SLOW MOTION ARROW TUNING!!! - (Choosing Hunting Arrows)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Warb, Curl, and Benjamin give us some tips for choosing arrows to hunt with out of your dozen.
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I would like to see yall repeat this but test some custom ordered arrows built the same way but have the shop spine index them and then shoot them against your knocked tuned arrow and see how they compare.
This video is Money! I've benn nock tuning for a few years and your breakdown was simple and easy to follow!
More bow tuning and in depth equipment videos this off season would be extremely valued!
Probably be the last video I get to watch for a while we have a hurricane coming in the morning and I'm in south east Louisiana so I figured that I'll watch the Hunting public to ease the stress
Warb, I noticed on release and before the arrow leaves the rest, your grip changes slightly. Right at release your 2 fingers clench by instinct so you won't drop the bow. A wrist sling can prevent this by giving your mind comfort in knowing the bow won't fall if held loosely. Slings let you follow through with the shot and the bow will naturally tilt forward after release. It is a minor adjustment, but every little thing helps. You obviously shoot great already and this is just a suggestion to tweak it a tad further in the off season.
Good eyes 👀
I believe hes gripping it as the arrow leaves restZ
Moving your hand or fingers in any way can/ WILL create accuracy issues. If your form and technique isn’t really good how are you going to get reliable test results?
Easier to put in the hard work & get used to not gripping the bow with that strap loose around the wrist. I really like it Warb that u show stuff like this. So sick of watching hunt vids where the shots aren't even anything but a wing it & a prayer.
Better to make that loop large enough to put over a glove cuz u don't ever want it tight. Firenock makes matching weights that aren't batteries. So u can have your best 6 arrows with batteries & the other 6 with the matched grained weights. No more batteries getting drained on practice arrows. It's totally do-able to have a dozen arrows that r all within 1 grain or less of each other. Builds confidence between u & your equipment which helps u throughout the long season ahead.
About 45 years ago, The guy at the Archery Shop was selling wrist slings, boasting it improves accuracy, which it does, in a controlled situation, like Practicing Shooting Targets, but in a real world, high pressure, Hunting situation, like when your day dreaming , around 11:00 in the morning, and your brought back to earth, by the sound of hoofs , crashing thru the woods, as the Biggest Buck of your life, Comes by chasing a Doe,
at 100 m.p.h... believe me, your not gonna be able to think about trying to get your hand thru that stupid wrist sling in time, for anything. Just train yourself to shoot good, without it. One less thing to worry about. Better off using the K.I.S.S system , when pursuing Big Bucks under Murphy's Law.
I mark my arrows to....a slash with a sharpie for each buck I kill with that arrow. I've got an easton axis 400 with 6 marks on it and going strong.
I do threw same thing by numbering my arrows and writing it on the odd fletching. Pro tips by Aaron!
Seems like overkill to some I'm sure , but then again , any tuning all kinds of shooting and Always using the Same weight , nocks , broadheads and arrows ! Great advice and cool support having a guy film and watch in slow motion ! 👍
watching thp always gets me excited for archery season
Right
Thanks for the tips
You're not paranoid. You're detail oriented. Nothing wrong with that at all!!
I've never been this early before... think imma cry 😢😭😭
When marking arrows I like to write them down in a notebook and keep notes but one thing I've learned when shooting them is that I like to put numbers on the side of flecthing I cant see that way it doesnt get in my head if I know I have a wonky arrow to try and compensate for it
Great info...been doing that for yrs...it was point on....keep up the great work..
I start that process during build. The straightest and most consistent in weight will get marked for later quiver testing. Also for off season, you can make practice nocks with a normal nock and some grub screws or brass all threads screwed in to weight match your lighted nocks. Handy trick when you run out of dead cells. Just take a scale and nock to the hardware store to find the right pitch and length for the extra weight needed.
I got my five hunters marked up and quivered a couple weeks ago. I might check them out slo-mo style, but all indications are that they are flying like darts. Three out of my dozen of Gold Tip Kinetic Kaos were the only wonky ones, but they were super consistent wonky....low and right - I was slinging some Kentucky windage shots with them the other day and stacking them at 38yds. Dudes...i am super pumped for my first bow season! Oldschool public duck chaser going after mature bucks with a bow for the first time. Just pulled a trail cam on some public this morning....and one shot - one pic amid all the false trips, doe, coyotes and hogs - was a really nice tall, heavy eight point. Am ready to have a little sharpening session following y'all's and Ranch Fairy instructions. Did I mention I was pumped? I'm pumped.
Great demonstration, thanks for the time and effort...But...please educate yourself & others about what 'Archer's Paradox' really is.....
The archer's paradox is the phenomenon of an arrow traveling in the direction it is pointed at full draw, when it seems that the arrow would have to pass through the starting position it was in before being drawn, where it was pointed to the side of the target.
