it originates from the sun. We know the film will absorb or reflect a portion it and allow only a certain percentage through the glass and this can be expressed by a number. But........ what if you ask me how well does my ceramic slow down heat? What if I told you it was a 4. We have a problem here. We can't express how well the film slows down heat with out ceramic (heat insulation) because we have no standard to go by and we also can't use a number to explain it. This is the fundamental problem that my video is trying to explain. This video has nothing to do with allowing the heat sheet to cool down or using two heat sheets. One film has heat insulation which is a non conductive layer Tungsten Oxide mixed into the hardcoat that insulates you from the HEAT and Slows it down and the other does not have a Tungsten Oxide infused hardcoat and lets heat come through by absorbing solar energy and converting it into heat and allowing it to rapidly radiate to the other side of the glass where the heat sheet is... if you could just put your damn hand in front of the glass with the films on it and the heatbox on the other side, you would clearly FEEL the difference and we would not be having this heat sheet discussion. Please, for the love of God put your hand in front of film with this heat insulation and then put it in front of other film without it and see for yourself. Screw the heatsheet... your hand will not lie. Solar energy and heat are similar because both are energy but clearly different forms of energy that have different effects on how we feel in a car or with our hand in front of a heatbox. And also how they can damage shit. Hope this helps. I hope I did not make too many mistakes because I did not proof read this. Also, I am not trying to be mean or disrespectful in any way. I am just passionate and CONFIDENT in what I know. This information is not my opinion. This is fact. I promise you do not want to do a live video on this topic. It will not turn out to show ANY film without heat insulation with similar IR numbers slowing down heat equal to film with heat insulation slowing down heat. I promise... Thank you for the heat sheet challenge. I hope this helps. 🙏 One last word... the two films I used in the video are my products. I manufacture them and distribute them. These products are NOT competitor products. One of my products will NOT slow down heat and one will because of heat insulation in the film. I really have no reason to be bias. I am just trying to explain how films perform with heat insulation vs no heat insulation with similar specs
Ceramic films are good. They block a lot of heat but I use Wincos, an IR film, and I haven't found a ceramic that blocks more heat than Wincos does. I use a similar heat box to test different films and so far nothing outperforms Wincos. I've put it up against Huper Optik, Llumar Pinnacle, Avery Dennison Nano Ceramic, and so far it edges them all out under a heat lamp. Beyond that the optical clarity on an extruded film like Wincos is superior to ceramics, it's easier to heat shrink, it dries in about 1 day, and if you ever need to remove Wincos it peels off clean with no glue. It's by far the best tint I've ever used and what I can't figure out is why I still have customers calling me asking for ceramic. At this point its nearly a 20 year old technology (Huper Optik 2001) and IR films, at least Wincos, is clearly better in every way. Every film rep that walks through my door has had their products bested under the heat lamp when compared to Wincos. That's my personal experience. If there is something better out there let me know because if there is I want to sell that instead.
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UnknownUser I’ve reached out to Ralph and we’ll see what my testing shows if he sends me a sample. I’m skeptical because published performance data doesn’t match the results Ralph is getting. I’m not a TH-camr but I have a heat lamp and a BTU meter and I’ll make my own video comparison and then we’ll see. If Ralph is right then I’m on board. I’ll sell and install the shit out of Flexfilm, but if I get a different result I’ll make just as much noise.
Um, wasn't the heat sheet already hot when he put the non-ceramic tint sheet in and turned on the light? Seemed like he hurried up to get them swapped.
Ceramic films block more IR the darker they are from the tested number, also on your heat sheet measurement, you did not allow time for the area/bulb/heat-sheet to cool down skewing the results by a bit.
