I can't even joke about Anne Boleyn, poor woman, Henry VIII and Cromwell were nasty bits of work inventing that nonsense about her, she had to hear her brother because executed a few days before her, can you imagine it.
The sexist viewpoint back then could argue that her mother was the cause of her misfortune. Because her mother couldn’t have a boy. Of course we know now that having a boy is ENTIRELY reliant on the male. Her father was absolutely to blame. Her mother was blamed for not having a boy. Had her mother had a healthy boy, her life would have been much better, her mother remaining Queen and Mary a royal princess. Of course that is utterly ridiculous as one cannot determine the sex of a child. Henry made her life hell because of his incapability of having a boy and his insane desire to have one. He could have set Mary up to be an excellent Queen but preferred to ignore her or treat her horribly and have a boy instead
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Sadly, he was deeply unpopular amongst his peers but his forté was the Tudors and he created a wonderful narrative which we could all find interesting and entertaining. He brought the past to life with detail and his POV.
@@aurinkobay7118The problem with your very being developing within a dysfunctional family is that you interact with the outside world with an understanding that is, to some degree, entirely based on your family being the standard to which you compare everything, and once you add in the social stigmas that compel us to hide our inner family turmoil from the only thing that might show us just how different our own families are, for better or worse. Once you factor in the typical responses to trauma, neglect, and abuse; there's an incredibly plausible situation, where we can lose the ability to assess whether or not, our family or our individual lives are dysfunctional. Unfortunately, it almost always requires the use of a trusted professional or even just a friend so we discuss the past that we so easily allow ourselves to forget about(our ability to adapt & move on with our lives is one of the more incredible abilities that humans possess but it also allows us to accept the cards we were handed by others instead of finding our own cards to refine & define us. Self determination and self advocacy are traits that we don't even understand once we lose them and the worst part is that dysfunctional families will destroy us while maintaining that they will love us unconditionally. Personally I understood just fine that unconditional love wasn't a reality of any relationship but what I wasn't prepared for was discovering that my upbringing caused me to develop an attachment disorder that created very convenient ways for my family to manipulate me(and later on, cause issues in any relationship I pursue.) I didn't understand that my mom's hugs were the only reason I suffered through so much unneeded trauma until I was in a juvenile court room and a psychologist, social worker, and the judge made it so my mother was physically unable to hug me (it's quite common for parents to want to hug their children before they do some time incarcerated) I had absolutely no understanding that I would become extremely distressed & emotional whenever my mom hugged me, and i had no understanding that the incredibly strong emotions i felt were the complete opposite of what a hug should feel like. Once we can start asking ourselves how well we grasp our understanding of things that are never explicitly explained even if it's unpleasant then it's time to start asking ourselves "am I from a dysfunctional family." I'm sorry for the rant but I hope you might understand that I'm typing all this out because, regular ol people who had balanced healthy upbringings do not just randomly share that their family life was normal. You felt the need to assert that your family was fine while simultaneously feeling some connection to the topic that is entirely about how literally all walks of life can exist in fucked up dynamics. The day I started calling out my family on their bullshit as well as my own bullshit was the start of the best times in my life and it hasn't stopped yet
Queen Mary was someone “evil” that could be empathised with. She was a victim of her father’s moves, including the divorce of her parents, and subsequent mistreatments by Anne Boleyn. She wanted to prove her point, and she had to endure hardships such as not allowed to hear masses in her favourite language. These weren’t her faults. She was also educated to understand that males were more important, and so she tried her best to get a husband and an offspring, claiming someone to be used by God and blessed time and again, there was no reason why she would think otherwise. She is definitely bloody, out of the desire to clear all bad influences poised by the Reformed religions, and trying to make right of the wrongs in her eyes. And one more thing that I have learnt, is why Elizabeth I eventually chose not to marry, after seeing all these troubles from her father to her half-sister.
@ Jason yu Yes, I think you're right about Mary I and Elizabeth I. Elizabeth would have certainly been influenced by the events surrounding her, how could she NOT be? Elizabeth had seen what happened to her own mother, and to her half - sister Mary. Elizabeth spent most of her youth avoiding marriage. She even put her favourite woman in the world Kat Ashley - who had brought her up and been her governess since she was either 2 or 3 years old - in the Tower of London, simply because Ashley had advised her to marry the King of Sweden. Of course, she let Kat Ashley out of the Tower again, but it was certainly a warning - "Do NOT cross me, or you will be punished! And I won't be nearly as lenient towards the rest of you as I was to Mistress Ashley"!!! Not that she ever said this but she didn't need to say it. What she did say, however, was her famous speech to her troops at Tilbury: "I may have the body of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a King. And an English King at that!"
I'm thinking that elizabeth was terrified before her ascension that she would be beheaded also, after she was imprisoned while young. Marriage, betrayal and death were closely connected. She herself said, " I will have one mistress here, and no Master!". I wonder if anyone has done a psychologist autopsy on her??
Actually, Henry VIII did NOT own a mirror, as they had not been invented yet. Small, flat, polished pieces of metal gave a dim, distorted reflection of a small portion of one’s own face, but plate glass was over a hundred years in the future, and methods of turning flat pieces of glass into mirrors were even farther in the future.
If Mary had been allowed to marry when she was younger, there might have been a Tudor dynasty as long as the Plantagenets. Because of Henry’s obsession with producing a male heir there was only 3 generations of Tudor royalty.
I do too, but he was in some hot water for racist comments: In August 2011, Starkey attracted criticism for some comments made on the BBC's Newsnight programme where he was a panel member together with Owen Jones and Dreda Say Mitchell.[71] The programme discussed the 2011 England riots. Starkey condemned "this language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country", that listening to the voice of the black MP for Tottenham where the riots occurred "you would think he was white" and that "The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture."
Whew chile! It's no wonder Mary went postal! They took everything including her MOTHER from her!! I hate to say it but I woulda burned it all to the ground!
ITA. The treatment of her by historians is SO misogynistic. Mary was goaded to hell and back by her useless douchebag father and husband. What was she supposed to do? Just be quiet and eat shit? Her power was no more abusive than any male ruler and yet here we are.
@@complimentary_voucherYeah. I read that when she wasn’t casually burning 100’s of people, she was actually quite pleasant. If it weren’t for White patriarchy she’d be called Goody Mary.
So, in actuality, the burnings were not ordered out of vindictive objectives. Mary had the notion that she was being punished by God becshe was too lenient in the punishment of the heretics. When Mary gained the throne after Edward's demise, John Dudley (Duke of Northumberland)Guilford Dudley ( his son) and his wife, Lady Jane Gray (Queen of Nine Days) weren't executed, just held prisoner in the Tower. She gained the nickname "Merciful Mary" and the respect and love of her people for her forgiveness. In my opinion, her change in thinking was brought about by several factors. After Wyatt's Rebellion, she realized that things weren't all peaches and cream, and not all of England wanted to be under the thumb of the Pope, and of Spain. (They remembered the not-so-distant past and the harsh reality of the Spanish Inquisition. With the anguish, the embarrassment, the degradation of the "baby that wasn't) added to everything else, I'm sure she was mentally incapable of processing everything at once. Therefore, she did what countless monarchs, before and after have done. She blamed it on God. God was angry with her. God wanted her to burn the heretics. God wouldn't allow her to get pregnant. And so evolved...Bloody Mary.
@@julianaadams5751 I don’t think she would have “ blamed” it on God , more herself for not doing enough for God . She would also have been at the influence of powerful advisors , a woman in a man’s world of politics and deception
A lot of the turbulence of these times was Henry's breaking up of the monastic system and desire to have the wealth of the Catholic church added to his coffers. His people killed hundreds of priests,monks and nuns. When Mary came to power, she engaged in the same behavior to try to restore Catholicism. Her advisors and the nobles wanted it, and made it happen as necessary for their continued support. It almost always comes down to money 😐😐😐🤔🤔
Its mot money its power...money was their.way to to it...same today...just look at the corrupt BIDEN PELOSI clinton waters sheliea jackson shiftyshit brennan comey...the list.foes on and on today...
Many nobles were Protestant and went into exile like Francis Walsingham. He returned from the Holy Roman Empire after Mary died. More people than not supported Elizabeth I, a protestant. Mary killed her 1st cousin once removed, Lady Jane Grey because Mary's brother Edward named her as successor in his will before he died aged 15.
