How Much Does a SQ Sound System Cost in a Car? 5k? 15k? 50k??? / Walk Around of PSSOUND's Demo Car
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As everyone may have different views, for me, driving home for 45 mins in traffic, with some of the nastiest drivers on the planet after 10 hours working in Healthcare during a pandemic, and being able to relax simply by turning up the volume and listening to good music through a good system is PRICELESS! I arrive home somewhat sane enough to do it all over again the next day.
Richard R that’s it, audiophile life! 😎
Definitely. I would rather spend 1k on equipment and 4k on install than the other way around.
His prices for what he does is ok. Actually more than ok. How many people pay 3000 or 4000 and are please with the quality of their car audio. Not many. This is his life. Hes not out to screw you. If you dont k ow pete by now you will. Hes a good man. Protects his customers and treats them like friends. It's not only business with him
I worked at a car stereo shop back in the late 90’s. It is amazing how much more technologically advanced the equipment is now. I can fully understand the cost of a proper sq system.
Things certainly have changed a lot over the last 30 years. I remember when JL Boston Acoustics, Orion and PPI was the equipment to have, and Alpine or Kenwood were the head units you wanted as well as a Pioneer.
Peter, since I got my megane back from you, my day starts with a smile every morning driving to work.. Thank you so much and keep on the good work!!!❤
Maro Vucetic 😎😎🔊🔊🤘💪
@Maro Vucetic
At the end of the day the ☺ (smile) is all that matters! Money well spent! 👍
Enjoy!
@@bbfoto7248 Exactly! Priceless...❤
One of your best videos.
Can only imagine when your 70+ years old what a legend guru you will be
Rx Tunez haha if we still have all these videos, i’m sure we’ll have a great laugh! 😃😂
There's not enough people talking about SQ, please keep the videos coming. And thank you, I learn something new every time I watch.
As always Peter 💯💯, spot on!! Sadly most car audio shops are just selling you a brand and quick installation & onto the next.
Yes to buying reputable equipment to achieve our individual sq goals. We all hear things differently but we can all appreciate a clean sounding system. I,m only doing a simple build with your inspiration and ideas from your videos & yes it all costs even the tools to bring together my build.
What people forget it not only your time, it your knowledge of many years of building systems and you can't put a price on that.
Keep building Peter & keep sharing some not all your knowledge 🤫🤫.
I dont wanna think about it, drived 550km today and loved my favourite music
We ha e good people in ny too. Here we have nick from apicella. And a few others . People here complain about their prices. But look at the work. And they do recording as they work. And no one can speak bad about them. That's why everyone loves pete and these guys.
Thank you Peter! I enjoy your candor and have learned a lot watching your videos over the last month after finding your channel.
Well said Peter. Your videos are always thought provoking and interesting. Good to see an update on the Honda. Looking forward to the next one :)
Again I'm blown away by the work you do. If my build comes out half as good as yours I'll be happy.
As an owner of a SQ car audio/audio company, when answering this question,, you have to sell yourself, your company, and your work, which is essentially wat this video was. I think what you do best is showing your work through YT video. The detail, the explanation, the showcasing, the instructional videos, the components you use, the final install, and the demo session of each build, is enough for me to think that your companies attention to detail is top notch. I would have no concerns bringing my car to you, as I can see your work through your YT videos.
The problem I have is when audio shops charge so much, but you have no way on understanding how well of a job they're actually going to do when you choose to have them build you a system. SO many shops have little to no pics, videos, or reviews. They're very basic, but still charge a lot. If these shops took some time out to simply make a YT channel and give it 10-20% the effort that you do, I am positive they would have more business and less bad reviews. But too many don't, charge a customer, do a crap install, and the customer is left with a sub-par job at a high cost.
Thank you for the kind words! I learnt that we can’t change everyone and we have to let other shops operate whatever way they want. Disappointed customers will walk away eventually. All we can do is to spread the word and set the bar high, so everyone can learn from it. 🔊🔊
Thank you for honest from the heart info as always!
Thanks Peter. Passionate for your craft.
Great watch Peter.
