An Honest Conversation About ESPN, Rachel Nichols & Maria Taylor | Jemele Hill, Amin Elhassan
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Jemele Hill joins Dan Le Batard, Stugotz and Amin Elhassan to discuss Rachel Nichols' comments about Maria Taylor, NBA Countdown and the larger role ESPN plays in all of this.
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Kenny Smith: “why dont you go work for ESPN?”
Charles Barkley: “nah they not going to work me like a dog and not pay me. They going have me on ESPN 1, 2, 3, News and Deportes. Im going to be on Deportes saying “Muy Bien Gracias”. 😂😂
Barkley knows 😂😂 They got SAS working like a dog
@@emment.2702 making SAS earn his money since he’s the highest paid on air personality at espn
@@JDH727 yeah charles will make his 2-4 mil and work part-time and SAS didn't make NBA money so the brotha is taking advantage of all opportunities lol
kenny smith is also the same guy who said black people cant be racist on live tv in defense of montrez harrell's racist words against luca doncic.
"work me like a dog and come up with that puny check" LOL
Tbh if we talking about most deserving, EJ and the TNT crew should get the finals. They’re head and shoulders better than anything espn put together. But in the end it’s all “territory” & money.
That would work but ABC /ESPN has the TV rights.. thats the only reason why they can't do that
@@Fernandezfox05 except nothing beats Mike Breen in the finals. Baaaanggggg
@@eltennis what🤔
Imagine TNT crew Pre and Post game with Breen, JVG, Mark Jack commentating... A1 show
@@cmreviews213 yeah especially with Marv Albert retiring. I don't mind Kevin Harlan but it's nothing like Breen, JVG, and Mark Jackson
ESPN is like MTV. Something that was cool in the 90's, but is a total joke today.
Wow totally correct wow
Except they still run sports.
@@biggary9602 True !
Exactly!
Mtv in the 90s was way better than Espn at it's peak whenever that was
"Transparency is something you can demand when shame belongs to others."
Dan nailed that.
@@davidgonzalezgarzaNah ... Cowherd's a racist prick. Dan has far more nuanced. He's given strong loud independent women a voice. That includes Jamele, Fagan, Spain, and Kimes. Dan walks the talk.
@@piteusx8440 Not really, you're just a Dan stan and not a Cowherd stan. That's why one is "racist" and one "walks the talk".
this is most people tbh
@@davidgonzalezgarza Except Dan started his own company which is not at all like signing with FS1, and all the brunettes were already under contract with ESPN still
@@davidgonzalezgarza OK changing-subject guy - but "mostly" seems to be your vague assumption (based on all that insider knowledge you personally have of the inner workings of ESPN) that doesn't include "all" ("all" the issues, but "mostly" under -- why not "most" of the issues "all" under?) and his 5 years as president ended 4 years ago... so "mostly" is most likely your own personal hyperbole. Great work -- as always. These things we are talking about, although products of systemic issues, happened last year, and it's probably all Norby's fault. Also, it's well documented (Meadowlark is like a living document) that Skip's attempt to change the culture at ESPN didn't exactly go smoothly because of the same reactionary culture these guys and Rachel were/are talking about, I'm guessing it would have something to do with the myriad management structure that happens to be more than one guy. Not that I need to defend anyone - I don't know the guy, and neither do you. So, neither one of us knows what we're talking about, and only one of us pretending to.
I love how Dan doesn't try to hijack the conversation, but just lets the people who know the most about a subject speak their minds.
That's because he doesn't want to be the next fired. He knows it's best to not say a damn thing.
@@stickman1742 you know Dan doesn’t work at ESPN anymore, right?
@@Stewie-A-Simpson you are absolutely right…..Dan got the hell outta there and had his own sports content company
Yep. He’s one of the very very very few out there who openly admits when he’s not informed.
@@newrecruit100 I think on this topic he's like, "I'm not black, and I'm not a woman, so I'm just gonna sit this one out."
This is why Dan is one of the best in the biz.
He lets his guests talk.
Best thing that ever happened to Dan was getting the fuck away from ESPN. I can't wait to see this channel in a few years, it's gonna be crazy.
Yeah gotta appreciate the times today so many ways to do it on your own now it's amazing
It's either gonna be amazing or be dead...I can't imagine much middle road
And trashed them on the way out. I love Dan!
His channel is going to be an echo chamber filled to the brim of fart huffing self proclaimed intellectuals.
@@CmdrElect hey everybody has sum kinda audience just imagine what ESPN's is mostly filled with these days lol I reckon your on the straight narrow and not a fan of neither ?
"They want black faces but not black voices." - Jemele Hill, 13:08
Perfect.
That’s been the case
Man that's on point!!!
ESPN allowed Stephen A Smith, Jemele Hill, Michael Wilbon, Maria Taylor, Keyshawn Johnson, Jay Williams, Dominique Foxworth, Damian Woody, Kendrick Perkins, & Jalen Rose's black voices to be heard. Jemele Hill is just bitter because her woke ass got hired because she had low ratings. She had her own show now she wants to complain.
NO , people want sports, not politics
@@chiefs816kc
ESPN pushed Jemel Hill out. What's your point?
