@@Krocxigor Even in Dax's case, there was outrage over that scene. Also, there's a general perception that gay women are more "acceptable" than gay men. Putting acceptable in air quotes because while they are affected by homophobia, lesbianism is usually fetishised so it's this weird thing where gayness in women isn't viewed as bad as in men. Even in some countries where homosexuality is criminalised, it's only between men where it's applied whereas women are considered more like antisocial behaviour
@kevinphoenix2007 It's one actor who chose to play one character as ambiguously gay on a show with only one other confirmed LGBT character. That's pretty far from making "everything" gay. Meanwhile, there are dozens of explicit straight romances on the show, but you don't find that to be inappropriate. Just say you're homophobic and move on.
Absolutely DYING at the “myehhh guys can be friends without it being gay” comments, because Andrew Robinson (Garak’s actor) literally said that he portrayed Garak as being attracted to Dr. Bashir.
Yeah I mean straight men and women can be friends also not everything is about romance, but the chemistry between these two (especially from Garak's side) was palpable.
Their first meeting should have been included. It was hilarious when Garak said he wants to be Bashir's friend and he freezes as Garak puts his hands on his shoulder.
to be fair it was "subtext" to the writers but andrew robinson was playing it as gay as he physically could get away with, hes been open about this lol
I want a podcast of Andrew Robinson reading some type of children's fables and stories, trying to wrap his head around the more gruesome ones... And giving his opinion on the real themes and main ideas.
@@sophiaolszewski64 Garak is a real person from an alternate timeline, Bashir is from another timeline and is an Emergency Medical Hologram. He has an emitter that lets him travel outside holo-projector equipped areas.
in all fairness it makes sense the semi retired wetworks operative would hang out with the augmented doctor i imagine the number of people intellectually on their level besides dax is very low.
They were always supposed to be have been a couple, but the TV execs wouldn't allow it so the writers and the actors had to keep it as subtext only, although Andrew Robinson did play Garak as openly gay as was possible under the circumstances.
I knew how gay they were. I *remembered* from the show. I knew what to expect when I hit the play button. and then I watched this and went. oh my god. they really are *that* homosexual
A tailor is an excellent occupation for a spy. Gives public plausible deniability. Much more deniability than others. You can get access to alot information as a tailor. People lower their deflection shields. Mostly.
They were lucky to get AK as well as all the other talent. He needed the money so he said yes to doing it. I bet he thinks of it as a career high, though.
I mean, are any us of on this ship normal for them? I have found that when there are characters that could have been queer if not for our homophobia and/or someone on the team saying no especially when it involves a ship are never normal about this. We were robbed of the chance to see it happen. Why should we be normal?
Blame Rick Berman for that, apparently because of Siddig and Robinson wanting to make them canon (and I guess you could say act gay on purpose), he gave them less scenes together (I MIGHT BE WRONG BTW)
Every time I see these kind of scenes between these two I just get so annoyed the show didn't run more with the idea they were a couple like originally surmised, Gah! They're too amazing together!
It wasn't missed at all: That was AS CLOSE as the networks would ALLOW (and that's why that shit worked like clockwork!) When Garak was on The Shuttle Podcast earlier this (on YT) He explained his Ah-ha moment during the pre-production of DS9: "Oh I get it. Garak wants to &^%$ Bashir. Oh I can Do that angle...". That pairing, Bashir and Garak, that was most Almost-Out-of-Closet television to be had in the 90's. Done so well, that folks who knew, KNEW and folks who did not, did not b*tch about it...
@@tehpw7574 Actually I agree with advanced. Babylon 5 which ran pretty much concurrently with DS9 and they had a portrayal of gay marriage between men in it. That to me was revolutionary when I first saw it in the late 90s
DS9 was already a massive risk for the studio, they didn't want to push it further the first to do something has to fight the hardest, at this time one of the first major openly gay married couples with men was being released as Gabryal mentioned they didn't have the luxury to take that risk with so much else on the line So they showed their relationship just enough in the closet to not upset the homophobes, and enough to depict the relationship they wanted to show.