Just found you today
Sensible , knowledgeable approach to car audio
Happy...happy..happy..watch the last video before this one. You will hear Peter's customer say it again and again. Isn't that the point of all this? For the love of music and sound. I think for most of us living in this crazy world today we are looking for a sanctuary..a place where we can escape our daily struggles. For me and I'm sure for many of you who love music, our cars have become that place of solitude where we can escape the daily grind. How can we put a price on that? If the customer has the funds to hire an installer such as Peter and the end result is even better than was expected and the customer is ecstatic about what was achieved in his automobile..then it was worth everything he spent on it. As a d.i.y. guy, out of necessity more than desire, I can tell you even doing it yourself is expensive. Especially if your experimenting turns out to be a total disaster. Then you have to tear It all out and try again. How do you put a price on knowledge and experience? Not even to mention the investment in tools and equipment that the expert has to invest. So when I am in my garage with my stone axe carving out some holes for my subwoofers, I dream about how it would be if I could just hire someone such as Peter with all his knowledge and skill, to help me find that brown note, that place of solitude, that sanctuary!
If you can afford that and you drive away happy, then by all means do it! I'm sure the choice to put certain speakers in the front and different in the back was for good reason. Happy..happy..happy.
Sorry for ranting on your comment section Peter, I read the comments on the other video as you mentioned..I dont know why I got so passionate about it. As always, I enjoy your videos and the expertise you share on TH-cam...and all this for free! Peace
Colby Dolby i always try to read all comments in the first few days, so feel free to write long comments, it keeps me going too! 👌🤘
I have different speakers at the back as that is a very specific application and only very few drivers are suitable for that! 👌
The price is right if the client is willing to pay it. That said, It's always good for enthusiasts to share their work, knowledge and experience as that's what advances and keeps the hobby going.
Thank you Peter!
The rule of thumb I read when I first got into audio was to budget $1 for install for every $1 spent on equipment. Based on your own anecdote with the Honda, the ratio is higher than this, more than 2:1 install vs equipment. This is excellent information to keep in mind. 👍
I was installing 5k-10k in the 80’s! I competed in under 100 watt class, probably 15k back then! We did very little more than maybe a fiberglass custom sub enclosure. Today that would easily be 25k to even 50k! We could also replace a factory radio and you would have $250, and it was blah!
I installed my own system in a 2018 Ford f150 supercrew. 11k in total from hardware, materials and tools. Still haven't finished a final install as I'm waiting for some aluminum work to get the amps/dsp on a solid mounting rack. Many hours of deadening, making rcas, making wire runs and soldering connections, chasing down rattles etc. And thats before tuning and measurements etc. If I could afford a high quality installer I'd have gone that route but it is what it is. I may bring the truck to a shop for tuning once I am happy with my install.
I want to instal a system in a Chevy Silverado one day... any chance you could post a video when u finish your system? I would love to hear it
@@todisboss23
There are several good build logs with photos in Silverados on the DIY Mobile Audio Forums (DIYMA) and Car Audio Junkies Forums. Just Google Search "DIYMA Silverado build log". You can look for Sierra, F-150, Dodge RAM, and other similar trucks to get more ideas.
In my experience, it is fairly easy to achieve really great sound in the Silverado. In trucks, always put your subwoofer(s) on the Passenger side...regular cab or dual cab doesn't matter.
When you place your subwoofer(s) on the driver's side, it creates a big null or cancellation in the bass when you listen from the driver's seat. ;)
Nick Wingate Jr, an IASCA SQ competitor & judge, and a rep for ORCA USA (Focal, Illusion Audio, Raven, Mosconi/Gladen distributor) has a really great system in his Silverado...Raven subwoofers, Focal Flax 6.5" midbass in OEM door locations, and Illusion Audio C3CX 3'' coaxials in top dash locations, with Gladen Aerospace DSP. Has won several 1st place trophies (not that that is the "end all/be all" indication of top quality sound).
Taking it to a shop denies the owner of the privilege and the pride of doing it themselves.
When it’s done, after all the nights, and weekends, and problem solving, you can say when someone asks that you did it and take a great deal of pride in that.
👌👍 nice to watch as usual... and most of the time a new vid from you right before I want to go to sleep... Where do you get your energy from Peter? 😀
Oh I forgot... of course; when u do something u like you also get energy from it as well... 👍
Thanks Peter. I think the bmw was at the price i expected.
Love your videos!
Good talk. Love the videos!
"Yes you can get it cheaper but it sound like shit" lol. The cheap route ends up costing more once it's all said and done. Plus some big builds are still being paid for.
