Great video! When I was looking to buy my gear, I picked up several yokes and rudder pedals to try for myself and see which one I liked the best. After all that, I ended up with the Velocity One Flight Yoke/Throttle Quadrant, Thrustmaster TPR pedals, Logitech Switch Panel and I use a Quest 3 running Virtual Desktop for the VR for the FS2024. Reason for the decisions, the Velocity One had so many bindable options with a more realistic feel that I could almost entirely not use Quest 3 Vr remotes. TPR pedals are very realistic and customizable. Logitech Switch Panel is good, but all of those panels aren't supported by FS2024; however, they've stated will be in the future per Logitech Support. Haven't really touched FS2024 much yet, but am impressed thus far. All good things.
Buying for my teenager who just downloaded MS Flight Simulator (not '24... The one right before that). A couple of questions for you and/or your viewers: 1) Can he get by flying MOST (or all) aircraft with something like the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo Pro? 2) Which peripheral is a "must-have" after the stick? Does throttle control prioritize over pedals? Lastly, 3) Can any of these peripherals find use in other games? Like, could throttle controls be used in some mech game, etc Thank you!
I will do my best to assist. Will this be for a PC or Xbox? 1. That is a great choice. There is some setup to do when it arrives. 2. That depends on preference. Pedals can wait, but if the final goal is to become a pilot, pedals may need to come sooner. I would say there are equally important. 3. If you are on a pc, it will depend on the game. If this is for an XBOX there are more restrictions.
The VKB will not work with the XBOX, so keep that in mind. As far as PC, there are many other games that will utilize the stick and other peripherals. What other games are you considering?
I’m looking to build a pretty nice set up specifically for a taildragger stol style plane. I’m build one and want to get some training time in. What pedals and stick ext would you recommend. I’d like a decent set up. Thanks in advance great videos
Great guide. This century I started with the T-Fight Hotas and then upgraded to the T16000M hotas. When the stick eventually dies, I'll likely replace it with a Gladiator NXT.
Just ordered the VP Ace Collection Pedals, warbrd and mongoose base for a set of Alpha Primes, 200 mm extension for control stick and z extension for throttle stick, all the desk mounts with adapters, beyond excited! I know their quality is top and great video!
Another question please. I am looking to purchase a fighter stick and throttles and use them on my existing racing sim rig. The seat, screens etc work very well. But ! I have no room for rudder pedals. Might you have a few thoughts on perhaps the best setup for that. Pricing mid range ? Thanks Jules.
Well, you could do it all without rudder pedals. All of the sticks have a yaw twist feature built into them. At least I think all of them do. That does take away from the realism factor, but if you are limited by space, you could try that. Does the racing sim have foot pedals, and if so how many and are they axis assignable?
@@JoeNDBAVIATION Hi, it does, I have clutch brake and throttle. I had considered that. In truth I think my best bet might be to get a cheapy rig, put small wheels on the racing rig and just roll it out of the way when I want to fly. Using the desk and office chair is not really an option as in being tall I would be looking at the top of the monitors that sit on the desk. I am considering the Orion 2, but I think I need pedals for that one. Thanks for the perspective.
Hey everyone, brand new to this and have a question that I’d reallllly appreciate guidance with: So I have a new Mac desktop, and I’m looking to purchase a fighter type stick/HOTAS to play games like War Thunder with. Could somebody please tell me if there is a good stick that’s compatible with Mac? I can’t seem to find this information anywhere. Almost all sticks specify PC/Xbox/PS4-5 compatible, but none mention Mac ever. I’d truly appreciate advice. Thanks.
So I have to ask. I watched your previous video as I am a newbie to a flight sim setup. I am going to purchase everything during the Black Friday sales. You said you loved the X56 Hotas for a fighter setup, yet in this video you say stay away ? To be honest I am more focused on a GA setup while I learn to fly, and then plan to add the fighter stuff as I progress. I already have triple 32" screens etc I use for sim racing and love them and my complete setup. " MOZA ".
I am saying stay away now because I have found better devices within a similar price point. IF you can get the x-56 on a massive discount, like 50-75% off, then I would consider it.
Can anyone tell me whether the Thrustmaster Warthog flight stick and dual throttle quadrant is compatible (and configurable) to the new Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024? I want to sell mine, and this will be asked. I no longer have my flight setup so I can't test it myself.
