The Toxic Relationship Between Henry VIII's Children | Two Sisters | Real Royalty
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- Mary was a short-lived, little-favoured Catholic and Elizabeth was a long-reigning, all-admired Protestant. However, Henry VIII's daughters have more in common than meets the eye.
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Poor Mary of Tudor. She was treated like shit by her father. Because he rejected her mom. She was product of his first marriage, and he treated her like a bastard. That's really sad. On the other hand. Elizabeth also hadn't an easy childhood.
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"Mary suffered from low spirits" is that old timey talk for depression im assuming
Got the morb, how victorians would say
I’m such an idiot!! I thought they were referring to alcohol when mentioned “spirits.” It totally didn’t make any sense for her to suffer from lack of alcohol but I ran with it (stupid!). Depression makes more sense, I hope that’s what they meant
I think so
@@1b4101 Your comment made me giggle, lol! If I hadn't read Historical Books and Vids with the old terminology, I'd have thought the same thing about the low spirit meaning too with a big question mark above my head! ;b
I'm still suffering 😭
what the two daughters did was slapping their father right in the face when Mary put back the Catholicism and Elizabeth ended the Tudor dynasty.
That's a VERY SATISFYING way to think of it 👌
C A EXTREMELY SATISFACTORY 👌🏼
So true so fucking true
as they should 👏
omg, you changed my life. This is such a good point!
"Henry loved children."
Aw, that's so nice!
"He used his daughter as a political pawn."
Wait, what?
"And he also used her as emotional blackmail against her mother."
Hold up...
😂 ikr
Henry was one of the most depraved, brutal rulers in the history of the world.
Right😂🤣😂🤣
That was acceptable at that time
In another 300 years we’ll have machines raising our kids and being with them for “more then x amount of hours a day” we’ll be seen as abuse....
Then we’ll have a bimbo like you online calling me a bad mom because I spent too much time with my kids and didn’t allow the robots around more often which would have “made them smarter”
@@nenitaborjas1272 That escalated quickly...
So what I’m getting is Mary walked so Elizabeth could runnnnnn
Agreed
yes
@@abbeypeters9539 yeah but reign is about Mary queen of Scotland not Mary Tudor
@@abbeypeters9539 no you should watch the tudor on Netflix
@@heatherinch3802 its about all of henry's wives
I'm all of a sudden interested in the history of English monarchy.
We are ❤
Ah, yes the historical phase. The one that everyone went to unonowingly
As a Afro Latina, so am I. 🤣😂 I have zero ties to England but somehow I’m now obsessed with its history.
Same
@Amy L me too I literally watched the crown in 2 days now I'm watching all of those videos loll. If you haven't seen the crown on Netflix I highly recommend it. It talks about the monarchy from George VI ( The previous Queen Elizabeths father )
Katherine of Aragón had more balls than Henry when she was pregnant she got on a horse and rescued him in battle
Of course, Catherine of Aragon was the daughter of Isabella of Castille
What? Sounds interesting. I'll google for it
@Shirley Bailey im still watching the video and i remembered. Ive seen Tudor Tv series. Thats the story 😁
@@cameliaghica2212 Yes, Catharine was leading a battle against Scotland. I think she had a coat soaked in Scotland king's blood and sent to Henry.
Alright Mr KNOW IT ALL YARA
Imagine getting cancer, only you don't know because there's no way of finding out, and then it's taken for pregnancy.
You think it's something joyous, when it's really a mortal disease. When the pregnancy is revealed to be false, you are not only left with humiliation and isolation, but enormous physical pain of something you still don't know what is, and have no idea how to treat.
It would have to be the worst of all.
"women were controlled by emotions not reason"
[Henry VIII has entered the chat]
@e You make absolutely zero sense. =.=
@e lel, no. No I don't understand. Not really.
I get a gist of what you're saying about legitimacy vs. gender, and I do understand that part, because Henry did have living sons, they were just illegitimate. But what you're saying still doesn't add up. Mainly because this whole little distraction's got NOTHING to do with the OP's echoing of the beliefs of the day that women were thought to be completely controlled by their emotions. XD
That's where you're not making sense.
The point of the OP was saying that though Henry was male, HE was the one ruled by his emotions, and not a lick of reason. Then there's you, going on about the bloodline, and the documentary playing games of pretend about something. I just thought it was kinda funny. Like...what? XD
When I first read it I thought "women were controlled by emoticons not reason" 💀💀
If anyone in the Tudor dynasty was ruled by their emotions it was him.
Tbf it's widely speculated that his head injury played a role in his temperamental instability
Mary and Elizabeth had a loving relationship when their father was still alive. They were united by blood but divided by the crown.
Ira Williams very well said!
Also, imagine being the darling of your father only to have him suddenly declare you illegitimate and push you aside for a new wife. And then for that to happen all over again. Mary and Elizabeth would have had a lot in common as their histories were almost the same. To have loved each other and then have to turn on each other must have been heartbreaking.
Toni MP: Elizabeth was a focus of Protestant rebellion through no fault of her own. Mary loved her enough not to have her executed. That's more than Henry VIII would have done.
Actually when elizabeth was a baby mary doted of elizabeth and elizabeth wanted no one else but mary. So sad to see a crown divide these sisters. Mary had such a very sad life from a young age. Elizabeth was visited but only when henry had time for her. Henry was so goad dropping his children at his own whim.
@@robinlillian9471 absolutely
Edward who was so badly wanted by his father DIES at 15....anyone else think that it was karma?
Pretty much. The only one who gave England stability was Elizabeth.
There is no shortage of irony when it comes to the Tudor Katherine was love by the people Mary was completely despised by them. Anne Boleyn was completely despised by the people yet her daughter was loved. The son Henry had to have is hardly remembered yet the daughter he shunned is the one he needed.
@@PrincessKarrah Well said.
You know what also interesting to think Anne Boleyn taught Henry how to take have complete power and that same power is what destroyed her.
