I heard that one of the women who played a Cardassian on DS9 would on break stand near the road where school busses would pass by so she could scare the children on the bus. I have a feeling that actress was her. Addendum: I was right, it was Tracy Scoggins, the actress who played Gilora Rejal in this scene.
I like the depth that they gave the Cardassians and that they make individuals actual individuals rather than that they're absolutely all a race defined by a single trait.
It's been said by the writers that the development the Cardassians got in DS9 was supposed to happen in TNG since they were they big bad for the early seasons only to joined and mostly replaced by the Romulans.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich While you are correct, the Ferengi were replaced by the Cardassians due to TNG being set not long after the Federation-Cardassian war that ended in 2366.
@DarkLordDiablos the Cardassians were not a part of the original story treatment. They appear in 2367 for what would have been a one off appearance. It's when the Bajorans are introduced that they got chosen to be the antagonists for the episode (originally it was going to be Romulans) In-universe, they're a second rate power at the time, and are relevant, but out of universe, they weren't conceived until season 4.
"Starfleet code requires a SECOND backup?" Miles: "Lady have you seen this show? I go off to take a crap and half the station just shorts out when I'm not around. We might even need a third back up"
Keiko: here eat food i replicated (smiles and smirks) O'Brian: I home made this food my mother used to make me. Keiko: ughhh pass She was always just a massive.... Jeremy Hunt.
"I'm not remotely interested in you" - lol, gotta love how O'Brien shoved his whole foot in his mouth with that one haha. Should have just stuck with "I'm married. I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding" and left it at that.
There are two interesting insights into Cardassian culture here: Firstly, we know from, "Duet" that there's the simile, "weeping like a woman" among Cardassians implying that Cardassian culture does have notions of masculinity that're more dispassionate and martinet as opposed to femininity which is more passionate and disordered. Here it's said that Cardassian women dominate the sciences; we see overtly military/political positions on Cardassian society disproportionately dominated by men. It kind of points to an undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in the Empire compared to emphasis on seeking dominion over others. Secondly, we know Cardassian society is very corporatist if not outright fascist. Dissent is carefully managed on all levels. Rocking the boat comes with sociopolitical reprisals due to constant surveillance and social judgement. Outright irritation and belligerence indicates a loss of composure and a certain level of trust with whomever one flirts. It's very Neo-Confucian in many ways, socialization is based on repression and intimacy is defined by even antagonistic language because it's at least some form of passion. I love it when Star Trek deals with cultural anthropology, what biocultural constants there are and what biocultural patchwork is varied by species.
Corporatist? "If not outright fascist"? You realize that they were literally written at first to be Space-Nazis right? You'd have to be simple to not notice the parallels between how Cardassia treated Bajor and how the Nazis treated the Jews. Never once in DS9 are we given any indication that Cardassia even has a Business sector. Hell they're even more Fascist than the Nazis were because at least Hitler was elected. If you're going to shit on Capitalism at least mention the Ferengi.
>we know Cardassian society is very corporatist if not outright fascist. more like very authoritarian, by the standards of the Federation; whether or not Cardassia still has an economy based on the exchange of currency remains to be seen.
I love this, it touches on something that Star Trek rarely breaches. Inter-species relations. You would think you'd see more of this, especially with TNG's Counselor.
As a propulsion engineer i relate to O'brien, and this scene is waaaaay too much for me, it will forever haunt my dreams that i will never find a Cardassian engineer like her to keep me warm at night. She not only would put up with my frustration at tech but take it as flirting... You married too soon O'Brien, too soon.
Not sure they'd keep you warm. Cardassians are shown to thrive in much warmer temperatures so don't need to generate as much body heat, and are sometimes even suggested to be cold blooded. If you don't mind an electric blanket though, a hypothetical cardassian partner would likely be extremely happy.
@@jessihawkins9116 so does the actor for Garak lol. Look up Andrew Robinson talking about Garak’s sexuality. He deliberately played him to be attracted to Bashir
Everything we saw between Miles and Keiko revealed the two to have very little in common. She was even away for extended periods of time because her professional interests had no relevance to being on a remote space station. It would've been more realistic if the two separated on amicable terms and we got to see Miles hook up with someone like this Cardassian engineer who shared similar interests as he did. Given O'Brien's history of mistrust of Cardies, it would've been especially rewarding to see an arc based with this woman.
If they had gotten together can you imagine the storylines that could have sprung up during the Dominion War? Her having very mixed loyalties, not being trusted, perhaps even hurting Miles's career.
There's no such thing as getting separated on an amicable terms when you have kids, despite what you've heard. You don't know how that's going to affect them, and things would have to be pretty bad in the relationship for a broken home to be the better scenario.
