I've been heavily involved in Honda/Acura world for nearly 20 years. Two major issues with this car. 1 - Honda continues to strip cars to help Acura sales. They took away V6 in the Accord to help TLX sales. They took away from Si what it already had (heated seats, adaptive dampers and fog lights) to boost Integra sales (which they only made 6MT on the most expensive trim to further push you away from Si). They intentionally dumb-down engines in Hondas to boost Acura (2016 Accord Sport had same engine as the TLX 2.4 and ILX 2.4 but Accord had 189hp vs 200+ in Acura). Then there's the Canadian models. Same thing happened with the 10th Gen Accord; Sport in US was based on LX while Canadian Sport was based on EX. This current Si in Canada gets fog lights, turn signals in mirrors, heated front AND rear seats, dual climate controls, parking sensors front AND back, digital gauges, etc.). And when converted into USD, it's cheaper in Canada (26K USD vs 27K USD in US). There's absolutely no excuse to remove heated seats, adaptive dampers and fog lights that the 10th Gen had - and jack up the price while taking away what was essentially thousands of dollars worth of equipment. I could go on but you get the idea.
Couldn't have said in a better way. My lease on 2.0T Accord 6-Speed was up and only choice I got right now is a Civic Si as Honda took away manual from Accord but I jumped off the Honda boat. Not going to pay almost same for a Si what I paid 3 years ago for a loaded Accord.
@@henrybrar I also have 2.0T 6MT. I paid $28K in 2019 for it, brand new with 2 miles on the odometer. Now it's the same price for this stripped sad excuse of a car. Honda (or Acura) has NOTHING right now that even closely interests me. The new Type R might be something I like but I expect $80-100K price once dealers get a grab of them because we all know that Honda corporate gives zero f*cks about keeping dealers from ripping people off.
@@YasssStitch My only regret is that I went to Carmax before going to Honda to buy my lease back and Carmax gave a $4500 check for it, I couldn't say no to it. I ended up getting a Gladiator Sports 6-speed and couldn't be more happy.
@@heithwatkins This 1.5T couldn't be more far away from NA. If you want an NA MT that's new(ish), find a 2016-2017 Accord 3.5 V6 6MT. No VCM, no turbo, no auto start/stop, real hand brake, etc. And it comes in EX-L trim which is super nice.
Too bad dealers are ruining it. In my area, 5k mark ups and no bargaining . I ended up with a GTI with more power and features for 2k under MSRP. Honda needs to get control of these greedy dealers
Where I’m from, 5K over MSRP is low. Some people are going 10-16K over MSRP. it’s ridiculous. Thankfully they’re getting more and more Si’s now so hopefully it’ll be less expensive soon
I love this car but I can’t bring myself to buy one without all the features that the Canadian version gets. There’s no excuse for the US market to get the short end of the stick while being more expensive than the Canadian version. It seems trivial but it just doesn’t feel good paying more money for less features. Add the heated seats, fog lights, etc. and I’d buy it.
Agreed. I've wanted an SI since I was a teenager, now I can finally easily afford one, and they wreck it. I could get the Integra, but the model you really want is pushing $40k if you put some cool bits on it. Honda managed to ruin TWO cars at once.
@@Jumperman12mac I really hope so, and I’m keeping my options open. Unless of course the Type R just blows me away, and maybe I’ll just jump to that. Or there is always the GR Corolla.
I bought a 2013 Civic Si sedan based on your review of that car 9 years ago! It's been a long time Sofyan and I've been a loyal watcher since then! Yes the 2013 has some bad rev hang and wayyy too much body roll, but it grips like a dream. It's also got a 0-60 in the 6.5 second range. My lifetime average mpg is about 28 and the highway I get 32 easily, but if you really hypermile it you can get 37. These new turbo engines aren't worth the headache, which is a shame because I think the new chassis and shifter setup is much much better. I'd love to take my K24 and an analogue gauge cluster and swap it into the new Si. Best of Both Worlds.
I love that Honda made the belt-line low with big windows which will provide excellent visibility. The trend has always been to raise the belt-line and put smaller and smaller windows. You can't even rest your elbow on the door with the window down on most cars nowadays.
@@braetonwilson4296 Yes but for a modern car it's excellent. The Civic and the Camry are the only cars that lowered the belt line compared to their predecessors. I used to think manufacturers kept raising the belt line for safety but then realized it's just cheaper for them to put smaller windows (less glass) and it also 'looks sleek'
This car looks stripped to hell. How on earth do the other lower trims get a wireless phone charger option, and the Si doesn’t? And way too much cheap hard touch plastic. Gross.
I don’t know man, as much as I want to love the Honda/ Acura brand it’s been so disappointing for me lately. Less HP and less features than the previous generation SI, but more expensive? Come on Honda. I don’t have much hope for the type R/S.
Are Civics for "people on a budget"? I would say they're just for normal people. Most people can't drop the money for an M3 or whatever. Half the appeal of this car is that it has a Honda engine, which means it's very reliable and not a gas-hog.
Affordable? I guess dealers don't know that lol markups here are 7k to 10k over sticker smh if you're spending nearly 40,000 for a Civic Si you've lost the plot completely
Honda/Acura has lost me with their Marketing Decisions - so I'm going to keep my 2019 ILX A-Spec with the DC Auto and currently 23,000 miles. I'm beginning to think that Honda should cancel the Acura Brand and just go with Honda in the USA the way things are going. Putting a 1.5L engine with a CVT in any Acura is NOT "Precision Crafted Performance" - it pure Marketing
The rear door panels as well as the rear door inserts not matching the front one is completely unacceptable and my God how much more money would it have really added to the car to have the same material there!
What a disappointment. I don’t get why Honda continues to get cheaper and cheaper. They keep cutting features and driving up prices. Pretty inexcusable.
