Thank a little back story since you talked about Cooling Military Aircraft. My wife Dad, did a NEW plane delivery for Boeing. The Russians did the opposite. They had huge blanket covers for Aircraft to HEAT them. Anyway the Russian were interested in Boeing to show them a complete SHUT down of Aircraft and being able to START them off just Battery. My Wife's Dad flies into a very cold part of Russia. There was ICE on the inside of the makeshift Hotel that stayed in. Boeing had to demonstrate to the Russian that a Boing plane could complete SHUT down and Start again. My wife's Dad said it was below Zero in the cockpit ( that had Artic gear on) started the Boing plane and took off. Just thought it was interesting you talked about Cooling the Aircraft before take off.
Make sure both primary and aux tank valves are open the aux tank is the valve closest to the blue line yall were referencing (in video around 1:16:50) brown handle valve is aux tank. Allow both tanks to fill completely and you cant use the main valve for starting need to hook the 2 small lines you have put together back on the soleniod and supply 12v to the soleniod or fix the start button. spray with either should pop right off. Keep up the good work maybe one day yall can say you're a mechanic lol
Isn't there a switch that holds the exhaust valves open during start up? Lets the motor spin freely while getting the fuel in the cylinders. Hold until it's puffing then release. Seems that's what I remember.
Disengage the a/c compressor. I think the big lever is in the wrong position. It appears that the engine is trying to turn the a/c pump at the same time as starting the engine.
I work on these in the air force. You need 150 psi to start most likely... We use portable air compressors. Make sure your fuel filters are primed all the way to the top and both valves are open on the tank. Also might need to open up valve covers and see if you got anything weird going on in there..
Also, another thing I remembered. Holding the engine hold button the bottom right one make sure it sends the governor fully out and springs back when you let go. That's putting the engine in full rack position at starting.
Those are breakers not fuses and push the lever forward To release and rear to engage clutch. Must have power to panel to operate all solenoid on the engine for fuel cut off.
When I was in the Air Force, we used very similar units for cooling systems while we were doing function checks. I'm going to guess this was used for a larger plane, like a B-52, B-1, or something similar. Could it have been used for what you suggested? Absolutely. Thank you for your service.
Hank on that governor box on top is a solenoid that is air actuated. You can't bypass that because it is part of the safety kill switch to shut it down if it overheats, low oil pressure, or stops charging while it runs. You won't have any smoke out of the exhaust until you have fuel to the injectors. The air solenoid on top of the governor will hold it in the OFF position, hence holding the buttons for 15 seconds. That way the oil pressure comes up and the volts... then you can release it because it will be operating on its own. Can't wait to meet you sometime
Hank, you may perform a short cut by getting a larger volume air compressor and plumb it directly to the starter. Just make sure to use an air valve so you can "cut" the air once it starts. Get an air line quick release or a union and and plumb it direct into the blue (supply line to starter)line. Volume is the key on this project, you want that starter pinion to release once it starts and not get hung up on the fly wheel if the little bit of air being supplied is just enough to keep it engaged once the ol Detroit kicks over.
A challenging job for you guys. Air starters have a unique sound. That lower tap on the tank is a bleed valve for moisture, I think. Happy 2023. (Sorry I haven't commenting much. busy with work and watching NYDrains, Kempinger and Drain addict sewer blockage video's) I think the air pressure is still too low.
They actually use the ac cart for the avionics bay, you can use the acft ac packs on the ground with the apu. We also use the ac cart while working in areas the get really hot.
Hey Hamilton farms yo have the clutch engaged pulling the handle towards the compressor engaged it you need to push it towards the engine to disengage the clutch
Hey! That 20 amp "fuse" is actually a circuit breaker!! Push it IN to turn on. This is a standard aircraft type breaker, and it works as a switch also; pull it out to turn the circuit off. You may have destroyed it when you pulled on it with pliers. Try shorting out the two screws on the back of it. The engine is indeed a 6V92T or TT turbocharged engine, probably around 350 HP and 1700--1800 RPM, although in some situations, it can be run at 2300. I had one in my bus motorhome, and it was excellent. The air cylinders on the governor are most likely for a fast idle setup. In that application, it sets the engine to a predetermined RPM, which is governed at that speed. The long cyl is for speed setting (screws in where the buffer screw was) and one on top of the governor blocks the throttle when in fast idle mode. In normal configuration, the starter is on the right hand side of the engine, as seen from the fan end. I'm glad you came across one I had experience with. By the way, R134a is the current gas for mobile equipment.
When a Detroit is right they will start very quickly. I had a 12V/71 in my boat I would just bump the starter button, like you bump a key while typing, an a second later the engine would roar to life. I have an 8V/71 in my bus conversion and it is the same.
