After watching this, I'm still as confused as ever as to why Boss Baby was nominated for best animated movie while A Silent Voice came out the same year and got zero recognition...
Oscars are trash and that's why the trash that is Boss Baby was there. There is no love for actual art there, just what people can say they saw a poster for.
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 It's definitely not a period metaphor, if there's any metaphor it's that kids should be able to be themselves without their parents crushing their dreams. It's literally just a story of a girl hiding her panda powers from her family. The period thing is just a joke because the mum thinks she's started her period when in actuality she's transformed into a red panda.
My wife and I say the same things about rotten tomatoes scores. If it has a good critic score but an awful audience score then it’s probably technically well made but boring or a slog to get through. If it has a bad critic score and a good audience score it’s probably a bit less technically well made but is definitely crazy fun (fun bc it’s so bad or fun bc it’s over the top) We’d rather see an audience score movie than a critic movie bc at least we know it’ll be fun.
A bad audience score but a good critic score could also mean where the movie might be a sequel/adaptation where alone it might be okay but misfits whatever it's connected to in one way or another.
I like someone as huge as Matpat mentioning Pointless hub, Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckman, Moist critical or Cosmonaut. It’s nice knowing dope creators fw other dope creators
Other than the 3 mentioned in the video, I like Cosmonaut Variety Hour too. I’d add Mr Sunday Movies and Red Letter Media. My only problem is coverage, Cosmonaut and Mr Sunday tend to focus primarily on fantasy/gaming/comic media, though they will cover other stuff on occasion.
I quote Shigeru Miyamoto himself: “While many foreign critics have given the movie relatively low ratings, I think that also contributed to the movie’s notoriety and buzz.”
To be fair, I was dead set on watching the movie well before critics started panning it. I was sold on the the trailers, and the fact that I trusted the quality, due to Shigeru Miyamoto being involved and the Studio having a good rep. So after having anticipated it for months, I took my nephews and me and them had a blast. Sure, the pacing was bad, the movie was rather short, and the plot felt thin, but the visuals, the action, the Easter eggs and the overall feel and passion got through. If they keep making more movies, while I hope they improve on some of the shortcomings, as long as the quality is on the same bar as this movie, I think I'll very much look forward tot hem as well.
The critic score is looking at movies as art, while the audience score looks at movies as entertainment. It's like the difference between a restaurant critic's opinion of a Michelin Star dining experience vs ReviewBrah telling us whether a new fast food is worth trying or skipping. Both are useful, but they're serving different purposes.
It's more that being a film critic makes watching movies very very annoying. Most people see like a movie a month or something, critics see like three a day or at least five a week. When you see that many movies, you want them to be good, if not great, so they don't all blur together.
@@aff77141 I mean critics weren't a fan of Soldier or Equilibrium, both movies where the main character didn't emote at all for 60 minutes of the movie. However, one guy was on drugs that kept him from experiencing emotion, and the other was trained and indoctrinated to obey soldiers and feel nothing. Granted, both films were very very flashy and in a way trying to hard to seem like they had something to say. I personally love them both, because they're so different from other films.
I don't agree with this analogy. Art _is_ entertainment. If a piece of art is only enjoyed by those who study it, but not those who want to enjoy it, then it's not a good piece of art! The problem with critics is 1. that the big critics and their platforms are prone to corporate influence and 2. that many critics are looking at it from too much of a technical, theoretical and analytical viewpoint and fail to recognize how the broad audience consumes and interacts with the art. EDIT: Plus, what Tevo77777 said, I agree here too. If I watched at least one movie per day, like professional critics do, I'd probably be bored with any movie that isn't absolutely outstanding and groundbreaking, especially since I'd have to watch a lot of movies I don't care about to begin with in order to meet that quota. Meanwhile, if you go to the cinema once in a blue moin, you won't really mind that a movie is rather mediocre from a technical standpoint, as long as the topic/franchise of the movie is intriguing to you. This may explain why some movies are hugely popular with the audience but blasted by critics: they captured the fantasy of a casual audience who can look past a technically mid execution of a good concept. Likewise, a movie that scores well from critics, but disappoints the audience might be executed well in terms of technicalities like cinematography, special effects, acting, screenwriting, but the concept of the movie simply doesn't resonate with the audience.
@@LRM12o8 I disagree that art is entertainment. It is a very reductive statement. While there is nothing wrong with movies purely focused on entertaining the audience. Most good art is about pushing a certain boundary or at least challenging its consumer. Most good art demands a certain level of thought from its consumer. Instead of pointing and laughing at the funny guy falling, you are meant to interact with art and engage with its ideas. While I think all people should engage with something artistic throughout their lifetime. I also think that it is okay for the art to not be for everyone. So an artistic movie doesn't have to be a blockbuster hit. And, vice versa, entertaining movies don't have to be artistic.
For me, it’s simple. I ignore ALL critics, ALL TH-camrs, all anybody until AFTER I see it for myself (if I’m even interested in it in the first place), and can form my own opinion. Only then, is it fun for me to check out the reviews retroactively to determine who does or doesn’t agree with MY opinion. Not the other way around.
But since time and money is limited I like to get a critic's opinion first sometimes. If I see Stuckman giving a movie an A, I consider seeing it in cinemas. If its a B, I might see it at home. I haven't gone wrong with this, yet. But in general, your approach is great too of course but I don't want to miss obscure gems.
@@pupsi3523 - That’s fair enough. I like Stuckman. He’s one of the first guys I check out AFTER seeing a film and very often we agree. Other times, we don’t. But I always find his perspectives interesting and enjoyable, even when we don’t agree.
@@pupsi3523 i mean, either you pirate it and its free anyways, or you have a subscription to some movie watching website and it doesnt really take up any extra money youd be spending anyways, or you go to the cinema, and going to the cinema is always overall a nice and cozy experience regardless of the quality of the movie itself. At least thats how it is for me
Whilst it was kinda covered in the video, it's important to note that when a critic reviews a movie, they watched as part of their job, not just casually, and aren't necessarily fans of the source material if it's from a previously established franchise. Also, the audience score isn't comprised of everyone, but specifically people who: 1) Decided to watch the movie, meaning they are likely part of the movie's demographic, including fans of the potential source material. 2) Are people who watched it, and then bothered making a review of it on Rotten Tomatoes.
I think especially the 2nd point is extremely relevant. Like reviews for everything, you typically only review things you have strong feelings about. You hate it or you love it. Critics review the movie either way though
It has nothing to do with that, it's all rigged. The critics give the film the rating they are told to give it, they are just pawns with no control over what they say or give the movie. If the movie or game tows the political line it gets raving reviews even if it's garbage. If it isn't towing the line it gets bombed
I agree, but I would also add that there's not room for nuisance in these aggregate scores. Critics like Siskel and Ebert didn't just give a thumbs up or down and leave it at that. They were usually able to express their perspective in an entertaining way and have a discussion between the two of them. Attention in internet discourse often encourages people to give broad reactionary takes and doesn't necessarily encourage a lot of reflection or middle of the road takes. Everything has to be the best or worst movie in recent memory. Most critics probably didn't despise the Mario movie, but they just didn't love it and would prefer you spend your money on a film with less publicity they watched that they feel is more deserving of your attention. Universal and Nintendo aren't exactly hurting for your money at this point, regardless of the film's quality.
When it comes to reviewers, my two favorites are Saberspark and Schaffrillas Productions. They mostly review animated movies/shows, but I respect their opinions since they not only break down what they review into different aspects like animation, story, acting, etc., but also look at it from both their own personal tastes as well as from a general audience's point of view.
The whole video, the thing that stuck out most to me was how Mario's critic score was VERY SUSPICIOUSLY just 1% below "Fresh" and I'm glad you eventually called that out. You might say it's conspiracy-ish, but I think faked conflict is a huge marketing driver for the studios, and manipulating score outcomes is so easy to do. You don't even have to lie, just engage in the right amount of selection bias and everything falls their way. Whether that way is rotten or fresh doesn't matter, so long as the discrepencey is created.
Not a critic, but I sympathize with them. When viewing any art I am constantly thinking, "What are they trying to say?" The problem is, some movies aren't trying to say anything more than "Hey! Look at me!"
Kinda disagree. All movies sends some message. The problem is, that the critics may not like the message - not modern/innovative/representative/etc. enough and then they just trash it, meanwhile general audience don't care about this snobbish bs, preferencing the plot, logic and the delivery of the message, regardless of its complexity
We love cinema therapy. It’s both a film production analysis as well as character analysis from the POV of a psychologist analysing the characters’ mental states etc
I'm also a big fan of that channel! They teach me a lot about therapy stuff. They have made me appreciate movies that I originally thought were not so good
One of the worst things i ever did was learn about plot structure and character development. I have such a hard time watching stuff now because i am looking for those elements. I imagine the critics are the same way.
It’s fun to study things but if you get mentally stuck in a paradigm of “how a story should be told” then you will struggle to enjoy certain films that simply do it differently. Not worse, or better, just differently. What you should be asking is, “why does this still work even though it doesn’t go about it in a traditional way?”
My little sister’s friend said one of my favourite characters in my comfort movie doesn’t have a personality and I was so offended that I haven’t watched it again since for fear of seeing that she has a point
My wife tells me that same thing LoL. She affectionately tells me I "ruined movies" for her because I showed her how to critique movies. But another thing we like to watch together are food shows. and just because we learned the proper technique to cut an onion does not mean when a restaurant or a friend does not use that technique that we say their food tastes "bad". First and foremost, did we have FUN while watching the movie? if we did, we don't say a movie is bad. It may not be great, or maybe not even good, but our standard is "Did we have fun?" If so... movie is "below average" at worse for us.
Reminds me of old footage I saw on TH-cam of people lining up outside theaters in the 80s being interviewed. Interviewer: So, what are your expectations? Fan: It's gonna be great! Interviewer: Really? But the critics are panning it. Fan: Pfft, what do they know? The movie in question? This little flick you might've heard of called "The Empire Strikes Back".
The thing about Turning Red was that the demographic was more targeted than most Pixar movies. My daughter is 9, this movie was her jam. She sometimes goes nuts, randomly yelling parts of it out. None of the boys she knows watched the movie. I know so many little girls who loved this coming of age story tailored to them.
After hearing the "your older now talk" this sounds more for kids of the pre-teen demographic, not 9 year olds..... And as far as for boys? This movie is mostly female centered so it makes sense they wouldn't watch it and your daughter did.
