Stihl Clone Chainsaw back in the shop AGAIN! Is it worth it? You Decide! Neotec NS892 92cc Review
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My name is Bre. I took two years of small engine repair at the local college. When I left school, I fell into a wonderful job at a local small engine shop where I worked the counter for a couple years. In 2010 my husband and I opened up our own small engine shop in central Arkansas where I am able to work alongside my family and best friends. We see over 2,000 pieces of small engine equipment every year, and answer 1,000's of small engine questions. We specialize in brands such as Briggs and Stratton, Kohler, Echo and Shindaiwa, but work everyday on MANY other brands like Stihl, Husqvarna, Honda, Craftsman, Remington, Red Max, Troy Bilt, Scag, Bad Boy, Hustler, World Lawn, Poulan, Mantis, Etc.. Hopefully, my experience I share, will save you Time, Money and Frustration in the future!
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I’m ecstatic right now and so proud of you. I understand that feeling and it is so rewarding. Good for you. I’m inclined to learn to do this as I’m getting older. IDK I’d have to hire someone to pull those strings or I might pass out 😂. I must say I was so fascinated by your intensity that I focused mostly on your fingers while you were working. Mostly, I am still a man. You are every bit as competent as any dude I know doing the same skill set. Bravo and with much respect. Sincerely. Chip.
As a retired heavy diesel mechanic I always love watching folks work on engines of any size. Love your videos It is very educational for everyone that has mechanical know how or just want to learn new things
Good job trying to figure it out, plus you did it. You know you’re little motor.
Aw! Thanks so much for watching!
@@ChickanicI have a question. I have a Stihl weed trimmer. And it has the easy spool. But it stops feeding after so many cuts. Seems like it gets stuck and will not release the string.
@@Chickanic...What's your personal opinion about the best chain saw brands out today?.
You stay outa this let the men do the saw work
I appreciate your tenacity and dogged determination for troubleshooting. Well Done Lady. I enjoy your videos.
Im 73 now and usually find it better to buy the better quality. There are no cheap tools folks, they either work or they do not but I usually find that the better quality tools work better, last longer, and are more comfortable to use. All my tools are OLD and work just fine thank your.
The problem is that modern marketing and outsourcing means that the only difference between cheap and expensive just comes down to how well the QA is. Obviously that cheap saw was pretty high quality compared to chainsaws decades ago.
@@ryelor123, actually there are still quality saws made today. Look at what saws are being used by professional lumberjacks. They are not using cheap saws. I bought a cheap almost new no name saw for $60 awhile back. It started first pull when I tried it out. I got it home and it's been one thing after the other.
@@bradleynelson5915 I have a Stihl 440 I bought new in 2007 that has been bulletproof. I repair my own saws and the 440 has required little to nothing. It looks newish and runs as good as a new Stihl 400c...just about same high power to weigh ration between 440 and 400c. I could sll the 440 for what I paid for it or close to it. It is not for sale. I used it commercial logging for a while too but now mainly firewood.
Finding the unusual problems and finally getting it to run makes you feel like a hero. I worked on A/C units and it seemed like I always got the hard to repair problems, but one thing I can say is those repairs will make you a better mechanic. Love your videos.
We always get better when challenged!
I cant get enough of your videos. You have helped me fix almost all of my and my neighbors machines. Everything from a chain saw to large riding mowers. I have started collecting small engine machines and fixing them..
Thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart. ❤
I've been collecting myself too😊..
What a nice vicarious thrill we had to watch you start it on the first pull! Some of a technician's compensation definitely comes from the satisfaction of a properly functioning machine. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and adventures with us.
Your videos are always great to watch. You are really intuitive as a small engine mechanic. Love how you quickly go through engine troubleshooting checklist to zero in on and fix the problem. Always learn something watching your videos!
I'm gonna buy one of them because there's just not enough hassles in my life. 🤣
That is Funny.!!
C'est rigolo!!! (Et la dame est bien jolie!)
Hey Chickanic, thanks for all the helpful content. You and Steve's Small Engine Saloon have taught me a lot about small engine repair! Y'all have earned yourselves some subs.
Aw! Thanks so much!
@@Chickanic not to mention, I will not allow anyone in my family to use TrueFuel ever again 😂
@@Funzone49 You know it's funny you mention that. I found out this week that Trufuel is showing parts of my video at their sales meeting when they go to distributors. Bwahahahahah! I guess I did make an impact.