I learnt 1st hand from the "trying to make the cheap route work" it really does cost more in the end, rather save and get the right stuff when you can, you will appreciate it far better.
Oh my! That audio system sounds...like a recording studio! Eargasm on it's purest!
On the funny way, this is what happens when you use music to listen to your sound system! Audiophile level!
32:00 I got a little emotional. It would be a terrible loss to humanity to loose all your knowledge. 🙏🏼❤️💪🏼🤠🖖🏼
Thank you Peter.
9 speakers plus sub, amp, sound deadening and wires cost me about $750. Bought sub and amp new/used. Saved money watching your videos and installed everything myself.
$4k is cheap. I paid that for a build with nowhere close to your quality of work and I provided all the equipment
That would very easily get you a full Sony Mobile ES system with 2 subs under a false floor and a proper amp rack. Best SQ for the price
You are paying for the knowledge !
Great video Peter. For people's information for example a budget of 3k for equipment. Simple but SQ system, 3 way. Then have the car owner do all the build, wire runs, sub install. Then at $50.00 per hour. Now add up the days spent and then they can see it's not cheap. On another note appreciate sharing the current awesome sub build for the Honda. 👏 Amazing.
If you were charging too much the market would show that, and im sure peter would take his cars to this "much cheaper option"
The reality is that peter is 1 of not very many who have the ability, once this is established then price can be spoken about, but its not ever a given.
Some people will never understand a quality build
800 hour car, 100 days. I can tell. When you played your demo@17:00. Well done!
Please don't die next week, Peter xD. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and making the point of the importance of costs of installation vs material. A lot of people spend all their money on material and when they go to a proper installer, they get mad for the install costs. Well, spend your money wisely. Cause your expensive system will sound shit, as you very well said.
Aw Peter thx brother! Ur a legend!
@Luke Hollosy
Do you offer Remote Tuning?
@@bbfoto7248 no I know at least one guy that does on reddit.
@Luke Hollosy
Thanks. I don't need remote tuning services personally. I was just asking in general for others that may be interested. ;) Cheers.
Great video! Saved it for the time when i'm going to get a car. Prepare yourself, i'm going to annoy you with tons of questions then!
lekvaroskilincs haha buy it now and drive it to HUN with good boom boom 🔊🔊😃😎
@@pssound9749 yeah i think that will be my plan. buy a car here, leave it with you and drive it home with boom boom when i move back
Great clip Peter , always going above and beyond the level that’s needed when sharing information with us. Made me laugh out loud when you mentioned the part about our wives knowing why we spend so much time and money on our equipment and installs. She thinks I need to see a psychiatrist for my obsession with sound reproduction.
myboy051 😂😂
I always tell her that it’s better than going to the pub, getting drunk / gambling / drugs / chasing other women, so she can be happy with the audio addiction! 😂
@@pssound9749 - 🤣 I swear on everything in my life. I tell my wife the exact same thing , word for word. I really don’t smoke do drugs chase women or go out to drink. A six pack will last me about 4-5 weeks in my fridge. I’ll have one or maybe two with dinner once in a while. I used to ride dirt bikes and street bikes. I sold all 3 of them so I wouldn’t get hurt and not be able to work. Used to spend a lot of money on going to track days on my Honda CBR 600RR or Suzuki GSX-R 750. Had to slow things down a bit
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. This is a hard hobby to get the max results on a limited budget.
$5k doesn’t sound bad at all for the level of install and performance of end result. I feel that if anyone is talking about why that’s so expensive then they don’t know what they’re talking about. I would have no problem dropping double that to get a quality sq build in my vehicle.
id gladly drop that much on a system built by you Peter. im on my second spl build now, im still learning. Hopefully in the future my work can be like yours! Keep up the excellent quality!
Guy 1 says “I want a fast car that corners like a race and stops on a dime”.
Guy 2 says” yeah that would be cool”.
Mechanic says” how fast do you want to go”?
Guy 1 says “really fast, but it has to handle really good, and stop on a dime”.
Mechanic says “ well it’s very simple, how fast your car is directly proportionate to the size of your check book”. So how fast did you say you want to go?
Engine 12k and up
Trans 3k
Suspension 7k and up
EFI and associated parts 3k and up
Wheels 500 and up
Brakes 2k and up
Induction system, turbo or supercharger 7k and up
Tuning priceless, cause if it ain’t tuned right that motor will not live long.
