Mark Webber said it - Norris has been in F1 for 6 years, Piastri is in his second season, so there is a seniority, but Piastri is showing serious talent and steadiness behind the wheel, he may well outshine Norris.
@@billynordqvist7139 Its not too early to say... Lando has 2 wins and Oscar has 1... Oscar does appear to have the steadier mindset. Long term, I'd have Oscar > Lando.. Lando has been receiving British bias over the years and over hyped him. He's good but he'd be lucky to win 1 world title by the time he retires.
You should have asked Mark the point at which he and Oscar decided that McLaren was the better option over Alpine at the time. That decision alone was a master stroke.
the thing with Oscar... he only knows how to win...Lando knows how to lose...i hate to say it.. i like Chuck...but Oscars got it over him.. its easy to see that Oscar is clearly more the mature personality and driver than Lando
@@leftmono1016 ....how many seasons for lando vs oscar? ...clearly Oscar is coming through faster.... ...oh wait... car blah blah this...car blah blah that.... lando has had a few more opportunities to win and blew em with his own bad calls
@@WacKEDmaN you appear to be putting juvenile words into my mouth. Current standings Lando is better. Tbh, I think Oscar is a very, very good driver and may prove to be a lot better than Lando in the long run. But he hasn’t got there yet.
@@leftmono1016 juvenile words?! what?!...all im saying is give Oscar the same amount of time Chucks had to get up to speed with the cars...clearly he has got up to speed already...where Lando still struggles with things like his starts.. Oscar shouldnt have been able to go around the outside of Lando last race, if they were equal drivers!.. Lando needs some of that Chuck Norris in him if hes to take the WDC!.. Oscars not gonna wait around for him...
I think he asked before hand not to speak about those questions and they didnt as him JACK SHIT... No Papaya rules, no contract no nothing... Waste of time
Yeah they bottled it on the main questions, they are not sky f1 loser team tho dont need to go that in, cant be putting the legend in a compromised position
He is a spoiled brat, never grew up since his first day in F1 6 years ago. Had to wait until this year to win his first GP just because his car is so dominant . No doubt Oscar will completely dominate him very soon.
@@jordanw24 pole position ,lando 6 , Oscar 0 . Always that’s how you decided who was the fastest driver but some people want to reinvent the wheel and just make immature comments.
I have to wonder though, it's fine for team principles and owners to do what's best for the team bla bla bla, but as the driver, if that means you miss out on your dream, which is to be world champion, why would you be loyal.
Number two drivers is a joke your saying you have to give up your career to help someone else win , so really the number one driver is not winning on merit
You don’t give up a career just by helping your higher placed team mate. Team orders is a no-brainer in order to get a driver in that team to the top. If a team’s drivers help each other out and finish 1,3 in the driver standings, that’s better than 2,3.
Number 2 drivers are a product of the competitiveness in F1 and are by far from being a joke. They provide vital support and in many seasons some no2s have been the biggest reason their team mate won. It's like saying subs are stupid. They're not good enough to be the star of the team but they ARE good enough to do a vital job in securing championships.
@@dotconnector3889 - helping your team isn’t sacrificing your career is it? What it does, is give your team mate the chance to win the title. That’s massive for the team. Do you think that a drivers career only lasts one season? You’re either very new to F1 or aren’t very bright. Or both.
At this stage, its obvious that Oscar has greater potential than Lando. Lando has had six years and still makes too many mistakes to be a consistent contender while Oscar just needs to get his qualifying sessions a bit more consistent in order to consistently challenge at the front. He is CLEARLY progressing each weekend and quietly getting on with his job.
This. And it's worth remembering that Mika Hakkinen was faster over a lap than Schumacher, but didn't necessarily mean Schumacher wasn't one of the greats. Same could be said for Prost.
Don’t forget that Lando f’d it outta T2. Oversteer and Pastry had the better exit and simply knew it was his one chance to pass before P2 was max result.
Yes. He is. Lando is mid like Riccardo, this coming from an aussie, was. Win a few races here and there but no championship. Oscar is on a Lewis and Max level, a future world champion.
Oscar will risk his entire career if Lando wins WDC, he will be a Bottas for the rest of his career. It looks like British media is going through all the five stages of grief after realizing Oscar is faster and more talented than Lando.
The McLaren was superior from the first race of the season, but the drivers were not able to show it. Oscar because of his experience and Lando because of his constant errors. We had to wait few months to see the domination since the gap between the McLaren and the rest of the pack had increased significantly. Lando doesn't learn from his mistakes, blame others, while Oscar learn at every race and is improving constantly. If he is slightly slower than Lando, he is way more reliable and can compensate the gap. It is clear he will pass him very soon. Lando uses and abuses his status of favorites at McLaren for years against the other driver, but this time, I have the feeling he will lose the internal rivalry war.
I love these conversations. Technical, interesting, fun and engaging. McLaren have a glorious driver line up. Now they are the top team the spotlight is on them. Lando is extremely fast and recent focus has been on his starts. Personally, I think he needs to be more aggressive in wheel to wheel fights. Get his arms out so to speak. Oscar is learning fast and that stunning, sublime move on Lando at Monza clearly shows this young man has intent. Will the close of the 24 season and 25 be these two drivers going head to head for the drivers title. Quite possibly. On current form perhaps Lando has the edge but Oscar is getting stronger every race. It can only add to the thrill for us the audience, added to the Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes closeness of performance. 😊
Agreed The cars today are too big for the tracks and need to be reduced so so much in size and weight to create better racing and more attitude from the cars to make watching more interesting .
I think Lando is currently 0.005% quicker in optimal conditions, but Oscar's falloff when things don't go to plan strategically is less than Lando's. An ideal race goes Lando's way. A messy race is likely to go Oscar's. And Oscar is willing to provoke (but not cause) wrinkles elsewhere in the field. He's not going to mess with Lando intentionally (they are teammates), but if making a bold overtake on say Sainz helps Oscar's race, but might mess with Lando's strategy, he probably won't back out of it to protect Lando's WDC bid.
@@PaulAston-sr3vb Quali doesn't matter if you cant convert it to race. Look at Russell-Hamilton. Russell is slapping Hamilton in quali, but the complete opposite in the race.
@@PaulAston-sr3vb Yes, but the Quali h2h between the 2 is very misleading if you look at it on paper. The gap between the two has always been at least tenth on average. Norris is only just a fraction ahead of Piastri if you look at it as a whole.