This was so refreshing compared to reading Twitter reactions
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Fact
Damn...you still subject yourself to twitter and other social media reactions?
-that crap will rot your brain and make you loose faith in HUMANITY!
@@marx41mans I still use it as a pulse check. Like, if Clay Travis or one of the Fox talking heads presents a view, I automatically become skeptical of said view and have to research more to understand why they're wrong.
I have been searching for an honest discussion of this issue for days. Thank you Dan.
Not with Amin there
@@jaahnnn None of them got fired? They all left on their own. Dan just did shows with ESPN talent, something they took away from them initially. Where is the bias?
@@jaahnnn none of them where fired
@@jaahnnn no, they weren't. The only person on this entire show (including Jemele and Amin) that was fired was Chris Cote. Everybody else either quit or requested and negotiated their release.
If you leave your old job on bad terms of course you are gonna talk bad about them
Finally a great, open, and honest conversation about what happens at ESPN from those who worked there. Thanks for giving a clarifying perspective on the Rachel Nichols/Maria Taylor situation and the culture at that network. Great to see these former ESPN hosts tell the real truth.
ex ESPN employees - who have an ax to grind!
@@jimodonnell5099 why alot of thier former employees, of different colors all seem to have an axe grind? Usually when there is smoke theres a fire. Cannot say always. But id say most times there's probably a fire. Idk. Stay tuned i guess
@@jimodonnell5099 two friends of mine one black one latino worked doing audio and producing respectively. They both echoed the same sentiments said here. Undercurrent of racisim and right wing ideology in the upper offices while putting on the mask of diversity for the public. Equal treatment was non existent for punishments for both blacks and whites, (nepotism) and they both strongly suspected that the old sleep with the bosses tradition was still going on in in some circles. Both left and have never been happier.
@@j2times2006 so Jemele Hill & Dan Lebataard do NOT have an ax to grind? - they had nothing to say till they were shown the door! - ex ESPN employees who have an ax to grind. - maybe hold a job for a while and see how people who get shown the door are always the victims! which is left-wing ideology! - poor babies!
The one thing this conversation does is highlight just how important context is, and I thank all the participants for it. Also it makes me incredibly happy that my privacy is my own and if my Google home ever decides to share my conversations out in the world…..I’m screwed lol but really
@@kevinporter861 no one would care that you don't watch if you stop announcing it trying to get ppl to care that you don't watch 🤷🏽♂️
@@k.h.a.l.i.l. ya man.
@@kevinporter861 As you can see by what just happened, the liberal media behind closed doors ends up being nothing more than a typical devil.
@@adgee5401 I don’t quite understand what you’re saying. Elaborate please…
OMG that should be a screenplay. Blackmailer hacks people’s Alexa or Google and uses embarrassing stuff to leverage them. Black Mirror style
The way my man Dan sat back and let them talk is EXACTLY how you do it. Take notes!!!!
Facts
great point!!!
Right! And there was no pandering done. No virtue signaling. Let them talk. He gets a 10/10.
True, no white guy pandering or phony interest just a dude sitting back and letting truth be told.
Lol Greeny or the host on first take would have interrupted 7-8 times already cause they have to be heard.
This the conversation ESPN didnt want to happen because wait until this episode pick up steam
@@salvatoreventura7461 Its more interesting to hear people who work for or have worked for ESPN talk about it. Kwame need to go after his boy Jason Whitlock for what he said on the matter. But he wont do that.
They all got dumped, so of course they're bitter. I don't think these 3 (or certainly 2) are people Maria should be taking advice from if she wants a successful career as a sports personality.
I think 98% of people would say “who’s Maria Taylor and Rachel Nichols..?”
I’m truly happy Jemele Hill can look back and sincerely laugh at the bs she went through with ESPN. Healing and growth 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@why man, why? she misses those checks. Don't get it twisted.
@why man, why? I meant to reply to sam....podcasts don't pay as well. We see thru her
@why man, why? I said what I said and it wasn’t up for a debate. But y’all can continue to talk amongst yourselves. It’s all ok to have different opinions ☺️
@@Tramaine0000 Yeah she is healing and growing 😂
@@Fantasy23Legend She's the worst.
Amin, you are so naive! Human Resources departments do not work for the employees. HR works the organization, the business. HR at ESPN does not work for the benefit of or to protect Rachel Nichols, Maria Taylor, or Kayla Johnson (a digital video producer at ESPN who was disciplined after telling HR that she had seen the video - as reported by the New York Times). HR at ESPN works for (and to protect) ESPN and Disney. Consequently, one has to always be very careful what (s)he divulges to HR.
Exactly, HR is only there to protect the company. When they tell you that people are a company’s greatest asset they’re full of shit
Facts!!
Thank you. Someone who I can tell has a job and knows what there talking about. HR does have a responsiblilty by law not to allow racism and discrimination against race, age, and more. But your right about everything else.
You're right...but Amin is actually right. HR is "supposed" to be an advocate for the employees to the company but it doesn't work that way bc corporate management will never respect that concept. If an HR person brings conflict where the corporate management is wrong (as most management is bc they make unfounded decisions), they get fired. So de facto they work for corporate but de jure they should work for the employees
MANAGEMENT TAKES CARE OF MANAGEMENT
It's simple. ESPN will never reach the level of Inside the NBA on TNT no matter who they choose as the host. #Facts
Never
ESPN has tried to emulate Inside The NBA for the last 10 years and failed miserably.