As a cringey boy who is just now freshly an adult and watched this movie when I was like 16, or something, I can say I enjoyed it a lot for the weird vibes of how friends just act around each other and can confirm, I'm definitely my friend group's Abby
Your analysis is spot on. I'm an amateur critic. I've been co-hosting a movie review podcast for over a decade and your description of what critics like and dislike fits me and my co-host perfectly. And it's exactly because we have to find things to say about a different movie every week. When you consume a particular kind of media that frequently and attentively, you naturally seek novelty. Both so you can find something interesting to say about it and to avoid boredom.
I feel like if we can change that idea, that you always need something new to say, it might start to put things on a better track. Sometimes, things just are similar enough, or boring enough, to elicite a similar response. That, and, if you can, watch the movie twice: once to enjoy it, with a mindset more like the average moviegoer, and a second to pull apart and critique.
Are you writing reviews for critics to read, or for "everyday people?" Aren't you supposed to "describe" the appeal of a movie, even if it doesn't appeal to YOU that way? Idk... I always thought you were supposed to "get into the mind of your audience" to generate good ideas and opinions that actually mean anything to them.
@@Ortorin Wouldn't a review like that be really disingenuous? Rather than give their honest opinion, you'd want them to say why other people might like it instead? I don't think any review should be that way personally. I see videos on TH-cam with titles like "My HONEST opinion" as if honesty isn't something we should normally expect.
@@denverarnold6210 We both do something like that with the music review show that we also do. We listen to that week's album 3 times with different levels of attention and it's usually a different experience each time. If it were feasible to do that with a 2 hour movie in a week, I think it would help, but it just takes too much time.
@@Ortorin I'm not going to try and second guess what anyone else's experience with a piece of media is going to be like because I'm not in their head. All I can do is try my best to articulate my experience with it. We've recorded over 500 episodes, our listeners have had plenty of time to work out what our biases are.
Schaffrillas productions and Filmento are probably my favourite youtube movie reviewers since there's a decent mix of critic and casual watcher perspectives with both of them.
Filmento is great for movie analysis but not reviews , because that's not his format and his videos come too late. At that point the movie has left theatres. Schaffrillas is good but i feel like he's too opinionated and abrasive sometimes. A lot of movie critics don't have neutrality and end up forming culture tribes (Grace Randolph, Critical Drinker, Movie cynic). I think the ones MatPat recommended are actually the best Movie critic starter pack, especially Dan Murrell who's probably the best movie reviewer on the internet.
Dan Murrell is honestly one of the best movie reviewers around. Even if you don't agree with him, you completely get why he did or did not like something and he explains to the best of his abilities why it is he feels that way. He understands the audiences that films are targeting. He breaks down demographics for who and who isn't watching film. He will acknowledge when he gets information wrong or makes statements without all the facts. I loved him at Screen Junkies/Fandom and I still love him now that he's gone independent.
Thank you so much Matpat for showing off so many TH-cam movie reviewers, they’re some of my favorite videos to watch and see how others think about movies I love
My personal favorite way to use rotten tomatoes is finding one or two critics you like, you can check any critics profile instead of the movies page and it will show which score they gave alongside the full comment
I absolutely love Cinema Therapy. You have an actual filmmaker in Alan who delves into the filmmaking aspect, and then they usually review movies that give life lessons or deal with family issues because of Jonathan who is a family therapist, so between the two of them you really get a good idea of what makes a movie good, and how you can actually learn from them, or just watch them enjoy it and cry if it makes them sad.
Yes, I'm so glad their channel has grown. Jonathan and Alan make me appreciate the work and artistry that goes into the character development and general writing. They made me completely reconsider my opinion on the Star Wars sequels.
I don't think they give you a good idea about "what makes a movie good" rather than "what makes a CHARACTER good (or believable/realistic)". But, I totally agree that I love Cinema Therapy. I'm so glad that you brought them up, @CynderChan3843.
I really like Alex Meyers and Saberspark. Alex is really funny, and he keeps his opinions pretty simple, so they're easy to understand. And Saber also keeps things pretty simple, while also making sure to explain why he did or didn't like something about a movie
I really liked seeing Saber react to Animal Farm as that one was I watched in high school. It's older, but my teachers liked to find movies that went along with the books we read in English class, and then would write essays about the differences and similarities. It's neat to get that perspective, and I like how Saberspark focuses on animation which is often something critics aren't a fan of to begin with, regardless of the target demographic.
@@xXANIMANITEEXxnd that matters why? (Don't get me wrong, I almost never watch his furry videos, (unless it's Lackadaisy) but why does him mentioning Furries matter?)
Alex Meyers makes me want to commit war crimes. His video titles are annoying and his avatar is a rip-off of TheOdd1sOut. Saberspark is fine, but the voice he uses for his videos is just so strange to me, like he's portraying this character; he's more voice-acting than narrating.
I guess what I've learned from this video, is that rotten tomato scores are for how creative and unique a movie is, while the audience score is the overall liking people had for a film.
A wonderful reviewer for me is Filmento, he is not just giving an opinion or calling out a mistake or mistep, but giving lessons and good analogies of what could you do if you want to do a movie, avoiding all the misteps, or narrative issues that many ones have
only problem with him is he doesnt really do reviews of movies still in cinemas so he doesnt then have much impact on what I watch. But i like his more retrospective deep dive style.
I liked him until he started trying to sell, for MONEY, a how-to book on something he himself has never actually done, that is make a movie. That took him from interesting and insightful to downright arrogant in my opinion. If he ever makes a movie and it breaks the box office, I will come back with apologies and tears for days, but until then, I don't think he should be encouraged in the belief that he somehow knows best when it comes to making movies.
The gap between seeing a movie as art and as an enterteiment will be forever present in popular culture, not only in movies but in anything ever made in general
@@dieptrieu6564 Oh boy, You are digging a 2000 years hole. Movies are in a special place because the craft needed to produce them can called art (like animation, acting, music etc etc) and at the same time have nothing of value to add, for example a movie like morbious; You can argue there is a lot of art involved yet is trash
@@danyosuna7276 And what value does sticking a banana to the wall add? Art is entertainment. It's just how it is. Someone like it someone don't. It doesn't need to have any value other than that
I loved the fact that you gave a shout out to YT reviewers, as that’s actually where I’ve gotten my critic perspective from for years now! Sometimes I don’t always agree with them, but I like getting the differing perspectives! Especially as a filmmaker myself (animation college major). Finding the right critics that speak to you but also might not always agree with you is a healthy way to engage with differing perspectives and criticism. It’s healthy to see different perspectives and why others might think that way, but also acknowledge that it being different from your perspective doesn’t make your opinion any less valid. It’s what I love about art, it’s all subjective at the end of the day. Anyways, great video MatPat! I really appreciated all the points you made!
One of my favourite movie and TV reviewers is a guy called Alex Myers. He does a whole range of things but mostly kids to teen films. He is really funny and engaging like matpat and I can not stop watching him. I would not say he does a real big deep dive into the movie or anything but it is worth checking out anyway =)
11:58 Fun fact: Turning Red isn’t the first (or last) time Disney talked about “That time of the month.” That honor actually goes to 1946’s The Story Of Menstruation. Yep, Disney was talking about lady parts all the way back in the 40’s.
my brother is over 40 years old. The first time I heard him giggle so many times over a movie is in the Super Mario movie, every time Lumalee appears. It made me happy to hear my very serious brother laugh at the cinema
I saw this movie with my sister and we grew up with Mario as kids. Being different, knowing we both had an interest in the same material was refreshing, but I loved all her reactions like excited to see her favorite character Donkey Kong pop up, going "Aww" 😢 when Mario and Luigi got separated and "Aww" 🥲 when they reunited, and even telling Mario and Luigi to "Get the star! Get the star!" during the final battle. It was so awesome seeing my little sister by 2 years react like a kid again to video game characters we know. She even started humming the Bowser "Dudda-dudda-dudda" song to herself on the way home.
Mario Bros was the first movie my 5 year old sat all the way through, completely engrossed the entire time. Puss n Boots was close, but a bit too much of a challenge in some regards. And it packed more than enough nostalgia for me to smile and reminisce about. It was absolutely perfect for what it was.
Reel School - this guy knows his stuff and goes deep. He manages to get some behind the scenes info and even interviews people involved. He never built up much traction, but was my go-to film reviewer. I just saw Mario in theatres today with my 2 young kids, the score had me nostalgic, and the kids had fun - I also managed to spot some easter eggs. Thumbs up all around.
High boi is honestly one of the most insightful and intelligent movie critic EVER. His takes are very interesting and mind blowing. Each of them just puts me in a new perspective every time. I'd rate that guy 7 peanut butter dog out of 11 weekly hospital trips
He's not a film reviewer but thank you for giving SkillUp some shine because personally I think he knows how to strip a game down to the boards and examine everything, and his Mario Bros movie review I thought was on point.
I saw one critic's review that princess Peach wasn't a boss girl enough and that the movie should've centered around her. 🤣 Just see what happened to the new Peter Pan movie, everyone hated it.
Yikes, they already chucked Luigi out of 90% of the movie so Peach could girlboss as much as possible. What more do they want in a movie that’s supposed to be about two brothers?
Love how Matpats intentionally didn't spoil anything I already saw the movie and it's amazing but it's just nice to see he didn't spoil it for anyone who hasn't
Sean Chandler is my personal favourite critic. I almost always agree with his scores and he makes videos on basically all the franchises I like, plus so much more. Top tier guy.
Happy 12M, Film Theory! I've been a fan of the channel since its first month launched (even before I know Game Theory existed!), and this is a massive milestone! Keep up the incredible work, Team Theorist!
12:19 okay but as someone who DEFINITELY isn't a critic, I liked that they touched on this idea in the movie! It's a coming of age movie, an allegory of a girl getting her first period and going through puberty, makes sense that the subject of periods and pads comes up. I think it's good for movies/TV shows to touch on something that every girl goes through at some point in their life. Maybe it's because I'm 22 now and periods are just another things going on in my life every month, but I don't get why people seemed so up in arms and angry about pads being mentioned. Periods are normal and natural thing for girls, and should be treated as such, especially when a girl has one for the first time, obviously.
Schaffrillas Productions is one of my favorite youtube channels of all time. He makes great movie reviews that are hilarious and provide perspective. Definitely recommend
One thing I don’t hear in these discussions: Audiences only review movies they want to see. Every audience member who reviewed Mario is one who wanted to see a Mario movie enough to put their own money down. Maybe it was nostalgia. Maybe they were fans of the game. But they were invested in that property enough to spend $20 - $80 and a precious free evening to go. The audience members who balked at the idea of an Italian stereotype plumber kicking turtles didn’t see the movie, didn’t review the movie, and therefore aren’t counted in the audience score. Critics just have to go no matter how much they hate the idea. Will all audiences love Fast and the Furious? No. But the Audience Score isn’t all audiences. It’s only those people who thought they would love it. The critic score actually is all critics including the ones that wouldn’t have bought a ticket in a million years.
