It’s why I just bought an 05 V-10 Excursion and 06 8.1L Suburban from down south. Not only completely rust free, but SIMPLE to work on. It’s as new as I will go ANYMORE.
@@sorryociffer Same here! My main vehicle is an '06 Dodge 3500 with the 5.9 Cummins, manufactured 3 months from the switch to the 6.7, with which came twice as many wires, computers, DEF fluid, and DPF filter. And it is my last truck! I will never own a newer truck. I live in AZ, and have been spinning wrenches my entire life. This truck can easily be made to last longer than the number of years I have left. There is no truck currently on the market the same can be said about. Every single thing available today is disposable. And the main reason is electronics.
I bought a Challenger new in 2010. Today it has over 360,000 miles. Still runs, and gets compliments. It still sold well and as far as I'm concerned it was a well built car. It was a timeless classic.
I've been saying for years that we need a return of stripper models. Cars I mean. Im so sick of the unnecessary technology. And im not alone. Less is more
Last time I checked even the cheapest of new econo boxes available today comes standard with power windows,locks and mirrors plus all the modern features new cars have including an infotainment screen. No physical key but a key fob. Even the “fleet optioned”(Charger pursuit)vehicles have power accessories/screens. It would be refreshing to have the option to buy something simple with 75% manual controls like what you could get in the 80s-early 2000s. I know a manual transmission is likely not happening but it would be nice.
@@FrankTimms-cs5hlwould be nice for sure but nobody wants that Like you said AC,power windows/lock,abs, traction control,12 air bag and giant ipad infotainment system are all the norm and gazillion HP with a small unreliable turbo engine Manual are doom because you can have a DTC that shift 0.2 second faster going to work in a traffic jam lol what a joke To my knowledge road are not drag strip or road course I want to enjoy my car not my car doing everything for me Imagine today engine tech in a 1995 2200lbs civic that would get incredible gaz mileage a brand new one weight 2935lbs
It would be nice to have a basic inexpensive car option. 20+ years ago most manufacturers offered a budget / basic option. I never thought I would miss those vehicles.
Strangely, they excel on the drag strip, right where the die hard gassers hang out; but EV's also excel in the gridlock of major cities, right where they have the most political support; so they have a place and a roll. We need a decade more at least of plug in hybrid development with smaller and smaller IC-Engines before EV's become competitive outside the biggest cities. We should have had a decade where the average hybrid IC Engine was under 10 hp before making a major move to EV's
I remember seeing something about a briggs and stratton car. I want to say it was a hybrid with a 16 Hp motor. It was a concept car of course but they built one.
@@thisandthataboutcarstoolsa8659 It was on the Jay Leno Channel, and well done. 40 years of development on that and we would be in a pretty good place.
The only reason to buy one now is if you always wanted you know it is now or never . The only good thing about is that other manufacturers have ones that are even worse.
Exactly been waiting a long time now to see who would be the first one that I saw to mention the centennial of the great Chrysler corporation you're it. good job! Crickets , otherwise . Amazing! What gives? Says a lot nowadays.. Cudas (kudos) to you!
What made MoPar MoPar was the collective intellect and daring of Walter Chrysler and his three top engineers, Zeder, Breer and Skelton. Together, they bucked the industry by placing truth and function above guesswork and whimsy. They made successful cars no one else would have, and advanced the industry like no one else. They’d be shocked by the state of Chrysler and Dodge, and pity the lack of courage, imagination, and just plain common sense. America, you blew it up. @@bill90405
@@therusyn Dodge's centennial was 10 years ago. Just as Ford named car each series after a letter of the alphabet, so did Dodge. You may have even ridden in or driven one of their most famous letter series cars, the Dodge M Cars. These were the early electric-powered Dodges, not the Electro-Bats. You can still find working examples that you can experience at places like Cedar Pointe Amusement Park. As you would expect, these Dodge M Cars had advanced technology, including 10 mph bumpers AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE VEHICLE. They also had safety belts, that's right, safety belts, decades before they were mandated by the federal government. I'm sure that these and other Dodge letter-series cars made a big impression on Walter Chrysler, because even though he had only recently started the Plymouth division of Chrysler, when the Dodge Brothers company became available after Horace and John had passed away, he added Dodge as a division of Chrysler.
What’s crazy is if Dodge ditched all of their electronics and “extras” like he is advocating for, their reliability and durability would improve 10,000% and be market leading.
Go read the Wikipedia entry for the Electrobat car. Dodhe had zero to do with it. Dodge was not founded until 6 years after the Electrobat was made. 1894 and 1900. There were only about 12 in New York (not a thousand) and they did not compete with horse drawn carriages at the time. Tony is just so very inaccurate here.
Ram should sell a reg cab short bed 2wd 1500 with a standard 392 along with a Hellcat and Redeye HO option. Then give it some 3:91 or 4:10 gears, lower it a few inches and give it a performance suspension with a cool name. Give it a standard work truck interior with an option to load it up if you wanted. It would be awesome. You can buy this truck at Ford right now with their dealer installed supercharger option with their 5.0 anyway you want. A stripper reg cab 2wd work truck all the way up to a 4x4 crew cab.
About 10 years ago they sold the Ram Hemi Express that was a no frills Hemi powered truck with painted bumpers grille for $20k (2wd) and $25k (4x4 quad cab).
I don't think it would sell that good. Performance trucks weren't really as popular as it seem to be. The best idea was when Ford came out with the raptor. Dodge could do that(TRX does exist). However they need to make it affordable with variable options for all scales of customers.
As much as I like the idea of a new stripper, it would be a sales disaster as only a select few 60+ year old baby boomers like me would buy it and result in little profit made per unit. Similarly Ram, GM, & Ford do offer stripper 1/2 ton work trucks with potent optional engines but sell very few. Most folks today want luxury appointments and the younger generation is into advanced technology and demand that in their vehicles. Manufacturers are more than willing to comply as it's the sale of loaded vehicles filling the coffers.
@@johnmcmullen456 I agree with you about the younger generation wanting lots of technology in their vehicles and luxury but they don't know any different. If they set behind the wheel of the 68 Roadrunner they might think differently. And plus you got to think of the price. Luxury vehicles are very expensive
We have people who can't change a tire, making the rules and decisions. I heard some clown from the EPA talking about the new MPG standards. He said they were making good jobs.
I would rather they brought back the Dart. With a slant six, roll up windows, ash tray & AM FM radio. OH! & a CARBURETOR! No computer & as few wires as possible. Thank you.
This is just stupid talk. It would never pass emissions requirements. I for one remember wee how the skies over cities looked before we had smog laws. It wasn't pretty. Los Angeles used to have Smog days where school children weren't allowed outside for recess or PE. I have no desire to return to that.
@@professorginz2379Is it any better now? No matter how good it gets, it's never good enough. The first Spanish explorers found the LA basin to be filled with Native American campfire smoke.
Tony you’re right there is a segment of us who don’t want special gadgets and doodads doubling the cost of a vehicle. I bought my 2500 Ram with as few options as I could get away with. It’s a truck, I don’t need to be pampered or anything, I need to haul shit around.