To be fair , regardless of both tints . The inside of the car will attract heat. Its only 9-10 seconds of a difference, besides the practicality of seeing at night with a 5% than a lighter tint. Insulation in the car will make a big difference to keep in the cool or hot temperature inside from the outside. Use a house as a example
You explain it in funny detail the darker the shade the hotter it gets if that makes any sense the window become so hot because of the dark color just soaks up the heat so I'm not sure if it's really working or not it's supposed to deflect the heat like put something just on the outside of the window pretty much anything at all preferably a piece of black cardboard if it's plastic cardboard it's even better just that little space of air between the window will block about 90% of the heat you can do it by putting your hand on it if you put a piece of that inside the window that shipping package material with the little air pockets with the little aluminum on it
Is ceramic dark like carbon or regular film? I heard ceramic can be light cause its job is to block out heat not to give a car that dark look. For example if ceramic is 15% it looks ime its 25-35%
@@FlexFilmPlus I guess a better question for me to have asked is it slows down the heat absorption for how long?? Because...(to answer your question) if your coffee thermos sat in your car (or the refrigerator) while you are at work all day then it wouldn't matter if it has insulation at all.
My local car stereo shop / former employer, tints windows and they have the box with the heat bulb in it. My old boss demonstrated this for me with my hand instead of the heat sheet. The ceramic absolutely blocks way more heat. Not just a little, WAY MORE.
In order to get accurate results, you have to do the exact same thing for both films. One the same tint has to be used; if you are using a 20% ceramic tint, and a 5% non-ceramic tint, THAT is not the same. To get accurate results you need to use either a 20% non-ceramic tint, or a 5% ceramic tint to compare apples to apples. Two you should have used 2 heat sheets. During the first test, the heat sheet is already hot, it hasn't had any time for it to cool down. If you don't wanna wait for it to cool down, you should've used two different heat sheets. With that been said your results are inaccurate
Show me a link to your video that proves your theory. I would like to see it.
I hate to point out the obvious but the reason he chose to use a 5% tint and a 20% ceramic tint it because he was proving in the Ceramics and it was far better than the darker tint
If he had compared a 20% tints to a 20% ceramic tint the difference would have been astronomical I know this because I've seen it
Apologies for my spelling errors
Ralph I liked your video, I learned from it, and I also like the feedback given by Feliz despite I didn't like the tone I see in his message. Definitely, from an engineering perspective as a mechanical engineer who studied heat transfer, as Feliz said, you should have had to wait a long time to make sure the complete test bed for the heat transfer test was cool and at the same temperature as when the test with the ceramic 20% film started, and also, I would have found it more appropriate to compare same % of light transmissibility on the tints, two 29% or two 5%. Regarding the tested bed, if you didn't have to test beds to run both at the same time, then definitely you would have had to wait and measure initially temp of the bulb, the instrument used to measure, and the box of the lamp tool (pardon not recalling the name of that black box where there is a light/heat source inside)
Inaccurate yet still correct at the same time lol
worst experiment ever. you didnt use the same percentage of darkness of film. Then the heat sheet was already warmed up due to running the heat lamp. You didnt allow for it cool down and retest.
The same darkness of tint thing is irrelevant because he was showing the darker tint performed WORSE.
Might have a point about the cooling down of the heat lamp though...
crocodile2006 that it true using the same percentage but if you want to show your customers a test. Me personally would like to know what the same percentage would be exact differences be.
There was no control test, he needs a temp gun on the plate to tell when it has reached ambient temp.
Dude if you put ceramic between you and hear there is little heat on you. If you use regular film you will feel almost all the heat.
marcjtdc ok your point is? yeah that may be true but I'm just replying to a half ass controlled test that it.
Good video! I see a lot of people complaining about the % used on the tests. I dont understand how people can't see that you used a tradition 5% and a 20% ceramic coated film. Ceramic film won with a 20%, there's no point to drop down to a 5%. 5v5, the ceramic film would've destroyed the traditional film!
Then prove it with a fair test on video. I'm not saying you are wrong but I'm pretty sure we all want to compare the same tint percentage. We all know a factory Corvette will outrun a Mustang GT but we still want to see V8 vs V8 not V8 Corvette vs V6 Mustang.
Bet you don't even own a car.@@ryanfrench11B68W
@@ryanfrench11B68W very smart lmao 20% already won, 5% vs 5% win even more..
Great video, great explanations! Thank you for breaking this down!
I got ceramic film on my car. Works really good in my opinion 👍 car isn't like an oven anymore in the summers
Heat doesn't come in via the windows, but via roof and other parts. Tinting actually should make it hotter according to tests. Heat has less opportunity to escape the cabin. But not a huge difference as the heat source, as said, is not primarily the window.