An 8 Volt battery on a 12 Volts system, great quote. More air is needed. Check the fuel pump solenoid is open so fuel is going through. You will get it going for sure.
The R model Macks used by the Australian Army up until recently were all air start, and they where built in the mid/late 80's. That starter is going to need the tank to be charged to somewhere around 120PSI. That compressor should have an regulator on it that can be turned up to 110PSI (there will be a safety valve) or so. It should be able to charge the air system, It might just take a little time to fill is all.
And here we have today, a BIG welcome to the Gardening Program brought to you by Billy and Bob the Odd Job men, no matter how tall, or how big if its weeds we can take the job on.. OOPPS wrong programme Its a will it start again..LOL.. Thanks for the smiles you send way across the pond.. Ian-UK
By bypassing the control air to the starter and shutting off valve on top the side air tank you are preventing the front tank @9:19 to fill up thus having a small volume of air. I would suggest that you remove that union on the control air line and install a quarter turn valve instead that will act as your "starter switch", then that will allow you to have those big 1" valves open.
20 odd year's ago they had Mack semi truck's that had air start, if they had no air in the tanks they would let their tyres drain into the tank and start the engine then pump up their tyres again, all the best to yous and your loved ones
Rule number one of starting a 2-Stroke Detroit Diesel is to remove the valve covers and check the fuel rack to ensure that “The Rack” / “Injectors” are not frozen/stuck. If you have injectors stuck shut it will never start and if you have injectors stuck open the damn thing can run away from you. Additionally you need to ensure the blower flap is not tripped and the air cutoff flap works properly additionally on a startup of a Detroit that has been sitting it is a good idea to pull the air filters or hose between the air filters and the blower so that a board can be placed over it to choke the engine down while you are shutting the fuel valves off because rarely have I ever seen a board over the engine air inlet choke an engine out. With regards to the Air Starter you need to fill the air tanks to 120 pounds of air, all accessories need to be disengage ( i.e the A/C compressor clutch needs to be disengage) the fuel filters need to be full. This is a DDEC (Electronic controlled) engine so it you need to have battery voltage to run the ECU. It has been nearly 30 years since I fooled with air starter on DD and then it was a pair of early 80’s 8v71’s in a boat that was rigged up to spin the air starter off a CO2 bottle or the air storage tank on the boat on the port engine and start the start board engine from the port engine or it’s air starter. If you believe you do not have enough air try getting a CO2 or Nitrogen bottle with a regulator like is used to run air tools or a truck/piece of equipment with air brakes because that is what normally fills the air tank on trucks that used air starters. If you can’t figure this out I would suggest trying to contact Ole2Stroker or the BusGreaseMonkey
G'day guys. I live in a rural district and have an older Stihl FS90 which does a great job on most stuff including blackberries. Now I also have an FSA130 battery operated unit which is at least as good and I bought the big backpack battery which can keep it running for up to five hours or so on low power. It is nearly silent, doesn't create smelly toxic exhaust and starts at the mere squeeze of the trigger every, time which is great for older blokes like me. It has variable power output and other than initial outlay is as cheap as it gets to run, doesn't need to be winterized and is almost as easy as drinking a soda to replace the line. I also have a battery operated Stihl lawn mower and chain saw which are 'the bees knees' too. They can all use the same battery and are equally easy to use and inexpensive to operate! I know it reads like an advert but I assure you it is not, I am merely enthusiastic about Stihl gear because it is so good and was pleased to see you bought Stihl.
Rub a little dirt in that cut LOL. One place I worked in Canada there was an air starter truck, we didn't shut it off in the winter outside. Sounds like air leaking somewhere when you try to crank so not all air going to starter
I can tell you from my experience working on shrimp boats with Detroit and the very same manner I would check to make sure that the fuel rack is not stuck before I crank that engine any faster than y’all have rolled it over and the air starters gonna be a little bit more challenging y’all got the right idea but definitely gonna need a lot more air Those motors like to turn over fast and quite a few revolutions before they actually fire
maybe rent a compressor like they use for jack hammers and stuff we use those for blowing out lawn sprinklers in the fall and they flow a ton of CFM the downside is even with all that CFM you have that tiny fitting to fill the tank which would cut the flow
you guys need a horse trailer to make into a toolbox. Low to the ground and you can lock them up. Worked great back when I was very young. Happy Thanksgiving🍗🍖🦃🦃
That is definitely an interesting setup when I was at the mines we had a white it had a air starter and we always had at least $130 PSI and that system to make it operate good luck
Is there a compressor on that engine that may be run by the battery? You would think there would be a way to charge the air tank as part of the system,
Now I see why I come to repair calls and find half of the machine taken apart for no reason, I cant find anything wrong at all except for the bad starter switch! To where Id disconnect and short the wires together to control it.