Wrong people are pushing federal subsidies, which is the main reason they are pushing EV’s. The emissions debacle was corrected decades ago, but they dropped it. Ethanol produces zero HC, zero CO, zero NOx, and it produces the SAME amount of CO2 that it took to blend it so it’s CO2 content is neutral. You can’t get any cleaner than that. Same cannot be said with lithium batteries, which not only pollute the environment when making them, but also cause a huge problem when it comes to disposing them when they go bad. It’s sad when you have the wrong people in charge.
Not entirely true. Ethanol with any presence of gasoline is generally worse for NOx... E100 does produce very little NOx *if* you have severely retarded spark, it's close to if not more than gasoline if you run quite advanced spark for the added performance Ethanol gives you. It also still produces CO2 (albeit about half of gasoline last I checked). The main problem is that higher ethanol content fuels produce significantly more Acetaldehyde than gasoline, which is a carcinogen to humans in the local area (and is reactive for ground level ozone formation i.e. smog that settles in cities/valleys/etc)
No one (well not as many) wants new cars! They've become too invasive, too technical, too disposable. They've become so integrated any small failure is so expensive it's often to much to repair.
The only thing in your idea I don't want is the electric part. Batteries are heavy which is just a hurdle to performance and I don't want to have anything to do with ev's.
I get what you're saying about the battery but I don't think it's an actual issue. I recently drove a friend's Model 3 Performance & it will annihilate pretty much anything in existence from stoplight to stoplight. I'm no tree hugger but the EVs easily overcome the weight of the battery.
@@donhill1825 I really don't care how fast they are either. All it means if you use that power is you are going to be sitting around charging it for an hour or so. And then if it gets cold you aren't going very far, or should I say much less far than normal.
@@jlsracing997 Wasn't your original criticism that the battery itself is a hurdle to performance?...The charging piece is only an issue if you plan on driving a couple hundred miles a day. If you do, EV's aren't for you. Most people charge at home overnight. The friend in question lives in the cold Northeast we drove in freezing weather, the car got us where we needed to go for the day & we had a blast doing it. These EV's are quick as Hell & get 100mpge. They fit really well into most people's lives. At a certain point the criticisms start to sound like "I'll never drive a horse-less carriage, you can't even feed it hay & oats!"
How about combining the technology from the turbine car? Use a turbine to generate electricity for the motors and a small battery pack? That would really get people talking! It would also sound awesome, not faked sound effects.
Get rid of the power adjusted seats too, damn things weigh about 100 pounds each. Dodge’s biggest problem is Lee Iacocca has gone to the great beyond, RIP Chrysler and Mr. Iacocca.
The battery alone cost $25,000, since we have to import the materials for it we have no control over that cost. That's one reason EV's are failing. Dodgers needs to go back to combustible engines. Put a displacement V8 in it. It's 25 miles to 30 on the highway. No frills call it good 35 grand.
I saw a news story on TH-cam of some guy who bought an EV of the Oriental favor. He ran over something that damaged the battery and the insurance company ended up totaling the car due to the cost of the battery.
Mid to late 90s cars were really good. Computers were fairly limited to running the engine. No ABS and computers to measure drivers sweat and pulse. I enjoy my 2020 Fusion and 2018 Taurus ... but the comparative simplicity of my 99 Mustang is a breath of fresh air. One computer. Extremely analogue HVAC. No screens. 6 dials on the dash. Perfection was achieved in late 90s automotive simplicity.
It's been trash since the 60s, the Challenger/charger of the last gen were the only ones that held up(according 5o Consumer Reports) so you are kinda right, and kinda wrong
@@cromBumny Modern dodges have always had sketchy electronics/electrical systems and mediocre transmissions. The drivetrains were their only salvation (the non Mitsubishi ones). Dodge has NEVER gotten a hand on corrosion resistance. My god, on a quiet night you can hear one rust. I see soooo many newer dodge trucks that are ASTONISHINGLY full of rust.
@@cromBumny Eh, having completely rebuilt the suspension and brakes on my mom's '11 Charger, I disagree on them being reliable. I've replaced parts that on older gens held up 3x the miles. At least the transmission has held up. So far.
Two things, one, I Never heard of a Dodge Hornet till this video. Two, I love the Challenger. I love the way they took the look of a classic Challenger and updated it like Ford did with the Mustang.
hey now not every coder does it like that. and believe me most coders who know their shit if it was up to them would rather have a car with unlocked firmwares to mess around with as they see fit.
@lasskinn474 Well, here's a problem with what you wrote, "to mess with firmware as YOU/THEY see fit". Humans are inherently faulted in their nature, and to mess with vehicle firmware could cause many deaths because of an outside force whose controlling the vehicle without the occupants' knowledge. I don't agree with programmers acting as gods, and that's with a little g.
It was Cadillac that invented the electric starter. And yes, before that women were not strong enough to start the car on their own. Virtually all women, and older men as well had really no choice but electric
@@cutl00senc The point is....both existed and were in use at the same time before the electric starter improved the lives of every driver and made the IC engine the ubiquitous choice.
Tony, as an electrical engineer, I am certain there in no getting rid of software and computers in vehicles today for everything from energy management to emissions controls to safety systems. That reality is even more concrete in EVs. The energy stored in cells must be monitored and managed if you don’t want to get yourself or your garage in an inferno one day. That said: 1. I won’t purchase an EV car for a multiplicity of reasons. 2. I prefer analog interfaces as old school as possible. 3. ICE can be made to be efficient and reliable and serviceable IF those are the design criteria. 4. We should aim for modest design evolution towards higher reliability rather than design revolution that produces novel, but unreliable outcomes. 5. Safety must always trump novelty and “green revolutions.”
2 old Dodges in the garage and 3 Acuras in the driveway. I wanted to embrace modern Dodge but I can't forgive Daimler for giving us hope and then tossing us to the curb only to be acquired by a capital management company (Cerebus, really, c'mon). Then Fiat? Now the current conglomerate? Shaking my head. I'll never again know the company that built my dad's 66 Coronet and my 74 Charger.
automakers always made their profits off selling the options. but yes, today we are spoiled, an economy car has more options than my 1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 (no AC, power seats or windows, etc) and the average consumer honestly won't settle for less. they'll sign up for a payment plan instead so they can keep up with the Joneses.
The only Hornet I ever heard of was by AMC. I didn't even know there was a new Hornet. BTW, when a company bases its business model on a pack of lies in an attempt to appease a tyrant's agenda, no wonder Dodge is failing.
There was a Hudson Hornet too. My Dad was a big AMC fan but also liked Hudson, Studebaker and a few other car manufacturers that don't exist anymore. He died in February of '81 and I don't think he would like anything that is offered to us now.
There was also a Hornet made by Hudson, back in the '50s. What they are calling a Hornet today is actually an Alpha Romeo. One of the most unreliable cars ever made.
After a Dart Swinger, Coronet Super Bee, 340 Challenger, and an Omni GLH I just can't get behind the current plan, but I would consider Tony's idea. Please don't let Dodge die before I do!
Maybe not through Stellantis, but there are probably enough goodies currently in the parts stream for the average wrench to make it happen. I’ll never switch to EV, but to each their own.
