Become a Channel Member! / @icedcoffeegaming Discord: / discord #fireemblem #fireemblemengage #feengage In this video I rank units based on how good they are on Lucina and why.
I would debate upon putting Bunet in Great because he theoretically can combine his personal (Luck% to not consume meal) with Favourite Food to string 3 engages together without needing to fight enemies or use emblem pools to recharge, which while fairly unlikely he does have a 60% luck growth in Wolf Knight and I’d argue that the various goddess icons are far from being in high demand except by Anna and Bunet for their personals. Micaiah engrave and his great support list are sufficient to avoid stack, and his fairly decent defenses in comparison to bonded shield targets like Chloé or Pandreo further ensures he is not attacked and his allies are. It’s a shame his luck can’t be stacked to reliable levels, but his personal does sometimes benefit him in holding a chokepoint for many turns. His lackluster combat performance also makes it so there virtually no opportunity cost in using him solely in a support role while units above him like Alear, Ivy, Pandreo have far more to offer as combat units than Bunet does. Overall while he certainly is far from the best, his personal puts him in an interesting though unreliable position where he can have a significant niche over the rest of the cast, especially if playing slower, in a game where most personals are fairly weak, and even fewer are beneficial in a pure support role like a Bonded Shield user. BUNET PROPOGANDA. (I’ve also been theorising trying Thief Bunet with Byleth to maximise his Luck with Byleths stat bonuses and Luck+ and try to continually Speed Instruct/Goddess Dance while also having Failnaught 3-range chip as an option)
wolf knight zelkov is generally my go to pick for cavalry bonded shield nowadays - canter and spd+5 sync perfectly with both dagger chipping bosses and increasing his avoid to support anna/jean/citrinne/kagetsu/ivy. definitely recommend him
Honestly feel like you got tired of making this list by the time you got to Lapis and just considered who she has supports with. She has her passive which actively will give her avoid and in terms of support bonuses, Fogado can give her a ton of avoid. Anna, Framme, Alcryst, and Alear can also give her more avoid as well. With her naturally high speed, and at worst a decent amount of avoid bonuses, she'll work fine with Lucina's Bonded Shield if that's the route you want to go with her on. If you wanted to go with a Cav focused team that uses Wolf Knight Lapis, Fogado on Cupido, Anna on Mage Knight, and Alear on any Cav based class, Lapis would work pretty well with Lucina. She'd reliably stack enough avoid to not be targeted with this type of a core and her passive giving that extra +10 Avoid is icing on the cake. In terms of the type of build you would run on Lapis specifically, Wolf Knight Debuff Lapis with Draconic Hex and Canter is an option. If you don't want Canter, then you could always give her an Avoid+ skill to make her even more evasive or Gentility/Bravery to give her bulk/offensive punch when needed. If you wanted to go a flier route instead, then you could go Wyvern Lord for Lapis, Alear, Alcryst, or Boucheron and potentially Griffin Knight for Anna, Goldmary, and Celine. Between Alear, Fogado, and Anna, you should always have at least one high bond level moderately useful Bonded Shield recipient to tank for you and you'd definitely have high enough avoid to avoid getting targeted more often than not. That is easy High B or Low A at worst.
Lapis Passive is relevant, I consider her a worse combat unit than other options though, her supports could be better but yes, you can always bond an Anna or Alear. I like Framme because she can recharge bonded faster by quadding on Flashing Fist fairly easily, Lapis could go for a brave sword but it is quite heavy for her and she lacks BLD
Alcryst skill "get behind me" gives him +3 strength every time an ally within 3 tiles of him gets attacked, making him a decent attacker after using bonded shield.
I've always thought that, in a vacuum, veyle is a solid choice simply because of fell protection. In a 100% guarantee class feels powerful, and maybe even the damage mitigation is preferred. Too bad her availability is dogwater.