Air start in '99. My uncle said these air starts were a PIA in the 60's/70's, no wonder the USAF auctioned this off. None the less all the best with it. Too bad Ole2stroker didn't live closer. And thanks for your service Sir.
I think you're on the right track as far as needing more air pressure... I know we have other pieces of age equipment that I've used over the years... That had the ignition hold switch... That you had to hold until the engine was running then release... So not sure if that'll be part of the no, ignition portion as well...
one thing i know about air start is , they operate like an air impact gun , and if they ar dry inside they wont turn as good since the oil will help seal up the vanes , thays why air tools recommend oil every day
Having owned some air start trucks back in the 80's I can tell you 55 0r 60 PSI isn't enough even on a good warm day. Normal operating pressure in the air starter tank was 120 PSI. Not sure if that vertical tank you are charging is actually the air starter tank, The lines look too small. Usually there are two tanks on these systems with a check valve in the line between them
A Hardee's biscuit? I haven't had one of those in about 23 years, when I lived in Mississippi. It was George Of The Jungle from back in the 60s, I think.🤔
WE used to stop at Hardees when we hit I- 26 going to the SC Catitol for building sand early in the morning. Nothing like a couple of chicken biscuits and some coffee and diesel fumes.
If you could get a semi close to that thang you can come off the air tank of it to your air tank if you know someone that will let you borrow there rig also maybe try to get the solinoid working and do your reserch on the air valves. Thats my pro tip Good luck Guys.
Check the solenoid sticking half open. Add some pneumatic oil to air motor intake. Rust could foul it up! Did load on engine clutch out proper? A/C compressor BIG load.
Thanks for another great video. It was interesting and enjoyable. Appreciate all your efforts. Just not going to fire up. Has something to do with the air start. Might an old military person be able to help. Thanks for what you did. Take care. The Iowa farm boy
All right Hank and Wally I used to run a worked at a company that had two or three four air starts you have to get it up to 120 lb if you don't it's not going to spend fast enough and they were V8 they were in Fords if you can get a tractor in there where you can hook up an airline to it on your service line and hook a connector to it to hook to the tank that should build up enough pressure to start that thing up all right this is Bob from Vero Beach Florida God bless and have a great day and please stay safe
i know at times you looking for someone to reach out to with questions this guy works on alot of stuff .. very smart guy ..you should check him out (western truck and tractor repair) he gets it done i'd bet he can help with the air starter
I have a old transit bus with a 6v92 detroit in it.. it has a air starter.. i bought it sight unseen. Owner passed away. Has a air starter.. seem cool. But what a pain in the butt.. spin maybe two or 3 revs before out of air.
I would take a jug..12v electric pump..pre prime fuel system.. if they dont fire in like 2 revs.. pain waiting on air to build.. from my understanding.. guys at mines and and places with alot of machines with air starters.. mechanics go around.. start them and run them on ether.. keep feeding ether till pull fuel and run on own.. that or have nasty air compressor to feed air tank that supplies starter
Excellent video Hank :) , Wiley :) also on Weed Waker if using Sthil orange and White should get head had 3 pivot plastic knifes be changed also love it too ! Also knifes go for lots use before changes why say use them my uncle had on Weed Waker STHL brand of Orange and White to do trimmed on Cementry grave around stones placed were people buried too also around homestead too for trimmed weeds plus more too! You check in that unit and parts you be amazing how works too! Thank you for your Service in Army and Air Force Hank !
I'm curious about that blue handle is for on the control panel. Seen these handles many times on air and water systems. Definitely a volume problem, but anyway looks like fun.
Since that system has sat dormant for several years maybe a bit of air tool oil should be added to the air line going to the starter to loosen and lube thing up?
Interesting video and lots of great comments below. BUT, how about Googling the make and model number for an operation or service manual. There is really good chance you could RTFM, Read the Fine Manual. Well, some folks use a different word for the 'F'. Anything military has to have a set of manuals. You could have wiring diagrams and step by step instructions.
