Great to see a new entry level HOTAS capable stick on the market. For years I've wondered why there's been nothing to challenge Logitech 3D pro and Thrustmaster's T16000 products from over 10 years ago... not even from those manufacturers themselves! Seems a little more expensive than the OGs but I'm sure that if I was in the market for this sort of thing today, I'd definitely look into the pros and cons of the new kid on the block.
@@Pwnzistor Hands On Throttle And Stick. It means that most of the aircraft functions can be controlled without taking your hands off the flight controls. It was a military innovation post WW2.
It is probably the best entry level stick you can get right now. The stick shake part is really interesting to me and I miss more had it. Only thing thing I dislike is that the gimble is a blatant copy of the vkb gimble which while very good makes me wonder how they got away with it
OK, so what sensors does it use, is it a ball and cup? Pitty it didn't have a Throttle module that you could add at a similar price... If the joystick is setup for a right hander, why not put all the base buttons on the left? Sigh, look good though.
my current HOTAS is a X56 i miss my old logitech extreme 3d pro how it had the throttle that dosnt drift and how it was one peice but you had nowhere near enough buttons to fly something like the F-14 tomcat or other more complex aircraft with screens it was alright on the huey tho i enjoyed it for that but not much else now we have this little beast and im contemplating picking it up because its got all the buttons n stuff you could possibly want but i think my X56 is staying for now because its got more switches and hats to play with tho i still hate how the throttle is stiff yet drifts when youre not even touching it an when you do use it the thing wants to slide across your desk even tho its tactile and shouldent move the minor might be ideal for helicopters tho paird to the x56 because i have to set the volume dials to collective on my X56 because otherwise the helicopter will keep climbing up into the air when i want to hug the ground due to the throttle sliding foward on its own
+GrimReapersAtomic *WinWinGⓇ seems to have a most practical RIO grip for the McDonnell F-4 and Grumman F-14 in the URSA MINORᵀᴹ that approaches the genuine Kaiser grip.*
I got a Thrustmaster Hotas X for 30 dollars on eBay. Haven't had any problems. It has the twist rudder on the stick (which I rarely use" on the throttle there are flippers which I do use.
So it's literally a VKB Gladiator internally. Winwing cloned the gimbal design. Even things like the wiring harness are near identical. Since the VKB gimbal has swappable springs, and since the gimbal in the Ursa Minor is the same, I would assume with the same springs they will feel identical. On a side note VKB is apparently looking into possible legal action over what they say is theft of their gimbal from the Gladiator. So the Ursa Minor might or might not be around too long.
@@Atlasworkinprogress The pincer gimbal is not pantented and given both companies are based in China where intellectual property claims are extremely hard to enforce, I wouldn't worry too much.
People at VKB must be crazy. Total knock off of their NXT. Well, we are living in a world where Chinese can do pretty much everything now: "So this is how IP dies . . . with thunderous applause from the community"
Yup, highly disappointing. Winwing is now on my "Do Not Buy" list. Looking at the build of this i still think the vkb is a better value because of the (likely) better quality plastics, metal base, and apparently better feeling hats
The biggest problem with VKB is the shipping cost. If they had a US distributor that could ship from the a warehouse here they would increase sales drastically.
@@gaivy9159 if they had a distributor, he will take a big margin to cover his work, charges, the service, warranty and classic business stuff. Like at least 30% cost increase. Still you will pay shipping, less but still
Great to see a new entry level HOTAS capable stick on the market. For years I've wondered why there's been nothing to challenge Logitech 3D pro and Thrustmaster's T16000 products from over 10 years ago... not even from those manufacturers themselves! Seems a little more expensive than the OGs but I'm sure that if I was in the market for this sort of thing today, I'd definitely look into the pros and cons of the new kid on the block.
What does "HOTAS" stand for?
@@Pwnzistor Hands On Throttle And Stick. It means that most of the aircraft functions can be controlled without taking your hands off the flight controls. It was a military innovation post WW2.
@@GrahamMilkdrop I thought this was a stick and not a separate throttle.
@@Pwnzistor integrated slider for engine thrust... 0:24
@@GrahamMilkdropSo then it's a hands on stick with a throttle slider. a HOTAS setup will have a throttle that is separate from the stick.
It is probably the best entry level stick you can get right now. The stick shake part is really interesting to me and I miss more had it. Only thing thing I dislike is that the gimble is a blatant copy of the vkb gimble which while very good makes me wonder how they got away with it
for sure not probably
Maybe they copied the gimble that VKB copied?
@@blobfish7159 No, they copied THE VKB gimbal. See the youtube teardown of both sticks.
Huh, is that a stick shaker? Hadn't seen one of those in over 20 years!
Yes it is. Hear the buzz??
