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MatPat has officially lost his sanity. I can't believe he got in the car with Sonic. Let's just say, Progressive car insurance doesn't like Sonic's driving...
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Eh if he puts it in his way like that then "Yes"... But given how it *seriously* goes bewteen both are dubious at best as to who exactly is stronger or faster. Of course, Archie Sonic wins by a landslide, unless Miyamoto has more 'coup de grass' somewhere for the Plumber in the future, but you can possibly never get more OP then that.
if you didnt notice matpat was refering to old sports, and how mario could win those against the blue blur but not the current sports, seriously did you think dueling was still a sport? because i wish it was.
i feel like mario’s yoshi riding skills should count for something in the horse jump. mario is great at making his animals jump… and then jumping off of them but still
I am a Sonic The Comic fan and even I think Mario should of got the horse jumping. If Matpat is taking STC into account then Sonic should have won the swimming event because Sonic The Comic's Sonic learned how to swim.
@@zephon6745 yea but think about it how many games has Mario had swimming in though pretty sure they had swimming in mario party and in all the other adventure games
As a synchronized swimmer who has completed 5 solos over the years I am both offended by being called a wacky event and absolutely agree it is a wacky yet amazing event!
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"Sonic never played American Football so he'd lose" *Gives sonic the football* "hey, run to the other side of the stage without anyone tackling you and throw the ball down." Just sayin'
Exactly what I’m saying sonic as a running back is godly and Mario would just sacked or tackled if he tries to Q.B or W.R or R.B so again how does Mario win that competition?
@@Destoroyahpng well if there was a rule like that i feel like it would of already been broken or heavily bent right about now. i just have that feeling.
@@Destoroyahpng they can’t use special abilities cause Mario doesn’t have any. It was rigged from the start putting sonic at an automatic disadvantage…
@@Destoroyahpng How is running a special ability? Everyone can run. Sonic was just born faster than most. Logically, he's just that fast naturally. But they basically force him to slow down so "it's fair." He's not using speed force or anything like Flash. He just run lol. If he used the emeralds it'd be a different story.
Pretty much and if matpat wants to drag partygames into this what about secret rings' party games he was willing to bring up the game sonic uses a sword in so why not secret rings too?
I personally feel as they didn't take account of sonic being faster or physically better than Mario by a landside like in tennis how in the hell is Mario beating sonic in tennis Mario wouldn't be able to get the ball past him plus with football as long as sonic know to take the ball to the other side Mario is not stopping him or experience ( or more games) doesn't give someone the win
He’s not counting the experience Mario and sonic would have from the Olympic Games they participate in, only dedicated sports games for either character (like Mario strikers, that counts for soccer experience. But Mario playing soccer in the Olympic game doesn’t)
@@mfirdanhb Speccing points is where you hav ea set amount of point for a character in DnD or something and you can spend poit on speed to make your character faster or strength to make them stronger etc. He's saying Sonic spent all of his points into speed while Mario is well rounded.
Matt: Sonic didn't ride an air balloon because Tails was controlling it. So it doesn't count. Also Matt: Mario was controlling the bowling ball as it rolled so we'll go with a tie.
Kind of because Mario had actual bowling experience outside of just that. Whilst Sonic didn’t really have any experience in ballon riding compared to Mario.
Technically the bowling ball thing should’ve went to sonic because in certain games sonic himself is a bowling ball, take for example twinkle park in sonic adventure one
sonic wins equestrian because he "looks more confident" despite having no actual in-game experience riding horses. Mat was being pretty generous with these.
Honestly I think we all know Link would win the Olympics. He has archery, high diving, equestrianism, fencing and weight lifting nailed down. Even if he’s kinda cheating on that last one.
@@knrz2562 kirby should swallow others to steal their power ex; kirby swallows sonic for 100 mile dash, swallows link for anything aim-based, swallows mario for parkour-based or obstacle-based, etc.
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lmao I was confused too until he mentioned later in the sports segment that "they play soccer in the MvS at the OG franchise, but we're trying to avoid those" i.e. I think "sports series" was supposed to say "the Olympic Games series" -- don't give them points for doing sports in the franchise that you're trying to prove a theory about (circular evidence)
Mario should win the horse activities. He has a LOT of riding experience riding Yoshi. And if you're counting the Archie comics, Sonic is functionally god, so just skip the whole contest entirely.
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Considering what you said about bribes, I'm kinda surprised that wasn't a factor in Mario winning the architecture round. After all, while it's true they both have princesses on their sides if we include the comics, only Mario's princess lives in a castle for the duration of the franchise. Yeah, willing to bet Peach has larger coffers to throw at the judges for her hero than Sally does
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The speed difference is insane and in real life sports, speed is so important sonic dosent need technical ability to dominate in these sports, like tyreek hill has average hands and poor route running but still is a top football player
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Otherwise known as yes, MatPat actually was biased because he focused entirely on events that require no athletic ability. Otherwise known as he focused on events that aren't even real Olympic games.
How in the hell do you think that sonic wouldn’t wipe the floor with Mario at tennis? Did you see the table tennis sequence of the movie? Or take into account his outrageous speed?