Yeah, Andrew's point I think was that Garak didn't care who his lover was- gay, straight, bi, trans- as long as he/she was human and physically attractive.
@ThisistheEnd66699 is that projection since you're afraid to show your face? You're liking your own comments too 😂 what's with this bratty 12 year old girl energy?
Yesss Conservatives either complain that something feels forced and unnatural "to tick boxes", or that yes there's chemistry but it must be friendship (you can't win). Meanwhile the straight thing with Odo and Kira is this weird one-way crush for most of the series devoid of even much I'd call friendship (beyond the everyday military camaraderie) where the other side gets trapped in a bit of rock and relents and then feels one of the most unnatural and forced relationships I've seen on TV... If Kira were male it'd be all "this is so forced, just for the sake of lefty LGBT diversity"
Loving the "whats really being said" flashed on the screen Remind me of Goldfinger and Bond "Ah Mr Bond so good to see you up and about! (What the blank are YOU doing out?!) Please meet Mr Soto an esteemed associate" (he's a goner anyway..) "How do you do? Well i just couldn't stay cooped up on a wonderful day like this (i broke out if you must know) and decided to go for a walk. I ran into Ms Galore here and she suggested we come find you" (and i got my smarmy @$$ kicked)
It seemed clear as day to me that Bashir & Garak were being lined up as a couple, so it was bitterly disappointing that their romance was cancelled due to 90s homophobia. :( I'm glad we have Discovery to queer things up now, but I'll always consider Garashir to be canon.
Garak and Bashir, the pansexual/gay relationship we all needed but were never given freely. We must seize the means of representation and write as much gay fiction about these two as possible, I'll be titling my magnum opus "Spoon-fed lies by a Spoon-Faced Guy" An addition: Garak is turned on by violence and that delights me
your subtitles are hilarious. also you're forgetting in the racquetball scene that was actually the Lethian. Their faces are getting strangely close in that one scene on the holosuite. You're also forgetting that Garek didn't send Julian away when his estranged father (Tain) was dying. That was MAJOR.
Well, if we speak about FRIENDS it's probably Bashir and O'Brien. They had their ups and downs, but with time they work things out and become pretty good friends (and it's certainly interesting to look at them)
8:57 'someone should tell them about personal space.' ah, but that's tv for you. happens all the time because of camera angles actors are much nearer to each others faces than in RLK
Reminds me of that short drive with my mom and father today. She didn’t give a fuck about my father or anyone really. Started screaming at us just because dad was telling her to go the right way and then she goes all screaming for the rest of the drive. Like she some awful victim helping her husband and family. Dad told me he is have shoulder problems now…
Bashir was only turning 30?!?! Makes little sense considering to be a resident and finish with specialization as he would have done would put him in mid-30s or even into early 40s. WOW!!!!!
Pretty sure they cover that in the series as he always excelled in school but held himself back just enough to not get caught. So like doogie howser he probably graduated at a very very young age.
If you’re not Kirk, Spock, or McCoy, you’re no one. TNG. . .more actors get more. .profiles. But DS9 is about Cisco and Voyager about Janeway. Yet, even in a world about the black guy or the white woman, you can still have your own independent lives. It’s all about these ‘minor’ characters quite often on DS9 and Voyager. It could be a bit like ‘lower decks’. We see more about what life would be like as part of the Federation for normal people.
It was 100% implied.The documentary on DS9, "What We Left Behind" confirms it 100% from both the actors and writer's perspective. The actors also did a reading of a fanfic where they were a married couple.
The actor for Garak has said multiple times in multiple interviews that he specifically played Garak as a queer man infatuated with Bashir. Both actors agree on the couple. They even voiceacted an 'episode' during the quarantine where the two reunited. Men can be best friends; these two men weren't played as such, though.