The starter tank needs to be aired up and it should turn it over if you've got the air valve open from the tank. When I started the truck with unsuspecting people standing around it would startle most of them because it sounded like a giant air gun
run 12v to the air start solenoid (hotwire it) done. power to fuel cut off solenoid should help not picking on you, sharing experience. All a solenoid needs is power, remove power when not needed
I would think hearing the air rush out of that air starter that the blades unit are stuck back with standing. I would pop the air line off the starter and drop some air gun oil in it and give some very low air pressure to blow the oil deep into the motor then leave stand while compressor fills the tank up. I would think it would fit you then
I was thinking the same thing. My buddy had an air lug nut gun that wouldn't perform any useful work, turns out he never oiled it for the 20 years he owned it and said it was always a junk tool. I dumped a bit of oil in the tool and let it rip a few time and oh what a nasty rust slime that came out. But it did work correctly after some oil to lube up the internals.
@@michaelrauff734 it sounds very much like the air starter is gummed up with sticky old oil, by putting some fresh oil in the air in pipe will save you having to pull it apart. Once you pull them apart there never right unless you rebuild them with new parts. But there seems to be a lot of air going in and no power and lots of air rushing out to me. It’s more than likely it’s all stuck up inside the thick old oil does not allow the blades to pop out and reseal so the air forces them back as it rushes past them. A good shot of atf or similar thin oil would help free it up or if you have at hand some air tool oil that would also work well.
You're talking CFM to run one of them. Air starters you need about 300 CFM at about 90 psi. I've been around some older Cummins engines that were like that so you guys were right. You just need something like one of them. Big industrial type units that runs an air hammer
I believe the second tank at the front of the machine needs to be filled with air too, I think that'a what the other valve is for and if the panel was working it would dump air from both tanks and get the engine cranked over
Yepy thoughts exactly both valves need to be thrown. Need to put a valve on solinoid line y'all by passed close it then throw both the valves on blue line. Then use smaller line to throw the "bendex".
Awesome morning guys hope yall have an awesome day ! An interesting piece of equipment !!!! I think the guy just wanted yall to weed eat his place !!!!! Lol !!!!! Awesome adventure as always !!! Headed into work now will see yall later !!!!
you need to talk to mel gibson, he got that tanker in the desert to start up straight away.... when your air drill slows down, you squirt wd40 down the air hose, + it speeds up, you gunna need a big tin for that one... if all else fails, i bet you can get an electric starter to fit in place keep up the good work chaps
U guys definitely need a small enclosed trailer with gas air compressor and a tool set up and a generator so u have a battery charger and all the good stuff
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Thank a little back story since you talked about Cooling Military Aircraft. My wife Dad, did a NEW plane delivery for Boeing. The Russians did the opposite. They had huge blanket covers for Aircraft to HEAT them. Anyway the Russian were interested in Boeing to show them a complete SHUT down of Aircraft and being able to START them off just Battery. My Wife's Dad flies into a very cold part of Russia. There was ICE on the inside of the makeshift Hotel that stayed in.
Boeing had to demonstrate to the Russian that a Boing plane could complete SHUT down and Start again. My wife's Dad said it was below Zero in the cockpit ( that had Artic gear on) started the Boing plane and took off. Just thought it was interesting you talked about Cooling the Aircraft before take off.
I love what you guys do if I had the time and the money I’d come down and help tounguys
Small hose with air goes to fuel solenoid
Make sure both primary and aux tank valves are open the aux tank is the valve closest to the blue line yall were referencing (in video around 1:16:50) brown handle valve is aux tank. Allow both tanks to fill completely and you cant use the main valve for starting need to hook the 2 small lines you have put together back on the soleniod and supply 12v to the soleniod or fix the start button. spray with either should pop right off. Keep up the good work maybe one day yall can say you're a mechanic lol
what he said...
right on mate mick Australia
Isn't there a switch that holds the exhaust valves open during start up? Lets the motor spin freely while getting the fuel in the cylinders. Hold until it's puffing then release. Seems that's what I remember.
@@tayro7265 Exactly. Decompression during crank
@@tayro7265 Thats the hold switch. black button they smashed.
Disengage the a/c compressor. I think the big lever is in the wrong position. It appears that the engine is trying to turn the a/c pump at the same time as starting the engine.
I work on these in the air force. You need 150 psi to start most likely... We use portable air compressors. Make sure your fuel filters are primed all the way to the top and both valves are open on the tank. Also might need to open up valve covers and see if you got anything weird going on in there..
Also, another thing I remembered. Holding the engine hold button the bottom right one make sure it sends the governor fully out and springs back when you let go. That's putting the engine in full rack position at starting.
Spent most of my 20 years with fighters and transports so never used an ACE.
70 sets for you then haha .. 😆
Those are breakers not fuses and push the lever forward To release and rear to engage clutch. Must have power to panel to operate all solenoid on the engine for fuel cut off.