No, I think it was atypical cystic fibrosis. Karma doesn't make a bit of sense here. You and 68 other people seem believe karma is a superhero that metes out justice and gives people what they have coming to them (or rather, what all of you think they have coming to them). You are incorrect. What karmic debt did Edward acquire in Henry's quest for a male heir? He didn't ask his father to divorce Katherine, behead Anne, and impregnate Jane. Henry wasn't paying karmic debt either; he was dead. Your theory doesn't hold up.
I always hated history in school but I find myself as I get older watching more and more history and loving it lol 😆
that's probably because in school we feel forced to learn those and some teacher also didn't even try to make it sound exciting
@@youdontknowme5810 true, they didn't make it interesting to learn and also being young I wasn't to focused on learning history
Same here.
Because we were too young, forced to get up early, to go to a place we didn't want to. Now we can choose what to listen and what to watch from home, whenever we want.
Cuz we were graded for our knowledge and felt pressure. Now it’s just ooh i know a thing
It always blows my mind at how close Mary came to executing Elizabeth, and how much that would have changed history.
Well it was meant to be😣
J C Ruby The line of succession wouldn’t have changed, but everything Elizabeth did while she was queen wouldn’t have happened, and Mary Queen of Scots would have probably been made queen, if Elizabeth had been executed and Mary still died when she did, James would have been too young to rule.
England may not have been as stable and may have never colonised the new world ant America could be something very different.
James wasn't born until 1566. So Mary Queen of Scots may have been named Queen, she has having a lot of drama in her own life. There might have been a civil war for the crown. Who knows?
@@pbohearn just read your article and I liked it. It is so true that Mary was so underrepresented
A lot of these portraits are of Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots -- not Mary Tudor. They are being used because there's a severe lack of portraiture for Mary Tudor.
Also because Mary of Scotland was very attractive.
Mary Tudor is discribed as beautiful as a child and not ugly but not beautiful as she grew older. Very few portraits of Mary but in my opinion her potraits always look sullen. She has small lidded eyes where as elizabeth had beautiful doe lidded eyes. Mary has a poked small mouth that doesnt seem to know how to smile. Elizabeth has a whimsical charm to her a feminine quality that mary lacks
This is probably why I always get confused between the two! I keep thinking Elizabeth ordered the death of her sister, but it was Mary Queen of Scott’s...🙄
@@changingperspective. "Sister" was the convention used among all monarchs in Europe during the time. They were brothers and sisters in power and position, but also in religion. Even if they were on opposing sides of the Reformation. It was simply formality, but almost never literal. Sometimes it could be literal.
I believe I get the two confused. I watched Reign, about Mary, queen of Scots who also had a sister named Elisabeth. Correct? But she wasnt bloody Mary??
I have the greatest respect for all the queens that married henry. They all went through something bad with him, all the queens were powerful women.
Saddd
@Someone she put up with Henry.
@Someone also the fact she was basically a child being taken advantage of
@@universesavior554 How was she being taken advantage of? She was very free spirited. She had an affair and it got her into trouble. People were not “children” at 18. Life expectancy in the 1500’s was between 30-40 years old lol!
@@billie6528 she was like 17 when she married Henry and he was like 40+ many of the subjects even found that weird
Henry’s excuse was it was “incest” I- THATS THE ENTIRETY OF ROYALTY
Yeah! I noticed that too! 😂🤣
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LOL that's so right!
😂😂😂😂
There was always some excuse to get rid of the current wife for another.
Poor Mary. She deserved to be treated better by her father.
Yes, Mary was treated poorly by her father, but Mary's religious persecution of the Protestants was horrid. Burning people at the stake for their religion was so wrong.
Sheila Burns politician don’t care about people, they are fixated on power and interests
C. S. She sure did! Henry was horrible to both his daughters.
Gary Henzler technically not a genocide...
Gary Henzler you forgot intentionally, or mostly intentional. Irish potato famine =/= genocide, Armenian genocide = genocide. I will say the definition is vague.
If one were being technical , isn`t Lady Jane Grey the first female crowned Queen of England, even if it was just for 9 days.
That's right. Even I didn't think of that one.
@@janaalouch1654 Matilda was never crowned Queen of England, she was known as Lady of the English, and her son Henry ll was crowned King.
Neither Jane, or Matilda, were ever actually Crowned. I think that’s why they specify ‘Crowned’ Queen, rather than just Queen.
There was one queen before Jane Grey, Matilda, long time before Tudors.
Even if Jane and Matilda were not properly crowned, they were queens.
Mary probably was first properly crowned queen.
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She was a usurper and she was never crowned
Bless Mary for treating her sister far better than Henry ever treated his children.
And we've recently lost queen Elizabeth II. I was always fascinated by the Tudor sisters, and loved reading about the life of Elizabeth I. What a privilege it was to witness a queen of England who's authority wasn't questioned and who was also named after my favorite queen 🤍
Katherine of Aragon was such a brilliant woman, it's a shame how she ended.
Anne Boleyn too
Raised by her mother, Queen Isabella of Castile. Same as Anne Boleyn too in her own right. I'm sad how both ended.
Tolkien did her justice
@@eavyeavy2864 what did he do
Katherine of Aragon was proud not brillant. Eleanor of Aquitaine, who came before her, accepted a divorce from the king of France because she could not produce an heir. Katherine could have made the lives of the English people and her daughter easier if she just let Henry’s divorce happen.
"Together, the two sisters rode together into London." 😩 Must have been beautiful to watch
This is one of the times I wish I could time travel
When Mary decided not kill Elizabeth, it made me feel happy despite of what happened. I feel pity for the both of them.
