What’s New With the iPhone 15 Pro?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2023
- In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David go over all of the new features that were announced with the Apple iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max.
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Just to be clear, ray tracing existed way before nvidia. They were the first to bring hardware accelerated ray tracing on consumer cards.
Yes, but they have always been big and require huge amounts of power. Apple tried, failed, went to Blender for help and they succeeded. So, the day of the separate graphics card that needs water cooling is over.
That whole discussion with very misinformed and short sighted on their part.
@allajunaki Exactly. :)
Well done to recycling comments from other clips
The key with Nvidia was that they introduced *real time* ray tracing to consumers - up until that point ray tracing had pretty much always been done with pre-rendering. The real time has since been dropped but it's still kind of implied that when talking about ray tracing on consumer platforms you're really talking about real time ray tracing as there's not much point in pre-rendering for consumer platforms
As someone who only upgrades my phone every 5+ years, the iPhone 15 looks incredible. It's essentially the 14 Pro for $200 less than it was a week ago. Really surprised Apple didn't make the action button accented like they did with the red cellular crown and Ultra orange action button of the watches as a way to differentiate the more luxury version.
no high refresh rate tho so i wouldn't compare it directly
Yeah that 23 year old usb technology really sets my my heart on fire 🔥 😅
I upgrade every 5ish years too. I currently just have a basic 11.
Na I’m not broke so I’ll upgrade yearly
Bless your heart. I carry 2 iPhones so I upgrade one of my phones every year. Luckily taking advantage of these promotions.
Nvidia did not invent ray tracing. Ray tracing is a rendering technique that has been around for several decades and was first introduced in computer graphics research in the 1960s. Nvidia, along with other companies and researchers, has played a significant role in advancing and popularizing ray tracing in the gaming industry through the development of dedicated hardware like RTX GPUs and software technologies like NVIDIA RTX.
Ray tracing has been a fundamental technique in computer graphics for realistic rendering, and it has evolved and improved over time through contributions from various entities in the field of computer graphics and gaming.
Yeah but they brought *real time* ray tracing to consumers which was very different
Do I want the 5X or the better portrait?
I hate it when I need a zoom but it does not happen that much... but again how often did I bother with the portrait mode?
Mostly it's been pull out and take a photo.
So probably the 5X is better.
This new feature to be able to chose the focal point later on is incredible!
Great for having less mistake photos where the wrong thing was in focus.
Also for picture stories for blogs when high lighting certain person then the other.
I'll be getting one each for me and my business partner so will probably get one of each and deal with the bulky MAX to just see... then return it if it's not as much use as I'd hope
This is my first time watching Marques in this podcast and I love it! I love the relaxed joking format /slash/ technical jargon info. Love this! So informative, instant fan of this now.
Almost all of his podcast or interviews are in a chill format
Titanium is not ‘stronger’ than steel. If you have rods with the same dimensions, the steel rod has higher load to failure. Titanium is lighter so the strength to weight is it’s advantage
It takes a lot of Guts to mock apple sitting in apple's own podcast studio in their own HQ with all apple products.
You are right, and that tells us quite a bit about Apple and its relationship with non tame journalists
Looool ridiculous indeed, they get paid by apple No doubt.
With the new iPhone gaming... Would you be more interested in gaming if Apple made a controller that MagSafes to the back of the phone and slides out like the psp go. And can also wirelessly charge your phone to solve the battery problem.
Jason Snell said you are better off composing in camera and use the processing pipeline rather than crop it later.
I chose the White iPhone 15 Pro Max. I am not sure how white it really is. Hard to get true accuracy from videos sometimes. I normally love blue, but I didn't care for the blue on my iPhone 13 Pro Max so much. I figured if I went white, I'd be able to use cases that would give it some cooler colors in the end, since White is pretty neutral and you can get clear lightly colored cases.
Iphone 13 Pro cases pretty much cover all the color no matter which color you chose on your iPhone so in the long run, What did it matter what the color was? I just hope I will really like it. I wish we had better options in the Pro Max department like apple colors Red and Green don't disappoint too much. Thank you for the video.
It's entirely possible that the flash in the iPhone isn't fast enough for 20Gbit to make sense, that's already well into NVMe territory and the much lower power flash chips in phones are probably not as fast as the ones in dedicated SSDs (even the older gen 3 drives that were running those sorts of speeds)
I wonder if a USB splitter would allow fast charging while connected to an external ssd for the iPhone 15 pro?
nVidia did NOT create Raytracing. Raytracing is a process for simulating lighting that has existed for decades. What nVidia did with their RTX cards is add special hardware optimized specifically around this process. The outcome of this is such that using RTX, some minimal amount of raytracing is now able to be performed in realtime, e.g. in video games. Prior to that, raytracing was basically just relegated to long running render processes that would be used for something like a Pixar movie or VFX.