Feel like riding Yoshie would help Mario get the skills needed to ride a horse. I could be wrong of course but he seems to have the hang of general mounts. Love the vid as always btw ^^
I love how the title is supposed to represent mario and the thumbnail is supposed to be sonic, and both are competing in the title and thumbnail. Nice detail 👌
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You’re wrong on the soccer part. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman and a bunch of Chao’s appeared as a secret team on Virtua Striker 3, so Sonic did play soccer
Although Mario doesn't ride many horses, I feel like his skills with riding Yoshi would transfer over to horse riding and potentially give him the win in that category.
@@eclipze8408 Yeah-But I feel its more like a Game Choice. Plus DO NOT Leave out Alot of yoshi Own Game cause he can control himself JUST Fine. so Yoshi Riding Transfering into Horse Riding makes little to no Sense
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Where as Sonic The Comic Sonic shot a flying Eggrobo while Sonic was falling from the Death Egg II. Where as AOSTH Sonic couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a gun while standing beside the barn.
Matpat is so stupid for calling mario a psychopath! And yet his theories about mario has corrupted the society on the internet just to accused a poor, innocent, red plumber.
are we going to forget that sonic runs at the speed of sound and getting closer to speed of light? i’m pretty sure his speed would give him more of an advantage for most things
@@Rocket.gutsss with like architecture, yeah ofc but for stuff like the fire fighting thing, sonic can either spin around and put it out, cuz of how can change wind speeds or run back and forth using his speed to put it out, and with the sports ones i guess it matters in what position, cuz if ur going to tell me that mario beats sonic in this as sonic has the ability to zip around the area i highly doubt it, i’m not saying mario is bad at these but when you having a living blur on the field what can u do
Gotta disagree on the bowling aspect. Since Mario can remote control he would be disqualified as well rather than counted as a draw. So a point for the losing Sonic here. He still loses but hes gotta lose fair and square
He didn't give Mario a point for controlling the bowling ball with a remote, he only simply mentioned that one of his games had that ability, but overall Mario has had many bowling experience using his own skill, but he couldn't give Mario a point considering he had that in his experience of bowling, Sonic was completely dependent on remote control when it came to using balloons for the most part. Either way Sonic would most likely lose to Mario in a bowling game.
At least, we can agree on one thing. SEGA are more daring when it comes to their titles. They always seem to be willing to do things that are risky. Think Sonic Boom and Sonic '06. I think that's why Sonic is more memorable. Sonic's games are more about trying a new idea while Mario seems to just do what they know will work. In the end, that's why I kinda like Sonic more than Mario. His games are more outlandish and thus more memorable.
That's like comparing the MCU to the DCEU. Sure, one's more cookie-cutter and predictable, yet it's still wildly more successful, because they're giving fans exactly what they want.
Don't know if this affects anything, but Sonic and the secret rings had a mini game section which might give Sonic some advantage. It was kind of Mario party like so It might not matter though.
Something I would like to point out for "Town Planning"; in the Sonic mobile game, Sonic Dash, the first area Seaside Hill Zone, there is an optional thing to unlock rewards, such as getting other characters. You build areas after defeating a certain amount of enemies and rescuing the animals that were trapped within them. Sonic is the first forced character, so you are forced to BUILD the area with him, and upgrade what you already have built. Other characters are playable by doing a few other things, but Sonic is still usable for that. Now, it doesn't show what character is building it, but he can make a house in the matter of seconds. I just wanted to point this out in case you end up making a THIRD video for some reason, and maybe the match-making could be a bit more even. He also does this throughout several different zones in the games with different areas.
proof that mattpat is a based mario fan: he claims sonic will always loose to mario i guess he never heard of a 1 vs 1 fight bcs mario would get obiliterated from sonic so mattpat is trying to deceive others
But Mario Run (the mobile game) has the player presumably mario rebuild the mushroom kingdom but I haven't played sonic dash so the town building element could be better there
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You say at the end that you didn't cherry pick events for Mario to win, but you kind of did exactly that. You looked back for weird past events because Sonic would win in most of the current events and you didn't want to give Sonic the easy win. Also, I disagree with your assessment that experience would result in Mario winning any sports like tennis or soccer. Sonic's pure athletic abilities would easily outshine Mario's experience.
@@grimm_bot That would be difficult but maybe instead of attempting to make an entire TH-cam, theory video out of a flawed premise he should make one out of an actually interesting theory with facts to support the theory.