You're right and it's sad, but as @moldymulder said, Andrew Robinson did say that he played Garak as a queer man infatuated with Bashir (good taste, btw). So in a way, they WERE a couple. This video IS brilliant too.
@@SpookMrsSpooky Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have complained, because with DS9 in that era it wouldn't be the 'look how gay we are', unnatural in your face nonsense of this era. It would have been handled with decorum and good taste, like the rest of the romances in ST of the time. But the character was not written that way, and all I ever saw were two good friends from very different worlds. To me, it was more about how friendship can happen between people of radically different backgrounds and cultures.
@@Alamandorious Oh I agree totally, and that's how I saw it too - and actually still do. it was much later that I saw Robinson's comments, and thinking back, that does explain that undercurrent that I could sort of see but dismissed as just Garak's personality and mannerisms.
@@SpookMrsSpooky See, I don't see it. The only time there was any sort of indicator was in the Mirror Universe episode...but then again, everyone was a little more...well, more 'modern standards'.
I don't consider them gay. Bashir was straight for sure, and Garak's behavior was always manipulative. While I think to some level Garak does like Bashir, in their last encounter with each other, Garak seems uncomfortable with him being around, and rather dismissive. Someone once described Garak as "job-sexual", and I think that's at least kind of right -- Garak always pursues the person most likely to benefit him. He friends up to Bashir because Bashir is a doctor/friendly/making Federation connections, and he has a relationship with Ziyal because it pisses off Dukat.
I mean I could probably see where you coming from if Garak was like, actually super attached to his ‘job’ if by job you mean being a tailor vs any kind of nondescript spy career he was exiled from but still seems to be entertaining. But the thing is, we learn pretty quickly that being a tailor is kind of something he just does to pass the time, to give himself a purpose on what is otherwise a very cold, very bright very unwelcoming station he is seeking ‘asylum’ on (it would be?) And also, I don’t see how his relationship with Julian can really get him anywhere specific outside of Julian just generally being rather sociable. If Garaks wanted a good ‘in’ so much he would have tried to befriend some other character he is somewhat compatible with - probably Odo? Anyway, that is to say my interpretation is he does all of this with Julian because he is a fruit end of haha.
honestly the need to do this is beyond weird as there's more chemistry between O'brien and Bashir than Garak. But still, they're all just friends, men can be close without wanting to bum you know.
@@mira_ashhh I did the worst thing for a youtube video, I watched 30 seconds of it and moved away after downvoting. It helps kill the video through the algorithm spread, it would register this as being dissatisfied and unwanted by the community. Which is slightly negated by the comment interaction but the double of not watching all the way through and then downvoting eliminates that. So you're welcome lol
You haven't seen the actors acting out Little Achievements, then, in which they acknowledge the characters' husbandry? The actors are on board with the ship. Allow a little fun in your heart, it's not that serious friend
@@Shindai I would if freaks like yourself would be okay with it when the reverse is done. But it's never that, if I were to suggest a lesbian character likes big dicks you'd call me endless names or have a gay character want that pusspuss. Because it's never about "having fun" its about twisting something to your viewpoint. That's why its wrong and always is wrong.
Keep in mind that Andrew Robinson was asked to *tone down* the ambiguous orientation of Garak in his performance.
I suppose it's because of the time it was produced, but still a pity
@@Krocxigor Even in Dax's case, there was outrage over that scene. Also, there's a general perception that gay women are more "acceptable" than gay men. Putting acceptable in air quotes because while they are affected by homophobia, lesbianism is usually fetishised so it's this weird thing where gayness in women isn't viewed as bad as in men. Even in some countries where homosexuality is criminalised, it's only between men where it's applied whereas women are considered more like antisocial behaviour
@Krocxigor they weren't lecturing you? They were litterally just responding to your comment, you need to grow up
Why? Why does everything have to be gay? Do you modern “progressives” have such a complete lack of self-control, that you just can’t help yourselves?