Well rather how trauma turns a human being into a monster. She was completely delusional, had phantom pregnancy, felt humiliated again and pretending to accept god’s will took her revenge on people who didn’t obey her like her own body didn’t. I don’t give a shit she was sad. Her sister had all reasons to be sad as well. Her mother was called a witch , a traitor, a cheater and what was worse - to cheat on king with her own brother. Her mother was murdered and she was also named bastard. Mary was just too stupid and to weak to be a queen. Yes, Henry and Elisabeth also send people to death but there was at least a bit of logic and it was done for the country. Here it was so visible she was just playing out her anger and hatred.
Elizabeth listening to Mary's last will and testimony: Sure sis, im not upset at all about you imprisoning me, calling me a bastard child, slandering my mother or trying to force me to convert to your religion.....
It's not slander if it's true. Elizabeth was indeed a legal bastard as her parents were annulled, and that's not counting the change in religion and her marriage to Catherone of Aragon. Her mother was indeed a mistress and not exactly a saint. However, that doesn't change the fact that Henry's justification for executing her was asinine. The charges were false, and even if they weren't, if they annulled and never married, how could Anne have possibly committed adultery? And the pressure to change her religion was by far cruel. Inspite of all that she was heir to throne, but there was an argument that she was indeed a bastard.
Elizabeth never betrayed her sister. Elizabeth did attend mass but not baptized. All the trauma Elizabeth experienced at the hands of her father and sister made her a survivor. Elizabeth decided not to marry though she manipulated many of the more powerful nations than England.
@@juliancain3872Elizabeth being a bastard massively varies depending on whether you’re catholic or Protestant and it’s very offensive to say that in England. Guessing you’re foreign and the former.
@tomben6180 I'm actually neither. But I was raised in a Quaker Protestant. English heritage. However, I simply don't care if that's offensive to say. Sorry, but under both churches, she would be considered illegitimate. In the eyes of Catholics, her father was still married to Catherine of Aragon when she was born. Under the Church of England (where the monarch is head of the church) her parents' marriage was annulled, therefore making her illegitimate. I personally think the annulment was BS, but it happened. Now, there is precedent that the children from an annulled marriage could remain legitimate if they were born in "Good faith" IE: Eleanor of Aquitaine's children from her first marriage, and in more contemporary times believe Louis XI (or XII) of France's daughters too. Henry VIII's own sister married that King in hopes of finally getting a son. But both instances were of the Catholic faith. Now, the argument can be made that Elizabeth was born in "Good faith" but the head of the Church of England, her father, chose to be spiteful and declared her illegitimate. He also put her in the line of succession, which was also his right. But the fact is bastards have taken thrones before, afterall, William the Conqueror was also called "the bastard". What ever else happened, Elizabeth I died as Queen of England.
Mary has the reputation she deserves. Revisionist historians and feminists see her as a 'tragic' and 'misunderstood' figure, conveniently forgetting her murderous reign - burning hundreds, including sixty women one of whom was a nun. And do not forget the horrific burning of Perotine Massey who was pregnant: "And the said Masseys infant breaking violently out of the mothers wombe into the fire, was taken out once and presently throwne again into the fire and burnt."
Wow, that was her writing at 8 or 9 years old. I realize illiteracy rates were high back then, but if you were educated it seems that education far surpasses what people get today. Her handwriting alone at that age is extremely refined compared to today's claw marks.
Catherine made sure her daughter Mary received an education fit for a king not just an education for a princess. Catherine knew her daughter was going to rule England one day.
Problem with people who are evil is either they believe they are doing good or they are holding onto their past or both. You can tell yourself whatever you like trying to justify your actions but i never sympathize with people who are cruel and have a tough past. If your situation is current and if you're fighting your past to overcome it that i will sympathize with you for but if you never accept what happened to change for the better or do your best to get help to overcome this problem you're doing it to yourself and you will always be sad and depressed. Taking it out on others because of your past issues isn't any excuse. Mary is no exception nor are her actions.
So unfair for starkey to just say “Catherine had grown fat and ugly” - As a lifelong researcher of this topic that’s not so easily stated. Maybe she did maybe she didn’t. She definitely got heavier but for a historian to just state that, really distasteful. State that Henry was besotted by a new person, and Henry had grown bored knowing Catherine was past her childbearing years. Respect her.
i think of Mary, as a scorned woman. by her father and family, her own husband didnt want her. so for her to express her anger and sadness she lashed out to innocent people. blamed them for her misfortune.
True it was skipped over but it was A little more complex, he originally didn’t want to execute Jane, (janes story is pretty tragic as she never even wanted to become queen but that aside) Jane wasn’t necessarily completely innocent but she was heavily manipulated. But back to the point originally Mary forgave Jane, but due to the actions of Janes father in attempting to get Mary to renounce the throne and so on Jane was executed after months of Mary refusing to sing janes death warrant
Mary didn't have to have Jane Seymour exucuted she cud have just had exiled Edward named Jane above the rightfull Queen Mary as his successor but Jane didn't realy want the job as Queen Edward hated.catholics but his mother Jane Seymour was good to mary she got Mary and Henry back together Edward was a nasty piece off work he would have been a nightmare for catholics had he lived to adulthood good riddance
Re the portrait of Henry @ 14:00 (approx) When one considers the gargantuan effort the artist must have made to flatter Henry, his face speaks volumes. I can't decide if that tiny twisted mouth is simply petulant or markedly cruel; I suppose it's both. However I think there was at least one artist who could be thankful his King was so desirous of being seen as slim, trim, and powerful he only cared not to have wrinkles exposed, or that heavy jowls and triple chins should disappear. Given his age, bulk and habits it's fantasy to think he didn't have a really obese face as well as body. That piggy face with its tiny humourless eyes and little twisted mouth are a very real indication of his nature at that stage of life imo. Remembering he probably wanted to be shown as a generous and beneficial king in the portrait, I imagine a real emporer's new clothes attitude by his courtiers.
I’m not excusing any of them, the Tudors were considered evil by the standards of the time, never mind now, but there are explanations as to why they became so evil. Henry was quite a reasonable and positive young Prince/King… until he had a bad fall, hit his head and seriously injured his leg. This contributed to a complete personality change, he could no longer compete on horseback or be active so he got fat, the brain injury likely made him short tempered and irrational and that snowballed as he got older. Mary was the unfortunate victim of that, as was Elizabeth to a lesser degree, and it set Mary on the path to becoming similar to her father. It’s a tragic tale that can be seen today where victims of abuse become the abuser when they get older. They are to blame themselves, absolutely but I do think history could have been a little different had Henry not fallen off that horse.
I love timeline documentaries, especially with this narrator. I love his voice. Theyre informative, easy to understand and very well re-enacted. 😊im glad my youtube popped this one up next after my other video i love my yt fyp.🎉
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@@selecttravelvacations7472yeah because he's so humorous... Or ignorant as most in the West are of The Great Schism and the true roots of Christianity or that Roman Catholics broke away from The Church
Mary was going to let her live but Jane's father and other men led a rebellion while Jane was in the Tower so Mary decided Jane was too dangerous to live. Jane had a strong claim as she was Henry VII's granddaughter.
Yes and so do I....one person (amongst many) was Thomas Cranmer the protestant Abp of Canterbury who against the WILL (document) of Henry VIII promoted Lady Jane as Quenn.
He said no woman ever reigned England before Mary. What sbout Maud around 1000-1100 ad. She nominated herself emperor Maud. It was a short reign though
You mean Empress Matilda ? She was supposed to become queen of England but never really did because her cousin took the throne first. As for her title of empress, it came from her first marriage to the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire.