Yeah...Keiko was annoying as hell...On TNG it was OK,but during DS9...i never really got why she entirely refused to teach about bajoran religion..i mean,science AND religion work rather decently in most countries on earth...But at that point she did not know that Sisco is pretty literally space jesus...@@renerpho
@@NashmanNashRemember, Trek tended to be a narrative about moral and ethical dilemmas in real life. The debate of teaching religion in schools, or even a certain political ideology, is still an ongoing debate. But it is largely believed it is unethical to teach a specific religion to students as it could be considered proselytism. It was in the history of many colonizing nations to introduce their religion to other cultures as a means of assimilation. Imagine the outrage if they started teaching about Islam in public schools.
@@roadkillz78 I dont know where you are from,but in germany the islam and judaism are usually part of public schools schedules..just the most vital basics of course,the prime focus still being christianity Also..wasnt Keikos class made up mostly of bajoran kids anyway?
I have to say that is some really damn fine acting on her part. She knew how to look and act so... forward, intimate, hopelessly so, and yet she also did it balanced right between alluring and comedic. Just great acting.
@@MDE_never_dies Andrew Robinson who played Garak confirmed as much in the DS9 Doc What We Left Behind. To paraphrase 'at first he just wanted to have sex with him, come to my shop I've got some clothes you can try on' The network would have outright refused to show queer representation in the early 90s to avoid any potential pearl clutching from viewers and any possible backlash as a result. Therefore the writers had to tone it down and instead used subtext to hint at Garak's sexuality to get it past the network censors. The episode 'Rejoined' in series 4 concerning Jadzia Dax's sexuality was much more overt in this regard and was a watershed moment for the show. Up until this point DS9 had avoided social commentary on homosexuality due to again network concerns over potential backlash
There's a certain bizarre, Bittersweet irony that a man who hates Kardashians so deeply has somehow messed her the heart of flirting with them so shamelessly. I dictated the word "Cardassians" to my tablet,but it autocorrected my spelling and I really don't have the heart to change it.
You could say that the reason Dukat often found more happiness in the arms of Bajoran women was because while he is turned on by verbal by aggressive verbal sparring, his delusion of grandeur and hero complex forces him also desire more submissive women.
I've always enjoyed that while Bashir is constantly chasing after some woman with little success, there are others practically throwing themselves at The Chief.
@@literallyanangrymoose7717 I don't know man scaly and leathery skin on that part of her, not to mention they may have a cloaca. But you do you bu as they say.
Kinda interesting. It's implying that if a cardassian male is showing interest in you, he does it by acting aggressive and domeneeering, and it seemed like she fell into line and became submissive. So, if a cardassian *wants* you, it's a possessive ownership sort of love, vs acting friendly and less controlling meaning that they don't care about you as much. And thusly, showing disinterest/ambiance is actually a very direct way of showing a lack of interest, as opposed to humans who are a little less militaristic in their passions.
Love and hate are often cited as being both sides of the same coin due to the passion and attention that both require. Cardassians seem to take this concept to heart. Gul Dukat, arrogant even by his own species' standards, nevertheless would not accept that Sisko genuinely loathed him: he only ever interpreted the grudging respect that Sisko was all but forced to acknowledge as being expressed through Sisko's hatred and adversarial confrontations as opposed to buried deep, deep within it. This, along with the video, give us a much clearer perspective on his relationship with Kira from his side also. The only times he's genuinely angry to the degree that he loses his composure is when he is looked down upon or outright ignored by someone he doesn't consider an equal or superior. I like that each species has a psychology that each persona based on it has to at least roughly abide by. Gods I miss such writing now!
Imagine how awesome this story couldv'e been- miles who hates cardassians, ends up marrying one, with similar interests no less. Always fighting, but fiercely devoted. The conflicts of having a cardassian wife and kid(s) on a station full of vengeful bajorans, molly's interactions with half cardassian siblings. Keiko killed off and never spoken of again.. man it all could've been so good.
I'd rather have Keiko alive. That way she can cope with seeing Miles with a woman that actually appreciates him and ask herself where did she go wrong.
@@darkcoeficient Keeping Keiko on the station or on Bajor was limiting; she's a botanist and they'd just discovered a whole new quadrant. She should have been going through the wormhole on a regular basis to pursue her career and catalog new plant species.
@@nicholassmith7984Ahha got it. Keiko is presumed dead, Miles morns and eventually moves on and this new relationship blossoms. And then it turns out Keiko's not dead. Yet another chapter in _"Miles must suffer"._ Or Keiko finds out about Miles new relationship first and decides not to announce that she's alive - but that wouldn't work because of Molly. So either a big decision for Miles, or Keiko has someone new as well - she was marooned in time with someone and they thought they both would never get back.
Deep Space 9 did a great job at deepening the concepts and cultures of alien species. The Ferengi, Cardassians, Bajorians, and Trill and even Klingons benefitted from a wider understanding of cultures, histories and personalities outside the expected norms. In this episode, this was an underatandable fuckup on the Cardassian's part. O'Brian is used to being around multiple cultures and having to deal with them...but she isn't. Cardassian is both expansionist and isolationist, meaning they don't often interact with those outside their species. O'Brian didn't react to her advances because he was assuming this was just her being "her", while she assumed he was interested because this was the norm for males on her world...and forgot he was human until he pointed it out.