@@Funzone49what?!?! TruFuel is GREAT!!!
for starting a bonfire
@@Chickanic 😂 that's hilarious
If it happens anymore, check the fuel tank vent. If it plugs to where it won't allow pressure to escape tank, the pressure in the tank will push the fuel to the point of stretching diaphragm and flood saw super easy. If it plugs not allowing air into the tank it will starve for fuel. the tank has to vent both directions, in and out.
saws, weed eaters and other devices meant to run at all angles do not allow venting out of the cap, they in fact have a one way rubber check valve built into the cap and carburetors are designed to hold back any fuel pressure that occurs, without allowing any leakage. I've seen them blow lines off, blow the cap apart and split the tanks before, all without carburetor leaking anything and being useable afterwards.
@@throttlebottle5906 must have had some super strong diaphragms and needle springs in the carburetor, lol
@@throttlebottle5906 but if you had enough pressure to blow lines and split tanks, it would have been flooding for sure, just like saw in the video.
@@terryblack1 on diaphragm pumper style carburetors, pressure pushes the diaphragm up and closes the needle/seat even harder, the spring alone will hold back quite a bit of pressure. a hardened diaphragm or one with the pin not in the fork will make a mess, as seen in video.
@@throttlebottle5906 the pressure is what will stretch the diaphragm. Don't know of any 2 stroke chainsaws that do not have diaphragm carburetors. I do know what happens when pressure builds up because I have fixed several that people thought it would be a good idea to put a duckbill valve where it should not be, but I've only been working on chainsaws for 40+ years.🤷♂
I truly admire your patience and persistent outlook. Many of us would have thrown it.
I really enjoy your videos! Learn something almost every time I watch one of yours! Nothing more discouraging than a plus 3 pull small engine! Been working on stuff since my dad fixed me up a small tool box when I was 8. He was tired of me scattering his tools! Lol. Was working at a service station when I was 13 and a young man needed money for gas and I bought 2 tool boxes of tools for $15 to get him down the road! I think gas was 26 cents a gallon then (1963). Still the best buy I ever made! Thanks for your time and sharing! 👍😎✌️🇺🇸
I love to watch you work on equipment. You are so persistent and meticulous even checking on what you had just repaired. Thank you for making my day when you post a video. I know you'll get to the source of the problem. We'll see you next time.
Fun watching you. Pretty mechanic
Am I the only person watching these videos hoping it won't start? I could watch this lady pull starting for ever 😂😂😂❤❤❤
Oh hell, yeah, brother. I was rooting for the chainsaw. And at the end, when it started first try... my heart sank.
The camera angle has it’s importance too !
@@Roucasson Sure beats watching male mechanics butt cracks! More than one male viewer was distracted lol.
I absolutely love her personality but yes, she ain't bad to look at.
Something that makes me more confident about possible war with China is the fact their weapons are, "Made in China" 😂
Her personality is great, but yes, she is HOT!
I bought the Holzfforma 92cc chainsaw a year ago. Starts right up every time and never regretted buying it.
We Learn every day and get free lessons in Mechanical contraptions, I like that you were seriously doing what it takes to fix it. Great work from an Old Mechanic that likes you and your videos.
Just turned 71, and I sometime cuss my 460 cause it's so heavy, but I love how it cuts. If I feel lazy, I may pull out the Huskie. But I'll be damned if I will ever use a China Chainsaw! A trick that I recently learned on starting a big Stihl, is a little dash of gas on the air filter. It will help save your shoulder.
That gas trick is the way to go instead of pulling your arm off! Like minds!
spray fuel mix on the filter even helps cranky old vintage Homelites start. I'm an Echo man, and my experience has been they start easier than Stihl. Guess the Stihls are still the best for commercial use as nearly all the tree guys use them.
That was worth waiting for. 10 out of 10 for tenacity. two strokes can be frustrating, And it's good to see an expert having problems as well 🙂
I have one of them big saw and it’s been trouble free for years. Just a simple maintenance. I love it.
Lifelong small engine, outboard tech here, two stroke magic!!..Easy on your rotator cuff.., Thanks for posting all these!!
I like your determination on solving problems. This onw took a long time but you got it. Great job.