@@wildbillkelso2083 yep!
Looks like a sweet bit of kit! I kinda regret having zero use for it... Oh, and your new co-pilot is very handsome, Kelso! :)
Thank you Jane.... I think it's the flight garb.....chicks dig it. 🤣
FINALLY A REVIEW SHOWING FUL JOYSTICK ANGLES AND TURNING. THX :D
That is cheaper than my X56
Good video, and, YAY Spanky... Dog's crack me up, their personalities are often better than some humans I know.
Thank you. Spanky's sure is. 🐕
Good honest review, thank you 😊
Thank you Daniel, 😀
that looks like good value per money I would get if I had a need for it
Hi Is it possible to attach the joystick to a frame? Or record? I don't see anything there, thank you
a MOG!
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OK, so what sensors does it use, is it a ball and cup?
Pitty it didn't have a Throttle module that you could add at a similar price...
If the joystick is setup for a right hander, why not put all the base buttons on the left? Sigh, look good though.
First question ..Goto 00:25 and freeze it. Second question: The slider is the throttle. Third question: ??
It uses an exact copy of the VKB gimble so it is not ball and socket
@@BrockvsTV I wouldn't know, I've never owned VKB controls. And we just do the reviews.
@@wildbillkelso2083 all is good. It is a very good gimbal so I see why it was copied. Will be a very good and reliable stick
Pretty sure one can get the WW Orion2 Throttle base combo and use it together with this URSA Minor.
my current HOTAS is a X56
i miss my old logitech extreme 3d pro how it had the throttle that dosnt drift and how it was one peice but you had nowhere near enough buttons to fly something like the F-14 tomcat or other more complex aircraft with screens
it was alright on the huey tho i enjoyed it for that but not much else
now we have this little beast and im contemplating picking it up because its got all the buttons n stuff you could possibly want but i think my X56 is staying for now because its got more switches and hats to play with tho i still hate how the throttle is stiff yet drifts when youre not even touching it an when you do use it the thing wants to slide across your desk even tho its tactile and shouldent move
the minor might be ideal for helicopters tho paird to the x56 because i have to set the volume dials to collective on my X56 because otherwise the helicopter will keep climbing up into the air when i want to hug the ground due to the throttle sliding foward on its own
HATED 3D PRO, THE pot meant flying was impossible.
+GrimReapersAtomic *WinWinGⓇ seems to have a most practical RIO grip for the McDonnell F-4 and Grumman F-14 in the URSA MINORᵀᴹ that approaches the genuine Kaiser grip.*
I got a Thrustmaster Hotas X for 30 dollars on eBay. Haven't had any problems. It has the twist rudder on the stick (which I rarely use" on the throttle there are flippers which I do use.
you sure the SimAppPro wasnt an attempt of making ASMR?
Great review but I’ve got a question. Is this compatible with xbox?
I bought the Orion Hotas setup its awesome
Compared to vkb Gladiators how does the joystick movement feel like?? smoother? less smoother? does its center position is too aggressive?
Thanks
Sorry Saiyan, neither Skil or I have owned vkb equipment, so we're unable to answer your questions..
So it's literally a VKB Gladiator internally. Winwing cloned the gimbal design. Even things like the wiring harness are near identical. Since the VKB gimbal has swappable springs, and since the gimbal in the Ursa Minor is the same, I would assume with the same springs they will feel identical.
On a side note VKB is apparently looking into possible legal action over what they say is theft of their gimbal from the Gladiator. So the Ursa Minor might or might not be around too long.
@@Atlasworkinprogress The pincer gimbal is not pantented and given both companies are based in China where intellectual property claims are extremely hard to enforce, I wouldn't worry too much.
Can I lock it so it doesn't move if I don't use the Z-axis?
yes you can, to make it behave more like a throttle if that's what you mean
People at VKB must be crazy. Total knock off of their NXT. Well, we are living in a world where Chinese can do pretty much everything now: "So this is how IP dies . . . with thunderous applause from the community"
Yup, highly disappointing. Winwing is now on my "Do Not Buy" list.
Looking at the build of this i still think the vkb is a better value because of the (likely) better quality plastics, metal base, and apparently better feeling hats
@@rev_dude I wonder what the fanboy would say if they list their job because some company copy your IP like that. Vkb will suffer big time
@@rev_dude The NXT has a contactless throttle too.
The biggest problem with VKB is the shipping cost. If they had a US distributor that could ship from the a warehouse here they would increase sales drastically.
@@gaivy9159 if they had a distributor, he will take a big margin to cover his work, charges, the service, warranty and classic business stuff. Like at least 30% cost increase. Still you will pay shipping, less but still
"Spouses and nose pickers"... 😄
What is the name of this game?
a copy of VKB
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No porn all-ways win