I like both drivers, but Norris has had the measure of Piastri in pretty much every department. Norris needs to sort his starts and be a bit more aggressive… It will be interesting to see who comes out on top next year, as Piastri is definitely getting closer
Norris is marginally ahead in qualifying pace, and he's had 6 years with the team. Piastri has been usually just hundredths off and is much more consistent in races. I think he's the stronger driver. Norris is fast, no question, but he reminds me of a Jarno Trulli type driver - fast, but just not "it".
That magic maneuver was Oscars skill, not lando backing off. Oscar was along side him, thus by the rules to be given racing room. Lando braking later would've locked up so that would've been a torpedo max move. Nope, Lando got out driven, simple, Oscar drove away from Lando. As Lando said, if he wants the position, tell him to catch up! Acase of the biter getting bitten!
If you have a front row lock out then whoever wins the race to the first corner should be protected by the other driver and get preference on pit stops. BUT, if the the lead driver can’t keep up the pace then the second driver should be let past. It’s no good to have a front row lockout and lose the race. They’re called team orders for a reason. It’s a TEAM!
Eddie is 100% correct about Shumacher he had #1 status in his contract unless he falls huge amount of points behind due to reliability or crashing out and half way point would then be placed as #2 and there as a support role
Here's the Deal. Piastri is a killer. Just like Schumacher, Verstappen, Senna, Prost. Lando is super fast but too nice of a guy. I would rather get a beer with Lando but given the choice , I would rather have Piastri in my car. With just that move at Monza, Piastri is the future.
DC if you want an interesting guest interview Mr Dan Partel. Lets talk about the state and future of the junior category's. The Tommy Byrne Syndrome is still alive. Plenty of talented Young Champions being over looked because other are powered by cash.
It was the 2nd race of the season. As it was early in the season, RB wanted to protect the engines as there is a limited amount of engines they are allowed to use. Finally which is usual for most teams, the driver that is ahead of their team mate gets the first choice in pit stops and that is the team orders that Mark is alluding to. But as Mark said, Vettel was being challenged by Lewis and so Seb got preferential treatment with the timing of the pit stops. If Webber had the preference with the pit stops, Mark would have easily won the race.
@@tomnewham1269 oh my mistake, so yes by the second race in they should firmly have team orders in place 🤣 That had nothing to do with engines. Red bull had deals where if a particular driver had 1st place at a particular point that driver would win. Sometimes it was who finished the first lap in first, who gets to turn 1 and holds it first, and on other occasions who gets pole. It had nothing to with engine saving, it was to get them not to race and take each other off on a podium position because RB didn't trust them not to
Given how many races are left and Max's lead I do think McLaren has to get behind Lando if they want a chance of winning the driver's title this year. It's not a given that McLaren will be the strongest car for each and every circuit. Lando needs to heavily outscore Max each race from now until the end of the season.
None of this would have happened if Lando had gotten a better start. IDK what he is working on between races.. but to fail to secure a W when starting on POLE is pretty appalling by F1 standards... on multiple occasions this year.
Lando is a great driver and one one of the fastest. I’m a Piastri fan but if Lando can get the starts right he will win the championship. Give Oscar 1more year and he could be sensational if he isn’t already.
To state the obvious, if Lando and Max take each other out, which isn't unrealistic as the pressure increases and Oscar wins, he's only 19 points away from Lando. 18 away if he takes the fastest lap. At that point, it's not unrealistic to say he can finish ahead of Lando if he has any reliability issues.
Am I the only one that doesn't think it was such a great move? Piastri was racing a guy that has one hand behind his back. Piastri was fighting for his ego with nothing to lose. Lando was thinking of a driver's championship and keeping out of trouble.
Yeah you’re the only one. Context is irrelevant. Go play the game there is no space to make a move there even with lando maybe breaking it’s still an incredibly tough move
Anyone remember the awkward bear hug from the back on Vettel by Webber? This was after Webber retired and became an F1 commentator. Clearly still friction between those two.
Coulthard & Webber, great at creating controversy, McLaren need not allow you guys to initiate division as did Jos do for RedBull. Piastri should shut down Webber antagonism before it impacts his F1 career. Jos & Webber don’t know how to behave in public.
Monza was a one off, take Zanvoort for example, unless Piastri can get on top of his tyre management problems, he will only be as good as he is now. He usually finished 15-20 seconds behind lando because he can't mange them even after what 34 races. Even in the final stint at monza Lando made time on Oscar.
@@marcpaola1371 Lando have done 6 seasons, and Oscar have not even done 2 seasons. Oscar is getting better and better by every race. Oscar is already far ahead when it comes to the mental part. So do you honostly think Lando will be better then Oscar in 2 or 3 years ?
@@danni260382yes, Oscar is definitely progressing and is getting better. Also no objections about his mental stability. Re experience - I don't buy a comment that 2 years racing in F1 is too less to compare two drivers. As for me it's quite a bit of a time to develop a confidence.
McLaren have probably got two seasons to get championship with current regulations Piastri getting points for team as important as taking them off May to help Lando once he is out of contention...
It would be incredibly dumb to ask Piastri to play second fiddle. Lando has at best a 10% chance of catching Max, so would it make sense to risk losing Piastri to another team for a 10% sniff at the title?
Lando learned that you can't trust Oscar to help him for the rest of the season. Oscar is only driving for himself. He should not treat him as a teammate anymore. He should be a lot more aggressive when defending against Oscar and if this means making contact then so be it. Maybe McLaren should learn the hard way when they take each other out during a race that they can't let their drivers race this late in the season because then they wouldn't even win the Constructor never mind the Drivers Champs. Ferrari is just 31 points behind them with a car that is looking better with every race. McLaren could easily be passed by them in the championship if they keep fighting each other.
Oscar found out that he cannot trust Lando in Budapest! He learned Lando is a slimy twerp who only agrees to team orders when they benefit him. He was given the lead by the team in Budapest, with the agreement that it was to be given back, he was absolutely going to steal the race if the team hadn't read the riot act. Lando is the one who is not a team player!
@@markhill9275How do you know that Lando would not have let Oscar by?? Are you a mind reader?? Don't forget that Oscar almost crashed into Lando in the first corner. Lando pushed Max off the track just to evade Oscar's divebomb move.