You're the best Bre. The process to analyze an issue is exactly the way it should be done.🤔
I have a 40YO Stihl 036 chain saw. It starts, it idles, it cuts very well. I am very impressed. Can not beat it.😎
Really enjoy watching your channel small engine repair. It’s been kind of a challenge for me. I’m learning a lot watching you. Thank you.
My brother in law and his neighbor tinker with small engine stuff. He's not into online, social media, internet stuff at all. I told him about your channel and my sister is mad! He watches you on the big screen now!lol Seriously, I've learned so much from your channel. And Steve's! Thanks for doing what you do!
Great video. I’ve built a lot of the clone saws for a customer that loves the things. They can be good saws but there is a lot more chasing down little things that don’t have to be done with the name brands. One thing that I’ve always had issues with is the tank vent. The china tank vents close off and will not vent and fill a crankcase full of gas. I usually switch them out for OEM Stihl vents and all is good. Happy wrenching.
I've learned allot watching your channel. I've recently repaired two of my Stihl trimmers (FS 110, FS 130). Both had lost compression. Carried it to the local dealer and he tried to sell me a new unit.
Got on you tube and learned the 4- strokes have a history of issues with valve adjustment and cam gear separation. One unit (FS 110 only required a valve adjustment, however, the other I had to replace the cam gear. The molded metal cover that cover the fly weight and spring had separated. Now they both run like new. By the way, I found a new (awesome)dealer who told me the truth. He said with proper maintenance these engines are bullet proof.
My favorite part was the expression of pure joy on your face when it started first pull. I know that feeling of a hard won success.
It is very clear you have been doing this for years, Bre! That really is a great saw, with the caveat that it is ONLY great if you have a Chicanic on call to make it right---out of the box and months down the road! Since I live a few states away, I will keep buying factory Stihls.
Great video. I’ll give you this, you are dedicated to your skil. Most mechanics would’ve given up long before you fixed it. Thx and keep making videos, Bobby.
Great channel, you are right on the money with your fuel and the way you toss out the existing.
As a fireman for 35 years, we had fuel issues forever, 20 years ago we started using Aviation gas 100 octane, Low lead!
This is used in ANYTHING using gasoline... Lawn mower to Jaws of life. If our saw or tool doesn't operate, it is NOT from the fuel.. Great show and you truly appear to be a great mechanic! Keep up the entertainment. Larry
Thanks for the video, and as I'm also working on brush cutters, chain saws and push lawn mowers I to have learnt to check every possible fault n the common thing is the carb diaphragm
That saw is lucky it was his saw and not mine because it would have been in the scrap pile. I'm amazed at your tenacity to figure it out. Plus it makes for another one of your great videos. Thank you!
Love your videos , I am beginning to get a clue as to why my crap won't run . I am no mechanic ,my philosophy of life is that there is no problem that can not be fixed by the use of TNT.....
Lady I just found your site yesterday and I am amazed at the knowledge that you have
of working on these small machines. Sometimes you just luck out and find the problem.
My absolute favorite is from a wonderful channel who once operated a "Chain Saw" brand chain saw. "Chain saw chain saw" was a top handle saw as I recall.
I've seen you before on these videos, now I've subscribed, because problems like this being solved is a good way to see how to avoid real issues 'down the line' when I get a problem with a saw or three in for a bit of work too :)
Thanks for this one.
I am surprised at the amount of lawn care products powered by off-brand engines at the box stores! And expensive prices to boot! But to get a known brand engine, it's almost double the price. So it's understandable why places such as yours are getting them in the shop for repair. Home ownership is expensive! Love that you reconditioning old equipment for resale at reasonable cost. To be honest! Repaired products are oftentimes more reliable than the new out of the box. Plus, you know it's in operational condition.
I own the same saw, 3 years and still rocking trouble free.. I run it almost every day BTW..
I have to mention this. Back in 1989. I bought an echo CS 500 VL chainsaw used. I don’t know how old it was when I bought it but it ran good and that’s all I cared about. I had never owned an echo outdoor equipment anything before. This thing just won’t quit running. All I’ve ever done to it is changed bars and chains when they are worn out and I’ve always run real good gas through it and the air filter has always been cleaned. I swear I have use this thing over and over and over again as I burn wood and have burned wood for years. I recently got it out because I haven’t used it in several years. I dumped the gas out of it and put fresh gas in it, and it started on the third pull. What is it with this old chainsaw? It just won’t quit running. I love this thing I will never trade it for a new one no matter what. As far as I’m concerned, Echo makes the best chainsaw on the market. I can’t even imagine something lasting this long that was purchased today new.
