I’ve gotta say, what Gary said here is basically my life. Went into corporate, hit that bamboo ceiling. Had people steal my work and ideas, was never a self promoter, and then decided to work for myself. Best decision ever. If you’ve got the talent and you can build, go do it. Stop wasting time playing office politics. And truth be told, working in america or overseas, asians are looked at as non top management material. You’ve really got to be “white” culturally to even get along with top management and even then you can still feel some kind of difference because you’re asian, at least that was my experience. 90% of the people in top management were white and male. So meh, no office politics for me. Go build my own building. And that whole banana thing. My god I feel Gary, definitely don’t want to be a banana. Now I’m just me, an alien in this world. Working across continents and mixing in different languages and cultures. 👽
I don't want to discount your experience entirely, however have you tried considering that perhaps it is your perception only that makes you feel this way? Maybe you're projecting your own feelings towards other cultures and mirroring this back onto yourself? My experience in North America has been very positive in terms of racial and cultural inclusion, if not the most inclusive place on earth. After all, if you were to work in China or Japan you would find yourself in an extremely exclusive work environment typically 100% homogenous both "racially" (not a fan of this term) and culturally.
Wow, I had never heard of the Gervais Principle, but being enlightened to it now, it almost immediately made my extremely weird career trajectory make so much sense. I basically spent two years underperforming and driven mad as a "loser" in a successful unicorn, lost the plot at one point and just upped and left. Immediately fell into the startup space and was groomed by "sociopaths" to senior management level at a breakneck pace that even now is a bit difficult for me to comprehend the speed at which it happened. The momentum just never stopped but at least I know why now...
Garry, I'm 17...the videos and every contect of yours I keep track off. Really developed the perspective how top vc s like you have developed the aptitude of searching real talent and future brand operations making billions from scratch. Not predictions but real results based on intuitions....garry, thanks for everything. Keep going and inspire us
By observing your comment I can say that our generation "GenZ" will have some really great entrepreneurs (including me) and level of innovation would be gigantic .Btw I am 17 too
Bamboo ceiling is the reason my cousin and friends move to Hong Kong or Singapore from Australia. One of them was pulled aside by well meaning manager and told she doesn’t fit culturally despite being fantastic staff, she doesn’t drink, chit chat after working hours or hanging out in pubs every Friday. You can go build your own ladder in private sector no prob , however imagine public sector ran by same mob who dismiss you and pass laws that only benefit their folks because rest of us can’t be bothered to fight it. Great content Gary, you earn a new sub!
Your friend will probably encounter the same problem in Hong Kong and Singapore. It is common for colleagues to socialise after work in these cities too. I think the drinking part is really optional and obviously not for everyone, however it is always a good idea to engage with colleagues socially to build a sense of team and bring more meaning to your work life.
@@billaddison82 She still lives in HK til this day. I should have elaborated by culturally fit in Australia (in my friend's corporate experience at least): dressing up for Melbourne cup day, interested in Cricket, AFL, Friday night drink etc. Of course none of this mentioned openly, none forced her and she was treated with respect hence she was grateful being pulled aside and told the truth. It irks her spectacular job performance isn't a guarantee to move to management circle.
@@Hendra23155 I totally understand. I have a female friend who is a person of colour who experienced the same issue in China, though a lot worse. They were extremely racist towards her and sexist due to her high-performance in the corporate workplace. She was able to work very hard to assimilate, as much as one can in such a homogenous country such as China, by learning the language, following the customs, sports etc. and trying to fit in as best she could despite the incessant racism she suffered daily in China.
@@Hendra23155 Being great analyst or SDE is different from managing a team of analysts or SDE. It takes high level of SI and EI to climb the corporate ladder successfully. It is not really everyone's cup of tea.
Just came across an email where a lesser experienced colleague got promoted into a role for which there were far better employees available with richer experience. And boom, here comes your video to calm my nerves. I feel we are gonna meet someday Garry. I don't know when but I have a strong gut feeling about it! Till then, keep posting your amazing content and inspiring us! Thank you! Godspeed! :D
As an Asian guy who spent years excelling in all of my jobs, I can attest to this bamboo ceiling. Multiple times, I am the top performer in all metrics, hold the most valuable knowledge of the company, and put in more work than anyone else. Yet everytime a promotion opportunity comes up, the least experienced person gets promoted because it was a girl the manager liked or was friends with. These employers always wondered why I left.