Just got my sonic grey SI. It’s worth the extra 6 grand markup. It’s better than the 2010 Audi TT 2.0T, The 2014 passat CC VR6 4 motion or any other car I owned in the last 15 years. And yes I buy my cars new. The feel you get in this car is fantastic. Everything feels awesome. Steering, shifting and handling are a treat. Mpg is like no other in this segment. Truly love this car.
Little late to the party on this one. Went to buy this 22 si 3weeks ago, but apparently all 22’s are sold and spoken for. Put a deposit down but need to wait 4-6 months for the 23. I’m in Ontario 🇨🇦
It looks way better than the 10th gen. When the 2023 type r is unveiled i hope you get the chance to review because its going to be highly anticipated by many people and probably answering some of the questions below. 1. Will the new type r come with the a spare tire? 2. Does the type r come with a DCT transmission option? 3. Can it driven on a long road trip comfortably because on bucket seats especially for tall people like me can get severe lower back pain due to bolstering? 4. Will honda incorporate a bigger fuel tank then the previous gen like 50 litre tank to prevent filling more often especially long distance driving? 5. Can you guys do a comparison between the 10th gen and the 11th gen? and give us your pros and cons but also the entire Redline Review crew to give the viewers a whole perspective plus it will be a unique video for the channel. Great review and keep the awesome work.
It's not affordable if every dealer is marking it up $5k - $10k. Why not call that behavior out? You get our views and try to sell us these vehicles, please do more to call out the manufacturer and their dealers!
Last month I drove this, a GTI, Jetta GLI,, Veloster N, and a WRX. Bought this. The ride/fun/practically/price combination is what sold me. I like rhe Si's handling the best.
@@radiogreenblue Just returned from a 2 week business trip in a rental car. Missing my Si just made me appreciate it more. For my tastes, a good exterior, great interior & seats (although I wish they were available in leather), quality physical controls for everything (an increasingly rare thing), and the best manual shifting experience next to anything under $90K outside of a Type R. My 2nd choice was a Veloster N but more than I wanted to spend and I don't like the exterior styling or things like animated flames on the dash when switching into N+ mode. Last gen Civic's styling would make me not choose it, either. The current models though, I think strike an attractive sweet spot. Next direct up from this would be an Integra A Spec. Not worth the $ just for the hatch IMO, but still an upgrade.
This car is absolute trash imo. They ate marked up like krazy , slow af almost same weight as accord.. i wouldnt come close to buying this over the competition.. only modern hondas i like is type r is dope (idk about new gen) accord 2.0t is amazing) and odyssey is great on the inside and tye v6 and 10spd. Everything else is absolutely trash. The pilot and ridgelibe are modified minivans the passport is a pumped up crv.. oh crv is nice but if it had 2.0t option id very well consider one
I love this car so much but I refuse to pay that ridiculous markup which is 10K on average. For that type of money I could get a older model Dodge Durango.
Serious question.. how much more driving fun can you possibly have with a Civic Si vs. a Kia Forte GT? Same power, KIA offers better technology.. please don’t start with the “it’s KIA” 😂
Better technology??? This still has adaptive cruise control which is absent on the forte gt even on automatic models , this has a 9 inch screen with wireless apple carplay, and 7 inch digital gauge, while that has an 8 inch screen on Kia's older software with wired carplay, and 4 inch screen in between gauges. And this has a much better sound system and auto rev matching
@@steviewanderer5109 even with dct that has much cheaper interior and less tech features, and no lsd which is important on a fwd sporty car and if its elantra n line anything to go by then its dct is not that great, its strong point is that is its costs less
Cheap plastic covering the front end, small brakes, no adaptive dampers, no remote start, hard plastic interior, no power seats, no heads-up display, pathetic horn, no dual zone climate, heated, or cooled seats, tacked on center display, no navigation??, overall very cheap interior, poor acceleration, but a "phenomenal driving vehicle" for almost 30 grand? Bias.
One color, wth! Civic red always hot. Gloss interior trim, when will they learn? It's just not necessary in a car that is so practical. Love how you always wish they added those extra cost "options" when vehicle costs are already ridiculous. Classic reviewer wish list creep.
how does it lose horsepower 😂😂😂 thru out the years the next generation is going to have 150hp $30k for this is civic not worth it RIp 2 The Honda Civic Si 2022
the sawn song cars are coming soon with the transition away from combustion motors and manual transmissions. Look at the gems that came from the end of the b/h/d series, we got the EM1, S2K, Euro R. Im gearing up for what madness they will unleash in the last chapter. This car is not it, and they know it.
Wish it was a hatch. Wish that spoiler was body colored. Wish it had a manual parking brake. I'm OK with fewer amenities for budget performance. I want one and hope they don't become too heavily marked up because I think that would kill an otherwise ideal budget performance car.
The Si is solid, but for the money I don't feel like it's much better than the Elantra N-Line or Forte GT, and those offer a 7 SPD DCT. If the Acura Integra does come out with. 2.0t with at least WRX power at 271 HP and an available 10 SPD from the Accord instead of the CVT, I'd consider it. As of now, if I'm shopping this class I'd probably just spend 26k for the Forte GT. I'd throw in the Jetta GLI for conversation, but their reliability is so poor I wouldn't consider the VW.
@@steviewanderer5109 yes sir, I drove a 2020 GT around for about a week. Feels like a 6.5 second to 60 car, and handles well. Hard plastics on the doors are my only knock on the interior
@@cloudstrifex88 I can only speak from personal experience. I have two co-workers that have GLI's a 2017 and 2020 respectfully, and both have been riddled with problems. Also, I have owned and/or leased a 2003 Audi A4 1.8t and a 2014 2.0t and both had electrical problems, tail lights going out frequently, intake valve problems, burning excessive oil. coworkers 2017 Jetta GLI front axle assembly had to be replaced at approximately 60k miles. Perhaps overall they're okay, but my own experience and people I have known that had them within the past couple decades all complained they were money pits and will never get a VW product myself. Sad, because I like the way their products look and drive and would love to get a pre-owned S5, but I won't touch them just because of having to see and/or deal with the mechanical nightmares.