@izakslabbert3534 Are you serious? Did you not watch Budapest, listen to his ranting on the radio? In fact they had to ask for a radio check because he would not answer. Lando is a slimy whingeing pom that you can trust about as much as you could the Poms who sent the Diggers to land on Gallipoli. Grow up, stop being a Lando fannyboy!
@izakslabbert3534 Are you serious? Did you not watch Budapest, did you not listen to Lando's rants on the radio, did you not hear the radio check when he refused to answer? He was fullty intending to shaft Oscar, He was running in clear air, Oscar running in dirty air, and he says tell him to catch up, knowing full well that was impossible in dirty air! He wanted to humiliate Oscar, and stole the pure joy of an untainted first win. Nope, Lando is a slimy whingeing pom. About as trustworthy as the British Admiralty that sent Aussie Diggers to the slaughter at Gallipoli, knowing full well what they were doing!
Shots at driver's championships are not given, they are earned or taken. Same with clear priority within a team, Lando has not earned the right to command priority over Piastri like what Michael did at Ferrari, where he was without question the number 1.
Always like Mark W. He is more honest,straightforward, no racist view like David C. n E. J. The way they comment about Sir Lewis Hamilton. They never talk about Max showing his tantrums to his engineer n the swear words he uses.fm- England 🇬🇧 U.K.
Thank you David, Eddie and Mark for years of the most entertaining racing back when the cars were bitch'in and not some goofy looking school bus sized sled with sewing machines for engines. Liberty Media has made F1 into a joke. WEC Rocks and has replaced F1 as the premier race series!
Oscar's move was 30% short of Peroni's duche factor (Imola '82), where Montoya's move on Schuf at the real "bus stop" chicane is still the best clean pass I recall (Spa 200?).
Only one way to handle selfish drivers not following team orders - pass or take them out trying to do so. Seb, like Max with DR, was treated like cheeky behaviour as he really wanted it. Where's the desire for the victim to abide in all future team order situations?
You should improve Lando's "start of races, and mental" stats. Then he will maybe become champion. For now it seems Oscar is the better bet for a future McLaren champion
This podcast needs some work…settle down and relax fellas - be yourselves! Coulthard - I still remember you stuck behind the Arrows at Monaco for 40 laps. Shouldn’t have cut that deal with Mika at Melbourne… Mark - your best title chance was 2010, Korea burned… Eddie - amazing things in late 90s, particularly’99.
that "magic" maneuver was only possible because Norris didnt want to collide with team mate, because McLaren rules... if that was anybody else, he would close the door on him... And that "magic" maneuver caused Norris to lose position to Leclerc... so Piatri opportunistic move cost McLaren 1-2 and ability to control the race... I bet next time, Norris will close the door, and they will collide.. Piastri will be blamed but McLaren will lose a lot of points... McLaren needs to adopt simple rule - you can fight in Quali.. in race, you keep positions, unless team mate has problems... whoever wins Quali is the priority driver for the race.
That “magic” maneuver was only possible because Lando braked so early for that corner. “If that was anybody else”, they wouldn’t have given Oscar a sniff. I mean Lando braked so early - it was ridiculous.
I fully agree with the above comment! It's not Oscar did a great maneuver - it's Lando allowed him to do it as believed in the agreement. Next time it will be a collision!!! And Mclaren will earn zero points! What a stupid belief by giving both to fight might help them to take constructor's cup. Also a good proposal on the priority. If Oscar is so great let him take a pole. Otherwise shut your ambitions up for this season and help us to enjoy the fight for Driver's Cup in the end of the season. If not then Max will be celebrating 4th title 3 races ahead of the race in Abu Dhabi.
@@aydarsaitgaleev9846 Lando didn’t allow him. Lando braked a full post code early before the corner. Lando took it easy. He needs to be on it all the time. And without team orders, Oscar can do what he wants. Blame the team if you’re not getting what you want.
@@touringband I never said it should be team orders. I only mean being smart. The chance Oscar take a title this season is minimal. Then, if you didn't take a pole and didn't take 1st corner then please just support your team mate! I guarantee next time there will be a collision if Oscar decide to repeat what he did in Monza. Why? Because he never took a lesson. He thinks now Lando will let him pass every time he wants. It will not be like that. Unfortunatly for us it might cost us a lost of interesting battle for the title in between Max and Lando. Otherwise, if Lando allows Oscar to pass again - he is not a champion then. That would be very pity considering his speed in general.
@@aydarsaitgaleev9846 “please just support your team mate”. Haha. what driver takes it upon themselves to support their team mate? The only fair comparison in f1 is the comparison to your team mate. You live in a fairy land if you think drivers want to help each other and go out of their way to lose to help someone else. If a team wants to support a particular driver then they must implement team orders. Lando has to get his first laps under control.
Points on the board this season. Norris joined the team when it wasnt as dominant as it is now, Piastri walked into the team at a very good time. Good overtakes or nothing to lose divebombs against Norris ( team mate !! ) and Leclerc. Not denying he is a very promising and present talent.
People discussing team orders but for me the point is Lando is not really drive good, hard and smart enough for be a contender alongside Max to win this championship... He needs do way better starts, betteer wheel to wheel battles and receive better strategy from the team too...
Piastri is far superior, it's not even close. They are now telling Piastri to let Norris win. If Norris is better, then clearly this wouldn't be an issue. This is only Piastri's 2nd year. He's only going to get better. I don't think McLaren was expecting him to compete with Norris, much less outperforming him this soon.
@@aoife1122 agree. Gloves will be off from Baku, I sense. It’s a double edged sword tho. We want team mates racing, but also to neutralize RBR, Ferrari and MB, who can only benefit from inter teammate gung-ho isms. Cant really have it both ways.
I know of no metric that indicates Piastri is faster than Lando. In fact in points and qually Lando has mopped the floor with the little snake. Piastri has a big future in motorsports most likely Indycar when Lando is done with him.