ESPN has never nailed their coverage of the NBA
@@darkknight901 Nope . Their success is purely based on the exclusive access they have to certain sports and games. It has very little (especially these days) to the on-air personalities that are hosting their programs.
@@mazengwe28 , they never nailed it because espn is owned by disney, a company hell bent on promoting woke agenda driven leftist politics. if disney owned inside the nba, charles barkley and all the politically incorrect legendary segments he was involved in would have never happened. barkley would have been fired ages ago if disney owned tnt.
Damn this was fantastic. Thank y'all so much for having this conversation.
This was excellent 💯
This interview and the one with Matt Sullivan have been epic. Think this is your true genius medium Dan.
This was just top notch human conversation.
ESPN is not the same lol. I miss the jemele skits with my guy Micheal. That step brothers skit is gold
That was corny af
It's sports entertainment news, we don't care about their opinions or attempts of humor
Stuff like that is why ESPN is dumb
It's a lot of tea sippin' in this video 🍵
Love the “real talk” in this conversation. We need more more forums like this that keep it real.
I don't like Jamele's sports hot takes, but I do listen to her opinions when it comes to race and women's role in sports media. Her experiences give me a better understanding. That said, I loved that she called out Tom Izzo and her alma mater for the sexual assault scandal. It gave her more credibility in my eyes.
BOTTOM LINE: Ms. Taylor IS OVER QUALIFIED for the JOB! Nicholas doesn't stand a chance, because the job need someone with Ms, Taylor's skillset. "Maria attended UGA, where she played collegiate volleyball and basketball. She was named to the All-SEC volleyball team three times and was also a member of the USA A2 National Volleyball team. She graduated from Georgia in 2009 with a degree in broadcast news." Ms. Taylor = 100 vs Nicholas = 0 (ZERO). LMFAO
More like "Real" talk.
How many more qualified black men loose these jobs to women
Why didn't any of these people say anything while they were working for ESPN
Damn this was eye opening. I have always wanted to know the behind the scenes at espn. This needs to be a netflix ahow
If that happen Netflix will probably get sued by ESPN.
I could have told you that if you would ask me I don't need former employees to tell me. Things are not what they appear to be on television. These people never speak out while they're working for our organization it's an organization it's always after they get let go or fired
Quit hating on Amin. None of you are giving up your career (especially when it’s in your contract) without a fight. He actually knows her personally. This is ESPN’s fault, not Rachel’s. Like Dan said. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.
This, ESPN have gotten a massive pass in the most part and if Nichols goes she will be the sacrificial lamb and they will look all nice and woke
Multiple things can be true at the same time. ESPN can be the fuck ups we know them to be, and Rachel does not need to refer to her co-workers in such a manner.
@@isiah675 I fully agree. I’m guessing she’s reached out personally and apologized for it. Nobody else but Maria is owed one.
@@ravisubra That's exactly it and it's especially fishy when espn leaked that Maria wants more money than they think she is worth.
People would rather blame the employee/contract than the company for a sus work environment.
Put tnt crew for the finals more enjoyable
Yes I know Ernie ain’t raciest
Finally. Someone got the balls to say it. I wish that the NBA would let Turner Sports broadcast the NBA Finals but Turner Sports isn't big enough for the NBA let them broadcast their NBA Finals games.
@@mikejames3824 well neither is she if you listened to the entire tape
@@roscoepcoltrane1985 it’ll happen in time.
@@jkranites 2021 attention spans don’t listen or read the article just headlines
After seeing all this go down in the last couple months, I just have two questions, “Stephen A Smith, what the HELL were you doing at them colleges, and what the HELL were you doing at them high schools BOI?
😂😂😂😂😂
Lmfaooooo
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
At “them”? Sounds like you are the one that needs to be at high school and college.
@@DrPhill96 you can write like that with quotation marks dialog.
Finally…honest perspective of this situation. Thank you, Jemele
LOL. Jemele lying ass ain't never been "honest" about anything.
@@Shade23753 Seriously. What bubble do people live in, where they would actually believe that Jemele "Cancel Culture" Hill is being told "No" 10,000 times a day, in this climate? She's being funded, and she hasn't been transparent about that.
Hahaha honest..yeah f in right
Just finding this somehow.. 🤯🤲🏾 great show folks. Thanks for bringing this together Dan and crew.
Finally some voices of reason with actual insight on the inner workings of ESPN
*insight
I don’t know, they’re saying that they should discuss white supremacy on espn when that is exactly the problem
Look I may not agree with everything that was said all I'm saying that it was refreshing to see ppl have a nuanced conversation instead of someone just giving a hot take going off on Rachael Nichols or trying to blame it on "woke" culture
Dan is a great mediator.
Damn. I didn’t know Amin didn’t work at ESPN any more.
He’s so much better now tho.. u should hear the Spotify podcast when he rejoined San recently and left espn.
Dan
@@bobduffy7744 Definitely going to check it out. Thanks for the info.