@@lions208436 2017 was before they got put on the MQB platform. I've not heard of any major GLI issues on the forums in recent memory. I personally have a 2018 Passat GT that has 40k miles on the old NMS platform with the VR6 DSG combo and it's had a few minor issues but all covered under the 6 year 72k warranty so it was no big deal. Wife had a 2015 Jetta 1.8t with 65k miles and didn't have a single issue other than replacing the standard brakes and tires. She traded it in for a 2021 Tiguan and has not had any issues either. I think the major issues can still happen but are pretty rare. But their reliability has massively improved since the early 2000s
Kinda dumb to have a different spec for Canada IMO. Maybe you could get to the bottom of that and get Honda to share there reasons why. Its a good looking car that looks fun to drive with a real manual and can make decent fuel economy when you need it. Too bad its slow and doesn't rev out but its a Honda and its affordable.
Do a video on Canadian version . Has much more content than US version . It will get people complaining to Honda and get Honda to add equipment to US model.
there's also something known as tax and import and pricing cars with respect to purchasing power, gti in Canada is some 5000 US dollars cheaper in direct conversion rate, same with Elantra, alot cheaper in Canada. But Civic si is only 300 USD cheaper because they added extra equipment on it instead of making it ridiculously cheap in Canada like other car makers, convert prices of gti and elantra in Canada yourself and you'll know what I'm saying
I am an Honda/Acura fan ALL day and I feel that you can take the car to grave and back, but what the heck is going on over at Acura??? If there was EVER a time that two divisions of a company needed to be separated and run completely independent of each other Honda/Acura is proof. For example, why does the Integra have Honda Interior? Why does it look like a Civic? Honda/Acura chose to use almost the exact same bodystyle/Interior as the Civic instead of putting the necessary money into the Integra and creating something different OR atleast not using the same damn interior. With the every Honda vehicle from the Si, Accord, Civic, CRV, you can clearly see that Honda has a vision for their cars and where they are trying to go. Acura...has the Integra,TLX,MDX, and RDX. Two cars and two SUVs. The Integra is the more expensive and somewhat luxury version of the Si and the TLX is the more expensive luxury version of the Accord.. I have answered my own questions......Acura is not trying to be innovative, they are trying to provide alternatives to their Honda counterparts. BOOM! 😄😄. The ONLY innovative car they have produced within the last 10 years is the NSX and 97% of Acura’s customer base can't afford it. Unless Acura makes some drastic changes, they are not going to make it....
The mark up on these are laughable right now. They are going for $37-40 grand and quite frankly even if they weren’t overall it’s just not an impressive car. I ended up going with a 23 Forte GT which just kills this car in features, bells and whistles and $10k cheaper. No heated seats is inexcusable. No rear vents or usb connector in the back as well. It’s small things like that which made my decision easy. Not to mention the GT hits 0-60 times about second faster. Anyone who absolutely loves Hondas though and doesn’t mind forking out the money, go with the Type R instead
If Honda and Acura isn't going to have imbedded maps/GPS in the Civic Si, Civic Type R, Integra A-Spec Technology Package, and the upcoming Integra Type S, the least they could is give Waze standard in place of a factory maps/GPS. Everybody knows Waze drains the hell out of your cell phone battery. Having Waze on the HondaLink Infotainment System and AcuraLink Infotainment System would be super beneficial.
No it's not lying, it actually makes 200 HP to the wheels according to most of Dyno videos I watched. There's only a confusion, 220 HP is at the crank not wheel horse power
@@Vladg111 oh. The dyno videos I watched all said they made at least 200+ to the wheels. Like to the wheels. Not the crank. You sure? With the regular dyno as well as a hub mounted one.
@@rohanm54 ohh, I saw one from Ososik Media and some other one. They applied correction and got 195 HP to the wheels. To be honest 0-60 time would be faster if it had 220 HP I think. I believe there's a confusion of wheel horsepower and at the crank
this car is a huge let down, overpriced and underpowered. Honda took all the fun out of all Civic models. they are 1-3+ seconds slower 0-60 than last gen and boring. the Accord Hybrid outperforms this car for the same price.
What the civic si needs is heated/ driver powered seats, more power like a 250hp engine would be a nice sweet spot and a more aggressive interior to make it stand out
I have 06 civic ex coupe and 08 CRV ex. I love them. After these cars I don’t think I will buy a Honda again. I not a fan of CVT. My next car is Mazda.
If it had all the things the Integra has, and whatever else he's complaining it doesn't have, it wouldn't be a 27,000 dollar car. They had to compromise something to offer everything it actually does have, such as all the safety features that higher line models have for the price they sell it for. And the true mileage the car gets is actually better than what they advertise. In town I'm getting 32 and on the highway I get 44 with the cruise set on 74. I don't know what's wrong with the car they gave him. I run 89 in mine with no knocks even in sport mode. I bought the car because I wanted a new Honda, at the top of my list of wants was a manual transmission , and it was what they had on the lot. These days, you buy what you find thats in your price range , because you're lucky to find anything at all, new or used.
Adaptive dampers, dual climate control, heated seats, fog lights, wireless phone charging…all things my 2020 Si coupe has that this car doesn’t. Should I just call it an Acura Integra?
WTF no heated seats? thats criminal for this day and age. By the way, the Canadian version Civic Si does have seated seats, as well as heated steering wheel and wireless charger. This is disrespectful for all you USA consumers. This interior is more basic than a Civic LX Sedan.