@@QnA22 It is the direct sunlight you want to block from coming through your windows! You do not feel the heat from the sun through your roof! Have you ever driven your car in cold weather and then the sun shines through the window onto your arm, You can clearly feel the heat! That is what makes ceramic film so good it blocks the heat from direct sunlight! So in the summer when it is hot outside the ceramic film helps keep your car cooler! They actually have ceramic film that is virtually clear that they install on your windshield!
@@NeverEnoughPyro40 OK, i can get that. But isnt themain point being that you left your car in the blaring heat outside? No tinting will help you with that. I guess your example only comes into play when your car was in a nice cool garage. Tinted could help for the 1st....30 minutes?
@@QnA22 naw, just try putting car in the direct sun with and without it...huge diff!!
@@QnA22 🤣🤣🤡🤡
Hi Ralph, may I know what technology or material is the IR Film? Thank you very much
Very informative. Great breakdown and comparisons. Now to find an installer.
super educational! thanks for making and sharing this!!
Very informative. How does Llumar Air 80 do as far as low angle haze? Thanks!
Can I use both sides of the ceramic film facing heat source?
Very informative and honest. Thank you for making and sharing this video.
I believe any white man , except for fkg D. Trump 😎
Great information. I am having my camper windows done & this helped a lot.
So question please ❓ I was also wanting to put an solar trickle charger to charge my battery on top of my dash. Will this film greatly diminish the solar panels absorption ability? Thank you for your response and this video.
Really great video!! Well done 👏
Hey Ralph, my husband just bought me a 2020 Toyota Limited 4Runner. What's the BEST FILM that you would put on this vehicle? I've been enjoying and learning so much by watching your videos. Thank you. ~Hope~
There is something wrong with the test. The sensor already absorbed heat from the first sample. Hence the shorter reaction from the second sample 😁
Read my mind
Yep should have waited until everything came back to room temperature
You have no idea how long the sensor holds on to heat, to be fair.
Great video, very informative, thank you.
not much scientific data, just his opinions
Thx!
low angle haze?
will it fade?
how long will it last?
is it carbon?
I have had decades of experience as a corporate trainer, coach, and in sales. Let me tell you, making a video that moves along, keeps your interest, and educates is a lot harder than it looks! Kudos to Ralph for being good to his word. I DID learn three things I never knew, and it went a long way to my accumulation of data before I purchase film for my new home. I am in Thailand, so doubt I can use his store / website. I wish I could! He deserves the business because he is a real pro.
Import his stuff to Thailand and make a business out of cera-tinting windows 😎 you could probably offer to tint helmet windshields too if that's a thing
He would have my business if he didn’t so blatantly lie. He knows he’s deceiving people it’s disgusting. The french fry light is a joke, it produces 1/3 of the spectrum of the heat that the sun does. It is not the reality for a car outside. Ceramic film has its place in the lighter shades. However, when it comes to 20% or limousine Film, it performs maybe 2% to 5% better than a good HP series. Look at the TSER( Total Solar Energy Rejected ) that number is reality under the sun, not under a french fry light. I have around 26 years of experience and I’ve owned a business for over 23. It doesn’t mean I’m right; however, I would be happy to listen to you explain how I am wrong.
@@Zactor169 - The title of this video is "3 Things You Don't Know About Ceramic Window Film" ... and was very well presented ... because .., that is exactly what happened. My application is not car windows ... it is the windows in my house. Living close to the equator in Thailand, it gets very , very hot especially in rooms facing South and South - West. What I want to know is which type of material will reduce the heat, make it possible to still see outside easily, and not have problems later. To me, the heat lamp makes perfect sense because all I want to know is, "What is the affect on the rising sun, and when it heats up to 110' F outside ... in the SHADE ... what are you going to do about keeping my house cooler." So yes, the video taught me some factors to consider and be on the lookout for. I believe what you missed in the "French Fry Light" experiment is it does not matter if "produces 1/3 of the spectrum of the heat that the sun does" ... what matters is the RELATIVE performance of two materials tested in identical settings. One blocks HEAT better than the other ... which is my goal!
Great Video! You've told me more about tint than I wanted or needed to know. I'm not being sarcastic. It's what I like! Questions I didn't even know to ask
Can I buy Flexfilm from Canada? Would love to use your products!