You do a Great Job of explaining things! Thanks for all you do.
I’ve been serious in the chainsaw game for a while now and my opinion is: Chinese clone saws are an awesome value IF you know how to rebuild and fix chainsaws. With the clones you have the potential to get a saw comparable with an OEM saw for 1/3 to 1/4 of the price. However, they usually need some tuning at a minimum and many times they will need a seal replaced or some carb parts or a new coil. But in my opinion they are great bargains with just a few OEM parts or some tuning.
It’s still crap from a Chinese company that STOLE all the R&D that Stihl put into it. Anyone who buys one of these deserves all the problems they get. Full stop.
Or you can get a Husky for half the price of the Stihl and just replace consumables....
same here a bargain
or buy an orange color brand name saw which starts with E. and made in a country starting with J.; from saw suppliers or better yet your local servicing dealer. You'll spend all day sawing and not tinkering with pos China junk.
I run 6 Holzfforma saws are my property.
G440, G460, G660, G070, 372xp, g40
Awesome saws for the money.
Lot of power. Once you learn how to run them you will never back to OEM saws
I gave away all my OEM used Stihl for free....
My clone ms250 did the same thing. The boot that goes on the spark plug has a coil in it that snaps on to the end of the spark plug. That coil turned sideways up inside the connector so it wasn't attaching to the plug. Once I realized it I got it on right and it started. Was a fun 2 hours.
Your my kind lady & not afraid to spend a little energy to figure things out ! You got my sub !
Great Job Bre! You handled this repair like a professional. I knew when the customer said he was using the choke to kill the engine that some how it was causing his problems. Great Job finding the misplaced metering diaphragm too. I wish I could take my Stihl MS250 to have you repair it. It leaks all over.
what prevents you from checking your saw yourself? its not rocket sience, its not even a moped. it´s so simple i as an it-guy have dissassembled 2 and reassembled, 2nd pull started. if you are unsure about something, watch a video about that problem.
When I was a Stihl dealer, their advertising slogan was, "A Bargain Is Not A Deal Unless It's A Stihl". Fact.
Excellent videos with an equally excellent presenter. At 75 and still using a chainsaw regularly, I just wish I had her flexible knees! :) Many thanks for the enlightenment Chickanic you are a real TH-cam treasure! Rob, FNQ,Au
I missed the vid from 15:25 to 16:20 because I was Cuba Libre chairdancing. Then I danced at 25:45 when the pull start was a WIN. Thanks for all your videos.
Stay gold.
I so enjoyed the look of success on your face when it started on first pull! Great video.
You are awesome at figuring out what is wrong. I wish you lived closer to my neck of the woods. Nice job!!!
I love my Echo chain saw It usually starts by the 3rd or 4th pull, even after sitting in my garage for many months.
Glad you're watching out for us and our power tool needs, Bre!! Thanks for the video!
Thanks so much for your continued support watching! You Rock!
@@Chickanic Believe it or not, your videos are an important part of my schedule! They are not only informative but very entertaining! ❤❤
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I bought the Holtzforma clone for the Husky 372 2 years ago for under $200 just for grins and expecting the worst. It runs exactly as good as my original Husky 372 and looks and behaves the same after I had to swap out the bar, sprocket and chain to the same used on the Real 372. The only repair so far was a $6 shut off switch.
I purchased off eBay one of those Red and White 52cc China clones of the Zenoah 5200. It cost $75 with free shipping at that time (2 years ago). Yeah I was expecting a a real piece of crap joke and yeah some aspects of it are. That thing has run like a champ and has already paid for itself five times over. I did install a paper air filter conversion kit upgrade and you have to run it at 32:1 so it smokes. Chains for it are soft and crappy but they are like $8-10. A whole new top end with gasket is around $25, carb $10 ect…
My Stihl MS261 is a much better saw but it did cost $600 8 years ago. God forbid I have to buy any OEM part for it at some point.
This was the best detective story I've watched in a long time. Kept me on my seat edge all the way to the end. Well done!!!
Excellent video. Love your patience with checking everything and finding the solution to the problem. Keep up the good work!