Big slow mini accord. I was daily 8th gen 09 civic si b4 i switched to my bike because insane fuel cost. And that is what an si is, snd my civic is intake exhaust eibach springs and handles great, revs to 8400rpm vtec screams . With run with wrx and sti cars all day. From a roll and is ok on fuel and looks good. Not yo mention weighs hundreds of lbs less and has same hp with alot less tq. Hard pass for me on this crap. If i wanted to buy new sport compact I'd go with a Hyundai product . Much more powerful cars for the $$ and all the same tech. Now id take my accord 2.0t exl over all them lol
@@mengdynasty6034 accord def is not bro its great car, and the type R is dope but thats about the gist of it tbh. Odyssey is supposed to be very good also and rdx and mdx are decent
@@delibrain916 I agree that all they have now is the CTR and 2.0t accord. The new Si has just been so underwhelming when compared to the competition . I was hoping they would throw the 2.0t in the Si.
Honda’s cars in the US are low on accessories and options because they compete with their own other brand; Acura. Nowadays the Acura brand sells cars almost exclusively in the US. There is no Acura in the European market and in South America. Their own legend there is sold under the Honda brand. So in order to sell the overpriced acuras, Honda is stripping down and downgrading their own models name brand inside the U.S. In other countries where Hondas cars are exported straight from Japan, those models come with more standard options because Acura doesn’t exist there. Americans are paying a price to have the 2 brands available ( Honda/Acura ).
Sofyan’s reviews are always my first stop by I don’t know why he’s comparing the civic si to a luxury brand, I’d like to see how it compares to other entry level compact sedans.
I’ve had both a 2017 GTI and an 2020 86. Gti is probably the most practical as far as balancing performance and practicality. That being said the 2022 gti interior looks very nice but the touch screen makes me very hesitant to recommend it. The 86 I owned was a blast to own and I actually miss it. The only downside was the stiffness of the suspension On my commute I drive over some pretty terrible roads and it got uncomfortable for me sometimes. As of recently I’ve been looking into the SI for a seemingly nice balance of performance, practicality, safety, and fuel economy.
KIA?Hyundia has passed Honda in terms of sports sedans and its not even close. If I was in the market for a compant sports sedan I wouldn't even look at Honda anymore. Its nothing more than a econobox with all the stuff theyve taken out of it.
Hey Honda, where the hell is the engine temperature gauge in the instrument cluster? Replaced by an IDIOT light. Inexcusable in a so called sports car at this price range. How cheap can you get?
I've been heavily involved in Honda/Acura world for nearly 20 years. Two major issues with this car. 1 - Honda continues to strip cars to help Acura sales. They took away V6 in the Accord to help TLX sales. They took away from Si what it already had (heated seats, adaptive dampers and fog lights) to boost Integra sales (which they only made 6MT on the most expensive trim to further push you away from Si). They intentionally dumb-down engines in Hondas to boost Acura (2016 Accord Sport had same engine as the TLX 2.4 and ILX 2.4 but Accord had 189hp vs 200+ in Acura). Then there's the Canadian models. Same thing happened with the 10th Gen Accord; Sport in US was based on LX while Canadian Sport was based on EX. This current Si in Canada gets fog lights, turn signals in mirrors, heated front AND rear seats, dual climate controls, parking sensors front AND back, digital gauges, etc.). And when converted into USD, it's cheaper in Canada (26K USD vs 27K USD in US). There's absolutely no excuse to remove heated seats, adaptive dampers and fog lights that the 10th Gen had - and jack up the price while taking away what was essentially thousands of dollars worth of equipment. I could go on but you get the idea.
Couldn't have said in a better way.
My lease on 2.0T Accord 6-Speed was up and only choice I got right now is a Civic Si as Honda took away manual from Accord but I jumped off the Honda boat. Not going to pay almost same for a Si what I paid 3 years ago for a loaded Accord.
@@henrybrar I also have 2.0T 6MT. I paid $28K in 2019 for it, brand new with 2 miles on the odometer. Now it's the same price for this stripped sad excuse of a car. Honda (or Acura) has NOTHING right now that even closely interests me. The new Type R might be something I like but I expect $80-100K price once dealers get a grab of them because we all know that Honda corporate gives zero f*cks about keeping dealers from ripping people off.
@@YasssStitch My only regret is that I went to Carmax before going to Honda to buy my lease back and Carmax gave a $4500 check for it, I couldn't say no to it. I ended up getting a Gladiator Sports 6-speed and couldn't be more happy.
I like a more minimalist approach in these vehicles. I like normally aspirated and manual shifts.
As long as it's reliable, I'd buy one.
@@heithwatkins This 1.5T couldn't be more far away from NA. If you want an NA MT that's new(ish), find a 2016-2017 Accord 3.5 V6 6MT. No VCM, no turbo, no auto start/stop, real hand brake, etc. And it comes in EX-L trim which is super nice.
I'd recommend the "Blazing Orange" version of this Civic Si because the color adds 15hp.
Too bad dealers are ruining it.
In my area, 5k mark ups and no bargaining . I ended up with a GTI with more power and features for 2k under MSRP.
Honda needs to get control of these greedy dealers
Where I’m from, 5K over MSRP is low. Some people are going 10-16K over MSRP. it’s ridiculous. Thankfully they’re getting more and more Si’s now so hopefully it’ll be less expensive soon
@Adam A. Quick flash tune will fix that.
@@RubbishFPS quick way to void your warranty. With that thought, tune a GTI and it’s a beast.
My dealership was charging around 40k
I ended up paying for the base sport model for 33k total
It's insane what prices are now
@@koraegi Why would you pay that much? You’re part of the reason they are doing that!
I love this car but I can’t bring myself to buy one without all the features that the Canadian version gets. There’s no excuse for the US market to get the short end of the stick while being more expensive than the Canadian version. It seems trivial but it just doesn’t feel good paying more money for less features. Add the heated seats, fog lights, etc. and I’d buy it.
Agreed. I've wanted an SI since I was a teenager, now I can finally easily afford one, and they wreck it. I could get the Integra, but the model you really want is pushing $40k if you put some cool bits on it. Honda managed to ruin TWO cars at once.