Just a reminder of overall stats: Norris: 2 races won and 13 podiums Piastri: 1 race won, 1 sprint race won and 7 podiums For me Piastri is getting better and reducing the initial season gap (next year will be another story)
Very biased as suspected opposite side of fence to shy f1, still okay podcast tho. But you guys know mclaren are throwing away the title, but you cant have the correct opinion on it due to david and webber bromance
Probably the least biased input you will get. Sky F1 is so British biased that the rest of the world doesn’t take it seriously. Coulthard and Jordan are honest and blunt, they’re also putting forth points everyone outside of the UK and females under 30 are saying. Lando hasn’t put himself in a position to be an out and out number 1
Not really. Only Hungary did they outright make a choice that hurt their title shot. What were they suppose to do in monza? Oscar was fighting for a win and lando wasn’t. Lando couldn’t keep up. And on top of that if Norris wins none of us will care the title will be meaningless and unimpressive. Norris got exposed this year and if he wins is probably the worst and least deserving champion in the modern era
I don't understand it well....because I really experience this as undermining Lando's qualities! I don't understand where this urgent need comes from to want to praise Oscar Piastri so much? Lando is the same age as Oscar right? Lando has been the better driver in the same car this entire season right? Lando is well ahead of Oscar on points right? Lando even had to drop 7 points at the expense of Oscar's first Grand Prix victory which he didn't win on his own strength right? The action in Monza that Oscar made on Lando was because Lando made a mistake himself and was not because of Oscar's brilliance right? So what are you doing or do you just not like Lando or something? Lando has the chance to win his first world title and not Oscar because then he would have to beat Lando first besides Max and Charles right? And we don't think that chance is great right? Max is currently in a tractor and not Lando and Oscar right?
Mark looked very stum, not willing to join in the criticism of McLaren in not planning for Piastri's 2nd corner move..... no revelation of what was going on in McLaren from him.
_Does it matter that Oscar thinks/feels he's better than Lando???_ Norris is having the better/more consistent yr with a DNF. Be a team player. Period.
What a load of rubbish to listen to honestly… „There’s only 40 points between Lando and Oscar, but Lando is over 60 behind Verstappen, so it’s a difficult call”… If Mclaren follows that logic, they’ve given the championship away to Verstappen - there’s simply too few races left and IT IS ASSUMING THAT RED BULL IS NOT GOING TO FIND THEIR FORM BACK AT SOME POINT. If they butcher it and Max becomes the 24 champion because of that, everybody’s gonna start hating on Mclaren.
Piastri is to Lando as Rosberg was to Lewis ... a very good driver that is causing issues.. and capable of pushing a superstar hard. A good thing of your the best team.. a bad thing of your trying to catch redbull and verstappen
Mark Webber said it - Norris has been in F1 for 6 years, Piastri is in his second season, so there is a seniority, but Piastri is showing serious talent and steadiness behind the wheel, he may well outshine Norris.
Way to early to know or say. The car lando has driven over the few years havent been good enough.
@@billynordqvist7139 Its not too early to say... Lando has 2 wins and Oscar has 1... Oscar does appear to have the steadier mindset. Long term, I'd have Oscar > Lando..
Lando has been receiving British bias over the years and over hyped him. He's good but he'd be lucky to win 1 world title by the time he retires.
@@jeremywills1914they're both very average
@@Malc180s I didn't wanna catch the heat but yes.
@@jeremywills1914 Oscar has 2 if you count his sprint win last year.
You should have asked Mark the point at which he and Oscar decided that McLaren was the better option over Alpine at the time. That decision alone was a master stroke.
they had no choice. Alpine had Ocon and Alonzo and let Oscars contract lapse.
When was the last time alpine were good?
The new wind tunnel would be the most sophisticated on the grid
the groundwork laid by Ron Dennis
@@TrumpAndKamila that’s what the OP is referring to
Only an idiot could choose Alpine ...
My gut feeling is Oscar will soon take over Lando, he's so quietly confident.
McLaren are favouring him massively, they must see extra potential that hasn’t translated to the track yet
Amazing podcast and Mark Webber was the perfect guest given the situation. Keep it up!
the thing with Oscar... he only knows how to win...Lando knows how to lose...i hate to say it.. i like Chuck...but Oscars got it over him.. its easy to see that Oscar is clearly more the mature personality and driver than Lando
He seemed to know how to win at Zandvort. And to post a fastest lap on old tyres on the last lap at Monza was world champion class.
And yet he’s behind Lando in the current standings, with no team orders.
@@leftmono1016 ....how many seasons for lando vs oscar? ...clearly Oscar is coming through faster....
...oh wait... car blah blah this...car blah blah that.... lando has had a few more opportunities to win and blew em with his own bad calls
@@WacKEDmaN you appear to be putting juvenile words into my mouth.
Current standings Lando is better.
Tbh, I think Oscar is a very, very good driver and may prove to be a lot better than Lando in the long run. But he hasn’t got there yet.
@@leftmono1016 juvenile words?! what?!...all im saying is give Oscar the same amount of time Chucks had to get up to speed with the cars...clearly he has got up to speed already...where Lando still struggles with things like his starts.. Oscar shouldnt have been able to go around the outside of Lando last race, if they were equal drivers!..
Lando needs some of that Chuck Norris in him if hes to take the WDC!.. Oscars not gonna wait around for him...
“Magic overtake” by Oscar. Nuff said.
surgical precision
Norris: Puts car on pole
Piastri: Not bad for a #2 driver
Pity you don’t get points for pole. Doesn’t seem to help him.
...and then immediately squanders it. He wrestled the title of pole pisser from LEC. Golf clap 👏
Leclerc was thankful for the inch...
Almost puts car into the pole on pity entry* 😂
@@touringbandyou don’t get many points or wins by qualifying P10 or P5 either 👍
I can't believe neither of you asked Webber if Piastri has a contract that guarantees him joint number 1 status.
I think he asked before hand not to speak about those questions and they didnt as him JACK SHIT... No Papaya rules, no contract no nothing... Waste of time
Mark would have said don't ask as I can't answer, obviously contract details are private
Yeah they bottled it on the main questions, they are not sky f1 loser team tho dont need to go that in, cant be putting the legend in a compromised position
Obviously those questions cannot be answered. There is something known as an NDA. Plus why would you tell your competitors
During the podcast they kept referring the situation as "Having 2 #1 drivers"
Lando is weak-minded, whiny, and HORRIBLE on the first lap-7 for 7 at NOT leading the first lap after getting pole. Insane.
Yawn
@@Sean22ei: True. How many pole starts has Max lost?
He is a spoiled brat, never grew up since his first day in F1 6 years ago. Had to wait until this year to win his first GP just because his car is so dominant . No doubt Oscar will completely dominate him very soon.