That's like saying apple didn't invent the touch screen, they made special hardware that's able to utilize a touch screen at a much more optimal level than its various mobile counterparts.
Pretty good explanation.
It's somewhat like saying Apple didn't invent the touch screen, in the sense that it's correct.
@@fredrickbambino Apple didn’t invent touchscreen, they just perfected multitouch for mass use. Same with NVIDIA, ray tracing and path tracing have been around for decades! What they did was to add ray triangles and optical flow accelerators to render 1/10th of the rays or maybe even less in some games in realtime. Even today with 4090, the fastest gaming GPU on the planet, Path Tracing is not possible.
@@fredrickbambino The difference is that, before the iPhone, multitouch displays practically didn’t exist. It was a technology with virtually no use. Ray tracing is widely used in animation, it just hasn’t been used in video games because it was previously too power hungry.
An alternative analogy is Nokia bringing optical image stabilization to smartphones in 2012. It is the sole reason we have telephoto lenses on phones, why the Galaxy phones have their 100x zoom. It allows us to do things that just weren’t possible without OIS. And yet, OIS was nothing new. It was already used in professional cameras and lenses. Nokia just brought it to the phone, opening a major door for amateur photographers.
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14:50 It *has* to be a crop. There is no other way to change the apparent FOV if you aren’t changing the optical configuration.
Just because it has 24MP output dimensions doesn’t mean it’s not using a crop of the sensor. They’re probably just using ML upscaling algorithms to normalize the output dimensions after the cropped capture.
Apple really managed to confuse people on this one, including their best reviewers. Bravo, reality distortion field.
*FYI* : Spatial video will shoot in a "new" codec. *_M_* -HEVC. The "M" stands for "Multiview". It will in fact recognize when to show you _BOTH_ "eyes" (Vision Pro) and when just to show _ONE_ "eye" (Mac etc.).
2:30, talking about the A17 pro chip, do you think this gives way to an A18 ultra chip to actually further distinguish the pro lineup. Like base iPhone, then iPhone pro, lastly the pro max getting a new ultra chip and being called the iPhone ultra?
I wonder what happens to the mirrors inside the Pro Max if you drop the phone, will they crack, and if they do, is the 5x just ruined
Marques, a question about file transfer speed: If both the sending and receiving devices for AirDrop are WiFi 6 (theoretical maximum 1200 MB/s) which should be the biggest bottleneck for AirDrop given the fast SSD speeds of both new Macs and new iPhones, shouldn't that be an adequate and preferred large file transfer method between devices, not Lightning? Certainly USB 3.1 should be faster than AirDrop but I wonder how much in real world testing?
It's not about the capability of usb but the stability we get with it.
@@CHETAN_I_007what do you mean by stability?
@@IbbySS.USB 3 will run at pretty close to its rated speed nearly all of the time and the speed won't fluctuate much. Wifi 6 will almost *never* reach 1200MB/s and will frequently dip substantially lower even than its real world peak speeds in whatever circumstances you're in. AirDrop is convenient but it's just not going to be even close to USB 3 speeds in the real world (although it would indeed probably beat Lightning/USB 2)
@@bosstowndynamics5488 ah ok so with stability of the cable, on average of the transfer time will overall be higher than cable than with wifi.
Is that correct?
@@IbbySS. Pretty much, that and 10Gbit/s is already about as fast as the theoretical maximum of WiFi 6 but with less protocol overhead. They might also have been referring to risk of failed transfers, but I'm not familiar enough with AirDrop's error handling to know if it can just resume or if it needs to outright restart if there's a transient drop in signal.
Kind of wish I would’ve put in the pre order as I was on the fence and now there a month to more then a month out now 😅
Have you guys got the new LED background in studio?