I heard they are still going to put the big hemi engines in trucks and suv. Personally I think they saved the wrong Mopar and we could have had Plymouth Cudas instead of Dodge Challenger.
I remember when Davy Fryburger tried to start the "muscle truck" movement for all the non-blue collar guys and non farmers who didn't know trucks already came with big engines. It seems more and more, the only factory hot rod potential left, is going to be trucks (again, like the Lil Red in 1978). Depending on the cruise nights in your area, you may have already spotted one or two SUV owners figuring out these are the new luxurious performance vehicles.
Only heavy duty (2500) and up. Hemi is done in half ton trucks, it's also gone from all SUVs, I believe 2024 is the last year for it in the Wagoneer, and the Durango will have it until production ends soon
I rented both a challenger and charger last summer. I really enjoyed those cars. So nostalgic and even though they weren’t like there predecessors, they felt tough and ballsy. They’re a bit expensive now, so I settled for a 2004 Grand Marquis. I love the feel and look of the older cars. I’d seriously consider a car like you describe.
Tony you're 100% right. Dodge Chrysler Plymouth let's build those cars again like we grew up with, people want something that they can recognize and understand. Let's see a satellite, how about a Coronet. Let's build a cheaper version, used the charger platform just rebadge . People will buy it, just make it simpler, just give so the choice !
I love Mopar, and I will always have at least a few classic Mopars around, but I defected to Subaru about 20 years ago for daily driver and I've never looked back.
those who hate the WRX haven't driven one. I'm not a giant fan of turbo FWD 4 bangers (owned a 1986 turbo t bird--no guts below 3,000 rpm but sure rode nice), but the AWD takes care of the torque steer and trying to put down more than 300hp at the front wheels without stiffening up the rear coils.
I remember a conversation I had with the owner of Larry Griffiths LO Dart. He was THE man responsible for bringing back the HEMI and Chrysler Engineer, now retired. It was men like him that can pull them out of the rut and catastrophic downfall of over engineered computers on wheels.
Sadly, most people, including Tony, are completely missing the point of what this looming EV mandate is really about. it's not about pollution, it's not about so-called "global warming" or finding alternative sources of energy, etc. etc. What is the point? The EV mandate is just Stage 1 in eliminating private passenger transportation. The car manufacturers know that, so their focus isn't going to be on creating specialty low-run types like a strippo with specific high performance aspirations. They're going to ruthlessly pare down their offerings to just a few models which share a maximum amount of design, parts and service components in order to make the cheaply and profitably, because within the next two decades the days of individuals buying or leasing then driving their own vehicle will be only a memory.
Sounds like a good idea...only problem is knuckle-heads like me would burn through a set of tires in a week 😂but just think how cool those skidmarks would look!
This would be an interesting concept for a Dart. I'd also see this having a more mundane counterpart with a single lower power motor and a smaller battery but with all of the other cost and weight savings applies. The cheap economy commuter with the monster alter ego.
One of the fired engineers said Stellantis outsourced their positions to India, Mexico, and Brazil. Perhaps penalizing outsourcing should be considered. As for these expensive vehicles not selling well…the media in Michigan is going crazy with reports of huge numbers of new F-150’s being stored in about a dozen different locations. Ford mentioned something about quality control issues. On the electric vehicle front, instead of searching for charging stations or wasting time waiting for the battery to fill, China now has swappable battery stations.
@@lasskinn474 I didn't say Dodge is an American company. I said to save an American company with this thinking. Everybody knows the history - Fiat, etc
You are a analogic guy in a digital world. I see you trying to be part of this EV thing. I'm trying too but whithout hope. Big fan from Brazil. Cheers!
Their downfall was their quest to not only make us pay more for less but to also monitor and control our lives with every part that was designed to fail early. The dealerships wanted in on the fun too so they would mark up the prices of parts and even create more problems each time you let them put their thieving hands on your vehicle. If they announced tomorrow that they would take your advice and build such a car, I would be very doubtful of its road worthiness and durability. I say let them go down with their own bullet riddled ship and make way for the honest working man to offer us a new start.
I think the new charger looks bad ass!!! It looks like they took lots of cues from the 68 body style. I think it's much better than the 4 door crew cab charger!!! They went to drastic to fast with the battery all in. They need gas engines still and follow Uncle Tony's advice.
This entire video is just like a car enthusiasts wet dream for a non-viable commercial vehicle. I love your ideas, it's just I don't believe they will ever happen :( Please Tim Dodge, listen to this man, he's right.
Chrysler Corp terminally pissed me off in 1983 over what I considered mistreatment over a Plymouth Reliant. Since then I have never bought any vehicle from them and never will. That said like Tony I am saddened to see a company that I cheered for most of my life go to pot. I still have two older Plymouths I really enjoy driving. I still wish them well but I doubt it will matter.
Finally, somebody talking sense. I absolutely despise new technology vehicles touchscreens, anti collision, automatic braking , cars that park themselves, nonsense.
I agree. I don't dislike ev cars. But they aren't gonna work how we are set up for. BUT... This would be a cool car. The price is the most important. I feel like the price would be such a relief for anybody right now, hell a dirt bike cost like 12k now.
I hear what you're saying, but that idea would never work today. People have become accustomed to toys in their vehicles; there's no market for a basic car with no frills, they don't sell
Helpless Mopar fan here as well. Had many Cordobas and two 1975 Chargers. All procured cheaply, as they had been stopped dead, by the dreaded Electronic Lean Burn ignition system. Il learned to bring a carb, ignition system, and distributor with me. Wish they were that easy to bypass today. I miss my Cordoba! The 75 Charger, not so much
Other than its crash safety, I still like my Geo Metros. Some have done mods to get 70 mpg, but 60 mpg is cheap and easy. I think a 900 cc Kubota swap could get 85 mpg and use biodiesel - the older 3 cylinder diesels like veggie oil. The economy of the old car is no monthly payments and easy DIY maintenance - $35 tires. Who would have thought that disposable cars could last 40 years? A Metro basically has a heavier version of a cruiser motorcycle engine, makes about the same power as a Honda Fury which is intentionally lazy for reliability.
well americans don't even know what a honda jazz is. or a honda city(it's what civic was now that civic is an accord, jazz is what civic was before that basically). a lot of it is that when things are good americans want to buy that big expensive luxury crapola. bmw doesn't even sell the lower end more economic models in usa at all. like 80% of stellantis cars are "too small" or "too poors" for usa, it could sell in usa if they actually tried to sell it.
Here lies the problem with the big three. They don't listen to the consumer. The top brass always believes they know what we want and get it wrong time and time again. You're 100% correct but they won't listen, the machine is in control, so distruction is inevitable!! It doesn't take a genius to understand less is more, but when executives live in a vacuum this is what we get!!!
I interviewed Smokey Yunick the year before he passed. The topic of electric cars cme up. Smokey: "In 1959 we had electric vehicles down pat, and we were waiting on the Battery to finish the job. It's 2000, and we are still waiting on the battery".
No Electric Seats, no tire pressure relays, no electric gas pump, no electric windows , no electric fuel injection, no electric door locks, no electric starter simple and Fast 😮😎 and no electric AC/ heater Yes MOPAR!!! No fuel tank!