I ran Lapis, Wolf Knight, Lucina and it worked okay. Just puts poison and dracon hex on everything through chain attacks. I choose Lapis becouse she had good avoid (for bonded sheild)
I know it’s not a huge shift, but I think Lapis deserves higher than she was given upon looking at her support list. She also gains Avoid+10 when adjacent to an ally and is early enough in the game to inherit Avoid+ skills from Marth if that’s your goal. I don’t even run Lapis what am I doing? Lol
On my 2nd Maddening playthrough and Lapis Wyvern Knight with an engraved Folkvangr+5 and she destroys everything aside like thiefs. The fact she is paired with Edelgard makes her able to one round flyers too!
Leveling Framme in the early game for her to keep pace requires too much work/stalling for my playstyle. I usually give micky to Anna or Jean, and on a good day Framme reaches level 9-10 by ch 10. I can never get behind the framme train unless I'm staff/chain guard abusing. And at that point I don't feel like I'm playing FE anymore.
for me the 4 best characters for lucina are alear diamond alfred and louis Alear because 90% chance to protect allies and everyone succeeds all for one diamond because he can help everyone with his big swords as well as he's a very good tank so it's excellent for protecting allies as well as all for an increase of one box alfred it's because he takes hits well and has a lot of pv and louis ol plays his tank role
Worth mentioning that with DLC, the support avo matters a lot less because you can put the Tiki engrave on the bonded shield target to drop their avo by 20. Also Lapis's personal combined with sword power on the target is equal to 20 avo making support avo irrelevant. I've used both of these strats and they work.
I just finished the avalanche chapter on Maddening and I can't explain how valuable bonded shield has been. I went with Griffin Knight Framme as the bonder. I just stick her with a flyers only squad (Lapis, Ivy, Alear and Chloè). The added mobility of flying bonder is good but the recharge is an issue versus Marshall Mathers Framme. It shines most in the Lyn paralogue for sure.
What I do with Framme is I give here Iron Body Art the Micaiah engraving, then, once I promote her, I promote her weapon to flashing fist because it gives her +5 speed, then she gets -2 speed from its weight (Micaiah engraving give -1 weight) and she still gets net +6 bc Luci and flashing fist art combined is stupid op lmao, her standing avoid by lvl 20 is already over 100 avoid.
This video is just... weird... Evaluating who wants Lucina based solely on one aspect of her is... extremely shortsighted and one-dimensional. And then on top of that basing the ratings based on whether the units have supports with units you like... Lucina is probably one of the best emblems in the game and that's without even taking Bonded Shield into consideration. Dual Strike is great on any unit in a non-Backup class type. All For One is great when you're surrounded by teammates in non-Backup classes and need Chain Attack dmg. And Dual Support is insane. Lucina is great on fast, fragile non-Backup units because of Dual Support. This allows you to open up a turn by leading with your Lucina unit to soften up and Draconic Hex a target, or even score a ORKO, and then safely leave them in position to leverage Dual Strike for extra dmg throughout your phase. It's hilarious that a "fast, fragile, non-Backup unit who can ORKO" pretty much perfectly describes Chloé, and yet of course this is the instance where you don't rate her at the top. I'm using her to great effect with this setup, especially since having access to 1-2 rng is so much better for 100% triggers on Chain Attacks (i don't like having to roll for the attack to even trigger before having to roll on whether or not it will hit). I've already mentioned this before Lucina is also a great match for Hortensia. She's going to be softening up targets rather than ORKOing, but she still can easily get super high avo with her spd and Dual Support. Lucina giving dex helps with staff use and with triggering World Tree, so the synergy is incredible. And if you really want to go all in on staff use you can leverage the added lck by inheriting Divine Pulse. And FTR, that dex bit also applies to Chloé. Her insanely high dex on Griffin already makes her one of the best status staff users from the early game, and so Lucina just takes her even further. Luna being a dex trigger would also benefit from Lucina, and Alcryst wants to be near teammates anyway so the synergy is there between his passive and Dual Support. Definitely not bottom tier. Units who are naturally tanky are kind of in a position where Dual Support is a waste on them. So it's not exactly optimal on Alfred or Louis. It's also interesting that a good amount of the units with dex trigger passives are on the tankier side, so again there's a bit of a clash. Backup units also kinda waste Dual Strike, which is a triple whammy for the "tanky Backups with dex triggers" Diamant and Timerra. There's way more to Lucina than Bonded Shield, and every player doesn't rely on Bonded Shield, so doing this video based solely on Bonded Shield is doing a disservice.