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I wish we would get a theory related to Sonic lore instead of abilities. There's so much to dig through and those related to abilities got stale after so many times.
proof that mattpat is a based mario fan: he claims sonic will always loose to mario i guess he never heard of a 1 vs 1 fight bcs mario would get obiliterated from sonic so mattpat is trying to deceive others
I feel like in situations where they have about the same experience their physical abilities should be taken into consideration Just cause they've both done X doesn't mean their personal specs are evenly matched in regards to that X
Sonic should've totally won the fire fighting event. Mario has 1 game where he has a water pack and cleans beaches, Sonic spends every game averting environmental disaster
MatPat: Sonic would definitely win at the regular Olympic sports Also MatPat: nahhhh Mario would win because of these sports that aren’t in the Olympics anymore
These discontinued sports don’t make Mario better overall at the Olympics, it’s like my pet lizard vs Godzilla, sure Godzilla can destroy my lizard in almost every main category but if you put obscure stuff like crawl in their nose or ear and eat their brain out it’s just pretty stupid ngl
proof that mattpat is a based mario fan: he claims sonic will always loose to mario i guess he never heard of a 1 vs 1 fight bcs mario would get obiliterated from sonic so mattpat is trying to deceive others
i feel like its unfair to ignore all the current and normal olympic sports for this, especially when we know one character (sonic) has such an extreme advantage in many of them. and mario can only compete with performance enhancing mushrooms and illegal body suits.
........ but that was the whole point of this. matt was looking at rejected olympic sports because he knew sonic would be better than mario (literally admits that at the end of this episode). it would be weird to only focus on rejected olympic sports an then suddenly be like "but now let's look at the current olympic sports for more points!"
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The thing is, sonic has been stated to be faster than the speed of light some of the games. Which is supportable in the games. A ton of the sports that you gave to mario would definitely be won by sonic.
@@raionshishi8290 Soccer, American and Australian football. Sonic would body a whole team by himself. Its not even a question. If you can run faster than light, skill doesnt matter.
@@bigjuice2623 you are very right. There's a reason why the pro-women's soccer team lost to a highschool soccer team of boys. The physical differences do play a role
Claimed to skip over games that involve sports to level the playing field but brought them back for mario. Feels like at that point you should count in all the other racing events now too. You can't negate both in the first episode cause its unfair and then decide to allow one to slip by in the second episode.
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Love how the title and the thumbnail contradict each other so directly
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Lmao I was about to comment on that
Was about to say that lol
Lmao
@@subbwithnotisbefore L
"Mario can't win"
"Sonic will always lose to mario"
Amazing, matpat's such a loyal mario and sonic fan.
@Just Dope interesting
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@@evangelioncat2134 those are rookie numbers
@@Zebrage lmaoooooo story on sonic is hilarious
Me looking at the thumbnail and the title: “Truly Matpat has risen to a level of intellect and understanding I can no longer comprehend”
Was wondering if I was the only one that noticed, or if I was just crazy
You could comprehend it before? I just gave up a couple years ago and decided to just enjoy watching him go crazy with FNAF.
mario cant win and sonic will always lose
yep makes 100% sense
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My thoughts exactly, I thought I was the only one who had a stroke reading it lmao
"Mario isn't experienced in the saddle."
"Am I a joke to you?"
-Yoshi
Well normal horses cant flutter jump. So mario wont be use to a normal horse jump
It's a shell
@@theenderdefender8620 you know that yoshi can jump normally too right?
And baby Yoshi for the balloons
There was also a Mario sports game on the 3ds where Mario rides a horse
"Mario can't win?!"
"Sonic will always lose to Mario."
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MatPat: ''Mario Can't Win!''
Also MatPat: ''Sonic Will ALWAYS Lose To Mario!''
Great job MatPat. Great job.
I think it's the editors fault since the editor probably made the thumbnail (idk who actually makes them but i think it's the editor)
Lol
thats what i was thinking when i saw that
Just because Sonic can’t win doesn’t mean Mario can either
Hey, it was probably an accident.
MatPat has officially lost his sanity. I can't believe he got in the car with Sonic. Let's just say, Progressive car insurance doesn't like Sonic's driving...
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Well Sonic and All Star Racing is a thing- ohhh thats why he drives like he is in a race...
@@subbwithnotisbefore stfu
Nice reference to the Progressive Sonic commercial!
There's a reason why Mario is a "well-round"-type character and Sonic is a "speed"-type character in the character option list.
“laughs in hyper sonic”
Speaking of Sonic… Film/Game theory: How strong would Knuckles have to be to stop Sonic in his tracks like he does in the new trailer?
Film Theory, definitively Film Theory.
knuckles litterally knocks out super sonic in sonic3.
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Bruh knuckles has knocked the super form out of super sonic in the past, so yeah, that wasn't a suprise that he stopped him there
Matpat: “Sonic loses to Mario.”
Also Matpat: “Mario is genocidal.”
mario is a war criminal.
SONIC START RUNNING
Also also matpat: according to the pixel measurements Mario is faster than sonic.
@@dawnkryxel he's not wrong
So what? He can do _both._
Love how matpat basically just says at the end "in the actual olympic games sonic would win" after piling up so much evidence for mario
Eh if he puts it in his way like that then "Yes"... But given how it *seriously* goes bewteen both are dubious at best as to who exactly is stronger or faster. Of course, Archie Sonic wins by a landslide, unless Miyamoto has more 'coup de grass' somewhere for the Plumber in the future, but you can possibly never get more OP then that.
Lmfao basically spoiled the entire plot for the episode
if you didnt notice matpat was refering to old sports, and how mario could win those against the blue blur but not the current sports, seriously did you think dueling was still a sport? because i wish it was.
