Was having some inconsistencies in my arrow flight. Watched this video 3 times last night. Tried some of your pointers tonight. Shot the best 50-60 yard groups I’ve shot in a long time.
Been archery hunting since 2014ish and dont torque the bow too terribly really, can get a good paper tear when everything is in spec…but just from this video when you explained to hold your hand out and relax it…i think sometimes i do tend to shoot with unnecessary added heel pressure to the grip/riser so even for experienced archers this can deff be a good refresher and explained very well🫡
What a great video, I like the way you explain the subject matter. As someone new to the sport you make the technical easy to understand. Your personality comes through and adds a nice touch.
Its been great to watch you grow as a Chanel i can not belive you are not in the hundred thousands subs your a amazing teacher especially on screen i have shot and tune bows since my first compound at 13 im 44 keep up the great work
I've never suffered from target panic or derailed a string but am always interested in learning and improving which is why I always return to your channel (and subscribed a long time ago). You do a superb job communicating your knowledge. I got my first Mathews in 2000 (a Q2) so I can relate to your comments about that wood grip. I had no complaints at the time and shot that thing very well but thanks to you I'm going to grip my current bow (a V3X) a bit differently. I have a feeling I will find some improvement. As so many others have already commented, excellent video. Thank you.
Where the heck was this video TWO YEARS AGO?!? I just spent two years after buying a new 2022 vtm finding out my front hand open vs closed problem. It was a nightmare!! Almost sold everything and started over but figured it out about 3 weeks ago. Going from a 2008 75% let off bow to 85% 2022 bow is night and day. Broadheads hitting with field points and dead center out to 40. FINALLY!!
Excellent and thorough explanation of the process and the importance of the grip on the bow 🏹. I will have to pay more attention to all the components of my process because once I get past 20 yards I am not consistent on target 🎯
Hey Brother. This was a great video. Thank you for being so thorough. Up until a couple years ago, I was a peeker. And I had all four of my fingers on the front of my bow for the longest time. I now make sure that I lightly curl my last 2 fingers back to the side of the riser. That forces my hand to be close to the optimal grip.
Awesome video thanks for the knowledge I’ve been trying to figure out torque issues and you shed light on things I hadn’t yet taken into account. Thanks
Psoriasis - Hi bud, I have skin issues as well.. Mine is clearing up, as I have found, most skin issues is due to a gut issue. I found out I had parasites.. I took a GI-Map... Now my supposedly, incurable issue is going away without constant need of steroidal meds etc. Fixing your gut to heal your body, is equivalent to fixing your grip to fix arrow flight.. Cheers my friend, and thanks for the vid.. Im working on my grip extensively this year before I even try to tune my new SS34.. lol.
I just started working on my bow myself along with tuning it. Your videos are the most helpful I have found. thank you! I'm from Wisconsin but hopefully someday I can make it down to your shop in PA!
@@Fryinbrian747 I learned a TON from his videos! You can watch other videos too but @averagejackarchery cuts all the fluff out and gives us the most important stuff without complicating it. I do like watching the more in depth stuff from people like Levi Morgan but if you don’t have the basics down it’ll just be a nightmare….. I heard from a friend. lol
I’ve been shooting a bow for 50 years , on all my bows back in the day I used to remove the grip and shoot off the bare riser Same concept as the new bows use nowadays
You can also do that by relaxing the hand so say you put your three fingers on your thumb button you come to full draw you good at good rap on it if you just relax your fingers a little bit as you're pulling it will allow the release to move forward into your thumb I like that shot too
you nailed it with high wrist coming from old mathews (mq1 for me). i have trouble with my bow grip and now i know why. gonna try to use more of a low grip with my vxr. but nate, you dont really give a high five with your hand at a 45 do you? lol
Off topic but a topic I've never seen this covered: I build my arrows from bare shafts. This includes, obviously, fletching them. How do i know what length vane, or what offset degree vanes should be? Is there at least a general rule of thumb to go by? I have recently run into issues with getting broadheads to fly consistently out of my hunting bow and what i have found was i needed to switch from 2.25" 4 fletch vanes to 3" 4 fletch to fix the arrow flight consistency. I have always run 2 degree offset on my target set ups and that followed into my hunting set up. Maybe i would have been better off with more off set versus longer vanes? I do have a 32" draw length, and because of this i get some pretty healthy speeds. I believe this is adding to my frustration of arrow consistency as well requiring more vane surface area or maybe off set more would be a better fix. Anyway, just a topic i have not come across being covered.