Who knew Uncle Tony was that into design? Because at lot of what he's talking about here gets to design and how these design decisions influence how we interact with cars -- the experience. And what Tony is advocating for is a design rooted in authenticity -- a form-follows-function, what you see is what you get ethos, where how you interact with something relates to its function (like wind-up windows). FWIW, I like that ethos too. And, or interesting to see the high end performance cars start to mirror some of that (albeit with some frippery or modernity mixed in). Think Singer 911 or the new 911 S/T or even the Ferrari 296, an 800 hp hybrid where the only screen replaces the instrument cluster.
Bang on Tony my first car was a 69 VF pacer no frills just a slant 6 3speed floor shift and bucket seats it was aimed at youth only options were power discs and heater car new was only 2400 Aus they do need to build basic fun again that you can work on yourself
I remember, in about 1992 , in Dunedin nz, seeing a VF Pacer getting around with a For Sale sign on it ,$3,500 ono , it was white with a red stripe and immaculate, yet another missed investment opportunity. What would it be worth now ??
@@mrozboss Very cool , what colour? . I've got my father's VH Ranger XL , It's been in the family since 1980, also have an AP6 Regal. My first car was an AP6 , manual trans , Regal interior.
My buddy just came back from Spring training. Dodger fan about 2 weeks ago. Right before he crossed the Arizona border coming back to San Diego. At a Carls Jr he told me 30 plugging stations there. Not one was plugged in nobody is buying them. 🤷♂️
This really hit home when Uncle Tony said I’ll miss ya Dodge. Man I pray Dodge and Chrysler can stick around. The automotive industry needs to just band together in mass non compliance with the epa and gov regulation BS.
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I agree. I'm ready for cars to stop being computers on wheels.
It’s why I just bought an 05 V-10 Excursion and 06 8.1L Suburban from down south. Not only completely rust free, but SIMPLE to work on. It’s as new as I will go ANYMORE.
@@sorryociffer Same here! My main vehicle is an '06 Dodge 3500 with the 5.9 Cummins, manufactured 3 months from the switch to the 6.7, with which came twice as many wires, computers, DEF fluid, and DPF filter. And it is my last truck! I will never own a newer truck. I live in AZ, and have been spinning wrenches my entire life. This truck can easily be made to last longer than the number of years I have left. There is no truck currently on the market the same can be said about. Every single thing available today is disposable. And the main reason is electronics.
Toyota made a new analog truck bare bones, too bad we can't buy them here
Never gonna happen. They can’t track and monitor you without a computer onboard.
Man! You are about forty seven years late to catch that boat!
I bought a Challenger new in 2010. Today it has over 360,000 miles. Still runs, and gets compliments. It still sold well and as far as I'm concerned it was a well built car. It was a timeless classic.
I've been saying for years that we need a return of stripper models. Cars I mean. Im so sick of the unnecessary technology. And im not alone. Less is more
Even the low priced cars have so many regulatory mandates that manufacturers lose money on them
Last time I checked even the cheapest of new econo boxes available today comes standard with power windows,locks and mirrors plus all the modern features new cars have including an infotainment screen.
No physical key but a key fob.
Even the “fleet optioned”(Charger pursuit)vehicles have power accessories/screens.
It would be refreshing to have the option to buy something simple with 75% manual controls like what you could get in the 80s-early 2000s.
I know a manual transmission is likely not happening but it would be nice.
@@FrankTimms-cs5hlwould be nice for sure but nobody wants that
Like you said AC,power windows/lock,abs, traction control,12 air bag and giant ipad infotainment system are all the norm and gazillion HP with a small unreliable turbo engine
Manual are doom because you can have a DTC that shift 0.2 second faster going to work in a traffic jam lol what a joke
To my knowledge road are not drag strip or road course
I want to enjoy my car not my car doing everything for me
Imagine today engine tech in a 1995 2200lbs civic that would get incredible gaz mileage a brand new one weight 2935lbs
It would be nice to have a basic inexpensive car option. 20+ years ago most manufacturers offered a budget / basic option. I never thought I would miss those vehicles.
@@timothykeith1367 due to the democrat marxist party!
No more ev's. I'm done hearing about them.
Strangely, they excel on the drag strip, right where the die hard gassers hang out; but EV's also excel in the gridlock of major cities, right where they have the most political support; so they have a place and a roll. We need a decade more at least of plug in hybrid development with smaller and smaller IC-Engines before EV's become competitive outside the biggest cities. We should have had a decade where the average hybrid IC Engine was under 10 hp before making a major move to EV's
@@alan6832 Strangely, they are worse for the planet than REAL cars
@@alan6832 10hp, what mellinium are you from??
I remember seeing something about a briggs and stratton car. I want to say it was a hybrid with a 16 Hp motor. It was a concept car of course but they built one.
@@thisandthataboutcarstoolsa8659 It was on the Jay Leno Channel, and well done. 40 years of development on that and we would be in a pretty good place.
We want knobs and switches not an overly complicated touch screen! Great idea Tony
At this point the touch screen is cheaper to make.
@@tedesco455exactly what I just said. It’s cheaper to make a door open with a button and solenoid vs using traditional hardware…
@@tedesco455now, will they charge 250$ for a replacement solenoid or button… yes.. but it only cost them pennies on the dollar.
The only reason to buy one now is if you always wanted you know it is now or never . The only good thing about is that other manufacturers have ones that are even worse.
Most car buyers will disagree, and therein lies the problem.
The Chrysler brand turns 100 years old this year. The state of affairs is a damn shame.
Exactly been waiting a long time now to see who would be the first one that I saw to mention the centennial of the great Chrysler corporation you're it. good job! Crickets , otherwise . Amazing! What gives? Says a lot nowadays.. Cudas (kudos) to you!
@@donharvey8823 The centennial of the corporation is next year. The centennial of the Chrysler brand is this year.
Hope it makes it. Not interested in their cars though.
What made MoPar MoPar was the collective intellect and daring of Walter Chrysler and his three top engineers, Zeder, Breer and Skelton. Together, they bucked the industry by placing truth and function above guesswork and whimsy. They made successful cars no one else would have, and advanced the industry like no one else. They’d be shocked by the state of Chrysler and Dodge, and pity the lack of courage, imagination, and just plain common sense. America, you blew it up. @@bill90405
@@therusyn Dodge's centennial was 10 years ago. Just as Ford named car each series after a letter of the alphabet, so did Dodge. You may have even ridden in or driven one of their most famous letter series cars, the Dodge M Cars. These were the early electric-powered Dodges, not the Electro-Bats. You can still find working examples that you can experience at places like Cedar Pointe Amusement Park. As you would expect, these Dodge M Cars had advanced technology, including 10 mph bumpers AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE VEHICLE. They also had safety belts, that's right, safety belts, decades before they were mandated by the federal government. I'm sure that these and other Dodge letter-series cars made a big impression on Walter Chrysler, because even though he had only recently started the Plymouth division of Chrysler, when the Dodge Brothers company became available after Horace and John had passed away, he added Dodge as a division of Chrysler.