Thank you for your service Hank 👍
When I was in the Air Force, we used very similar units for cooling systems while we were doing function checks. I'm going to guess this was used for a larger plane, like a B-52, B-1, or something similar. Could it have been used for what you suggested? Absolutely. Thank you for your service.
Love you guys thanks so much for your vids x
Thank you very much. We appreciate you
Hank on that governor box on top is a solenoid that is air actuated. You can't bypass that because it is part of the safety kill switch to shut it down if it overheats, low oil pressure, or stops charging while it runs. You won't have any smoke out of the exhaust until you have fuel to the injectors. The air solenoid on top of the governor will hold it in the OFF position, hence holding the buttons for 15 seconds. That way the oil pressure comes up and the volts... then you can release it because it will be operating on its own. Can't wait to meet you sometime
I got faith in you guys if anyone can do it you and Wylie can
Hank, you may perform a short cut by getting a larger volume air compressor and plumb it directly to the starter. Just make sure to use an air valve so you can "cut" the air once it starts. Get an air line quick release or a union and and plumb it direct into the blue (supply line to starter)line. Volume is the key on this project, you want that starter pinion to release once it starts and not get hung up on the fly wheel if the little bit of air being supplied is just enough to keep it engaged once the ol Detroit kicks over.
The perfect video for a cold Tuesday night up here in New England. Thank you for the fun video!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for your service brother
You bet. Thank you
A challenging job for you guys. Air starters have a unique sound. That lower tap on the tank is a bleed valve for moisture, I think. Happy 2023. (Sorry I haven't commenting much. busy with work and watching NYDrains, Kempinger and Drain addict sewer blockage video's) I think the air pressure is still too low.
OMG, hooked the battery up backwards and it smoked... wow. it was an amazing bit of kit, sorry you had trouble.
They actually use the ac cart for the avionics bay, you can use the acft ac packs on the ground with the apu. We also use the ac cart while working in areas the get really hot.
Hey Hamilton farms yo have the clutch engaged pulling the handle towards the compressor engaged it you need to push it towards the engine to disengage the clutch
Hey! That 20 amp "fuse" is actually a circuit breaker!! Push it IN to turn on. This is a standard aircraft type breaker, and it works as a switch also; pull it out to turn the circuit off. You may have destroyed it when you pulled on it with pliers. Try shorting out the two screws on the back of it. The engine is indeed a 6V92T or TT turbocharged engine, probably around 350 HP and 1700--1800 RPM, although in some situations, it can be run at 2300. I had one in my bus motorhome, and it was excellent. The air cylinders on the governor are most likely for a fast idle setup. In that application, it sets the engine to a predetermined RPM, which is governed at that speed. The long cyl is for speed setting (screws in where the buffer screw was) and one on top of the governor blocks the throttle when in fast idle mode. In normal configuration, the starter is on the right hand side of the engine, as seen from the fan end.
I'm glad you came across one I had experience with. By the way, R134a is the current gas for mobile equipment.
I think he broke the breaker. They don't like pliers.
When a Detroit is right they will start very quickly. I had a 12V/71 in my boat I would just bump the starter button, like you bump a key while typing, an a second later the engine would roar to life. I have an 8V/71 in my bus conversion and it is the same.
An 8 Volt battery on a 12 Volts system, great quote. More air is needed. Check the fuel pump solenoid is open so fuel is going through. You will get it going for sure.
I miss the air starters.... Hope they make a comeback.... Thx for sharing
The R model Macks used by the Australian Army up until recently were all air start, and they where built in the mid/late 80's. That starter is going to need the tank to be charged to somewhere around 120PSI. That compressor should have an regulator on it that can be turned up to 110PSI (there will be a safety valve) or so. It should be able to charge the air system, It might just take a little time to fill is all.
And here we have today, a BIG welcome to the Gardening Program brought to you by Billy and Bob the Odd Job men, no matter how tall, or how big if its weeds we can take the job on.. OOPPS wrong programme Its a will it start again..LOL.. Thanks for the smiles you send way across the pond.. Ian-UK
By bypassing the control air to the starter and shutting off valve on top the side air tank you are preventing the front tank @9:19 to fill up thus having a small volume of air. I would suggest that you remove that union on the control air line and install a quarter turn valve instead that will act as your "starter switch", then that will allow you to have those big 1" valves open.