@@busyb1513 Oh dear me. Mary Tudor known as Bloody Mary burnt alive 287 Protestants in her FIVE YEAR REIGN. Elizabeth I in her FORTY FIVE YEAR REIGN had executed 200. Do some Maths and work out how many would have been killed if Bloody Mary ruled for 45 years. I know a Catholic when I come across one
Oh, thank you, for this wonderful story about Mary! I just loved every minute and learnt so much. I could listen to Professor David Starkey all day! Even though I’m an Aussie I love all things English. Thank you 🙏
Every time i think about the atrocities committed by world leaders in the name of religion, I just dont understand why we still have organized religion still
Religious wars: 123 out of 1763 wars - that's 'only' 7% of all wars. Publicly atheist leaders: More than 50% did mass killing of their own people (source: Encyclopaedia of Wars)
Mary's biggest downfall well one of them was she blamed Anne and Elizabeth for the things her father had done to her and her mother when she should have blamed him
You have to remember that she had a front row seat to abuse of her mother and the whole stepmother not liking you thing made it worse. Sooooo yeah.... none of them were angels.
So we're just going to ignore the part where they said the homewrecker used to slap and find ways to humiliate Mary… By HER OWN volition. Of course Starkey doesn't mention to fans of the beloved homewrecker how she was looking for ways to KILL Mary. Making HER OWN plans to kilI. She had EVERY RIGHT to blame that thot but I guess that's Henry's fault as well. 🙄
Definitely not Anne who told her servants to physically abuse the child and call her a bastard when Mary's own mother was the legitimate wife and queen while Anne was a side chick who seduced her way to the king's bed : /
This was an excellent historical reading. I love your dictation and style, Professor. I learned a lot of details about the Tudors that I didn’t even though I’m an avid historian, esp of all things English monarchy.
I googled and it is said there was very little or no hard evidence that Mary was mistreated or abused by Anne Boleyn and actually that Mary was the one who refused to recognize Anne as Henry's wife or as Queen
It was about extending the Tudor dynasty. If a daughter succeeded him, married and had children, the reign of the Tudors would end as the child would take the name of the father. For instance, when Victoria became Queen, it was the House of Hanover reigned but when she married Prince Albert, it because the House of Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha. A similar thing happened on the current Queen's accession. Prince Philip's uncle was gloating about the House of Mountbatten and, I think it was Churchill and the Queen Mother, who convinced Elizabeth to announce it would continue to be known as the House of Windsor.
@@alyssawhite8657 a little late but way too many!! I’ve been trying to find a movie about Mary but no success 😭😭 we sure do need at least one movie or like mark mentioned a STARZ or showtime serie!!
I've already seen every single episode about the Tudors, and the Wars of the Roses, as well as every monarch who came after; most of which I've watched multiple times and yet here I am, click baited with a new thumbnail and yet I can't look away. What is wrong with me?!?
Nothing is ---- well, maybe something is wrong with you, but this ain't it. I'm obsessed with the adult writings of Louisa May Alcott. Have been amazed at the subjects she approached, up to and including opium/ hashish usage, child bride marriage, tattooed women, bigamy and priestley secularism. Who knew???
What gives any person whether they have the position of power or not the right to do such dreadful things? These people weren't followers of Christ. She had a sad life but was a monster
@@julielarge6120 not for her time , you have to get into the minds and way of thinking then , Mary might have found it perfectly legitimate to get rid of her enemies and those of the state and faith as any ruler throughout history has done . Not condoning this but one needs to understand the prevailing thoughts and beliefs at various times in history to understand actions
That actress with the gabled hood that plays with little Mary at 4 mins 57 very much reminds me of the sitter of the the portrait that was attributed (but is disputed to be) Mary Boleyn. She has a very nice, soft and medieval looking face
Amazing that Henry called Catherine "fat and unattractive." He must have smelled awful back then.Not to mention to this day there was no one fatter than him.
@jamieorourke767 I think Henry was talking about Anne off cleves not his daughter Mary who wasn't fat or ugly her mother Catherine off aragon was a buety at a young age
I've always been team Queen Mary. She was no more evil or "bloody" than any monarch before and after her that took out executions. I shake my head in disgust that 500+ years later, people show more respect for the home wrecker that had a hand in ruining and trying to get rid of her life. Equally sad that her final wish to be laid to rest next to her mother has not been fulfilled. If Richard III can get a full out official funeral, Mary should be next to her mother not under Elizabeth as an afterthought.
She did start her reign by murdering Queen Jane and her husband. Jane was 16 years old when Mary murdered her. She usurped the throne with regicide, and that's when they started calling her Bloody. Killing a sitting queen could be part of the reason her final wishes have never been honored. Regicide is the thing a ruling monarch fears the most and it's abhorrent to then.
Not really much about how she earned her reputation. The why was answered, certainly. We learned why she did it and it was because of her upbringing and how she suffered at the hands of her father. Going by the title, (how she earned her bloody reputation), it should have been concerned with the burnings themselves and particularly how she reacted to the various rebellions by Protestants. How people begged for her clemency, various times she wrote about the burnings and how she may have felt they were making an impact. At what point she went from a popular queen to Bloody Mary, perhaps. What her subjects were saying about her. But no, just a bit about some burnings.
This channel is awesome. Very educational. Thank you. This was not available at my university’. I especially love it because I don’t have to take anything so I am at the end of the class!👍🙆♀️
I agree 100% I'am learning more that what I did in my world civilization class in my freshman year in high school. This sure wasn't available at the college I went to. I love it!
There are a few gaps. Spanish is not a sole language. Caterina Darragon was a heir from the Catalan Darragon Crown,name distorted in order to fullfil a fake narrative of spanish empire that never existed as explained in books or in official history.
I absolutely think Karma was the repayment to Henry. His unwanted forgotten daughter Elizabeth not only ruled as a virginal sovereign but far out ruled her father, brother and sister.
Yes Jane Seymour was good to mary better than her father was he disowned her cause she wasn't a son I don't think Edward her half brother wud have got on much with Mary he was staunch prodestant but died at 14 caught typhoid I think swimming in the Thames but he would have been a nitemare for roman catholics when he got older
Has anyone ever seen Lady Jane, starring Helena Bonham Carter as Lady Jane Grey and Cary Elwes as Lord Guilford Dudley ? I wonder how much of it is historically accurate.
Mick Jagger and the R Stones sang about Lady Jane in the 60's. There is a great live version of the song on YT on the Ed Sullivan Show /Rolling Stones Song: Lady Jane
When I visited Westminster Abbey in 1996, I was shocked to see that Mary and Elizabeth shared a double sarcophagus, as you show here at the end of the video. It was very surreal seeing that huge sarcophagus, imagining the two great women who lay in state in there.
She was not more brutal than any male king. Kings throughout history have let thousands be slaughtered, squashed uprisings in the most horrific of ways and made armies die for them and their own interests. But that’s just seen as business as usual, “what rulers do”.
Ironically she would have made a much better ruler than her brother. Without her brother recklessly trying to change the religion, none of this bloodshed would've happened and it would've been a much more peaceful and prosperous kingdom.
No different from many of her time . One of the men she burnt Cranmer quite happily sought the ruin and execution of Catherine Howard and her supposed lovers What goes around comes around Many were pretty bloodthirsty at that time ,it was a way of life Maybe we ought not to judge people who we don’t understand
@@OutWestRedDirt I agree should be , but you are taking modern views and putting them in the past , she thought she was doing right for the time , there fore on conscience as we will all be judges , she can’t be blamed , modern lenses don’t work to judge people of the past , we just need to learn from their actions
I would really enjoy these so much more if TH-cam didn’t stick a random commercial in literally every 5 minutes TH-cam this is truly ruining people’s videos. I would accept 1 solid 15 minute stage of commercials per day if it meant you wouldn’t constantly disrupt the subjects I am trying to enjoy!!!
Yeah, and Mary and Elizabeth didn't start hating each other until their brother died. Also, from what I heard, Mary always hating her sister is just false. Mary did a lot to look out for her younger sister after Anne died, even taking Elizabeth into her household after the execution.
Whatever one might say about Mary as Queen, she was one mess of a human being, and isn't it obvious why? She was born as Princess of Wales and worshipped as an example of purity and female virtue. And therein lies the rub, that the state of being female was seen as "diseased" and "weak and feeble" compared to a man, yet she was raised to be Queen in her own right. Then it was taken from her, everything she believed religiously and personally was stripped from her, and she was made to gainsay her own most deeply held beliefs. Just as an aside, she wasn't even allowed to see her own mother, something that must have been so hurtful to her. That duality can have had nothing but sorrow for her soul. One the one hand, she was a virtuous and pious Lady, and on the other, a bloodthirsty murderer of people who, for private reasons of their own, had left the Roman Catholic church. All of it was predictable and all of it tragic.