Spot on Garry. A big reason why I chose to “build my own skyscraper” and have never been happier and more fulfilled. Create your own success whether that’s in corporate or outside.
Wow, so many amazing disparate references in here. I’ve never heard anyone reference The Office, Ribbonfarm, and 48 Laws of Power in one example. Really helps drive the point home.
"Know your worth" - that is where self-respect begins and then overnight, the world changes. Thanks Gary for addressing this malaise. Big fan of your videos. Looking forward to more collab between you and Justin !!
This resonates with me so much. I've been struggling as a software engineer for the past 5 years because of office politics and power talks. I've always hated relinquishing control over my life to these companies. I am fully aware of the "power talks" and how to participate in them (am I a sociopath?) but I can't stand any of it. Been working on building my own house, brick by brick. Only a matter of time now before I'm free
Thanks Garry, I can relate to some of things you have mentioned. At the end of the day, you just got to do what puts a smile on your face and follow the golden rule.
Very nice, sir. Extracted a very rare comment from me. This is the simple truth and also the key to life and that's a wicked efficient composite. So, nice!
Garry - as a “long time” fan and subscriber of your channel - thank you for taking the time to address and provide your perspective on this topic. Never stop keeping it real.
thank you for the great content Garry, as a founder I am learning so much from this channel, God Bless you as we can only become better by learning from those who have walked the path before us. ✌🙏
Great video. I spent 18 years in Corporate America and I was terrible at Power Talk. I'm someone who graduated from Loser to Clueless and I didn't have the desire to play the game necessary to become a Sociopath. Now I'm doing my own thing and much happier.
Thanks Garry for making the video and point out all the true facts, It hurts but it's so real. As an Asian immigrate in tech, I'm in tears half way through the video... Thanks for speaking it out load and clear for all of us.
Gary, Seriously. Thanks for passing on your wisdom to other fellow Asians working in tech and private equity. Fantastic video for saying something that really needed to be said.
This is really great... As an Asian American tech worker, I really appreciate your wisdom and experience. Im very glad that you release content on this channel even though you don't really need to.
I talked to a buddy of mine who worked for a top hedge fund.. I remember him telling me factually that guys like you and me don’t end up running these places. As Asians the saying goes “the nail that sticks out gets hammered”
Thanks, Gary you are greatly appreciated. I have learned so much from your videos. I am binge-watching what you have already done. I look forward to your future videos!!!
I can totally relate to the power talk and office politics, a workaholic even now, stayed back after office hours when colleagues were hanging out. Got screwed severally, deals taken from me and all I could do was Nothing. At best I have decided to lay my own foundation, I think I bought a one way ticket off the bamboo ceiling. No regrets whatsoever 🙈
For some, one has to hate playing corporate games to the point where they are driven to entrepeneurship. Also, it's definitely good to have some perspective about the realistic outcomes from pursuing entrepeneurship. I think some of us that have tried know of the trials and trepedations that come along with paving your own path. For every Garry Tan, there's hundreds, if not more, guys that want to be Garry Tan and have failed in the process.
Gary, this is one of the most value-added videos I've ever seen in all my time spent on TH-cam since probably 2007. Thank you for introducing to us ribbonfarm.
Make sure to read Simon Sinek's Leaders Eat Last: Why Some Teams Pull Together And Others Don't. Argues that organizations without power games or internal conflict will do 10x better than those that do and how to design for it. It's the flipside for the 48 laws and changed how I thought about leadership.
Great video as usual thank you so much for sharing . I went through this situation and got fed up and bought a franchise to get rid of sociopaths. Nothing like being your own boss and control your time .
THIS! I’ve seen many of your videos, but this was so well said and done. Banana’s are to Asian, as Coconuts are to Indians growing up in the US (brown on the outside, white on the inside). It is all so crazy…thanks for sharing this.