The bending of the arrow when released is the explanation for why the paradox occurs and should not be confused with the paradox itself.
Congrats on your elk...great vid. 👍👍
Little over 2 weeks to go here in Missouri. Stoked!
I'm jealous , I've been seeing a decent buck nearby and nope ! A feller lives in Illinois , no fuzzy antlers for this guy !🙁
@@mikesr3407 I've only ever seen 2 bucks in velvet for the opener in my 28 years hunting here in Missouri. It can happen but by September 15th most have already shed velvet
@@tuttle3631 sorry , I must be thinking of Tennessee or Kentucky also I think , start real early ! Someday I would like to try and get after one down there but for now I will stick with cold days in October and November a few all day sits dark to dark in my millennium Monster👍
@@tuttle3631 Same. I hunt primarily in Missouri. Pulled a card yesterday and have great video of a nice one rubbing off his velvet. Date stamp was 8/26. Even with a 9/15 opener I can’t recall ever seeing a large, much less mature, buck in velvet.
@@mikesr3407 I would love a velvet buck myself. Good luck to you sir.
thanks for the great technique of using slow motion video to analyze how your individual arrow - broadhead - nock combinations are performing. Good luck this fall
Just got done scouting here in PA. found a good buck in his bed. Can't wait for October to come!
Where you at in PA?
He won't be there come October
Indiana
@@amjorgy1 he might be 🤣
As one of the best would say, Let's go kill that buck.
Take a look at 7.56 min mark. The Arrow is flexing/vibrating in the Bow Prior to Release. Obviously effecting flight as well.
Great video boys , I shoot all my hunting arrows with my hunting broadheads on and just sharpen them to hunt, I never swap the broadhead from arrow to arrow as this makes a big difference with a 2 blade head , as the broadhead catches the air leaving the bow in a different way , try it , get a arrow shoots say nock high and look at your head orientation if it's horizontal or something similar then screw a head on that sits vertical will normally shoot perfect , that's why I shoot a 3blade head now , got equal plaining sides .🧙♂️
Awesome tips like this video good work guys
Were you bare shaft tuning or were you Bear shaft tuning?
🥁 🥁💥 Thank you, thank you very much
Yall need to come to Alabama and hunt bankhead!
Never knew you can tune off the knock I always thought it was my bow. Good to know
Nice quick get ready for season shooting tips video. Now that I recently bought a new bow I have to do that for two bows now, albeit with the same arrows. 🏹🦌
Change your nock out before completely eliminating it. I've seen nocks cause inaccurate arrow flight
Oh ya they do
I do the same but I just look at impact at 30 yards. Generally this weeds out the bad ones.
Great tips as always! Hyped for this season! 🦌
Wow great advice and always with good content ...thanks
Good stuff guys! I'm pumped for this season! Goodluck to Yall, can't wait to see some videos!
It looked like the arrows were 4 flectched and you were making 1/4 turns why didn't you make another turn on the 3rd arrow?
Opening day elk Sept. 2, unfortunately I only really can hunt the 4th. Work kind of messing with me. But I got some days off and will be hunting hard from the 19th to 25th
Making the switch to mechanical this year. Picked up some Magnus Stingers and took off the Rage's yesterday
You will be way happier
Heck yeah guy's it's go time, insert tuned my broadheads to my bolts & got them epoxyed in yesterday. Nock tuning after this rain moves out in a couple days.
This year I'll be shooting a 2016 TenPoint wicked ridge, with some 20 inch Sirius Phoenix bolts 300 spine, 110 gn inserts & 150 gn cutthroat single bevel. Should be a lethal combo, let's get after em fella's. Going to be an amazing & Blessed season, God Bless y'all & take care!
Better to tune and nock tune though paper than watching a video playback. Tells a better story.
Nice quiet setup I like it I have been on board with heavier arrows just like em better I have 410 grain arrow that fly great just don't like em prefer heavier 150 grain vpa broadheads
I think you should take a snap pic of every arrow coming off rest (like 6 arrows) and put them together to show the difference
Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately all of us don't have someone who can or will film us while shooting our bow.
Another option is to set up a paper tuner. shoot through paper at different ranges and it will show what direction your arrow is moving.
Another option is to stand facing away from a tree and mount your phone so it’s peering over your shoulder. I use a cheap “bendy leg” phone tripod mount and attach it to a low hanging branch. Sure it’s not as convenient as having someone else there, but it will give very stable footage if it’s not too windy. This can also be used to check your anchor point positioning 👍
You dont have any friends?
If you build your own arrows you can always float your bare shafts in the bathtub to find the spine of the arrow that way you dont need to nock tune it later.