Hey buddy thanks 🙏 the lesson was understandable
Excellent advice. Thank you
What a salesman....GREAT !
I have used nothing but Flexfilm. I started my business in Nov. 2018 with 4 shades of Terraflex & one shade of Nanoflex 72%. I now carry 3 lines of film for a total of 16 different choices for my customers all Flexfilm.
All my customers love the quality & performance. This video clearly shows you that you can't go by the specs alone. Also, for all you haters out there this video is not comparing films, it is showing you that the specs don't show you the real performance.
The test at a quick glance makes some sense. But the thing is a car don’t sit in the sun for 12 seconds. Demonstrate the temperature after a number of minutes show case the maximum temperature difference. True a bulletproof vest may stop a bullet vs a t-shirt. But if you shoot that vest in the same spot with 60 rounds what do you think will happen? Same as a car sitting in the sun after 6-10 hrs.
Does the ceramic block any UV? A product that blocks heat and UV would protect you and your interior.
very helpful. Thank you
Expert breakdown weighing all the variables
Love it good work
Great video, since I never used ceramic tint just curious does the tint itself blocks UV/heat better the darker you go [35, 20, 5%] or that doesn’t apply with ceramic window tint,shade not relevant ?
Thx
No matter what shade you get of ceramic it’s blocks the the same
The darkness does not indicate the amount of blockage with tint. So a five percent will block the same percentage as a thirty five percent in most cases
What a great detailed video . Thanks.
Best place I have ever been to get my windows tinted
What is the best ceramic film with the lowest cloud look alike?
Hey Ralph. Do you sell pre cut tint and ship it?
Ralph again a great video to help us professional support our efforts out here in the field and in our shops.
Hi Ralf, Happy New Year! Love your videos! I feel like when the film is inserted into a heat lamp it begins to heat soak, same effect as if the vehicle parked outside in the hot sun.
I believe that most difference is felt when vehicle is in motion.
Also do you have any samples of flex film available?
Yes. We do have samples. You can find them on our website. Www.flexfilmstore.com
Hello, just came across your video. I have a question. Does the film actually keep the heat out or does it just delay heat from entering? I noticed that when you did the ir light test and even if it took awhile, the heat eventually came through the nano ceramic coating.
Just slows it down. A Yeti cooler slows it down also and keeps the ice from melting over a long period of time. Thermal equilibrium always wins in the end.
How to determine which one is ceramic
Correct me if im wrong at beginning of film the banner stated both films were 20% then the meter test u have a 20% and a 5% IR what changed
Your absolutely correct
Wow this is a great informal video
Great research !
Where are you located at? I have a camper so I will be traveling, I'd like to get tinted
if you compare things please do an apple to apple with a same percentage, because i need to know which is the better
I'm curious, how does most factory tinting perform because its built into the glass. I'm guessing not well. Thanks
Most factory tint does not add any significant performance value to glass. Usually is just for cosmetic reasons like glare reduction and privacy.
Can you use car ceramic film on home window Films? I was told no but never got a reason to as why we can't?
Not really. Absorbs too much heat. May damage glass or bust seals.
have you tried V-Kool tint products?
this video should have been 3 mins long to the max
Thank you, I was thinking the same thing
He went over 10 minutes to tell us the truth 🤔
@@catrashoo I'm not in the industry but looking for the best heat reduction and visibility product for my car. I want to go in armed with at least some background so this was not too long for me.
Fantastic idea. BUT! .What's the flip side to this coin? How safe is this product to our environment when disposing?
Second test,can you test the ceramic film FIRST(since the light will not be HOT yet) is this make sense,just to have a fare test.
Both tests let the heat in one just took a little longer but in the end 12 sec or 4 sec its the UV you don't want getting in because most cars have aircon :)
yes but the IR product (non 3m) is a darker tint than the 3M, isn't it? So yes that will block more IR, I'd like to see the same level tint as a comparison, is that possible? Thanks!
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Totally agree with you man.
There wouldn’t be a comparison...that’s why he compared the 20% Ceramic vs the 5% traditional.