There's so much value in this video, Thanks! One question from a loser/builder perspective: How do you start if you don't just want to become the chief sociopath? 🤔
Garry, thanks so much for putting this out there. Definitely resonated with me. Appreciate all of the great content you have! I have learned a lot from you. -Brian Wu
Wonderful. Can you please put links to the resources you have mentioned (The videos) in Description? Appreciated and good movement. We share many thoughts and you have the stage. Glad to have our voice heard and happy to support.
I clearly saw this when I worked, that's why I am now an Asian American multimillionaire millennial early retiree. I had to get out of the rat race with the endless cronyism and nepotism.
Definitely could use more resources and books on these kinds of topics. Great video and interesting example (The Office)! EDIT: Found 'Power talk' (a book) by McGinty, and went through it. Can highly recommend it as it fits some of the topics from this video.
Another amazing video. Though my advise would be more towards resilience and not let the mind take over. It is a complicated subject, I would say while the goals serve you, yes keep going but do not let the emotions take over.
Haha Garry unplugged! I love it. I've always followed the pareto principle (80/20). 80% will try to take credit, 20% will do all the work. Thanks for talking about this, not many are willing to do so.
The necessity for self promotion and subsequent stack ranking based on that is a very American thing which doesn’t translate to most other cultures in the world, not just East Asian. It’s seen as not genuine, cut throat, and toxic. In most European cultures we’re brought up to value humility and support those in need or with less power, for example.
Very motivating video Garry. FYI someone is pretending to be you and putting comments here. He has tricked TH-cam by using "Garry Tan . TH-cam" handle. Just wanted to let you know. I have already reported it to TH-cam.
wow, now I have principles and names to what I have known for so long. Also, not everyone is trying to chase the carrot up to the Sociopaths level. I would love to just be Jim and be happy haha
I’ve gotta say, what Gary said here is basically my life. Went into corporate, hit that bamboo ceiling. Had people steal my work and ideas, was never a self promoter, and then decided to work for myself. Best decision ever. If you’ve got the talent and you can build, go do it. Stop wasting time playing office politics. And truth be told, working in america or overseas, asians are looked at as non top management material. You’ve really got to be “white” culturally to even get along with top management and even then you can still feel some kind of difference because you’re asian, at least that was my experience. 90% of the people in top management were white and male. So meh, no office politics for me. Go build my own building. And that whole banana thing. My god I feel Gary, definitely don’t want to be a banana. Now I’m just me, an alien in this world. Working across continents and mixing in different languages and cultures. 👽
I don't want to discount your experience entirely, however have you tried considering that perhaps it is your perception only that makes you feel this way? Maybe you're projecting your own feelings towards other cultures and mirroring this back onto yourself? My experience in North America has been very positive in terms of racial and cultural inclusion, if not the most inclusive place on earth. After all, if you were to work in China or Japan you would find yourself in an extremely exclusive work environment typically 100% homogenous both "racially" (not a fan of this term) and culturally.
It's definitely not his perception. Upper management is culturally "white" in America, look at who's statistically the majority.
@@billaddison82 not projection
Wow, I had never heard of the Gervais Principle, but being enlightened to it now, it almost immediately made my extremely weird career trajectory make so much sense. I basically spent two years underperforming and driven mad as a "loser" in a successful unicorn, lost the plot at one point and just upped and left. Immediately fell into the startup space and was groomed by "sociopaths" to senior management level at a breakneck pace that even now is a bit difficult for me to comprehend the speed at which it happened. The momentum just never stopped but at least I know why now...
Garry, I'm 17...the videos and every contect of yours I keep track off. Really developed the perspective how top vc s like you have developed the aptitude of searching real talent and future brand operations making billions from scratch. Not predictions but real results based on intuitions....garry, thanks for everything. Keep going and inspire us
I m also 17
By observing your comment I can say that our generation "GenZ" will have some really great entrepreneurs (including me) and level of innovation would be gigantic .Btw I am 17 too
I m too
Hey guys, any of you into DeFi development?