@@jordanw24 pole position ,lando 6 , Oscar 0 . Always that’s how you decided who was the fastest driver but some people want to reinvent the wheel and just make immature comments.
@@Sean22ei Oscar has driven 1/5 the amount of races as Oscar but
I have to wonder though, it's fine for team principles and owners to do what's best for the team bla bla bla, but as the driver, if that means you miss out on your dream, which is to be world champion, why would you be loyal.
Lando , he’s a scoundrel ,
You’d like him
Number two drivers is a joke your saying you have to give up your career to help someone else win , so really the number one driver is not winning on merit
You don’t give up a career just by helping your higher placed team mate.
Team orders is a no-brainer in order to get a driver in that team to the top.
If a team’s drivers help each other out and finish 1,3 in the driver standings, that’s better than 2,3.
Number 2 drivers are a product of the competitiveness in F1 and are by far from being a joke. They provide vital support and in many seasons some no2s have been the biggest reason their team mate won. It's like saying subs are stupid. They're not good enough to be the star of the team but they ARE good enough to do a vital job in securing championships.
@leftmono1016
"You don't give up your career"...proceeds to explain how you give up your career 😂
@@dotconnector3889 - helping your team isn’t sacrificing your career is it? What it does, is give your team mate the chance to win the title. That’s massive for the team.
Do you think that a drivers career only lasts one season? You’re either very new to F1 or aren’t very bright. Or both.
@leftmono1016 cool, so if it's great to do that, and no biggie, then let Lando help Oscar win the WDC. Problem solved. Everyone wins.
as an aussie, keep those cards closer to ur chest mark (i noted some body language, as an outsider) is all im saying. be the elite manager.
At this stage, its obvious that Oscar has greater potential than Lando. Lando has had six years and still makes too many mistakes to be a consistent contender while Oscar just needs to get his qualifying sessions a bit more consistent in order to consistently challenge at the front. He is CLEARLY progressing each weekend and quietly getting on with his job.
This. And it's worth remembering that Mika Hakkinen was faster over a lap than Schumacher, but didn't necessarily mean Schumacher wasn't one of the greats. Same could be said for Prost.
The real money for an F1 driver comes in their sponsorship of products.
I am neutral when Mc laren comes in to it but Piastri is obviously a better driver but Norris has more experience …
Don’t forget that Lando f’d it outta T2. Oversteer and Pastry had the better exit and simply knew it was his one chance to pass before P2 was max result.
Yes. He is. Lando is mid like Riccardo, this coming from an aussie, was. Win a few races here and there but no championship.
Oscar is on a Lewis and Max level, a future world champion.
Oscar will risk his entire career if Lando wins WDC, he will be a Bottas for the rest of his career.
It looks like British media is going through all the five stages of grief after realizing Oscar is faster and more talented than Lando.
😂
You have to be joking right? Piastri is adored by all media including British and Lando is vilified.
Oh, hi Mark
The McLaren was superior from the first race of the season, but the drivers were not able to show it. Oscar because of his experience and Lando because of his constant errors. We had to wait few months to see the domination since the gap between the McLaren and the rest of the pack had increased significantly. Lando doesn't learn from his mistakes, blame others, while Oscar learn at every race and is improving constantly. If he is slightly slower than Lando, he is way more reliable and can compensate the gap. It is clear he will pass him very soon. Lando uses and abuses his status of favorites at McLaren for years against the other driver, but this time, I have the feeling he will lose the internal rivalry war.
I love these conversations. Technical, interesting, fun and engaging. McLaren have a glorious driver line up. Now they are the top team the spotlight is on them. Lando is extremely fast and recent focus has been on his starts. Personally, I think he needs to be more aggressive in wheel to wheel fights. Get his arms out so to speak. Oscar is learning fast and that stunning, sublime move on Lando at Monza clearly shows this young man has intent. Will the close of the 24 season and 25 be these two drivers going head to head for the drivers title. Quite possibly. On current form perhaps Lando has the edge but Oscar is getting stronger every race. It can only add to the thrill for us the audience, added to the Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes closeness of performance. 😊
OP81 is already the number 1 driver IMHO.
Agreed The cars today are too big for the tracks and need to be reduced so so much in size and weight to create better racing and more attitude from the cars to make watching more interesting .
YES FFS just needs to continue progress on tire deg, but Pastry is overall faster. And has larger balls and isn’t a baby.
Fastest overall? Are you quite sure about that? The qualifying results would say different.
I think Lando is currently 0.005% quicker in optimal conditions, but Oscar's falloff when things don't go to plan strategically is less than Lando's.
An ideal race goes Lando's way. A messy race is likely to go Oscar's. And Oscar is willing to provoke (but not cause) wrinkles elsewhere in the field.
He's not going to mess with Lando intentionally (they are teammates), but if making a bold overtake on say Sainz helps Oscar's race, but might mess with Lando's strategy, he probably won't back out of it to protect Lando's WDC bid.
@@PaulAston-sr3vb Quali doesn't matter if you cant convert it to race. Look at Russell-Hamilton. Russell is slapping Hamilton in quali, but the complete opposite in the race.
@@jimmystoney8029 but Piastri isn’t slapping Norris in races. They are pretty evenly matched on race pace.
@@PaulAston-sr3vb Yes, but the Quali h2h between the 2 is very misleading if you look at it on paper. The gap between the two has always been at least tenth on average. Norris is only just a fraction ahead of Piastri if you look at it as a whole.
I like both drivers, but Norris has had the measure of Piastri in pretty much every department. Norris needs to sort his starts and be a bit more aggressive…
It will be interesting to see who comes out on top next year, as Piastri is definitely getting closer
Norris is marginally ahead in qualifying pace, and he's had 6 years with the team. Piastri has been usually just hundredths off and is much more consistent in races. I think he's the stronger driver. Norris is fast, no question, but he reminds me of a Jarno Trulli type driver - fast, but just not "it".
That magic maneuver was Oscars skill, not lando backing off. Oscar was along side him, thus by the rules to be given racing room. Lando braking later would've locked up so that would've been a torpedo max move. Nope, Lando got out driven, simple, Oscar drove away from Lando. As Lando said, if he wants the position, tell him to catch up! Acase of the biter getting bitten!
If you have a front row lock out then whoever wins the race to the first corner should be protected by the other driver and get preference on pit stops. BUT, if the the lead driver can’t keep up the pace then the second driver should be let past. It’s no good to have a front row lockout and lose the race. They’re called team orders for a reason. It’s a TEAM!