@@MrsButtersworth82 lol Mr & Mrs. your welcome ! It was one I’ll never forget. Explained his whole life story. Made me become a fan of his after that more then I already was.
I thought I was just missing him on whatever show he was on it's a lot of ppl gone
Great to see all these ex-ESPN employees, black and white, tell us the truth about the greasy operation over at that network.
Always grimey. Knew a producer there who was black and he got the same vibe working there. Hes way happier as an IT guy now than working for that company
To further Jemele’s point, the optics of 2 Black men sticking up for a white woman instead of the Black woman at the center of the issue!! It looks horrible!!!
By the way, this was a great conversation!!!
But it was a bullshit move. They only did it because of her race.
@@rozilla_the_savage4445 , yeah okay 🙄
Need to get out of this way of thinking...smh. Since they're black, beyond being friends with Rachel, and supporting their growth in media...they suppose to defend Maria lol. I'm against Rachel but how you worded it just brain dead...go read MLK speech...not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. That's my reason for sticking with Maria, no blemish on her character and this audio makes Rachel look awful.
@@icantbelieveitsnotbutter8851, shut up!! The optics do look bad!! I’m speaking to a conversation you probably never had or will have!! It is some things I am privy to that you will never be!! Don’t come in these comments talking about issues you don’t have any ideas about!! Please don’t tell about me about what MLK said because at this I don’t give a shit!! The reason why this conversation is even taking place is because somebody thought color was an issue!! I don’t want to hear about being color blind nor do I want to be colorblind!! Get out of here with your stupid comments!!
Right, because black woman always defend black men… GTFOH with this lame ass shaming tactic!!
Rachel Nichols needs to assume the 🎤 is always on. She's fortunate her words were not more toxic.
Her words werent toxic at all. They were actually way more respectful then I would imagine.
@@JGreen-tb6ke Inferring that a black woman got opportunities based off of her race rather than her merit is toxic.
Is she a toxic person? She spoke her truth. Any person in her position would be mad. This was not a public statement she was venting her frustration that espn wants to force diversity at her expense and violate her contract
@@BabySpit Did she have a problem when ESPN started hiring more women to help with diversity too lol? She was only annoyed because she felt she lost out on a gig.
@@BabySpit Again, regurgitating her words. Why is it a diversity hire? Why is it with you people Maria isn't able to stand on her Merits? Maybe it's out of your realm of possibilities but maybe just maybe she was better for the position. As you can see from the microcosm of social media Rachel isn't really favored anymore and this has been trending for years
It’s funny how nobody brings up them laughing about the me too movement or Black Lives Matter.
"Allies"
Exactly...that's what messed me up...lebron guy said between black lives matter and me too he is spent and they laughed...wtf
Seriously and that wasn't no awkward life, that was a yes me too! laugh. People can deflect all they want to, but truth is Rachel obviously has bias. She definitely showed it with D Rose. And neither of them mentioned the fact that they both were brought in after Beadle was dropped in 2019; they simply changed her from host to sideline reporter. And the pregame has Jalen and Jay already, so her saying diversity was a big reach.
Cause both movements are jokes and just money grabs for the people at the top running the organizations. Total jokes fima has helped more blacks than the blm movement and if people don't see that you are blind. An just a sheep to the so called woke movement that alienates its own members if they have their own individual thoughts.
And?
100% real talk.
This is the best conversation on this topic.
The fact that these 3 former epsn workers are speaking up about the company is telling. Even the casual ESPN fan knows these 3 faces and the fact their speaking up about the company shows how off ESPN really is. Some shady shit from the company
Honestly they all deserve what they are getting .
Beacause everything was all good to all these people until it happens to them.
that go along get along attitude fratenity bullshit is NAFERIOUS and now yall all know what it is like to be a regular joe
@@jasonlyrics5958 Well said!
@@jasonlyrics5958 , none of those people are regular joes. they all work in media. you think jemele hill is a regular joe?
All 3 of these jokers were sjw preachers while they were there. They know the game. There is a clear reason this illegal recording was leaked now. If you think that reason had nothing to do with Maria's contract negotiation then you're willfully ignorant.
I like Dan Le BaTard in small doses. His version of Highly Questionable was fun. The other two, I'm glad they're off ESPN. All of them are going to have biased opinions because they were All fired.
Anyone else laugh at the irony of Stephen A Smith? He calls out black players for not pushing for black coaches, yet almost every boss he has is white and his loud mouth is sealed.
Great observation.
👍👍👏👏
Do you know of many black boss in Steven A Smith field of work❓ Fox news ,TNT etc... Are all white so the fuck you're talking about
Facts
@@kevinmassoma3310 I believe we are saying the same thing. That is my exact point.
I’ve been waiting for this.
Well worth the wait..
This is espn's fault in putting those two women in that position. But if the job was promised to you and gets taken away all of a sudden, even if you are qualified enough for the job, then it's a problem.
I believe Rachel said it was written in to her contract to be the host for the Finals. If that's the case, she has grounds to sue.
@UFO'S ARE REAL!!! But you cant say rachel dont deserve her job. She worked her ass off as well. And it was promised to her in the first place, so why take it back now?