Fantastic video.. one problem I am facing is nock high due to grip. On my Bowtech BTX31 I find that slight pressure on heel of palm gives slight nock high.. I have no issues with side torque.. but am trying to decide if I should keep pressure on heel and tune nock high out (bow is currently hitting cable stops in synch) or adjust pressure on heel..
Excellent info. Sometimes if I am at full draw for a long time, my palm slides from the bottom mid part of the grip to near the top of the grip. Would that make a difference so long as I am not torquing the grip? Also grip is just one part of archery form. You would do a very good job with explaining other aspects of archery form in future videos if you have not already done so.
I have some gold tip warriors that are 600 spine at 28 inches and weigh in at 296 grain, I shoot them when I have my bow turned down to 40# for small game and birds, they come out like lazers lol every chart I've looked at says it shouldn't work but I've split my knocks at 20 punching too tight of groups with them 😅
Also though a lot of those professional archers will tune a rip in to the paper just so every shot is the same exact thing they don't want to Bullet Hole you know they shoot completely different than us so yeah they can do
I've spent hours tinkering with form and grip shooting bareshaft through paper and the only way I get a bullet hole is by applying light to moderate pressure to my thumb, like it's squeezing the grip. If I don't I get a knock right tear. Right handed shooting an old hoyt razortec xt2000
@@carlwydrzynski3578 I use the grip Nate shows but with my thumb pointed mostly straight forward I apply pressure with my thumb to right side of grip. Seems like I am slightly torqueing bow, pointing the stabilizer left. It is very repeatable but i don't think this is recommended and was hoping someone would correct me . I tried all combinations of a rows,weights,spines, yoke adjustments, timing adjustments, rest adjustments, and adjusting my grip is how I corrected endless nock right tear
I like the big muscle thoughts thats cool. My question is if the nice chunky grips helped, why did we get rid of them? I still shoot one of the older bows and have never liked the narrow grip feel.
Great question! The biggest answer is hand size. If you're too small, or too big in the hand for the grip, it can cause inconsistencies in the shooting experience that the manufacturer wouldn't want. Also, they were built off of those shooting recurves and traditional bows, making shooting a compound originally much more appealing as people switched from trad to compound. That's not as necessary anymore with.
Ok thank you very much I have the omnia and the new elite quiver I’ll try it there for more clearance. Have you had any issues with it ties there I am using hamskea epsilon
Grip AND people punching those wrist band trigger releases are the two WORST things you can do. Why people buy those barrel or tube type releases that will not in nearly every case shorten enough to properly set themselves up to be a better archer. IMO, any bow shop that will sell and improperly set up a customer to have to use their fingertip to slap or punch a trigger needs to close up.
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You just gave me a breakthrough with that "squeeze the lemon" thing on the thumb button release
Or squeeze that whatever, lol.
When you said sitting on the toilet watching,I was thinking…. How did you know 😂
That's what I'm sayin' 🤣
Me too😂
Was having some inconsistencies in my arrow flight. Watched this video 3 times last night. Tried some of your pointers tonight. Shot the best 50-60 yard groups I’ve shot in a long time.
That's great to hear!!!
I love you simplified you make it. Lots of videos make it so complicated especially when just getting into the sport. Thank you!
Been archery hunting since 2014ish and dont torque the bow too terribly really, can get a good paper tear when everything is in spec…but just from this video when you explained to hold your hand out and relax it…i think sometimes i do tend to shoot with unnecessary added heel pressure to the grip/riser so even for experienced archers this can deff be a good refresher and explained very well🫡
What a great video, I like the way you explain the subject matter. As someone new to the sport you make the technical easy to understand. Your personality comes through and adds a nice touch.
Its been great to watch you grow as a Chanel i can not belive you are not in the hundred thousands subs your a amazing teacher especially on screen i have shot and tune bows since my first compound at 13 im 44 keep up the great work
I've never suffered from target panic or derailed a string but am always interested in learning and improving which is why I always return to your channel (and subscribed a long time ago). You do a superb job communicating your knowledge. I got my first Mathews in 2000 (a Q2) so I can relate to your comments about that wood grip. I had no complaints at the time and shot that thing very well but thanks to you I'm going to grip my current bow (a V3X) a bit differently. I have a feeling I will find some improvement. As so many others have already commented, excellent video. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Where the heck was this video TWO YEARS AGO?!? I just spent two years after buying a new 2022 vtm finding out my front hand open vs closed problem. It was a nightmare!! Almost sold everything and started over but figured it out about 3 weeks ago. Going from a 2008 75% let off bow to 85% 2022 bow is night and day.