Schaff is my go-to for any animated movie or literally anything that disney owns. I also used to watch 24 frames of Nick a lot and he does coverage of a lot more movies than schaff but he can be a little much. However i would recommend either of those channels.
Bruh, the Mario movie was the date night movie for the last date I went on, we both had a wonderful time and it was really fun getting each other's reactions, exchanging Easter eggs we noticed and just overall experiencing that wonderful movie together, totally recommend
@@handsomesponge9952 Not only that but if she had fun with that you at least know she is not a stuck-up of the type: "OMG, you took me to the cinema instead of an expensive restaurant and to see a stupid video game movie that you video game geeks like? What a looser!". Not being of that type is already a pretty good start.
I think you are sorta right, but there are plenty of good movies that are enjoyable that audiences don’t like. There are multiple aspects to enjoyability, critics enjoy quality films and aren’t going to be persuaded by just a movie made to be fun. The recent Puss in Boots is an example of both where it is a fun all ages experience like Mario, but also has actual effort in the quality aspect. It’s a good example of why we shouldn’t be upset movies like Mario don’t get good critic scores, because there are movies that put in the effort and achieve both, and they should be rewarded for that
@@castielchieng7475 I think this only really applies to movies that are more of artsy films. Plenty of movies don’t fall into this category. Movies that critics don’t like but audiences love are like Junk food, the taste fine but they lack substance and their are tastier options that are actually good food. Critics like movies that actually put effort into more than just being a crowd pleaser. I think people understand this a lot with music. Pop songs are very popular, but a lot of people will not recognize many of them as that great of songs but just catchy and easy to listen, with little substance.
personally i really love Schaffrillas Productions. he is so funny, very real, and just reminds you of your everydsy guy who just has a deep passion for animation as a whole
Same with fresh reviews. A fresh review could be a 6/10 or B- and a rotten review could be a 5/10 or C+, even though these ratings all just mean it’s okay. That’s why it’s also good to look at the average rating because a movie with a 30% and a movie with an 80% could actually have a similar critical consensus.
I always try to look at a piece of media with one (well, two-in-one) main question: what is it trying to do and does it succeed? Even shoestring-budget found footage can be entertaining if a filmmaker knows this and leans into it. I thought The SMB Movie achieved what it was trying to do and was a fun time, and I was not disappointed
I think with Turning Red, it resonated more with a smaller audience, mainly like asians and teens that had roughly similar experiences or similar elements. I enjoyed it a lot but I'm definitely not surprised it didn't go very well for others.
I generally agree with that. And that is the problem, people vote things based on what their emotional reaction to it is. I enjoyed Turning Red as a man myself from the viewpoint of having to find a way as a child to please your parent but find your own identity at the same time. And hearing my wife say what she related to or didn't in the movie was also fun. But only some movies, like Avatar Way of Water, are written to have a wide appeal. Even if you look at Top Gun Maverick, it did not do as well as other movies internationally because it is unapologetically American patriotism. So movies have different audiences. I don't think I should say a My Little Pony movie is "trash" just because I am not the target audience.
@@johnathancooper5753 tbh having to please your parent sounds more abusive the more i think about it parents are so bad these days and i feel like the parenting system should be reworked entirely
as an asian saying turning red resonates with asians is kinda racist ngl like its such a cringy piece of trash of a movie that i find that statement kinda racist against me theres nothing asian about that movie except the main character being asian and the abusive parent that wants their child to be perfection rly the rest is just teen stuff and i find relating something as trash as turning red to my race kinda racist
When it comes to animated movies saberspark has got to be my favorite. He mentions all the important parts on the film like the animation, plot, voice acting and so on.
I want to personally thank MatPat because before this video I didn’t understand Rotton Tomatoes and the percentage systems but watching this video now I understand, MatPat truly is a teacher ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻
The reality of modern critics vs modern audiences is that critics are mainly just paid by major media to help push a narrative while audiences are usually just asking themselves " did I have fun and enjoy watching this movie"
@@alhena11 yes it is. It's been confirmed many times that many positive reviews are payed for. Are ALL of them? probably not. But trying to act like it's not a thing is just kissing the feet of Coporate Hollywood and acting willfully ignorant. Again this isn't to say every positive critic score is payed for. But you can't pretend like it isn't a thing.
You say “push an agenda” like they’re trying to indoctrinate people. They’re just some dude who prolly writes reviews as a side job, gets paid to do it, and maybe writes an overly positive review bc he knows someone in the movie personally.
My theory is that critics want a film to have a message that reaffirms their own beliefs about the world around them. Meanwhile the general audience wants to forget the world around them. That's why films that won't touch current events with a 10 foot pole tend to do better with audiences and worse with critics.
Can’t believe he talked about the divide between critics and audience scores and didn’t mention cuties, by far the biggest divide in scores with critics scores being 87% and audiences being 15%,THATS A 72% DIFFERENCE, it’s also why I focus audience scores over critic scores ever since
@@joshthompson2535 If I remember correctly it was a movie about a childrens dance group competition. In it they had the girls dress….pretty bad. Not only that the dance moves were also sus. It was supposedly about female empowerment but came off as some pervs fantasy.
Oh and Netflix greenlit it and defended the movie saying everyone didn’t just understand it or something along those lines. While canceling shows that were way better.
Not going to lie, hearing Dan Murrell get some recognition was a delight. He’s done very well to break off from Screen Junkies and form his own channel. To your point of “find a critic who’s opinion usually aligns with your own and go with them,” Dan has been that for me a majority of the time. Well thought out remarks towards what he likes as well as criticisms from someone who is passionate about film.
Such is the Blessing and Curse of the Internet. The internet didn't make us weirder or more evil, it simply made exposing said weirdness and malice much easier to do.
Even people who are perfectionists, tend to be a bit of a critic, while also trying to make something perfect. I tend to be a bit of a perfectionist; but I also understand that not EVERYTHING has to a perfect film or adaptation.
Amanda The Jedi is my fave movie critic. I love her breakdowns and her in depth loos into why she did or didn't like a movie. I don't always agree with her, but I love hearing her opinion. And because of her, I've looked into a lot more movies that I would have otherwise overlooked.
I don't even remember how I stumbled upon Amanda the Jedi but the first video of her's I watch was for some show I absolutely hated and I got a good laugh on her take about it... Nowadays TH-cam wants to show me everybody but her who I'm actually subscribed to.
One point you might have missed is the audience sometimes has a protest vote (The Last Jedi) or an ironic comedy vote (Morbius) which can skew things even further.
The last jedi wasn't really a protest vote. Negative review bombing tends to be fixed or confirmed after a year or so. See Sonic going back up after bombing or she hulk going down then up then back down after the finale.
The Last Jedi's audience score accurately depicts what the actual movie was like: Non-lore conforming, unexplainable, dumb, political-siding, awful characterisation, twists made for twist shock value etc. The critics and Hollywood went downhill since then!
When I went to see the Mario Movie with my boyfriend, you saw people of all ages. There were children a few down from us who would get excited as well as really get into the movie. Normally people talking during a move would make me angry, but this instance it didnt. I was able to see the excitement a child felt for this movie, that I had felt for the games when I was a kid. That to me was the point, to introduce the younger generation to enjoyment we had as kids.
Honestly, have to say the same. During the Peach blue dress scene, I heard a little kid say, "oh my gosh she's so pretty!" and I just thought it was adorable.
I mean, you really can't go wrong with Schafrillas productions, he's really funny and gives his opinions on a LOT of things, like videogames, movies, musicals, etc.
Schaff is good, but I do remember absolute hating his review of Turning Red. He really missed the mark on that one. Other than that, I enjoy his videos, especially the ones where he ranks films.
ScraffrillasProductions is likely one of the only movie critics I actually watch and enjoy, mostly because of the editing style just pulls you in. He's passionate for a lot of things, and he isn't afraid to point out BIG MISTAKEs if they don't gel well with him. He's the guy with the glowing coconut crab profile picture.
I second this! And I hope he is doing well with his… recent tragedies I miss Patrick… I can’t believe he had to go before watching The Owl House finale
@@Dragoonsoul7878 Mario fans don’t seem to understand this. They get mad when people point out their nostalgia isn’t everyone’s nostalgia. A film critic who doesn’t play Mario isn’t getting anything interesting or fresh out of the Mario movie. It’s a pretty generic movie when you actually look at it as a movie first and a mario product second.
There's one issue: Audience scores are naturally going to be biased. You usually wouldn't go watch a movie unless there's at least some minimal passing interest in it, whereas critics has to do it cause job. Though honestly it's also just as likely because critics aren't quite getting the movie, having a fixed opinion on what movies should be.
@@MonographicSingleheaded What part makes no sense? The first part is a logical inference and the second part is an informed speculation, neither of which claim to be the entire answer so... I'm confused as to what part doesn't quite make sense to you.
Honestly, I feel its better that way. Sure “bias” exists but as a system to decide wether a movie is enjoyable, a person who is interested and involved is exactly what we want. The audience liking a movie made for that audience is what the standard should be. They are going to know what they like and unless you yourself are a big critic, your opinions are probably going to match closer to to the audience scores because you are the audience.
Critics have to see movies as a job. A joke might get made in ten different movies, in the same year, and you would never know, but critics will know AND BE PISSED.
I really hope that this will be the case with Elemental. I’m really excited for the movie, and I want it to succeed. The critics saw the film at the end of a very prestigious film festival, so it’s natural for it to be deemed not as high by default in my opinion. So hopefully it does well!
To their credit, they also did show that a balance can be struck. The critic who first orders the soup that sets everything in play. She wasn't even a tiny focus, but she clearly had enough love for food to still hope Gusteau's to hope it was good again and humble enough to say, "Yes! It is good despite what I thought!" In short, it hit both sides of professional criticism quite well, even it the focus was only on one side of it.
I really wouldn't say they lost the love. It's just that what they love is a movie that surprises, impresses or provokes them in interesting ways. Mindless action loses its shine after the 900th time, and it's definitely hard looking past that. Personally I got that with anime, with the tropes that I see in every other anime getting on my nerves so much by this point I go into watching one of them and almost mentally check out whenever they appear. Repetition and monotony is the death of passion, and for critics that have to watch so, so many movies when compared to the average audience member, it makes sense why they want something more than pretty explosions and a wafer thin plot.