Piastri is mature young talent, while Lando is still a child. Of course Piastri is #1.
Sam7my1ed he still is on more money than you will ever dream of 😂😂 - sad
@@Flippingwolfresells Yeah I am just a poor fan I know, but still Oscar is better.
Not number 1 until he out qualifies and wins more races than lando fact.
@@Sam7my1edOscar isn’t better according to the driver standings.
The points standings say otherwise
Eddie is 100% correct about Shumacher he had #1 status in his contract unless he falls huge amount of points behind due to reliability or crashing out and half way point would then be placed as #2 and there as a support role
People have argued with me when i say Max will win the WDC, and the last race just reaffirms that belief.
Oh yeah, such a controversial view thinking the guy currently 62 points ahead will win it....
@@visiblekoment🙄
@@jackhamilton5250 not controversial to consider it when the mclaren is easily the fastest car and the redbull struggles to beat mercedes
@@jackhamilton5250I mean if Hamilton was driving that mclaren we would think it’s impossible for max to win
@jackhamilton5250 you beat me to it 😂
Here's the Deal. Piastri is a killer. Just like Schumacher, Verstappen, Senna, Prost. Lando is super fast but too nice of a guy. I would rather get a beer with Lando but given the choice , I would rather have Piastri in my car. With just that move at Monza, Piastri is the future.
@Retrograde92 but the race was salvaged by the car, not the skill of the driver
DC if you want an interesting guest interview Mr Dan Partel. Lets talk about the state and future of the junior category's. The Tommy Byrne Syndrome is still alive. Plenty of talented Young Champions being over looked because other are powered by cash.
Ayrton Senna never got help from anyone, that is why he is the absolute GOAT 🙌🙌
The thing that was a joke about the Webber/Seb incident, was it was the first race if the season. There shouldn't have been any team orders at all
It was the 2nd race of the season. As it was early in the season, RB wanted to protect the engines as there is a limited amount of engines they are allowed to use. Finally which is usual for most teams, the driver that is ahead of their team mate gets the first choice in pit stops and that is the team orders that Mark is alluding to. But as Mark said, Vettel was being challenged by Lewis and so Seb got preferential treatment with the timing of the pit stops. If Webber had the preference with the pit stops, Mark would have easily won the race.
@@tomnewham1269 oh my mistake, so yes by the second race in they should firmly have team orders in place 🤣
That had nothing to do with engines.
Red bull had deals where if a particular driver had 1st place at a particular point that driver would win.
Sometimes it was who finished the first lap in first, who gets to turn 1 and holds it first, and on other occasions who gets pole.
It had nothing to with engine saving, it was to get them not to race and take each other off on a podium position because RB didn't trust them not to
Vastly different experience. Given the same experience, imo, Piastri would be much better than Lando. 🌸
This subject is doing my head in now.
Given how many races are left and Max's lead I do think McLaren has to get behind Lando if they want a chance of winning the driver's title this year. It's not a given that McLaren will be the strongest car for each and every circuit. Lando needs to heavily outscore Max each race from now until the end of the season.
Well Piastri has done more in 1 yr than Lando since inception.
None of this would have happened if Lando had gotten a better start. IDK what he is working on between races.. but to fail to secure a W when starting on POLE is pretty appalling by F1 standards... on multiple occasions this year.
Can't wait for the next one so David can ask Eddie where that exclusive was.
Lando is a great driver and one one of the fastest. I’m a Piastri fan but if Lando can get the starts right he will win the championship. Give Oscar 1more year and he could be sensational if he isn’t already.
To state the obvious, if Lando and Max take each other out, which isn't unrealistic as the pressure increases and Oscar wins, he's only 19 points away from Lando. 18 away if he takes the fastest lap. At that point, it's not unrealistic to say he can finish ahead of Lando if he has any reliability issues.
Piastri's pass was surgical.
You’d have to say yes at this point he is.
We have three F1 experts here.
We've seen it, we believe it.
He’s on a par with lando. Will be fun next year
Am I the only one that doesn't think it was such a great move?
Piastri was racing a guy that has one hand behind his back. Piastri was fighting for his ego with nothing to lose.
Lando was thinking of a driver's championship and keeping out of trouble.
Yeah you’re the only one. Context is irrelevant. Go play the game there is no space to make a move there even with lando maybe breaking it’s still an incredibly tough move
Yep, it was a fantastic move.
Absolute skill and perfect control.
Nope, you're not the only one who thinks that because even you don't believe that
@@theonetheonlyjoey lol😄
Yes but he still has to defend from his teammate and not leave opportunities
Anyone remember the awkward bear hug from the back on Vettel by Webber? This was after Webber retired and became an F1 commentator. Clearly still friction between those two.
Coulthard & Webber, great at creating controversy, McLaren need not allow you guys to initiate division as did Jos do for RedBull. Piastri should shut down Webber antagonism before it impacts his F1 career. Jos & Webber don’t know how to behave in public.
Which driver can they count on the most at McLaren?
Lando is currently better...but not for too much longer
Monza was a one off, take Zanvoort for example, unless Piastri can get on top of his tyre management problems, he will only be as good as he is now. He usually finished 15-20 seconds behind lando because he can't mange them even after what 34 races. Even in the final stint at monza Lando made time on Oscar.
@@marcpaola1371 Agree! Lando made half a second faster than Oscar on the last lap. And that was fastest Oscar's lap in the race!
@@marcpaola1371 Lando have done 6 seasons, and Oscar have not even done 2 seasons. Oscar is getting better and better by every race. Oscar is already far ahead when it comes to the mental part. So do you honostly think Lando will be better then Oscar in 2 or 3 years ?
@danni260382 yes I do think that. Agree to disagree
@@danni260382yes, Oscar is definitely progressing and is getting better. Also no objections about his mental stability. Re experience - I don't buy a comment that 2 years racing in F1 is too less to compare two drivers. As for me it's quite a bit of a time to develop a confidence.
McLaren have probably got two seasons to get championship with current regulations Piastri getting points for team as important as taking them off May to help Lando once he is out of contention...
It would be incredibly dumb to ask Piastri to play second fiddle. Lando has at best a 10% chance of catching Max, so would it make sense to risk losing Piastri to another team for a 10% sniff at the title?
looooooool 10 por cent kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Given his history, piastri isn't that loyal. If he wants to leave, he will leave be it no.1 or no.2 driver.