The 5% Ceramic would’ve blown the the traditional out of the water
He's over compensating the comparison. Even tho it's 5 percent the 20 percent ceramic lasted longer under the lamp. If 20 percent ceramic can beat 5 normal then obviously a 5 percent ceramic would beat it worse
i agree, how can you say the 5% film is better? the fk kind of test is this?
I agree with the wait and see (approach) what happen in 5 years with the ceramic before jumping on the bandwagon.
You can probably jump now. We put ceramic tint on our car back in 2013, and it made a dramatic difference, has not changed color, scratched, or anything. And, it doesn't affect the cell phone and remote key fob operation like some tints that are metallic. I will never get anything but ceramic again.
What are the top five best films that you can suggest and is LLUMAR a good one and that's for ceramic
Nanoflex
Xpel XR Prime plus
Formula one stratus
Crystalline
Huper optik Drae
is there a measurement for LOW ANGLE HAZE? Do manufacturer disclose this data? If not, how does an installer or patron determine this prior to an actual install and sunset scenario???
Put it on a window and look at it in the sun. If it looks too bad, send film back and buy from another source.
Low angle haze got me, ill take the regular film.
Thanks
Awesome info. I'm glad you promoted your ceramic lines, finally.
I use llumar ctx and wincos ir and offer a lifetime warranty on the film and the install
You are 100% accurate
Tint window laws is one thing, we should worry about.
Can someone help me they're charging me 350 for the front windshield and I asked another spot and they're charging 150 both are ceramic tint
I have a Polaris Ranger Crew cab with a full cab. Glass all around. I want to be able to see wildlife out the windows so I don’t want it very dark but I want to keep heat out of cab. Which would you recommend would be the best film to buy from you
Nanoflex. Any shade you are comfortable with. The performance of the film is great in the light shades.
flexfilmstore.com/products/nanoflex-full-kit
HI! In addition to my 9-5 I’m also a working drummer and some weeks my drums can live in my Honda Element because I have 2-3 shows/week and I just don’t want to take everything out and move them multiple times/week.
I’m just looking to block heat for this circumstance and keep my car cooler for the drums. Any recommendations for this?
I also have the Sun roof in the back of my element so I’d do that too.
Thanks!
If your doing the back of the Element I'd just do a Ceramic at least 20% or lower and it will block out the heat and UV rays that can damage your equipment.
@@FadeToBlackLLC Thanks for the info. I ended up just buying some reflective window screens for the front and back and it made a huge difference. For the next summer I'm going to make one for the rear window moon roof.
I cant with this guy 😂😂😂
Miami distributors/installers?
I need your product on my car, please take my money!!!!!
Great video. I already just bought 3M mainly because I did not know too much except the brand. Hopefully it lasts well. Crystaline 40 percent. I thought your video was really well done. I could see the challenge of getting your film put on a car if the shop does not offer the film. I probably would not have asked them to source it or brought it in. 3M does offer a limited lifetime guarantee. Also, i agree, better IR comparison IF you used the same darkness comparison.
I have a question.
What happens to the ceramic tint past the 12 seconds? Does the heat then penetrate the vehicle? I want to know what to expect when driving in a long highway where the sun is facing me directly for a length of time.
Ceramic is nothing more than a non conductive layer in the film that functions like insulation. All it will do is absorb solar energy and slow down heat from going into your car. It will not STOP heat. ONLY SLOW IT DOWN. A Styrofoam cup will keep your cold drink colder longer than a solo cup because it has more insulation. Same principle.
Ralph.
Do you have a distributor in europe.
Marinus Dekker
We currently only have distribution in the USA.
@ralph van Pelt. I cant find a tint company that has tested their films a year after installation to see how much UV protection they still offer. Should I just wear sunscreen instead of getting window tint if I just want to avoid UVA damage?
Maybe??? th-cam.com/video/PEGEfguqjzE/w-d-xo.html
Get both man. Where do you live? Get as dark as legally possible imo. Films supposedly fade 1% each year
The haze is the deal breaker for me. My job requires me to record video and I am certain that the video is not going to be clear. Thank God I found this video before investing $450
Yes I agree the one is darker than the other 😂
Your so cute lol
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Thirsty
Can u import flexfilm?