Great video BREE,I liked the way you explained what you felt the issue was. And how to check for it.The diaphragm part was the most informative.The fingers on the needle lever capture the diaphragm and that what feeds fuel into the cylinder. NOW i finally understand what impulse feed means?So that's one reason when the diaphragm gets HARD it may not run right.that makes so much sense now ,THANK YOU.I want to see more videos where you have problems and try {even if you don't fix the issue}to diagnosis what's wrong.Cause when you learn >we learns thanks Bree.
At first I thought the metering lever was installed backwards because the needle valve end also has a notch to capture the needle valve. But I doubt the saw would even run in the reversed position. And this is the first carb I have seen where the metering diaphragm pin is captured by the metering lever. I would really like to know what brand carb this is. Cheers
When that saw started first pull I'm grinning from ear to ear!
I love sorting things
....and watching clever people sort things
The obvious pleasure at having solved the problem made my enjoyment of your video even better ! "good jog girl" as they say in the USA.
An easy way to rig something to hold the throttle trigger open, is I have used 2 different things. 1. A loop of house solid 14ga wiring, looped around the handle grip, and slide it up to hold the trigger open. 2. twisty tye .. can do the same thing. Both - can adjust the loop size to adjust the amount you want the throttle to be held open, if not holding WOT. Just a thought. Been doin this for over 40 years..
I think the problem is the marvel mystery oil affecting the rubber diaphragm. It has an additive to soften rubber seals Just a thought
80 tries, patience is a virtue! Great job Bree!
Hi I just enjoyed 27:47 minutes of you working on a chainsaw.
Thank you from someone in the UK 😊
I have two of these NS892’s that I bought from Neotec as “project saws” that were returned by customers. One is rebuilt with Hyway piston and cylinder and runs great. The other one is being rebuilt now and had a bent crankshaft. They’re great if you like to work on saws.
What causes a bent crank on a chainsaw...? Hydrolocking?
I LOVE if "if you like to work on saws", only problem unless you are a professional saw mechanic ; you aren't making any money or cutting you any firewood with the saw all torn apart on your work bench.
probably going to look at a few of these for my grandfather since his workers keep blowing up everything they touch anyway 😂
Check out the NeoTec/Farmmac 72cc F380 which is a copy of the 038 Magnum II for under $400. Taiwan made not China, Walbro Carb, Italian ignition, NGK plug ect.
One thing I've learned, especially with saws, you get what you pay for. If you buy an off brand or cheap big box store saw, 7 out of 10 you're going to get a pos out of the box, if you get one that works, as soon as you start putting a few hours on it, things go down hill quick and after a couple years you usually end up with a pos. You're better off saving up and just going to a Stihl or Husqvarna dealership and buying a good saw. Even if you plan on using the saw only occasionally, in my opinion, you're still better off.
I agree, I once buy chinese Husqvarna copy as sparesaw if need second saw. it runs but rews are slow so cutting speed too. After one year, all gas pipes were rotten to pieces. I replace them with generic hose but I dont trust that saw, pos, but it cost only 79 euro (85 USD).
I agree with you 100 percent you get what you pay for.
The Chinese have no quality control. They play the odds. My local Stihl dealer has nightmare stories about new saws that won't start. Come to find out the carbs are missing pieces. Again, Stihl carbs are made in Shenzhen, China, no quality control. So the knockoffs are disposable. They might get you through the warranty. If they don't and you take it back, the big box store just writes it off. China wins. If it's out of warranty, you go buy another brand, probably also Chinese. China wins again. Our U.S. $$ are supporting China's economy. But Stihl and Husq make it hard to buy their more expensive equipment when many of their parts are also made in China.
@@steadyeddie7453 damn I thought Stihl saws were supposed to be either made in USA or made in Germany. I don't doubt they use some Chinese parts, the tag will say "MADE IN USA, with foreign and domestic components" in smaller writing. Only time will tell, you will know soon enough when you start putting hours on it. If it's cheap made, it won't hold up for long!
The hell of it all is the saw in this video is made in Taiwan not mainland China. Last time I checked we were friends with Taiwan. NeoTec/Farmmac is trying to up the Clone game with better saws apparently. Check out the FarmMac F380.
Meanwhile Stihl is increasingly using parts produced in China while reducing or laying off the US workforce.
So cool how you never give up and a true mechanic. always gets a thrill out of success. absolutely loved. this video.
She is the difference between a mechanic and a parts changer. I would let her work 'fix" any thing.