Thank you Professor Starkey for this excellent analysis of Mary I. My father introduced me to your channel, and I love listening to your lectures on the Tudors in general, and, of course, on Henry VIII in particular. I know you have studied him your whole adult life and I really want to get hold of one or two of the books you've written on the subject, are they available here in Melbourne, Australia do you (or anyone else) know??? Warm Regards and all Best Wishes, from an Australian fan 😀 ❤, Amanda Jones
If the loss of her beauty and figure had been the only (according to Henry VIII) Catherine’s only “failing”he would likely have contented himself with mistresses. Anne Boleyn’s cannily guarded maidenhead would not have been the ultimate bargaining chip. Henry would have moved on to more accommodating “game”. Henry’s determination to rid himself of Catherine and remarry was that Catherine had born no surviving sons. Miscarriage and infant mortality were more the norm than the exception in the 16th century. Catherine’s first first pregnancy had taken far longer than normal. It and several other pregnancies ensued in sorrow and disappointment. The death knell of even fondness on Henry’s part was that Catherine had born no surviving male heirs. At the time, infertility and the gender of babies they did conceived were blamed squarely on women. Already older than Henry, adding in the fact that her appearance were the opposite of alluring to Henry, made made their even trying for another pregnancy let alone succeeding very unlikely. The irony for poor Catherine is that Henry’s succeeding marriages resulted in progressively fewer pregnancies, and only one more child. It’s now speculated that it was Henry VII himself who had fertility issues.
It wasn't him, could probably being a genetic issue, he was fertile to be having children but only girls who survived while male children end up in miscarriage meaning something was off genetically in his lineage
@@tochukwuifeanacho3843 He did have one healthy bastard son with a noblewoman, Henry Fitzroy. He doted on the boy. Although it is worth noting that Henry Fitzroy died at 17. It's believed he died from tuberculosis. From what I've read, Fitzroy was healthy and active up until he caught the illness that killed him - which is quite unlike his half-brother Edward whom had been sickly from birth. It's not too unlikely that Henry VIII may have had some fertility issues, likely becoming worse with age. And there's also the fact that Henry was far from faithful to his wives. It's also possible that he may have caught a sexually transmitted illness that affected his fertility.
@@SadisticSenpai61I dis a medical paper in his fertility issues. His father and grandfather had issues with fertility as well and it seems like his lifestyle might have contributed a lot to it as well. The tight clothing he wore for his hunting couldn’t be helpful
Years and years later afters saying bloody mary multiple times in front of the mirror in the toilets as a child in primary school, i am finally here finding out who bloody mary actually is lol.
+Southamericangirl42 LOL not only that but Henry VIII also referred to himself as Harry LO. Its true, he ended a poem he wrote called "They Say Youth Doeth Rule Me" as "so sayeth the king the 8th Harry".
Henry was handsome, agreeable, sexually active and athletic in his youth. Bad diet,lots of alcohol, sexual ennui and the need for money a chronic debilitating infection , and challenges to his power shaped his life at the end.
great video! I really appreciate the depth of research you’ve put into this. however, I can't help but feel that labeling Mary I as "Bloody Mary" oversimplifies her reign. it's easy to focus on the executions, but I think it's important to acknowledge the context of her actions and the political pressures she faced. what do you all think?
It's sad she had to wait so long to get married, I think her lack of stability and isolation sent her a little mad. She never got to enjoy the promise of her birth and only had her religion to cling to after Henry sent Catherine away.
Pomp and circumstance and burning humans alive. How gross. Let's talk about the disgusting side of the monarchies, and perhaps stop celebrating these monsters. Cranmer recanted, and was still burned, dispelling any notion that this was about religion and more about vengeance.
@@tipsyrobot6923 Cranmer gave Mary a very hard time and was partly responsible for the death of her mother Catherine . There may have been some revenge as part of this . I didn’t know he recanted , interesting
Anne Boleyn's friends' advice: "Don't lose your head because of that guy, whatever you do."
I gave given that advice. Very glad she listened
Aye, her sister slept with him and didn't insist on marriage. She kept her head.
I can't even joke about Anne Boleyn, poor woman, Henry VIII and Cromwell were nasty bits of work inventing that nonsense about her, she had to hear her brother because executed a few days before her, can you imagine it.
@@howwwwwyyyyyjust evil
Should have been don't give head.
Anne Boelyn is NOT the start of Mary's unfortunate life. It was Henry VIII who was the start of everyone's blighted life.
The sexist viewpoint back then could argue that her mother was the cause of her misfortune. Because her mother couldn’t have a boy. Of course we know now that having a boy is ENTIRELY reliant on the male. Her father was absolutely to blame. Her mother was blamed for not having a boy. Had her mother had a healthy boy, her life would have been much better, her mother remaining Queen and Mary a royal princess. Of course that is utterly ridiculous as one cannot determine the sex of a child. Henry made her life hell because of his incapability of having a boy and his insane desire to have one. He could have set Mary up to be an excellent Queen but preferred to ignore her or treat her horribly and have a boy instead
Anne Boelyn fueled the fire. She was the one encouraging to get rid of Mary... so yes I would say she started it.
But Ann gave England her greatest Queen.
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Anne Boleyn egged it on!
If you're on the fence about screening this documentary, it is every bit as exceptionally edifying as it is engagingly entertaining. Educational and compelling, this is a history documentary done right and represents a worthwhile potential use one's time to develop a more well-informed understanding of English history. Thanks for hosting, Medieval History Docs.
"hundreds of subjects burned at the stake".
Really?
WE have a Jester here
Oh cuz I had just paused it and was questioning that after my guy said "Catherine had grown fAt and uGLy"
I enjoy listening to Professor David Starkey's narration of these videos. He makes the past come alive.
Sadly, he was deeply unpopular amongst his peers but his forté was the Tudors and he created a wonderful narrative which we could all find interesting and entertaining. He brought the past to life with detail and his POV.
He’s great. Love documentaries narrated by him
I've a box set about the history of Britain by him,it's great
Why does he keep saying Cramwell
Me too! Isn’t he compelling and so very interesting!
Henry, her father, slaughtered thousands too, but he was a man, so no one calls him 'bloody Henry'
Peasants liked him for some reason...
He started the whole problem.
rlly explains how misogyny worked deep in history. honestly, at least mary set the stepping stones for elizabeth
History is written by the winners.
It wasn't cause of her sex, but her religion. Elizabeth I killed more then Henry VIII and isn't called bloody Elizabeth
The Tudors always make me feel better about my dysfunctional family 😂
Same to me I feel like we are saints
my family wasnt that disfunctional but I get your vibes
@@aurinkobay7118The problem with your very being developing within a dysfunctional family is that you interact with the outside world with an understanding that is, to some degree, entirely based on your family being the standard to which you compare everything, and once you add in the social stigmas that compel us to hide our inner family turmoil from the only thing that might show us just how different our own families are, for better or worse. Once you factor in the typical responses to trauma, neglect, and abuse; there's an incredibly plausible situation, where we can lose the ability to assess whether or not, our family or our individual lives are dysfunctional. Unfortunately, it almost always requires the use of a trusted professional or even just a friend so we discuss the past that we so easily allow ourselves to forget about(our ability to adapt & move on with our lives is one of the more incredible abilities that humans possess but it also allows us to accept the cards we were handed by others instead of finding our own cards to refine & define us. Self determination and self advocacy are traits that we don't even understand once we lose them and the worst part is that dysfunctional families will destroy us while maintaining that they will love us unconditionally. Personally I understood just fine that unconditional love wasn't a reality of any relationship but what I wasn't prepared for was discovering that my upbringing caused me to develop an attachment disorder that created very convenient ways for my family to manipulate me(and later on, cause issues in any relationship I pursue.) I didn't understand that my mom's hugs were the only reason I suffered through so much unneeded trauma until I was in a juvenile court room and a psychologist, social worker, and the judge made it so my mother was physically unable to hug me (it's quite common for parents to want to hug their children before they do some time incarcerated) I had absolutely no understanding that I would become extremely distressed & emotional whenever my mom hugged me, and i had no understanding that the incredibly strong emotions i felt were the complete opposite of what a hug should feel like. Once we can start asking ourselves how well we grasp our understanding of things that are never explicitly explained even if it's unpleasant then it's time to start asking ourselves "am I from a dysfunctional family." I'm sorry for the rant but I hope you might understand that I'm typing all this out because, regular ol people who had balanced healthy upbringings do not just randomly share that their family life was normal. You felt the need to assert that your family was fine while simultaneously feeling some connection to the topic that is entirely about how literally all walks of life can exist in fucked up dynamics. The day I started calling out my family on their bullshit as well as my own bullshit was the start of the best times in my life and it hasn't stopped yet
@@jenzerr8856
Except they are super rich, powerful and famous but your family ain't
@@tochukwuifeanacho3843 thank god. 😂
Queen Mary was someone “evil” that could be empathised with. She was a victim of her father’s moves, including the divorce of her parents, and subsequent mistreatments by Anne Boleyn.
