The Tip No One Knows - Arrow Tuning Before Fletching
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- This is a tip from Levi Morgan that not many people know about. We are hoping this tip can help you become a better archer. It only takes a few extra minutes before fletching but can make a big difference.
Hey, my name is Cole. I met you last year at an ASA Pro-am and you signed my shooter jersey. Later last year I met you at an IHOP with my team before an ASA Pro-am. You called one of my teammates and left her a voice message which was really cool. You probably don’t remember me but i wants to say that you are really cool and you are my role model. Thanks for the tips👍
Hall of Famer Jim Brown showed me this and it made a world of difference in regards to forgiveness and consistency. Great tip Levi this is going to help a lot of archers !
Thanks Levi !!! You’ve always givin the best advice !!! Good luck on your upcoming season!!! May the Lord bless and keep y’all safe and successful!!!
That is one of the best pieces of technical info that i have heard out of all the tunning videos that i have watched.. Thank you..
It is always helpful when people shear pro tip.that is one tip most arery shops don't set up for you .most give arrows and send you on your way.i did know that tip but I am glad you shared it .God blass.kd
The direction of twisting the string and the direction of serving the string will determine the which direction would the arrow rotate
so why does he find some left and some right - with same bow and string?
Thanks for this brother, never even though of it till now.
Yes you are correct very few do we used to turn the nock where the line was on it for finger shooters great for you to bring it back to life thx kiddo
I know this tip but I learned it from you. LOL!!! In a different video you was talking about it so first thing I did was check my bow and sure enough I had my arrows fletched backwards.
Great tip, Lancaster Archery did a clip on this a while back and prior to that I had never heard of this technique.
GalinSwigart films I think this technique is more prevalent in the traditional archery community.
Chuck Adams taught me this year's ago ... called "nock tuning" and you are right... 99% of bowhunters do not know to do this... or how to find F.O.C. for broadhead tuning. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention!
Knock tuning is different then finding which way your arrows naturally spin off the string..
It is called "clocking."
Awesome tip.I never thought of this!!!♡♡♡
I used to do this till I figured out why the arrows fly the way they do if you have clock wise twisted strings it'll alwats throw the arrow left if you have counterclock wise twisted strings it'll throw it right I made a video of testing 33 of the new bows with there stock clockwise Strings against my two rx1s with rogue and ABB strings twisted counter clockwise all bows shot left besides my 2 that shoot right so I shot 25 different arrows and same results test it out Levi you'll see.
Anglers & Antlers tv thank god someone gets it.
I can't recall a string I've purchased that didn't have a right clockwise twist, so right helical would be the natural default for nearly eveyone?
Care to post a link to this video?
why do so many arrows come with a right offset if most strings come with a clockwise twist?
@@charlesschubarth4030 because the right helical for right handed /left helical for left handed rule is true for finger shooters, and there are much more RH shooters than LH
What’s the tape for on the arrow? Just to mimic the fletching weight?
I found by turning my knock I can find a spot on the arrow with no rotation, once I do that I'll put right helical in all my arrows and the results have been phenomenal
Once you tune your nocks do you glue them in place?
@@AmericanSavage1776 no I just wrap them according up knock position. I use lighted knocks so I have to change them periodically
Welcome to knock tuning. It's one step in the process of tuning your arrows to your bow instead of taking the bow out of tune to accept the arrow.
Right on with this one, it’s cheaper than buying two jigs haha
The secret I have been doing in my shop for some time...cats out of the bag now lol..best of luck
Beautiful tip my friend
Was just talking about this with my buddy last week.
we found the string twist dictates the bare shaft spin direction. ...more interesting a right twisted string makes a bare shaft turn left and visa-versa.
So if you don't want to unscrew your arrow tips with Left wing fletching, flip your bowstring and twist it the opposite direction.
Awesome, just went and checked my halon 32. It's launching left and I have a right helical Fletch on it. Time to start over and put left helical on it
I’m can’t believe he doesn’t have his own signature bow series
Thanks... I'm a beginner but want to set things up right and calibrate everything so it gives me consistent results to improve my practice.
By "Launches it left" do you mean in a direction to left of centre, or do you mean twisting CCW looking at the rear of the arrow? How to you know what the mark does? Film at high speed?
Great advice
Interesting tip, that's fiven me something to think about and play with Thanks🌻
Great video!
How do you keep the left helical from always slightly unscrewing field points in targets or broadheads in animals?
don't use them but just a thought...what about a drop of light threadlock?
@@Katzekaze I put a tiny bit of beeswax on mine, but even the ones that I haven't done it's a non issue. I've always been in the habit of checking points and haven't noticed any difference between left and right.