@@joelpeterson2074 I still think the US si is a great value. People are doom and gloom here, but the product is still really solid. take a test drive
Pretty sure the refresh will do it for the US MARKET
@@Jumperman12mac I really hope so, and I’m keeping my options open. Unless of course the Type R just blows me away, and maybe I’ll just jump to that. Or there is always the GR Corolla.
Same
I bought a 2013 Civic Si sedan based on your review of that car 9 years ago! It's been a long time Sofyan and I've been a loyal watcher since then! Yes the 2013 has some bad rev hang and wayyy too much body roll, but it grips like a dream. It's also got a 0-60 in the 6.5 second range. My lifetime average mpg is about 28 and the highway I get 32 easily, but if you really hypermile it you can get 37. These new turbo engines aren't worth the headache, which is a shame because I think the new chassis and shifter setup is much much better. I'd love to take my K24 and an analogue gauge cluster and swap it into the new Si. Best of Both Worlds.
Saw one in person, it looks great. It should be an all around good car.
Hate how these companies punish you for getting a sport model. They cut almost all niceities out of the car for what reason?
I love that Honda made the belt-line low with big windows which will provide excellent visibility.
The trend has always been to raise the belt-line and put smaller and smaller windows.
You can't even rest your elbow on the door with the window down on most cars nowadays.
The belt line is still very high compared to a 90s Honda Civic/Accord.
@@braetonwilson4296 Yes but for a modern car it's excellent. The Civic and the Camry are the only cars that lowered the belt line compared to their predecessors.
I used to think manufacturers kept raising the belt line for safety but then realized it's just cheaper for them to put smaller windows (less glass) and it also 'looks sleek'
@@ArgedisGreat point. Like you, I much prefer a lower beltline.
Alternative title: "Why you should buy an Integra"
This car looks stripped to hell. How on earth do the other lower trims get a wireless phone charger option, and the Si doesn’t? And way too much cheap hard touch plastic. Gross.
I don’t know man, as much as I want to love the Honda/ Acura brand it’s been so disappointing for me lately. Less HP and less features than the previous generation SI, but more expensive? Come on Honda. I don’t have much hope for the type R/S.
Are Civics for "people on a budget"? I would say they're just for normal people. Most people can't drop the money for an M3 or whatever. Half the appeal of this car is that it has a Honda engine, which means it's very reliable and not a gas-hog.
I think the Si would be much more desirable as a hatchback. I guess they want more differentiation between the Type R and Si
Affordable? I guess dealers don't know that lol markups here are 7k to 10k over sticker smh if you're spending nearly 40,000 for a Civic Si you've lost the plot completely
Too bad it looks like a family car instead of a hot hatch.
The break-in period is completely ignored in press cars. How are these sold after the reviewers abuse them?
led lights will be expensive to replace.....i dont care about exterior lights, i dont see them anyway when im driving LOL
Wow, it’s almost as fast as my Accord Hybrid
Sorry Redline but 0-60 in 6.5sec is a straight up lie, especially when others are getting like 7.4-7.5 on their best runs.
@Kimetsu87 - and then a Kona EV lines up beside the Si and smokes it…not right, Honda, not at all.
It's almost like Honda is allergic to customer's money. I got a 2015 TLX but I'm ditching Honda/Acura in the future for greener pastures.
The 10th gen si is slow…my civic that’s not a si but it’s a coupe n 1.5liter is just as fast as the si
Before Honda ditches the manual transmission, they should experiment with the Si & Type R and create a Hatchback Si & Sedan Type R 👀
7 seconds?????? Mazda 3 turbo is 5.6 seconds. Better interiors and styling. Honda and Acura are a joke lmfao
Integra is even worse - over 7 seconds. The return of the "sport legend" that a mom in a soccer minivan will smoke.
@@YasssStitch went to look at one and they wanted 44k ? Horrible interior and people buy this shit
The N/A 2.5 Mazda3 does 6.9 0-60 & with the JB4 tune for the 2.5turbo, it’ll hit 60 UNDER 5 seconds
@@Yoomaro believe it or not a Camry hybrid does it in 6.9 seconds too (I know sounds crazy but it’s true).
Shmuck they switched because it’s the only mass engine they Mke
Can't wait to see the dealerships add 15k to the MSRP cause why not.
Thought about the SI but chose the Forte GT2 because of all the features it had over the SI at a lower cost. SI is still a he'll of a car!
Makes me want to sell my 2008 SI…
Honda/Acura has lost me with their Marketing Decisions - so I'm going to keep my 2019 ILX A-Spec with the DC Auto and currently 23,000 miles. I'm beginning to think that Honda should cancel the Acura Brand and just go with Honda in the USA the way things are going. Putting a 1.5L engine with a CVT in any Acura is NOT "Precision Crafted Performance" - it pure Marketing
The rear door panels as well as the rear door inserts not matching the front one is completely unacceptable and my God how much more money would it have really added to the car to have the same material there!
If you’re waiting 2 months from July 6th for the Type R reveal, you’re gonna be really late to the party.
What a disappointment. I don’t get why Honda continues to get cheaper and cheaper. They keep cutting features and driving up prices. Pretty inexcusable.
Just got my sonic grey SI. It’s worth the extra 6 grand markup. It’s better than the 2010 Audi TT 2.0T, The 2014 passat CC VR6 4 motion or any other car I owned in the last 15 years. And yes I buy my cars new. The feel you get in this car is fantastic. Everything feels awesome. Steering, shifting and handling are a treat. Mpg is like no other in this segment. Truly love this car.
does is feel underpowered?
$6k markup 😬😬😬 Still bad but honestly on the lower end of Si markup I've seen around.
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@@jd2890 not for me, although I have not put the pedal to the metal yet. Breaking it in. It’s got enough pep for some fun.