Bamboo ceiling is the reason my cousin and friends move to Hong Kong or Singapore from Australia. One of them was pulled aside by well meaning manager and told she doesn’t fit culturally despite being fantastic staff, she doesn’t drink, chit chat after working hours or hanging out in pubs every Friday. You can go build your own ladder in private sector no prob , however imagine public sector ran by same mob who dismiss you and pass laws that only benefit their folks because rest of us can’t be bothered to fight it. Great content Gary, you earn a new sub!
Your friend will probably encounter the same problem in Hong Kong and Singapore. It is common for colleagues to socialise after work in these cities too. I think the drinking part is really optional and obviously not for everyone, however it is always a good idea to engage with colleagues socially to build a sense of team and bring more meaning to your work life.
@@billaddison82 She still lives in HK til this day. I should have elaborated by culturally fit in Australia (in my friend's corporate experience at least): dressing up for Melbourne cup day, interested in Cricket, AFL, Friday night drink etc. Of course none of this mentioned openly, none forced her and she was treated with respect hence she was grateful being pulled aside and told the truth. It irks her spectacular job performance isn't a guarantee to move to management circle.
@@Hendra23155 I totally understand. I have a female friend who is a person of colour who experienced the same issue in China, though a lot worse. They were extremely racist towards her and sexist due to her high-performance in the corporate workplace. She was able to work very hard to assimilate, as much as one can in such a homogenous country such as China, by learning the language, following the customs, sports etc. and trying to fit in as best she could despite the incessant racism she suffered daily in China.
@@Hendra23155 Being great analyst or SDE is different from managing a team of analysts or SDE. It takes high level of SI and EI to climb the corporate ladder successfully. It is not really everyone's cup of tea.
at least she is being told the truth and not some bullshit like your english is not good enough...
Just came across an email where a lesser experienced colleague got promoted into a role for which there were far better employees available with richer experience. And boom, here comes your video to calm my nerves. I feel we are gonna meet someday Garry. I don't know when but I have a strong gut feeling about it! Till then, keep posting your amazing content and inspiring us! Thank you! Godspeed! :D
As an Asian guy who spent years excelling in all of my jobs, I can attest to this bamboo ceiling. Multiple times, I am the top performer in all metrics, hold the most valuable knowledge of the company, and put in more work than anyone else. Yet everytime a promotion opportunity comes up, the least experienced person gets promoted because it was a girl the manager liked or was friends with. These employers always wondered why I left.
Spot on Garry. A big reason why I chose to “build my own skyscraper” and have never been happier and more fulfilled. Create your own success whether that’s in corporate or outside.
This was one of the main drivers to "take the plunge" into entrepreneurship. Great video, thanks.
Wow, so many amazing disparate references in here. I’ve never heard anyone reference The Office, Ribbonfarm, and 48 Laws of Power in one example. Really helps drive the point home.
"Know your worth" - that is where self-respect begins and then overnight, the world changes. Thanks Gary for addressing this malaise. Big fan of your videos. Looking forward to more collab between you and Justin !!
This resonates with me so much. I've been struggling as a software engineer for the past 5 years because of office politics and power talks. I've always hated relinquishing control over my life to these companies. I am fully aware of the "power talks" and how to participate in them (am I a sociopath?) but I can't stand any of it.
Been working on building my own house, brick by brick. Only a matter of time now before I'm free
Thanks Garry, I can relate to some of things you have mentioned. At the end of the day, you just got to do what puts a smile on your face and follow the golden rule.
Very nice, sir. Extracted a very rare comment from me. This is the simple truth and also the key to life and that's a wicked efficient composite. So, nice!
This is so relatable. Love the analogy of building a skyscraper when the OG ceilings are limiting you.
Garry - as a “long time” fan and subscriber of your channel - thank you for taking the time to address and provide your perspective on this topic. Never stop keeping it real.
You are a superstar Garry. I love your honesty and insight. Keep doing you!
This is why I subscribe to your channel. Thanks, Garry.
As an Asian who grew up in a foreign land, this hits hard. Love the Harry Kim reference. That hits me double hard.
thank you for the great content Garry, as a founder I am learning so much from this channel, God Bless you as we can only become better by learning from those who have walked the path before us. ✌🙏
Great video. I spent 18 years in Corporate America and I was terrible at Power Talk. I'm someone who graduated from Loser to Clueless and I didn't have the desire to play the game necessary to become a Sociopath. Now I'm doing my own thing and much happier.