@kevinphoenix2007 It's one actor who chose to play one character as ambiguously gay on a show with only one other confirmed LGBT character. That's pretty far from making "everything" gay. Meanwhile, there are dozens of explicit straight romances on the show, but you don't find that to be inappropriate. Just say you're homophobic and move on.
Its even better when you take into account that arguments are the Cardassians' way of flirting.
Absolutely DYING at the “myehhh guys can be friends without it being gay” comments, because Andrew Robinson (Garak’s actor) literally said that he portrayed Garak as being attracted to Dr. Bashir.
Yeah I mean straight men and women can be friends also not everything is about romance, but the chemistry between these two (especially from Garak's side) was palpable.
Facts💯
Garak when Bashir shot him: 😮🥺🥵
"that was hot...our divorce arc is officially over" hahaha i love it
Came here after the new Lower Decks episode.
@@p.anthony_xpert1013 this episode was blessing for garashir shippers
Arguing is actually considered flirting amoungst Garaks species
Not arguing outright disdain is an act of flirting...
I thought that was a Tellarite thing
@@snatchadams69 but if outright distain is flirting, does that mean Garak and Gal’dikut are exes
@@kathrynblakeley9823 possibly or Garak "interrogated" Dukat's father to death...
@@snatchadams69 interesting (Cardassians continue to leave me baffled).
To quote Andrew Robinson “ I think it did start of as something physical, he wanted sex, but then it became so much more.” Or something like that
Which one wanted something more 👀
Bashir and Garak walked so Beckett Mariner could sprint
Per the writers the sub text is real. We are not imagining things. But it was the 90s and the world wasn’t ready for gay characters in Trek.
Not reoccurring characters anyway
God I love how Andy Robinson speaks. The emphasis is almost musical
Their first meeting should have been included. It was hilarious when Garak said he wants to be Bashir's friend and he freezes as Garak puts his hands on his shoulder.
I have a feeling Garak world still insist on calling Bashir "Doctor", even if they ever did end up together.
YEEEES
100% Garak would use Doctor as a pet name for Bashir
okay but WHY DOES GARAK SOUND LIKE THAT ??????? “oh you wouldn’t have me any other way” HELLO ??????????????????
riiiiiiiiiight that's not subtext that's big neon headlights
to be fair it was "subtext" to the writers but andrew robinson was playing it as gay as he physically could get away with, hes been open about this lol
The time Julian gives Garak back the chocolates should be in here. Makes me smile every time.
Aaagh, RIGHT, I forgot about this part 😫 it such a cute moment
I want a podcast of Andrew Robinson reading some type of children's fables and stories, trying to wrap his head around the more gruesome ones... And giving his opinion on the real themes and main ideas.
Bac here now that were canon
the "Tell me I'm pretty" broke me, well done, the little edits are delightful!
Oh, thank you very much! It's mean a lot to me!
I know it’s EMHs, but we finally got a payoff for this relationship on screen with Lower Decks. It was so affirming! And funny.
What’s EMH?
@@sophiaolszewski64 Garak is a real person from an alternate timeline, Bashir is from another timeline and is an Emergency Medical Hologram. He has an emitter that lets him travel outside holo-projector equipped areas.
Given their backgrounds, i think it makes sense that they'd end up as a sort of intellectual foil for each other.
in all fairness it makes sense the semi retired wetworks operative would hang out with the augmented doctor i imagine the number of people intellectually on their level besides dax is very low.
I really never considered their relationship like this. It really makes more sense now in prospective.
They were always supposed to be have been a couple, but the TV execs wouldn't allow it so the writers and the actors had to keep it as subtext only, although Andrew Robinson did play Garak as openly gay as was possible under the circumstances.
@@KelseyRuthAU Garak is gay Bashir is platonically interested in him. They become platonically in love.
Holy crap, i haven't watch this series in years but they are really cute together.