@UFO'S ARE REAL!!! Ma nigga please
@UFO'S ARE REAL!!! Maria is good at hosting in general but does lack on nba knowledge. She doesn’t add much in that area. Rachel has put in her time nba wise even though she can be annoying.
@UFO'S ARE REAL!!! Do you know how many people have played professional sports and suck at commentating on that sport?
FINALLY! A conversation where no one is being called a sellout or a Tom. THANK YOU!
They are being called racist. It''s hilarious how the people who invented being a racist, calls someone else a racist!!!
Do anyone remember the line from the Temptations movie where David Ruffin says "pretty soon there going to be more ex-Temps than Temps..." That's how I felt watching this.
That's beautiful quote and timing for using it👏🏾👏🏾
I love these honest conversations by these people who work for each other and the company ESPN and knew both parties involved.
To me, Rachel didn’t say anything wrong. She was just defending her job.
Same. She actually spoke more about espns cruddy history.
Rachel was right in what she said but the problem lies in the hypocrisy. The whole problem is that she says she supports affirmative action but doesnt want it when it affects her. Affirmative action is racist and is solving 1 problem by causing the same problem lol
@@thomascarlton82 wtf are u talking about why in the world would a person want someone else to take there job and ur saying they should be ok with it because they support affirmative action. That doesn't make any sense what ur talking about i hope no company trys to F u over because of there crappy past because u seem like u would just let them screw u.
Very deep and highly informative conversation that was had here. Finally a group of people had a discussion about this topic that placed the blame exactly where it deserved to be directly on ESPN and them attempting to tokenize a qualified black woman due to a change of dynamics when it comes sports and race intersecting by sacrificing another highly qualified white woman just to front like they are a diverse company. I agree with everything that was said here IDK Rachel Nichols personally but I don't believe what she said was racist. I believe she and Maria was put in a fuck up position which led to conflict at a professional level not on a personal level.
Just because Disney and ESPN were bad at management does not make it ok for Rachel to lash out like that man. She jumped at the opportunity to give Maria flak and undermine her professionalism. Don’t act like Rachel has not gotten a leg up at some point. Her choosing to come at Maria like that is not reflective of ESPN it’s about her personal opinions and values. She has racially fueled negative feelings don’t try to cover that up that is what this is about…
ESPN is racist and bigoted af. That’s why their ratings are in the toilet. People feeling entitled cuz their skin color and the white liberals that kiss az there are now getting eaten by the monster they created. Good I say
@@devinglover-bailey7652 You must Hate Jamaelle Hill.
Well said
@@t.d.mcinturff1712 jamele hill is kinda trash and the only people who check for her articles are people commenting on race lol
I appreciate this. I didn’t think Rachel was being racist. Sounded like she was being proud and protective of her assignment as it relates to the nba finals. She had a private conversation leaked and was probably used to avoid ESPN paying Maria Taylor more in her new contract
If she wouldn't have said Maria was hired because she is Black she would have been good this thing would have been put to bed
100% Jamele Hill; ESPN is at fault here for pitting two professional women against each other.
They did that purposely fam....cunning
Bottom line is Rachel said what she said 🤷🏾♂️
@@bobbyshaw2419 but let's relay what she said correctly. Saying ESPN was trying to improve their diversity profile, isn't the same as saying Maria Taylor is a diversity hire.
@@andreanarine8179 yup
jemele hill is 100% wrong. the person who leaked the video is at fault here. that person is kayla johnson, a black woman. she leaked the video to maria taylor, another black woman, in order to gain leverage for her contract renegotiations which she recently turned down a 5 mill year salary because she wanted stephen a smith money.
Love hearing straight facts! Haven’t watched ESPN since
Me either
I would pay money to see a conversation between Clay Travis and Dan.
I wouldn’t pay a solitary cent for anything remotely associated with Clay Travis.
@@RadioAaron exactly. We should only listen to people we agree with…
Dan never had to debate a conservative on ESPN.
Hell yea! Clay has invited her to discuss, but folks like Jamele would never accept that invite. Clay believes in meritocracy and Jamele believes in reducing people to their immutable traits like race and gender. It would be an interesting convo
Who’s Clay Travis?
finally a proper breakdown on what's happening
From people who actually worked for the company. Go figure.
By three people who got dumped by ESPN and are now trying to avoid total obscurity by bitterly commenting on their old company.
@@daveclark8337 fair point
Happy to see Dan has a show
These three are such pros, you can’t even tell they are practicing journalism right now. The conversation flows so well.
Amin’s issue with Woj was some inside info I didn’t expect to hear at all. But I can definitely see that
Like how he got mad when she said Rachel does the same
His statement 🤯 Woj a career killer like damn foot on the neck
Amin is an idiot. Like wtf are you talking about? You just don't make allegations like that & not back it up & just throw a tantrum that your words are truth by saying are you kidding me? It's the corporate world. Everybody is out to further themselves. People have no morals in general. It's not about race, it's about I want to be the top person in this company & I will slit anyone's throat that is in my way. Anybody who wants to follow me you're welcome to join. Black people SMH has to make everything about race sadly. But again this happens to every race every country etc etc. You don't have to be white to slit your competitions throats.