Yep Oscar has hope of finishing 2nd in wdc than Lando of winning
@@neetsk12why should Piastri have had loyalty to Alpine when they were playing him and Alonso against each other.
I reckon at least 35% chance
Lando learned that you can't trust Oscar to help him for the rest of the season. Oscar is only driving for himself. He should not treat him as a teammate anymore. He should be a lot more aggressive when defending against Oscar and if this means making contact then so be it. Maybe McLaren should learn the hard way when they take each other out during a race that they can't let their drivers race this late in the season because then they wouldn't even win the Constructor never mind the Drivers Champs. Ferrari is just 31 points behind them with a car that is looking better with every race. McLaren could easily be passed by them in the championship if they keep fighting each other.
Can’t trust Oscar? Please tell me which driver has voluntarily helped his team mate without being told to?
Oscar found out that he cannot trust Lando in Budapest! He learned Lando is a slimy twerp who only agrees to team orders when they benefit him. He was given the lead by the team in Budapest, with the agreement that it was to be given back, he was absolutely going to steal the race if the team hadn't read the riot act. Lando is the one who is not a team player!
@@markhill9275How do you know that Lando would not have let Oscar by?? Are you a mind reader?? Don't forget that Oscar almost crashed into Lando in the first corner. Lando pushed Max off the track just to evade Oscar's divebomb move.
@izakslabbert3534 Are you serious? Did you not watch Budapest, listen to his ranting on the radio? In fact they had to ask for a radio check because he would not answer. Lando is a slimy whingeing pom that you can trust about as much as you could the Poms who sent the Diggers to land on Gallipoli. Grow up, stop being a Lando fannyboy!
@izakslabbert3534 Are you serious? Did you not watch Budapest, did you not listen to Lando's rants on the radio, did you not hear the radio check when he refused to answer? He was fullty intending to shaft Oscar, He was running in clear air, Oscar running in dirty air, and he says tell him to catch up, knowing full well that was impossible in dirty air! He wanted to humiliate Oscar, and stole the pure joy of an untainted first win. Nope, Lando is a slimy whingeing pom. About as trustworthy as the British Admiralty that sent Aussie Diggers to the slaughter at Gallipoli, knowing full well what they were doing!
Shots at driver's championships are not given, they are earned or taken. Same with clear priority within a team, Lando has not earned the right to command priority over Piastri like what Michael did at Ferrari, where he was without question the number 1.
I think Piastri can lead this team 🏎️ no doubt about it,
wow 10% down votes, so many english tears
a scot, paddy and aussie ... no point looking for sympathy here
Always like Mark W. He is more honest,straightforward, no racist view like David C. n E. J. The way they comment about Sir Lewis Hamilton. They never talk about Max showing his tantrums to his engineer n the swear words he uses.fm- England 🇬🇧 U.K.
Thank you David, Eddie and Mark for years of the most entertaining racing back when the cars were bitch'in and not some goofy looking school bus sized sled with sewing machines for engines. Liberty Media has made F1 into a joke. WEC Rocks and has replaced F1 as the premier race series!
Yeah, raw talent wise yes, but then Lando is at a very high level himself. Up to Oscar to be the next "generational" talent.
Yes, Piastri is better, it should be obvious to anyone enthusiastic about F1
Oscar is the next Max
How much closer to the camera is Mark Webber? His head looks enormous next to DC. !
Oscar's move was 30% short of Peroni's duche factor (Imola '82), where Montoya's move on Schuf at the real "bus stop" chicane is still the best clean pass I recall (Spa 200?).
Do you mean Pironi?. And the best Schumi, Häkkinen pass must be when they overtook Zonta
Let em race AU
Only one way to handle selfish drivers not following team orders - pass or take them out trying to do so. Seb, like Max with DR, was treated like cheeky behaviour as he really wanted it. Where's the desire for the victim to abide in all future team order situations?
Oscar is a more mature driver in a third the time.
Love my man Mark.
I'd say Lando is 1 or 2 steps ahead of Oscar........but Oscar is catching up quick
Webber wins the ‘24 championship for RB?
You should improve Lando's "start of races, and mental" stats. Then he will maybe become champion. For now it seems Oscar is the better bet for a future McLaren champion
This podcast needs some work…settle down and relax fellas - be yourselves!
Coulthard - I still remember you stuck behind the Arrows at Monaco for 40 laps. Shouldn’t have cut that deal with Mika at Melbourne…
Mark - your best title chance was 2010, Korea burned…
Eddie - amazing things in late 90s, particularly’99.
that "magic" maneuver was only possible because Norris didnt want to collide with team mate, because McLaren rules... if that was anybody else, he would close the door on him... And that "magic" maneuver caused Norris to lose position to Leclerc... so Piatri opportunistic move cost McLaren 1-2 and ability to control the race... I bet next time, Norris will close the door, and they will collide.. Piastri will be blamed but McLaren will lose a lot of points...
McLaren needs to adopt simple rule - you can fight in Quali.. in race, you keep positions, unless team mate has problems... whoever wins Quali is the priority driver for the race.
That “magic” maneuver was only possible because Lando braked so early for that corner. “If that was anybody else”, they wouldn’t have given Oscar a sniff. I mean Lando braked so early - it was ridiculous.
I fully agree with the above comment! It's not Oscar did a great maneuver - it's Lando allowed him to do it as believed in the agreement. Next time it will be a collision!!! And Mclaren will earn zero points! What a stupid belief by giving both to fight might help them to take constructor's cup. Also a good proposal on the priority. If Oscar is so great let him take a pole. Otherwise shut your ambitions up for this season and help us to enjoy the fight for Driver's Cup in the end of the season. If not then Max will be celebrating 4th title 3 races ahead of the race in Abu Dhabi.
@@aydarsaitgaleev9846 Lando didn’t allow him. Lando braked a full post code early before the corner. Lando took it easy. He needs to be on it all the time. And without team orders, Oscar can do what he wants. Blame the team if you’re not getting what you want.
@@touringband I never said it should be team orders. I only mean being smart. The chance Oscar take a title this season is minimal. Then, if you didn't take a pole and didn't take 1st corner then please just support your team mate! I guarantee next time there will be a collision if Oscar decide to repeat what he did in Monza. Why? Because he never took a lesson. He thinks now Lando will let him pass every time he wants. It will not be like that. Unfortunatly for us it might cost us a lost of interesting battle for the title in between Max and Lando. Otherwise, if Lando allows Oscar to pass again - he is not a champion then. That would be very pity considering his speed in general.