One thing I'm still kind of sceptical about for real time ray tracing is whether it actually looks better, or if what's actually happening is that the developers for those games aren't bothering to set up the rasterised lighting properly now that ray tracing exists...
have you seen the LTT video where the cast is trying to differentiate a ray traced and a rasterized lightning version of tomb raider side by side, and they have to look *extremely* closely to discover even the most minute difference?
yeah, ray tracing is overhyped placebo bs - of course its promotional stuff always includes very specific scenes in games where the difference vs rasterized lighting is obvious, but in a real use case 99.9% of the time ray tracing is literally indistinguishable from it, but hey at least it costs a massive amount of fps 👍
@@mencibenci To be fair, they were looking at very early games because they were assessing 20 series cards. I wouldn't be surprised if ray tracing genuinely looks better than rasterisation now, what I don't know is how much of that is rasterisation falling behind due to neglect in heavily ray traced titles and how much is any genuine improvement in lighting (eg CP2077 is famously constrained in terms of available development resources yet they were the first game to implement path tracing, a lighting tech that makes even the 4090 chug. I can't help but think if they're investing effort into path tracing like that they decide to spend fewer resources on old school lighting methods that look great but only if devs optimise them properly)
Now I'm confused... Image at 12:58 shows a photograph of the main camera as being the bottom camera of the two cameras that are inline with each other.
At 18:5 he says "The way the camera is setup in the Pros is main camera top, wide camera below, telephoto on the right."
This just the opposite of the photo from Apple. Now what?
Yea I'll be sticking to my current iPhone 13PM the 15PM is nice but not quite it for me on to next year😅
So nice seeing Marcus wearing his shoes the 251
yeah.. i was hoping for gold titanium too.. guess just have to go raw now. Still pretty awesome.
Are y’all using wired-in AirPods Maxs that are part of the studio there at Apple?
Imagine buying a game once and installing it on your iPhone, iPad, MacBook and Apple TV and your save files are synced across devices so you can play wherever. And then imagine that Apple makes it so that you can plug your iPhone into a TV and play on the TV with a controller while the iPhone screen turns off to save heat/power. It would be nice to have a dock with a fan in it to keep the phone cool as well because I wouldn't want to overheat my battery.
If I had to guess, they are going to make the non pro chips (A17 bionic) the same cpu but with less gpu and neural engine cores
What is the ipad holder they are using there?
I like the action button, I just wish it was in addition to the mute switch. That physical switch is one of those things that I LOVED having. I know it's small but I liked it.
you still have it lol. only you can choose to buy the new one and not have it!
@@ricardocampos3383 well sure. But even if I skipped this one eventually I’ll need a new phone and it won’t have it.
I agree 100%! When I go to the movies or am golfing, etc, I love having that switch to silent easily.
Had the action button feature on my android for years rofl
@@JohnnyBoy8089 sure, SOME androids had it. So you had to buy THAT phone to get it. But then that phone didn’t have things other phones did. At some point an android phone has had many features. But hardly did you get them all in the same device and they add them one year and take them away the next. Depending on the phone as well their functionality can vary wildly for how useful it is. Like when Samsung first put out their bixby button I’m pretty sure the only thing you could do with it was launch bixby. I hit it by accident ALL the time and it annoyed the hell out of me.
Apple doesn’t tend to implement things first, but when they do it tends to be implemented in a very polished state. They also tend to keep it around for at least several generations. So there is a level of consistency
Depending on the alloy and how it’s heat treated, stainless steel is actually stronger and harder than titanium, generally speaking. Titanium has a higher strength to weight ratio, which I think is where some confusion comes from.
Steel also has a much higher Young’s modulus, meaning it is much stiffer.
when you program the action button to another thing how do you silence / vibrate the phone????? HELP
the dude in the middle with the iPad pro, whats the name of the grip he was using?
Prores video shooting was disabled on 128gb pro models last year. I guess now it works for 128gb model? I wonder if anyone can confirm that.
Compression for more frames per second and 2 simultaneous frames seems like it would be different.
I was thinking the same
Funny that you're all wearing the AirPods Max at Apple HQ. I know that's not what you use in the studios.
Apple certainly giving the tech reviewer somethin
Underrated comment
Is the 120hz ProMotion display a justifiable reason to upgrade? I have the 12 Pro Max currently
Depends on the user, its purely onces experience.
I love 120hz, but I dont think it would be a deal breaker for me.
I ordered the 15 pro max, was either getting pro or pro max, and i want the big battery.
I didnt even consider the stock model
10:49 😂nice job. You win the discussion 😂
Nvidia didn't create Raytacing 🤦🤦
20:17 YOU TELL 'IM DAVID
Im confused. Besides the telephoto, what is the different between the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro cameras? Dont they have the same 48 mpx main camera?
Yes, but the chipset, RAM, GPU and CPU are all better on the Pro, plus there’s the Always On Display, the LTPO Motion Pro Display (1-120hz refresh), and the Action Button all on the Pro.
Can you get 120+HZ refresh rate on the new iPhone 15 Pro?
Yep
I wish you could turn off that press and hold the Lock Screen to customise! It's so annoying how often it happens by mistake!
I also can't believe there still isn't a way to close all apps in the app switcher in one go!
Having lots of apps open slows my phone down!