Why freeze a boss you can warp to kill it, astra to pull it, or bonded to EP it for more damage/effect? Corrin can snap freeze for free for 3-4 turns and stall with fire forever. Bonded shield is objectively one of the strongest, most game breaking mechanics in FE Engage. To pretend that Dual Strike and free dual assist or any other obscure things Lucina brings to the table matter even half as much as it, is doing people a disservice. Bonded shield in of itself breaks the game and enables 2 units to hold an entire front and 1 round 5-15 enemies a turn with the right setup. In this video I am considering which units can achieve this result via supports with the best combat units in the game NOT my favorite units. I also factor in other things like what classes the bond targets will be on, when units can bond 100% or what classes they themselves will be on, and how that influences your team comp. Alcryst using Lucina to boost his dex IS A MEME. 80% bonded is not as reliable as 90% from dragon or 100% from Qi/Same type Flyer/Cav. If you try to have Alcryst Covert bond a unit and have that unit tank 5-10 enemies, they WILL get hit and can easily die. Alcryst can already 1 round using Lyn or Eirika and running Lunar Brace or Speedtaker on brave bow, why would you waste an entire emblem ring just to increase luna trigger rate by a few %? This isn't even one of his best builds. Lucina is being wasted on him here. At least with something like Lucina Hero, you get dual assist + for free on a brave unit, dual assist + is expensive and requires high bond level to get. This is also a sub-par build that doesn't compete with same type bonded which gets you a combat unit and 100% bonded shield on cavs/flyer squad, both of which have many unit types you can make entire offensive frontlines around. The issue is this, the builds you mention can work, but they are like B/C tier builds vs literal game breaking builds and you want me to shift these builds up to game breaking status when they do not break the game and at best compliment some obscure aspect of a unit in some minor way therefore the build is good? Lucina gives +5 DEX at Bond 19 as max dex increase, this is largely negligible in terms of gameplay. Lyn gives DEX+4 and fixes speed Eirika gives DEX+4 and fixes damage Sigurd gives Dex +4 and gives you Canter/Momentum and extra move/more BLD and def. All 3 of those emblems are better on combat dex based units as they give Dex + some other combat oriented benefit. Lucina is a support emblem so I am evaluating her as a support utility. You CAN run her on a unit to give DEX/SPD, but Lyn does this better, and if you are going to use her on a unit, it should be on a cav, flyer, or Qi Adept so you can greatly benefit your team and completely break the game. As for dual support, I literally factor that in for who can AVO tank with who. I've done dual support teams and they are OK but they aren't as fast as bonded or warpskip teams who can just dive in better and don't care about positioning as much. AVO tanking also isn't exclusive to Lucina, some early game units can get AVO+20, run AVO engravings, and get midgame Lance Agility for +30 AVO on lances at all times, so this aspect of Lucina isn't even unique to her. AVO tanks can be created from different sources fairly easily. ALSO Any unit can unlock Dual Assist, so using Lucina the emblem ring for this passive is a massive pitfall when you are throwing out 100% bonded for a passive you can get at any time. If some new information comes to light that proves how objectively strong some new way of using Lucina is, I will verify and test it myself or at least look at the logic/math behind it to see how it makes sense if it does.