Amazing this couldn't have come at a better time... Also, I didn't think anyone without an easter European accent was allowed to review these things. Thanks again. I can see all the work put into this. Appreciate it a lot.
Why is the throttle lever always on the right with controllers like the tflight hotab one ? In a real plane you never have your stick first on the left and besides that to even more left the gas. You have the joystick on the left and gas / throttle on your right. Why are all the controllers like that wrongly orientated..??.....
The HOTAS are setup to replicate a fighter cockpit. Usually in those cockpits the throttle is on the left and stick input middle/right. The Tflight HOTAS One is oriented as such. That is why I recommend general aviation/commercial aircraft simmers to go with something other than a HOTAS. You can do it but the orientation is off. Unless you are like me for my current seat. Currently I am a First Officer on the A320. The HOTAS style setup works for my current position. When I upgrade, not so much.
This guide is incomplete without the new Moza AB9 base and the MH16 stick. That base is the first relatively affordable Force Feedback base that finally made me retire my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 stick from 21 years ago. I put my TMWH grip on it, though, but with a total of 17.5cm of extensions from MFG, which are also pretty darn important in the rudder oedals segment (those Crosswinds are the best). Having Force Feedback again without having to spend over a grand for the base or having to wait for months (Brunner, I'm looking at your CLS-E) if not even more than a year (hi there, VPForce Rhino) is an absolute game changer!
I will need to find a way to try it out. I have always been skeptical of force feedback. There have been so many iterations that have fallen flat on their noses that it is difficult for me to ever recommend it.
@@JoeNDBAVIATION Force Feedback only was quite good with the Sidewinder FFB2 for the most time, all the competition it had back in the day like the Saitek Cyborg Evo Force or the Thrustmaster one had some sort of issues. And many felt it was adding too much "game-y" stuff to the sims early on. Back in the OG Il-2 days a common recommendation was to remove all ffb files except for the spring and shake ones, to get the most realistic rendition. And that kinda was where lots of people got the FFB2 which most of them kept - me included. And the fact that it could be used for two decades on an almost daily basis speaks for itself. Somewhere around 2009 Logitech gave it another shot with the G940 which was great on paper, but also came with significant flaws, some of them practically unfixable. It was so bad they literally pulled the thing from the shelves. And then there was silence and that 1300 bucks Brunner CLS-E only. And quite a few people who never gave up their fellow Microsoft stick. At some point, VPForce and also FFBeast popped up, the Immersion Inc patents lifted and just this year in late June at Flight Sim Expo, Moza announced their lineup with the base and the stick coming first, followed by a throttle unit and rudder pedals still to come. They also have an extension that adds a twist stick axis. Virpil and WinWing announced FFB bases as well, but they aren't available yet. Also, flitesim announced FFB rudder pedals even. Speaking of which, Brunner already has those in their lineup, but again, they're pretty expensive, but that's due to their build quality since they're trying to serve the professional market rather than the usual consumer. FFB support has been really outstanding in the newer Il-2 Great Battles series as well as its predecessor Rise of Flight, it's also similarly as good in War Thunder as it'S been in the original Il-2 (which you can get by buying the 1946 thing for like 5 bucks or so) and MSFS had support for it at least until FSX, usually it was well advised to get some 3rd party software for that though. Dunno about X-Plane, but I heard their FFB was quite decent as well. The elephant in the room is that FS2020 doesn't support it and needs telemetry FFB provided by 3rd party (the VPForce software does that amazingly well as far as I've heard, in general for all sims - and Moza is working on implementing that to their software as well currently). Same goes for FS2024, but here at least official direct FFB support from Asobo certainly is on the roadmap for like a year to a year and a half by now. Also, AFAIK none of the more recent space sims out there do support FFB as of yet. The main benefit of having FFB in flight sims is the possibility to get real trimmer simulation, which is especially vital in helicopters (that works incredibly well in the DCS ones, it really is a day and night difference) and also have forces that act upon the control surfaces simulated which the Il-2 sims always have been best at. You literally start with a limp stick cold and dark and get pressure on the elevator axis as soon as you throttle up and on the aileron axis it only comes up with speed increase. As soon as you'Re airborne, the forces on all axes do increase the faster you go, so you kinda can get a feel for how fast you're moving. That combined with decent pre-stall buffeting in the stick can actually give you an edge in a dogfight over anyone who doesn't have that. And it just very much adds to the immersion, especially combined with VR which is an entire rabbit hole in itself... :)
I live in a motel so I don’t have enough room for a motion simulator. I thought about just taking my vehicle and putting hydraulics in it like a Lowrider and then I just ghosted out in the parking lot and flights them in my car using the steering wheel. : )
@@JoeNDBAVIATION I have the MeganeX superlight 8K VR headset on pre-order but I found out after the fact that they released two other headsets and never shipped anything so now I have $1900 tied up into something that I don’t know I’ll ever get
@@JoeNDBAVIATION considering a full motion simulator cost $10,000 to begin with I’m not too sure that it might not actually be possible to do for the same amount of money. : )
Have you tried checking out the PXN 2119 and 2113, I dont know if its available worldwide though.