Elizabeth wasn’t as merciful to Mary QOS
@@carinafourie9119 This is so true. Sucks that Mary didn’t execute Elizabeth
@@carinafourie9119 Oh please Mary I had Jane Grey killed in about 8 months July 1553-February 1554. She was far less merciful towards poor Jane Grey and Guildford and Henry Grey Jane's father than Elizabeth was to Mary Queen of Scots. Who was held in comfortable palaces for 20 years before Elizabeth reluctantly signed her death warrant. MQOS was plotting to kill Elizabeth and take her throne. Was Jane plotting to kill Mary in Wyatt's Rebellion? No both Jane and Elizabeth for that matter were innocent of trying to kill Mary. Elizabeth more so than Jane. There's no evidence Elizabeth ever plotted against her sister that's why Mary didn't/couldn't execute her. Jane reluctantly agreed to take the Crown from Mary but even she never tried to murder her cousin. There's a big difference between the Mary-Elizabeth, Mary-Jane and Elizabeth-MQOS situations. Jane also wasn't as big of a threat to Mary as MQOS was to Elizabeth.
@@scottievaldez4194 Wow this is just plain hateful. Mary had no grounds to murder her own sister because she was innocent of any wrongdoing. A relationship between two sisters who were raised together is very different than the relationship between two cousins who have never met each other. Mary I had Jane Grey her own cousin killed within months of taking the throne. Mary Queen of Scots was actively seeking Elizabeth's throne, proclaiming herself Queen of England for years and trying to assassinate her. We have this in her own writing! Elizabeth waited 20 years to put her on trial and execute her. MQOS was a much bigger threat than Jane Grey was. Also, Mary I would have also killed MQOS if she had been in Elizabeth's position.
@@heatherwaetzig2633 Elizabeth wasn’t Mary’s sister that was her cousin. Mary was the rightful heir to the throne. You need to listen to things you research on. Elizabeth was a bastard not legitimate to the throne dummy.
Henry betrayed just about every single person that was ever close to him. Any and everyone he ever claimed to love he treated with cruelty and callousness. And when he was done with them, he then threw them away without a second thought, if it suited his purposes to do so.
I have believed for a while he has some sort of brain damage from either a condition he had or a jousting accident. His behavior changed dramatically.
Lowkey know more about England’s history than my own country’s language lmao
It’s because there’s so much of it!! LOL
I felt this hard 😂❤️
Samee haha
same
I know America's and England's history more then i know of mine XD
Elizabeth was successful because she didn't get married...
AMEN!!!
I was married for 10 and a half years when I was 19 until I was 30 years old and I have not ever remarried and I'm 52 now
@Lenin Lives Queen Elizabeth II was married before she became queen..
Lenin Lives Murdered in a basement? Men, women, and children? Really? That’s a little... much.
Elizabeth did not get married because she did not trust men. Just look who was her father.
As a person who's grown up in America but ancestors have nothing to do with western history (Eritrea, Africa). I absolutely love English history. I've wanted to be a U.S history teacher for most of my adult life because of how much English history got my attention.
Most of this interest stems from the Tudor dynasty. This family forced me to learn more about the war of the Roses and even before that. This video was wonderful and not boring at all.
Ultimately I decided to become a geography teacher because as much as I love English and American history. My own roots stem from another hemisphere of thr world. That's a tribute to geography. Thank you for this great video. Onto the Edward video next!
P.S
I got to visit England and Scotland when I was 17 (am in my thirties now). Scotland looks a lot like my home state of Portland, Oregon (the green).
Scotish people eat something that Eritrean's eat (mostly on Easter) but is prepared and have different names. The Scot's eat haggis. Haggis is called doolet (do-let) in Eritrea. One of the rare times I've seen a commonality with Eritrea and anything western European culture. Cheers 🇺🇲🇪🇷🇬🇧
Haggis is something very common (although prepared different ways) in most of Europe. In Spain for example you have Morcilla which is very similar to Haggis but with Rice inside. Also there's no issue. You can love Chinese History, Japanese History, Russian History, etc. even if you are from a place with no connections there whatsoever.
As a teacher, I have watched plenty of videos on the topic. However, only few of them have actually made me feel curious, interested enough, as to share them with my students. This one is, by far, the one that I have enjoyed the most. Thank you so much!
Some of the pictures used here are of Mary Queen of Scotts not Mary Tudor!
Good catch!
This would explain why I confuse the two stories often. I think it’s done all the time.
Thank you! That's why I grew up thinking there were the same person for so long! Mary Stuart has her own interesting storyline and should never be confused for Mary Tudor.
I had to rewind a few times because of this.
100% thought Mary was Mary queen of Scots 😬😬😬😬
Henry was the definition of the worse father ever!!
More than that...he was a definition of a tyrant.
That's why I couldn't even get through the first part of the Tudors because I didn't like Henry and the Netflix show was all about Henry having sex and it disgusted me
and husband
I have done literally nothing wrong.
Henry the Muthafuckin Eighth - it's cool, Hank. You started the English Navy which became the most powerful in the world!
Though I'm not British, but I'm always fascinated by their history. All the love from 🇵🇭♥️🇬🇧
Same
How weird Marys husband was Philip her sister Elizabeth, the present Queen Elizabeth,s husband is Philip and her grandmother was Queen Mary, oh how the names go round in a circle
True
As if pre-planned to confuse us
I agree! Ridiculously confusing.
I always felt sorry for Lady Jane Grey. Yesterday just a cousin, next day....you are named as heir....wow. She was never officially crowned, having the title for just 9 days and then was killed.
There’s a good documentary on LJG that explores this more.
People forget that Mary pardoned her, and it was only because the Greys supported Wyatt's Rebellion in 1554 that Mary was literally forced to order the execution of Jane, as she continued to be the rallying point for the Protestants. Let us be honest, Elizabeth was cold and calculating, and she would NEVER have given Jane or anyone else a second chance.
I had a moment of confusion mixing- up Jane Seymor and Jane Grey
Right? Jane was by most accounts just a political pawn. Even Mary didn't want to execute her.