Hi I am new to the bow industry. I just bought me a diamond 320 and I am trying to get the most out of it. What does left or right Helical mean? I'm sorry for the stupid question but I am stupid when it comes to bows and am trying to learn as much as possible.
I Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
What was the purpose of the black tape on the arrow? To simulate weight of fletches?
Just look at your main string and see which way it’s twisted, left or right that’s your helical.
Excellent thanks!
? ?? Did You look into why the arrow barely/seriously rotated? Did you spin it around on the nock and check it from various nock positions? Did you spin it on a arrow straightener to see if the arrow is twisted/warped/crooked point/crooked insert. Did you check them all and fletch them the way you stated/accordingly and mix them in your Quiver? There is spin tension from the vanes on the arrow long before it leaves the string. I don't see it making any difference.
Lancaster archery supply covered this on a Bowhunt or Die episode
I shoot turbo nock 100% fix 9000 rpm rotation. Thanks for your videos
I I’ve actually been doing this for a while now and just now noticed that I forgot to do it on the arrows that I am currently using 🤦♂️
I think I read someone saying they did this deep in some forum once but that was it. I wonder how obvious the results are for him when he decided to do this or if it's more a peace of mind thing to do everything possible.
Randy Ullmer produced a piece on this very subject about two years ago.
This has everything with the way strings are twisted.
Lots of people know this, but what many don’t know is every arrow brand may be different. One arrow may go left and the next may go right. Paige has a good video on this. She shoots 2 arrows from the same bow, one goes left and the next goes right. I’m wondering if you should do this with every arrow and have mixed right and left fletches per dozen shafts!
Wrong it all has to do with your bowstrings I’m which way the arrow comes out. You can literally have custom set to shoot the arrow right which many do. But nearly 99 percent of bows shot left out the box
How would you do this for fixed broadheads? If you glue in the insert before knowing which way it naturally spins you won’t be able to line up the blades with the vanes.
Wow! That's cool.
Ha ha! Levi I have seen this done on another YT channel. Yoing man that runs the Inside Out Precision channel has a video of this. Not sure if his or yours was first?
This process is about arrow clocking not quite knock tuning. Paige Pearce did a pretty in-depth video about this where she showed that it doesn't really matter if you Fletch a left or right helical that it makes no difference because the same bow can throw an arrow two different directions
th-cam.com/video/ebSxqxBq1w8/w-d-xo.html
So, each individual arrow? Or groups of the same arrow model can be assumed to spin alike?
Probably individual as you do not know if the arrows you got are from the same batch and/or if the production is equal the same batch or the making process of the material the shafts are cut from (say the machine make a 3 meter long shaft and cut it to selling length).
Not got to do with kind of arrow its the bow
Discovered the arrow flying funky why doing a slo-mo video, saw the arrow stall and starting to spin the other direction. Talked with a number of archery so called pros, everyone said I was wrong. I refused to listen to them, there is no way there isn't an effect on an arrows flight path if it stalls mid air.
Which arrows are best for hunting bare shaft or fletched arrows?
How far from the target you shoot and how you know if it turn left or right
It's called clocking the arrow.
So do you tune your arrows after you have tuned and sighted in your bow? I know when you paper tune your bow you should use the arrows that your gonna be shooting but if you just bought a brand new bow and are getting brand new arrows as well then you won’t be able to tune your bow until you have tuned your arrows so you can then use your tuned arrows to tune your bow? Hopefully that makes sense and somebody can clarify that for me.
Do you do that for each arrow and fletch them accordingly.
The string determines natrual rotation. If one arrow spins left they all will
Why wouldn't you turn your arrow and get them all the same before fletching? (some call this clocking or nock tuning) What about finding the spine first?
Levi: great video, as usual. Quick question...I did this test and found that my arrow rotates to the right a bit, why does it rotate at all? It's a bare shaft with a field point being fired into the target at less than 10 feet. The only dependent variable here is the string, but how does it affect the rotation of the arrow?
I believe it is mostly down to the twist direction in the string if the twist runs up or down. It goes right or left.
@@Sephiroth1538 yeah you’re right. I watched Levi talk about it in a different video that’s what he said.
Hey Levi, i got 1 question. How much, in centimeters, must i set the tiller on my Hoyt XT 2000 ? And yes, it's a older bow, i know. But notice that i only shooting indoor at 18 and 25 meters.
My arrows are Easton Triumph 9.3 carbon for 25 meters, and Easton aluminium 2315 for 18 meters. My drawweight is appox. 28 inch. And the plastic vanes are Bohning 2".
The bow was set on 52 #, but i had a accident and my wrist was broken in 2 parts. Now i start shooting again after 6 months, but i have to decrease him to 34 #.
I see that he never answered.
I been doing that for about 2 yrs already
What about broadheads and field points constantly unscrewing? .... most bows shoot arrow spin to the left.