I am also a "Knuckle-Buster" growing up a Farm Kid. I saw TRUE JOY on your face at the confirmation of your no start theory through the deductive reasoning process. I recognized it immediately! If there's a better feeling of satisfaction under heaven... let me know. I've not found it yet! Not many folk find the intersection where passion and calling meet. But you have! Much Obliged for all your efforts to educate and for all the work it takes to share it across the WWWeb.
Be Well Sister!
When the choke is flipped closed while the engine is running anything above an idle, it creates a large vacuum. More than enough to dislodge the diaphragm from the needle lever. So the fact that the kill wire was disconnected explains the malfunction. Stihl chainsaws from way back in the 70's and 80's with Tillotson carbs were known for this, and I used to carry a spare carb kit or diaphragm in my pack when cutting logs. But usually it worked ok to just put it back together. When working as a cutter on the west coast back then we seldom shut the saw off, just kept going until it ran out of gas. Fewer troubles that way.
Interesting! Thanks for the information!
Just a thought, I saw on Steve's Small engine saloon that they make a spiral diaphragm. Would that have worked on this soft or not?
Agree with leaving the saw running. Restarting a warm saw can be tricky. Choke it? Half choke? No choke? You have to find the sweet spot. Every saw is different. And btw- Stihl carbs are all now made in Shenzhen, China. They had a manufacturing plant built there in 2017 or 2018.
Hi Bre, you truly are amazing to have seen the diaphragm out of place. My comment is: I am sure you have worked on many pieces that come in that the customer doesn't tell you that they might have given it a try at home to repair it themselves. I think you might have one of those situations on this repair. What you think? Greetings from Sunny South Carolina.
Agree 100%. When a customer brings me their equipment I ask so many questions that I am probably annoying. But it often reveals important information, like a DIY attempt. So I never assume parts are in the correct places. Then if it's a no start problem I have them try to start it while I watch carefully. Often times they are doing something wrong. And these tiny engines can flood easily so you have to figure out just when to apply and release the choke.
YES. Agree on the that.
I have a Toro string mower. It worked great for two seasons, always started on the 1st pull. It ceased starting last fall and I put it up for the winter. When I worked on it for spring, I discovered that it had a plastic carburetor with a couple of brass jet inserts. I also discovered that it didn't have a fuel filter. It acted like it wasn't getting fuel. Tried clearing the carb in an ultrasonic cleaner. No success. Purchased a Chinesium replacement and added a fuel filter. Running fine this season.
I purchased a Neotec 872 but had the ability to take it apart and fix what was not right and then did my own port job on it. The starter rewind failed after 2 starts. The chain oiler was not working. The channel from the tank to pump was clogged with assembly debris. Fixed all that and obtained OEM flip caps and decomp valve and modified the chain adjuster to better tighten the bar. A custom base gasket with .020” squish. A second exhaust port on the muffler. Using Schaeffer’s Supreme 7000 tc-w3 Efree gasoline 32:1. This thing just absolutely performs with authority. Lots of torque. I understand this company continues to improve the quality of the product so units purchased today may be much better than when first released. I know any professional user of a Stihl chainsaw only receives a 3 month warranty with it. FWIW. Great video! Enjoyed.👍
Just received my Farmmac F380W ….quite impressed is my initial impression.
My rule of thumb has been if you have to spend more than half of what the thing costs new for a repair, then scrap it!
The second time it comes in, do not spend more than 25% on what the new item cost. Unless it is easy to repair and most likely if you are a DIYer.
After this repair, how much total will your client have spent? What does a new one cost? There you have you answer.
I have a Farmertec...similar chinese Stihl clone. It works for occasional use, but you should know how to work on them because a lot more stuff will break than on a genuine stihl. The good news is that you can use real Stihl parts as replacements and eventually have a more reliable saw.
Unfortunately, the Stihl saws (at least the MS series) are now made with mostly Chinese parts. Not sure if the entire saw is made in China. This may be why more people are buying the less expensive Stihl knockoff. Why pay for the Stihl name when the parts are Chinese?
You are right ! These NeoTec/FarmMac saws are made entirely in Taiwan whereas Stihl saws can and do have Chinese made parts. Meanwhile Stihl has been laying off US workers. Everything is so twisted these days and people can’t take 15 minutes to concentrate, read and research anything.
I can buy 4 Neotec/FarmMac 872’s/380’s with 24” Bars for the price of ONE similar size “Pro” MS series Stihl with Chi-Com parts.