If you paid a $6k Markup you could've gotten an elantra N. Way more sport oriented and much better car for the money
Little late to the party on this one. Went to buy this 22 si 3weeks ago, but apparently all 22’s are sold and spoken for. Put a deposit down but need to wait 4-6 months for the 23. I’m in Ontario 🇨🇦
How much deposit should you put for the 23?
@@japofe1696 I put 500
My 2016 Verloster Turbo has never given me any problems yet. 2010 hp 198 torque and light Modified on my channel
It looks way better than the 10th gen. When the 2023 type r is unveiled i hope you get the chance to review because its going to be highly anticipated by many people and probably answering some of the questions below.
1. Will the new type r come with the a spare tire?
2. Does the type r come with a DCT transmission option?
3. Can it driven on a long road trip comfortably because on bucket seats especially for tall people like me can get severe lower back pain due to bolstering?
4. Will honda incorporate a bigger fuel tank then the previous gen like 50 litre tank to prevent filling more often especially long distance driving?
5. Can you guys do a comparison between the 10th gen and the 11th gen? and give us your pros and cons but also the entire Redline Review crew to give the viewers a whole perspective plus it will be a unique video for the channel.
Great review and keep the awesome work.
It's not affordable if every dealer is marking it up $5k - $10k. Why not call that behavior out? You get our views and try to sell us these vehicles, please do more to call out the manufacturer and their dealers!
I love the design. Looks so much better than the Acura
Last month I drove this, a GTI, Jetta GLI,, Veloster N, and a WRX. Bought this.
The ride/fun/practically/price combination is what sold me. I like rhe Si's handling the best.
Thanks for your input. Looks like I am about to trade in my 2001 Audi TT Quattro 225 and get a Civic Si
@@radiogreenblue Just returned from a 2 week business trip in a rental car. Missing my Si just made me appreciate it more. For my tastes, a good exterior, great interior & seats (although I wish they were available in leather), quality physical controls for everything (an increasingly rare thing), and the best manual shifting experience next to anything under $90K outside of a Type R.
My 2nd choice was a Veloster N but more than I wanted to spend and I don't like the exterior styling or things like animated flames on the dash when switching into N+ mode. Last gen Civic's styling would make me not choose it, either. The current models though, I think strike an attractive sweet spot.
Next direct up from this would be an Integra A Spec. Not worth the $ just for the hatch IMO, but still an upgrade.
My 2018 SI is payed off but I don't like the 11th gen.... so.....
This car is absolute trash imo. They ate marked up like krazy , slow af almost same weight as accord.. i wouldnt come close to buying this over the competition.. only modern hondas i like is type r is dope (idk about new gen) accord 2.0t is amazing) and odyssey is great on the inside and tye v6 and 10spd. Everything else is absolutely trash. The pilot and ridgelibe are modified minivans the passport is a pumped up crv.. oh crv is nice but if it had 2.0t option id very well consider one
So slower then 2.4 SI
I love this car so much but I refuse to pay that ridiculous markup which is 10K on average. For that type of money I could get a older model Dodge Durango.
This is awesome and I love the MT, but I would love to see a DCT offered
They'll never do it. Acura should've put the DCT in the Integra since that's a luxury car and should have that vs CVT
Styling really sucks. 🤮. It looks like a boring mid 90’s sedan. 😞
Thank god the quality and reliability is incredible. ✅
They lost me at the 1.5L motor.
Serious question.. how much more driving fun can you possibly have with a Civic Si vs. a Kia Forte GT? Same power, KIA offers better technology.. please don’t start with the “it’s KIA” 😂
well the KIA doesn’t have an LSD, and the gearbox is inferior. So it’s tough to say without driving each one
Better technology??? This still has adaptive cruise control which is absent on the forte gt even on automatic models , this has a 9 inch screen with wireless apple carplay, and 7 inch digital gauge, while that has an 8 inch screen on Kia's older software with wired carplay, and 4 inch screen in between gauges. And this has a much better sound system and auto rev matching
@@SIIKAP1 it’s inferior unless you get the DCT
@@steviewanderer5109 well yeah. I meant manual vs. manual. Though that DCT they have isn’t amazing.
@@steviewanderer5109 even with dct that has much cheaper interior and less tech features, and no lsd which is important on a fwd sporty car and if its elantra n line anything to go by then its dct is not that great, its strong point is that is its costs less
I'll keep my 2020 si...has heated seats and all that and it's the American one not canadian
I wish Honda packed the same features that they have in the sport touring Model into the SI !! 😢
Cheap plastic covering the front end, small brakes, no adaptive dampers, no remote start, hard plastic interior, no power seats, no heads-up display, pathetic horn, no dual zone climate, heated, or cooled seats, tacked on center display, no navigation??, overall very cheap interior, poor acceleration, but a "phenomenal driving vehicle" for almost 30 grand? Bias.
It’s not a detuned engine. It’s only a 1.5. 🤦♂️ It’s clutch will also not handle more power.
It’s ugly , 10th Gen way more better looking
, and try 35 k that’s what there going for ! Why not tell the real prices in ur videos ?
One color, wth! Civic red always hot.
Gloss interior trim, when will they learn? It's just not necessary in a car that is so practical. Love how you always wish they added those extra cost "options" when vehicle costs are already ridiculous. Classic reviewer wish list creep.
how does it lose horsepower 😂😂😂 thru out the years the next generation is going to have 150hp $30k for this is civic not worth it RIp 2 The Honda Civic Si 2022
the sawn song cars are coming soon with the transition away from combustion motors and manual transmissions. Look at the gems that came from the end of the b/h/d series, we got the EM1, S2K, Euro R. Im gearing up for what madness they will unleash in the last chapter. This car is not it, and they know it.
Wish it was a hatch. Wish that spoiler was body colored. Wish it had a manual parking brake.
I'm OK with fewer amenities for budget performance.