Who is the guy with an ‘S’, I really wanna know!
@@shadowguy20004 probably Shams. Woj and Shams worked together in Yahoo! Sports.
Maria Taylor has a great management team ;) Good for her when she gets a killer contract.
So then why did espn try to embarrass her by leaking and insinuating that she wanted Stephen A money ?That sounds like they wanted to bully her into backing down in contract negotiations.
Enjoyed listening to ESPN being shamed…tell it like it is guys
A M E N 🙏🏽
Just watching this I’ve learned so much what actually goes down at ESPN
Just watch how quickly the minority anchors switch all the time as opposed to the white ones..... hmmmmmmmm......
@@syndicate4105 ESPN hates black people. Is that what you wanted to hear?
If you dont see that in my statement, do not try to push something I did not say
@@syndicate4105 What were you implying in your blanket statement then?
@@jonjhon8491 look at how often the minority anchors get fired or leave
Love the TRANSPARENCY.
It’s refreshing when a corporation doesn’t control a conversation.
They need to cut Highly Questionable if the original cast ain’t there!!
bill simmons created 30 for 30. they fired him for trashing roger goodell. most of these shows were made by off air talent hence why they are still being shown despite the people who was starring on the show in the beginning no longer being there.
Haven’t watched ESPN in 3 years. Can’t imagine what HQ is like without them
@@wrestlingcommunity Bomani Jones still holds it down, but it has turned into a half hour of sports writers trying to crack jokes about the day’s sports headlines. It’s somehow still better than Around the Horn.
There's only two good shows on ESPN lineup around the horn and pardon the interruption
@@1990758 I’m not an around the horn guy at all lol Tony is way too “douchey” for be. To each his own though
I'm black. Rachel Nichols didn't say anything racist, she was just upset that Maria Taylor was getting premium work for diversity/inclusion sake. In what world is Maria Taylor better or more qualified for any NBA job over Rachel Nichols?!? Honestly. Most of y'all barely knew who Maria Taylor was before this story. Taylor's out here asking ESPN for $8 million and suddenly a story from last year leaks, which will make ESPN look bad if they don't pay her. That's no coincidence. Rachel is just a casualty of Taylor's reps demanding more money...
How we barely know her when she was the host of NBA Countdown? Rachel Nichols was jealous and Totally dismissed Maria Taylors accomplishments and said she only.got there because of race. That isn't racist, but it is wrong.
You're not black . And Rachel is corny as hell on the JUMP
@@jamal4717 Lol well I said "most of y'all" not everyone. Maria Taylor ain't Rachel Nichols in terms of recognition. That's all i'm saying. Maria got a 2020 finals job over Rachel without putting in the work Rachel has. Rachel isn't jealous, she's angry. Even in the clip that this is all about, she wishes Maria nothing but the best, but finishes it with "you're not taking my thing away." ESPN took away her thing. This all happened last year btw. The only reason it's even a story now is because Taylor is trying to get a big paycheck, which she probably will now.
@@_lamar5059 You're right actually. I'm not just black, i'm a black latino. Rachel should be corny bruh, she's a 47 year old Mom. She's still a pros pro....
@@lordjolly2267 What work did she put in that's different than anyone else putting in work? Oh I get it...Maria is more "athletic".
I wish Paul Pierce got to apologize and keep his job….
You can’t apologize for ugly strippers.
@@versewonderstrikes5353 🤣🤣🤣
Jemele also didn’t get a chance to apologize and keep her job
@@moniquej369 actually she got a chance and she said "fuck, no!"
😂😂😂
I respect that. But she did get a chance to apologize.
And Chris Carter
Glad to hear the refreshing conversation and even more glad to see the LeBatard Show bounce back, I will continue to watch... Thanks!
Pulling the curtain back on ESPN and exposing their culture. This is the real conversation.
and who is in charge of this culture you speak of? that is th real conversation. but i doubt you even know who is in charge of the so called "culture."
@@blqest125 go ahead and enlighten us Mr. Q
@@mosheparanov , why are you asking me? you just said in another post, its me that's brainwashed. why would you ask someone who you think is brainwashed?
@@blqest125 to help other brainwashed people get better - for prevention - to help you... all kinds of reasons
Former ESPN intervention sesh
All of them are salty AF 😂😂😂
@@jonjhon8491 that's what I was thinking 😂😂
Lmao
They tell the truth…
And I love you Dan cuz you will never try to take over the conversation you let everybody do them and be their self
Did not know Dan had a channel
Did not know Amin was out at ESPN
Great to see Jemele get a chance to take a tour of media outlets and put her thoughts on the matter out there
This was great ✨💫
I didn't know Amin was out what happened there?
He dipped to join the ship
I'm watching this conversation *again* just after ESPN removed Rachel Nichols from NBA programming and canceled "The Jump." When you put everything in context, ESPN made that recording, then sat on it for a YEAR before they leaked it _right before the NBA Finals started_ and right before Taylor's contract expired. ESPN is the NASCAR of sports entertainment.
Im not even a Le Batard fan but he got a new sub from me for calling out Shit-Lock alone.
And Clay Travesty
Amin's commentary on Woj is all over local radio here in Dallas/Fort Worth
Why?