What’s crazy is if Dodge ditched all of their electronics and “extras” like he is advocating for, their reliability and durability would improve 10,000% and be market leading.
Yes! Make them fun, reliable and affordable!!! Like the roadrunner! Frankly, that's also what a 1990s Honda Civic was, too...
Turd motors
True but the Feds would come down on them like a ton of bricks.
They have made garbage forever. Good riddens.
Abd that is what they don't want. The company doesn't make money on you driving the car for 20 years.
OH YEAH....how do I give Tony a million thumbs up on this whole idea?!?!?!?
But do it with a gas motor, please
Politics won’t allow that. Obviously.
Tony this is too intelligent for the modern automakers.
Uncle Tony is a wise and knowledgeable man and a vanishing breed.
Go read the Wikipedia entry for the Electrobat car. Dodhe had zero to do with it. Dodge was not founded until 6 years after the Electrobat was made. 1894 and 1900. There were only about 12 in New York (not a thousand) and they did not compete with horse drawn carriages at the time. Tony is just so very inaccurate here.
Dodge has not been “Dodge” for quite a while..
Since the Mercedes merger
@@The_R-n-I_Guy basically all modern chargers and challengers are is just redressed & faceswapped benz's
I have a RAM (Fiat)
@@The_R-n-I_Guy Look at the early to mid-eighties chargers, almost laughable.
For me since the bailout in 78 dodge hasn't been a dodge
Ram should sell a reg cab short bed 2wd 1500 with a standard 392 along with a Hellcat and Redeye HO option. Then give it some 3:91 or 4:10 gears, lower it a few inches and give it a performance suspension with a cool name. Give it a standard work truck interior with an option to load it up if you wanted. It would be awesome. You can buy this truck at Ford right now with their dealer installed supercharger option with their 5.0 anyway you want. A stripper reg cab 2wd work truck all the way up to a 4x4 crew cab.
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About 10 years ago they sold the Ram Hemi Express that was a no frills Hemi powered truck with painted bumpers grille for $20k (2wd) and $25k (4x4 quad cab).
I don't think it would sell that good.
Performance trucks weren't really as popular as it seem to be.
The best idea was when Ford came out with the raptor.
Dodge could do that(TRX does exist). However they need to make it affordable with variable options for all scales of customers.
This is a great idea. Tony, the auto companies need to make stripper vehicles with big horsepower
Dodge did in 2013, the Challenger Core model.
As much as I like the idea of a new stripper, it would be a sales disaster as only a select few 60+ year old baby boomers like me would buy it and result in little profit made per unit. Similarly Ram, GM, & Ford do offer stripper 1/2 ton work trucks with potent optional engines but sell very few. Most folks today want luxury appointments and the younger generation is into advanced technology and demand that in their vehicles. Manufacturers are more than willing to comply as it's the sale of loaded vehicles filling the coffers.
@@johnmcmullen456 I agree with you about the younger generation wanting lots of technology in their vehicles and luxury but they don't know any different. If they set behind the wheel of the 68 Roadrunner they might think differently. And plus you got to think of the price. Luxury vehicles are very expensive
Or make a stripper model that is fun to drive and get 45 MPG......
We have people who can't change a tire, making the rules and decisions.
I heard some clown from the EPA talking about the new MPG standards. He said they were making good jobs.
That guberment cheese will get you in trouble...
Not if you're a Wahlberg 😄
It'll "block you up" and you can't purge 💩
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"gubmint"
@@zephead4835
'Merkin gubmint?
Uncle Tony for transportation secretary! I'm callin the Donald !
I second that, let’s boot Bootyjudge out.
He's not transgender
And Ted Nugent for VP .
I would rather they brought back the Dart. With a slant six, roll up windows, ash tray & AM FM radio. OH! & a CARBURETOR! No computer & as few wires as possible.
Thank you.
Slant 6 can easily be converted to FI, plus you can turbo anything now. If someone made a crossflow head for it I'd be all in
This is just stupid talk. It would never pass emissions requirements. I for one remember wee how the skies over cities looked before we had smog laws. It wasn't pretty. Los Angeles used to have Smog days where school children weren't allowed outside for recess or PE. I have no desire to return to that.
@@reallifehardtruth4465Australia had a slant 6 Hemi, IIRC.
@@professorginz2379Is it any better now? No matter how good it gets, it's never good enough. The first Spanish explorers found the LA basin to be filled with Native American campfire smoke.
@@professorginz2379truth
1. Tony is 100% correct
2. To make it $35k they’ll need to plan it to sell at $18k
3. I need the car Tony described.
None oof the car companies want to sell an inexpensive car period.
the democrat party and there edits and regulations have caused this wake up people!
Yup, less profit.
Guess that's why they do it in every other country on the planet.
Tony you’re right there is a segment of us who don’t want special gadgets and doodads doubling the cost of a vehicle. I bought my 2500 Ram with as few options as I could get away with. It’s a truck, I don’t need to be pampered or anything, I need to haul shit around.
Wrong people are pushing federal subsidies, which is the main reason they are pushing EV’s. The emissions debacle was corrected decades ago, but they dropped it. Ethanol produces zero HC, zero CO, zero NOx, and it produces the SAME amount of CO2 that it took to blend it so it’s CO2 content is neutral. You can’t get any cleaner than that. Same cannot be said with lithium batteries, which not only pollute the environment when making them, but also cause a huge problem when it comes to disposing them when they go bad. It’s sad when you have the wrong people in charge.
Not entirely true. Ethanol with any presence of gasoline is generally worse for NOx... E100 does produce very little NOx *if* you have severely retarded spark, it's close to if not more than gasoline if you run quite advanced spark for the added performance Ethanol gives you. It also still produces CO2 (albeit about half of gasoline last I checked). The main problem is that higher ethanol content fuels produce significantly more Acetaldehyde than gasoline, which is a carcinogen to humans in the local area (and is reactive for ground level ozone formation i.e. smog that settles in cities/valleys/etc)
Ethanol produces less energy than it provides.
Evil you mean
@@656hookemhorns that is correct
EVs are E-guzzlers and pollute more than ICBs net.
Ford also had a successful product like that called the Mustang LX, they sure sold well.
No one (well not as many) wants new cars! They've become too invasive, too technical, too disposable. They've become so integrated any small failure is so expensive it's often to much to repair.
You can thank the EPA and the federal government for eliminating gas and diesel powered vehicles.
Except they haven't been eliminated and won't be.
The manufacturers want to go EV. Easier and cheaper to build, less parts. More profits.
@@appleiphone69They're not cheaper or easier to manufacture.
The only thing in your idea I don't want is the electric part. Batteries are heavy which is just a hurdle to performance and I don't want to have anything to do with ev's.
You took the words out of my...ahhh...keyboard!
I get what you're saying about the battery but I don't think it's an actual issue. I recently drove a friend's Model 3 Performance & it will annihilate pretty much anything in existence from stoplight to stoplight. I'm no tree hugger but the EVs easily overcome the weight of the battery.
@@donhill1825 I really don't care how fast they are either. All it means if you use that power is you are going to be sitting around charging it for an hour or so. And then if it gets cold you aren't going very far, or should I say much less far than normal.