I've never seen a higher quality video, Like seriously your camera and/or editing looks better than most movies.
and i just saw you only have 3k insane dude, the production quality is out of this world
Thank you very much!
Great video! When I was looking to buy my gear, I picked up several yokes and rudder pedals to try for myself and see which one I liked the best. After all that, I ended up with the Velocity One Flight Yoke/Throttle Quadrant, Thrustmaster TPR pedals, Logitech Switch Panel and I use a Quest 3 running Virtual Desktop for the VR for the FS2024. Reason for the decisions, the Velocity One had so many bindable options with a more realistic feel that I could almost entirely not use Quest 3 Vr remotes. TPR pedals are very realistic and customizable. Logitech Switch Panel is good, but all of those panels aren't supported by FS2024; however, they've stated will be in the future per Logitech Support. Haven't really touched FS2024 much yet, but am impressed thus far. All good things.
That is an impressive setup! Enjoy all that amazing hardware!
Buying for my teenager who just downloaded MS Flight Simulator (not '24... The one right before that). A couple of questions for you and/or your viewers:
1) Can he get by flying MOST (or all) aircraft with something like the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo Pro?
2) Which peripheral is a "must-have" after the stick? Does throttle control prioritize over pedals?
Lastly,
3) Can any of these peripherals find use in other games? Like, could throttle controls be used in some mech game, etc
Thank you!
I will do my best to assist. Will this be for a PC or Xbox?
1. That is a great choice. There is some setup to do when it arrives.
2. That depends on preference. Pedals can wait, but if the final goal is to become a pilot, pedals may need to come sooner. I would say there are equally important.
3. If you are on a pc, it will depend on the game. If this is for an XBOX there are more restrictions.
@JoeNDBAVIATION oops! Sorry. We have both, but primary use will be PC, Windows 10
The VKB will not work with the XBOX, so keep that in mind. As far as PC, there are many other games that will utilize the stick and other peripherals. What other games are you considering?
Great job! Looking forward to the continued growth.
Thank you!
I’m looking to build a pretty nice set up specifically for a taildragger stol style plane. I’m build one and want to get some training time in. What pedals and stick ext would you recommend. I’d like a decent set up. Thanks in advance great videos
Great guide. This century I started with the T-Fight Hotas and then upgraded to the T16000M hotas. When the stick eventually dies, I'll likely replace it with a Gladiator NXT.
Would all these work in steam vr with star wars squadrons?
Just ordered the VP Ace Collection Pedals, warbrd and mongoose base for a set of Alpha Primes, 200 mm extension for control stick and z extension for throttle stick, all the desk mounts with adapters, beyond excited! I know their quality is top and great video!
That sounds like it will be an amazing rig! Nice choices!!!
Another question please. I am looking to purchase a fighter stick and throttles and use them on my existing racing sim rig. The seat, screens etc work very well. But ! I have no room for rudder pedals. Might you have a few thoughts on perhaps the best setup for that. Pricing mid range ? Thanks Jules.
Well, you could do it all without rudder pedals. All of the sticks have a yaw twist feature built into them. At least I think all of them do. That does take away from the realism factor, but if you are limited by space, you could try that.
Does the racing sim have foot pedals, and if so how many and are they axis assignable?