Thanks Garry for making the video and point out all the true facts, It hurts but it's so real. As an Asian immigrate in tech, I'm in tears half way through the video... Thanks for speaking it out load and clear for all of us.
Good content Garry...this is great information no matter your age, ethnicity, or work experience.
Gary, Seriously. Thanks for passing on your wisdom to other fellow Asians working in tech and private equity. Fantastic video for saying something that really needed to be said.
This is really great... As an Asian American tech worker, I really appreciate your wisdom and experience. Im very glad that you release content on this channel even though you don't really need to.
I talked to a buddy of mine who worked for a top hedge fund.. I remember him telling me factually that guys like you and me don’t end up running these places.
As Asians the saying goes “the nail that sticks out gets hammered”
Very well explained! This has inspired me to make a video expanding on my experience of this topic too.
Garry was actually furious throughout the video... 😂
Garry is the gift that keeps on giving! also Garry if you ever feel pressure to make consistent content don’t worry we will always wait
Thanks, Gary you are greatly appreciated. I have learned so much from your videos. I am binge-watching what you have already done. I look forward to your future videos!!!
Absolutely right. I been there for the last 5 years with no prospect.
Garry's a god damn model man, Look at that intro
How refreshing is this. Been there too, Garry is a realist and that in itself is refreshing for the VC world. Telling you.
I can totally relate to the power talk and office politics, a workaholic even now, stayed back after office hours when colleagues were hanging out. Got screwed severally, deals taken from me and all I could do was Nothing. At best I have decided to lay my own foundation, I think I bought a one way ticket off the bamboo ceiling. No regrets whatsoever 🙈
Love your high quality uploads! Thank you so much.
At it again with another banger! Thanks Gary!
Wow! This video is an eye opener! Love it 👍
Love this. Very insightful. Thanks Gary
Thank you Garry for providing top notch content derive from your experience.
For some, one has to hate playing corporate games to the point where they are driven to entrepeneurship. Also, it's definitely good to have some perspective about the realistic outcomes from pursuing entrepeneurship. I think some of us that have tried know of the trials and trepedations that come along with paving your own path.
For every Garry Tan, there's hundreds, if not more, guys that want to be Garry Tan and have failed in the process.
Gary, this is one of the most value-added videos I've ever seen in all my time spent on TH-cam since probably 2007. Thank you for introducing to us ribbonfarm.
I needed this video 6 years ago... Thanks Garry for all the great info you share!
Wow....So powerful
What a weird coincidence that I am currently reading 48 Laws of Power and was confused about Law No 7. It sounded evil to me.
Make sure to read Simon Sinek's Leaders Eat Last: Why Some Teams Pull Together And Others Don't. Argues that organizations without power games or internal conflict will do 10x better than those that do and how to design for it. It's the flipside for the 48 laws and changed how I thought about leadership.
Great video as usual thank you so much for sharing . I went through this situation and got fed up and bought a franchise to get rid of sociopaths. Nothing like being your own boss and control your time .
THIS! I’ve seen many of your videos, but this was so well said and done. Banana’s are to Asian, as Coconuts are to Indians growing up in the US (brown on the outside, white on the inside). It is all so crazy…thanks for sharing this.
Yep
Love this Gary! Thank you for being so candid.
Good God, this was a window into my soul.
I can't believe how clueless I am about power talk. *Not for long.* Thanks for this!
Love that Vacheron overseas chronograph
I finally found someone who hold the same point of view on the 48 laws of power
I love Robert Green books, I read Mastry book almost 20 times and the 84 laws of power at least 6 times.
This is too good. Still can't believe its free. Thanks legend!
There's so much value in this video, Thanks! One question from a loser/builder perspective: How do you start if you don't just want to become the chief sociopath? 🤔
Find people you trust who can do the role well and draft behind them
One of your best videos to date mate!
Simply inspiring. Thank you Garry!