So the only downside to ceramic may be low angle haze. There was a 12 pt difference in the IR test and a 15% difference in the light blockage. Looks to me like ceramic wins
so... if my car is in the sun for longer than 12 seconds there is no difference? the difference is an 8 second delay for ultimately the same amount of heat transmission?? I'm thinkin" that when you come back to your car after the beach it will still be just as hot in your car.
Ambient temp. inside the vehicle will not be significantly lower. It may lower the temp. by 3-5 degrees F. that's about it.
By far the best video on this subject. Thank you for sharing sir!
Not sure what the meter thing is lying down flat on the table, BUT visible light is different from IR. I don't think cops are testing for how much IR energy is transmitting through, they care about how much visible light can transmit through (how visible it is).
Wasn't the heat shield still hot from the 1st test? Reverse the order and see.
Here is a response I made to a similar comment to this video. I will just copy and paste it...
I appreciate you looking into this heat sheet situation but you are really missing the point here. Carbon film and carbon ceramic film will both block out solar energy and have similar specs but only one of these films will insulate you from heat or slow heat down. The reason for this is one film has a non conductive layer and the other does not. The heat sheet is the only way to demonstrate this by video. If you put your hand in front of the film on the heatbox you will feel the insulation (ceramic) slowing down the heat in the ceramic film but will not feel it slowing down in the carbon film even though it has similar IR specs.
There is a reason for this... this should be the focus for the video. Not the heat sheet temperature. The fundamental problem in our industry with ceramic a.k.a heat insulation is that there is no way to express the heat insulation value with a number. There is also no standard in which to measure it for comparison purposes. I can give you an example... If I show you my 2024 corvette and you ask me how much horse power does it have? I can answer with 495 hp. Horsepower is a universal standard to measure HP and 495 is a number in which it can be expressed. But, what if you asked me, How good is the suspension?", and my anser was 4. We have a problem here. Can you see it yet?
Let's go back to film. What of you asked me how powerful is my ceramic film and I said it blocks out 93% of the Infared Radiation. IR is solar energy. We know 100% of it originates from the sun. We know the film will absorb or reflect a portion it and allow only a certain percentage through the glass and this can be expressed by a number.
But........ what if you ask me how well does my ceramic slow down heat? What if I told you it was a 4. We have a problem here. We can't express how well the film slows down heat with out ceramic (heat insulation) because we have no standard to go by and we also can't use a number to explain it. This is the fundamental problem that my video is trying to explain. This video has nothing to do with allowing the heat sheet to cool down or using two heat sheets. One film has heat insulation which is a non conductive layer Tungsten Oxide mixed into the hardcoat that insulates you from the HEAT and Slows it down and the other does not have a Tungsten Oxide infused hardcoat and lets heat come through by absorbing solar energy and converting it into heat and allowing it to rapidly radiate to the other side of the glass where the heat sheet is... if you could just put your damn hand in front of the glass with the films on it and the heatbox on the other side, you would clearly FEEL the difference and we would not be having this heat sheet discussion. Please, for the love of God put your hand in front of film with this heat insulation and then put it in front of other film without it and see for yourself. Screw the heatsheet... your hand will not lie.
Solar energy and heat are similar because both are energy but clearly different forms of energy that have different effects on how we feel in a car or with our hand in front of a heatbox. And also how they can damage shit. Hope this helps. I hope I did not make too many mistakes because I did not proof read this. Also, I am not trying to be mean or disrespectful in any way. I am just passionate and CONFIDENT in what I know. This information is not my opinion. This is fact. I promise you do not want to do a live video on this topic. It will not turn out to show ANY film without heat insulation with similar IR numbers slowing down heat equal to film with heat insulation slowing down heat. I promise... Thank you for the heat sheet challenge. I hope this helps. 🙏
One last word... the two films I used in the video are my products. I manufacture them and distribute them. These products are NOT competitor products. One of my products will NOT slow down heat and one will because of heat insulation in the film. I really have no reason to be bias. I am just trying to explain how films perform with heat insulation vs no heat insulation with similar specs
Ceramic films are good. They block a lot of heat but I use Wincos, an IR film, and I haven't found a ceramic that blocks more heat than Wincos does. I use a similar heat box to test different films and so far nothing outperforms Wincos. I've put it up against Huper Optik, Llumar Pinnacle, Avery Dennison Nano Ceramic, and so far it edges them all out under a heat lamp. Beyond that the optical clarity on an extruded film like Wincos is superior to ceramics, it's easier to heat shrink, it dries in about 1 day, and if you ever need to remove Wincos it peels off clean with no glue. It's by far the best tint I've ever used and what I can't figure out is why I still have customers calling me asking for ceramic. At this point its nearly a 20 year old technology (Huper Optik 2001) and IR films, at least Wincos, is clearly better in every way. Every film rep that walks through my door has had their products bested under the heat lamp when compared to Wincos. That's my personal experience. If there is something better out there let me know because if there is I want to sell that instead.