@@Azun_Kurone Divine Pulse certainly works on staves. When you fight Hortensia at Destinea Cathedral, she'll try to attack a unit with a staff when they get into range, and it will trigger Divine Pulse to ensure that it hits.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming i guess if the meta involves not keeping your tanks alive without abusing Bonded Shield? RIP Louis. Not relying on Bonded Shield lets players view the game through an entirely different lens, i suppose. You say "it's a meme", but i say 100% Bonded is a crutch. Also, since Hortensia isn't even a combat unit, she's definitely not using Lyn, Eirika, or Sigurd as well as she uses Lucina. And getting up to 10% more World Tree triggers by equipping Lucina and dex+5 is not negligible. Enemy tomes can't threaten your army if they're silenced. Good way to, for instance, easily deal with Julius and Ishtar on Sigurd's paralogue. Or, perhaps, to facilitate keeping your physical tanks safe from the threat if necessary. Also, since only units already in Backup classes can actually use Dual Assist when inherited, it's not going to be effective on "any unit" and is another reason to equip the ring on a non-Backup unit.
So the best EP thing in the game is now a crutch, AKA it is so good you think it is overpowered/gamebreaking. Hort on Lucina isn't bad because she is fast, is on a flyer, and can bond flyers. Also I don't use it in my runs anymore so there's that :). I don't recall telling people to run Lucina on a backup unit, yes you get redundant backup attacks when using it on a backup and therefore are missing out, I recommended to run it on Qi Adepts, Cavs, Flyers, all of which are non-backup units.
My favorite thing to run with Lucina so far has been an avoid tank Wolf Knight Yunaka. Having 6 move +2 Range for Dual Assist + bonded shield your cavalry units was top tier for me during my maddening run. Not to mention, since she has a dagger her dual assist hits also poison which means you hit them harder on your next attack if needed.
I would debate upon putting Bunet in Great because he theoretically can combine his personal (Luck% to not consume meal) with Favourite Food to string 3 engages together without needing to fight enemies or use emblem pools to recharge, which while fairly unlikely he does have a 60% luck growth in Wolf Knight and I’d argue that the various goddess icons are far from being in high demand except by Anna and Bunet for their personals. Micaiah engrave and his great support list are sufficient to avoid stack, and his fairly decent defenses in comparison to bonded shield targets like Chloé or Pandreo further ensures he is not attacked and his allies are. It’s a shame his luck can’t be stacked to reliable levels, but his personal does sometimes benefit him in holding a chokepoint for many turns. His lackluster combat performance also makes it so there virtually no opportunity cost in using him solely in a support role while units above him like Alear, Ivy, Pandreo have far more to offer as combat units than Bunet does.
Overall while he certainly is far from the best, his personal puts him in an interesting though unreliable position where he can have a significant niche over the rest of the cast, especially if playing slower, in a game where most personals are fairly weak, and even fewer are beneficial in a pure support role like a Bonded Shield user. BUNET PROPOGANDA. (I’ve also been theorising trying Thief Bunet with Byleth to maximise his Luck with Byleths stat bonuses and Luck+ and try to continually Speed Instruct/Goddess Dance while also having Failnaught 3-range chip as an option)
somebody is literally cooking here
wolf knight zelkov is generally my go to pick for cavalry bonded shield nowadays - canter and spd+5 sync perfectly with both dagger chipping bosses and increasing his avoid to support anna/jean/citrinne/kagetsu/ivy. definitely recommend him
Honestly feel like you got tired of making this list by the time you got to Lapis and just considered who she has supports with. She has her passive which actively will give her avoid and in terms of support bonuses, Fogado can give her a ton of avoid. Anna, Framme, Alcryst, and Alear can also give her more avoid as well. With her naturally high speed, and at worst a decent amount of avoid bonuses, she'll work fine with Lucina's Bonded Shield if that's the route you want to go with her on. If you wanted to go with a Cav focused team that uses Wolf Knight Lapis, Fogado on Cupido, Anna on Mage Knight, and Alear on any Cav based class, Lapis would work pretty well with Lucina. She'd reliably stack enough avoid to not be targeted with this type of a core and her passive giving that extra +10 Avoid is icing on the cake.
In terms of the type of build you would run on Lapis specifically, Wolf Knight Debuff Lapis with Draconic Hex and Canter is an option. If you don't want Canter, then you could always give her an Avoid+ skill to make her even more evasive or Gentility/Bravery to give her bulk/offensive punch when needed.