She wanted to prove her point, and she had to endure hardships such as not allowed to hear masses in her favourite language. These weren’t her faults.
She was also educated to understand that males were more important, and so she tried her best to get a husband and an offspring, claiming someone to be used by God and blessed time and again, there was no reason why she would think otherwise.
She is definitely bloody, out of the desire to clear all bad influences poised by the Reformed religions, and trying to make right of the wrongs in her eyes.
And one more thing that I have learnt, is why Elizabeth I eventually chose not to marry, after seeing all these troubles from her father to her half-sister.
Jason yu also Elizabeth saw that marriage got her mother murdered
@ Jason yu Yes, I think you're right about Mary I and Elizabeth I. Elizabeth would have certainly been influenced by the events surrounding her, how could she NOT be? Elizabeth had seen what happened to her own mother, and to her half - sister Mary. Elizabeth spent most of her youth avoiding marriage. She even put her favourite woman in the world Kat Ashley - who had brought her up and been her governess since she was either 2 or 3 years old - in the Tower of London, simply because Ashley had advised her to marry the King of Sweden. Of course, she let Kat Ashley out of the Tower again, but it was certainly a warning - "Do NOT cross me, or you will be punished! And I won't be nearly as lenient towards the rest of you as I was to Mistress Ashley"!!!
Not that she ever said this but she didn't need to say it. What she did say, however, was her famous speech to her troops at Tilbury:
"I may have the body of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a King. And an English King at that!"
I'm thinking that elizabeth was terrified before her ascension that she would be beheaded also, after she was imprisoned while young. Marriage, betrayal and death were closely connected. She herself said, " I will have one mistress here, and no Master!". I wonder if anyone has done a psychologist autopsy on her??
Evil woman despite her faith
Proving once again that Shakespeare was right. "Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned" Get the feeling he had Mary and Elizabeth I In mind ?
Catherine was fat? I swear did Henry own a frigging mirror ! LOL
When he married Catherine and Anne boleyn he was said to be quite slim and handsome. Wasn't until he married Anne of cleves that he got obese
He got big later in life after a fall he had which led him to not be active & gain weight
Actually, Henry VIII did NOT own a mirror, as they had not been invented yet. Small, flat, polished pieces of metal gave a dim, distorted reflection of a small portion of one’s own face, but plate glass was over a hundred years in the future, and methods of turning flat pieces of glass into mirrors were even farther in the future.
@C.W9270 must have been all them German sausage se and 9 percent lagers 😆
@C.W9270 he. Got speard during a joist nearly died but I didn't want him to die before he did that bar steward Cromwell in
If Mary had been allowed to marry when she was younger, there might have been a Tudor dynasty as long as the Plantagenets. Because of Henry’s obsession with producing a male heir there was only 3 generations of Tudor royalty.
I think she married when she wanted to she loved Phillip but h like her father only used her when it suited him
@@aprilgosa5779 She married because she needed Spain. She hero worshipped Philip, but he cared nothing for her.
And it all came to nothing , all that obsession, killing, paranoia about having a son . And in the end a girl ruled anyway
So very sad and wasted
They're all disgusting
Yes and had she pruduced an heir England might still be a cathoic country today.
“Her usual neat handwriting begins to disintegrate”
It looks like calligrapher wrote it.
I thought so, too.
I love the documentaries of this professor, I like his style and his clarity. Informative and yet entertaining.
I though it was just me…. 😌😌😌
As do I!
I do too, but he was in some hot water for racist comments:
In August 2011, Starkey attracted criticism for some comments made on the BBC's Newsnight programme where he was a panel member together with Owen Jones and Dreda Say Mitchell.[71] The programme discussed the 2011 England riots. Starkey condemned "this language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country", that listening to the voice of the black MP for Tottenham where the riots occurred "you would think he was white" and that "The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture."
Too bad he does not make the important distinction between Roman Catholicism and genuine Christianity.
@@Bigbaymonstermare Sad that many facts have become politically incorrect. Truth is now racist. Sad.
David always narrates history videos very well!
He rocks,yes david does
But not always accurately
Agreed. I also enjoy his quagmire head bob
Whew chile! It's no wonder Mary went postal! They took everything including her MOTHER from her!! I hate to say it but I woulda burned it all to the ground!
Literally everything, I've always felt so bad when I hear her story. I would've raised hell on that throne.
ITA. The treatment of her by historians is SO misogynistic. Mary was goaded to hell and back by her useless douchebag father and husband. What was she supposed to do? Just be quiet and eat shit? Her power was no more abusive than any male ruler and yet here we are.
@@complimentary_voucherYeah. I read that when she wasn’t casually burning 100’s of people, she was actually quite pleasant. If it weren’t for White patriarchy she’d be called Goody Mary.
Can’t deny the way she was treated. If she was inclined to violence her childhood made it far worse.
100%
So, in actuality, the burnings were not ordered out of vindictive objectives. Mary had the notion that she was being punished by God becshe was too lenient in the punishment of the heretics.
When Mary gained the throne after Edward's demise, John Dudley (Duke of Northumberland)Guilford Dudley ( his son) and his wife, Lady Jane Gray (Queen of Nine Days) weren't executed, just held prisoner in the Tower. She gained the nickname "Merciful Mary" and the respect and love of her people for her forgiveness.
In my opinion, her change in thinking was brought about by several factors. After Wyatt's Rebellion, she realized that things weren't all peaches and cream, and not all of England wanted to be under the thumb of the Pope, and of Spain. (They remembered the not-so-distant past and the harsh reality of the Spanish Inquisition.
With the anguish, the embarrassment, the degradation of the "baby that wasn't) added to everything else, I'm sure she was mentally incapable of processing everything at once. Therefore, she did what countless monarchs, before and after have done. She blamed it on God.
God was angry with her.
God wanted her to burn the heretics.
God wouldn't allow her to get pregnant.
And so evolved...Bloody Mary.
Lady Jane Gray (Queen of Nine Days) wasn't executed? You're an ignorant fool.
@@julianaadams5751 I don’t think she would have “ blamed” it on God , more herself for not doing enough for God . She would also have been at the influence of powerful advisors , a woman in a man’s world of politics and deception
A lot of the turbulence of these times was Henry's breaking up of the monastic system and desire to have the wealth of the Catholic church added to his coffers. His people killed hundreds of priests,monks and nuns. When Mary came to power, she engaged in the same behavior to try to restore Catholicism. Her advisors and the nobles wanted it, and made it happen as necessary for their continued support. It almost always comes down to money 😐😐😐🤔🤔
Its mot money its power...money was their.way to to it...same today...just look at the corrupt BIDEN PELOSI clinton waters sheliea jackson shiftyshit brennan comey...the list.foes on and on today...
And...thus power, of course!
And religion
Many nobles were Protestant and went into exile like Francis Walsingham. He returned from the Holy Roman Empire after Mary died. More people than not supported Elizabeth I, a protestant. Mary killed her 1st cousin once removed, Lady Jane Grey because Mary's brother Edward named her as successor in his will before he died aged 15.
@Ownerthekpwner if only that were historically factual
Excellent tutorial about a sad, benighted woman who was cursed by a king who destroyed uncountable lives during his infamous reign.
Fantastic ism is dangerous and that is what Mary was
They were lucky in England that Mary Queen of Scots did not produce a Prince while in France.