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That’s it
Good job and God bless yall
20 odd year's ago they had Mack semi truck's that had air start, if they had no air in the tanks they would let their tyres drain into the tank and start the engine then pump up their tyres again, all the best to yous and your loved ones
Can't blame you guys for trying. You never give up. Great content I love watching you guys. God bless
Enjoyed the video fellas. Y'all almost had it. God bless
Rule number one of starting a 2-Stroke Detroit Diesel is to remove the valve covers and check the fuel rack to ensure that “The Rack” / “Injectors” are not frozen/stuck. If you have injectors stuck shut it will never start and if you have injectors stuck open the damn thing can run away from you. Additionally you need to ensure the blower flap is not tripped and the air cutoff flap works properly additionally on a startup of a Detroit that has been sitting it is a good idea to pull the air filters or hose between the air filters and the blower so that a board can be placed over it to choke the engine down while you are shutting the fuel valves off because rarely have I ever seen a board over the engine air inlet choke an engine out. With regards to the Air Starter you need to fill the air tanks to 120 pounds of air, all accessories need to be disengage ( i.e the A/C compressor clutch needs to be disengage) the fuel filters need to be full. This is a DDEC (Electronic controlled) engine so it you need to have battery voltage to run the ECU. It has been nearly 30 years since I fooled with air starter on DD and then it was a pair of early 80’s 8v71’s in a boat that was rigged up to spin the air starter off a CO2 bottle or the air storage tank on the boat on the port engine and start the start board engine from the port engine or it’s air starter. If you believe you do not have enough air try getting a CO2 or Nitrogen bottle with a regulator like is used to run air tools or a truck/piece of equipment with air brakes because that is what normally fills the air tank on trucks that used air starters. If you can’t figure this out I would suggest trying to contact Ole2Stroker or the BusGreaseMonkey
G'day guys.
I live in a rural district and have an older Stihl FS90 which does a great job on most stuff including blackberries.
Now I also have an FSA130 battery operated unit which is at least as good and I bought the big backpack battery which can keep it running for up to five hours or so on low power.
It is nearly silent, doesn't create smelly toxic exhaust and starts at the mere squeeze of the trigger every, time which is great for older blokes like me.
It has variable power output and other than initial outlay is as cheap as it gets to run, doesn't need to be winterized and is almost as easy as drinking a soda to replace the line.
I also have a battery operated Stihl lawn mower and chain saw which are 'the bees knees' too.
They can all use the same battery and are equally easy to use and inexpensive to operate!
I know it reads like an advert but I assure you it is not, I am merely enthusiastic about Stihl gear because it is so good and was pleased to see you bought Stihl.
Rub a little dirt in that cut LOL. One place I worked in Canada there was an air starter truck, we didn't shut it off in the winter outside. Sounds like air leaking somewhere when you try to crank so not all air going to starter
Man I hope you guys come back to it soon! I was hoping it would start! 🍀🤞🏼
I can tell you from my experience working on shrimp boats with Detroit and the very same manner I would check to make sure that the fuel rack is not stuck before I crank that engine any faster than y’all have rolled it over and the air starters gonna be a little bit more challenging y’all got the right idea but definitely gonna need a lot more air Those motors like to turn over fast and quite a few revolutions before they actually fire
maybe rent a compressor like they use for jack hammers and stuff we use those for blowing out lawn sprinklers in the fall and they flow a ton of CFM the downside is even with all that CFM you have that tiny fitting to fill the tank which would cut the flow
you guys need a horse trailer to make into a toolbox. Low to the ground and you can lock them up. Worked great back when I was very young. Happy Thanksgiving🍗🍖🦃🦃
That’s cool
@@Hfoutdoorsyt It will be IF yuou can get that rig running!
It turns so priming everything and using some ether to get it to pop would have to work. Our Navy ones did not have that feature.
you lads have saved my winter blues
That has to be the cleanest engine on this channel oh it gorge of the jungle
For sure
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That is definitely an interesting setup when I was at the mines we had a white it had a air starter and we always had at least $130 PSI and that system to make it operate good luck
i use the O lights on my channel as well , they are handy.
Is there a compressor on that engine that may be run by the battery? You would think there would be a way to charge the air tank as part of the system,
Good to see you two gentlemen hope you and your families are doing great
PEACE ☮️
Now I see why I come to repair calls and find half of the machine taken apart for no reason, I cant find anything wrong at all except for the bad starter switch! To where Id disconnect and short the wires together to control it.
Air start in '99. My uncle said these air starts were a PIA in the 60's/70's, no wonder the USAF auctioned this off. None the less all the best with it. Too bad Ole2stroker didn't live closer. And thanks for your service Sir.
Thank you for your service Hank.. enjoy your videos tell wally don't be so grumpy 😂
I would offer some suggestions but I have no idea of how it works. Lol. Enjoyed this video Hank and Wiley. Looking forward to the return visit.