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Mario would win all the swimming competitions though.
MatPat: we don’t want to be a “click baity channel”
Also MatPat: can’t decide which title would get more views and just uses both
Matpat: "Mario Can't Win"
Also Matpat: "No, not exactly"
Gonna cry?
Gonna stop useing stupid tobey magruie line
Hit em hard dang
@@hypersonic6424 ...magruie?
@@zlch4021 tf?
i feel like mario’s yoshi riding skills should count for something in the horse jump. mario is great at making his animals jump… and then jumping off of them but still
yeah i was waiting for him to mention yoshi. yeah hes not a horse, but still.
I am a Sonic The Comic fan and even I think Mario should of got the horse jumping. If Matpat is taking STC into account then Sonic should have won the swimming event because Sonic The Comic's Sonic learned how to swim.
@@zephon6745 dude, should HAVE
@@zephon6745 yea but think about it how many games has Mario had swimming in though pretty sure they had swimming in mario party and in all the other adventure games
@@joelcudjoe3833 I am just think Sonic would win the swimming race because STC Sonic can swim as fast as he can run.
Matpat: “Sonic will ALWAYS lose to Mario!”
Also Matpat: “Mario CAN’T WIN?!?”
Which one is Matpat? A Sonic fan or a Mario fan?
Both, but also neither.
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i get what u said, but i didnt get what u said
As a synchronized swimmer who has completed 5 solos over the years I am both offended by being called a wacky event and absolutely agree it is a wacky yet amazing event!
Thumbnail: Mario can't win!
Title: Sonic can't win!
So who does? Miyamoto?
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@@subbwithnotisbefore sftu
The mother of bowser jr does win, yes.
@@subbwithnotisbefore No one cares
Actually it’s the friends we’ve made along the way…
"Sonic never played American Football so he'd lose"
*Gives sonic the football*
"hey, run to the other side of the stage without anyone tackling you and throw the ball down."
Just sayin'
Exactly what I’m saying sonic as a running back is godly and Mario would just sacked or tackled if he tries to Q.B or W.R or R.B so again how does Mario win that competition?
I think they aren’t allowed to use special ability’s
@@Destoroyahpng well if there was a rule like that i feel like it would of already been broken or heavily bent right about now. i just have that feeling.
@@Destoroyahpng they can’t use special abilities cause Mario doesn’t have any. It was rigged from the start putting sonic at an automatic disadvantage…
@@Destoroyahpng How is running a special ability? Everyone can run. Sonic was just born faster than most. Logically, he's just that fast naturally. But they basically force him to slow down so "it's fair." He's not using speed force or anything like Flash. He just run lol. If he used the emeralds it'd be a different story.
This entire video is essentially dictated by: who's franchise is bigger and has more spinnoffs?
Pretty much and if matpat wants to drag partygames into this what about secret rings' party games he was willing to bring up the game sonic uses a sword in so why not secret rings too?
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I personally feel as they didn't take account of sonic being faster or physically better than Mario by a landside like in tennis how in the hell is Mario beating sonic in tennis Mario wouldn't be able to get the ball past him plus with football as long as sonic know to take the ball to the other side Mario is not stopping him or experience ( or more games) doesn't give someone the win
Due to sonic frontiers, sonic can now fish
Matpat: "I'm trying to stay away from the sports games"
Speedround: WHOS READY FOR ANOTHER SPORT GAME?!?!?!?
He was talking about the specific Olympic sports games where Mario & Sonic have done everything.
He’s not counting the experience Mario and sonic would have from the Olympic Games they participate in, only dedicated sports games for either character (like Mario strikers, that counts for soccer experience. But Mario playing soccer in the Olympic game doesn’t)
Mario is balanced and sonic just respeced all his points into agility and speed
respeced ?
Yeah what?
@@mfirdanhb Speccing points is where you hav ea set amount of point for a character in DnD or something and you can spend poit on speed to make your character faster or strength to make them stronger etc. He's saying Sonic spent all of his points into speed while Mario is well rounded.
Respeced?
@@ahmed4363it means reset
Matt: Sonic didn't ride an air balloon because Tails was controlling it. So it doesn't count.
Also Matt: Mario was controlling the bowling ball as it rolled so we'll go with a tie.
Kind of because Mario had actual bowling experience outside of just that. Whilst Sonic didn’t really have any experience in ballon riding compared to Mario.
There were so many missions on Generations about balloons as well...
Technically the bowling ball thing should’ve went to sonic because in certain games sonic himself is a bowling ball, take for example twinkle park in sonic adventure one
@@mitchtheh4x0r i thought the same thing. sonic is literally a bowling ball. it would make sense for him to be a better bowling than mario
sonic wins equestrian because he "looks more confident" despite having no actual in-game experience riding horses. Mat was being pretty generous with these.
I can't imagine sonic losing to mario in tennis...
He's been seen so many times playing tennis by himself WHILE providing commentary 🤣
LOL
Wait a minute, if they both have even skill in tennis, wouldn’t sonics speed give him the advantage being able to hit all of Mario’s swings?
What if he hits too early or hard?