Garry, thanks so much for putting this out there. Definitely resonated with me. Appreciate all of the great content you have! I have learned a lot from you. -Brian Wu
Hey Garry... Love your thought process and also the NFT🔥🔥🔥
This feels so relatable
Your videos are so good. EVERYONE coming work in the American culture should to watch this one!
I can't imagine Garry raging lol. Such a chill guy!
Wonderful. Can you please put links to the resources you have mentioned (The videos) in Description?
Appreciated and good movement. We share many thoughts and you have the stage. Glad to have our voice heard and happy to support.
Can so relate to this, its a story of most large corporates, specially those who claim big on meritocracy
its not meritocracy more like nepotism...
Great advice...thanks Gary
Great video, Garry! Love the multiple references, particularly to The Office
Inspiring stuff. Just started a new job. So this is a perfect time to read into all this. But first I shall finish my book on Karma!
I clearly saw this when I worked, that's why I am now an Asian American multimillionaire millennial early retiree. I had to get out of the rat race with the endless cronyism and nepotism.
@@curiosityshop2297 Read my book
Definitely could use more resources and books on these kinds of topics. Great video and interesting example (The Office)!
EDIT: Found 'Power talk' (a book) by McGinty, and went through it. Can highly recommend it as it fits some of the topics from this video.
Gary, great series from you. I love them. Thanks for sharing.
Harry Kim: The Forever Ensign. Kinda reminds me of the ep of Picard had he not taken risks. Except Harry Kim did take risks. Haha.
Hello Mr Tan, it is Mariam saying 🙋👍🤜 well understood...... keeping going.
Hello Mr Tan, Ok sure 🙋
Thank you, Garry.
I wish I could like this video twice. But I can't, so I'm commenting here.
Amazing video. Keep it up, Garry!
Amazing content brotha! 💪🏾💯, I myself @my second corporate job!
Thanks a lot Garry.
Really good vid. Could be a . Series on this topic. 48 laws of power. Author. Green.
Another amazing video. Though my advise would be more towards resilience and not let the mind take over. It is a complicated subject, I would say while the goals serve you, yes keep going but do not let the emotions take over.
I so needed to see this right now.
Haha Garry unplugged! I love it. I've always followed the pareto principle (80/20). 80% will try to take credit, 20% will do all the work. Thanks for talking about this, not many are willing to do so.
@garrytan are you reading my mind with your words? Thank you for articulating this and posting this and sharing 👍
Thank you for this informative and inspiring video.
This is great talk, build your own castle regardless.
Thanks gary for this video
The necessity for self promotion and subsequent stack ranking based on that is a very American thing which doesn’t translate to most other cultures in the world, not just East Asian. It’s seen as not genuine, cut throat, and toxic. In most European cultures we’re brought up to value humility and support those in need or with less power, for example.
Great video
Since your tytles are similar its great that u have different shows that are rememberer so u know when u didnt wacht it. Thanks
My connections, my code, my concepts 😤
Cool. The unwritten rules of workplace
very true about promotion of Asian American
Is this content on Spotify or any other app I can use to listen to podcasts? Would love to listen to this content while driving
Amazing content G !!
Now I have a question. How to stop these politics to happen to my own house (company or startup)?
Very motivating video Garry. FYI someone is pretending to be you and putting comments here. He has tricked TH-cam by using "Garry Tan . TH-cam" handle. Just wanted to let you know. I have already reported it to TH-cam.
Haha what an irony. Garry liked my comment and I saw a spelling mistake and corrected it... boom, his like is gone. Thanks TH-cam..😁
wow, now I have principles and names to what I have known for so long. Also, not everyone is trying to chase the carrot up to the Sociopaths level. I would love to just be Jim and be happy haha
Yes I thought this is what was going on. Time to kick ass, come on builders
Wow. I will build my house. How can I send you / initialized the Pitchdeck?
Brilliant…
Goddamn. This hits.
2:05 Hodinkee?
yt recommendations compounds the power of law of attraction
Sidebar: One of the possible reasons Harry Kim had a hard time getting a promotion was due to being stranded 70,000 light years from earth, perhaps.