So really it’s all about how much you are willing to spend, and what you expect as an end result. So yeah, a person can spend a lot of money, or maybe try doing something’s themselves, maybe not buy the best of everything, maybe buy second hand, but definitely have reasonable expectations about what is there.
The only way I'll save on the build is because I did the complete sound deadening and trying to get hiend equipment new at a good price , I can do some of the easy wiring , using ferrels and doing te h flex on the cables, but some things have to be done by the professionals, just the two mmatts6150 cost me $2200, plus the mmatts md4100 for the bass shakers is another $300, agm battery $300, the zapco hdsp v $1800, plus another $ 200 for bluetooth module, all the speakers, tweeters, widebands ,subwoofer, all from cdtaudio, $ 2000, their top of the line ,es and hd line, plus headunit pioneer avh 501 ex $ 350, and other things like cable, rca's, battery isolator, but it's all worth it, plus bass shakers, the buttkicker are expensive, about 270 each, unless you get the aurasound for $50, but theres a big difference, it's a very expensive hobby, but if your an audiophile it does not matter, you just have to have a budget, mine is $10,000 or less.
no bullshit here. Thanks again
Reality is, any well done audio is NOT cheap...but it also will vary from vehicle to vehicle. Anything custom is going to be time inclusive and expensive if it is to be right. It all comes down to your installer as well.....i would gladly pay a known installer more for the quality that they are known for. People want great sound cheap and it just doesn't work that way......you have to be willing to pay for the knowledge behind the build.
my system retails for $24k .... i couldnt be happier... i could never go back a lesser sound.
What have u got?
@@pssound9749 Focal Utopia M front stage.
Focal KRC rears.
2 Illusion Audio 12" subs.
2 Mosconi Zero 4s.
1 Zero 3
Mosconi AMAS96
8-12 Aerospace
mini controller
ooh, i forgot,,,, seats, console & carpet removed for sound deadening.
all 4 doors, too. inner & outer.
Stinger 9000 interconnects
HI, love your work. Can you describe the sound difference between the X6 and the new arco? Thanks
joey X6 was a great driver, but i can only understand the difference now when all the speakers are made from the same manufacturer with the same topology, cone material & geometry, that now they all play with the same refinement throughout the spectrum with super low distortion.
Thats right peter, all my family,and some of my friends wonder why I spend so much on my audio system ,because I can, I love music , some like to fish, or build models, well car audio is my hobbie, I truly love it ,and I will never be done ,as long as my power bill is paid,and food in the fridge, every other dime is put into my system,its not gonna end any time soon!!!
Man Pete I appreciate your openness about equipment, installation and incidentals. Like everyone I want a good if not great system for a guy like me who is very budgeted. For my peace of mind does a dsp really put a good system to the next level or aleast I think I have a decent daily driver system. I'm still up in the air about dsp but I was considering audio control or alpine
E. Davis a DSP can truly take things to the next level, but needs knowledge of tuning too.
I’d look for Zapco or Helix.
Thanks I'll save up for a zapco or helix
Figure $100 usd an hour labor x 8 hours a day=$800 x 25 days=$$20,000 just for install. Well done.
I like to see people with passion, Elon Musk ask tell me about a topic you had to know a lot about…. And you my friend, squeezed your brain to the max… thanks brotha 💪🏼
Peter I am super eager to learn more about audio tuning if you offer that service in the future!
If you haven’t seen already, Peter has a tuning series on his channel.
Joe Whittle indeed, those video can help a lot, but they are only scratching the surface! 😃
Most of the installers near me I wouldn't trust with a install like this. I'd rather drive 4 hours to go see Dean and Fernando and be sure it gets done right the first time. Honestly the only thing I need help with would be the tuning and the milkshake fabrication for the pods. I have trust issues, especially when 11k of JL Audio equipment is involved.
Are you on the east coast? If so, have you ever found an installer over here at that level? PB, Broward, or Martin county?
As I say in work, you didn't have time or money to do it right the first time but you somehow had the money and time to do it right the second and third time. it's a joke. The money and time needed to do it right costs money but as usual, no one wants to pay for the TIME and KNOWLEDGE it takes to do it. They think flat price for the kit alone is what it should cost without any install or tuning time. it's just the ignorance of the general public when it comes to pricing work in the correct way. Thankfully when dealing with b2b they know the score and dont question when they get quoted hundreds of pounds PER HOUR for work, they know why. Unfortunately the vast majority of the general public just don't understand overheads and operating costs.