@@yokai59loi36 doubt it
To be fair, Mario has a lot more tennis experience under his belt than Sonic
@@malachitinley535 then again sonic did go super with a tennis racket and managed to hit a tennis ball with it. Though he never broke the racket
Sonic is slower than Mario.
Honestly I think we all know Link would win the Olympics. He has archery, high diving, equestrianism, fencing and weight lifting nailed down. Even if he’s kinda cheating on that last one.
True
Nope it's Kirby flexibility swimming swordsmanship etc.
He did outrun everyone a univers lives inside his belly
@@Mercys_D3mise false
@@knrz2562 truent
@@knrz2562 kirby should swallow others to steal their power
ex; kirby swallows sonic for 100 mile dash, swallows link for anything aim-based, swallows mario for parkour-based or obstacle-based, etc.
I like how matpat searches every corner in history just to see who would win in weird Olympic events
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"Mario can't win!?"
"Sonic will always lose to Mario!"
*visible confusion*
MatPat: "Sonic was always destined to lose"
Me: Well that's one thing me and Sonic have in common...
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"we're trying to avoid the mario sports series here"
Not even 2 minutes later gives 3 points to mario thanks to his sports games.
Uh....?
lmao
I was confused too until he mentioned later in the sports segment that "they play soccer in the MvS at the OG franchise, but we're trying to avoid those" i.e. I think "sports series" was supposed to say "the Olympic Games series" -- don't give them points for doing sports in the franchise that you're trying to prove a theory about (circular evidence)
and, in fire fighting, wouldn't bringing fludd be illegal?
He said he'd try 🤣
Mario should win the horse activities. He has a LOT of riding experience riding Yoshi.
And if you're counting the Archie comics, Sonic is functionally god, so just skip the whole contest entirely.
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Yep talk about cheapin out eh? Oh also he obviously forgot the minigames in secret rings. Gonna use party games use both of their party games.
mario is literally just sitting on yoshi thats it. i wouldnt exactly compare that to riding a horse.
he ride peach a lot of times too
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Matpat: *Talks about how Sonic probably wouldn't fish*
Sonic Frontiers would like to know your location...
Considering what you said about bribes, I'm kinda surprised that wasn't a factor in Mario winning the architecture round. After all, while it's true they both have princesses on their sides if we include the comics, only Mario's princess lives in a castle for the duration of the franchise. Yeah, willing to bet Peach has larger coffers to throw at the judges for her hero than Sally does
there was a princess in sonic 06
@@Blox117 We don't talk about Sonic 06.
@@Blox117 And the game's finale basically retconned it out of existence, so I chose to ignore it when discussing lore
@@EditDeath yeah that game was stupid lol
Does Blaze count? There’s also Tikal.
Sonic fact: One of the reasons Sonic can't swim is that the design team and other staff mistakenly thought hedgehogs couldn't swim.
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It's also funny that he can't breathe in water yet can survive space
@@marcxworld5708 duh. Space doesn't contain water, so how would he drown? 🤡
The speed difference is insane and in real life sports, speed is so important sonic dosent need technical ability to dominate in these sports, like tyreek hill has average hands and poor route running but still is a top football player
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Fr he completely ignored sonics speed for all the sports like football soccer and tennis
Mario is faster lol
Otherwise known as yes, MatPat actually was biased because he focused entirely on events that require no athletic ability. Otherwise known as he focused on events that aren't even real Olympic games.
the most impressive thing about Mario and Sonic is that they can fire a single-shot pistol more than once without reloading
Like gun mario 64?
@@hungergamer4710 I was more thinking Snow Shooting in the Winter Olympics..
How in the hell do you think that sonic wouldn’t wipe the floor with Mario at tennis? Did you see the table tennis sequence of the movie? Or take into account his outrageous speed?
Mario hits ball harder
@@knrz2562 if sonic can run at the speed of goddamn sound then he can get the momentum to Yeet the tennis ball out of this reality
Also in Steve’s smash trailer sonic forward smashes mario into Minecraft, proving he is more physically buff than any character ever
@@error_the_crow yeah, sonics f-smash go YEET
Yeah true but that was with using super speed to gain that fast momentum. In the olympics I think theyd disqualify you for using super speed
Feel like riding Yoshie would help Mario get the skills needed to ride a horse. I could be wrong of course but he seems to have the hang of general mounts. Love the vid as always btw ^^
Yoshi is bipedal and therefore does not count as a horse :)
The Archie comics don't count, so I'm handing it to Mario
Yoshi is a bipedal dinosaur. 😂
@@LegendStormcrow It is in Fleetway that Amy is riding a horse in America in the year 1870. However I would still give Mario the win.
Update: Sonic does fish in Sonic Frontiers, so he CAN do it. Whether he can win a competition tho...
Sonic was able to fish LITERAL ALLIGATORS, CHESTS OF GOLD, SHARKS etc so I think he could easily win
@@Idontknowwhattoputherern Bro has some cracked arm strength despite looking like he skips arm day
I love how the title is supposed to represent mario and the thumbnail is supposed to be sonic, and both are competing in the title and thumbnail. Nice detail 👌
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That’s was kinda the joke
Ah because it was made on purpose?