True, stop light to stop light. But no fun, no sound, no smell, no kick/shift, no life.
@@jlsracing997 Wasn't your original criticism that the battery itself is a hurdle to performance?...The charging piece is only an issue if you plan on driving a couple hundred miles a day. If you do, EV's aren't for you. Most people charge at home overnight. The friend in question lives in the cold Northeast we drove in freezing weather, the car got us where we needed to go for the day & we had a blast doing it. These EV's are quick as Hell & get 100mpge. They fit really well into most people's lives. At a certain point the criticisms start to sound like "I'll never drive a horse-less carriage, you can't even feed it hay & oats!"
You've again outdone yourself! I've waited for someone to speak on this topic. You nailed it.
The new EV advertising song "Like a brick"
How about combining the technology from the turbine car? Use a turbine to generate electricity for the motors and a small battery pack? That would really get people talking! It would also sound awesome, not faked sound effects.
Get rid of the power adjusted seats too, damn things weigh about 100 pounds each.
Dodge’s biggest problem is Lee Iacocca has gone to the great beyond, RIP Chrysler and Mr. Iacocca.
Do you really expect Americans to manually adjust their own seat?
Yes, just use the wrangler type! Grab the handle and lurch forward!😂👍
People are too lazy to do that the one time they adjust their seat the first time they get into it.@@lautburns4829
Yeah electric seats is too heavy and expensive to fix and difficult to fix. I just need levers
@@mexicanspec we’ve gotten soft over time. I miss working on a car that can be fixed without a computer diagnostic tool.
The battery alone cost $25,000, since we have to import the materials for it we have no control over that cost. That's one reason EV's are failing. Dodgers needs to go back to combustible engines. Put a displacement V8 in it. It's 25 miles to 30 on the highway. No frills call it good 35 grand.
I saw a news story on TH-cam of some guy who bought an EV of the Oriental favor. He ran over something that damaged the battery and the insurance company ended up totaling the car due to the cost of the battery.
Mid to late 90s cars were really good. Computers were fairly limited to running the engine. No ABS and computers to measure drivers sweat and pulse. I enjoy my 2020 Fusion and 2018 Taurus ... but the comparative simplicity of my 99 Mustang is a breath of fresh air. One computer. Extremely analogue HVAC. No screens. 6 dials on the dash. Perfection was achieved in late 90s automotive simplicity.
My 1997 CRV and 1993 Ranger agree with this statement.
Got a 96 mustang in my driveway, and out of all my vehicles, it is the easiest to drive and work on!😊
My Ford panther platform cars agree.
Simple & reliable.
Yes! I had a 2000 Jeep wrangler. Simple, rugged, and just enough technology to make it “better “.
Agreed. Love my 96 Impala SS. Owned it for 26 years now. No problems.
30 years ago the avg car payment was $260-280 for 60 months say, today for the same car its $650-700. That is absolutely crazy
260 a month 30 years ago is a ton of money. The dollar halves in value every 10 years.
The cost to value ratio is soooooooo off. Chrysler makes NICE LOOKING vehicles but their reliability and durability has been trash for 20-25 years…
It's been trash since the 60s, the Challenger/charger of the last gen were the only ones that held up(according 5o Consumer Reports) so you are kinda right, and kinda wrong
@@cromBumny Modern dodges have always had sketchy electronics/electrical systems and mediocre transmissions. The drivetrains were their only salvation (the non Mitsubishi ones). Dodge has NEVER gotten a hand on corrosion resistance. My god, on a quiet night you can hear one rust. I see soooo many newer dodge trucks that are ASTONISHINGLY full of rust.
@@cromBumny Eh, having completely rebuilt the suspension and brakes on my mom's '11 Charger, I disagree on them being reliable. I've replaced parts that on older gens held up 3x the miles.
At least the transmission has held up. So far.
Bullshit…I’ve actually owned several Dodges and Chryslers over the last 25 years and durability has been as good as anything else.
@@7spadefish7 Hopefully you bought mega millions lottery tickets because you were fucking lucky.
Great idea Tony...where are all the charging stations ? Good Luck ! ❤
Two things, one, I Never heard of a Dodge Hornet till this video. Two, I love the Challenger. I love the way they took the look of a classic Challenger and updated it like Ford did with the Mustang.
Ironically I believe the original hornet was made in the 70s by AMC
@@davidclemens1578 1970-1977.
I had to search up the hornet.
I didn't know it existed.
Software was made by Palmolive Hands! Guys who sit at desks who rent access to weight lifting equipment and they STILL HAVE PALMOLIVE HANDS!
hey now not every coder does it like that. and believe me most coders who know their shit if it was up to them would rather have a car with unlocked firmwares to mess around with as they see fit.
@lasskinn474 Well, here's a problem with what you wrote, "to mess with firmware as YOU/THEY see fit".
Humans are inherently faulted in their nature, and to mess with vehicle firmware could cause many deaths because of an outside force whose controlling the vehicle without the occupants' knowledge.
I don't agree with programmers acting as gods, and that's with a little g.
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@fishypictures Come on Fishy, let your fingers do some typing or were you soaking your fingers in Palmolive?
Madge?
What killed the electric car in the early twentieth century was the advent of the electric starter for gasoline powered cars.
It was Cadillac that invented the electric starter. And yes, before that women were not strong enough to start the car on their own. Virtually all women, and older men as well had really no choice but electric
People also broke their arms when the gas engine kicked back. This happened to my grandfather and he was a large and strong man.
That and modifying the oiling system.
The steam engine cars were much more prevalent than electric vehicles. The electric starter killed the steam cars
@@cutl00senc The point is....both existed and were in use at the same time before the electric starter improved the lives of every driver and made the IC engine the ubiquitous choice.
Tony, as an electrical engineer, I am certain there in no getting rid of software and computers in vehicles today for everything from energy management to emissions controls to safety systems. That reality is even more concrete in EVs. The energy stored in cells must be monitored and managed if you don’t want to get yourself or your garage in an inferno one day. That said:
1. I won’t purchase an EV car for a multiplicity of reasons.
2. I prefer analog interfaces as old school as possible.
3. ICE can be made to be efficient and reliable and serviceable IF those are the design criteria.
4. We should aim for modest design evolution towards higher reliability rather than design revolution that produces novel, but unreliable outcomes.
5. Safety must always trump novelty and “green revolutions.”
I own 3 Dodges but, I will never buy a new one. I’m done with Dodge.
Shut-up
My last mopar product is my 2014 srt 300.
I will not buy another new mopar
2 old Dodges in the garage and 3 Acuras in the driveway. I wanted to embrace modern Dodge but I can't forgive Daimler for giving us hope and then tossing us to the curb only to be acquired by a capital management company (Cerebus, really, c'mon). Then Fiat? Now the current conglomerate? Shaking my head. I'll never again know the company that built my dad's 66 Coronet and my 74 Charger.
@@LongIslandMopars Stay Humble.
I feel the same way about GM. Sad to see Chrysler headed in the toilet too.