'I assure you I am- quite fertile. I could provide you with many healthy children if- if that's your concern but quite frankly I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself' Write that down in your notebooks ladies _write that down it will be on the quiz later_
They would've had a lot more shared interests in engineering systems. Everything we saw between Miles and Keiko revealed they had very little in common.
@@rh906 Andrew Robinson and Alexander Siddig both endorse it - they even did an audio reading of Garak/Bashir fanfic. Andrew Robinson even said he played Garak as not straight from day one.
Miles is an old soldier with battle-inspired racism towards her species. And somehow, due to an epic case of cross-cultural misunderstanding, that combines with his technical skills to translate into a panty-erasing rizz that we mere mortals can only dream about.
From what I can gather, Cardassian courtship is based on dominance to an extent but also a back and forth, a battle of wits or at least who can talk the other one down first. Arousal comes from confidence and agreeableness even in a platonic atmosphere. Lol, man why on earth Cardassian soldiers pursued Bajoran women instead of just engaging in recreational hoo haa with lady soldiers is beyond me.
This doesn't seem that much different from how it works on earth. She was shit-testing O'Brien, to see if he would put up with her shit. When he was confident, firm but not mean, her ovaries began to tingle.
No matter how thick the make up and prosthetics, you could always recognize Tracy Scoggins' face. She has that distinctive bone structure and eyeshape that stands out.
COMPUTER: Partial field established. Instability at 12% O'BRIEN: *Partial* field? Is station's inertial mass low enough to break orbit? COMPUTER: Procedure is *not* recommended. O'BRIEN: *Damn it,* I didn't *ASK for an opinion.* Just tell me whether or not we can get enough thrust with only a partial field established. COMPUTER: Affirmative. O'BRIEN: All right. *Thank you.* Initiate transit mode, three-axis stabilisation. CREWMAN: Aye, sir. O'BRIEN: Engage thrusters. COMPUTER: *Warning.* Field integrity declining. Instability at twenty one percent. O'BRIEN: We've got to close that gap in the field or we'll tear ourselves into a million pieces. COMPUTER: *Warning* - Subspace field collapse in sixty seconds. O'BRIEN: *Computer,* transfer energy from the inertial dampers to reinforce the subspace field. COMPUTER: Procedure is *not* recommended. O'BRIEN: Damn it, *transfer the energy!* COMPUTER: *Unable to comply.*Level one safety protocols have *cancelled request.* O'BRIEN: *Cancelled?* COMPUTER: *Warning* - Subspace field collapse in 30 seconds. O'BRIEN: I'm going to transfer it *manually.* On my mark, redirect the flow to the deflectors. Keep the power balanced. CREWMAN: Aye, sir. COMPUTER: Field collapse in 15 seconds. O'BRIEN: *Now.* COMPUTER: Field energy now within flight tolerances. CREWWOMAN: Good work, sir. O'BRIEN: *Computer,* You and I have to have a little *talk* ….
wow, so if you want to flirt with a cardassian girl, just argue with her. I get the funny feeling that whoever wrote this, was thinking about red-headed girls at the time
I can't believe that there are no good fanfics regarding these two. I've read a really good one where Jadzia Dax and Sisko briefly entered a secret relationship after he came back from the mirror universe, and it was so surprisingly good that I like to pretend it's canon (it doesn't directly contradict anything, it's like a fun addition). Now, O'Brien breaking up with Keiko and ending up with a hot Cardassian.....I want that alternate reality.
That's exactly how we'd dew it on a boat, always have a spare of a spare And if the spare of the spare became the spare, make sure the ex spare of a spare (now just a spare) has a spare too Botten line, always have more then one back up. I's just a matter of time
All this time O'briens been shouting "Fuck Cardassians!" to then be so flabbergasted when one finally takes up the offer,
As Cardassians go, I'd hit it
This piece of information really reveals much about their culture, especially the relationship between Dukat and Kira, at least from Dukat's end.
You're very right, but it also makes me wonder about all the arguments between Dukat and Sisko.
@@atomiclena128
"We're old friends right Sisko?"
"NO!"
"Ah....so more than friends."
I'm gonna go kill myself now.
@@atomiclena128 and the fail relationship between of Damar and Weyoun(s).
*cough cough* Garek and Bashir.
@@atomiclena128 Never thought of it that way, interesting.
I heard that one of the women who played a Cardassian on DS9 would on break stand near the road where school busses would pass by so she could scare the children on the bus. I have a feeling that actress was her.
Addendum: I was right, it was Tracy Scoggins, the actress who played Gilora Rejal in this scene.
Babylon 5 Tracy Scoggins,? Wow.....
Why did you think it was her before actually looking it up??
@@lewstone5430 probably only so many actresses to play Cardassians and well known at that.
Either way, he’s still a slayer of Cardies.
@@Enkarashaddam Slimy Spoonheads
@@Enkarashaddam I see what you did there
certainly you mean, a layer of Cardies?