Lol. Me neither. But it sure is fun
Hey the stuff u guys do ..is amazing
I think you're on the right track as far as needing more air pressure... I know we have other pieces of age equipment that I've used over the years... That had the ignition hold switch... That you had to hold until the engine was running then release... So not sure if that'll be part of the no, ignition portion as well...
It doesn't make any difference taking the belts off or leaving them on it's all got to turn anyway but you do need more air
Ingersoll rand air starter....needs a alotta volume..and a good prime in the injectors....fire right up
one thing i know about air start is , they operate like an air impact gun , and if they ar dry inside they wont turn as good since the oil will help seal up the vanes , thays why air tools recommend oil every day
Did I just watch the comedy hour, y'all sure crack me up. Great show. Cheers from Jacksonville Florida 🌞
Having owned some air start trucks back in the 80's I can tell you 55 0r 60 PSI isn't enough even on a good warm day. Normal operating pressure in the air starter tank was 120 PSI. Not sure if that vertical tank you are charging is actually the air starter tank, The lines look too small. Usually there are two tanks on these systems with a check valve in the line between them
Love watching you guys.. I'm sure glad you didn't call that a string trimmer. Never saw them trim strings. But they sure can't eat the out of weeds
A Hardee's biscuit? I haven't had one of those in about 23 years, when I lived in Mississippi. It was George Of The Jungle from back in the 60s, I think.🤔
WE used to stop at Hardees when we hit I- 26 going to the SC Catitol for building sand early in the morning. Nothing like a couple of chicken biscuits and some coffee and diesel fumes.
You an Wiley can do it love all y'all's video tell y'all's family I said hellow take care buddy
Thank you sir
Hank and Whilley that was really great never miss a video thank you for sharing and your time air who new 👌
Thank you sir
That Silver 6v92 is a keeper!
Hank and Wiley awesome video. Hank we definitely need a part 2 buddy appreciate you buddy 👍
Well... We know that Detroit isn't locked up seeing the pulleys turn, those old air starters are awesome! Keep the videos coming guys!
1st clue it's air start was the 12 gauge wires on the battery. I love them air starters.
You guys are cool quoting the old school songs
If you could get a semi close to that thang you can come off the air tank of it to your air tank if you know someone that will let you borrow there rig also maybe try to get the solinoid working and do your reserch on the air valves. Thats my pro tip Good luck Guys.
Gorge Gorge, Gorge of the jungle. A cartoon from way back. Opening line in the cartoon Gorge swinging threw the trees . Watch out for that tree
Check the solenoid sticking half open. Add some pneumatic oil to air motor intake. Rust could foul it up!
Did load on engine clutch out proper? A/C compressor BIG load.
"Watch out for that tree!!!!!!" George, George, George of the Jungle !!!!!
Thanks for another great video.
It was interesting and enjoyable.
Appreciate all your efforts. Just not going to fire up. Has something to do with the air start.
Might an old military person be able to help.
Thanks for what you did.
Take care.
The Iowa farm boy
Thank you sir
All right Hank and Wally I used to run a worked at a company that had two or three four air starts you have to get it up to 120 lb if you don't it's not going to spend fast enough and they were V8 they were in Fords if you can get a tractor in there where you can hook up an airline to it on your service line and hook a connector to it to hook to the tank that should build up enough pressure to start that thing up all right this is Bob from Vero Beach Florida God bless and have a great day and please stay safe
Maxwell house coffee, good to the last drop!
i know at times you looking for someone to reach out to with questions this guy works on alot of stuff .. very smart guy ..you should check him out (western truck and tractor repair) he gets it done i'd bet he can help with the air starter
The best part of waking up is Folger's in your cup. Go Mark Martin 👏
Lol. Good ole MM
I have a old transit bus with a 6v92 detroit in it.. it has a air starter.. i bought it sight unseen. Owner passed away. Has a air starter.. seem cool. But what a pain in the butt.. spin maybe two or 3 revs before out of air.
I would take a jug..12v electric pump..pre prime fuel system.. if they dont fire in like 2 revs.. pain waiting on air to build.. from my understanding.. guys at mines and and places with alot of machines with air starters.. mechanics go around.. start them and run them on ether.. keep feeding ether till pull fuel and run on own.. that or have nasty air compressor to feed air tank that supplies starter
Excellent video Hank :) , Wiley :) also on Weed Waker if using Sthil orange and White should get head had 3 pivot plastic knifes be changed also love it too ! Also knifes go for lots use before changes why say use them my uncle had on Weed Waker STHL brand of Orange and White to do trimmed on Cementry grave around stones placed were people buried too also around homestead too for trimmed weeds plus more too! You check in that unit and parts you be amazing how works too! Thank you for your Service in Army and Air Force Hank !
great effort
Great Video Guys !! Looking forward too the next video.. 👍
Thank you
Watching you now good morning from South East England 🇬🇧
Another great video Hank and Wiley! thank you for serving our country Hank!