I do feel like Mario's Yoshi riding skills would carry over to an equestrian high-jump event. After all, Yoshi jumps really high.
Horses can't flutter jump though.
He wouldn't complete the event. As soon as the horse jumped over the pit he'd just jump off of it and let it die
@@ecokrazy "sorry, force of habit"
You’re wrong on the soccer part. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman and a bunch of Chao’s appeared as a secret team on Virtua Striker 3, so Sonic did play soccer
Us: Can Mario win?
MatPat: Yesn't
Mario can win the equestrian high jump, it just depends on if he can convince the judges to count Yoshi as a horse.
Well I suppose you can't argue with that logic
He can always borrow some cash from Luigi XD. How much could it possibly cost to look the other way...and they could use a brown Yoshi too lol
Sans.
That's cheating.
Sonic has jumped way higher than Mario could ever dream to. With or without Yoshi.
It's not even sonic fault though, it's just a matter of how many games can you add to a franchise
For real tho😒
Although Mario doesn't ride many horses, I feel like his skills with riding Yoshi would transfer over to horse riding and potentially give him the win in that category.
True, but it would probably be more akin to riding a kangaroo, since it's bipedal
Yoshi can not only control himself to the point of making Mario do no work in riding him
@@TSH425 yoshi doesn’t control himself mario controls him. when yoshi controls himself he runs straight until he falls off a cliff
@@eclipze8408 Yeah-But I feel its more like a Game Choice. Plus DO NOT Leave out Alot of yoshi Own Game cause he can control himself JUST Fine. so Yoshi Riding Transfering into Horse Riding makes little to no Sense
mario doesnt control yoshi tho, yoshi is walking himself, mario is just a passanger
Oooooo...WAIT...SONIC IS FISHING IN SONIC FRONTIERS!(even if the game come out after the video)
He says “I don’t want to count the sports games”, and then uses them as evidence.
I think he was talking about the olimpic games series as "evidence" insted of the normal sports games
But will Luigi always lose to Tails?
There _is_ a right answer here that might lead to rioting if you get it wrong.
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Does Luigi put in any effort? If so, then yes.
Luigi is number 1...
Hey, it's the tails account from the EmKay video I watched once!
Luigi is gay
Finally part 2, just as I was wondering if it was ever going to come, but I knew MatPat would come through, thank you Team Theorists
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All we need now is doctor who part 3
Yeee
@@carlosbustos2056 that exists, it was uploaded 4 years ago.
What we need is Petscop
Bro forgot about Mario riding Yoshi in almost EVERY SINGLE GAME
Yes! Let’s go! Part 2 is finally here from the last part, which was exactly 6 months ago, being last year!
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Funny thing, Sonic is shown in "The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" to be unbelievably bad with aiming guns. Like, comically horrible.
Where as Sonic The Comic Sonic shot a flying Eggrobo while Sonic was falling from the Death Egg II. Where as AOSTH Sonic couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a gun while standing beside the barn.
Matpat: I’m always dunkin’ on sonic
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Well at least sonic is a decent person
Matpat is so stupid for calling mario a psychopath! And yet his theories about mario has corrupted the society on the internet just to accused a poor, innocent, red plumber.
@@SlyfyGummy ???
@@shrek-itgamer6214 God it’s just a joke. It isn’t like Mario is real
Everyone is talking about the title and thumbnail while me over here plucking my eyes out because of that cursed cut
are we going to forget that sonic runs at the speed of sound and getting closer to speed of light?
i’m pretty sure his speed would give him more of an advantage for most things
Very true
Experience > Speed
@@Rocket.gutsss with like architecture, yeah ofc but for stuff like the fire fighting thing, sonic can either spin around and put it out, cuz of how can change wind speeds or run back and forth using his speed to put it out, and with the sports ones i guess it matters in what position, cuz if ur going to tell me that mario beats sonic in this as sonic has the ability to zip around the area i highly doubt it, i’m not saying mario is bad at these but when you having a living blur on the field what can u do
@@sntzdtoxins you clearly were not paying attention to the Video at all especially the Fire Part
@@Rocket.gutsss sonic can literally stand in two places if he wants so whatever ur trying to say for the fire part i don’t think so too much
Anyone gonna talk about how Sonic would totally speed blitz Mario in all of the ones after fire fighting, no matter how much experience Mario has?
@Scruffy Ducky that’s why they call him S O N I C 3 D B L A S T
Ironically, Mario is faster, lol
@@sptflcrw8583 Mario faster than Sonic? At those games..right?
@@El_Nit I don't even think Mario is as fast as Sonic in games.
@@El_Nit just in terms of feats
Gotta disagree on the bowling aspect. Since Mario can remote control he would be disqualified as well rather than counted as a draw. So a point for the losing Sonic here. He still loses but hes gotta lose fair and square
Agreed. He disqualified sonic for remote control of the air balloons. Consistency 👌🏼
He didn't give Mario a point for controlling the bowling ball with a remote, he only simply mentioned that one of his games had that ability, but overall Mario has had many bowling experience using his own skill, but he couldn't give Mario a point considering he had that in his experience of bowling, Sonic was completely dependent on remote control when it came to using balloons for the most part. Either way Sonic would most likely lose to Mario in a bowling game.