@@JoeNDBAVIATION Hi, it does, I have clutch brake and throttle. I had considered that. In truth I think my best bet might be to get a cheapy rig, put small wheels on the racing rig and just roll it out of the way when I want to fly. Using the desk and office chair is not really an option as in being tall I would be looking at the top of the monitors that sit on the desk. I am considering the Orion 2, but I think I need pedals for that one. Thanks for the perspective.
Hey everyone, brand new to this and have a question that I’d reallllly appreciate guidance with:
So I have a new Mac desktop, and I’m looking to purchase a fighter type stick/HOTAS to play games like War Thunder with.
Could somebody please tell me if there is a good stick that’s compatible with Mac? I can’t seem to find this information anywhere. Almost all sticks specify PC/Xbox/PS4-5 compatible, but none mention Mac ever. I’d truly appreciate advice. Thanks.
Top notch review 👏🏻👏🏻 I love also Stream Deck for flight swimming. We could customized every planes , actions the way we want .
So I have to ask. I watched your previous video as I am a newbie to a flight sim setup. I am going to purchase everything during the Black Friday sales. You said you loved the X56 Hotas for a fighter setup, yet in this video you say stay away ? To be honest I am more focused on a GA setup while I learn to fly, and then plan to add the fighter stuff as I progress. I already have triple 32" screens etc I use for sim racing and love them and my complete setup. " MOZA ".
I am saying stay away now because I have found better devices within a similar price point. IF you can get the x-56 on a massive discount, like 50-75% off, then I would consider it.
@@JoeNDBAVIATION OK cool, I'll watch this video again to remember the fighter stuff you recommended. Cheers !
Can anyone tell me whether the Thrustmaster Warthog flight stick and dual throttle quadrant is compatible (and configurable) to the new Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024? I want to sell mine, and this will be asked. I no longer have my flight setup so I can't test it myself.
So long as it is USB ,for pc use instead of an Xbox, and is in working condition, it should work.
Should I get dual throttle for flight sim?.
It really depends on what you plan to fly.
Amazing this couldn't have come at a better time... Also, I didn't think anyone without an easter European accent was allowed to review these things.
Thanks again. I can see all the work put into this. Appreciate it a lot.
Thank you!
Good info. Dig the shirt. Happy flying.
Thank you!
Why is the throttle lever always on the right with controllers like the tflight hotab one ? In a real plane you never have your stick first on the left and besides that to even more left the gas.
You have the joystick on the left and gas / throttle on your right. Why are all the controllers like that wrongly orientated..??.....
The HOTAS are setup to replicate a fighter cockpit. Usually in those cockpits the throttle is on the left and stick input middle/right. The Tflight HOTAS One is oriented as such. That is why I recommend general aviation/commercial aircraft simmers to go with something other than a HOTAS. You can do it but the orientation is off.
Unless you are like me for my current seat. Currently I am a First Officer on the A320. The HOTAS style setup works for my current position. When I upgrade, not so much.
@@JoeNDBAVIATION Clear, thank you !
i have to ask, the x56 is 180 on amazon rn, would you say i buy it? as it essentially fills up my budget and i want to upgrade my current HOTAS
What is your current HOTAS?
@JoeNDBAVIATION a320 thrustmaster stick
@JoeNDBAVIATION airbus tcs
Sorry for the late reply. I would rank those as similar.
This guide is incomplete without the new Moza AB9 base and the MH16 stick. That base is the first relatively affordable Force Feedback base that finally made me retire my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 stick from 21 years ago. I put my TMWH grip on it, though, but with a total of 17.5cm of extensions from MFG, which are also pretty darn important in the rudder oedals segment (those Crosswinds are the best). Having Force Feedback again without having to spend over a grand for the base or having to wait for months (Brunner, I'm looking at your CLS-E) if not even more than a year (hi there, VPForce Rhino) is an absolute game changer!
I will need to find a way to try it out. I have always been skeptical of force feedback. There have been so many iterations that have fallen flat on their noses that it is difficult for me to ever recommend it.