Love how Lower deck has them together via multiverse shenanigans s
Thank you for this video ❤️🔥 (also - Lower Decks! Lower Decks! Lower Decks!)
@@dancingdragon3 LOWER DECKS! And thank you, I hope you enjoyed it
Andrew Robinson, AKA Garak, is the godfather of Siddig El Fadil's children, Siddig being Bashir.
Really? It make my heart melt 😊❤️
@@mira_ashhh The kid's mom is Nana visitor, aka Kira. Her pregnancy in the show was legit.
@@noabsolutelynot3660 Yep, when Kira yelled at Bashir that her pregnancy was all his fault, she spoke the truth.
I knew how gay they were. I *remembered* from the show. I knew what to expect when I hit the play button. and then I watched this and went. oh my god. they really are *that* homosexual
I ship that s*** like UPS.
A tailor is an excellent occupation for a spy. Gives public plausible deniability. Much more deniability than others. You can get access to alot information as a tailor. People lower their deflection shields. Mostly.
And even with that and all Andrew Robinson Performance of Garak was To me a Rare to say Perfection.
They were lucky to get AK as well as all the other talent. He needed the money so he said yes to doing it. I bet he thinks of it as a career high, though.
3:04
"Personal space?
What's that??"
I'm NOT NORMAL for them
I mean, are any us of on this ship normal for them?
I have found that when there are characters that could have been queer if not for our homophobia and/or someone on the team saying no especially when it involves a ship are never normal about this. We were robbed of the chance to see it happen. Why should we be normal?
You know both actors would heartily approve!
maybe one of the best comment I got
I wish there were more scenes with them in it
Me too(
Blame Rick Berman for that, apparently because of Siddig and Robinson wanting to make them canon (and I guess you could say act gay on purpose), he gave them less scenes together (I MIGHT BE WRONG BTW)
@@Hells-Best-Demon I'm pretty sure 6oure right, honestly Rick Berman is to blame for a lot of things
'its not porn thank god' LMAO
Every time I see these kind of scenes between these two I just get so annoyed the show didn't run more with the idea they were a couple like originally surmised, Gah! They're too amazing together!
Totally agree. Thank goodness for AO3 😉❤️
@@eloiseroberts9674 bless Ao3.
Among the biggest missed opportunities in Trek.
It wasn't missed at all: That was AS CLOSE as the networks would ALLOW (and that's why that shit worked like clockwork!) When Garak was on The Shuttle Podcast earlier this (on YT) He explained his Ah-ha moment during the pre-production of DS9: "Oh I get it. Garak wants to &^%$ Bashir. Oh I can Do that angle...". That pairing, Bashir and Garak, that was most Almost-Out-of-Closet television to be had in the 90's. Done so well, that folks who knew, KNEW and folks who did not, did not b*tch about it...
@@tehpw7574 yes you are right
@@tehpw7574 Actually I agree with advanced. Babylon 5 which ran pretty much concurrently with DS9 and they had a portrayal of gay marriage between men in it. That to me was revolutionary when I first saw it in the late 90s
DS9 was already a massive risk for the studio, they didn't want to push it further
the first to do something has to fight the hardest, at this time one of the first major openly gay married couples with men was being released as Gabryal mentioned
they didn't have the luxury to take that risk with so much else on the line
So they showed their relationship just enough in the closet to not upset the homophobes, and enough to depict the relationship they wanted to show.
@@crayzkato6607 oh I definitely agree with everything you said.
This is funny considering the actor playing Garak said that when he started playing the character he played it that he wanted to have sex with Bashir.
I know, right? 😆 God bless him, he's the best
They told Andrew Robinson (and the writers) to tone that side down, and so we have our favourite Garak right here.
The implied subtext makes the relationship more fun
They’ve read slash fiction as a couple…
Yeah, Andrew's point I think was that Garak didn't care who his lover was- gay, straight, bi, trans- as long as he/she was human and physically attractive.