The Little Platoon is a great movie reviewer. He does really in depth reviews on bad movies and often gets into the nitty gritty of how and why they failed and what they could've done instead. He's been instrumental in my ability to write better stories
I have watched Welcome to the Basement on TH-cam since it’s first episode 12 years ago. I shed a tear when long time cohost Craig recently said he was taking a step back. I’ll always be thankful for the show and I’m looking forward to Matt’s new chapter. The best soft commentary and comedy about movies.
This is why I just watch individual reviewers who have a track record of liking what I like. I really kinda keep forgetting Rotten Tomatoes exists until someone brings it up.
This is an amazing take and should be shown to everyone to help people understand the scope and scale of these media moguls, as well as their motives and tactics!
I like Amanda the Jedi, Saberspark, and Alex Meyers. They’re entertaining, do good overviews, and I usually like the different levels they dive to for each movie.
I’m glad a video like this exists. I think it’s important to remember that opinions are just opinions, and we should understand what exactly is being said. We can use them to create an informed conclusion on a piece of media, but understand it’s alright and shouldn’t get upset if they come to different conclusions themselves
I think the best way to take rotten tomatoes's reviews is considering they are evaluating two separate thing : a plot score (critics), and a film score (community), and then choosing depending on what is your intention when watching a movie
The two most recent Jumagi films were rated well by ordinary people and when I saw them, everyone in the theature was a mouth breather and nothing happened for all of both films. Be very wary of seeing a film critics hate.
"A plot score" XD XD XD XD tell me how The Last Jedi has "a good plot score" when it's plot literally revolves around "the one factor that made this entire universe, no longer applies" how do you rate "a good plot" a plot that takes the entire universe that it is working with, off of, in, and around, and throws it out the window not for the sake of rebooting the franchise, but for the sake of *continuing it through the eyes of new writers?* that's what Last Jedi did: they tried to get rid of Anakin's development AND legacy, to continue the narrative under the premise of "you can now be whatever your want without development... just wish it and it will be so"
I was surprised to see uncut gems have such a poor score since I've only really seen people say they like it so I went to have a look at some audience reviews. Majority of the negative reviews were just about the movie swearing too much which I never thought there was that large an audience of people who dont like swearing enough to make them hate a movie
I'm one of the people who dislike things that have too much swearing in them. I sometimes won't even watch the entire thing because the swearing is too much for me. The thing is, I don't like cuss words and I also find an excessive use of them as a sign of a weak vocabulary. They have over a thousand words to choose from and they choose to use the same handful of cuss words over and over again.
@@33pandagamer That's fair, but this IS a film about gambling addicts. They aren't supposed to be the most literate speakers. Not every film needs to have a Sorkin dialogue.
It's frustrating how the main critics I listen to are available only on Rotten Tomatoes because of Metacritic's inability to recognize obscure publishers.
Here's one approach: Scale reviewer scores based on how close they are to the target audience of the movie. If the movies are tagged well enough, you can use that to calculate how much each critic likes a certain genre/tag in general. That can then be used to scale their vote in the overall rating. Someone who gives pretty much all action movies a bad rating won't play much into another action movie, while someone who generally loves romance will be weighted stronger on romantic movies. So if the action hater suddenly decides this action movie is a new and refreshing take on a genre they usually dislike, that won't over-inflate the score for people who want an average action movie. And if the romance lover is very disappointed with a romantic movie, that will weigh in more heavily because that's a genre they care about. Could probably display an "average rating for similar movies" next to their review as well to show their overall stance. That would add the "At The Movies" factor back, of context for experience with certain genres. And if you want to go further, they could offer official critic positions to audience accounts with enough "training data" to scale them well.
I think it’s also important to view the numbers used in RT scores not as grades (90+ is an A, 89-80 is a B, etc.) but rather as probability scores (a movie with a 50% score means whether you like it or not will be like a coin toss). Not to mention RT removes a LOT of nuance of the critics opinions down to a binary system of Rotten/Fresh. There’s no “Perfectly Ripe” or “Slightly Spoiled” rating, so both mild and extreme reactions are given the same value.
I went to see the Mario movie with my brother and cousin and a good 98% of the audience was adults. I think the movie was made with both children and the adults who grew up with Mario, I think that’s why it was so well received. It was great, the entire audience started singing along to the DK song XD
Not really a movie review channel but the channel Cinema Therapy always has really good conversations on movies. Also for more review type movies Sapersparks and Cellspex are great
One of the writer's of this episode, Bob Chipman, I turn to for reviews as he has both a background in games and films media so he shares a similar mindset to me and other reviewers I watch. Plus seeing an episode about critics and seeing him as a writing credit brings a smile to my face.
The real question is why they removed the audience score of Peter Pan & Wendy. It was so bad that they didn't want you to know how bad it is.
It's at 11% audience score. Funny, cuz the critic score is positive. I think this reinforces the video's point.
It's back or something
Interesting
Dude, never knew that!
That's how shook they were.
After watching this, I'm still as confused as ever as to why Boss Baby was nominated for best animated movie while A Silent Voice came out the same year and got zero recognition...
It didn't win Best Animated Feature, but yes, it still got nominated while A Silent Voice was ignored by the Oscars. Completely unacceptable.
@@trevorpacelli8056 yeah it was late at night and I messed up what I wanted to say. Ty lol
Oscars are trash and that's why the trash that is Boss Baby was there. There is no love for actual art there, just what people can say they saw a poster for.
@@Sir_Psych I feel like that's pretty much the same case for all award shows in general but yeah u right, oscars are trashy and so out of touch
@@Sir_Psychconsidering Oscar's are more "paid" to be nominated via swag and gifts to the people doing the voting, I agree.
The ironic thing is Turning Red wasn’t released in theaters. The parents could just turn off the TV
Yeah and that movie was fun maybe I’m seeing that way because I have no kids but I don’t see a problem with it I think some parents overrated
I dont know if I want to watch a 2 hour period metaphor...
Good thing it was also a great movie with a really interesting plot.
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 It's definitely not a period metaphor, if there's any metaphor it's that kids should be able to be themselves without their parents crushing their dreams.
It's literally just a story of a girl hiding her panda powers from her family. The period thing is just a joke because the mum thinks she's started her period when in actuality she's transformed into a red panda.
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 if u actually watched the movie and used a single ounce of thought you'd understand it isn't about periods
My wife and I say the same things about rotten tomatoes scores.
If it has a good critic score but an awful audience score then it’s probably technically well made but boring or a slog to get through.
If it has a bad critic score and a good audience score it’s probably a bit less technically well made but is definitely crazy fun (fun bc it’s so bad or fun bc it’s over the top)
We’d rather see an audience score movie than a critic movie bc at least we know it’ll be fun.
A bad audience score but a good critic score could also mean where the movie might be a sequel/adaptation where alone it might be okay but misfits whatever it's connected to in one way or another.
The mario movie was kinda boring tbh, in my opinion
@@bb3k761 it was! They focused too much on references and too little on ✨having a plot✨
The issue there is as was said a good audience score could mea. Ot was boosted by a theater environment, one you can't remake at home
Ahem spider man no way home
I like someone as huge as Matpat mentioning Pointless hub, Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckman, Moist critical or Cosmonaut. It’s nice knowing dope creators fw other dope creators
Literally just thinking about that. It just feels right, bro.
Cosmmonait one of my faocrite yourubers top 3 for sure! My fav!
Jeremy and Chris can miss a lot though so I guess you should just trust your own view rather than others
Other than the 3 mentioned in the video, I like Cosmonaut Variety Hour too. I’d add Mr Sunday Movies and Red Letter Media. My only problem is coverage, Cosmonaut and Mr Sunday tend to focus primarily on fantasy/gaming/comic media, though they will cover other stuff on occasion.
@@davidrich27 Mr. Sunday Movies are hilarious, aside from the movie reviews, I also enjoy their podcasts, gaming vids and the random quizzes haha
I quote Shigeru Miyamoto himself: “While many foreign critics have given the movie relatively low ratings, I think that also contributed to the movie’s notoriety and buzz.”
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To be fair, I was dead set on watching the movie well before critics started panning it. I was sold on the the trailers, and the fact that I trusted the quality, due to Shigeru Miyamoto being involved and the Studio having a good rep. So after having anticipated it for months, I took my nephews and me and them had a blast. Sure, the pacing was bad, the movie was rather short, and the plot felt thin, but the visuals, the action, the Easter eggs and the overall feel and passion got through. If they keep making more movies, while I hope they improve on some of the shortcomings, as long as the quality is on the same bar as this movie, I think I'll very much look forward tot hem as well.
The critic score is looking at movies as art, while the audience score looks at movies as entertainment. It's like the difference between a restaurant critic's opinion of a Michelin Star dining experience vs ReviewBrah telling us whether a new fast food is worth trying or skipping. Both are useful, but they're serving different purposes.
It's more that being a film critic makes watching movies very very annoying. Most people see like a movie a month or something, critics see like three a day or at least five a week.
When you see that many movies, you want them to be good, if not great, so they don't all blur together.
I also think when a movie IS artistic critics will sometimes look at the wrong parts of its artistry, and say it's bad for it
@@aff77141 I mean critics weren't a fan of Soldier or Equilibrium, both movies where the main character didn't emote at all for 60 minutes of the movie.
However, one guy was on drugs that kept him from experiencing emotion, and the other was trained and indoctrinated to obey soldiers and feel nothing.
Granted, both films were very very flashy and in a way trying to hard to seem like they had something to say.
I personally love them both, because they're so different from other films.
I don't agree with this analogy.
Art _is_ entertainment. If a piece of art is only enjoyed by those who study it, but not those who want to enjoy it, then it's not a good piece of art!
The problem with critics is 1. that the big critics and their platforms are prone to corporate influence and 2. that many critics are looking at it from too much of a technical, theoretical and analytical viewpoint and fail to recognize how the broad audience consumes and interacts with the art.
EDIT: Plus, what Tevo77777 said, I agree here too. If I watched at least one movie per day, like professional critics do, I'd probably be bored with any movie that isn't absolutely outstanding and groundbreaking, especially since I'd have to watch a lot of movies I don't care about to begin with in order to meet that quota.
Meanwhile, if you go to the cinema once in a blue moin, you won't really mind that a movie is rather mediocre from a technical standpoint, as long as the topic/franchise of the movie is intriguing to you.
This may explain why some movies are hugely popular with the audience but blasted by critics: they captured the fantasy of a casual audience who can look past a technically mid execution of a good concept.