@@vickiezaccardo1711 I am more confused because every queen is either an Elizabeth or Mary...Queen Mary here is different from Queen Mary of Scot. Thought it was the same
If Mary had a child we would've had a different course of history.
Not only that. If the son of Catherine of Aragon, Henry, the brother of Mary, had lived more than 52 days (almost 2 months) none of this would have happened.
Mary did have a child.
@@Alejojojo6 Yep, Henry's reason for breaking away from the Catholic Church all stemmed from his inability to secure a legitimate male heir. At heart, Henry was always Catholic.
@@rjjacob101 Mary did have A son England would've been incorporated into the Habsburgs empire.
@@asideclaro I swear she did search it up
All the deaths could've been avoided if the people in charge would've let people believe in what they wanted to
Sadly, that is still a source of conflict in many parts of the world. So much bloodshed in the name of religion. The battle between Mary and Edward has always perplexed me. Both Catholic and Protestant are Christian religions. It makes no sense to me for one to vilify the other.
@@heatherhillman1 hI Heather
Same even with the Sunnis and the Other Lot In Islam, whatever they are called Shiites
Its all about MALES creating Dynasties
@@heatherhillman1It might not make sense on the surface. But there are meaningful differences in dogma and practice. Just the Protestant idea that intercessors weren't required in a person's relationship with God was quite a revolutionary thought, rejecting Catholic hierarchy. Then of course it also had a lot to do with power centers and alliances in Europe as well.
It would be Queen Elizabeth I whose religious compromise that would bolster the Anglican Church and bring about peace regarding the question of religion in England, though she and her security state executed Catholics too. Elizabeth had different motivations than Mary. Mary was a true daughter of the Faith and removed whom she saw as heretics to return England to Catholicism. Elizabeth, though a principled Protestant, had mostly political reasons for removing Catholic rivals. She endured ongoing pressure from Phillip of Spain and Rome to undermine her rule.
"Henry was already in love with the woman who would become his third wife, Jane Seymour."
No, I don't think Henry was in love with her, nor do I think he was capable of actually loving anyone other than himself at that point. If I'm being honest, I think the only one of his wives that he may have ever truly loved was Catherine of Aragon. They met before he was ever king before he had the weight of the world on his shoulders in his mind, and I think he *may* have truly loved her.
As much as I'm fascinated by Anne Boleyn, she's by far my favorite of the six wives and her story is what got me interested in all things Tudor, I don't believe Henry ever TRULY loved her. He was infatuated by her, he was obsessed with claiming her and making her his, but love? No, I don't think so. And I think it just got worse as he gathered wife after wife! The only reason he proclaimed Jane as his true wife, his favorite wife, is because she gave birth to his long-awaited male heir. Let's be real if she had given birth to a daughter and died still, or just never produced a male heir for him... She'd have been just another disappointment in his mind.
No, he never love ANY of his wivies. Henry was infatuated with Catherine in which he confused with love. The only thing stopping him from beheading Katherine was her family.
@@savagedarksider5934 Henry did love Catherine at first. That part is true. Don’t focus on how it ended but also focus on how it began.
In the beginning Catherine’s dad and her father-in-law pushed her around. She had financial problems after she was widowed. And realistically there are some relationships that start off great and end up poorly.
You are right that her family is what kept Henry from beheading Catherine. But that happened towards the end. Her father is also why she married Henry. Things would have been different if Catherine just said she slept with Arthur.
“Mary summoned her sister to court to witness the birth.”
Me: aww! That cute, she wants her sister to meet her niece/nephew!!
“Elizabeth would not be next in the line of succession. Everything is going Mary’s way.”
Me: Oh.. right.
@@amazinggracemessenger3435 ayo you good
@@Portlandporkpies yes I'm good ☺️
@@amazinggracemessenger3435 I'm guessing you're an american xD
@@idathuesen5740 don't know what that is xD
@@idathuesen5740 I'm reading the reply from Amazing Grace Messenger, please don't think that all Americans think that way. Very few of us, as Americans and Evangelical Christians, are that eccentric. If you look-up "out in left field"
I feel really bad for Mary. Her life was such a tragedy.
Bloody Mary.
Catarina of Aragon moved from Spain to England,when she still a child. She never went back, be a princess was commodity in that time, they were brave girl, the kingdom was in their hands literally. She had a strong mother, made her a educated princess in duty.
@@theraven6843 Like the historians said, it was nothing practically every other ruler wasn't doing at the time. She has a far lower body count than most of the men at the same level of power as her. Her dad destroyed thousands of lives over his life time. Mary even spared her sister's life. No one's saying Mary was a squeaky clean person, you really can't be with her kind of upbringing in such a savage world. But her life is much more nuanced than it is at first glance. She also had a tremendous burden on her, being the first Queen of England when no one wanted a woman in charge, and only wanted her on the throne because the alternative Jane Grey had no blood claim to it.
@@CreditR01 ancient europe was creepy i can’t believe they used burn people alive. They can just behead them or strangle them but burning anyone even an animal is so cruel in many levels they were obsessed with torture, darkness, dead and many diseases because they didn’t wash themselves until ottoman conquered them and they learned how to bath themselves, I’m surprised how they never mention this. Everyone was cruel before even asians but the burning alive was to much. I’m italian by the way so I’m surprised how our history doesn’t like showing negative things and how much we learned from others.
@@desertmoonlee6631 And don't forget;when Mary was 4 she was married to fully grown man.
"He was thriving."
Edward: 👁👄👁
I wish people would call Mary by her real name. People always ask me who she was, how she was related to anyone... first born of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon. Devout Catholic, had people killed for tiny "wrongs" but was a huge reason we have the United States.
I remember sitting in my Tudor History class in Uni, thinking how much the Tudors had to do with people leaving England for Holland and eventually the British colonies in America. So they've always captured my imagination. Amazing how things that seem unconnected really are, and can have amazing results for future generations.