Son of a bitch, these guys make such a good comedic duo XD
"In two days I turn 30!!"
As someone who recently turned 30 yet looks a decade younger than that man.. I realize age is just a number 😂
Same here; I turn 30 in a couple of months, yet everyone thinks I'm at least a decade younger.
@OnafetsEnovap happy belated birthday
@ThisistheEnd66699 is that projection since you're afraid to show your face? You're liking your own comments too 😂 what's with this bratty 12 year old girl energy?
This ship had more chemistry than Odo and Kira and I LOVE ITTTT
Andrew Robinson did this deliberately, he said he played his first meeting with Bashir as "This is a man Garak is sexually interested in."
@@sirblockepicmcswaggins5248 LOL REALLY THAT'S SO FUNNY
Yesss
Conservatives either complain that something feels forced and unnatural "to tick boxes", or that yes there's chemistry but it must be friendship (you can't win). Meanwhile the straight thing with Odo and Kira is this weird one-way crush for most of the series devoid of even much I'd call friendship (beyond the everyday military camaraderie) where the other side gets trapped in a bit of rock and relents and then feels one of the most unnatural and forced relationships I've seen on TV...
If Kira were male it'd be all "this is so forced, just for the sake of lefty LGBT diversity"
Don't cardashians flirt by arguing??..... oo
OOOOHHHH-
@@wornouthoodie OOOOHHHHHHHHH! :○ XD
They are like me fr fr
@@SaffronicSaffronnot by arguing, but by trading tit for tat barbs with each other.
@@jacobburt1523 It seems they do that dance really well too. 🎉
actually for realsies felt like crying when they _didn't_ hug or kiss or call eachother some affectionate nickname, repeatedly, on every single clip,
"straight", love it
wtf. it's like a anime romcom. lol
Loving the "whats really being said" flashed on the screen
Remind me of Goldfinger and Bond
"Ah Mr Bond so good to see you up and about! (What the blank are YOU doing out?!) Please meet Mr Soto an esteemed associate" (he's a goner anyway..)
"How do you do? Well i just couldn't stay cooped up on a wonderful day like this (i broke out if you must know) and decided to go for a walk. I ran into Ms Galore here and she suggested we come find you" (and i got my smarmy @$$ kicked)
It seemed clear as day to me that Bashir & Garak were being lined up as a couple, so it was bitterly disappointing that their romance was cancelled due to 90s homophobia. :( I'm glad we have Discovery to queer things up now, but I'll always consider Garashir to be canon.
The actors did a script reading set after DS9 where the two were less, obscure about their connections.
Any wonder why folks ship them like FedEx?
Cause they have chemistry between them like Dupont)
@@maximprilipko990 Toxic and able to kill thousands ?
@@bastobasto4866Exactly.
Garak hems Bashir's pants a bit too often
I wonder if it's a euphemism lol
Love the “straight” in type lol.
Love how they first had Garek wanted to bang Bashir
I think they still kept with the plan.
Just didn't go explicit with it.
my second favorite relatioons in ds9 afte cheif obrien and cadet nog
They really do make the best pair.
Garak and Bashir, the pansexual/gay relationship we all needed but were never given freely. We must seize the means of representation and write as much gay fiction about these two as possible, I'll be titling my magnum opus "Spoon-fed lies by a Spoon-Faced Guy"
An addition: Garak is turned on by violence and that delights me
And where, pray tell, will this magnum opus be published? I do so enjoy stories with such clever titles... 😂
Cringe
the real question is if it will be on AO3 or not
your subtitles are hilarious. also you're forgetting in the racquetball scene that was actually the Lethian.
Their faces are getting strangely close in that one scene on the holosuite.
You're also forgetting that Garek didn't send Julian away when his estranged father (Tain) was dying. That was MAJOR.