Well rather how trauma turns a human being into a monster. She was completely delusional, had phantom pregnancy, felt humiliated again and pretending to accept god’s will took her revenge on people who didn’t obey her like her own body didn’t. I don’t give a shit she was sad. Her sister had all reasons to be sad as well. Her mother was called a witch , a traitor, a cheater and what was worse - to cheat on king with her own brother. Her mother was murdered and she was also named bastard. Mary was just too stupid and to weak to be a queen. Yes, Henry and Elisabeth also send people to death but there was at least a bit of logic and it was done for the country. Here it was so visible she was just playing out her anger and hatred.
Elizabeth listening to Mary's last will and testimony: Sure sis, im not upset at all about you imprisoning me, calling me a bastard child, slandering my mother or trying to force me to convert to your religion.....
It's not slander if it's true. Elizabeth was indeed a legal bastard as her parents were annulled, and that's not counting the change in religion and her marriage to Catherone of Aragon. Her mother was indeed a mistress and not exactly a saint. However, that doesn't change the fact that Henry's justification for executing her was asinine. The charges were false, and even if they weren't, if they annulled and never married, how could Anne have possibly committed adultery? And the pressure to change her religion was by far cruel. Inspite of all that she was heir to throne, but there was an argument that she was indeed a bastard.
Elizabeth never betrayed her sister. Elizabeth did attend mass but not baptized. All the trauma Elizabeth experienced at the hands of her father and sister made her a survivor. Elizabeth decided not to marry though she manipulated many of the more powerful nations than England.
@@juliancain3872 By that standard, Mary was also a legal bastard.🙄
@@juliancain3872Elizabeth being a bastard massively varies depending on whether you’re catholic or Protestant and it’s very offensive to say that in England.
Guessing you’re foreign and the former.
@tomben6180 I'm actually neither. But I was raised in a Quaker Protestant. English heritage. However, I simply don't care if that's offensive to say. Sorry, but under both churches, she would be considered illegitimate. In the eyes of Catholics, her father was still married to Catherine of Aragon when she was born. Under the Church of England (where the monarch is head of the church) her parents' marriage was annulled, therefore making her illegitimate. I personally think the annulment was BS, but it happened. Now, there is precedent that the children from an annulled marriage could remain legitimate if they were born in "Good faith" IE: Eleanor of Aquitaine's children from her first marriage, and in more contemporary times believe Louis XI (or XII) of France's daughters too. Henry VIII's own sister married that King in hopes of finally getting a son. But both instances were of the Catholic faith. Now, the argument can be made that Elizabeth was born in "Good faith" but the head of the Church of England, her father, chose to be spiteful and declared her illegitimate. He also put her in the line of succession, which was also his right. But the fact is bastards have taken thrones before, afterall, William the Conqueror was also called "the bastard". What ever else happened, Elizabeth I died as Queen of England.
I didn’t know her step mom (Anne Boleyn) was cruel to Mary… It gives her a new perspective. They always paint her mistress or a victim
Completely changed my view of her tbh
Mary has the reputation she deserves. Revisionist historians and feminists see her as a 'tragic' and 'misunderstood' figure, conveniently forgetting her murderous reign - burning hundreds, including sixty women one of whom was a nun. And do not forget the horrific burning of Perotine Massey who was pregnant: "And the said Masseys infant breaking violently out of the mothers wombe into the fire, was taken out once and presently throwne again into the fire and burnt."
I believe Mary and Anne were equally horrible to each other.
Yeah but mary was laughing when she got sliced
@@DavidBroadley-tw7ks Mary burnt 288 in five years ; Elizabeth killed less than 200 in forty-five.
I appreciate the vast knowledge of the presenter. I found this informative, entertaining, and highly enjoyable. Thank you.
Wow, that was her writing at 8 or 9 years old. I realize illiteracy rates were high back then, but if you were educated it seems that education far surpasses what people get today. Her handwriting alone at that age is extremely refined compared to today's claw marks.
it was quite expensive to write or draw. You couldn't simply take another leaf from your college block....
As a teacher I endorse this statement
It helps to have rich parents who can afford a tutor. Not much has changed.
Mary was the daughter of the King. That is why she received such a fine education. Her brother and sister also received such an education.
Catherine made sure her daughter Mary received an education fit for a king not just an education for a princess. Catherine knew her daughter was going to rule England one day.
I love the fact that we have such documentaries to look back to always
Even though I'm a Ghanaian I'm in love with this piece
Problem with people who are evil is either they believe they are doing good or they are holding onto their past or both. You can tell yourself whatever you like trying to justify your actions but i never sympathize with people who are cruel and have a tough past. If your situation is current and if you're fighting your past to overcome it that i will sympathize with you for but if you never accept what happened to change for the better or do your best to get help to overcome this problem you're doing it to yourself and you will always be sad and depressed. Taking it out on others because of your past issues isn't any excuse. Mary is no exception nor are her actions.
Agreed, Jeff~
their is no evil only power
Amen💯👍🤘💪
What about the Ottoman Sultans? They were seriously messed up as well but would you say the same about them?
Well unless you are them, you don't understand and it's not your place to judge.
So unfair for starkey to just say “Catherine had grown fat and ugly” -
As a lifelong researcher of this topic that’s not so easily stated. Maybe she did maybe she didn’t. She definitely got heavier but for a historian to just state that, really distasteful. State that Henry was besotted by a new person, and Henry had grown bored knowing Catherine was past her childbearing years. Respect her.
Catherine wasn't ugly...
Henry was...
I was thinking the same.
Yes, that line really bothers me too.
It sends the worst kind of message to younger viewers.
I absolutely agree with your comment.
@@SecretSquirrelFun Triggered.
i think of Mary, as a scorned woman. by her father and family, her own husband didnt want her. so for her to express her anger and sadness she lashed out to innocent people. blamed them for her misfortune.
Sad. The Queen forgot. Vengence us mine sayth the Lord.
Thank you for this history video
God blrss
Um , you skipped over Jane Grey's execution, after only nine days, who was accepted by everyone, even king Charles. Completely innocent young girl.
Valid point.
True it was skipped over but it was A little more complex, he originally didn’t want to execute Jane, (janes story is pretty tragic as she never even wanted to become queen but that aside) Jane wasn’t necessarily completely innocent but she was heavily manipulated. But back to the point originally Mary forgave Jane, but due to the actions of Janes father in attempting to get Mary to renounce the throne and so on Jane was executed after months of Mary refusing to sing janes death warrant
@@urmomisanicelady6760*sign
Mary tudor didn't have have her executed Jane didn't even want the throne
Mary didn't have to have Jane Seymour exucuted she cud have just had exiled Edward named Jane above the rightfull Queen Mary as his successor but Jane didn't realy want the job as Queen Edward hated.catholics but his mother Jane Seymour was good to mary she got Mary and Henry back together Edward was a nasty piece off work he would have been a nightmare for catholics had he lived to adulthood good riddance
I could listen to your lectures all day... Thank you...
Re the portrait of Henry @ 14:00 (approx) When one considers the gargantuan effort the artist must have made to flatter Henry, his face speaks volumes. I can't decide if that tiny twisted mouth is simply petulant or markedly cruel; I suppose it's both. However I think there was at least one artist who could be thankful his King was so desirous of being seen as slim, trim, and powerful he only cared not to have wrinkles exposed, or that heavy jowls and triple chins should disappear. Given his age, bulk and habits it's fantasy to think he didn't have a really obese face as well as body.
That piggy face with its tiny humourless eyes and little twisted mouth are a very real indication of his nature at that stage of life imo.
Remembering he probably wanted to be shown as a generous and beneficial king in the portrait, I imagine a real emporer's new clothes attitude by his courtiers.
Henry VIII was even willing to murder his own daughter. He was a monster, indeed.
He should gave. She was a monster as well
I’m not excusing any of them, the Tudors were considered evil by the standards of the time, never mind now, but there are explanations as to why they became so evil.
Henry was quite a reasonable and positive young Prince/King… until he had a bad fall, hit his head and seriously injured his leg.
This contributed to a complete personality change, he could no longer compete on horseback or be active so he got fat, the brain injury likely made him short tempered and irrational and that snowballed as he got older.
Mary was the unfortunate victim of that, as was Elizabeth to a lesser degree, and it set Mary on the path to becoming similar to her father.