'how much the Tudors had to do with people leaving England for Holland and eventually the British colonies in America.'Ever occurred to you THIS?
PPL LEFT OPPRESSIVE CLASS RIDDEN UK FOR ,...WELL..FREEDOM
a POTENTIALLY better LIFE
What a convoluted mess Henry made of these poor women't lives! :(
@David Ortiz Yes and a man in the middle of it all was a pure angel.. gtfo
It doesn't surprise me that Mary became "Bloody Mary". Her grandmother was a warrior queen before the term was thought of and she was a monarch in her own right which was unusual at that time. Catherine of Aragon used her religion as her source of support whereas Isabella I of Castille had no problem using violence if necessary to prove her point. Both of these women were inspirational and pivotal in Mary's life.
It makes me sad, particularly for Mary who is often forgotten as she was the first woman queen and also had a lot of the ideas that Elizabeth eventually adopted. But also makes me sad because they were fighting over religion... so weird now.
I can't believe I'm just watching this now. I love the perspective historians gave to the sisters. A balanced view of both competition and dynamic. It showed Mary in a much more different light that what people commonly knows her for.
I can never have hatred towards Mary...that poor thing went through hell and back.
Even Elizabeth was treated poorly and I can't fault her either. What they both did was based on how they were raised and how much religion really impacted those days.
But honestly, I have more sympathy towards Mary...she really did get a shitty upbringing and was definitely treated worse...especially when it came to her poor mother.
@Nicky F
I wouldn't say that either Mary or Elizabeth had a shittier childhood ! They both were treated bad in different ways.
And Elizabeths mother was beheaded, when she was a child! Thats curel too !
As much as i respect Catherine, that's just horrible.
I see your point and i think Mary was treated worse by their father. But both had a tragic life.
@@ahavacitrus4897 They both had bad childhoods but Mary really got the shit end of the stick. She suffered from endometriosis, depression and her mother being cast aside and thrown out of court. She went from being the favorite child and had the love of her father to him forcing her to be declared illegitimate and marrying a new woman, having a new child, and banning her from seeing her mother. On top of all that he cast out her religion which was one of the only comforts she really had left. She was forgotten and humiliated and treated horribly.
True! And when Anne Boleyn was alive and married to Henry she used to call Mary a bastard when ever Mary used to say that she is the right full princess of England , I really hate Anne maybe she was smart but definitely not a good person
@kacangbumbu987 Where you er is the fact that Elizabeth had a role model. Elizabeth had the time to see Mary's reign and what worked and what wouldn't. People fail to note the good Mary did while she was alive. There is no justice in comparing the two sisters. Haven't the comparisons made to them during their own times done enough harm? Shall we cotinue it in further generations and never let the two sisters rest in peace?
Now this was the real 'Game of Thrones'.
The author of Game of thrones, George RR Martin actually did base it on British history.
Of course
@@susanhavens8692 Not really. The based it on the french novel The Accursed Kings. He said so himself.
Game of thrones is based on the Two Roses War of England, a dynastic problem that came to England after the Hundred Years War between England and France
15k kuno iya sweldo.para pang gasto nila sa balay
28:08 this dudes legs look ridiculous LOL
I hated learning about this stuff in school but I couldn’t stop watching this
I have always thought Mary was an obedient, powerless woman, But, This documentary depicted her inner strength, grit, and determination, which is true power.
Thank you for sharing it!
Abc Xyz Baptist?
Abc Xyz yes, it’s a fact that she did so. But I am referring to the context of a 16th century woman who was strong enough to claim her right to the throne.
Abc Xyz she was a Christian who believed her denomination of Christianity was greater and wanted to restore her country to her former glory.
@Abc Xyz Mary I"Bloody Mary" was a Roman Catholic not pagan
@Abc Xyz there's a big difference from Catholic and Pagan religion
Amazing how Henry VIII used the Bible to suit his own wishes and get his way. If he had such a problem with marrying his brothers widow, then he never should have married her in the first place. But they actually were happily married and if she had given him a son or sons, this never would have happened. He would not have cared that she was married to his brother, only that he got a son.
Henry VIII Received a Papal dispensation to marry Katherine of Aragon. A number of years later when their sons did not survive, Henry wanted a reversal just like that???
No different then today with how people of influence or power twist the religion and law to suit their own agenda!
@@ambermellett3213 Exactly. Most certainly the law.
He was a selfish and arrogant sex-addicted King
His attitudes were extremely egoic, in my opinion.
Poor Elizabeth. She always, always had to worry about losing her head until she actually became Queen. From her father/sister of all people! Being punished/banished constantly, for nothing besides being Anne’s daughter. Maybe she had a bit of respite when Edward was king, because she was Protestant, (maybe, I personally think she didn’t really give a hoot). But then there were always those advisors, and Eddie was a kid. So….I’m surprised all her hair didn’t fall out from the stress.
And it seems pretty funny that “women run on emotion” 😂😂. I think that was Henry VIII’s default setting.
I wanted to learn more about Queen Mary and this documentary did not disappoint. Thank you so much! Subscribed.
6:01 "Right from a very, very early age, she was this pawn in a game of-"
My head: "A Game of Thrones! Say it!" :D
First reply.
Thought I was the only one 🤣
I always SMH at the way Henry disposed of wives who didn't bear him sons while it was his own sperm that dictated the gender of his children. Henry had a severe case of girlie sperm.
Henry VIII was a sneezy bucket.
Technically it was just two of the 6 that he disposed of for that reason. Katherine Howard had an affair with one of Henry's groomsmen and he divorced Anne of Cleves because he didn't like her. Catherine Parr got lucky and outlived him
That what he-(Henry) gets too for being such a dick too. (God cursed him with only daughters so that'll teach his fatass a lesson)
@@MorticiaAttoms actually I learned that (maybe/probably) Boleyn was set up and Howard was sexually assaulted. Anna of Cleves, well, Henry thought it was funny to dress up as old English folktales and scare her, but she was German, didn't get it, and got mad at him, which is why he began hating everything about her. But yeah ur right.