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UnknownUser I’ve reached out to Ralph and we’ll see what my testing shows if he sends me a sample. I’m skeptical because published performance data doesn’t match the results Ralph is getting. I’m not a TH-camr but I have a heat lamp and a BTU meter and I’ll make my own video comparison and then we’ll see. If Ralph is right then I’m on board. I’ll sell and install the shit out of Flexfilm, but if I get a different result I’ll make just as much noise.
Mark Porter where do I order Winco Film? Seems you can't order from them you gotta find a distributor
Sami Sami gotta order from Madico
Silly question. If vehicle sits in Sun for hours… the heat gets through regardless of which product right?
Yes. You can only slow down heat. You can't stop it. Look up thermal equilibrium.
What is the advantage/disadvantage between nano ceramic tint and ceramic tint?
They are the same. It is like asking... what is the difference between a beeper and a pager?
@@FlexFilmPlus ur an idiot!
Ralph Van Pelt. He's from Holland. Where your family from in The Netherlands?
Um, wasn't the heat sheet already hot when he put the non-ceramic tint sheet in and turned on the light? Seemed like he hurried up to get them swapped.
Ceramic films block more IR the darker they are from the tested number, also on your heat sheet measurement, you did not allow time for the area/bulb/heat-sheet to cool down skewing the results by a bit.
To be fair , regardless of both tints . The inside of the car will attract heat. Its only 9-10 seconds of a difference, besides the practicality of seeing at night with a 5% than a lighter tint. Insulation in the car will make a big difference to keep in the cool or hot temperature inside from the outside. Use a house as a example
A better test would be using a thermometer or btu meter.
So what was the conclusion?
You explain it in funny detail the darker the shade the hotter it gets if that makes any sense the window become so hot because of the dark color just soaks up the heat so I'm not sure if it's really working or not it's supposed to deflect the heat like put something just on the outside of the window pretty much anything at all preferably a piece of black cardboard if it's plastic cardboard it's even better just that little space of air between the window will block about 90% of the heat you can do it by putting your hand on it if you put a piece of that inside the window that shipping package material with the little air pockets with the little aluminum on it
Is ceramic dark like carbon or regular film? I heard ceramic can be light cause its job is to block out heat not to give a car that dark look. For example if ceramic is 15% it looks ime its 25-35%
Our film looks dark. If it is 15%, it looks like 15%.
Does ceramic tint interfere with the radio antenna reception?
No.
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Thank me later.
No
@@blackice7408 I said "thank me later". Now, thank me now.
@@Eric-rr4ee ok
@@Eric-rr4ee but can i have a cookie first
@@blackice7408 Sure. Here's a internet cookie. 🍪
Is SolarFree window film good?
They are really nice people. They have the ability to sell quality film as well as economy film. Just know which one you are buying.
The real benefit is that you and your passengers don’t get cooked by direct sunlight. But heat rejection only works until the glass heat soaks.
hey I want ligh
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Awesome video :)
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Hilarious troll video sir, kudos
So if your car sits outside for more than 10 seconds, what does it matter if it has the ceramic coating or not for heat absorption??
Because it slows down thermal equilibrium. Would you take the insulation out of your coffee thermos?
@@FlexFilmPlus I guess a better question for me to have asked is it slows down the heat absorption for how long?? Because...(to answer your question) if your coffee thermos sat in your car (or the refrigerator) while you are at work all day then it wouldn't matter if it has insulation at all.
Why not test both on 5%??
Why are you quoting ir rejection when your meter reads uv. They are at opposite ends of the spectrum
It reads IR too.