It’s a tragic tale that can be seen today where victims of abuse become the abuser when they get older.
They are to blame themselves, absolutely but I do think history could have been a little different had Henry not fallen off that horse.
I love timeline documentaries, especially with this narrator. I love his voice. Theyre informative, easy to understand and very well re-enacted. 😊im glad my youtube popped this one up next after my other video i love my yt fyp.🎉
Thank you for the information presented in as non judgemental a manner as possible. History by its very nature must be viewed through the lens of the viewers experience. Thank you for supporting my love of learning.
Ĺove the commentary by this narrator seen many of his work,..... thank you this lady is not as well known to me as others....
What a wonderful documentary. An extraordinary woman she was.
I've watched his entire series on the monarchy I love professor David Starkey especially on crappy cloudy days or when migraines hit me
The Great Schism is actually the splitting of the Roman Catholics and Orthodoxy.
He was using the phrase as satire.
@@selecttravelvacations7472yeah because he's so humorous...
Or ignorant as most in the West are of The Great Schism and the true roots of Christianity or that Roman Catholics broke away from The Church
I always felt sorry for poor Lady Jane Grey.
Mary was going to let her live but Jane's father and other men led a rebellion while Jane was in the Tower so Mary decided Jane was too dangerous to live. Jane had a strong claim as she was Henry VII's granddaughter.
Yes and so do I....one person (amongst many) was Thomas Cranmer the protestant Abp of Canterbury who against the WILL (document) of Henry VIII promoted Lady Jane as Quenn.
Wrong place wrong time
He said no woman ever reigned England before Mary. What sbout Maud around 1000-1100 ad. She nominated herself emperor Maud. It was a short reign though
Wiw l like her chosen title
You mean Empress Matilda ?
She was supposed to become queen of England but never really did because her cousin took the throne first.
As for her title of empress, it came from her first marriage to the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire.
They'll write women out of history any chance they can.
What a great history lesson!
But not accurate
@@susanwebber9247 please enlighten me then
Very interesting. and very well presented ….Thank You 👏👏👏
I am beginning to think that Henry the eighth was not a nice guy!
Its estimated that between 50,000 and 70,000 people died from execution during Henry VIII's reign.
Yes so they say and Elizabeth had a lot more than Mary also
Quite a big number compared to Mary
I wonder who they should have called bloody ?
Papacy is estimated to have slaughtered circa 50 million
A murderous c**t in other words.
Mary only ruled a few years and only went after Cathoic Zealots. Her father went after both and Elizabeth went after Catholics.
@@busyb1513 Oh dear me. Mary Tudor known as Bloody Mary burnt alive 287 Protestants in her FIVE YEAR REIGN. Elizabeth I in her FORTY FIVE YEAR REIGN had executed 200. Do some Maths and work out how many would have been killed if Bloody Mary ruled for 45 years. I know a Catholic when I come across one
The narrator is awesome but I cant stop staring at how his head moves when he talks...
David Starkey. He does an amazing job.
Thanks now I can't unsee it.
Now thats all i can see lol
Yeah he is something of an informative woodpecker
Just a little intellectual charm ❤
Oh, thank you, for this wonderful story about Mary! I just loved every minute and learnt so much. I could listen to Professor David Starkey all day! Even though I’m an Aussie I love all things English. Thank you 🙏
Wonderful story telling, I enjoyed this. Thank you
Every time i think about the atrocities committed by world leaders in the name of religion, I just dont understand why we still have organized religion still
Correct the pain off the world over religion and there's dirt on every religion s hand thank you for great comment
Religious wars: 123 out of 1763 wars - that's 'only' 7% of all wars. Publicly atheist leaders: More than 50% did mass killing of their own people (source: Encyclopaedia of Wars)
Don't be smug. Over 50 million deaths have occurred in the cause of a Utopian fantasy by atheist leaders.
Over 50 million have been sacrificed in the cause of a utopian fantasy by atheist leaders.
Mary's biggest downfall well one of them was she blamed Anne and Elizabeth for the things her father had done to her and her mother when she should have blamed him
You have to remember that she had a front row seat to abuse of her mother and the whole stepmother not liking you thing made it worse. Sooooo yeah.... none of them were angels.
So we're just going to ignore the part where they said the homewrecker used to slap and find ways to humiliate Mary… By HER OWN volition. Of course Starkey doesn't mention to fans of the beloved homewrecker how she was looking for ways to KILL Mary. Making HER OWN plans to kilI. She had EVERY RIGHT to blame that thot but I guess that's Henry's fault as well. 🙄
Definitely not Anne who told her servants to physically abuse the child and call her a bastard when Mary's own mother was the legitimate wife and queen while Anne was a side chick who seduced her way to the king's bed : /
It keeps you intrigued and interesting in history this professor why of teaching is passionate
Her own father tossed her aside, kept her from her mother, nothing ever went right for her. I feel for her, I really do.
dont feel sad for her,in many ways she was a tyrant like her dad,its lady jane that deserves sympathy
Plus all of her health issues… imagine overseeing an entire country whilst potentially suffering from ovarian cancer.
To you feel for a the people she murdered?
@@david6532 I feel for her too. But look what happened to Mary, it's not surprising she did the things she did..
@@madameghostie Very true
This was an excellent historical reading. I love your dictation and style, Professor. I learned a lot of details about the Tudors that I didn’t even though I’m an avid historian, esp of all things English monarchy.
If you want the truth read Agnes Strickland "The Lives of the Queens of England" in 32 volumes and written in old English.
If only henry would've been happy with his daughter succeeding him. Alot of troubles would have been avoided
I googled and it is said there was very little or no hard evidence that Mary was mistreated or abused by Anne Boleyn and actually that Mary was the one who refused to recognize Anne as Henry's wife or as Queen
It was about extending the Tudor dynasty. If a daughter succeeded him, married and had children, the reign of the Tudors would end as the child would take the name of the father. For instance, when Victoria became Queen, it was the House of Hanover reigned but when she married Prince Albert, it because the House of Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha. A similar thing happened on the current Queen's accession. Prince Philip's uncle was gloating about the House of Mountbatten and, I think it was Churchill and the Queen Mother, who convinced Elizabeth to announce it would continue to be known as the House of Windsor.
I agree.
Very true
No chance
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I would love for starz or showtime to make a series on Bloody Mary
I would also love to see a show about Mary and Edwards life there are so many movies about Elizabeth
@@alyssawhite8657 a little late but way too many!! I’ve been trying to find a movie about Mary but no success 😭😭 we sure do need at least one movie or like mark mentioned a STARZ or showtime serie!!
@@alyssawhite8657 The new movie “becoming Elizabeth, it shows you a lot about Mary and Edward.
I've already seen every single episode about the Tudors, and the Wars of the Roses, as well as every monarch who came after; most of which I've watched multiple times and yet here I am, click baited with a new thumbnail and yet I can't look away. What is wrong with me?!?
Nothing is ---- well, maybe something is wrong with you, but this ain't it. I'm obsessed with the adult writings of Louisa May Alcott. Have been amazed at the subjects she approached, up to and including opium/ hashish usage, child bride marriage, tattooed women, bigamy and priestley secularism. Who knew???
You are interested ....that's good..it makes you happy 😊
What gives any person whether they have the position of power or not the right to do such dreadful things? These people weren't followers of Christ. She had a sad life but was a monster
Approx. 40,000,000 we're put to they're death in the 3 inquisitions. That was Christianity at this time. Believe or ELSE!
@@julielarge6120 not for her time , you have to get into the minds and way of thinking then , Mary might have found it perfectly legitimate to get rid of her enemies and those of the state and faith as any ruler throughout history has done . Not condoning this but one needs to understand the prevailing thoughts and beliefs at various times in history to understand actions
Anything that David Starky does is good. Btw Catherine of Aragon and Mary both had a stronger claim to the English throne that Henry.
That actress with the gabled hood that plays with little Mary at 4 mins 57 very much reminds me of the sitter of the the portrait that was attributed (but is disputed to be) Mary Boleyn. She has a very nice, soft and medieval looking face
Amazing that Henry called Catherine "fat and unattractive." He must have smelled awful back then.Not to mention to this day there was no one fatter than him.