@@mistyshadows7209 what kind of a remark is that ? So we - females - are all punishments? Is that what you are saying? Didn’t study biology or common sense did you?
I think I've seen a dozen HVIII documentaries, all at least a few times. I never tire of it! And sometimes, it's great to hear another point of view - or dispel common 'facts'. Great learning the story from different points of view. Thanks for posting
Mary was a terrifying monarch, but my gosh, she was treated so horribly by her father when Elizabeth came along, it must’ve really messed her up. Not many wouldn’t be bitter after all that. I cannot imagine treating my child, small or grown, like that. But I’ve always wondered why Edward chose poor Lady Grey when he could’ve just chosen his half sister, Protestant Elizabeth?
Because Elizabeth and Mary was seen as illegitmate.
Most executions were made by bishop Gardiner and bishop Bonner. Only 7 were made by Mary I. Elizabeth I was not the nicest ruler, she had anabaptist and catholics quartered, she tortured a pregnant woman (Margaret Clitherow) she executed people who hided priests (Anne Line), she had black slaves and killed africans, she killed a lot of irishs, she executed her cousin, she made a cult of her personality, she made creepy jokes about her mother's death, she made the sailors who fought for her against the spanish armada starve to death because she did not want to paid them, she increased taxes and did not care if her people were dying because she wanted new dresses, she made propaganda and forbidded any bad information about her that's why we remember her as "good" queen Bess...
@@nassimboussaadia6720 She wouldn't made A good mother.
@@nassimboussaadia6720 Mary did all of those things and worse sorry she is responsible for all the 300 burnings that took place during her reign. She authorized them. She killed far more people than Elizabeth did over religion. Elizabeth's numbers are much lower only about 100. Elizabeth never had Catholics burned. Neither did Edward. Mary also killed a cousin Jane Grey hello. Tried to have Elizabeth killed. Mary also colonized Ireland the plantations started under her reign and she also had Irishmen killed. Mary also approved of slavery and supported the colonization of the New World and Africa under the Spanish. Mary also wrote propaganda and made a cult of her personality to make herself look good. Her sister reigned longer and was able to be more successful at crafting her image as a ruler. Other rulers such as Philip II did the same thing. Elizabeth honored her mother's memory she never made jokes about her that is a disgusting say.
There's no evidence Elizabeth owned slaves or supported the slave trade or killed Africans. She did support explorations of the New World and privateering against the Spanish. English explorers during her reign were kind to the Natives they encountered. Get your facts right. She did pay the sailors after the Armada Defeat she didn't however give them a pay raise. Some of them were knighted. Elizabeth reformed the finances and was always tight with money the country didn't have much in the treasury in 1588 which is the reason why she didn't pay them more. She wasn't wasting money on dresses. If you accuse Elizabeth of being ruthless you can't pretend that Mary wasn't both sisters were ruthless and flawed. Overall, Elizabeth killed fewer people over a much longer period of time and was a more successful ruler.
Elizabeth the first. Victoria. Elizabeth the II. England does well under a Queens rule.
the brexit begs to differ lol
@@tijanaself897 I'd guess Brexit has more to do with the elected officials than the crown.
What about Queen Mary II of England, Scotland and Ireland and Queen Anne of Great Britain?
This bodes well for Elizabeth Warren in the U.S. hahaha
What about Elizabeth the II dad, why does everyone forget about him
Mary had a horrible life! Poor lady.
People like to think ancient royals had perfect lives, but many of them had AWFUL lives.
Granted, it was worse to be a peasant or someone who displeased them, but none of those woman were Disney Princesses.
@@peggyliz9381 Mary felt bad for some of the people who she executed but that guy didn't felt bad.
Not as horrible as the people she had burned at the stake.
SE LO MERECIO POR FANATICA RELIGIOSA E INTOLERANTE
Someone accused her Father of "going on a wife killing spree"
If anyone in that family went on a killing spree? It was Mary. Today we would not say "Poor Whatsername". But Charlize Theron would get an Oscar for playing her in the movie.
Mary had Catholics killed for not holding "the host" (or as non Catholics say, the Communion wafer) at the exact correct angle.
There is nothing sane about that. She was a perfect example of why people fled religious persecution . It really started with her and should IMHO be a part of American History.
Wonderfully informative documentary. Well structured, no unneccessary dialogue or exaggerated details. Thanks for posting.
Well done! Thanks for the upload!
What we call Bloody Mary could’ve easily been celebrated as Europe’s strongest and most inspiring queens if she had a similarly long reign. Mary, upon the death of her brother, rode on horseback for more than 70 miles to escape imprisonments by Lord Northumberland. She gave speeches that were similar power as her sisters. It was really a matter of the small issues that ultimately hurt Mary.
Exactly and in my opinion, Mary and Catherine could have rallied all of the catholic countries the moment Henry started talking about leaving the church.
Uhhh... the people burned at the stake during Mary's reign likely felt much differently.
@@Gobble_de_Goop yeah they probably did
@@Gobble_de_Goop The people executed in Elizabeth's reign would hold the same view of her too then, would they not? Soceity was structured differently back then, you can't judge any of them by expecting them to have behaved by our modern standards of morality. Understand their times and you will understand them.
@@Gobble_de_Goop Henry VII and VIII, and Elizabeth I killed way more people. This is true even if you account for the length of their reigns. Elizabeth also had several close family members executed.
God Taught the King a lesson. You dumped your wife just because she cant give you a son. God wants you to realize that women are also loved by God. If you dont love your wife everything falls apart
@Gaming Divinity uh?
"Many forget that Mary was the first crowned queen"
Lady Jane Grey's severed head: Am I a joke to you???
Lady Jane Grey was taken to the Tower of London to await her coronation and never left alive again. She was never officially crowned Queen, therefore, Mary I was the first crowned queen regnant.