I want one and hope they don't become too heavily marked up because I think that would kill an otherwise ideal budget performance car.
The Si is solid, but for the money I don't feel like it's much better than the Elantra N-Line or Forte GT, and those offer a 7 SPD DCT. If the Acura Integra does come out with. 2.0t with at least WRX power at 271 HP and an available 10 SPD from the Accord instead of the CVT, I'd consider it. As of now, if I'm shopping this class I'd probably just spend 26k for the Forte GT. I'd throw in the Jetta GLI for conversation, but their reliability is so poor I wouldn't consider the VW.
The forte comes very well equipped for that price, especially the GT2
@@steviewanderer5109 yes sir, I drove a 2020 GT around for about a week. Feels like a 6.5 second to 60 car, and handles well. Hard plastics on the doors are my only knock on the interior
GLI has been reliable for years. You thinking of the 90s?
@@cloudstrifex88 I can only speak from personal experience. I have two co-workers that have GLI's a 2017 and 2020 respectfully, and both have been riddled with problems. Also, I have owned and/or leased a 2003 Audi A4 1.8t and a 2014 2.0t and both had electrical problems, tail lights going out frequently, intake valve problems, burning excessive oil. coworkers 2017 Jetta GLI front axle assembly had to be replaced at approximately 60k miles. Perhaps overall they're okay, but my own experience and people I have known that had them within the past couple decades all complained they were money pits and will never get a VW product myself. Sad, because I like the way their products look and drive and would love to get a pre-owned S5, but I won't touch them just because of having to see and/or deal with the mechanical nightmares.
@@lions208436 2017 was before they got put on the MQB platform. I've not heard of any major GLI issues on the forums in recent memory. I personally have a 2018 Passat GT that has 40k miles on the old NMS platform with the VR6 DSG combo and it's had a few minor issues but all covered under the 6 year 72k warranty so it was no big deal. Wife had a 2015 Jetta 1.8t with 65k miles and didn't have a single issue other than replacing the standard brakes and tires. She traded it in for a 2021 Tiguan and has not had any issues either. I think the major issues can still happen but are pretty rare. But their reliability has massively improved since the early 2000s
Why would they come out with a new model and do absolutely nothing with the engine. Smart move. 200 hp for the past 20 years. Cool.
Kinda dumb to have a different spec for Canada IMO. Maybe you could get to the bottom of that and get Honda to share there reasons why. Its a good looking car that looks fun to drive with a real manual and can make decent fuel economy when you need it. Too bad its slow and doesn't rev out but its a Honda and its affordable.
Bruh?! 2013 si has a bigger displacement and you’re better off with the 2013 si
Excellent review. Hey Honda, Central New England winter: need heated seats....my 2017 Si has them, and they are a joy.
Well if you dyno the car it shows 224 hp and with a mild tune you’ll get another 70 hp so yes with a tune your looking at 294 hp
I thought the Type R's horn was bad...🤦♂
legit Dad car
I don’t want a 1.5 turbo :(
HAHAHA... How does a red seatbelt give you 5 more HP. 🤣
Red seat belts = 5 horsepower?
Easy to learn manual on this? 👀
I started looking at one year old ones but it looks like for about 1,700 more I can be in a brand new one!
Honda needs to due what that did for the RDX and offer a SI with touring package to address those issues.
0-60 in 7 secs? Lol. Is that even something to brag about in this day and age
Any chance Honda is planning to release a strong EV civic SI and that's why they have been sleeping for years?
Japan had a national mandate to develop hydrogen power. Now they are finally turning their power to EV
Do a video on Canadian version . Has much more content than US version . It will get people complaining to Honda and get Honda to add equipment to US model.
there's also something known as tax and import and pricing cars with respect to purchasing power, gti in Canada is some 5000 US dollars cheaper in direct conversion rate, same with Elantra, alot cheaper in Canada. But Civic si is only 300 USD cheaper because they added extra equipment on it instead of making it ridiculously cheap in Canada like other car makers, convert prices of gti and elantra in Canada yourself and you'll know what I'm saying
Did they get rid of the temp guage?
I can't stand the new engines. I liked my 9th gen Si better.
Imagine the horn sound be a deal-breaker to one :| 9:16
The perfect SI came with a K20 more than a decade ago.
too big, like accords size, expensive for a sedan, not practical like Corolla hybrid.. not selling well
it's definitely practical
I am an Honda/Acura fan ALL day and I feel that you can take the car to grave and back, but what the heck is going on over at Acura??? If there was EVER a time that two divisions of a company needed to be separated and run completely independent of each other Honda/Acura is proof.
For example, why does the Integra have Honda Interior? Why does it look like a Civic? Honda/Acura chose to use almost the exact same bodystyle/Interior as the Civic instead of putting the necessary money into the Integra and creating something different OR atleast not using the same damn interior.
With the every Honda vehicle from the Si, Accord, Civic, CRV, you can clearly see that Honda has a vision for their cars and where they are trying to go. Acura...has the Integra,TLX,MDX, and RDX. Two cars and two SUVs.
The Integra is the more expensive and somewhat luxury version of the Si and the TLX is the more expensive luxury version of the Accord.. I have answered my own questions......Acura is not trying to be innovative, they are trying to provide alternatives to their Honda counterparts. BOOM! 😄😄. The ONLY innovative car they have produced within the last 10 years is the NSX and 97% of Acura’s customer base can't afford it.
Unless Acura makes some drastic changes, they are not going to make it....
The 10th Gen Si was a blast to drive. How is this one almost a full second slower with the same motor and less weight?
I wish they put this engine in the fit. Or a tiny roadster.