So true.
mk lai i always give a proper quote for every part of the installation and material costs and at the end it’s within 20% of the original estimate. You only know what you deal with once you pull the car to bits. 👌
i have been build my system for years still not finish! i want it to sound right but i didn't have the fund to go to the pro , so i understand why it cost so much just labor alone.
I hate being that guy to shed out Red Pills here. But some people just don't have the taste palette for Audio or even sound much beyond understating basic speech. It's like convincing a person to buy Pizza by the slice for $5.00 when you get get a whole Pizza at 7-Eleven for for a fiver and maybe a free 2 liter of Soda.
The reason why so few are interested in truly high end audio reproduction in cars and S.Q.is simply down to taste. Most people are not able to understand much beyond the reason why plastic wood dash is not better then wood dash with imperfections etc. They just can't seem to understand why the patina of an item adds so much warmth or character to an object etc.
People who worry about money do so since they are to lazy to care about learning about what they are trying to achieve and just want the simple grocery store approach or Fast food of audio in general. And that's just how it is. And that fine. What pains me is that others want to always "FIX" our hobby. Its almost exclusively a male hobby as well. And that seems to rub people the wrong way. Oh well. As in all things in life, not everyone has been gifted with the soul to enjoy such pleasures.
It's like those that enjoy Caviar. You won't catch me at IKEA enjoying any of it. I don't care if its $3.00 or $300. Not going in my mouth. :-)
So when folks start balking about the costs of our hobby, time or gear ? Sometimes it's just best to nod and look away. They just don't get it and might never. To those of us that LOVE audio? We get it. We love your work. And we love those that enjoy the finer things in life.
I hope you did not feel to defend your fees. Its worth it, just like some people buy a Bugatti, or a Rembrandt painting. Some of your work look like Van Gogh, with milkshake, metal balls and fillings, fibreglass, etc.... I wish I could listen to that Honda. Wish my Honda sounded like that. Some people spend more on cheap drugs up their nose! Your the best. Others I like are Nick Apicella, Matt Schaeffer and Mark of CarAudioFabrication...
I'm looking at ,zapco, ground zero, Moschino, arc , and had a thought of the helix
Those are all good brands depending on which models you choose from their lineup.
In terms of DSP, I would also not overlook the miniDSP C-DSP 8x12 v2 with Dirac Live. The Dirac Live is a game changer IMO!
I tend to mix and match the best drivers (speakers) from different brands based on their performance and intended use (frequency range or "passband"). For instance, in one of my installs I have Gladen Aerospace 20 tweeters, Focal Utopia 3.5WM midrange, GR-Research M165X 7" midbass, and old school Infinity Beta 15" subwoofers.
Many of the Scanspeak Revelator and Illuminator speakers are amazing as well...their entire line from subwoofers to tweeters. Even some of their less expensive "Discovery" drivers are excellent.
As Peter can attest to, some of the Audible Physics drivers are excellent. The choices are endless unfortunately! :-P
Rule number 1 you get what you pay for. Quality is rarely cheap.
Hi Pete, what Bluetooth model you're talking about @ 24:00 . Thanks for informative video's and GL
Giedrius Andrulaitis that HD BT is only supplied for the Zapco HDSP-V.
I hope the 4.5K is for labor and equipment is additional. If not, you should raise your rates
Abraham Thompson no, i should live in another country!
And from personal experience, no cost is too much if it makes you feel good..
Maro Vucetic and people say money 💴 can not make you happy!? 😃🤣
@@pssound9749 Couldn't be further from the truth!!!😉👌🔉🔉🔈
Have you seen the systems in the US like NYC and NJ called chuchero where they put like 30 speakers in vans --- you think they have quality speakers, DSP, and amplifiers? some of the brands I was not even aware of.
I'm thinking on how to ,do (ib) for my mid bass ,front stage now!!!
Same like Peter did with my Megane!😁👌
@Dennis Walker
Several IASCA & MECA competitors have some IB midbass installs this with very good results in the USA.
On the DIYMA Forums, search for the Build Logs for Ben Zimmerman's BMW, and ErinH "2006 Honda Civic LX Neverending Tale".
Look up *Apicella Auto Sound* TH-cam channel...Nick did a walkthrough video and interview of Ben's World Champion BMW IB system.