Likewise, a movie that scores well from critics, but disappoints the audience might be executed well in terms of technicalities like cinematography, special effects, acting, screenwriting, but the concept of the movie simply doesn't resonate with the audience.
@@LRM12o8 I disagree that art is entertainment. It is a very reductive statement.
While there is nothing wrong with movies purely focused on entertaining the audience. Most good art is about pushing a certain boundary or at least challenging its consumer. Most good art demands a certain level of thought from its consumer. Instead of pointing and laughing at the funny guy falling, you are meant to interact with art and engage with its ideas.
While I think all people should engage with something artistic throughout their lifetime. I also think that it is okay for the art to not be for everyone.
So an artistic movie doesn't have to be a blockbuster hit. And, vice versa, entertaining movies don't have to be artistic.
For me, it’s simple. I ignore ALL critics, ALL TH-camrs, all anybody until AFTER I see it for myself (if I’m even interested in it in the first place), and can form my own opinion. Only then, is it fun for me to check out the reviews retroactively to determine who does or doesn’t agree with MY opinion. Not the other way around.
But since time and money is limited I like to get a critic's opinion first sometimes. If I see Stuckman giving a movie an A, I consider seeing it in cinemas. If its a B, I might see it at home. I haven't gone wrong with this, yet. But in general, your approach is great too of course but I don't want to miss obscure gems.
@@pupsi3523 - That’s fair enough. I like Stuckman. He’s one of the first guys I check out AFTER seeing a film and very often we agree. Other times, we don’t. But I always find his perspectives interesting and enjoyable, even when we don’t agree.
yeah same, i hate having my opinion of something ruined before i even manage to consume it for myself
@@pupsi3523 i mean, either you pirate it and its free anyways, or you have a subscription to some movie watching website and it doesnt really take up any extra money youd be spending anyways, or you go to the cinema, and going to the cinema is always overall a nice and cozy experience regardless of the quality of the movie itself. At least thats how it is for me
that goes double for games as well.
Whilst it was kinda covered in the video, it's important to note that when a critic reviews a movie, they watched as part of their job, not just casually, and aren't necessarily fans of the source material if it's from a previously established franchise. Also, the audience score isn't comprised of everyone, but specifically people who:
1) Decided to watch the movie, meaning they are likely part of the movie's demographic, including fans of the potential source material.
2) Are people who watched it, and then bothered making a review of it on Rotten Tomatoes.
Wells it’s people who either liked it or hated it enough to review it
I think especially the 2nd point is extremely relevant. Like reviews for everything, you typically only review things you have strong feelings about. You hate it or you love it. Critics review the movie either way though
It has nothing to do with that, it's all rigged. The critics give the film the rating they are told to give it, they are just pawns with no control over what they say or give the movie. If the movie or game tows the political line it gets raving reviews even if it's garbage. If it isn't towing the line it gets bombed
I agree, but I would also add that there's not room for nuisance in these aggregate scores. Critics like Siskel and Ebert didn't just give a thumbs up or down and leave it at that. They were usually able to express their perspective in an entertaining way and have a discussion between the two of them. Attention in internet discourse often encourages people to give broad reactionary takes and doesn't necessarily encourage a lot of reflection or middle of the road takes. Everything has to be the best or worst movie in recent memory. Most critics probably didn't despise the Mario movie, but they just didn't love it and would prefer you spend your money on a film with less publicity they watched that they feel is more deserving of your attention. Universal and Nintendo aren't exactly hurting for your money at this point, regardless of the film's quality.
This! Thank you! It will never stop being important to listen not only to what people are saying, but also were are they coming from when they do
When it comes to reviewers, my two favorites are Saberspark and Schaffrillas Productions. They mostly review animated movies/shows, but I respect their opinions since they not only break down what they review into different aspects like animation, story, acting, etc., but also look at it from both their own personal tastes as well as from a general audience's point of view.
I agree with Saberspark he is a great reviewer!
poor schaff hes gone through so much
@@fishmaster665 not really I feel like most people agree with him
@Insert name here No that's not what they meant, he was in a car crash and unfortunately while he survived his brother and best friend didn't. :(
Took the words out of my mouth.
The whole video, the thing that stuck out most to me was how Mario's critic score was VERY SUSPICIOUSLY just 1% below "Fresh" and I'm glad you eventually called that out. You might say it's conspiracy-ish, but I think faked conflict is a huge marketing driver for the studios, and manipulating score outcomes is so easy to do. You don't even have to lie, just engage in the right amount of selection bias and everything falls their way. Whether that way is rotten or fresh doesn't matter, so long as the discrepencey is created.
Not a critic, but I sympathize with them. When viewing any art I am constantly thinking, "What are they trying to say?" The problem is, some movies aren't trying to say anything more than "Hey! Look at me!"
Kinda disagree. All movies sends some message. The problem is, that the critics may not like the message - not modern/innovative/representative/etc. enough and then they just trash it, meanwhile general audience don't care about this snobbish bs, preferencing the plot, logic and the delivery of the message, regardless of its complexity
@@oculusvision558 That's totally fair, I may just be a snob who feels closer to the critics than a "general audience"
you are @@cgillespie78
Pretty much every movie ever that chooses popular actors over better fitting ones
We love cinema therapy. It’s both a film production analysis as well as character analysis from the POV of a psychologist analysing the characters’ mental states etc
Crying with Alan❤
I'm also a big fan of that channel! They teach me a lot about therapy stuff. They have made me appreciate movies that I originally thought were not so good
I love them!
Cinema Therapy is really good too!!
Me too!
One of the worst things i ever did was learn about plot structure and character development. I have such a hard time watching stuff now because i am looking for those elements. I imagine the critics are the same way.
It’s fun to study things but if you get mentally stuck in a paradigm of “how a story should be told” then you will struggle to enjoy certain films that simply do it differently. Not worse, or better, just differently. What you should be asking is, “why does this still work even though it doesn’t go about it in a traditional way?”
My little sister’s friend said one of my favourite characters in my comfort movie doesn’t have a personality and I was so offended that I haven’t watched it again since for fear of seeing that she has a point
This was me with novels after my 11th grade English class.
Real
My wife tells me that same thing LoL.
She affectionately tells me I "ruined movies" for her because I showed her how to critique movies.
But another thing we like to watch together are food shows. and just because we learned the proper technique to cut an onion does not mean when a restaurant or a friend does not use that technique that we say their food tastes "bad".
First and foremost, did we have FUN while watching the movie? if we did, we don't say a movie is bad. It may not be great, or maybe not even good, but our standard is "Did we have fun?" If so... movie is "below average" at worse for us.
Reminds me of old footage I saw on TH-cam of people lining up outside theaters in the 80s being interviewed.
Interviewer: So, what are your expectations?
Fan: It's gonna be great!
Interviewer: Really? But the critics are panning it.
Fan: Pfft, what do they know?
The movie in question? This little flick you might've heard of called "The Empire Strikes Back".
The thing about Turning Red was that the demographic was more targeted than most Pixar movies.
My daughter is 9, this movie was her jam. She sometimes goes nuts, randomly yelling parts of it out.
None of the boys she knows watched the movie.
I know so many little girls who loved this coming of age story tailored to them.
Well, that explains a lot.
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After hearing the "your older now talk" this sounds more for kids of the pre-teen demographic, not 9 year olds..... And as far as for boys? This movie is mostly female centered so it makes sense they wouldn't watch it and your daughter did.
And it's also a movie that Teen girls can relate to. I feel like many animation films are too cringy for teenagers.
As a cringey boy who is just now freshly an adult and watched this movie when I was like 16, or something, I can say I enjoyed it a lot for the weird vibes of how friends just act around each other and can confirm, I'm definitely my friend group's Abby
Your analysis is spot on. I'm an amateur critic. I've been co-hosting a movie review podcast for over a decade and your description of what critics like and dislike fits me and my co-host perfectly. And it's exactly because we have to find things to say about a different movie every week. When you consume a particular kind of media that frequently and attentively, you naturally seek novelty. Both so you can find something interesting to say about it and to avoid boredom.
I feel like if we can change that idea, that you always need something new to say, it might start to put things on a better track. Sometimes, things just are similar enough, or boring enough, to elicite a similar response.
That, and, if you can, watch the movie twice: once to enjoy it, with a mindset more like the average moviegoer, and a second to pull apart and critique.
Are you writing reviews for critics to read, or for "everyday people?" Aren't you supposed to "describe" the appeal of a movie, even if it doesn't appeal to YOU that way? Idk... I always thought you were supposed to "get into the mind of your audience" to generate good ideas and opinions that actually mean anything to them.
@@Ortorin Wouldn't a review like that be really disingenuous? Rather than give their honest opinion, you'd want them to say why other people might like it instead? I don't think any review should be that way personally. I see videos on TH-cam with titles like "My HONEST opinion" as if honesty isn't something we should normally expect.
@@denverarnold6210 We both do something like that with the music review show that we also do. We listen to that week's album 3 times with different levels of attention and it's usually a different experience each time. If it were feasible to do that with a 2 hour movie in a week, I think it would help, but it just takes too much time.
@@Ortorin I'm not going to try and second guess what anyone else's experience with a piece of media is going to be like because I'm not in their head. All I can do is try my best to articulate my experience with it. We've recorded over 500 episodes, our listeners have had plenty of time to work out what our biases are.
Schaffrillas productions and Filmento are probably my favourite youtube movie reviewers since there's a decent mix of critic and casual watcher perspectives with both of them.
schaffrillas also makes his videos so fun to watch, love him man
Im subbed to both
Filmento is great for movie analysis but not reviews , because that's not his format and his videos come too late. At that point the movie has left theatres. Schaffrillas is good but i feel like he's too opinionated and abrasive sometimes. A lot of movie critics don't have neutrality and end up forming culture tribes (Grace Randolph, Critical Drinker, Movie cynic). I think the ones MatPat recommended are actually the best Movie critic starter pack, especially Dan Murrell who's probably the best movie reviewer on the internet.
Same I had to look up how to spell schaffrillas productions, didn’t know how to spell his name
Dan Murrell is honestly one of the best movie reviewers around. Even if you don't agree with him, you completely get why he did or did not like something and he explains to the best of his abilities why it is he feels that way. He understands the audiences that films are targeting. He breaks down demographics for who and who isn't watching film. He will acknowledge when he gets information wrong or makes statements without all the facts. I loved him at Screen Junkies/Fandom and I still love him now that he's gone independent.
Pointless hub:
Does moviesins count as a movie critic?