Ranch fairy was here
I know just by saying im hunting with a crossbow in Michigan im gonna get a few cringes and possible negative remarks... so lets get that out of the way now.
Last year I used the Bolts given to me with the Crossbow (as a gift).
The broadheads were 100 grain and a standard point with 3 fixed blades. The bolt or arrow was only 100 grains as well.
After watching a few videos on arrow tuning and whatnot I decided that because my crossbow is a Recurve style, (not an inverted or compound style)
that is shoots slower than newer faster bows on the market today.
The standard factory specs stated it was 280 fps and 165lb draw.
This year I am shooting carbon express 125 grain bolts paired with an Allen chisel point broadhead, also 125 grains(still 3 fixed blades). The new broadheads and using also have an increased cutting diameter of 1/8 of an inch.
I have noticed that when it hits the bag it sounds much stronger and really "smacks" hard at 30 yards. Im also noticing I didnt loose much at all if any loss of speed leaving the Crossbow.
Any further advice would be greatly appreciated as I am still a new hunter and face the challenges of public land with no private land to hunt.
Thank you to any and all that respond I truely appreciate it!
Come on to Ky guys. Bow season opens next Saturday. Great opportunity for a velvet buck. Good luck
You can get weighted nocks that
are damn near the same weight as lighted nocks.
I choose my hunting arrows by how good the fletching looks lol
What kind of target do your shoot your broadheads in?
Match grade FMJ are pretty good bro
No problems with aluminum!
There are a shitload of problems with aluminum, like bending during practice and turning into an accordion or blunderbus from a hard impact while hunting.
The slight benefit that comes with the lack of spine that comes from extrusion manufacturing, is far outweighed by their fragility in the field.
They are the reason for a lot of passthrough shots due to the unique way the material handles columnar loading and transfering the load in line with the shaft, but renders them useless after the shot.
When you look at old hunting videos where they take a shot at close range, the arrow impacts going fast'AF and practically falls out the other side, that shaft will have a couple of spots along the shaft where it compressed and deformed as the energy waves moved foward alond the shaft (making it look like an accordian when you run a straigtness gauge across the shaft). This increases the moment of inertia and allows the shaft to keep moving at the cost of deforming the projectile.
This is also why rhinehart targets used to recommend againt shooting their targets with aluminum because of the frequency of ruined arrows.
I wouldn't have even marked the third arrow. Put it aside and keep going. Making 1-5 the ones on the quiver. IMO
I mark my nocks where I started. Then if its moved then it's tuned
Can you knock tune a arrow with ony 3 veins on it?
Yes
great video guys, but I think all of your arrows were flying nock high. I think if you went up to a stiffer spine your tune would come out much better.
Do you have any issue with peep twist?
It looks as if there is a house directly behind your target...or is it can you explain this? I mean it's like a basic safety thing? Also test spin your arrows coz some nocks and broadheads aren't aligned correctly.
are you guys running your arrows through an arrow spinner before you cut and fletch them? Sirius makes some pretty straight arrows out the box.
I think he mentioned ordering the EZ Buttons previously
States for deer tour? Michigan northern lower and upper penesiula? Minnesota boundary land? Louisiana?
Hey Warb , I just bought a bow and I believe it's my yokes but no matter what I do with sights it kicks left badly I literally just bought this bow it's the Fred Bear Ligit. I could use some advice.
Felt good being the 900th like👍🏼
Awesome video what sight are you using and where can I find these arrows? Thanks buddy
On arrow number 3, I think you shot it where the nock was originally and weren't happy, turned the nock 1/4 turn and still weren't happy, turned the nock another 1/4 turn and was happier, but still felt it was not as good as arrows 1 and 2, so you stopped, set that arrow aside as better but not as good as arrows 1 & 2. Why didn't you turn the nock another quarter turn and try (so it would be 3/4s of a rotation for original position)? From the little I understand, it seems like that was an unexplored nock position that potentially could have been as good as arrows 1 & 2. Am I mistaken?
Buy Easton FMJs or Axis arrows and build them yourself.
Curious why you didn't try that 4th nock position on the last 2 arrows.
And that’s why you use 4 fletch
You're NOT paranoid about lighted nocks affecting flight... My lighted nocked arrows shoot about 4 inches lower than regular nocks.
How old were you watching when you went to school?
Ward what broad heads are you using and what are the weight?
Why aren’t you shooting the thp arrows?
When we gonna see a western ny public land bowhunt from thp
when alot of people thi k of deer hunting in ny I think they think of upstate. But western NY has some great deer. I went to college at Brockport and say 3 identical bucks in a bachelor group one day that were all individually the biggest bucks I've seen on TV or in the woods. It was incredible
@@stevenperue1528 There was some monsters in that field in front of Brockport college....dont see them much anymore...theres definitely some big bucks around monroe orleans genesee county's.