King Henry VIII did indeed have 3 living male children, with the addition of 2 others that died not long after birth.
1) Henry, Duke of Cornwall died at 52 or possibly 58 days of life, most likely from SIDS - Born to Catherine of Aragon
2) Unnamed Male child born alive, but died less than a day later - Born to Catherine of Aragon
3) Unnamed Male child born alive, but died within minutes or hours. - Born to Catherine of Aragon
4) Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset - Born to Mistress Elizabeth 'Bessie' Blout - Died at age 17 from illness
5) King Edward VI, King of England - Born to Jane Seymour - Died at age 15 from illness
There were other possibly illegitimate children, such as Henry Carey or John Perrot, but since Henry nor his successors recognised them, neither will I.
There was possibly another child male child born, that died not long after birth. Anne Boleyn's second pregnancy just disappears without a mention. That pregnancy would have been in its later stages so either she had a still born baby or neonatal death. However we don't even know that child was male, but its the only possible male child left, too mentioned.
Though Anne Boleyn definitely did fall pregnant later on with a male child, she miscarried at about 4months in, so there was no chance of life.
Who's idea was it to use a known photo of Mary Queen of Scots when talking about Mary I of England...fact check people...fact check.
I have no idea because Mary Queen of Scots was 6 ft tall and very beautiful and beguiling as well as a fabulous ruler. She was witty and could outmaneuver Queen Elizabeth but she didn't really want to be Queen of England and actually to us today she would have been 4th in line after Elizabeth.. Mary Queen of Scots was Queen of England consort until her husband died young and she remained Queen of Scotland from the time she was six days old until she died at 45 and then her son James became king of England Scotland and Ireland after Queen Elizabeth died because Queen Elizabeth did not leave any heirs to the throne and James would have been the next heir since his mom was gone.
I'm confused.
No, not about the part of who was whom. I have no horse in the race.
My confusion is I had no idea that photography existed during this period (you did state "known photo"). Perhaps you mean known photo of a painting? "fact check people... fact check."
@@pintorpi333 it was a photo of a portrait...how's that for fact checking assbite? Unless you're suggesting they had the original portrait in their possession for this video..in that case you're delusional.
Sherry Qualls I know ! I Ve noticed as well
@Kat Harper To be fair, Mary was brought up in France, she was a very French queen and did not know her people or her country. Mary didn't know that Lord Darnley was going to murder her trusted friend and secretary when she was six months pregnant, there was no way she could have. He was murdered right in front of her. There is also no evidence that supports the theory that Mary conspired with Lord Bothwell in any way to kill Darnley. She didn't know her people and she was doing the best she could with what she had at the time. She was also forced to marry Bothwell and was raped by him, resulting in twins, which she later miscarried while imprisoned in Loch Leven.
Me: * Researchs worst father in dictionary *
*Picture of king Henry 8th: * pops up **
Me: seems accurate
@Lauzorry La Zorrita Really? I didn't think anyone would see my comment
@Lauzorry La Zorrita I'm shook INTERNET HIGH FIVE 🙏
He wasn’t winning “best husband” awards either lol
I have done nothing wrong.
@@henrythemuthafuckineighth Keep telling yourself that
Feels wrong to write "Poor Mary" - after all, the "bloody" part in her nickname isn't taken out from thin air, but such agony... The amount of mentally and physically pain she endured during her short life makes my skin crawl.
For all the negative claims about female rulers being ruled by their emotions, it turns out Henry was more emotional of than Mary and Elizabeth were.
Imagine being part of court in these times and seeing everything happen. For some reason I’ve been so obsessed with these two queens and how their lives played out and to see how they reigned it’s just fascinating!
Maybe you had a past life as a courtier a part of this drama. Maybe an uncle or lady in waiting
Some people really have a death wish lmao
It was very dangerous being at court at that time.
Mary’s life was so mostly tragic, it is a shame she doesn’t get a better nickname 💜
It's all fairytales
nobody :
me in quarantine : *time to watch every documentary available on horrid Henry the VIII and his family*
Her name was *Queen* Mary, *not* bloody Mary!
What an unnatural father, to put his daughter, Mary, through so much heartache. If we add to that the estimated 72,000 people that he executed including Sir Thomas More, he has to be England's worst tyrant.
I think so, too, am always amazed though what UTTER FASCINATION PEOPLE SEEM TO RESERVE FOR THE TRULY UNDESERVING
I very much enjoyed this documentary ,I hadn't realized the King Henry didn't allow Mary to attend her mother's funeral?
Yep, it's true.
It was the saddest thing i've ever heard
He truly was a cruel person
Henry was a true expletive deleted. Have you ever watched the series the Tudors?
He was an asshole
Absolutely brilliant episode. Really beyond belief. I am indebted to your channel. Truly fantastic.
I feel so bad for both the sisters, how different the world could have been different had they somehow been able to work together- both of them would’ve changed the world in ways far beyond what each of them could do by themselves. It would’ve been ultimate slap in Henry’s face to see both of his daughters working together on the throne of England.
I honestly don't know which one of them I should pity the most. Both had their mothers taken from them at a young age, both were brought up by a father who gave them no love, both were forced to be parted from the men they did love, and both ended up making terrible mistakes.
I mean yes life isn’t black and white we shouldn’t have to choose who to pity the most it was just unfortunate all around
Both women ruled a world dominated by men. One mistake and they would die.
I pity Mary the most because she has been branded as an evil bitch by history due to the massive propaganda campaigns aimed at undermining her reign.
It's sad to see that their father failed to recognize their potential and talents.
Loved the documentary.. well explained 💕💕💕
This documentary is very well done. (BTW, gotta love those unskippable ads that pop up right when you're getting into the doc.)
Even though The Tudors is inaccurate in some ways, I appreciate how they depicted the relationship between Mary, Elizabeth and Edward. Of course they were all later divided over religion, but it would seem that they did still care for each other, as they never quite attempted to have each other killed.