If you were Paying attention he said that only One Bowling game had that all the others were on Skill
Only one Mario game that had bowling and no remote control in it was Mario party 9
I DON'T LOSE
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Sonic frontiers: I'm gonna change that
At least, we can agree on one thing.
SEGA are more daring when it comes to their titles. They always seem to be willing to do things that are risky. Think Sonic Boom and Sonic '06. I think that's why Sonic is more memorable. Sonic's games are more about trying a new idea while Mario seems to just do what they know will work.
In the end, that's why I kinda like Sonic more than Mario. His games are more outlandish and thus more memorable.
I mean, was Super Mario Odyssey not a risky venture for them?
@@williord3050 compared to sonic with a sword, no
So, all those rpgs that experimented with Mario with big stories, one that literally dealt with the death of whole worlds, don't exist.
@@buttermcnuggette When Sonic shooter game
Oh wait. They did that too
That's like comparing the MCU to the DCEU. Sure, one's more cookie-cutter and predictable, yet it's still wildly more successful, because they're giving fans exactly what they want.
Don't know if this affects anything, but Sonic and the secret rings had a mini game section which might give Sonic some advantage. It was kind of Mario party like so It might not matter though.
He was using mario party throughout though
@@hungergamer4710 oh right! So still valid.
Something I would like to point out for "Town Planning"; in the Sonic mobile game, Sonic Dash, the first area Seaside Hill Zone, there is an optional thing to unlock rewards, such as getting other characters. You build areas after defeating a certain amount of enemies and rescuing the animals that were trapped within them. Sonic is the first forced character, so you are forced to BUILD the area with him, and upgrade what you already have built. Other characters are playable by doing a few other things, but Sonic is still usable for that. Now, it doesn't show what character is building it, but he can make a house in the matter of seconds. I just wanted to point this out in case you end up making a THIRD video for some reason, and maybe the match-making could be a bit more even. He also does this throughout several different zones in the games with different areas.
Finally
Someone who is speaking the truth
I agree, Also in the Mario maker 2 story mode Mario doesn't make the castle he just finds coins to pay the workers to build parts of the castle.
@@serenitystemper7391 oh my god your right.
proof that mattpat is a based mario fan: he claims sonic will always loose to mario i guess he never heard of a 1 vs 1 fight bcs mario would get obiliterated from sonic so mattpat is trying to deceive others
But Mario Run (the mobile game) has the player presumably mario rebuild the mushroom kingdom but I haven't played sonic dash so the town building element could be better there
0:37 one must imagine matpat happy
Title: "Sonic will always lose."
Thumbnail: *Sonic kicking Mario*
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the fact that sonic is just too OP that matpat had to dig through all the old olympic events to find things that could cater to mario's advantages 😭
And matpat went based on lore appearances, nevrnind that being faster means that Mario literally can't beat sonic at tennis or soccer.
Don't worry, Mario wins all the real sports too.
@@sptflcrw8583 ignores the fact that sonic is the speed of sound and easily beats mario in 90% of the current sports
@@cay7809 mario is way faster than that. He's also stronger.
@@sptflcrw8583 evidence
You say at the end that you didn't cherry pick events for Mario to win, but you kind of did exactly that. You looked back for weird past events because Sonic would win in most of the current events and you didn't want to give Sonic the easy win. Also, I disagree with your assessment that experience would result in Mario winning any sports like tennis or soccer. Sonic's pure athletic abilities would easily outshine Mario's experience.
Hmmmmmmmmm.....nah
@Arnav Pandey Actually he canonically runs faster then the speed of light which was said by omega in colors ds.
To be fair, it would be a little hard for him to write a 10-20 minute video that can be boiled down to "sonic wins ex clap gg".
@@grimm_bot That would be difficult but maybe instead of attempting to make an entire TH-cam, theory video out of a flawed premise he should make one out of an actually interesting theory with facts to support the theory.
@@HaloWingProductions And I want Matpat to make a complete explanation of the FNAF timeline, but neither of us will get what we want.
I like how MatPat straight up admits to using old sports that would only cater to Mario because he's biased
Fun fact: Mario is actually a carpenter, making him an even better fit for the Architecture competition
Since when is he a carpenter...
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Donkey Kong
@@Egerit100 problem he’s not doing carpenter stuff
@@ledetbrothers9210 wrecking crew
Bob the builder solos mario
"Sonic will always lose to Mario!"
"Mario can't win."
*These are confusing times.*
And that’s why Somari will always WIN
“Sonic will always lose to Mario.”
Thatʼs when Sonic realized that he was fast, but at what cost?
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There is no way Sonic would lose to Mario. There has to be more scrapped Olympic events.
To be fair, Eggman tried to cheat in the soccer episode hence the dancing. It was something the robots wouldn't expect.
Well, if Star-Lord can save the galaxy with a dance-off, why not?
It wouldn't be the weirdest thing to happen in a Sonic story.