When a corporation looses touch with it clientele.. it’s over
Uncle Tony, the culture today in America seems to be that even economy cars need to have all the bells and whistles,
automakers always made their profits off selling the options. but yes, today we are spoiled, an economy car has more options than my 1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 (no AC, power seats or windows, etc) and the average consumer honestly won't settle for less. they'll sign up for a payment plan instead so they can keep up with the Joneses.
That's the thing, they mechanical "stuff" he is mentioning would be more expensive to produce.
100k for a f-ing truck, are you joking me...
I was once married to an electro bat 🦇🦇🦇
Mine was a battle axe.
Techno or electro? The debate rages on
What saved ya?? 😀
The idea of having a standard Manuel transmission and an optional auto column shifter is so old school!
The only Hornet I ever heard of was by AMC. I didn't even know there was a new Hornet. BTW, when a company bases its business model on a pack of lies in an attempt to appease a tyrant's agenda, no wonder Dodge is failing.
It's a turd, mopar has been failing since the 1980s, ford aint no better
There was a Hudson Hornet too. My Dad was a big AMC fan but also liked Hudson, Studebaker and a few other car manufacturers that don't exist anymore. He died in February of '81 and I don't think he would like anything that is offered to us now.
The current Hornet is just another boring SUV with a lousy reputation. It was a big mistake and no one's buying them...
There was also a Hornet made by Hudson, back in the '50s. What they are calling a Hornet today is actually an Alpha Romeo. One of the most unreliable cars ever made.
There actually are buyers for the new Hornet.
Enterprise,Bugdet,Hertz,National,Alamo & Avis🤣🤣🤣
Great idea. Thought of it a million times. But the government will find a way to put a stop to it. Because it’s a great idea.
Uncle Tony taking Dodge to class, love it
After a Dart Swinger, Coronet Super Bee, 340 Challenger, and an Omni GLH I just can't get behind the current plan,
but I would consider Tony's idea. Please don't let Dodge die before I do!
File this under "Never gonna happen"
Maybe not through Stellantis, but there are probably enough goodies currently in the parts stream for the average wrench to make it happen. I’ll never switch to EV, but to each their own.
@@rocco3381 Uh huh.😅
@@rocco3381 Yeah, if that were to happen it would of happened with OLDSMOBILE or PONTIAC first. 🙄
@@Saint.Broseph all this ev crap pushed by the democrat party for control and to stay in control WAKE UP AND CATCH UP!!!
What an idea, give the people what they want?
I like Uncle Tony’s idea for an analog stripped down EV.
I heard they are still going to put the big hemi engines in trucks and suv. Personally I think they saved the wrong Mopar and we could have had Plymouth Cudas instead of Dodge Challenger.
I remember when Davy Fryburger tried to start the "muscle truck" movement for all the non-blue collar guys and non farmers who didn't know trucks already came with big engines. It seems more and more, the only factory hot rod potential left, is going to be trucks (again, like the Lil Red in 1978). Depending on the cruise nights in your area, you may have already spotted one or two SUV owners figuring out these are the new luxurious performance vehicles.
Only heavy duty (2500) and up. Hemi is done in half ton trucks, it's also gone from all SUVs, I believe 2024 is the last year for it in the Wagoneer, and the Durango will have it until production ends soon
The last mopars id get are 1970s, after that nope
@@shadowopsairman1583 The 2.2 Turbo stuff was pretty cool, but other than that, yeah.
@Swen-bk3kzPolitics can change at any time. Pressure from below will kick that can down the road.
This Idea is too obvious to ever be noticed by Dodge....
We are pushing back
RedBarchetta
I rented both a challenger and charger last summer. I really enjoyed those cars. So nostalgic and even though they weren’t like there predecessors, they felt tough and ballsy. They’re a bit expensive now, so I settled for a 2004 Grand Marquis. I love the feel and look of the older cars. I’d seriously consider a car like you describe.
Government regulations would be a big hurdle.
Tony you're 100% right. Dodge Chrysler Plymouth let's build those cars again like we grew up with, people want something that they can recognize and understand. Let's see a satellite, how about a Coronet. Let's build a cheaper version, used the charger platform just rebadge . People will buy it, just make it simpler, just give so the choice !
I love Mopar, and I will always have at least a few classic Mopars around, but I defected to Subaru about 20 years ago for daily driver and I've never looked back.
those who hate the WRX haven't driven one. I'm not a giant fan of turbo FWD 4 bangers (owned a 1986 turbo t bird--no guts below 3,000 rpm but sure rode nice), but the AWD takes care of the torque steer and trying to put down more than 300hp at the front wheels without stiffening up the rear coils.
Make those heater controls 100% analog. A cable based control not electronic! I agree UT !!
I remember a conversation I had with the owner of Larry Griffiths LO Dart. He was THE man responsible for bringing back the HEMI and Chrysler Engineer, now retired.
It was men like him that can pull them out of the rut and catastrophic downfall of over engineered computers on wheels.
Sadly, most people, including Tony, are completely missing the point of what this looming EV mandate is really about. it's not about pollution, it's not about so-called "global warming" or finding alternative sources of energy, etc. etc. What is the point? The EV mandate is just Stage 1 in eliminating private passenger transportation. The car manufacturers know that, so their focus isn't going to be on creating specialty low-run types like a strippo with specific high performance aspirations. They're going to ruthlessly pare down their offerings to just a few models which share a maximum amount of design, parts and service components in order to make the cheaply and profitably, because within the next two decades the days of individuals buying or leasing then driving their own vehicle will be only a memory.
And you will eat zee bugs. They also want to get the population down below 2 billion so the people can be more easily controlled.
Sounds like a good idea...only problem is knuckle-heads like me would burn through a set of tires in a week 😂but just think how cool those skidmarks would look!
Now you’re talking “Tony”.!! You read my mind.!! Yes, Yes, Yes.!! Give it to Us Crysler ,Dodge, Plymouth .!! We’re Waiting.!!
Last 5 seconds was from the heart
This would be an interesting concept for a Dart. I'd also see this having a more mundane counterpart with a single lower power motor and a smaller battery but with all of the other cost and weight savings applies. The cheap economy commuter with the monster alter ego.
One of the fired engineers said Stellantis outsourced their positions to India, Mexico, and Brazil. Perhaps penalizing outsourcing should be considered.
As for these expensive vehicles not selling well…the media in Michigan is going crazy with reports of huge numbers of new F-150’s being stored in about a dozen different locations. Ford mentioned something about quality control issues.
On the electric vehicle front, instead of searching for charging stations or wasting time waiting for the battery to fill, China now has swappable battery stations.
Yep. Save an American company with this thinking.
@@757optim Stellantis, headquartered in Amsterdam, designs, manufactures, and sells automobiles bearing its 14 brands: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, and Vauxhall.
@@757optim i got news for you it's not an american company :D the american part failed like 3 decades ago and has been floating around since then
@@lasskinn474 I didn't say Dodge is an American company. I said to save an American company with this thinking. Everybody knows the history - Fiat, etc
This is perhaps the most sense you have ever made, Tony. And i have been wading through you meandering videos for yrs now. Cheers
You are a analogic guy in a digital world. I see you trying to be part of this EV thing. I'm trying too but whithout hope. Big fan from Brazil. Cheers!