Broadheads hitting with field points and dead center out to 40. FINALLY!!
Good stuff Nate! I hope lots of people see this.
I hope so too!
I am really appreciative of this content the whole tension gross vs fine was beautiful
Excellent and thorough explanation of the process and the importance of the grip on the bow 🏹. I will have to pay more attention to all the components of my process because once I get past 20 yards I am not consistent on target 🎯
Love this video, Nate!! This is exactly how I teach new archers to properly grip, and push into their bows.
What a great video, I like the way you explain the subject matter. You get an A+ from me!
Hey Brother. This was a great video. Thank you for being so thorough. Up until a couple years ago, I was a peeker. And I had all four of my fingers on the front of my bow for the longest time. I now make sure that I lightly curl my last 2 fingers back to the side of the riser. That forces my hand to be close to the optimal grip.
Awesome video thanks for the knowledge I’ve been trying to figure out torque issues and you shed light on things I hadn’t yet taken into account. Thanks
Psoriasis - Hi bud, I have skin issues as well.. Mine is clearing up, as I have found, most skin issues is due to a gut issue. I found out I had parasites.. I took a GI-Map... Now my supposedly, incurable issue is going away without constant need of steroidal meds etc. Fixing your gut to heal your body, is equivalent to fixing your grip to fix arrow flight.. Cheers my friend, and thanks for the vid.. Im working on my grip extensively this year before I even try to tune my new SS34.. lol.
I just started working on my bow myself along with tuning it. Your videos are the most helpful I have found. thank you! I'm from Wisconsin but hopefully someday I can make it down to your shop in PA!
@@Fryinbrian747 I learned a TON from his videos! You can watch other videos too but @averagejackarchery cuts all the fluff out and gives us the most important stuff without complicating it. I do like watching the more in depth stuff from people like Levi Morgan but if you don’t have the basics down it’ll just be a nightmare….. I heard from a friend. lol
Excellent work, great video. I wish I could have seen this explanation years ago.
Enjoy your videos. Newly subscriber to your channel. I've watched 4 of your videos and have improved groupings.
I’ve been shooting a bow for 50 years , on all my bows back in the day I used to remove the grip and shoot off the bare riser Same concept as the new bows use nowadays
You can also do that by relaxing the hand so say you put your three fingers on your thumb button you come to full draw you good at good rap on it if you just relax your fingers a little bit as you're pulling it will allow the release to move forward into your thumb I like that shot too
Love my old Matthews Drenalin grip
Also Tony Tazza runs my local shop. Him and John are great guys... Really cool seeing the call-out on here
Great video, thank you!
you nailed it with high wrist coming from old mathews (mq1 for me). i have trouble with my bow grip and now i know why. gonna try to use more of a low grip with my vxr. but nate, you dont really give a high five with your hand at a 45 do you? lol
Off topic but a topic I've never seen this covered: I build my arrows from bare shafts. This includes, obviously, fletching them. How do i know what length vane, or what offset degree vanes should be? Is there at least a general rule of thumb to go by? I have recently run into issues with getting broadheads to fly consistently out of my hunting bow and what i have found was i needed to switch from 2.25" 4 fletch vanes to 3" 4 fletch to fix the arrow flight consistency. I have always run 2 degree offset on my target set ups and that followed into my hunting set up. Maybe i would have been better off with more off set versus longer vanes? I do have a 32" draw length, and because of this i get some pretty healthy speeds. I believe this is adding to my frustration of arrow consistency as well requiring more vane surface area or maybe off set more would be a better fix. Anyway, just a topic i have not come across being covered.
Fantastic video.. one problem I am facing is nock high due to grip. On my Bowtech BTX31 I find that slight pressure on heel of palm gives slight nock high.. I have no issues with side torque.. but am trying to decide if I should keep pressure on heel and tune nock high out (bow is currently hitting cable stops in synch) or adjust pressure on heel..
Perfect video. Thank you
Great video buddy
Great video, would love to see one on releases too.
I have several videos on release form. Both handheld and wrist strap. Check them out!
Very Informative
Have you ever watch F. Peterson( 2 or 3 time champion archer) on bow grip its usually but it worked really good for me
Excellent info. Sometimes if I am at full draw for a long time, my palm slides from the bottom mid part of the grip to near the top of the grip. Would that make a difference so long as I am not torquing the grip? Also grip is just one part of archery form. You would do a very good job with explaining other aspects of archery form in future videos if you have not already done so.
I put a strip of no slip (like you would put on a step) on the grip, where you put your hand it stays.