You’re welcome. Thank you
@@Hfoutdoorsyt it's a airstart motor
I'm curious about that blue handle is for on the control panel. Seen these handles many times on air and water systems. Definitely a volume problem, but anyway looks like fun.
Since that system has sat dormant for several years maybe a bit of air tool oil should be added to the air line going to the starter to loosen and lube thing up?
use a aircompressor designed for filling scuba tanks. these can reach about 120 psi. it will take some time but it'l work.
Interesting video and lots of great comments below. BUT, how about Googling the make and model number for an operation or service manual. There is really good chance you could RTFM, Read the Fine Manual. Well, some folks use a different word for the 'F'.
Anything military has to have a set of manuals. You could have wiring diagrams and step by step instructions.
The starter tank needs to be aired up and it should turn it over if you've got the air valve open from the tank. When I started the truck with unsuspecting people standing around it would startle most of them because it sounded like a giant air gun
It is a snap over center clutch
We had air starters on our Osh Kosh / GM R 11s fuel trucks , not only used to start the vehicle but it also filled the air ride suspension .
It runs good
Love the music on your channel
Thank you
@@Hfoutdoorsyt The videos are also great👍👍
run 12v to the air start solenoid (hotwire it) done. power to fuel cut off solenoid should help
not picking on you, sharing experience. All a solenoid needs is power, remove power when not needed
Does it have a compression release?
Hank, you really took charge with the weedeater and chainsaw, wow!!
You need to pull off the valve covers and make sure you don't have any stuck injectors. If you do you'll have a run-away when it starts!
I would think hearing the air rush out of that air starter that the blades unit are stuck back with standing. I would pop the air line off the starter and drop some air gun oil in it and give some very low air pressure to blow the oil deep into the motor then leave stand while compressor fills the tank up. I would think it would fit you then
I was thinking the same thing. My buddy had an air lug nut gun that wouldn't perform any useful work, turns out he never oiled it for the 20 years he owned it and said it was always a junk tool. I dumped a bit of oil in the tool and let it rip a few time and oh what a nasty rust slime that came out. But it did work correctly after some oil to lube up the internals.
@@michaelrauff734 it sounds very much like the air starter is gummed up with sticky old oil, by putting some fresh oil in the air in pipe will save you having to pull it apart. Once you pull them apart there never right unless you rebuild them with new parts. But there seems to be a lot of air going in and no power and lots of air rushing out to me. It’s more than likely it’s all stuck up inside the thick old oil does not allow the blades to pop out and reseal so the air forces them back as it rushes past them. A good shot of atf or similar thin oil would help free it up or if you have at hand some air tool oil that would also work well.
You're talking CFM to run one of them. Air starters you need about 300 CFM at about 90 psi. I've been around some older Cummins engines that were like that so you guys were right. You just need something like one of them. Big industrial type units that runs an air hammer
I believe the second tank at the front of the machine needs to be filled with air too, I think that'a what the other valve is for and if the panel was working it would dump air from both tanks and get the engine cranked over
Interesting. Didn’t think about that
Yepy thoughts exactly both valves need to be thrown. Need to put a valve on solinoid line y'all by passed close it then throw both the valves on blue line. Then use smaller line to throw the "bendex".
Love those Detroit diesel engines, can't wait to hear it make music, and I'll catch ya on the next one
Awesome morning guys hope yall have an awesome day ! An interesting piece of equipment !!!! I think the guy just wanted yall to weed eat his place !!!!! Lol !!!!! Awesome adventure as always !!! Headed into work now will see yall later !!!!
Make sure vent open on starter. Air starter spins faster than electric and they starte better
you need to talk to mel gibson, he got that tanker in the desert to start up straight away....
when your air drill slows down, you squirt wd40 down the air hose, + it speeds up, you gunna need a big tin for that one...
if all else fails, i bet you can get an electric starter to fit in place
keep up the good work chaps
Yeah the better option is the electric starter
@@Hfoutdoorsyt just remembered johnathon W has air starter on one of his trucks, he's a canny lad
@@paulriggers1558 I enjoy @jonathan w s videos!
Yall are so funny love yalls channel I watch all your videos keep up the good work
Thank you Pat
U guys definitely need a small enclosed trailer with gas air compressor and a tool set up and a generator so u have a battery charger and all the good stuff
Great video ❤❤❤❤, From Tennessee 🌹