If you wanted to go a flier route instead, then you could go Wyvern Lord for Lapis, Alear, Alcryst, or Boucheron and potentially Griffin Knight for Anna, Goldmary, and Celine.
Between Alear, Fogado, and Anna, you should always have at least one high bond level moderately useful Bonded Shield recipient to tank for you and you'd definitely have high enough avoid to avoid getting targeted more often than not. That is easy High B or Low A at worst.
Lapis Passive is relevant, I consider her a worse combat unit than other options though, her supports could be better but yes, you can always bond an Anna or Alear. I like Framme because she can recharge bonded faster by quadding on Flashing Fist fairly easily, Lapis could go for a brave sword but it is quite heavy for her and she lacks BLD
Chloe not in s tier for once. Holy crap this is a new page in history
Another Etie hate video we’re still in it lads
Alcryst skill "get behind me" gives him +3 strength every time an ally within 3 tiles of him gets attacked, making him a decent attacker after using bonded shield.
Within 2 tiles and I'm fairly certain it doesn't stack. If it does stack this is potentially interesting info but as far as I know it doesn't.
if that skill stacked we would have heard about it by now
I can confirm it does not stack
Qi Adepts = S Tier
Alear = S Tier for supports
Flyer and Cav = A Tier
Heroes = A Tier
Everyone else = C Tier
Framme Meta confirmed?
I've always thought that, in a vacuum, veyle is a solid choice simply because of fell protection. In a 100% guarantee class feels powerful, and maybe even the damage mitigation is preferred. Too bad her availability is dogwater.
i bond her with Alfred (wolf knight), always poison on most units+100% shield on mount units
Haven't watched the video but I promise you Framme is S tier. #FrammeNation
Consider: haha funny dual assist Mage Cannoneer
I ran Lapis, Wolf Knight, Lucina and it worked okay. Just puts poison and dracon hex on everything through chain attacks. I choose Lapis becouse she had good avoid (for bonded sheild)
I know it’s not a huge shift, but I think Lapis deserves higher than she was given upon looking at her support list. She also gains Avoid+10 when adjacent to an ally and is early enough in the game to inherit Avoid+ skills from Marth if that’s your goal.
I don’t even run Lapis what am I doing? Lol
On my 2nd Maddening playthrough and Lapis Wyvern Knight with an engraved Folkvangr+5 and she destroys everything aside like thiefs. The fact she is paired with Edelgard makes her able to one round flyers too!
You finally got me, Lucian is not S tier on Timmera….. damn
Leveling Framme in the early game for her to keep pace requires too much work/stalling for my playstyle. I usually give micky to Anna or Jean, and on a good day Framme reaches level 9-10 by ch 10.
I can never get behind the framme train unless I'm staff/chain guard abusing. And at that point I don't feel like I'm playing FE anymore.
I play quickly and have no trouble leveling her, you just heal something every turn.
She is fun to use! I have her with Lapis. Beating up enemies with a group lol
for me the 4 best characters for lucina are alear diamond alfred and louis
Alear because 90% chance to protect allies and everyone succeeds all for one
diamond because he can help everyone with his big swords as well as he's a very good tank so it's excellent for protecting allies as well as all for an increase of one box alfred it's because he takes hits well and has a lot of pv and louis ol plays his tank role
Worth mentioning that with DLC, the support avo matters a lot less because you can put the Tiki engrave on the bonded shield target to drop their avo by 20. Also Lapis's personal combined with sword power on the target is equal to 20 avo making support avo irrelevant. I've used both of these strats and they work.
I just finished the avalanche chapter on Maddening and I can't explain how valuable bonded shield has been. I went with Griffin Knight Framme as the bonder. I just stick her with a flyers only squad (Lapis, Ivy, Alear and Chloè). The added mobility of flying bonder is good but the recharge is an issue versus Marshall Mathers Framme. It shines most in the Lyn paralogue for sure.