@@bomerdoomer69420 very critical critic to the point it just makes you depressed
Thank you so much Matpat for showing off so many TH-cam movie reviewers, they’re some of my favorite videos to watch and see how others think about movies I love
I'm sure making that comment must have been really difficult
My personal favorite way to use rotten tomatoes is finding one or two critics you like, you can check any critics profile instead of the movies page and it will show which score they gave alongside the full comment
I absolutely love Cinema Therapy. You have an actual filmmaker in Alan who delves into the filmmaking aspect, and then they usually review movies that give life lessons or deal with family issues because of Jonathan who is a family therapist, so between the two of them you really get a good idea of what makes a movie good, and how you can actually learn from them, or just watch them enjoy it and cry if it makes them sad.
Yes, I'm so glad their channel has grown. Jonathan and Alan make me appreciate the work and artistry that goes into the character development and general writing. They made me completely reconsider my opinion on the Star Wars sequels.
I love Cinema Therapy!!!! My boss and I talk about episodes all the time!!! It’s our “geek” office bonding time. 😂
I don't think they give you a good idea about "what makes a movie good" rather than "what makes a CHARACTER good (or believable/realistic)". But, I totally agree that I love Cinema Therapy. I'm so glad that you brought them up, @CynderChan3843.
Therapy and movie commentary? What’s better!?
I was going to shout these guys out too! Adore both of them so much.
I really like Alex Meyers and Saberspark. Alex is really funny, and he keeps his opinions pretty simple, so they're easy to understand. And Saber also keeps things pretty simple, while also making sure to explain why he did or didn't like something about a movie
I really liked seeing Saber react to Animal Farm as that one was I watched in high school. It's older, but my teachers liked to find movies that went along with the books we read in English class, and then would write essays about the differences and similarities. It's neat to get that perspective, and I like how Saberspark focuses on animation which is often something critics aren't a fan of to begin with, regardless of the target demographic.
Liked Saber too until he started talking about being a furry in almost every video.
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@@xXANIMANITEEXxnd that matters why?
(Don't get me wrong, I almost never watch his furry videos, (unless it's Lackadaisy) but why does him mentioning Furries matter?)
Alex Meyers makes me want to commit war crimes. His video titles are annoying and his avatar is a rip-off of TheOdd1sOut. Saberspark is fine, but the voice he uses for his videos is just so strange to me, like he's portraying this character; he's more voice-acting than narrating.
I guess what I've learned from this video, is that rotten tomato scores are for how creative and unique a movie is, while the audience score is the overall liking people had for a film.
Perfect summary
A wonderful reviewer for me is Filmento, he is not just giving an opinion or calling out a mistake or mistep, but giving lessons and good analogies of what could you do if you want to do a movie, avoiding all the misteps, or narrative issues that many ones have
only problem with him is he doesnt really do reviews of movies still in cinemas so he doesnt then have much impact on what I watch. But i like his more retrospective deep dive style.
That man has the sexy voice too
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I liked him until he started trying to sell, for MONEY, a how-to book on something he himself has never actually done, that is make a movie. That took him from interesting and insightful to downright arrogant in my opinion. If he ever makes a movie and it breaks the box office, I will come back with apologies and tears for days, but until then, I don't think he should be encouraged in the belief that he somehow knows best when it comes to making movies.
Thank you for covering this! The review system has been so unreliable and it makes it impossible to be sure about how a movie really is…
It's so bad that a general rule of thumb is that if the Critics don't like a movie, it should be watched and vice versa
Better than Doug Walker. HA!
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I would say memes and social media is the best way to judge a movie
@@liamphibia Why, he watches the movies so you don't have to
The gap between seeing a movie as art and as an enterteiment will be forever present in popular culture, not only in movies but in anything ever made in general
But isn't art supposed to be entertainment in the first place?
@@dieptrieu6564 I think it spouse to be engaging draw you in and make you watch and the best way to do that is to be entertaining
@@dieptrieu6564 Oh boy, You are digging a 2000 years hole. Movies are in a special place because the craft needed to produce them can called art (like animation, acting, music etc etc) and at the same time have nothing of value to add, for example a movie like morbious; You can argue there is a lot of art involved yet is trash
@@danyosuna7276 And what value does sticking a banana to the wall add? Art is entertainment. It's just how it is. Someone like it someone don't. It doesn't need to have any value other than that
@@USSAnimeNCC- I mean at the core, every art entertaint someone. Either it the artist themselves or other
I loved the fact that you gave a shout out to YT reviewers, as that’s actually where I’ve gotten my critic perspective from for years now! Sometimes I don’t always agree with them, but I like getting the differing perspectives! Especially as a filmmaker myself (animation college major). Finding the right critics that speak to you but also might not always agree with you is a healthy way to engage with differing perspectives and criticism. It’s healthy to see different perspectives and why others might think that way, but also acknowledge that it being different from your perspective doesn’t make your opinion any less valid. It’s what I love about art, it’s all subjective at the end of the day.
Anyways, great video MatPat! I really appreciated all the points you made!
MatPat shouting out Dan Murrell was not something I expected but I'm happy to see it
One of my favourite movie and TV reviewers is a guy called Alex Myers. He does a whole range of things but mostly kids to teen films. He is really funny and engaging like matpat and I can not stop watching him. I would not say he does a real big deep dive into the movie or anything but it is worth checking out anyway =)
YESS another Alex Myers stan!!
Can confirm is good
Yeah, he good.
11:58 Fun fact: Turning Red isn’t the first (or last) time Disney talked about “That time of the month.” That honor actually goes to 1946’s The Story Of Menstruation. Yep, Disney was talking about lady parts all the way back in the 40’s.
What made me really like the Mario movie was hearing the kids in the audience cheer, gasp and laugh. Not many movies do that anymore
Reminds me of the theater reacting to Tobey in no way home, I never say anything or react loud to a movie but it was instinctive when I saw Tobey lol
I think my theater also had a lot of rowdy kids and their parents. A lot of laughter and "wow"s throughout.
my brother is over 40 years old. The first time I heard him giggle so many times over a movie is in the Super Mario movie, every time Lumalee appears.
It made me happy to hear my very serious brother laugh at the cinema
I saw this movie with my sister and we grew up with Mario as kids. Being different, knowing we both had an interest in the same material was refreshing, but I loved all her reactions like excited to see her favorite character Donkey Kong pop up, going "Aww" 😢 when Mario and Luigi got separated and "Aww" 🥲 when they reunited, and even telling Mario and Luigi to "Get the star! Get the star!" during the final battle. It was so awesome seeing my little sister by 2 years react like a kid again to video game characters we know. She even started humming the Bowser "Dudda-dudda-dudda" song to herself on the way home.
Mario Bros was the first movie my 5 year old sat all the way through, completely engrossed the entire time.
Puss n Boots was close, but a bit too much of a challenge in some regards.
And it packed more than enough nostalgia for me to smile and reminisce about. It was absolutely perfect for what it was.
Reel School - this guy knows his stuff and goes deep. He manages to get some behind the scenes info and even interviews people involved. He never built up much traction, but was my go-to film reviewer.
I just saw Mario in theatres today with my 2 young kids, the score had me nostalgic, and the kids had fun - I also managed to spot some easter eggs. Thumbs up all around.
The reasons you like him are the same reason he will never be allowed to get a meaningful following
High boi is honestly one of the most insightful and intelligent movie critic EVER. His takes are very interesting and mind blowing. Each of them just puts me in a new perspective every time. I'd rate that guy 7 peanut butter dog out of 11 weekly hospital trips
His reviews are always at the top of my list. I'd rate his content 9 jalapeños poppers out of 12 refreshing naps
I'd give him 6 do you yields out of 9 I do nots
I give High Boi 4 weeds out of 20 hours he is goated.
I'd give him 203 Tylenols out of 9 Penicillins.
6.................just a 6................could be a six out of 6 could be a 6 out of 100 you will never know
I love how MatPat can't just realize that the critics are paid
Corn Pop was a bad dude.
He's not a film reviewer but thank you for giving SkillUp some shine because personally I think he knows how to strip a game down to the boards and examine everything, and his Mario Bros movie review I thought was on point.
I saw one critic's review that princess Peach wasn't a boss girl enough and that the movie should've centered around her. 🤣
Just see what happened to the new Peter Pan movie, everyone hated it.
Yikes, they already chucked Luigi out of 90% of the movie so Peach could girlboss as much as possible. What more do they want in a movie that’s supposed to be about two brothers?
@@AbsentMinded619they love alot of changes
@@AbsentMinded619just sad
Yeah, take a whole game series based around Mario saving Peach and make her the main character and boss b*tch. Gotta love the wokeness.
@@musashiblade1512 stay sleeping, NPC, stay sleeping.
Love how Matpats intentionally didn't spoil anything I already saw the movie and it's amazing but it's just nice to see he didn't spoil it for anyone who hasn't
Sean Chandler is my personal favourite critic. I almost always agree with his scores and he makes videos on basically all the franchises I like, plus so much more. Top tier guy.
Happy 12M, Film Theory! I've been a fan of the channel since its first month launched (even before I know Game Theory existed!), and this is a massive milestone! Keep up the incredible work, Team Theorist!
Love Mario ❤
Love Mario ❤️
nice:D
Yahoo!
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12:19 okay but as someone who DEFINITELY isn't a critic, I liked that they touched on this idea in the movie! It's a coming of age movie, an allegory of a girl getting her first period and going through puberty, makes sense that the subject of periods and pads comes up. I think it's good for movies/TV shows to touch on something that every girl goes through at some point in their life. Maybe it's because I'm 22 now and periods are just another things going on in my life every month, but I don't get why people seemed so up in arms and angry about pads being mentioned. Periods are normal and natural thing for girls, and should be treated as such, especially when a girl has one for the first time, obviously.
Schaffrillas Productions is one of my favorite youtube channels of all time. He makes great movie reviews that are hilarious and provide perspective. Definitely recommend
He's the type of guy who will say "Yeah, Movie/Show is bad, I recommend watching it though" and that's why i like his reviews
@@Fatih_M177 Yeah
One thing I don’t hear in these discussions: Audiences only review movies they want to see. Every audience member who reviewed Mario is one who wanted to see a Mario movie enough to put their own money down. Maybe it was nostalgia. Maybe they were fans of the game. But they were invested in that property enough to spend $20 - $80 and a precious free evening to go. The audience members who balked at the idea of an Italian stereotype plumber kicking turtles didn’t see the movie, didn’t review the movie, and therefore aren’t counted in the audience score. Critics just have to go no matter how much they hate the idea.