Ben has Hybrid Audio Technologies (H.A.T.) 7" X6 drivers IB in his custom dash and 15" Clarus IB trunk subwoofer.
ErinH had 10" Scanspeak & then 10" Ciare midbass drivers IB in his kickpanels (he has a new 2019 Civic now with Audiofrog GB60 as midbass in the OEM door locations (see Erin's Audio Corner on TH-cam).
components is the easy part! just stay away from the cheapest no name crap and you will be fine. install and tuning is where all the work is!
Pretty true !!!
I tried going the cheap route . First the equipment lookalike shit and theres no warranty. Then the time you have to spend t ok go see used stuff.
Damn, I wish you were located in the states.
There are plenty of good shops there too! 🤘🔊🔊
Do Infinite baffle subwoofers change sound alot with the window down because it would change your box sizes? Was also courageous if you use any special speaker wire or just regular copper wire and if you run any of your wires a certain way because of cross resonance.
Stormy Young when you drop the window, the low lows can become very windy for sure! This setup can do hairtricks too! 😳😖😂 Check out the Honda playlist in description! 👌🔊🔊
Stormy Young wires: i use good quality copper from Tchernov Cable & Stinger, nothing super fancy as there are so many other things that matter way way more!! 💪🤘
@Stormy Young
Opening your windows might make a difference but it will depend on the interior size or volume of the vehicle's closed cabin.
IB means INFINITE Baffle, i.e. the "Enclosure" is infinitely large. Depending on a few particular specs of the speaker or subwoofer, once the "enclosure" reaches or surpasses a particular size or volume, it no longer has any influence on the frequency response if the volume of the airspace continues to increase, i.e. "opening your windows".
So, in theory, if your IB setup is done properly in accordance with the subwoofer's specs, there shouldn't be much difference in response when the windows are opened. YMMV
What is your take on active crossover, and subs? I am not a believer that you need these things to make a world class system.
I am perfectly happy with passive crossovers and without a sub in my system.
The measurements are relatively flat and the use of EQ does wonders for improving bass.
Barbecue Tech Tips have you seen the “SQ in car playlist” and the part about active/passive/DSP?
@Barbeque Tech Tips
Well, you can get "great sound" (relative term) from a fairly simple passive component system *IF it is installed properly*
HOWEVER, quite frankly, if you do not have a Subwoofer, and you have never heard a properly installed and tuned Active System, you simply Do Not Know what you're missing.
Without meaning to sound nasty or condescending, you are simply ignorant with regards to what an Active System with a proper DSP and a subwoofer can offer in terms of acoustic performance and soundstaging IN A VEHICLE.
There is absolutely NO WAY to achieve top quality audio in a vehicle without having Time Alignment (digital delay), adjustable crossovers, and Independent Left & Right EQ for Each Speaker and subwoofer, PERIOD.
Try to get out and listen to one of these Top 10 SQ competition cars and only then you will understand and hear for yourself what you think you have not been missing.
Otherwise, you simply cannot understand or comment about it because you have never actually experienced it for yourself. Get out there and HEAR what IS possible.
But it's so. Uch nicer to put everything new and good stuff. Good amps like zapco ap mmatts. Both the best in sq. One a/b the other d class are not cheap. Pete shows many options that will help make it less expensive and still sound awesome. Like tweeter and midrange passive and midbass active. Plus rear fill with coaxial or wideband to help balance the front. But it's all up to us what we want. After seen his clean installs and all the other pros. How can we get a shitty job. I saved big money on things I can do myself and let me tell you to do a car 98% sound deadened with a good 80mil to 120 mil. Then closed cell foam and I still havent done the exterior wheel well. Which actually help tremendously to cover the noise from tire rotation. And to help with some of the outside rattle. It took me about two weeks of hard work. Yes here in New York they wanted 4000 and I know they were not gonna do as ma y layers as I did.
I would suggest you learn how sound deadening material works. Just covering everything is wasteful of your money and time. It needs to only go in certain places. Some places may need multiple layers.
You mentioned the 8ch amp with the DSP. I hear some people say that class D has less sound quality. Is the difernce big? Im trying to decide between an amp like that or a stand alone DSP + 4ch amp. Zapco, Class AB, had like a 108 signal to noise ratio. Would there be a big diference in sound quality?