@@Floyd_Steel "Woj is racist"
@@jjhawk4389 i'm saying why is it such a big deal in the DFW area specifically?
@@Floyd_Steel It isn't. I expect it's being played in all the big markets.
So everyone condemned what Rachel said, but then spent the whole time saying what she said was true. Make it make sense
People just wanna feel good bruh. Ion get it! Ion think she did exactly everything right. But I’m privacy I don’t see what’s wrong with what she said. Pure mismanagement on ESPN!
@@ProdbyPackTV Would you want someone to say you only make good content because your black instead of your talent ? That’s basically what Rachel was saying. That Maria only got the job cuz she was black. Not the fact she played ACTUAL sports nd been doing espn sideline since 2013 with college football.
@@crip34983 I didn’t get that from what Rachel Said. What I got was ESPN do a really bad job with their diversity. And now a job she was promised to do is being taken away because of it and she doesn’t like it. It’s more of a shot at ESPN than a personal dig.
@@crip34983 She literally said Maria deserves all the opportunities she can get but why at her expense when she did nothing wrong? The Finals has been her thing for a while now, and I’m sure she appreciates the conversations.
Bottom line is this…. ESPN changed their minds and picked Maria over Rachel , it’s their right, It happens. Maria is the new fresher face. And her numbers are great. And her ability is even better than her ratings.
I love that this channel is after the truth. Nuanced conversations are not the most clickable, but are often the most important. Screw the YT algo. This is the content we need in every niche / industry.
Thanks for covering this topic. I felt like y’all covered this in a very holistic manner
Respect Dan!
I hadn’t heard from u since u left ESPN radio glad I found u on TH-cam
There was no racial undertone in what Rachel said. To paraphrase she said, if ESPN is so concerned about diversity, don't take my job look somewhere else. She didn't need to apologize.
Agreed. If anything, have a personal conversation with Maria for clarity sake. That’s about it.
This is a total indictment of ESPN not Rachel Nichols
How so?
Are u following the story at all? Did u even read the actual quote from Nichols? ESPN was contractually obligated to give her the role and because they were being criticized for not being diverse enough on top they took that away from her and gave it to Maria Taylor(and no I’m not saying that Maria Taylor is not qualified for the job)
@@michaelpuente3352 chill bro. I was only asking you how you came to that conclusion. I wasn’t challenging you.
@@valthomas9786 because… Espn handled this poorly… not necessarily the women involved.
@@EARiot it works both ways though. You have a country that now believes black people should be given preferential treatment in schools, jobs, etc… so of course that opens the door for questions, whether it be true or untrue.
Charles Barkley will be the new host of The Jump 🤣
Lmao. He definitely could and should.
Big Perk
This is a great conversation for a topic with layers. Thank you.
Mamas cooking 🤣🤣
oh they won't go there lol
Racccheelll
@@TheJSexton24 miss rachhhelll alexanderrr
Jemelle Hit it on point with “under current “
The Best Convo about what really happened at ESPN. Thanks.
Rachel's dad is a legendary producer. Are you telling me that didn't open doors for her. As if she has done everything in her career based solely on merit.
And her mother-in-law is Diane Sawyer
@@lewisjones3345 That part
She showed her true colors. Now it’s our job to call her out on it.
@@devinglover-bailey7652 I'm not into cancel culture but, it'd be hard to move on from this. It's like cheating. That doubt will remain.
@@devinglover-bailey7652 to be clear, I’m a black man and I don’t think what she did/said was racist. It was racial, and that’s very different. She is saying that management at ESPN feels the pressure due to the cultural & and racial climate to put this other woman in front of her. That can be true and sound harsh at the very same time.
Amin is protecting Rachel Nichols and not holding her responsible for her comments. She said what she said privately and it was true and authentic. Rachel beliefs are implied by her statement.
You are scrutinizing her belief, which was agreed upon in her contract, that she was blindsided by their decision and had a natural human reaction to it? If Rachel Nichols does not survive this then it will be impossible to be a human being with flaws in any space. This was not egregious nor was it personal.
@@Boomer0024 belief? Dude, stop.
Real
@@Boomer0024 You’re mischaracterizing why people are angry. If she simply expressed her frustration with ESPN for going back on their word, there wouldn’t have been any backlash. The issue is the assertion that Maria was given the gig because she was black. That sort of casual racism is not a “natural human reaction” and the fact that you phrased it as such is very telling.
@@Boomer0024
The contract thing is not true. ESPN was not contractually obligated to give her that job.
Mike and Jemele were lit! When they left, I was done.
Indeed. They were the only people on ESPN that I watched regularly for commentary.
The Rachel Nichols drama is Better than the actual Game 😂
Stephen A: Rachel, I love you and respect you as a reporter, but I think it is in your best interest that you resign immediately from your post.
Me: I agree.
Amin is letting Rachel off the hook. This wasn’t about her losing a job. This was about her losing a job to a person who SHE THOUGHT, was only in line for the position bcuz she was a black female.
He's only sticking up for her because she helped him before. It's all about who you know and who your allied with. This is honest, this is pure selfishness. This is disgusting corporate politics played out in every big company there is. I know, I do work for several of them. People inside corporations are ruthless and stab each other in the back all the time. These people are sickening.