Will all audiences love Fast and the Furious? No. But the Audience Score isn’t all audiences. It’s only those people who thought they would love it. The critic score actually is all critics including the ones that wouldn’t have bought a ticket in a million years.
Schaff is my go-to for any animated movie or literally anything that disney owns. I also used to watch 24 frames of Nick a lot and he does coverage of a lot more movies than schaff but he can be a little much. However i would recommend either of those channels.
Bruh, the Mario movie was the date night movie for the last date I went on, we both had a wonderful time and it was really fun getting each other's reactions, exchanging Easter eggs we noticed and just overall experiencing that wonderful movie together, totally recommend
awwww
:D
Cant say going to movies for dates are nice but ok
@@handsomesponge9952 Yes but if you go to a Mario movie and you date is in on the fun, then boy you have a high chance for a keeper.
@@SIPEROTH thats true, even if you dont get to know eachother in a movie date, mario is mario
@@handsomesponge9952 Not only that but if she had fun with that you at least know she is not a stuck-up of the type: "OMG, you took me to the cinema instead of an expensive restaurant and to see a stupid video game movie that you video game geeks like? What a looser!".
Not being of that type is already a pretty good start.
YES THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING DAN MURRELL!!! He’s without a doubt my favorite and one of the best critics today!
"I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying the truth" - Matpat
I love watching cinema therapy! They talk through plots and relationships and stuff in movies and it's fun to hear their opinions
Y’know I always wondered how these critic score disparities happen! But that 59% conspiracy idea is something else… 👀
I think in general critics try to rate how good a movie is while the audience rates based on how enjoyable it is.
It's like food, they judge it based on look, smell, taste, texture, a professional perspective while for us if its delicious its good enough
Then how is last Jedi that high?
@@kadenfuller8166 they are paid to do so. There are political incentives. As most business nowadays
I think you are sorta right, but there are plenty of good movies that are enjoyable that audiences don’t like. There are multiple aspects to enjoyability, critics enjoy quality films and aren’t going to be persuaded by just a movie made to be fun.
The recent Puss in Boots is an example of both where it is a fun all ages experience like Mario, but also has actual effort in the quality aspect. It’s a good example of why we shouldn’t be upset movies like Mario don’t get good critic scores, because there are movies that put in the effort and achieve both, and they should be rewarded for that
@@castielchieng7475 I think this only really applies to movies that are more of artsy films. Plenty of movies don’t fall into this category. Movies that critics don’t like but audiences love are like Junk food, the taste fine but they lack substance and their are tastier options that are actually good food. Critics like movies that actually put effort into more than just being a crowd pleaser.
I think people understand this a lot with music. Pop songs are very popular, but a lot of people will not recognize many of them as that great of songs but just catchy and easy to listen, with little substance.
Coming back a year later to thank Mat for helping me with college homework for theater. Keep up the good work, guys!
personally i really love Schaffrillas Productions. he is so funny, very real, and just reminds you of your everydsy guy who just has a deep passion for animation as a whole
FINALLY FOUND SOMEONE WHO MENTIONS SCHAFFRILLAS. I love that guy, his reviews are always so entertaining.
Crazy how a guy who started doing TH-cam poops is now a respected film critic.
Exactly and Schafrillas delivers it in an entertaining way as well
Superb
Shiny thumbs-up
As a movie theatre employee we were expecting this and so were our companies projections. Easily biggest of the year so far
The problem with "negative" reviews on Rotten Tomatoes is that it could also refer to mixed thoughts.
@@claragerew4659 i think you're a bot
Same with fresh reviews. A fresh review could be a 6/10 or B- and a rotten review could be a 5/10 or C+, even though these ratings all just mean it’s okay. That’s why it’s also good to look at the average rating because a movie with a 30% and a movie with an 80% could actually have a similar critical consensus.
I always try to look at a piece of media with one (well, two-in-one) main question: what is it trying to do and does it succeed? Even shoestring-budget found footage can be entertaining if a filmmaker knows this and leans into it. I thought The SMB Movie achieved what it was trying to do and was a fun time, and I was not disappointed
Very wise.
I think with Turning Red, it resonated more with a smaller audience, mainly like asians and teens that had roughly similar experiences or similar elements. I enjoyed it a lot but I'm definitely not surprised it didn't go very well for others.
I generally agree with that. And that is the problem, people vote things based on what their emotional reaction to it is.
I enjoyed Turning Red as a man myself from the viewpoint of having to find a way as a child to please your parent but find your own identity at the same time. And hearing my wife say what she related to or didn't in the movie was also fun.
But only some movies, like Avatar Way of Water, are written to have a wide appeal.
Even if you look at Top Gun Maverick, it did not do as well as other movies internationally because it is unapologetically American patriotism.
So movies have different audiences. I don't think I should say a My Little Pony movie is "trash" just because I am not the target audience.
@@johnathancooper5753 tbh having to please your parent sounds more abusive the more i think about it parents are so bad these days and i feel like the parenting system should be reworked entirely
as an asian saying turning red resonates with asians is kinda racist ngl like its such a cringy piece of trash of a movie that i find that statement kinda racist against me theres nothing asian about that movie except the main character being asian and the abusive parent that wants their child to be perfection rly the rest is just teen stuff and i find relating something as trash as turning red to my race kinda racist
@@iMandyVids This comment made my day XD
@@blitzwolfer4154 I’m scared for the younger half of Gen Z and the upcoming generation
When it comes to animated movies saberspark has got to be my favorite. He mentions all the important parts on the film like the animation, plot, voice acting and so on.
Me too!
Epic choice
I think you really hit the nail on the head with Chris, Jeremy, and Dan. I mostly watch Dan but I’ve also liked Chris and Jeremy’s reviews as well.
I want to personally thank MatPat because before this video I didn’t understand Rotton Tomatoes and the percentage systems but watching this video now I understand, MatPat truly is a teacher ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻
The reality of modern critics vs modern audiences is that critics are mainly just paid by major media to help push a narrative while audiences are usually just asking themselves " did I have fun and enjoy watching this movie"
No, it isn't.
@@alhena11 yes it is. It's been confirmed many times that many positive reviews are payed for.
Are ALL of them? probably not.
But trying to act like it's not a thing is just kissing the feet of Coporate Hollywood and acting willfully ignorant.
Again this isn't to say every positive critic score is payed for. But you can't pretend like it isn't a thing.
@@alhena11We have spotted the critic. You are only here to drive the conflict and get a rise out of people.
You say “push an agenda” like they’re trying to indoctrinate people. They’re just some dude who prolly writes reviews as a side job, gets paid to do it, and maybe writes an overly positive review bc he knows someone in the movie personally.
I figure it’s more “Is it fun” vs “Is it unique”
My favorite part was when matpat said “it’s reviewing time” and reviewed all over film theory
I was there. 🔥💀💀
Matpat breaking the Film Theory meta once again. I love this, it's like the multiverse of this channel.
he was kinda wrong with the nostalgia thing since no way home was so popular especially because of nostalgia.
My theory is that critics want a film to have a message that reaffirms their own beliefs about the world around them. Meanwhile the general audience wants to forget the world around them. That's why films that won't touch current events with a 10 foot pole tend to do better with audiences and worse with critics.
School of Rock kinda disproves this
Can’t believe he talked about the divide between critics and audience scores and didn’t mention cuties, by far the biggest divide in scores with critics scores being 87% and audiences being 15%,THATS A 72% DIFFERENCE, it’s also why I focus audience scores over critic scores ever since
what movie is that
@@joshthompson2535a movie about girls 8-10 shaking butts, yes that is literally the main point of it
@@joshthompson2535 If I remember correctly it was a movie about a childrens dance group competition. In it they had the girls dress….pretty bad. Not only that the dance moves were also sus. It was supposedly about female empowerment but came off as some pervs fantasy.
Nah, that Seth Rogan Santa Show was way worse
Oh and Netflix greenlit it and defended the movie saying everyone didn’t just understand it or something along those lines. While canceling shows that were way better.
Not going to lie, hearing Dan Murrell get some recognition was a delight. He’s done very well to break off from Screen Junkies and form his own channel. To your point of “find a critic who’s opinion usually aligns with your own and go with them,” Dan has been that for me a majority of the time. Well thought out remarks towards what he likes as well as criticisms from someone who is passionate about film.
Right? That was awesome. And yeah, couldnt agree more.
always the most reasonable one on movie fights, IF U REMEMbER THAT.
@@gaylosbernandez579 I miss Movie Fights a lot. I was a long time watcher of everything they did and even paid for Screen Junkies Plus. ‘Member that?
The movie industry has been that way since a long time. It’s only now we just realized that.
Such is the Blessing and Curse of the Internet. The internet didn't make us weirder or more evil, it simply made exposing said weirdness and malice much easier to do.
Only now we have realized???
Nah man I already got that down pat
We?
Pointless statement. No one ever put a timeframe on when the industry fell apart. Just that a veil was pulled and people are enlightened now
What do you mean it's only now? It's been "realized" for quite a while.
Even people who are perfectionists, tend to be a bit of a critic, while also trying to make something perfect. I tend to be a bit of a perfectionist; but I also understand that not EVERYTHING has to a perfect film or adaptation.
Amanda The Jedi is my fave movie critic. I love her breakdowns and her in depth loos into why she did or didn't like a movie. I don't always agree with her, but I love hearing her opinion. And because of her, I've looked into a lot more movies that I would have otherwise overlooked.
She's so great, I love her tv series reviews
I don't even remember how I stumbled upon Amanda the Jedi but the first video of her's I watch was for some show I absolutely hated and I got a good laugh on her take about it... Nowadays TH-cam wants to show me everybody but her who I'm actually subscribed to.
One point you might have missed is the audience sometimes has a protest vote (The Last Jedi) or an ironic comedy vote (Morbius) which can skew things even further.
Review bombing?
The last jedi wasn't really a protest vote. Negative review bombing tends to be fixed or confirmed after a year or so. See Sonic going back up after bombing or she hulk going down then up then back down after the finale.
@Jacob Campbell who mentioned the last jedi? That's just one example among many.
The Last Jedi's audience score accurately depicts what the actual movie was like: Non-lore conforming, unexplainable, dumb, political-siding, awful characterisation, twists made for twist shock value etc. The critics and Hollywood went downhill since then!
@@NG-gy6iv The OP mentioned The Last Jedi.