Then you should look into what apps you have, because iOS is designed to not shut down apps that way. It uses more battery and more power to close and reopen apps than to just let them pause in the background. Consider turning off Background App Refresh instead.
@@D8686M it’s off. Still slows my phone down PLUS I still want 1 gesture to close all apps!
Apple won’t provide one gesture to close all apps, because it’s not how the system is designed to work, like I said. It’s the equivalent of closing Windows apps using ctrl alt delete. It should only be done if something has gone wrong with the app.
What iphone do you have? Maybe its time to upgrade?
@@Terandium Happened with all my iPhones! My most recent ones were my iPhone X, my 13 mini and now with my 13 pro too!
I’m confused, how is 6.1 and 6.7 the same screen size?
Ray tracing did not originate with Nvidia in 2018. It's been around for a long time.The concept dates back to the late 1960s, and hardware accelerated ray tracing began in the 1990s.
Yes, but they have always been big and require huge amounts of power. Apple tried, failed, went to Blender for help and they succeeded. So, the day of the separate graphics card that needs water cooling is over.
They mentioned mac and pc seperately, because a mac isn't a pc.
The term pc means IBM compatible, which mac never was(or isnt) its a term from the past.
The Pro Max is the same price in most countries other than the USA (in other currencies), and even cheaper in some areas.
what mobile companies are not getting with RayTracing is that to make it viable and popular, they need devices in mid-range and budget range to do the same thing.
NVidia launched RTX throughout their 2000s.
If they only gave Raytracing in their top 2090, 3090, 4090, etc.
it won't have been popular in PC games as well.
So unless Qualcomm, Exynos, etc bring raytracing in mid-range chips, it will be just a useless thing for even the flagships as no one is gonna bother making stuff only for high end devices.
So Samsung in A series, Google in both Pro and A series, Nothing, OnePlus, etc all need to start putting RayTracing for it to be actually be popular and useful.
I think they understand that perfectly well, I think what you've missed though is they don't care even a little bit. Ray tracing isn't really useful on phones in the current market, you aren't going to see a meaningful difference in your current favourite gacha game using mostly pre-renders on even a 6.7 inch screen, particularly when it's built to run smoothly and look good on an iPhone Xr even today. Ray tracing is a marketing buzz word that people currently associate with "Ooh! Shiny! Looks really good!" It's a line they can put in the marketing copy that may or may not find some edge case use in a niche app or two (there's a reason, for all its faults, that Google didn't bother trying to shove ray tracing hardware in Tensor for instance)
18:38 WILL IT WORK ON THE 12?
“They ripped apart the Mars rover to build these phones” 🤣🤣🤣
1:47 lmao
23:18 lmaoo. 😂
considering Iphone for the first time. should i get 15 or 15 pro ? The phone i am currently using is 8 years old samsung s10e
Pro. An iPhone without ray tracing will very soon be a paperweight.
@tonyburzio4107 i cant tell if ur sarcastic??💀
I would go for the pro, but not for that reason haha
So I think the latest IOS update removed the option for gmail signatures (with images) 😳
The horns for the cloth 💀 23:10
But if is lighter when is fall is less likely to break the glass.
I’m damn sure that airdrop is faster than usb 2
you dont have to wait for next year to guess what iphone 16 base model will be like .
A17 chip , action button and usb 3 . thats all basically features of iphone 15 pro
Hate apple for downgrading the cameras on the the smaller pro from the max…they are both pro so should have the same set up.
23:42 I imagine those comments about blue will have some effect on some people's buying choices. 😁
I was considering blue, but not anymore. 😂
3:13 to be clear, I predict the iPhone 16 will get the A18 chip - which will just be the A17 Pro without the USB 3 speed.
Nvidia definitely did not invent ray tracing. That was when they tried to put it on their high end card. But it was so bad it was slower than software ray tracing and also used so much power and generated so much heat it was useless. It took them a couple of years to get it to work usefully. It took them a couple of more years to work well. Considering the animus between Apple and Nvidia, I believe that Apple was giving a dig by saying that their new ray tracing was four times faster than the software ray tracing.
The tetra prism shortens the light path within the phone and opens up space for say, a larger battery. But all a periscope camera means is that the light path is bent 90 degrees, which is what happens here. The fact that the sensor is again bent 90 degrees is really exactly what a submarine periscope does.
I believe that Apple dropped the 128gb pro max because almost no one was buying it. Shooting Apple RAW and Prorez needs more storage. So the 128gb model was redundent.