@@JoeNDBAVIATION Force Feedback only was quite good with the Sidewinder FFB2 for the most time, all the competition it had back in the day like the Saitek Cyborg Evo Force or the Thrustmaster one had some sort of issues. And many felt it was adding too much "game-y" stuff to the sims early on. Back in the OG Il-2 days a common recommendation was to remove all ffb files except for the spring and shake ones, to get the most realistic rendition. And that kinda was where lots of people got the FFB2 which most of them kept - me included. And the fact that it could be used for two decades on an almost daily basis speaks for itself. Somewhere around 2009 Logitech gave it another shot with the G940 which was great on paper, but also came with significant flaws, some of them practically unfixable. It was so bad they literally pulled the thing from the shelves. And then there was silence and that 1300 bucks Brunner CLS-E only. And quite a few people who never gave up their fellow Microsoft stick. At some point, VPForce and also FFBeast popped up, the Immersion Inc patents lifted and just this year in late June at Flight Sim Expo, Moza announced their lineup with the base and the stick coming first, followed by a throttle unit and rudder pedals still to come. They also have an extension that adds a twist stick axis. Virpil and WinWing announced FFB bases as well, but they aren't available yet. Also, flitesim announced FFB rudder pedals even. Speaking of which, Brunner already has those in their lineup, but again, they're pretty expensive, but that's due to their build quality since they're trying to serve the professional market rather than the usual consumer.
FFB support has been really outstanding in the newer Il-2 Great Battles series as well as its predecessor Rise of Flight, it's also similarly as good in War Thunder as it'S been in the original Il-2 (which you can get by buying the 1946 thing for like 5 bucks or so) and MSFS had support for it at least until FSX, usually it was well advised to get some 3rd party software for that though. Dunno about X-Plane, but I heard their FFB was quite decent as well. The elephant in the room is that FS2020 doesn't support it and needs telemetry FFB provided by 3rd party (the VPForce software does that amazingly well as far as I've heard, in general for all sims - and Moza is working on implementing that to their software as well currently). Same goes for FS2024, but here at least official direct FFB support from Asobo certainly is on the roadmap for like a year to a year and a half by now. Also, AFAIK none of the more recent space sims out there do support FFB as of yet.
The main benefit of having FFB in flight sims is the possibility to get real trimmer simulation, which is especially vital in helicopters (that works incredibly well in the DCS ones, it really is a day and night difference) and also have forces that act upon the control surfaces simulated which the Il-2 sims always have been best at. You literally start with a limp stick cold and dark and get pressure on the elevator axis as soon as you throttle up and on the aileron axis it only comes up with speed increase. As soon as you'Re airborne, the forces on all axes do increase the faster you go, so you kinda can get a feel for how fast you're moving. That combined with decent pre-stall buffeting in the stick can actually give you an edge in a dogfight over anyone who doesn't have that. And it just very much adds to the immersion, especially combined with VR which is an entire rabbit hole in itself... :)
Thank you for information!
You are welcome!
No turtle beach?
Turtle Beach is represented in the video!
Velocity Flightstick is Turtle Beach
Sorry I stopped watching in the beginning with the list because I saw niether the words turtle beach nor velocity. Thanks
That’s on me. You can find them in the time stamps.
Great job, thanks
Thank you!
AFFORDABLE OPTIONS for Peripherals -- Switch Panels // Throttle Quadrant // Flaps Lever // Fuel Selector Vendors = GearFalcon / Desktop Pilot / Desktop Aviator Finally For Instrument Panels -- SimInnovations Air Manager with Knobster
Of all those devices, the Knobster is the most interesting to me. Thank you for the other peripherals to think about! Happy Flying!
@@JoeNDBAVIATION Your readers should check the VR capability of KnobsterXP and KnobsterFS.
I live in a motel so I don’t have enough room for a motion simulator. I thought about just taking my vehicle and putting hydraulics in it like a Lowrider and then I just ghosted out in the parking lot and flights them in my car using the steering wheel. : )
That would be a sight!
@@JoeNDBAVIATION I have the MeganeX superlight 8K VR headset on pre-order but I found out after the fact that they released two other headsets and never shipped anything so now I have $1900 tied up into something that I don’t know I’ll ever get
@@JoeNDBAVIATION considering a full motion simulator cost $10,000 to begin with I’m not too sure that it might not actually be possible to do for the same amount of money. : )
@@XAirForcedotcom Sorry to hear that!