.. I am watching this at 2 AM…. o.-.o
The "ew" at Quark 😆
@@CCNuck THANK YOU FOR NOTICING! 😭😭😭 It's probably the most funny line I did, I was sad nobody mentioned it
Any wonder why folks ship that s*** harder that overnight post?
But seriously, who's better friends: Bashir and Garak or Bashir and O'Brien?
Due to previous events, Garak & O'Brien don't make the best team
Well, if we speak about FRIENDS it's probably Bashir and O'Brien. They had their ups and downs, but with time they work things out and become pretty good friends (and it's certainly interesting to look at them)
I wonder if Miles ever got jealous.
I bet he did
I would
Jajajajja, i loved the coments that you added
Haha, thanks!!!
Yes, Garak dear, it's called the Holodomor. You're Intel- look it up. 🤣
it took me about 5 minutes to figure out what the reference was. Good job))
8:57 'someone should tell them about personal space.' ah, but that's tv for you. happens all the time because of camera angles actors are much nearer to each others faces than in RLK
This awesome and true, thank you.
Reminds me of that short drive with my mom and father today. She didn’t give a fuck about my father or anyone really. Started screaming at us just because dad was telling her to go the right way and then she goes all screaming for the rest of the drive. Like she some awful victim helping her husband and family. Dad told me he is have shoulder problems now…
I hope your father be okay soon
Bashir was only turning 30?!?! Makes little sense considering to be a resident and finish with specialization as he would have done would put him in mid-30s or even into early 40s. WOW!!!!!
That genetic augmentation did some crazy things lol
Pretty sure they cover that in the series as he always excelled in school but held himself back just enough to not get caught. So like doogie howser he probably graduated at a very very young age.
You should have included the wire it's my favourite garashir moment
Technically, some parts of "The Wire" are in video, just not all
@@mira_ashhh oh I guess I meant the part where garak is falling and being miserable and Bashir is trying to help even though garak I'd refusing it
@@garakstailorshop oooh! This one! Yeah, this is such a good part
This is quality content and edition
I'm a Federation doctor Garak.. you listen to me.
HAHA!! too funny
0:53 Except Alexander Siddig/Siddig el Fadil was OLDER than 30 playing this character.
Siddig was born in 1965, _Distant Voices_ aired in 1995. So he turned 30 that same year.
Garak Was a Great Character But Quark is The Best Character in History of Star Trek....You Have Any Quark Videos i Should Look For on Your Channel?
@@Brick-so1ig No, sorry( that's actually only DS9 video I have made
The audio is out of sync. Just FYI.
Somehow this ends up fixing itself when I use bluetooth speakers lmao
May be, but it's still really funny❤
Garak and Bashir are not "an old married couple". That title clearly belongs to the relationship between Bashir and O'Brien...
True, garak is the side girl.....poor miles!
Why not a happy moresome/thruple? 😁😜
the volume is fucked
3:28 - I just watched to see Kira, looking really feminine for a change.
☮
If you’re not Kirk, Spock, or McCoy, you’re no one. TNG. . .more actors get more. .profiles. But DS9 is about Cisco and Voyager about Janeway. Yet, even in a world about the black guy or the white woman, you can still have your own independent lives. It’s all about these ‘minor’ characters quite often on DS9 and Voyager. It could be a bit like ‘lower decks’. We see more about what life would be like as part of the Federation for normal people.
I can't see them as gay. I do see the flirting, but to me, its just a silly game. i just don't percieve them as potential lovers.
It was 100% implied.The documentary on DS9, "What We Left Behind" confirms it 100% from both the actors and writer's perspective. The actors also did a reading of a fanfic where they were a married couple.
Plus Andrew Robinson flat out said his inspiration for Garak was because he wanted to sleep with Alexander Siddig
In the new game, a hologram of Bashir says that he knows what it's like to date a Cardassian. Not quite canon yet, but we hit the beta canon boys 💪💪
It’s okay, it’s just a joke really.
@@BottomBunkArt Wait WHAAT?!