I'll show my self out!
@@woodwyrm wait, I don’t get it
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 he almost gets laid with the female cardie engineer here
Gilora: "You have very steady hands."
O'Brien: "Well, they get the job done I guess."
Me: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Paul Lynde: I'm sure they do!
Yeah, they do, O'Brien. You old so and so. Show her what the humans are made of!
"Steady as a rock"
"Yea, but I shoot with this one."
I'd like to Imagine Sisko in the wormhole looking back over DS9s history. And then stumbling upon this little moment for O'Brian.
I like the depth that they gave the Cardassians and that they make individuals actual individuals rather than that they're absolutely all a race defined by a single trait.
It's been said by the writers that the development the Cardassians got in DS9 was supposed to happen in TNG since they were they big bad for the early seasons only to joined and mostly replaced by the Romulans.
@@DarkLordDiablos I think you're thinking of the Ferengi in early TNG. They were intended to be the big bad, but were more annoying than anything
@@thegreenmanofnorwich While you are correct, the Ferengi were replaced by the Cardassians due to TNG being set not long after the Federation-Cardassian war that ended in 2366.
@DarkLordDiablos the Cardassians were not a part of the original story treatment. They appear in 2367 for what would have been a one off appearance. It's when the Bajorans are introduced that they got chosen to be the antagonists for the episode (originally it was going to be Romulans)
In-universe, they're a second rate power at the time, and are relevant, but out of universe, they weren't conceived until season 4.
Yep. They are way way way more fleshed out than any of the well known pop culture races, even the Klingons.
"Starfleet code requires a SECOND backup?"
Miles: "Lady have you seen this show? I go off to take a crap and half the station just shorts out when I'm not around. We might even need a third back up"
If "irritability" is flirting to Cardassians, then a shuttle full of Irish people would take over Cardassia in about a month.
Poland would do it in two weeks
mexico can do it in 2 and half weeks tops ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ (FACTS)
😆lol
I would pay good money to see that! XD
Give us whiskey and we would conquer Cardassia 😂
"Miles no Baka!"
-Akane the Cardassian.
Omae lel
2:10 The thirst is real! 😂😂😂
Something dropped and it wasn't a microphone.
As Pam from Archer would say: sploosh!😄
man, that perfect bump on the head that, even if it was scripted, was just so freaking perfectly done.
In retrospect and in somewhat irony, she seemed to have more chemistry with him than Keiko... When she first got the hots, I laughed way too hard.
Everyone had more chemistry with him than Keiko.
Not that Keiko was a bad character; they just didn't seem to connect as a couple.
Keiko: here eat food i replicated (smiles and smirks)
O'Brian: I home made this food my mother used to make me. Keiko: ughhh pass
She was always just a massive.... Jeremy Hunt.
Keiko turned into an awful wife and character. I truly hated her by the end. It's sad he didn't have a good romantic connection to anyone.
@@_vortech_ not in my experience. I'm sorry you've had a bad run.
@_vortech_ then she very much sounds like the opposite of Keiko, who grew selfish, hateful, abusive and destructive.
"I'm not remotely interested in you" - lol, gotta love how O'Brien shoved his whole foot in his mouth with that one haha. Should have just stuck with "I'm married. I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding" and left it at that.
There are two interesting insights into Cardassian culture here:
Firstly, we know from, "Duet" that there's the simile, "weeping like a woman" among Cardassians implying that Cardassian culture does have notions of masculinity that're more dispassionate and martinet as opposed to femininity which is more passionate and disordered. Here it's said that Cardassian women dominate the sciences; we see overtly military/political positions on Cardassian society disproportionately dominated by men. It kind of points to an undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in the Empire compared to emphasis on seeking dominion over others.
Secondly, we know Cardassian society is very corporatist if not outright fascist. Dissent is carefully managed on all levels. Rocking the boat comes with sociopolitical reprisals due to constant surveillance and social judgement. Outright irritation and belligerence indicates a loss of composure and a certain level of trust with whomever one flirts. It's very Neo-Confucian in many ways, socialization is based on repression and intimacy is defined by even antagonistic language because it's at least some form of passion.
I love it when Star Trek deals with cultural anthropology, what biocultural constants there are and what biocultural patchwork is varied by species.
you have shown me i that i have an interest in cultural anthropology among other things. thank you very much for what you have shared
Corporatist? "If not outright fascist"?
You realize that they were literally written at first to be Space-Nazis right? You'd have to be simple to not notice the parallels between how Cardassia treated Bajor and how the Nazis treated the Jews.
Never once in DS9 are we given any indication that Cardassia even has a Business sector. Hell they're even more Fascist than the Nazis were because at least Hitler was elected. If you're going to shit on Capitalism at least mention the Ferengi.
I've been wondering a lot about Cardassian society lately - thank you for such an insightful comment. :)
>we know Cardassian society is very corporatist if not outright fascist.
more like very authoritarian, by the standards of the Federation; whether or not Cardassia still has an economy based on the exchange of currency remains to be seen.