When I went to see the Mario Movie with my boyfriend, you saw people of all ages. There were children a few down from us who would get excited as well as really get into the movie. Normally people talking during a move would make me angry, but this instance it didnt. I was able to see the excitement a child felt for this movie, that I had felt for the games when I was a kid. That to me was the point, to introduce the younger generation to enjoyment we had as kids.
Honestly, have to say the same. During the Peach blue dress scene, I heard a little kid say, "oh my gosh she's so pretty!" and I just thought it was adorable.
Schaffrilas is a yt movie critic that i recommend, hes very fun but knows what he likes and why and has good explanations to back up his opinions
I loved the Mario movie. Was totally worth seeing in theaters
-I pirated it though-
peach was kinda lookin thicc 0_0
Yeah same
@@Scytho2 Ayo?
Yes
I mean, you really can't go wrong with Schafrillas productions, he's really funny and gives his opinions on a LOT of things, like videogames, movies, musicals, etc.
I've been looking for this comment
Yeah, I know right.😃
Schafrillas for the win!
Not only does he give an opinion but he also states why he came to that option and is willing to state whether it's biased or not.
Schaff is good, but I do remember absolute hating his review of Turning Red. He really missed the mark on that one. Other than that, I enjoy his videos, especially the ones where he ranks films.
ScraffrillasProductions is likely one of the only movie critics I actually watch and enjoy, mostly because of the editing style just pulls you in. He's passionate for a lot of things, and he isn't afraid to point out BIG MISTAKEs if they don't gel well with him. He's the guy with the glowing coconut crab profile picture.
I second this! And I hope he is doing well with his… recent tragedies
I miss Patrick… I can’t believe he had to go before watching The Owl House finale
Same I think their really good to watch!
@@MAX-xd4uz What happened to him?
@@polelix1023 he lost his friend and brother in a car accident about a month ago
^^^^
Audience reactions are my favorite reason to go to movies in theaters. When someone screams at a jumpscare *chef's kiss*
MatPat: “Classics like Lord of the Rings, Gladiator, and The Matrix”
My Dad from across the room: “I’m so old! Aghhh!”
What matters is what the audience thinks, if you make a movie for the fans, it will make money.
That’s exactly what the Super Mario Bros. Movie did.
Tell that to those who rated dreck like The Rise of Skywalker, Jurassic World: Dominion, or Batman v Superman.
But fans aren't the only audience, this is a movie which is going to get attention from non-fans extensively.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 exactly
@@Dragoonsoul7878 Mario fans don’t seem to understand this. They get mad when people point out their nostalgia isn’t everyone’s nostalgia. A film critic who doesn’t play Mario isn’t getting anything interesting or fresh out of the Mario movie. It’s a pretty generic movie when you actually look at it as a movie first and a mario product second.
There's one issue: Audience scores are naturally going to be biased. You usually wouldn't go watch a movie unless there's at least some minimal passing interest in it, whereas critics has to do it cause job.
Though honestly it's also just as likely because critics aren't quite getting the movie, having a fixed opinion on what movies should be.
i massively disagree with this take, u sir make no sense imho.
@@MonographicSingleheaded What part makes no sense? The first part is a logical inference and the second part is an informed speculation, neither of which claim to be the entire answer so... I'm confused as to what part doesn't quite make sense to you.
Honestly, I feel its better that way. Sure “bias” exists but as a system to decide wether a movie is enjoyable, a person who is interested and involved is exactly what we want.
The audience liking a movie made for that audience is what the standard should be. They are going to know what they like and unless you yourself are a big critic, your opinions are probably going to match closer to to the audience scores because you are the audience.
Critics are biased
Critics have to see movies as a job. A joke might get made in ten different movies, in the same year, and you would never know, but critics will know AND BE PISSED.
I really hope that this will be the case with Elemental. I’m really excited for the movie, and I want it to succeed. The critics saw the film at the end of a very prestigious film festival, so it’s natural for it to be deemed not as high by default in my opinion. So hopefully it does well!
Elemental…. so cookie-cutter it hurts.
Wow, Ratatouille really did portray what a modern critic is like and how you lose the joy and love of why you became a critic in the first place.
To their credit, they also did show that a balance can be struck. The critic who first orders the soup that sets everything in play. She wasn't even a tiny focus, but she clearly had enough love for food to still hope Gusteau's to hope it was good again and humble enough to say, "Yes! It is good despite what I thought!"
In short, it hit both sides of professional criticism quite well, even it the focus was only on one side of it.
I really wouldn't say they lost the love. It's just that what they love is a movie that surprises, impresses or provokes them in interesting ways. Mindless action loses its shine after the 900th time, and it's definitely hard looking past that. Personally I got that with anime, with the tropes that I see in every other anime getting on my nerves so much by this point I go into watching one of them and almost mentally check out whenever they appear. Repetition and monotony is the death of passion, and for critics that have to watch so, so many movies when compared to the average audience member, it makes sense why they want something more than pretty explosions and a wafer thin plot.
I’m a big fan of Schafrillas Productions. He gives very interesting takes on mostly animated movies, and he’s also pretty funny.
The Little Platoon is a great movie reviewer. He does really in depth reviews on bad movies and often gets into the nitty gritty of how and why they failed and what they could've done instead. He's been instrumental in my ability to write better stories
If you like him I’m sure you’ll also enjoy guys like MauLer and Madvocate
@@ghostbased332 Oooo, I'll check them out
Fun fact: my dad opted to watch this over freaking Across the Spiderverse. ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE. Apparently, he hated the first one (????how????)
i cannot sing Schaffrillias Productions enough praises as a media review, he’s so incredibly insightful
He's like the worst youtuber essay man out there.
Bros just a hater
He's reeeeeallly smug
Yeah shaffrillias is so good
@@georgeliquor1236bro has never watched Schaffrillas before. He’s incredibly insightful and is good at justifying.
I have watched Welcome to the Basement on TH-cam since it’s first episode 12 years ago. I shed a tear when long time cohost Craig recently said he was taking a step back. I’ll always be thankful for the show and I’m looking forward to Matt’s new chapter. The best soft commentary and comedy about movies.
THE MARIO MOVIE WAS 8 MONTHS AGO?!!??!?!
This is why I just watch individual reviewers who have a track record of liking what I like. I really kinda keep forgetting Rotten Tomatoes exists until someone brings it up.
This is an amazing take and should be shown to everyone to help people understand the scope and scale of these media moguls, as well as their motives and tactics!
I like Amanda the Jedi, Saberspark, and Alex Meyers.
They’re entertaining, do good overviews, and I usually like the different levels they dive to for each movie.
I really like Amanda too! Her content is always interesting and helpful
Schaferillas is pretty good too
Yes to Amanda! I love her stuff
Fav top critics: Red Letter Media, Double Toasted. They know comedy and funny is half the battle. 🌠
I’m glad a video like this exists. I think it’s important to remember that opinions are just opinions, and we should understand what exactly is being said. We can use them to create an informed conclusion on a piece of media, but understand it’s alright and shouldn’t get upset if they come to different conclusions themselves
I think the best way to take rotten tomatoes's reviews is considering they are evaluating two separate thing : a plot score (critics), and a film score (community), and then choosing depending on what is your intention when watching a movie
The two most recent Jumagi films were rated well by ordinary people and when I saw them, everyone in the theature was a mouth breather and nothing happened for all of both films.
Be very wary of seeing a film critics hate.
"A plot score" XD XD XD XD
tell me how The Last Jedi has "a good plot score" when it's plot literally revolves around "the one factor that made this entire universe, no longer applies"
how do you rate "a good plot" a plot that takes the entire universe that it is working with, off of, in, and around, and throws it out the window not for the sake of rebooting the franchise, but for the sake of *continuing it through the eyes of new writers?*
that's what Last Jedi did: they tried to get rid of Anakin's development AND legacy, to continue the narrative under the premise of "you can now be whatever your want without development... just wish it and it will be so"
I was surprised to see uncut gems have such a poor score since I've only really seen people say they like it so I went to have a look at some audience reviews. Majority of the negative reviews were just about the movie swearing too much which I never thought there was that large an audience of people who dont like swearing enough to make them hate a movie
I thought the same as you.
I'm one of the people who dislike things that have too much swearing in them. I sometimes won't even watch the entire thing because the swearing is too much for me. The thing is, I don't like cuss words and I also find an excessive use of them as a sign of a weak vocabulary. They have over a thousand words to choose from and they choose to use the same handful of cuss words over and over again.
@@33pandagamer That's fair, but this IS a film about gambling addicts. They aren't supposed to be the most literate speakers. Not every film needs to have a Sorkin dialogue.
My man did not just call Kung fu panda “children’s fodder”
It's frustrating how the main critics I listen to are available only on Rotten Tomatoes because of Metacritic's inability to recognize obscure publishers.
Here's one approach: Scale reviewer scores based on how close they are to the target audience of the movie.
If the movies are tagged well enough, you can use that to calculate how much each critic likes a certain genre/tag in general. That can then be used to scale their vote in the overall rating. Someone who gives pretty much all action movies a bad rating won't play much into another action movie, while someone who generally loves romance will be weighted stronger on romantic movies.
So if the action hater suddenly decides this action movie is a new and refreshing take on a genre they usually dislike, that won't over-inflate the score for people who want an average action movie. And if the romance lover is very disappointed with a romantic movie, that will weigh in more heavily because that's a genre they care about.
Could probably display an "average rating for similar movies" next to their review as well to show their overall stance.
That would add the "At The Movies" factor back, of context for experience with certain genres.
And if you want to go further, they could offer official critic positions to audience accounts with enough "training data" to scale them well.
At that point just watch the movie. No one about to do a day's research just to decide if a movie is okay
I think it’s also important to view the numbers used in RT scores not as grades (90+ is an A, 89-80 is a B, etc.) but rather as probability scores (a movie with a 50% score means whether you like it or not will be like a coin toss). Not to mention RT removes a LOT of nuance of the critics opinions down to a binary system of Rotten/Fresh. There’s no “Perfectly Ripe” or “Slightly Spoiled” rating, so both mild and extreme reactions are given the same value.
I went to see the Mario movie with my brother and cousin and a good 98% of the audience was adults. I think the movie was made with both children and the adults who grew up with Mario, I think that’s why it was so well received. It was great, the entire audience started singing along to the DK song XD
Not really a movie review channel but the channel Cinema Therapy always has really good conversations on movies. Also for more review type movies Sapersparks and Cellspex are great
One of the writer's of this episode, Bob Chipman, I turn to for reviews as he has both a background in games and films media so he shares a similar mindset to me and other reviewers I watch. Plus seeing an episode about critics and seeing him as a writing credit brings a smile to my face.