The first gen RTX cards were way faster than software ray tracing, the problem was that at the time most games didn't support it and the ones that did didn't really use it that much, so the game in rasterisation only mode (which does no ray tracing at all) looked about the same but ran way faster. These days ray tracing is used more and the performance is definitely better, but there was never a time when software ray tracing was faster.
Thank you so so much for such unprecedented quality content
Being a tech fanatic, I cannot wait to meet you and spend quality time with you Marques.
Waiting for the full review of new iPhones
meet him and spend quality time with him..?
Err....
lol wild ass comment
@@ricardocampos3383 forreal lmao super cringe
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I might be getting the pro from 12 pro, IF, the action button have multiple command like normal single press and then double press, tripple press, hold
Only one command.
@@SanguinePink that's why I capitalize the IF
@@renofumi28 I see, maybe it’ll be an update.
...nvidia creating raytracing gives me some Newton created gravity bives
Yes yes camera zoom yes yes
11:23 agre-- oh i thought you were gonna say macbook touch id
10:24 VOICE MEMOS
Yea they need to go ahead and bring the gold back
Titanium is more scratch-resistant than stainless steel, isn't it?
I’m still pretty happy with my iPhone 13 Pro. I’m upgrading almost purely because of the brushed natural titanium. I’m a big fan of going caseless and the mirror shined sides are horrible if you’re raw fingering then 🤥
I am doing mine for the purpose of wanting to keep the value high on my iPhone without losing too much. I gather we can keep them for at least 3 years now and they still hold the $1,000 dollar trade in.
Why is the studio changed today?
1.5x is important! omg. its about lens compression
Wow, okay, so Nvidia did NOT create raytracing in 2018. That's like saying Apple invented mobile phones in 2007. (6:20 in this video)
Raytracing was effectively introduced to computer graphics by Turner Whitted in 1980. It's how we get reflections, refractions and bounced light in early CG. Very computationaly intensive.
Otherwise, this is a fantastic video- love the group chat. Just wait until you guys find out about Silicon Graphics and Crays. (My old company, where I worked)
The best thing about the Action button is it's potential...future iOS updates should and will take advantage of it
Maybe we’ll get real usb-c next year 💀
I think we have real USB-C, do you mean Thunderbolt?
Why nobody talks about how damn slippery modern phones are? Does not matter Apple or Samsung. They are big and good looking and I do not want to make them even bigger and uglier with cases but trey are hard to hold bc of slippery surfaces they have.
“Turns out, not much”
Titanium is not stronger than steel! It has a higher strength to weight ratio but the same size and shape (volume) of steel is stronger!
Nuts how really almost everyone and his grandma is opting for the natural titanium iPhone 15 Pro 🤷🏻♂️
Im glad i went with the black one, because only the black and blue iPhone have PVD coating over the raw titanium.
People pick the natural because if the pvd coating is scratched deep enough it will expose the natural titanium and it will be very obvious.
Regardless i also preordered the pro max black
But but but…. I really like the blue one 🥺
Ray tracing was around in the 90's
6:00 David is funny :)
24:10 WOW!
apple should release a gaming console
« do you really transfer that much data? » well I wish I could, and I very much would but I dont have 12 hours in front of me to transfer all my photos through usb freakin 2.0
Damn that was interesting. Ill buy a pro version for my daughter's birthday and I'm watching all those videos like I'm gonna use a iphone 😂😂😂
Forget about your daughter and treat yourself with iPhone for once after your hard work raising your kids.
@@monsterrr1999 😭😭😭😭😭😭. You the real mvp
Titanium does not scratch easier.
For many years ray tracing just seemed like a buzzword
15 pro is less durable whe it comes to drops because of the rounded edges
it is absolutely unacceptable to use usb 2.0 in any phone. Unacceptable
10:54 OKK COOL
Finally can say I won’t upgrade
That you need to buy a 79 euros usb cable to have usb c speed!!!
Keeping my iPhone 📱 14 pro max and Apple Watch ⌚️ Ultra
Can I come work for you. Your buddy, that’s being paid to collaborate with tech’s best TH-cam influencer ,“explained” Ray Tracing as if he was some random blue shirt at Best Buy. Please do not give that man any responsibilities ever again. Holy hell was he off the mark. Nvidia didn’t create ray tracing in 2018. It’s been around since the 80’s. Why explain something you know nothing about 😂. Common MKBHD, I expect more from a man of your intellect.
23:30 OMG IT'[S CALLED NATURAL NOT RAW LMAOOOOO
As an average user, this all doesn't really matter to me. Pixel 8 is my go to phone. Ef the status symbol😊
This waveform setup looks kind of uncomfortable. Especially in the full view
7:10 stardew valley.