The mark up on these are laughable right now. They are going for $37-40 grand and quite frankly even if they weren’t overall it’s just not an impressive car. I ended up going with a 23 Forte GT which just kills this car in features, bells and whistles and $10k cheaper. No heated seats is inexcusable. No rear vents or usb connector in the back as well. It’s small things like that which made my decision easy. Not to mention the GT hits 0-60 times about second faster. Anyone who absolutely loves Hondas though and doesn’t mind forking out the money, go with the Type R instead
If Honda and Acura isn't going to have imbedded maps/GPS in the Civic Si, Civic Type R, Integra A-Spec Technology Package, and the upcoming Integra Type S, the least they could is give Waze standard in place of a factory maps/GPS. Everybody knows Waze drains the hell out of your cell phone battery. Having Waze on the HondaLink Infotainment System and AcuraLink Infotainment System would be super beneficial.
Honda is lying for marketing and insurance purposes. It makes 220hp to the wheels. It has much more power. And still gets 35-40 mpg
No it's not lying, it actually makes 200 HP to the wheels according to most of Dyno videos I watched. There's only a confusion, 220 HP is at the crank not wheel horse power
@@Vladg111 oh. The dyno videos I watched all said they made at least 200+ to the wheels. Like to the wheels. Not the crank. You sure? With the regular dyno as well as a hub mounted one.
@@rohanm54 ohh, I saw one from Ososik Media and some other one. They applied correction and got 195 HP to the wheels. To be honest 0-60 time would be faster if it had 220 HP I think. I believe there's a confusion of wheel horsepower and at the crank
@@Vladg111 ahhh ok I see. I was watching them right as they came out.
this car is a huge let down, overpriced and underpowered. Honda took all the fun out of all Civic models. they are 1-3+ seconds slower 0-60 than last gen and boring. the Accord Hybrid outperforms this car for the same price.
What the civic si needs is heated/ driver powered seats, more power like a 250hp engine would be a nice sweet spot and a more aggressive interior to make it stand out
I have 06 civic ex coupe and 08 CRV ex. I love them. After these cars I don’t think I will buy a Honda again. I not a fan of CVT. My next car is Mazda.
Stupid move from Honda for not offering a hatchback. Always find sedans very unpractical , that's why I will never own one
If it had all the things the Integra has, and whatever else he's complaining it doesn't have, it wouldn't be a 27,000 dollar car. They had to compromise something to offer everything it actually does have, such as all the safety features that higher line models have for the price they sell it for. And the true mileage the car gets is actually better than what they advertise. In town I'm getting 32 and on the highway I get 44 with the cruise set on 74. I don't know what's wrong with the car they gave him. I run 89 in mine with no knocks even in sport mode. I bought the car because I wanted a new Honda, at the top of my list of wants was a manual transmission , and it was what they had on the lot. These days, you buy what you find thats in your price range , because you're lucky to find anything at all, new or used.
Adaptive dampers, dual climate control, heated seats, fog lights, wireless phone charging…all things my 2020 Si coupe has that this car doesn’t. Should I just call it an Acura Integra?
Love all your videos 💪🏼
WTF no heated seats? thats criminal for this day and age. By the way, the Canadian version Civic Si does have seated seats, as well as heated steering wheel and wireless charger. This is disrespectful for all you USA consumers. This interior is more basic than a Civic LX Sedan.
Big slow mini accord. I was daily 8th gen 09 civic si b4 i switched to my bike because insane fuel cost. And that is what an si is, snd my civic is intake exhaust eibach springs and handles great, revs to 8400rpm vtec screams . With run with wrx and sti cars all day. From a roll and is ok on fuel and looks good. Not yo mention weighs hundreds of lbs less and has same hp with alot less tq. Hard pass for me on this crap. If i wanted to buy new sport compact I'd go with a Hyundai product . Much more powerful cars for the $$ and all the same tech. Now id take my accord 2.0t exl over all them lol
Honda has been disappointing.
@@mengdynasty6034 accord def is not bro its great car, and the type R is dope but thats about the gist of it tbh. Odyssey is supposed to be very good also and rdx and mdx are decent
@@delibrain916 I agree that all they have now is the CTR and 2.0t accord. The new Si has just been so underwhelming when compared to the competition . I was hoping they would throw the 2.0t in the Si.
This is actually lighter than an 8th gen this weighs 2906 pounds
Honda’s cars in the US are low on accessories and options because they compete with their own other brand; Acura. Nowadays the Acura brand sells cars almost exclusively in the US. There is no Acura in the European market and in South America. Their own legend there is sold under the Honda brand. So in order to sell the overpriced acuras, Honda is stripping down and downgrading their own models name brand inside the U.S. In other countries where Hondas cars are exported straight from Japan, those models come with more standard options because Acura doesn’t exist there. Americans are paying a price to have the 2 brands available ( Honda/Acura ).
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Didn't you already review the 2022 Civic Si like 7 months ago?
Sofyan’s reviews are always my first stop by I don’t know why he’s comparing the civic si to a luxury brand, I’d like to see how it compares to other entry level compact sedans.
What’s the best daily a 2022 Civic SI, VW GTI, GR86 or a used Camaro SS?
I’ve had both a 2017 GTI and an 2020 86. Gti is probably the most practical as far as balancing performance and practicality. That being said the 2022 gti interior looks very nice but the touch screen makes me very hesitant to recommend it. The 86 I owned was a blast to own and I actually miss it. The only downside was the stiffness of the suspension On my commute I drive over some pretty terrible roads and it got uncomfortable for me sometimes. As of recently I’ve been looking into the SI for a seemingly nice balance of performance, practicality, safety, and fuel economy.
2022 elantra N
KIA?Hyundia has passed Honda in terms of sports sedans and its not even close. If I was in the market for a compant sports sedan I wouldn't even look at Honda anymore. Its nothing more than a econobox with all the stuff theyve taken out of it.
Hey Honda, where the hell is the engine temperature gauge in the instrument cluster? Replaced by an IDIOT light. Inexcusable in a so called sports car at this price range. How cheap can you get?
So glad w/ my choice to pick up a SGP SI.
Will be the beginning of another part of my enthusiast journey