@@aydarsaitgaleev9846 “please just support your team mate”. Haha. what driver takes it upon themselves to support their team mate? The only fair comparison in f1 is the comparison to your team mate. You live in a fairy land if you think drivers want to help each other and go out of their way to lose to help someone else. If a team wants to support a particular driver then they must implement team orders. Lando has to get his first laps under control.
Its beginning to look like Oscar has Lando's Number and is that bit better than norris
This aged well
Lando is a Sook, if he is good enough, and he isn't, he would win it on his own merits!
Points on the board this season.
Norris joined the team when it wasnt as dominant as it is now, Piastri walked into the team at a very good time.
Good overtakes or nothing to lose divebombs against Norris ( team mate !! ) and Leclerc.
Not denying he is a very promising and present talent.
There are only constructors in F1 and calling them a "team" is a laugh. WEC's car 83 drivers are a team and Kubica has always been a class act .
People discussing team orders but for me the point is Lando is not really drive good, hard and smart enough for be a contender alongside Max to win this championship... He needs do way better starts, betteer wheel to wheel battles and receive better strategy from the team too...
And you know what it's like to drive a F1 car right? And what an achievement it is to even score over 200 pts in F1
Piastri is far superior, it's not even close. They are now telling Piastri to let Norris win. If Norris is better, then clearly this wouldn't be an issue. This is only Piastri's 2nd year. He's only going to get better. I don't think McLaren was expecting him to compete with Norris, much less outperforming him this soon.
An Aussie, an Irishman and a Scot walks in to a bar. Must be a joke there.
Lock out the front row, get away cleanly, hold station, control the race, dictate the strategy... one of the oldest tricks in the book.
You need to get few complete laps in to hold station
@@gaycha6589 Yeah... your teammate going "gung ho" in turn 4 doesn't help much. ;)
@@aoife1122 agree. Gloves will be off from Baku, I sense. It’s a double edged sword tho. We want team mates racing, but also to neutralize RBR, Ferrari and MB, who can only benefit from inter teammate gung-ho isms. Cant really have it both ways.
@@aoife1122
Your teammate taking the corner exit like a nervous wreck doesn't help much 😉
@@dotconnector3889 Yea... Norris shoulda done to Pastry what Leclerc did to Hamilton in turn 4 in 2019, this papaya bullshit be damned. 🤣
Woo if they’re driving the same car it’s pretty easy to narrow it down
I know of no metric that indicates Piastri is faster than Lando. In fact in points and qually Lando has mopped the floor with the little snake. Piastri has a big future in motorsports most likely Indycar when Lando is done with him.
To be a WDC demands the driver lays it down to the team who is numero uno.
I think Mark had a little to much from his bar prior to the interview 🤔✌️
Learning curve is great if your mid table .
Theycare not a winning team as yet
Yes Oscar is quicker…
Just a reminder of overall stats:
Norris: 2 races won and 13 podiums
Piastri: 1 race won, 1 sprint race won and 7 podiums
For me Piastri is getting better and reducing the initial season gap (next year will be another story)
Very biased as suspected opposite side of fence to shy f1, still okay podcast tho. But you guys know mclaren are throwing away the title, but you cant have the correct opinion on it due to david and webber bromance
Probably the least biased input you will get. Sky F1 is so British biased that the rest of the world doesn’t take it seriously. Coulthard and Jordan are honest and blunt, they’re also putting forth points everyone outside of the UK and females under 30 are saying. Lando hasn’t put himself in a position to be an out and out number 1
Not really. Only Hungary did they outright make a choice that hurt their title shot. What were they suppose to do in monza? Oscar was fighting for a win and lando wasn’t. Lando couldn’t keep up. And on top of that if Norris wins none of us will care the title will be meaningless and unimpressive. Norris got exposed this year and if he wins is probably the worst and least deserving champion in the modern era
@@MaCcAM40a3 Coulthard is still a massive RB fan and Webber is hardly biased either. Sky less biased imho.
I don't understand it well....because I really experience this as undermining Lando's qualities! I don't understand where this urgent need comes from to want to praise Oscar Piastri so much? Lando is the same age as Oscar right? Lando has been the better driver in the same car this entire season right? Lando is well ahead of Oscar on points right? Lando even had to drop 7 points at the expense of Oscar's first Grand Prix victory which he didn't win on his own strength right? The action in Monza that Oscar made on Lando was because Lando made a mistake himself and was not because of Oscar's brilliance right? So what are you doing or do you just not like Lando or something? Lando has the chance to win his first world title and not Oscar because then he would have to beat Lando first besides Max and Charles right? And we don't think that chance is great right? Max is currently in a tractor and not Lando and Oscar right?
Mark looked very stum, not willing to join in the criticism of McLaren in not planning for Piastri's 2nd corner move..... no revelation of what was going on in McLaren from him.
_Does it matter that Oscar thinks/feels he's better than Lando???_ Norris is having the better/more consistent yr with a DNF. Be a team player. Period.
Let me guess ... British? Haha
Btw DC’s lady is fine af what a legend!
What a load of rubbish to listen to honestly… „There’s only 40 points between Lando and Oscar, but Lando is over 60 behind Verstappen, so it’s a difficult call”… If Mclaren follows that logic, they’ve given the championship away to Verstappen - there’s simply too few races left and IT IS ASSUMING THAT RED BULL IS NOT GOING TO FIND THEIR FORM BACK AT SOME POINT. If they butcher it and Max becomes the 24 champion because of that, everybody’s gonna start hating on Mclaren.
Eddie, blink twice if MBS is holding your family hostage
I can't understand how Mohammad bin Salman is related to this? McLaren is owned by Qatar royal family and Saudi owns Aston Martin
Webber to Piastri..... Learn from my past. Learn from Nico Rosberg's.
Based off what? He’s been battered for two years
Piastri is to Lando as Rosberg was to Lewis ... a very good driver that is causing issues.. and capable of pushing a superstar hard. A good thing of your the best team.. a bad thing of your trying to catch redbull and verstappen
Yeah had it plastered on the title but skirted around it, never thought EJ would be the type to shy away from things