I love this, it touches on something that Star Trek rarely breaches. Inter-species relations. You would think you'd see more of this, especially with TNG's Counselor.
I lost count of how many times Troi fell for some new alien that just got introduced
They should've kept going with Quark & Grilka after that mating episode and have them remarried eventually. They were a very interesting pairing
As a propulsion engineer i relate to O'brien, and this scene is waaaaay too much for me, it will forever haunt my dreams that i will never find a Cardassian engineer like her to keep me warm at night. She not only would put up with my frustration at tech but take it as flirting... You married too soon O'Brien, too soon.
Cardassians are semi-reptilians. YOU would need to warm ur Cardassian gf, if you had one ;)
@@ralphrestubog5519 Well said my friend
I think they would have made a fun couple for sure.
I mean, its not like Miles hasn't lived with multiple women before. If he can survive Kira after all...
Not sure they'd keep you warm. Cardassians are shown to thrive in much warmer temperatures so don't need to generate as much body heat, and are sometimes even suggested to be cold blooded. If you don't mind an electric blanket though, a hypothetical cardassian partner would likely be extremely happy.
I like to think she lied about this being normal for Cardassians and that she’s just socially awkward
Gul Dukat interactions with Kira show that she tells the truth.
@@Silverswitch1plus Garak’s and Bashir’s (though almost certainly unintentionally lol)
Slightly. I think she was on some base for a year and was craving Irish Stew. Sexiest Cardassian I ever saw.
@@lavenderhumanare you saying he wants to pork bashir? 🤨
@@jessihawkins9116 so does the actor for Garak lol. Look up Andrew Robinson talking about Garak’s sexuality. He deliberately played him to be attracted to Bashir
I always laugh at the scenes when O'Brien is freaked and gets that high pitched voice at 3:41 🤣
My fave is 2:25 when it looks like she almost bites him 😂
I dig it, honestly. It's like the intellectual equivalent of how Worf and Jadzia spar with Bat'leths.
He could have gotten himself some hot young SPOONTANG right there in the maintenance tunnel if he'd played his cards right.
I see what you did there 🤣
Spoontang?
SPOONTANG😂😂! I feel like that would actually be the slang for it!!
Hot Cardassian or Keiko nagging and nagging and nagging...
@@jadendafingerit’s a portmanteau of Poontang and ‘Spoonies’ after the spoon-shape on the Cardassian forehead
This was a hilarious scene! It's nice to see Cardassians getting along with Starfleet...
Let alone a Starfleet officer who was a survivor of the war with the Cardassians!
Cross-cultural misunderstanding...
Miles almost got him some Cardy cloaca.
Thank you for the worst two words I have seen this week.
"Cardy Cloaca" is one of Quark's most interesting holodeck programs...
@@jc441-i3q It's not cheating if it's the Holo Suite. 😌🖖🏿
@@jc441-i3qIt's no "Vulcan Love Slave Part II", but it'll do in a pinch, I suppose.
Everything we saw between Miles and Keiko revealed the two to have very little in common. She was even away for extended periods of time because her professional interests had no relevance to being on a remote space station. It would've been more realistic if the two separated on amicable terms and we got to see Miles hook up with someone like this Cardassian engineer who shared similar interests as he did. Given O'Brien's history of mistrust of Cardies, it would've been especially rewarding to see an arc based with this woman.
If they had gotten together can you imagine the storylines that could have sprung up during the Dominion War? Her having very mixed loyalties, not being trusted, perhaps even hurting Miles's career.
@@matts1166mind blown. Of course I can imagine it 😮
There's no such thing as getting separated on an amicable terms when you have kids, despite what you've heard. You don't know how that's going to affect them, and things would have to be pretty bad in the relationship for a broken home to be the better scenario.
I know he is happily married but I wish these got together.
For some definition of "happily married"...
Yeah...Keiko was annoying as hell...On TNG it was OK,but during DS9...i never really got why she entirely refused to teach about bajoran religion..i mean,science AND religion work rather decently in most countries on earth...But at that point she did not know that Sisco is pretty literally space jesus...@@renerpho
@@NashmanNashRemember, Trek tended to be a narrative about moral and ethical dilemmas in real life. The debate of teaching religion in schools, or even a certain political ideology, is still an ongoing debate.
But it is largely believed it is unethical to teach a specific religion to students as it could be considered proselytism. It was in the history of many colonizing nations to introduce their religion to other cultures as a means of assimilation. Imagine the outrage if they started teaching about Islam in public schools.
@@roadkillz78 I dont know where you are from,but in germany the islam and judaism are usually part of public schools schedules..just the most vital basics of course,the prime focus still being christianity
Also..wasnt Keikos class made up mostly of bajoran kids anyway?
@@NashmanNashthey should only teach Christianity
Did you see the way she looked at him at 2:10? 😂😂😍😍
Right, that was kinda hot... Even I felt flattert
him ? i think you mean his arse
Find yourself a girl who looks at you the way that Cardassian looks at O'Brien.