I wish we would get a theory related to Sonic lore instead of abilities. There's so much to dig through and those related to abilities got stale after so many times.
yes i love lore theories
MatPat: "Mario can't win"
Also Mario: A literal murderous sociopath
Do you know what a sociopath is? Because mario isnt one.
@@waldoderby4302 It's a reference to MatPat's old vids on how he thinks Mario is a sociopath
@@waldoderby4302 yikes
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11:23 Knuckles, Knuckles I know you aren’t ok with this. Blink twice if you need help.
Title: Sonic will always lose!
Thumbnail: Mario can´t win!
*perfectly balanced, as all things should be*
I feel like in situations where they have about the same experience their physical abilities should be taken into consideration
Just cause they've both done X doesn't mean their personal specs are evenly matched in regards to that X
Never imagined to see an not very well known/ almost forgotten Dutch sport in a GT video. Well done!
I think MatPat forgot about Yoshi. Mario probably has way more experience riding than Sonic
but yoshi and horses are different
Speaking of Sonic... Film/Game theory: How strong would Knuckles have to be to stop Sonic in his tracks like he does in the new trailer?
I feel like sonic should have won most of these because he’s fast litterally all of the sports games he wins just because of physical advantage
But Mario is strong. Sonic would win the travel speed sports specifically but everything related to physicals goes to Mario
@@shyguyrocks1 speed can add so much power he could easily beat him in strength
Exactly
@@shyguyrocks1 sonic one shots mario
If there's one person he can't beat in anything, though, it's Wario.
MatPat definitely has something against Sonic.
Most do. Lmao.
@@sharkhenry8010 why?
How
The Community: Who do you support more Sonic or Mario?
MatPat: Sonimar.
The Community: That's not a opti-
MatPat:I SAID SONIMAR.
Alright, Mr. "Sonic is slower than Mario", let's get you to bed.
lmfao
Wait! Sonic gets a DQ for having a second player remote control a balloon but Mario gets a pass on an RC bowling ball?! No, MatPat.
“Sonic will ALWAYS lose to Mario”
“Mario can’t win!?”
MatPat is on both sides so that he never has to lose
MatPat: “Mario can’t win”
Also MatPat: “ Well yes but actually no”
Sonic should've totally won the fire fighting event.
Mario has 1 game where he has a water pack and cleans beaches, Sonic spends every game averting environmental disaster
Fact
MatPat: Sonic would definitely win at the regular Olympic sports
Also MatPat: nahhhh Mario would win because of these sports that aren’t in the Olympics anymore
That's literally exactly what I was thinking
These discontinued sports don’t make Mario better overall at the Olympics, it’s like my pet lizard vs Godzilla, sure Godzilla can destroy my lizard in almost every main category but if you put obscure stuff like crawl in their nose or ear and eat their brain out it’s just pretty stupid ngl
proof that mattpat is a based mario fan: he claims sonic will always loose to mario i guess he never heard of a 1 vs 1 fight bcs mario would get obiliterated from sonic so mattpat is trying to deceive others
12:39"mario is just a more well rounded character" literally.
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Mario playing football with Charging Chucks? that would have been funny.
It is at this point that I realize that I've outgrown Game Theory. Thank you for everything, MatPat.
Exactly. This is the only comment I have replied to.
Same
Of course sonic is a lot more likely to lose when you ignore his speed in many challenges where it will help.
i feel like its unfair to ignore all the current and normal olympic sports for this, especially when we know one character (sonic) has such an extreme advantage in many of them. and mario can only compete with performance enhancing mushrooms and illegal body suits.
??? That's the point?
........ but that was the whole point of this. matt was looking at rejected olympic sports because he knew sonic would be better than mario (literally admits that at the end of this episode). it would be weird to only focus on rejected olympic sports an then suddenly be like "but now let's look at the current olympic sports for more points!"
Me looking at the thumbnail: UGH FINALLY SONIC IS BETTER THEN MARIO
Me clicking the video: *gets a simply piano ad* “okay”
Me finally seeing the title: …
AUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The thing is, sonic has been stated to be faster than the speed of light some of the games. Which is supportable in the games.
A ton of the sports that you gave to mario would definitely be won by sonic.
What were those sports specifically ? And did they involve running directly as the point ?
Except that we’re assuming they aren’t using more than peak-human, so your opinion is invalid.
@@raionshishi8290 Soccer, American and Australian football. Sonic would body a whole team by himself. Its not even a question. If you can run faster than light, skill doesnt matter.
@@bigjuice2623 you are very right. There's a reason why the pro-women's soccer team lost to a highschool soccer team of boys. The physical differences do play a role
@@bigjuice2623 I agree with you
Claimed to skip over games that involve sports to level the playing field but brought them back for mario. Feels like at that point you should count in all the other racing events now too. You can't negate both in the first episode cause its unfair and then decide to allow one to slip by in the second episode.
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12:01 For anyone wondering, Glima is an old wrestling type of sport from the Viking age. Just, you know, actually real. It was also useful to know for warfare, as it's quite useful to be able to toss your enemy on the ground in a pinch.