10 years ago full range class D amps may not have sounded good simply due to low sampling rates. Nowadays the processors are faster and you can get really good sounding full range class d amps. Companies like JL Audio, Alpine, MTX, JBL have been making high end, great sounding class D amps for years now.
Very good video. There is way too much focus on the products vs. the quality of the install. Not sure why anyone would not rather go with properly installed and tuned mid-segment components than poorly installed and not tuned high cost components? Probably comes down to the fact that people in general are not doing their homework. Too much bias towards an "expectation" that certain brands "sound better".
@Carl Norrbom
It is simply because very few people even realize or understand that "acoustics" is a thing, and that the physics of sound + how our auditory system works is an incredibly important consideration...especially in a small, highly-reflective environment such as a vehicle interior.
The general public just thinks that it is Only the Quality or COST of the EQUIPMENT that can possibly make the sound quality better. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.
Peter, Hi! What's the name of the track at the end? Thank u!
Unfortunately you won’t find it online.
It’s a band a used to work with as a sound engineer and they don’t have albums online.
To me anything over 5k for a car is over kill at that point just build a good control room in ur house if u have the room whole different kind of accuracy
As Peter said...it DEPENDS on the particular vehicle and what OEM speaker locations it has, along with how much room to install DSP and amps, etc.
I would say that $5k *might* be the point of diminishing returns for the EQUIPMENT alone. But in terms of the quality of the INSTALLATION (Sound Deadening, Wiring, Custom Speaker Mounts & Subwoofer Enclosures, etc.), you can easily spend $5k if you want REAL QUALITY and an install that doesn't take up all or most of your usable Cargo space! Again, it A LOT DEPENDS on the vehicle.
Yes, it's much easier to achieve great sound in a home audio system, especially if you make DIY Speakers and Subwoofers.
HOWEVER, not everyone is in a position to have the space or the time to listen (in peace and quiet) while at home.
Many live in very small homes with no room for a good system (use good headphones instead), or they can't listen undisturbed when they are at home due to children or other family members activities and schedules.
Or they live in an apartment/flat/condominium where they can't turn it up loud or have really great bass.
Our vehicles are the one place that we will usually have "private time" when when drive to work, or take a road trip, etc. We can play any type of music we want, and turn it up as loud as we want. :) And hey, we can still sit in our car even while at home and enjoy our music without disturbing anybody. ;)
bb foto thanks, now I didn’t need to write the same answer! 😃🤣
@@bbfoto7248 that’s fine but if u read what I said I said if u have the space
Uncle J bird yes, that “if” is the main issue! Check out the Porsche Boxter tuning video and listen to the feedback of the owner towards the end.
@@pssound9749 yes sir love what u do peter
SQ system labor pricing should cost $1000 a day, or $10000 to start.
Hi! Tell me please, I am currently using a Pioneer p90 and a DEQ-P90 processor as a processor. and as a source I use an IBasso 220 player. Will it make a difference if I put a ZAPCO HDSP-Z16 V AD-8A 8-CHANNEL and connect it to an IBasso Dx 220. I have a three-way system with per-channel sound amplification through brax Matrix MX2 and MX4 amplifiers.
Any DSP is better now IF there is also someone who can it tune properly. P90 is very limited in tuning compared to what you can do with Zapco / Helix / Mosconi products.
@@pssound9749 Thanks for the detailed answer. I would also like to hear your opinion, what will be better in my system Zapco 8-channel processor or Brax DSP? if it makes sense to overpay a few thousand dollars, will the increase in sound be so noticeable or not, thanks)
I finally spent about $6000 and my wife agrees it's worth it ,she loves music, but I'm thinking withing that price I have yet to buy the zapco 16 channel hdsp v, I can get it used for 500 dollars less or do you recommend I buy new with the bluetooth module, I need that I will also use a fiio x5 old model,plus other things via coaxial and spidf, such I buy new pete.
eduardo batista HDSP V for $500? Something stinks there! 😳😖😃
No pete ,I'm sorry, you misunderstood me, used I can get it for about 500 dollars less, so hes asking $ 1,250, new i can get it for $ 1,789 , shit imagine that for $500
eduardo batista haha sorry i didn’t read it properly then! 😃 The HD BT module is an add on, just plugs straight in like a usb. Definitely worth having! 👌🔊🔊
Hey pete I didn't buy the zapco sp, instead I bought the mmatts6150, two of those and one md4100 for bass shakers, because they are class d , their easier on my electrical, I have a 2017 prius v, here they are the best sq class d ,they say on the same level as the zapco ap or lx, when they told me that I was sold, have u heard of them.