We have 15" computer screens we need to go thru 5 menus to change the AC-Heat but we can't be on a cell phone.
Their downfall was their quest to not only make us pay more for less but to also monitor and control our lives with every part that was designed to fail early. The dealerships wanted in on the fun too so they would mark up the prices of parts and even create more problems each time you let them put their thieving hands on your vehicle. If they announced tomorrow that they would take your advice and build such a car, I would be very doubtful of its road worthiness and durability. I say let them go down with their own bullet riddled ship and make way for the honest working man to offer us a new start.
I think the new charger looks bad ass!!! It looks like they took lots of cues from the 68 body style. I think it's much better than the 4 door crew cab charger!!! They went to drastic to fast with the battery all in. They need gas engines still and follow Uncle Tony's advice.
Damn Skippy!
Make air conditioning optional.
Even make a basic radio optional.
But no damn Bluetooth.
This entire video is just like a car enthusiasts wet dream for a non-viable commercial vehicle. I love your ideas, it's just I don't believe they will ever happen :(
Please Tim Dodge, listen to this man, he's right.
Chrysler Corp terminally pissed me off in 1983 over what I considered mistreatment over a Plymouth Reliant. Since then I have never bought any vehicle from them and never will. That said like Tony I am saddened to see a company that I cheered for most of my life go to pot. I still have two older Plymouths I really enjoy driving. I still wish them well but I doubt it will matter.
Finally, somebody talking sense. I absolutely despise new technology vehicles touchscreens, anti collision, automatic braking , cars that park themselves, nonsense.
Totally agree with u. But they should build a turbo inline six version on propane or n gas or hydrogen.
This is a damn great idea.
Cheap and simple 👍
And fast 🤘
I personally like the positive feedback of analog controls.
I agree. I don't dislike ev cars. But they aren't gonna work how we are set up for. BUT... This would be a cool car. The price is the most important. I feel like the price would be such a relief for anybody right now, hell a dirt bike cost like 12k now.
I hear what you're saying, but that idea would never work today. People have become accustomed to toys in their vehicles; there's no market for a basic car with no frills, they don't sell
Helpless Mopar fan here as well.
Had many Cordobas and two 1975 Chargers. All procured cheaply, as they had been stopped dead, by the dreaded Electronic Lean Burn ignition system.
Il learned to bring a carb, ignition system, and distributor with me. Wish they were that easy to bypass today. I miss my Cordoba! The 75 Charger, not so much
had a 77 fury for about 3 years got rid rid of it in 1980 for a D50 new one sweat lil pickup it finally rusted away RUST IN PEACES rip lean burn
Yes. Keep the Challenger and build a Hemi that lubricates. STRIP THAT.
Likewise for a truck. Strip it down.
Other than its crash safety, I still like my Geo Metros. Some have done mods to get 70 mpg, but 60 mpg is cheap and easy. I think a 900 cc Kubota swap could get 85 mpg and use biodiesel - the older 3 cylinder diesels like veggie oil. The economy of the old car is no monthly payments and easy DIY maintenance - $35 tires. Who would have thought that disposable cars could last 40 years? A Metro basically has a heavier version of a cruiser motorcycle engine, makes about the same power as a Honda Fury which is intentionally lazy for reliability.
I've been waiting for someone to swap a gold wing flat six into a civic for a long time
well americans don't even know what a honda jazz is. or a honda city(it's what civic was now that civic is an accord, jazz is what civic was before that basically). a lot of it is that when things are good americans want to buy that big expensive luxury crapola.
bmw doesn't even sell the lower end more economic models in usa at all. like 80% of stellantis cars are "too small" or "too poors" for usa, it could sell in usa if they actually tried to sell it.
Here lies the problem with the big three. They don't listen to the consumer. The top brass always believes they know what we want and get it wrong time and time again. You're 100% correct but they won't listen, the machine is in control, so distruction is inevitable!! It doesn't take a genius to understand less is more, but when executives live in a vacuum this is what we get!!!
I'd yell "Uncle Tony for president!" except that I wouldn't wish that on him.
I interviewed Smokey Yunick the year before he passed. The topic of electric cars cme up. Smokey: "In 1959 we had electric vehicles down pat, and we were waiting on the Battery to finish the job. It's 2000, and we are still waiting on the battery".
good ideal with the exception of the battery. substitute gas engine for battery then I agree.
I thought he was onto something until he began pushing another EV. It's got to be petrol.
No Electric Seats, no tire pressure relays, no electric gas pump, no electric windows , no electric fuel injection, no electric door locks, no electric starter simple and Fast 😮😎 and no electric AC/ heater Yes MOPAR!!! No fuel tank!
Who knew Uncle Tony was that into design? Because at lot of what he's talking about here gets to design and how these design decisions influence how we interact with cars -- the experience.
And what Tony is advocating for is a design rooted in authenticity -- a form-follows-function, what you see is what you get ethos, where how you interact with something relates to its function (like wind-up windows). FWIW, I like that ethos too. And, or interesting to see the high end performance cars start to mirror some of that (albeit with some frippery or modernity mixed in). Think Singer 911 or the new 911 S/T or even the Ferrari 296, an 800 hp hybrid where the only screen replaces the instrument cluster.
Simplicity is the solution to most problems
and please bring back the Dakota , 4 cylinder , cheap price .
AMEN
Tony, I could listen to you talk about cars for hours. Very well executed. Give Peg a big Thank You for showing me your channel
TAKE MY MONEY!
Give me a USB, A cell phone holder, and a nice bluetooth speaker setup...that's it!. Exactly as Tony described.
Pretty sure it’s cheaper to make a door open with a button and solonoid vs hardware… just saying.. it’s different now days.
I miss dodge too. 😢
I got a better idea,,, bring the Slant Six back! Love you Tony! You’re the best!
Bang on Tony my first car was a 69 VF pacer no frills just a slant 6 3speed floor shift and bucket seats it was aimed at youth only options were power discs and heater car new was only 2400 Aus they do need to build basic fun again that you can work on yourself
I remember, in about 1992 , in Dunedin nz, seeing a VF Pacer getting around with a For Sale sign on it ,$3,500 ono , it was white with a red stripe and immaculate, yet another missed investment opportunity. What would it be worth now ??
I still got it
@@mrozboss Very cool , what colour? . I've got my father's VH Ranger XL , It's been in the family since 1980, also have an AP6 Regal. My first car was an AP6 , manual trans , Regal interior.
My buddy just came back from Spring training. Dodger fan about 2 weeks ago. Right before he crossed the Arizona border coming back to San Diego. At a Carls Jr he told me 30 plugging stations there. Not one was plugged in nobody is buying them. 🤷♂️
Excellent news
You can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink
Put more salt in it's oats
You can also lead a human to knowledge but you can't make them think.
This really hit home when Uncle Tony said I’ll miss ya Dodge. Man I pray Dodge and Chrysler can stick around. The automotive industry needs to just band together in mass non compliance with the epa and gov regulation BS.
minivan was affordable .
The battery alone would be $25,000. That is the problem which is why they have to make EVs high end cars.
Listen to him, Tim. He is right, core values and an honest car.