What I do with Framme is I give here Iron Body Art the Micaiah engraving, then, once I promote her, I promote her weapon to flashing fist because it gives her +5 speed, then she gets -2 speed from its weight (Micaiah engraving give -1 weight) and she still gets net +6 bc Luci and flashing fist art combined is stupid op lmao, her standing avoid by lvl 20 is already over 100 avoid.
I can confirm, Hort on Lucina is pretty good. Ran that in my royal run, and it was pretty effective
Jean on Enchanter DLC is pretty good but he struggles to recharge engage meter
Wouldn't using arts to break mages/archers (thief avoid makes this too risky) or item surge elixir (to charge engage) fix that problem?
he lacks good supports
43 minute Lucina vid. Yes please.
This video is just... weird... Evaluating who wants Lucina based solely on one aspect of her is... extremely shortsighted and one-dimensional. And then on top of that basing the ratings based on whether the units have supports with units you like...
Lucina is probably one of the best emblems in the game and that's without even taking Bonded Shield into consideration.
Dual Strike is great on any unit in a non-Backup class type. All For One is great when you're surrounded by teammates in non-Backup classes and need Chain Attack dmg. And Dual Support is insane.
Lucina is great on fast, fragile non-Backup units because of Dual Support. This allows you to open up a turn by leading with your Lucina unit to soften up and Draconic Hex a target, or even score a ORKO, and then safely leave them in position to leverage Dual Strike for extra dmg throughout your phase.
It's hilarious that a "fast, fragile, non-Backup unit who can ORKO" pretty much perfectly describes Chloé, and yet of course this is the instance where you don't rate her at the top. I'm using her to great effect with this setup, especially since having access to 1-2 rng is so much better for 100% triggers on Chain Attacks (i don't like having to roll for the attack to even trigger before having to roll on whether or not it will hit).
I've already mentioned this before Lucina is also a great match for Hortensia. She's going to be softening up targets rather than ORKOing, but she still can easily get super high avo with her spd and Dual Support. Lucina giving dex helps with staff use and with triggering World Tree, so the synergy is incredible. And if you really want to go all in on staff use you can leverage the added lck by inheriting Divine Pulse.
And FTR, that dex bit also applies to Chloé. Her insanely high dex on Griffin already makes her one of the best status staff users from the early game, and so Lucina just takes her even further.
Luna being a dex trigger would also benefit from Lucina, and Alcryst wants to be near teammates anyway so the synergy is there between his passive and Dual Support. Definitely not bottom tier.
Units who are naturally tanky are kind of in a position where Dual Support is a waste on them. So it's not exactly optimal on Alfred or Louis.
It's also interesting that a good amount of the units with dex trigger passives are on the tankier side, so again there's a bit of a clash.
Backup units also kinda waste Dual Strike, which is a triple whammy for the "tanky Backups with dex triggers" Diamant and Timerra.
There's way more to Lucina than Bonded Shield, and every player doesn't rely on Bonded Shield, so doing this video based solely on Bonded Shield is doing a disservice.
wait Divine Pulse works on staves?? TIL
Why freeze a boss you can warp to kill it, astra to pull it, or bonded to EP it for more damage/effect? Corrin can snap freeze for free for 3-4 turns and stall with fire forever.
Bonded shield is objectively one of the strongest, most game breaking mechanics in FE Engage. To pretend that Dual Strike and free dual assist or any other obscure things Lucina brings to the table matter even half as much as it, is doing people a disservice.
Bonded shield in of itself breaks the game and enables 2 units to hold an entire front and 1 round 5-15 enemies a turn with the right setup. In this video I am considering which units can achieve this result via supports with the best combat units in the game NOT my favorite units. I also factor in other things like what classes the bond targets will be on, when units can bond 100% or what classes they themselves will be on, and how that influences your team comp.
Alcryst using Lucina to boost his dex IS A MEME. 80% bonded is not as reliable as 90% from dragon or 100% from Qi/Same type Flyer/Cav. If you try to have Alcryst Covert bond a unit and have that unit tank 5-10 enemies, they WILL get hit and can easily die. Alcryst can already 1 round using Lyn or Eirika and running Lunar Brace or Speedtaker on brave bow, why would you waste an entire emblem ring just to increase luna trigger rate by a few %? This isn't even one of his best builds. Lucina is being wasted on him here.