Actually that's not quite right. At least one point in Mary's reign Elizabeth was indicated in a major plot to assassinate Mary and the queen was borderline ready to sign her sister's warrant for her to be executed. The only thing that saved Elizabeth from her own death was that right before the execution of the other two men who had been convicted of the murder plot the two men recanted their stories of Elizabeth being involved at all. I'm guessing that they did so thinking that they would save Elizabeth and in turn another rebellion would have taken place and that one would have led to mary herself being executed and then Elizabeth would have been declared queen of England.
@@angelcarter6387 Oh, I didn't consider that. Although I'm sure that the two must-have believed that there were plenty of nobles who wanted to make it seem like they were purposefully acting against each other.
The narrator keeps saying 1625... wrong century honey.
Joshua Pirro and pics of Mary Stuart, instead of Tudor.
I wondered if anyone else caught that too. Smh
Brilliant long overdue Documentary
I love your channel newly subscribed.
I appreciate the articulation spoken by each. Describing the history on your channel.
Did anyone catch the mistake in dates???? They said Catherine of Aragon turned 40 is 1625. She wasnt even alive in that century!!!
Yeah I thought we were in the 1500's
1530s was when Elizabeth was born...catherine died a couple of years later..elizabeth was monarch till 1604 I believe
@@suziewheeler6530 Elizabeth was born in 1533 and died in 1603.
Like I said...really close
Thank you!!! I listened to it 4 times I thought I was crazy
Poor Jane. She really had no choice in the matters she was pushed into... and she got killed for her trouble.
Alicia B. Yes, hers is a tragic story.
I'm very interested in English history and French history. I find it so fascinating and cool to learn abt other country's histories.
At the end of the day, KARMA CAUGHT UP WITH HENRY VIII..
That nigga long gone
Karma, obesity. dropsy, greed
As it always does
That would be karma vaught up with tudor for killing the plantaganent king edward and prince richard
I like that Elizabeth is spoken less while Mary is spoken more
No true Elizabeth is spoken way more than Mary. And she was a way better ruler.
The world is not really short of biographies of Queen Elizabeth I. She's a consistently well documented and fascinating figure.
Elizabeth's brilliance of mind really is underappreciated. She could speak and write over 6 languages by age 12. But a young Elizabeth Tudor was hard not to love - Brilliant, witty, thoughtful and rebellious(wearing her mother's initialed pendant for a family portrait at the age of 10 or 11). In 2019 a recently discovered translated manuscript(handwritten) The work is a translation of a book in which the Roman historian Tacitus at Lambeth Palace Library in London was written by Elizabeth I herself in the 1590s. In her lifetime, she had to be one of the most educated persons in England and definitely in Europe.
My crappy Wi-Fi saw that I was getting educated so didn't even break once except for ads. 😂😂
I think what is always overlooked when people talk about Henry VIII's obsession with having male heir is his education. Henry was one of the first English Monarch's to receive a renaissance education which would've included the study the Anarchy - the first English civil war. When Henry I died, he named his daughter, Matilda, as his heir (side note: Matilda is sometime referred to as Empress Maude in the histories) . But her cousin, Stephen, along with many other male nobles refused to accept the rule of woman. It sparked off a civil war that ended in a truce. Matilda agreed to stand down her armies and let Stephen rule in peace as long he named her son, Henry (aka Henry II), as his heir. Henry VIII was well aware that if he left a female heir, the male nobles might not accept her rule and it might spark off another civil war. Fortunately, by the time of the Tudor period, the male nobles were willing to accept a female ruler.
FASCINATING
Thanx...
I felt like Mary was obsessed with restoring Catholisim she had forgotten what being a Catholic is.
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No, she did not. She practiced The Faith throughout her entire life.
Honestly based off her shitty life she was desperate
She was the sort of Catholic that Catholicism back then taught her to be. Executing people for heresy was what the Catholic church did in those days, they sincerely thought they were doing God's work, saving souls, preventing evil etc..
Maybe because of what happened in her past life
Thank you for this video
Awesome video,,thx 4 sharing
The pictures of the queens & kings are truly astonishing. You can really feel the power through the images. Beautiful!
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Anne Boleyn 🤣
you was killed sis that’s what happened 😭
Don’t worry your daughter became a legend in history 👁👄👁
For simple terms a lot
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Very good documentary. Thank you!
I'm not much of a history person but this kind of history I love to listen to so much. Something about the story of queens makes me intrigued
Mary I is the "Rodney Dangefield" of English monarchs- no respect given to her, and that is most unfair. If anything she was the victim of a posthumous negative PR job by Elizabeth's court who vilified her as "Bloody Mary" while building up Elizabeth as "Gloriana" despite her killing more Catholics than Mary did Protestants. Poor Mary suffered a lot in her life AND IT WAS ALL DADDY'S FAULT! Henry VIII had a lot to answer for putting his eldest daughter's in misery after adolescence because she was loyal to her long-suffering mother! He didn't let her marry, banished her to distant cold castles for years at a time that ultimately wrecked both her looks and health over the years. If she had only raised an army against her father or fled to the Continent (and her Spanish relatives) maybe she could have had a happier existence. A Mary Tudor biopic is long overdue- ideal for Helen Mirren or Meryl Streep, with Daniel Craig as Philip and Emily Blunt as Elizabeth.
😎 I'd watch that! 💌
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Avatar610 Mary killed over three hundred by burning (which is one of the worst since it takes hours to die.) and some historians say she murdered Protestants by the thousands, and everyday there was a burning. She even burned a pregnant woman who gave birth while she was being burned at the stake...and the executioner threw the baby in the fire.
Danielle and how many Catholics did ELIZABETH kill off? And let’s not forget her killing off her cousin Mary Stuart!
Angelina Jolie as Mary and Saorsie Ronan as Elizabeth
Amazing documentary！