@@stickman1742 that's how tv is...grow up
Facts I see him trying to tiptoe around it like I understand he knows her and mayne ESPN is shady and racist you cn tell by the comments under their clips but they didnt make her say the things she said
@@stickman1742 facts
So yall REALLY REALLY REALLY believe that if it was a white woman taking Rachel's spot, Rachel would have just been cool with it? That's rhetorical because I know you're not that foolish. You just want to be mad..I get it.
ESPN needs some of that MAMAS COOKING!
Very interesting to hear from Jemele about her journey as a black female sports columnist.
not really
Jemele Hill has always been 1 of, if not thee smartest voices on ESPN, it's a shame that ppl would diminish her by saying, oh she got her job b/c she's Black, or b/c she's a woman
His & Hers after they moved past the stats format, was the best ESPN show in my opinion. I haven't watched since that ended.
Think a little deeper about b/c she's Black b/c we know she is both intelligent and a woman. So what we like is confidence, not arrogance, we like the assurance of hearing well rounded reporting, not fluff, not tease, and certainly no drama. The action of sport is the description at that moment it is relived is what we seek as displaced fans. Dan and Jemele are two of the most capable, nuff said.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I like her
Pffffft!! She is prolly been 1 of, if not thee dumbest voices on ESPN. Now I'm no Trump supporter , but she sent out a ridiculous tweet and gained game from it. Now she's just milking it for all it worth. I don't blame her for it, but let's call it what it is. She's so daam fake, I cannot stand it.
First honest conversation I have heard on this and I am honestly shocked I found it here. Great job on this.
They did Michael and Jemele dirty. They're podcast and shows were so successful and they let stupid people crying about nothing control the narrative.
This is a great conversation and I'm glad we're having it.
Really good conversation, a lot of great points being made and very insightful.
This was very enlightening, I have an entirely new outlook at the world of sports journalism and how hard it is to move up and how cut throat it can be.
And plus journalism is rarely creating millionaires lol too much of a hassle for me I'm cool in my lil warehouse making this $25 a hr 🤣
It's like any other shitty corporate job. Same cutthroat shit!
Loved his and hers…
TNT should have been covering the finals decades ago 💯
TNT is too honest. They're not gonna talk about who's the greatest basketball player of all time twice a month every month. That's what ESPN does
One thing they did miss is that Taylor is 34 and Nichols is 47, so Nichols probably rightly felt that them backtracking on this was effectively the beginning of the end for her in a high profile role at ESPN as we all know that a lot of female presenters tend to get dropped down the pecking order when they get to a certain age, so she was well within her rights to kick up a fuss over them backtracking as she probably thought this was the first step to her role diminishing
so you sayin that red hair dye not working any more
@PancakesAnd Wine Nichols never said Taylor didn’t have talent though, she said she got giving that role because ESPN are trying to look like they give a shit about diversity
They're also trying to hire more people of color. So it only makes sense to replace Nichols with a person of color. If Nichols isn't a hypocrite then she should support it and go on her way. It's looks like she is just another phony. No surprise.
@@stickman1742 lol as if you’d give up a 7 figure job so you look woke!
@@ravisubra If she believed that Maria had talent than her first thought wouldn’t be that Maria was being given the role because of diversity..
I still like Rachel, but her train of thought on that situation is disrespectful. Every time I watch ESPN, I see numerous black faces talking about Football, Basketball, etc....Hell, Stephen A. Smith is basically the face of the Network. They clearly dont have a diversity issue with black people in front of the camera. Maria got the job because she has shown to be QUALIFIED and CAPABLE for it, PERIOD!
Keep telling yourself that.
I guess you skipped the part where the job was written into Rachel's contract. Assuming there was no other issues with Rachel, why take it from her?
@@WegotTheBOMB 🙄🙄
@@frenzal191 Im assuming in the contract it was also stated they can rescinded it whenever they want, or else Rachel wouldve sued them for breach of contract. Unless there is proof they gave it away to do race, WHY even think like that?
@@frenzal191 Hi Jeff, do you have details about Rachel's contract because Rachel in the recorded video does not talk about that. Pretty presumptuous of you which tells me where your mind is.
Inside the NBA should be covering the Finals. Sometimes the current halftime show consists of a 30 second recap and 10 minutes of commercials. And no one has any meaningful input. Meanwhile Inside the NBA goes in and always does a deep analysis.
ESPN has 30 second halftime shows because ESPN knows it's coverage is trash. No one is watching when they can go take a bathroom break or toke a blunt.
Jemele Hill is a real one. Her and Michael Smith’s run on ESPN moving up from that afternoon slot to prime time was nothing short of special ASM she never stopped being herself ONCE! Unapologetically so. And I’m glad she’s still thriving post ESPN because of it.
Great conversation here. I don’t think Rachel is racist. I think she’s mad as hell. I think ESPN does have terrible management. I do think all of this was handled stupidly. Including that apology. But this conversation was spectacular. Subbing to hear more.
Lol, Jamelle Hill is the biggest racist out of all of them. Her show sucked when they moved her up. She's so fake, she's playes the race card every single chance she gets. She's not consistent at all.