Not really an issue, I shoot left and don't have to tighten points any more often than when I used to shoot right.
So do people who do this shoot both left and right helical out of the same setup and have the arrows hitting the same left and right?
Traditional archers tune all their arrows with this method...paper tune bare shaft and trim an 1/8" at a time until they're punching bullet holes. Were you by any Chance In NY at a Lowes recently? If not....daaaamn you have a doppleganger up here.
Thanks for the comment! Sorry wasn't around that area.
Levi has a twin here in Spfd. Dress him up in Mathew's gear and stand him next to Levi and your jaw will drop.
When can we expect the new sure loc I wanna buy one so bad after seeing it on your istagram lol
Will each arrow natural rotate differently out of a pack of 12? Or will they for the most part rotate the same bc of the bow itself?
Rotation is based on the twist in the string and direction of the serving.
So does that mean if it turns left you want to fletch it on the left side of the line you created?
DanMaJayYer no, you want to fletch it so the arrow rotates in the direction it would have even without the fletching.
Kfir Behar I know the line is a point of reference for center but so if the arrow flies left, which side of that line do you want to fletch your arrow? I apologize, kind of new to archery
DanMaJayYer the line doesn’t represent anything but center it’s only a mark for him to see which way the arrow is naturally clocking off the string so if it is left then fletch your arrows with a left helical if your arrow clocks right then right helical
Was that electrical tape on the shaft? Is that what you use as a wrap and glue your vanes to?
Bowhunter 24/7 it’s to simulate the weight of the fletches.
funny how, I mean funny like a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how?
Primal outdoor I know man. I was just goofing around. I know you know your stuff. I know you from AT.
Rear weight in the arrow changes the dynamic spine. So when you bareshaft tune, wrap the back with the right amount of tape so your bareshaft weights the same as your fletched arrows and also flexes the same in flight.
mcjaypee that actually makes a lot of sense I will do this with the tape
how about the natural weak side of a arrow ... shooting so it naturally bends away from the raiser
Chris a compound bow will make the arrow bend more vertical than horizontal.
Interesting. Noticed u shoot without the grips on your bows. I thought i was the only one that does that on a mathews. Lol
Thanks for the video
I still dont understand. If I fletch my arrow for compound bow (straight fletches), how do I know what to do?
Thank you so much
Still not sure how a person sees which way an arrow launches out of an arrow ?
Please explain ???
I meant a bow.... sorry
@@jerryweatherman7468 you mark your arrow with a marker at the top of the arrow. Shoot it at very close range. Like 1-2 yards. Then walk up and see where the line is on the arrow. Itll usually be somewhere between 45-90 degrees from the top. If it's to the left than you need left helical. Right then youd need right
How can you tell which way it’s spinning?
You look at where the mark on the shaft rotated to. If it goes to 10 o'clock it's going left , if it's pointing to 2 o'clock it's going right.
This won't change anything downrange enough to bother doing this. And I'll save you the time, 95+% of the time it will clock counterclockwise because of string construction
I've been doing this for 10 years, ever since I built my own arrow spine tester.
what grip are you user
So I'm not crazy like inside out Precision made me out to be
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Levi , what do you mean by " launching
left"?
No hate but Pete wells did it lol
Yep. I've seen this done years ago and I've been shooting for over 40 years.
This is absurd.
First, let's take into account the target that it is going into. Are you telling me that the friction that causes the arrow to violently stop couldn't make an arrow rotate slightly? And I hope you have impeccable form because the slightest torque at launch might do the same thing.
Second, let's consider that an arrow "might" have a natural spin direction. The amount of force (whatever it may be causing it) "naturally" turning that arrow compared to the amount of force placed on it by the helical fletching is VERY different. Probably like the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing it. The fletching will override that faint little bit of rotation IMMEDIATELY.
th-cam.com/video/ZJoTXRQNDPA/w-d-xo.html Change your playback settings to as slow as it will go and watch this video at 55 seconds. Knuckle ball my butt. That arrow is turning within inches of leaving that string. Those fletching are already applying pressure to that arrow BEFORE it leaves the string. Do you honestly think the small amount of torque produced from the string (or whatever) is going to override the torque that will ultimately make that arrow spin almost 15 times in 20 yards?
It's called over thinking. I used to have this same affliction. Now instead of splitting hairs, I just go shoot my bow.
Watch your video again. Cool video but yet another “my product is the best” video. Notice him bragging about how the vane is still spinning while exiting the gel. He failed to notice the rotation switched to counter clockwise so no, it did not continue rotating through the gel. SMH
Tried to wipe the smudge on his arm off my screen for 45 seconds.
It all depends on the direction of your string twist
This is definitely good info until you change your string/cables and they are twisted the opposite way of the last set. At that point you have to re-fletch all your arrows.