Do you align your broadheads to your fletching, or not worry about it once you are nock tuned?
You got 4 vanes on there warb. Why did you only give them 3 turns/chances when nock tuning?
I bought 2 angle brackets, a 10 dollar dial Indictator. a 1 Kg weight, 2 eye hooks, a 3/8" in stick of wooden dowel, wood glue, 2 part adhesive. and a 1/4"×1" blot and nut. And a 2 ft 2x6 and made my own spine tester. I find the strong side of my arrow and fletch my arrows with the cock vein on the strong side of the arrow on every arrow. way more accurate and way easier. I can spine and fletch a dozen arrows faster than I can knock tune them all. it costs me about $30 between Amazon and home depot to make this arrow spine tester they usually cost 300 bucks online
You need to bare shaft knock tune
What fletching is that?
Don’t know how you shoot with your quiver on. Can really see in the slow mo how it pulls your bow over to that side.
How grains per inch are you using?
What camera and settings do you guys use to film the arrow flight in slow mo?
It comes with quality. You get what you pay for. If you buy a .006 straightness dont expect .001 straightness accuracy. Also having an arrow perfectly square on both ends can make those .006 arrows so much better. If spun and cut properly you can turn a bad arrow into a pretty darn good arrow. Something that can help fix having to go in the yard and chance losing an arrow shoot your arrows a 3ft 7ft and 11 ft through paper if you wanna be super anal and it can really eliminate any issues with broadheads moving forward. Peace of mind is great!
That’s great advice I’ve been tuning bows and arrows for 40 years and starting with the straightest shaft , and squared shafts is doing yourself a great favor when beginning to tune, ( you can purchase tool , made for arrows, to square them.
Your turning the natural spine of the arrow. Next time find the natural spine before fletching them. With both ends of arrow shafts sealed. Dunk them in a bath tub. Let them float until they stop spinning. The side facing down is your natural spine. Then fletch your vertical vane directly on that mark. Set knock with that vane at 12 o'clock. Your broadhead should aliment exactly the same also. If not...heat and turn insert until the blade are all the same. For 2 blades. Lay them at 9 and 3 o'clock. I guarentee you wont have problems with strays. If they shoot erratic. The shaft is not consistent.
How many arrow videos can you actually do ?
Lmaooo
All of them lol
@@stickyfrogoutdoors apparently
Another thing that helps with 2 blade broadheads is orienting them the same on every arrow. Some two blades fly better flat some fly better vertically aligned sometimes you might have to do the same thing as the nock and rotate it slightly to find how that broadhead, bow, and arrow combination shoot the broadhead best. To be able to orient the broadhead the way you want buy small rubber o-rings, then you can screw them on and rotate them how you want and they are still tight on the arrow. All my broadheads are oriented flat that’s just the way my longbow and arrows like to shoot that particular head some broadheads I shoot they like vertical. But having the broad head turned the same every time definitely makes a difference. Honestly more of a difference than the knock in my opinion. I can’t imagine that a carbon arrow has that much difference in spine that turning the knock would make a huge difference but it did seem your arrows got slightly better when you made the adjustment. Turning the broadhead is just another way to make your arrows more consistent.
7:57 is that arrow flexing?
Mine are either over or under spine tails wobble pretty bad 😡🤬
Dont those Apollo Axis arrows all have the spine pre marked on the shaft to make nock tuning done for you?
Apollo axis arrows never heard of that brand is it new
What slow MO app do you guys use?
If you would bare shaft
2nd
What lighted nocks are you shooting with the Apollo’s? I have the Apollo’s as well but haven’t found a lighted nock that fits with them yet? Used to shoot FMJ’s and would use an x nock but have had trouble finding some for the Apollo’s
Those look like nocturnals
5th
Hey, guys I would like to buy a doz arrows from ya, but I need assistance with selection, can you help me with that?
Why are you dropping your bow forward? You are forcing that movement even though your bow is tilting back.
Looks like you need to work on your string/peep site. Doing all the work on your arrows won’t help one bit if you can’t see through the peep when you draw! You shouldn’t have to twist the string like that before each shot.
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That's why I shoot victory arrows,they spine align all of there arrows,so there is no need for nock tuning.
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First
I love watching guys spend 25 bucks an arrow to elk hunt add weights wraps etc when you can shoot an aluminum arrow for 8 bucks and get 500 grains without trying with 125 grain head
Shoot bullshit arrows get bullshit results- victory arrows come spined and marked from factory build them right and it’s done .
Or on cheaper arrows just spine test and mark them your self using spine tester , throw out the bad ones
Tip number 1 Don't shoot Elk in the leg bone.
Never twist your nock on the string, good way to pop serving. Also your tuning at 20 yards, pointless. Further back you go the more pronounced the inconsistency get.
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