I have to say that is some really damn fine acting on her part. She knew how to look and act so... forward, intimate, hopelessly so, and yet she also did it balanced right between alluring and comedic. Just great acting.
Guess that's why Garak and Julian always argue...
Now I'm getting sus about Garak, he does seem to.....admire Dr Bashir....alot 🤔
@@MDE_never_dies
Did you know that their first Scene together, the man that plays Garak, played Garak like he wanted to get into Bashirs pants xD
@@richa16x He did 😶
@@MDE_never_dies Andrew Robinson who played Garak confirmed as much in the DS9 Doc What We Left Behind. To paraphrase 'at first he just wanted to have sex with him, come to my shop I've got some clothes you can try on'
The network would have outright refused to show queer representation in the early 90s to avoid any potential pearl clutching from viewers and any possible backlash as a result.
Therefore the writers had to tone it down and instead used subtext to hint at Garak's sexuality to get it past the network censors.
The episode 'Rejoined' in series 4 concerning Jadzia Dax's sexuality was much more overt in this regard and was a watershed moment for the show. Up until this point DS9 had avoided social commentary on homosexuality due to again network concerns over potential backlash
There's a certain bizarre, Bittersweet irony that a man who hates Kardashians so deeply has somehow messed her the heart of flirting with them so shamelessly.
I dictated the word "Cardassians" to my tablet,but it autocorrected my spelling and I really don't have the heart to change it.
The goddamn Kardashian empire 🔥
You could say that the reason Dukat often found more happiness in the arms of Bajoran women was because while he is turned on by verbal by aggressive verbal sparring, his delusion of grandeur and hero complex forces him also desire more submissive women.
As someone who doesn't care for that bloody show, I am quite okay with this "error" of yours. 😂
Actually, I think you discovered the truth of it. The writers of Star Trek based a future alien evil empire on a useless, moronic Hollywood family.
On the next episode of Deep throat 9, the Kardashians get close with the chief...
I've always enjoyed that while Bashir is constantly chasing after some woman with little success, there are others practically throwing themselves at The Chief.
Chicks dig an engineer
@@johnathanbrandt2526 He can probably drive a forklift, too.
@@nicholassmith7984 dam now I'm hot bothered too
“i assure you i’m quite fertile… but frankly i think you’re getting ahead of yourself.”
Adorable hybrid children with bumby foreheads, tiny little pale fingers and arms and curly red hair ❤😂
And let's be real, she was absolutely into the idea...
Also, GURL- you brought up the fertility, not him.
No cap, I'd probably cop. Cardie thighs making a man unwise
@@literallyanangrymoose7717 I don't know man scaly and leathery skin on that part of her, not to mention they may have a cloaca. But you do you bu as they say.
@@literallyanangrymoose7717
Saying no cap is cringey AF
I guess I am just built for a Cardassian interspecies relationship...
Cross cultural misunderstandings are my favourite misunderstandings in star trek
It's like the old show, 3's Company", in Space.
I liked it when Keiko was possessed by one of the most evil beings in existence, and it still managed to be nicer than Keiko.
Didn't it offer him putang?
The most important being in the whole Star Trek universe, in whatever timeline. Miles O'Brien.
DS9's HR department must be the most busiest place....
so cardassians are a species of tsunderes. interesting...
I'd never noticed before but she was totally checking out O'Brien's butt at 2:43 😂
At 2:12 too (just before the scene cuts), she apparently liked what she saw!
I'd give that cardasian girl an o'brien jr post haste!
I like how inconspicuous that corridor painting is in the background.
“We just have to shove the ODN line through the secondary field coils.”
Or insert the male into the female and wait for a reaction...
Hahahahah there's an episode in next generation where they scan a probe and it's just set up for innuendos
Oh sweet O'Brian...
all backup fail in Star Trek :D
as time goes on, we appreciate miles obrien more. hes a legend. indirectly attracting pregnant Kira and Cardassian female scientists lol
Don't forget the alternate timeline version that married ensign Tannenbaum.
Y'know, Miles is the hottie of DS9. He's married, this woman likes him, Kira falls for him...women fall all over him.
Quark and Odo both had more. Quark has tales to tell.
admit it, you thought it too;
"could be fun"
Kids these days would say, chief has rizz
Yeah daddy. Shunt my plasma relay 😂
Kinda interesting. It's implying that if a cardassian male is showing interest in you, he does it by acting aggressive and domeneeering, and it seemed like she fell into line and became submissive. So, if a cardassian *wants* you, it's a possessive ownership sort of love, vs acting friendly and less controlling meaning that they don't care about you as much. And thusly, showing disinterest/ambiance is actually a very direct way of showing a lack of interest, as opposed to humans who are a little less militaristic in their passions.
Love and hate are often cited as being both sides of the same coin due to the passion and attention that both require. Cardassians seem to take this concept to heart.