@steadyeddie7453 Apparently, even though some Sthil parts are made in China, the quality control is much better. If it wasn't their saws, would be the same POS as the clones are.You really do get what you pay for. Additionally, the clones have a resale value of zero as well as no pride of ownership whatsoever. Not to mention they aren't reliable and can't be trusted to last or not go tits up when you need them the most..If you have the money to blow and want to play around with these things fine, but if money is tight and you need one good saw this aint it. Save up and buy a Husky, Stihl or an Echo. It would be foolish to blow your hard earned money on junk.
Love your videos. Have learnt so much. Still have a couple of saws I am not game to try to fix. Mainly try are no names but were good saws for years for me. Parts main reason. Fixed all my old brush cutters now have 6. Thxs for the great tips and entertainment. 😊
What amazing mechanic...very good at what she does!!
Thanks again Bre for another great video!! I, myself like the longer videos because it means you go a little more in depth on what you're working on. I would like some v twin riding mower engine vids. Have a great weekend and try to stay cool!!
Loved the video.
Good diagnosis with a few thrown in. 💪
Good catch on the carb issue. Good attention to details.
Longer videos are great also.
mechanic for years until I Just had enoughhhh was on trains. but motors are motors and YOU KNOW YOUR SCHITCK GOOD JOB.
Thanks allways learning .You are a good teacher.
Hi, it's a miracle how the chain saw went... I couldn't believe the needle valve lifter, it was the other way around as you said! :) these are Chinese products and the quality assurance also leaves something to be desired. But you've solved this skillfully :) I'm a hobby mechanic, I fixed a few machines, a lawnmower, a chainsaw, a hedge trimmer, I also encountered a few strange things :) have a nice day bye :)
The Chinese generally don't have quality control. They play the odds. If 20% fail after 1 year, the consumer either has it repaired or junks the equipment. If they go buy a new one China wins again. If a new one fails out of the box, the big box stores just write it off. China wins.
I bought Holzfforma G660, I have 5 other saws, Stihl & Husqvarna, but they we’re taking forever to cut through these 4-5 foot rounds I was cutting short enough to split with my splitter, I’m very happily suprised, I wanted it for that job I had & that was it, now I use it all the time no problems, I got way more than the $300 I paid out of it
Same with my G660
Check out the FarmMac F380.
There was an amazing amount of persistence in tracking down the real problem.
My first chainsaw was a Chinese saw and it had a few issues later on down the track. Later on i end up buying a stihl and never had issues with that for years besides servicing it.
I'm guessing that it was under 100...around 96 pulls? You are amazing at figuring out the problem. I look forward to all of your videos!❤
The customer will be back in the near future for a new pull cord!
I was shocked to see you did not use the engine decompressor. It's there for a reason and make the cranking mechanism and your arm to last much longer.
But on a saw prone to flooding, it can make it worse to clear out
ENjoyed the video. Good job on your mechanics. I just got done trouble shooting and repairing my tiny Stihl 192c. The impulse line has slipped off, the fuel feed line had a tear and the primer bulb had a tear. I have it starting first pull. Good enough lol. I can figure the throttle linkage and handle later on...that is a task unto itself. I have repaired and run my saws for decades....never had any shop work on them. Born and raised on a tree farm and had my own logging truck and forwarder while doing commercial logging. I have done that and been there. I had a band saw too and built a whole house framing with bandsaw lumber.
There is nothing like the feeling when you fight with a gas smelling saw for hours or days and finally figure out what the problem is. I noticed your big smile...I did the same thing this morning when the 192 fired and ran like new. I made my own fuel feed line so I will have toget the oem one...or more than likely run my universal homemade one for the next decade. You should see some of the stuff I did to keep my commercial logging equipment running lol.
Got the little 192 all together and all washed and pretty. It runs like new and I cut some bushes blocking my summertime view. I have that I just fixed my chainsaw high. I actually get despondent when one of my saws is not running top performance. That 192 weighs a little over 7 lbs... love it. I am going to get a 261 sooner or later. I like pro saws with lowest weight to power ratio and I use the lightest saw for the job! Have a good one.
A lot of Farmertec saws had throttle linkage problems when they first came out. I replaced the throttle rod, trigger, control lever with Stihl oem parts for the 660 when I built mine. The key it to make sure the throttle plate opens in half choke position otherwise it will be almost impossible to start.