At least with something like Lucina Hero, you get dual assist + for free on a brave unit, dual assist + is expensive and requires high bond level to get. This is also a sub-par build that doesn't compete with same type bonded which gets you a combat unit and 100% bonded shield on cavs/flyer squad, both of which have many unit types you can make entire offensive frontlines around.
The issue is this, the builds you mention can work, but they are like B/C tier builds vs literal game breaking builds and you want me to shift these builds up to game breaking status when they do not break the game and at best compliment some obscure aspect of a unit in some minor way therefore the build is good?
Lucina gives +5 DEX at Bond 19 as max dex increase, this is largely negligible in terms of gameplay.
Lyn gives DEX+4 and fixes speed
Eirika gives DEX+4 and fixes damage
Sigurd gives Dex +4 and gives you Canter/Momentum and extra move/more BLD and def.
All 3 of those emblems are better on combat dex based units as they give Dex + some other combat oriented benefit. Lucina is a support emblem so I am evaluating her as a support utility. You CAN run her on a unit to give DEX/SPD, but Lyn does this better, and if you are going to use her on a unit, it should be on a cav, flyer, or Qi Adept so you can greatly benefit your team and completely break the game.
As for dual support, I literally factor that in for who can AVO tank with who. I've done dual support teams and they are OK but they aren't as fast as bonded or warpskip teams who can just dive in better and don't care about positioning as much. AVO tanking also isn't exclusive to Lucina, some early game units can get AVO+20, run AVO engravings, and get midgame Lance Agility for +30 AVO on lances at all times, so this aspect of Lucina isn't even unique to her. AVO tanks can be created from different sources fairly easily. ALSO Any unit can unlock Dual Assist, so using Lucina the emblem ring for this passive is a massive pitfall when you are throwing out 100% bonded for a passive you can get at any time.
If some new information comes to light that proves how objectively strong some new way of using Lucina is, I will verify and test it myself or at least look at the logic/math behind it to see how it makes sense if it does.
@@Azun_Kurone Divine Pulse certainly works on staves. When you fight Hortensia at Destinea Cathedral, she'll try to attack a unit with a staff when they get into range, and it will trigger Divine Pulse to ensure that it hits.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming i guess if the meta involves not keeping your tanks alive without abusing Bonded Shield? RIP Louis.
Not relying on Bonded Shield lets players view the game through an entirely different lens, i suppose.
You say "it's a meme", but i say 100% Bonded is a crutch.
Also, since Hortensia isn't even a combat unit, she's definitely not using Lyn, Eirika, or Sigurd as well as she uses Lucina. And getting up to 10% more World Tree triggers by equipping Lucina and dex+5 is not negligible.
Enemy tomes can't threaten your army if they're silenced. Good way to, for instance, easily deal with Julius and Ishtar on Sigurd's paralogue. Or, perhaps, to facilitate keeping your physical tanks safe from the threat if necessary.
Also, since only units already in Backup classes can actually use Dual Assist when inherited, it's not going to be effective on "any unit" and is another reason to equip the ring on a non-Backup unit.
So the best EP thing in the game is now a crutch, AKA it is so good you think it is overpowered/gamebreaking. Hort on Lucina isn't bad because she is fast, is on a flyer, and can bond flyers.
Also I don't use it in my runs anymore so there's that :).
I don't recall telling people to run Lucina on a backup unit, yes you get redundant backup attacks when using it on a backup and therefore are missing out, I recommended to run it on Qi Adepts, Cavs, Flyers, all of which are non-backup units.
Cgloe is not s for once wow
My favorite thing to run with Lucina so far has been an avoid tank Wolf Knight Yunaka. Having 6 move +2 Range for Dual Assist + bonded shield your cavalry units was top tier for me during my maddening run. Not to mention, since she has a dagger her dual assist hits also poison which means you hit them harder on your next attack if needed.