I have some gold tip warriors that are 600 spine at 28 inches and weigh in at 296 grain, I shoot them when I have my bow turned down to 40# for small game and birds, they come out like lazers lol every chart I've looked at says it shouldn't work but I've split my knocks at 20 punching too tight of groups with them 😅
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
Also though a lot of those professional archers will tune a rip in to the paper just so every shot is the same exact thing they don't want to Bullet Hole you know they shoot completely different than us so yeah they can do
Quite helpful 👍🎯❤️🇺🇸
Yea me too thought I was on live stream with my camera on.
I liked the video all I will say is ask Chris Bee how that bell curve arrow works on Water buffalo hahaha. I apologize I had to.
I've spent hours tinkering with form and grip shooting bareshaft through paper and the only way I get a bullet hole is by applying light to moderate pressure to my thumb, like it's squeezing the grip. If I don't I get a knock right tear. Right handed shooting an old hoyt razortec xt2000
What do you mean thumb pressure? Is it thumb up or straight out? Every arrow I shoot is nock right. So I'm very curious what worked for you.
@@carlwydrzynski3578 I use the grip Nate shows but with my thumb pointed mostly straight forward I apply pressure with my thumb to right side of grip. Seems like I am slightly torqueing bow, pointing the stabilizer left. It is very repeatable but i don't think this is recommended and was hoping someone would correct me . I tried all combinations of a rows,weights,spines, yoke adjustments, timing adjustments, rest adjustments, and adjusting my grip is how I corrected endless nock right tear
Do you have the offset bar because that bow is tuned for having a quiver on it, or did you set it up with the offset bar without an attachable quiver?
I have the offset bar for the heavier sight and rest that I use. I shoot quiver off.
I like the big muscle thoughts thats cool. My question is if the nice chunky grips helped, why did we get rid of them? I still shoot one of the older bows and have never liked the narrow grip feel.
Great question! The biggest answer is hand size. If you're too small, or too big in the hand for the grip, it can cause inconsistencies in the shooting experience that the manufacturer wouldn't want. Also, they were built off of those shooting recurves and traditional bows, making shooting a compound originally much more appealing as people switched from trad to compound. That's not as necessary anymore with.
@averagejackarchery checks out. And I bet you can still get a grip add on if you wanted to. Thanks
What vanes do you recommend for four fletch for fixed blade broadheads? I got AAE max 2.0 and they seem super small.
I shoot an older Mathews Z7 bow. With the older style larger grip, what do you recommend my hand placement should be?
Follow the contour of the grip. Still avoid the negatives I've described here such as pad peeking and others. Mid wrist will be your friend.
Boa Noite arcos elite a medida da ata é a mesma dos dois lados ou tem uma pequena diferença???
Remember ya gotta give some hip before you wack the button to get back up in the middle 😂
Psoriasis suck man i just started getting it on my elbows.
But but but I like punching the release.
One time you shoot with an open hand and you shoot the boat correctly what's going to happen is it's going to fly out of your hand
Excellent video, very helpful. Thank you for sharing. Just started following you on Insta also 👍
Great…. Another thing to work on a week and a half before season… lol
Damn I thought you had to put 4000 grains up there
Where did you tie the cord on limb for the rest?
On my Ethos I have it tied off the axle.
Ok thank you very much I have the omnia and the new elite quiver I’ll try it there for more clearance. Have you had any issues with it ties there I am using hamskea epsilon
@@lrkmf8481 Not one. Podium finishes in tournaments and several dead deer!
What’s that stabiliser set up? Cheers
BeeStinger dovetail counterslide. Great setup!
@@averagejackarchery have you reviewed these? I would love to learn more
Grip AND people punching those wrist band trigger releases are the two WORST things you can do. Why people buy those barrel or tube type releases that will not in nearly every case shorten enough to properly set themselves up to be a better archer. IMO, any bow shop that will sell and improperly set up a customer to have to use their fingertip to slap or punch a trigger needs to close up.
Excellent video, wrist sling has helped my bow grip tremendously, allows me to not think about grabbing my bow as I release
Go cowboy and run without it. See what happens when your brain is forced to execute correctly!
👍🏹🇺🇸
You repeat what you practice
Grip it and rip it baby lol.
Psoriasis brothers unite✊️
Your psoriasis will improve significantly if you switch to a totally plant-based diet. Try it for a couple months and you will see a difference.
Where do you get protein?
Also then he’d have no reason to hunt
Stop eating gluten (tray carnivore)
Excellent video. Thank you