It's simple, people. If you buy a chainsaw made in Sinomanderjing, do not expect the mechanic you didn't buy it from to be pleased to see it when it breaketh!
Don't care'eth!!!!
She provides a repair service and so far she calls it like she sees it. If anything she made she made a mistake was to call it a Stihl clone. Paint isn't everything.
@@snakeboren4814and we found the guy who assembled the carb wrong at the factory..
I see your point. But, on the other hand, he's paid to have it fixed twice. My guess....it will be back.
@@Boga217I don't work at ..A damn factory!!!!
I'm still concerned about the choke binding and the kill switch issue. Probably related, but it's a safety issue. Any idea why they malfunctioned, and is it probable it'll happen again?
If that's the factory bar on it. Your customer doesn't run it much. Cheap junk
I have a Remington 20" saw. It was flooded during hurricane Harvey. It took a few hours of spraying WD 40 into the cylinder to flush out mud. Fortunately the carb was spared.
It'll fire up on the 2nd pull every time.
Pretty decent brand with good quality on all the parts.
Hey Chickanic, I dry them out after turn them upside down put the piston down till the exhaust port is open and put your blow nozzle in the sparkplug hole and blow. It seems to dry them out quickly, blow off the plug and its good to go.
other side of the coin is, that's two more repairs in 9 months than my stihl has had in 9 years.
Maybe you should use it. My Chinese 25.4CC deathtrap chainsaw is over 2 years old and hasn't needed any servicing.
My biggest worry was that we were about to have a wardrobe malfunction!!!
I’ve learned a lot from your videos your a remarkable mechanic thanks 👍
Such a happy, beautiful, smile when that saw started on the first pull. I would watch hour long video if you posted them. Your videos are always informative, interesting and enjoyable to watch. Always brings a smile when you show up in my 'watch list'.
We’re in West Texas so I know you’ll are burning up also
Don’t over do it and drink lots of water 😊
Yea, we only have one window unit in the shop. I stand in front of it all day. LOL!
I almost expected you to say "There's your dinner" when it started!😂
It is quite possible Taryl has that phrase copyrighted.
@@markbaker1843 Probably right. Thank goodness Bre has prettier teeth! 😂
I had one of these chinesium saws and got one tree down and basically went straight to the garbage can. Bought the equivalent saw from Stihl and there is no comparison. Price is obviously much higher but I have cut three trees and various bucking duties left over from the other saw. Still looks and runs like brand new. Love my Stihl.
Like most Chinese made consumer products, you have to consider them disposable. The labor rate to repair doesn't decrease just because you bought a hundred dollar saw. Unfortunately, Stihl has gotten worse over the years with more plastic and Chinese made parts. They're still superior to a Chinese saw but the gap is closing. Plus, buying a knockoff is sending U.S. dollars to China, supporting their economy. Sad.
Guys don’t do enough research to understand they are running a Chinese part saw labeled Stihl at 4x the price. Neotec is apparently trying to make comparable saws at 1/3 the price.
Thank you for being so good at explaining everything
Call it what it is, an inexpensive chainsaw. I've got a Stihl 181 and a very nice 032. A while ago a very large pine tree fell on an almost as large oak tree and blocked my road. Way beyond the ability of the 181 I broke out the 032 and got to work. After about 3 tanks of gas the coil on the 032 gave out which for a 70s saw didn't really surprise me. What did surprise me was the dealer wanted $290.00 for the coil alone! Yikes!! If memory serves me, I paid about the same money to buy the whole saw in 1977. The trees were 40" across so I needed a large cheap saw. I went to the used market and found mostly junk and folks who wanted almost new prices for well-worn but serviceable saws. Amazon to the rescue and I decided to buy a Holtzforma MS660 which is a Stihl clone from China. I'm not going to wax poetic about great a saw it is because in reality it is only adequate. With enough pulls and holding your mouth just right it always starts. It's heavy, poorly balanced with a 36" bar, and, while it may be a clone the parts used that you touch spell CHEAP. Still, it finished the job and has done a couple of others since. If you take the Chinese clone saw for what it is and not what they want you to believe (a Stihl for less money), then I think you will be fine. If dealing with China causes you heartburn, I understand. I wish I could get my 032 running again without paying the cost of a new saw to do so. If I could I never would have paid $372.14 for the Holtzforma with a 36" bar and chain.