Gul Dukat, arrogant even by his own species' standards, nevertheless would not accept that Sisko genuinely loathed him: he only ever interpreted the grudging respect that Sisko was all but forced to acknowledge as being expressed through Sisko's hatred and adversarial confrontations as opposed to buried deep, deep within it. This, along with the video, give us a much clearer perspective on his relationship with Kira from his side also. The only times he's genuinely angry to the degree that he loses his composure is when he is looked down upon or outright ignored by someone he doesn't consider an equal or superior.
I like that each species has a psychology that each persona based on it has to at least roughly abide by. Gods I miss such writing now!
@2:01 the moment she realized she wanted him too
Whew, dodged a bullet there. And now back home to sweet Keiko to find out what she's in a huff about today.
Every day Miles leaves his quarters it's a miracle.
4:30
Open Mouth, Insert Foot, Close Mouth, and Walk to Nearest Airlock.
Imagine how awesome this story couldv'e been- miles who hates cardassians, ends up marrying one, with similar interests no less. Always fighting, but fiercely devoted. The conflicts of having a cardassian wife and kid(s) on a station full of vengeful bajorans, molly's interactions with half cardassian siblings. Keiko killed off and never spoken of again.. man it all could've been so good.
I'd rather have Keiko alive. That way she can cope with seeing Miles with a woman that actually appreciates him and ask herself where did she go wrong.
@@darkcoeficient Keeping Keiko on the station or on Bajor was limiting; she's a botanist and they'd just discovered a whole new quadrant. She should have been going through the wormhole on a regular basis to pursue her career and catalog new plant species.
@@nicholassmith7984Ahha got it.
Keiko is presumed dead, Miles morns and eventually moves on and this new relationship blossoms.
And then it turns out Keiko's not dead.
Yet another chapter in _"Miles must suffer"._
Or Keiko finds out about Miles new relationship first and decides not to announce that she's alive - but that wouldn't work because of Molly.
So either a big decision for Miles, or Keiko has someone new as well - she was marooned in time with someone and they thought they both would never get back.
there was a story plot to have Keiko replaced with a Cardassian spy but the story got dropped when someone reminded them about Keiko's child.
!!!!!
All of this is even more significant since its established back in TNG that O'Brien is a veteran of fighting Cardassians.
@4:31 That's something Tracy will never hear in her natural life.🤣
He didn't mean it like that. c'mon. He's a good family man.
Poor girl. She finally found the Cardassian equivalent of the gamer girl waifu.
It's an interesting view into Cardassian society.
In another timeline, they would make a nice couple.
Deep Space 9 did a great job at deepening the concepts and cultures of alien species. The Ferengi, Cardassians, Bajorians, and Trill and even Klingons benefitted from a wider understanding of cultures, histories and personalities outside the expected norms.
In this episode, this was an underatandable fuckup on the Cardassian's part. O'Brian is used to being around multiple cultures and having to deal with them...but she isn't. Cardassian is both expansionist and isolationist, meaning they don't often interact with those outside their species. O'Brian didn't react to her advances because he was assuming this was just her being "her", while she assumed he was interested because this was the norm for males on her world...and forgot he was human until he pointed it out.
'I assure you I am- quite fertile. I could provide you with many healthy children if- if that's your concern but quite frankly I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself'
Write that down in your notebooks ladies _write that down it will be on the quiz later_
oh…my I would have been blushing hard if a woman said that to me. Holy hell. 😅
That female engineer nearly caused O'Brien to swallow his tongue when she started assuring him of her fertility😅!
Tracey has such beautiful, expressive eyes and a killer smile. As a Cardi, that's a predator's smile.
She wants Miles to fork her spoon.
She lucky that wasn't kirk he would took her up on her offer
to be fair, she woulda been a better wife than Keiko
and also, for all those backup backup systems, they sure break down every episode.
Lots of explodium used in their construction too, apparently.
They would've had a lot more shared interests in engineering systems. Everything we saw between Miles and Keiko revealed they had very little in common.
Tbh I would of hooked up with her. She’s pretty for a Cardassian.
Yeah man! I always thought her and Cardassian Seska were pretty hot.. hell even Cardassian Kira and the first Ziyal were nice
I first remember Tracy from Dallas back in the days.
Humans woo, Klingons fight, Vulcans debate, Ferengi bargain, Romulans scheme, and Cardassians argue
This scene was so well written and acted, its hilarious, "frankly i think youre getting ahead of yourself"
Miles and Kira really had some great chemistry. In a 3rd alternate universe they might have had something.
When Kira is forced to carry the O'Brien's baby, they are very "chummy" but back off just before...
The Chief is a dirty spoon polisher. Leading her on like that...
I dont think o1brian really understood the danger he was in. She wanted snu snu and she was going to get snu snu
Dude…I would absolutely hit that in a heartbeat.
Also confirms Garaks debates with Bashir is... more than friendly.
*dumps water on person* Down shipper.
@@rh906 its confirm by the writers.