Always hated Garashir as a concept .But it was clear Garak was kind of obsessed Bashir .
If think about their relationship from this side, I think they both were kind of obsessed with each other at the beginning, but it gone with time
Yes, because men can't just be best friends anymore. They _have_ to be a couple.
The actor for Garak has said multiple times in multiple interviews that he specifically played Garak as a queer man infatuated with Bashir. Both actors agree on the couple. They even voiceacted an 'episode' during the quarantine where the two reunited. Men can be best friends; these two men weren't played as such, though.
You're right and it's sad, but as @moldymulder said, Andrew Robinson did say that he played Garak as a queer man infatuated with Bashir (good taste, btw). So in a way, they WERE a couple. This video IS brilliant too.
@@SpookMrsSpooky Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have complained, because with DS9 in that era it wouldn't be the 'look how gay we are', unnatural in your face nonsense of this era. It would have been handled with decorum and good taste, like the rest of the romances in ST of the time.
But the character was not written that way, and all I ever saw were two good friends from very different worlds. To me, it was more about how friendship can happen between people of radically different backgrounds and cultures.
@@Alamandorious Oh I agree totally, and that's how I saw it too - and actually still do. it was much later that I saw Robinson's comments, and thinking back, that does explain that undercurrent that I could sort of see but dismissed as just Garak's personality and mannerisms.
@@SpookMrsSpooky See, I don't see it. The only time there was any sort of indicator was in the Mirror Universe episode...but then again, everyone was a little more...well, more 'modern standards'.
I don't consider them gay. Bashir was straight for sure, and Garak's behavior was always manipulative. While I think to some level Garak does like Bashir, in their last encounter with each other, Garak seems uncomfortable with him being around, and rather dismissive. Someone once described Garak as "job-sexual", and I think that's at least kind of right -- Garak always pursues the person most likely to benefit him. He friends up to Bashir because Bashir is a doctor/friendly/making Federation connections, and he has a relationship with Ziyal because it pisses off Dukat.
The actors thought it was gonna be gay and them Rick Burman told them to straighten it up a little.
I mean I could probably see where you coming from if Garak was like, actually super attached to his ‘job’ if by job you mean being a tailor vs any kind of nondescript spy career he was exiled from but still seems to be entertaining. But the thing is, we learn pretty quickly that being a tailor is kind of something he just does to pass the time, to give himself a purpose on what is otherwise a very cold, very bright very unwelcoming station he is seeking ‘asylum’ on (it would be?) And also, I don’t see how his relationship with Julian can really get him anywhere specific outside of Julian just generally being rather sociable. If Garaks wanted a good ‘in’ so much he would have tried to befriend some other character he is somewhat compatible with - probably Odo? Anyway, that is to say my interpretation is he does all of this with Julian because he is a fruit end of haha.
honestly the need to do this is beyond weird as there's more chemistry between O'brien and Bashir than Garak.
But still, they're all just friends, men can be close without wanting to bum you know.
You still can, you know? Not watched this video?
But I'm glad you did 😊❤️
@@mira_ashhh I did the worst thing for a youtube video, I watched 30 seconds of it and moved away after downvoting.
It helps kill the video through the algorithm spread, it would register this as being dissatisfied and unwanted by the community.
Which is slightly negated by the comment interaction but the double of not watching all the way through and then downvoting eliminates that. So you're welcome lol
@@UncensoredScion don't think it'll happen, but thanks for info :> ❤️
You haven't seen the actors acting out Little Achievements, then, in which they acknowledge the characters' husbandry? The actors are on board with the ship. Allow a little fun in your heart, it's not that serious friend
@@Shindai I would if freaks like yourself would be okay with it when the reverse is done.
But it's never that, if I were to suggest a lesbian character likes big dicks you'd call me endless names or have a gay character want that pusspuss.
Because it's never about "having fun" its about twisting something to your viewpoint. That's why its wrong and always is wrong.
I love the captions......
Totally agree. This is funny.