eduardo batista they don’t sell that brand over here or EU, so no clue. 🤷🏻♂️
Ok, thank u
It's the only american made class d that is on the same level as zapco ap or lx. But I understand because you guys have a lot of brands we do not get here unless its imported, but the only reason I chose class d is because it easier on the electrical and smaller, two fit in the same space as a zapco, and like you said before, they never get hot,
The only thing I'm missing now is the zapco hdsp v 16 channel, do I need to change the .modules, or can I still get 192 through the coaxial input, I have also a ifi dsd dac for the headunit which converts to 192, but I dont want to spend more money , except for the bluetooth card
eduardo batista no class D is on the same level, whatever sales people tell you! They can work great, but...
Peter, or any other installers here, had any experience with the ground zero dsp, for tru sq , just need some feed back,
Dennis Walker not unfortunately.
Hey Peter I would like to know your take on High End Speakers like Warfedale speaker that cost $20k and the likes. It seems that many of these audiophile components are 20-40k a piece. How much is that amp? $20K, How much is this phono player? $20K, how about these Cryo treated Wires? $20k ect. I want good audiophile quality without the ridicules sticker shock. I just wonder how much of the Avant Garde grade components are expensive solely because of the Design and Craftsmanship of the enclosure but not the sound performance. Aren't you a sound engineer? I bet you could build a set of home floor speakers for a fraction. and if you compare what you do vs Audiophile Home equipment, you are a bargain.
ZE_GERMAN you haven’t seen the videos showing my latest home setup that i built during lockdown, have you? 😃
Yes, you don’t need 50-100k to have a stunning system! I would focus more on room treatment, speaker placement and acoustic adjustments instead of fancy cables 💯! 👌🔊🔊
@@pssound9749 I have some catching up to do
How can I contact you? I know yr BUSY. I've got a couple questions about yr midrange kick panel comments. Let me know. Thanks big time.
K Hunigan contact is in description. 👌
@@pssound9749 Appreciate yr reply. I'll be in touch.
Where is part 3?
Click on the Sound quality in Car playlist and you can see all parts in chronological order.
i'm in to budget sound systems, i'm gonna do my fiesta and it will cost roughly 1k
Let me know how you get on. It’ll be tight!
@@pssound9749 i have most of the equipment already like 5k dc audio amp, 4 channel amp, alpine head unit, epicenter 160, 0 gauge power cable, 2 fi audio subs in a box tuned to 30hz, all i have to buy now is uprated alternator, batterys, rca leads door speakers, sound deadening and a few more little things like 0 gauge connectors etc
thurman merman then overall you’re multiple times over 1k.
@@pssound9749 all the equipment came out of my bro's golf and was given to me, i suppose it is worth around 2k but it's the other bits like sound proofing, alternator, baterrys and so on which will cost me under a grand
im sure the honda has 50k of labor in it alone.
peter i thank you for showing us what you do. i haven't touched car audio in years. watching you has pushed me to want to get into it again. i have learned many of the things on my own like you years ago. there is some really great information, tips, tricks in your videos if someone wants to learn. i definitely picked up a few. i cant wait to play with some good widebands and a dsp. they were not a thing when i was into car audio.
MRgreen yes, a lot has changed for sure! A good tuning with a pair of good widebands installed in optimal location can do magic in a very simple way!
Car audio has never been simple, but there are new tricks you can apply now! 👌🔊🔊
5000 pounds is cheap foe that Peter!!!!
800 hours for an experienced installer?
Indeed!
@@pssound9749 That's a LOT of work Peter. Does that include the planning portion and drying time of anything curing during the build? If so then that makes total sense on a full build.
@@666hobart When something needs time to dry or cure you just switch to another job. Got to stay busy.
im second hand man xD
Carlichi that’s how you can get the best deals if you know what u need! 👌
@@pssound9749 im looking 4 audison vrx i think is top amp ,,,
My minimum budget was 50k 💷
And what did you get from it?
Your a rip off mate 🤣 just joking it takes pro to do a good job it does take many hours building, locations , and setup, and your a pro 👍
Haha have you seen that post few days ago when i was called rip off? 😃😂