Oh yes... he seem to like it a little too much... XD
@@rh906 Andrew Robinson and Alexander Siddig both endorse it - they even did an audio reading of Garak/Bashir fanfic. Andrew Robinson even said he played Garak as not straight from day one.
@@philiphunn194 Endorsing something that didn't happen in the story...
Would have smashed in a heart beat, she was actually pretty.
O'Brian could of totally smashed that.. right in the jeffery's tube..
O’Brien about to get himself some Cardassian tay-tay.
Miles is an old soldier with battle-inspired racism towards her species. And somehow, due to an epic case of cross-cultural misunderstanding, that combines with his technical skills to translate into a panty-erasing rizz that we mere mortals can only dream about.
From what I can gather, Cardassian courtship is based on dominance to an extent but also a back and forth, a battle of wits or at least who can talk the other one down first. Arousal comes from confidence and agreeableness even in a platonic atmosphere. Lol, man why on earth Cardassian soldiers pursued Bajoran women instead of just engaging in recreational hoo haa with lady soldiers is beyond me.
This doesn't seem that much different from how it works on earth. She was shit-testing O'Brien, to see if he would put up with her shit. When he was confident, firm but not mean, her ovaries began to tingle.
Are there Female Cardassian soldiers?
@@zackkilgore528 Yes, as we’ve clearly seen if you go back and rewatch ds9
@@Lava91point0 where?
@@Lava91point0 what episode?
Now think about Gul Dukat and Kira's relationship and how it must look from the former's side.
And this is why people ship Garak and Bashir together
Yep, they argue all the time.
No matter how thick the make up and prosthetics, you could always recognize Tracy Scoggins' face. She has that distinctive bone structure and eyeshape that stands out.
ah, classic miles. Everyone knows women love a good handy man.
Miles got the real woman in stem experience. Outward disrespect of ability. Followed by unwanted sexual advance. Followed by bitterness at rejection.
Speaking of couplings, much better choice than that bland Kayco…. 😅
O'Brian... you old dogging you!!!!! 😂😂😂😂
COMPUTER: Partial field established. Instability at 12%
O'BRIEN: *Partial* field? Is station's inertial mass low enough to break orbit?
COMPUTER: Procedure is *not* recommended.
O'BRIEN: *Damn it,* I didn't *ASK for an opinion.* Just tell me whether or not we can get enough thrust with only a partial field established.
COMPUTER: Affirmative.
O'BRIEN: All right. *Thank you.* Initiate transit mode, three-axis stabilisation.
CREWMAN: Aye, sir.
O'BRIEN: Engage thrusters.
COMPUTER: *Warning.* Field integrity declining. Instability at twenty one percent.
O'BRIEN: We've got to close that gap in the field or we'll tear ourselves into a million pieces.
COMPUTER: *Warning* - Subspace field collapse in sixty seconds.
O'BRIEN: *Computer,* transfer energy from the inertial dampers to reinforce the subspace field.
COMPUTER: Procedure is *not* recommended.
O'BRIEN: Damn it, *transfer the energy!*
COMPUTER: *Unable to comply.*Level one safety protocols have *cancelled request.*
O'BRIEN: *Cancelled?*
COMPUTER: *Warning* - Subspace field collapse in 30 seconds.
O'BRIEN: I'm going to transfer it *manually.* On my mark, redirect the flow to the deflectors. Keep the power balanced.
CREWMAN: Aye, sir.
COMPUTER: Field collapse in 15 seconds.
O'BRIEN: *Now.*
COMPUTER: Field energy now within flight tolerances.
CREWWOMAN: Good work, sir.
O'BRIEN: *Computer,* You and I have to have a little *talk* ….
That O'Brien rizz!
O' Brian, you dirty talking Chief of Operations. Even i felt lead on even though im a st8 male😂
wow, so if you want to flirt with a cardassian girl, just argue with her. I get the funny feeling that whoever wrote this, was thinking about red-headed girls at the time
I can't believe that there are no good fanfics regarding these two. I've read a really good one where Jadzia Dax and Sisko briefly entered a secret relationship after he came back from the mirror universe, and it was so surprisingly good that I like to pretend it's canon (it doesn't directly contradict anything, it's like a fun addition).
Now, O'Brien breaking up with Keiko and ending up with a hot Cardassian.....I want that alternate reality.
That's exactly how we'd dew it on a boat, always have a spare of a spare
And if the spare of the spare became the spare, make sure the ex spare of a spare (now just a spare) has a spare too
Botten line, always have more then one back up. I's just a matter of time
She has an interesting way of crouching.
And I bet a with a Romulan it would all be elaborate series manipulations and deceptions. The more you play games the more they get turned on. XD
Miles could’ve gotten some that cardy cooch
O'Brien Must Suffer - Awkwarrrrrrrd Edition. 😭
FUCKING Keiko does it again. She is like an anchor.
They so missed a chance at having a Cardassian relationship involved on station.
O’Brien really has a type
That's Captain Lochley under that makeup!
She's really pretty for a Kardashian I mean a Cardassian