No one bathed,so no one cared
@jamieorourke767 I think Henry was talking about Anne off cleves not his daughter Mary who wasn't fat or ugly her mother Catherine off aragon was a buety at a young age
Love your work sir. Keep the episodes coming!
Katherine had a hint of that infamous 'Hapsburg Jaw'...eewww
I've always been team Queen Mary. She was no more evil or "bloody" than any monarch before and after her that took out executions. I shake my head in disgust that 500+ years later, people show more respect for the home wrecker that had a hand in ruining and trying to get rid of her life. Equally sad that her final wish to be laid to rest next to her mother has not been fulfilled. If Richard III can get a full out official funeral, Mary should be next to her mother not under Elizabeth as an afterthought.
Team Queen Mary
im personally team Ted Bundy he killed less people and still had a bad childhood to excuse it
thanks a lot now i cant not notice it. lol
Well said !
She did start her reign by murdering Queen Jane and her husband. Jane was 16 years old when Mary murdered her. She usurped the throne with regicide, and that's when they started calling her Bloody. Killing a sitting queen could be part of the reason her final wishes have never been honored. Regicide is the thing a ruling monarch fears the most and it's abhorrent to then.
Not really much about how she earned her reputation. The why was answered, certainly. We learned why she did it and it was because of her upbringing and how she suffered at the hands of her father. Going by the title, (how she earned her bloody reputation), it should have been concerned with the burnings themselves and particularly how she reacted to the various rebellions by Protestants. How people begged for her clemency, various times she wrote about the burnings and how she may have felt they were making an impact. At what point she went from a popular queen to Bloody Mary, perhaps. What her subjects were saying about her. But no, just a bit about some burnings.
Thanks timeline
Great job Candace, amazing episode!
Bloody Mary earned her name well, luckily it was a fairly short time as queen
The majority of the killings were because they were in open rebellion against her, the punishment for treason is death, so I wouldn't call her Bloody
This channel is awesome. Very educational. Thank you. This was not available at my university’. I especially love it because I don’t have to take anything so I am at the end of the class!👍🙆♀️
I agree 100% I'am learning more that what I did in my world civilization class in my freshman year in high school. This sure wasn't available at the college I went to. I love it!
There are a few gaps.
Spanish is not a sole language.
Caterina Darragon was a heir from the Catalan Darragon Crown,name distorted in order to fullfil a fake narrative of spanish empire that never existed as explained in books or in official history.
Good job to. You wouldn't pas your BA, MA or Ph.d if it had been
I would love to see these documentaries made into movies.
I would too. They would probably be more accurate than what we see in the movies that Hollywood produces these days.
In 2020, Showtime produced “The Spanish Princess” which ended after one season…☹️
They have been. Ad nauseam
@@saramason8554 it actually lasted 2 seasons but wasn't completely factual.
You can watch The Tudors on Netflix and watch the whole story. 🤦🏼♀️ Why am I promoting Netflix? Ack!!
It's very interesting. I live in Suffolk, so I definitely need to visit Framingham castle
Timeline sent me. I think I'm going to stay. Subbed.
Welcome aboard :)
Samething happened to me aswell!
I'm a scythian.
Me too!
Same 😁
Great storytelling 👍
Its crazy how man made rules bring such calamity.
Go read
Arguing with socialists by Glenn Beck
I absolutely think Karma was the repayment to Henry. His unwanted forgotten daughter Elizabeth not only ruled as a virginal sovereign but far out ruled her father, brother and sister.
I bet Mary tudor pissed herself laughing when boleyn got her napper lopped off 🪓😅
@@DavidBroadley-tw7ks I'm sure she was in the least happy to see her go. Wasn't it with Henry Jane Seymour that invited Mary back to court?
Yes Jane Seymour was good to mary better than her father was he disowned her cause she wasn't a son I don't think Edward her half brother wud have got on much with Mary he was staunch prodestant but died at 14 caught typhoid I think swimming in the Thames but he would have been a nitemare for roman catholics when he got older
@@DavidBroadley-tw7ks I couldn't imagine 🥴
She was unwed, but doubtful virginal
Has anyone ever seen Lady Jane, starring Helena Bonham Carter as Lady Jane Grey and Cary Elwes as Lord Guilford Dudley ? I wonder how much of it is historically accurate.
Great movie.
Mick Jagger and the R Stones sang about Lady Jane in the 60's. There is a great live version of the song on YT on the Ed Sullivan Show /Rolling Stones Song: Lady Jane
Curiois! I wached a film about Henry the 8th where Helena Bonham Carter played Anne Boleyn!
When I visited Westminster Abbey in 1996, I was shocked to see that Mary and Elizabeth shared a double sarcophagus, as you show here at the end of the video. It was very surreal seeing that huge sarcophagus, imagining the two great women who lay in state in there.
She was not more brutal than any male king. Kings throughout history have let thousands be slaughtered, squashed uprisings in the most horrific of ways and made armies die for them and their own interests. But that’s just seen as business as usual, “what rulers do”.
It’s always ten times worse if a woman does it or does something vile, we’re demons lol
Yeah no reply needed your photo said it all…
Um, no, they're all trash and monarchies need to return their stolen plunder? Who is this straw man who thinks 'royal' murder is less murdery?
Ironically she would have made a much better ruler than her brother. Without her brother recklessly trying to change the religion, none of this bloodshed would've happened and it would've been a much more peaceful and prosperous kingdom.
As have Communist General Secretaries.
Hard to believe she was so cold to burn people on the fire. She had all the riches, but sadly she had no heart
No different from many of her time . One of the men she burnt Cranmer quite happily sought the ruin and execution of Catherine Howard and her supposed lovers
What goes around comes around
Many were pretty bloodthirsty at that time ,it was a way of life
Maybe we ought not to judge people who we don’t understand
Circumstances shape people, so easy to judge when you are not in their shoes
@@tochukwuifeanacho3843yet she was a confessed followers of Jesus Christ. He killed no one, murdered no one.
@@busyb1513should be different since she claimed Christianity and regularly attended worship and prayed.
@@OutWestRedDirt I agree should be , but you are taking modern views and putting them in the past , she thought she was doing right for the time , there fore on conscience as we will all be judges , she can’t be blamed , modern lenses don’t work to judge people of the past , we just need to learn from their actions
*Such an informative and entertaining documentary right here.*
I would really enjoy these so much more if TH-cam didn’t stick a random commercial in literally every 5 minutes TH-cam this is truly ruining people’s videos. I would accept 1 solid 15 minute stage of commercials per day if it meant you wouldn’t constantly disrupt the subjects I am trying to enjoy!!!
At 33:40 by the Old monastery. What is that beautiful music?
Greenwich Palace was also called the Palace of Placentia, for obvious reasons if you understand Latin
Great speech by Queen Mary in Parliament
This “documentary” leaves so much out!
Yeah, and Mary and Elizabeth didn't start hating each other until their brother died. Also, from what I heard, Mary always hating her sister is just false. Mary did a lot to look out for her younger sister after Anne died, even taking Elizabeth into her household after the execution.
Great video, thank you! ✨🙏🏻
Yeah great video I'm not sleeping ....
This is such an awesome presentation ny Dr. Starky. He makes history come alive.
Interesting & informative but how at around 18:00 did they get the waves to stop 🤷🏻♀️😅
Power struggles never disappear
Whatever one might say about Mary as Queen, she was one mess of a human being, and isn't it obvious why? She was born as Princess of Wales and worshipped as an example of purity and female virtue. And therein lies the rub, that the state of being female was seen as "diseased" and "weak and feeble" compared to a man, yet she was raised to be Queen in her own right. Then it was taken from her, everything she believed religiously and personally was stripped from her, and she was made to gainsay her own most deeply held beliefs. Just as an aside, she wasn't even allowed to see her own mother, something that must have been so hurtful to her. That duality can have had nothing but sorrow for her soul. One the one hand, she was a virtuous and pious Lady, and on the other, a bloodthirsty murderer of people who, for private reasons of their own, had left the Roman Catholic church. All of it was predictable and all of it tragic.
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Too right - what comes out can only be what is forced in
I truly appreciated this video! Thank You for this neutral recount of history. ❤
Not quite neutral
How do you it’s neutral Were you there ?
@@busyb1513 Why’s that, Sherlock?
@@woowah32 you tell me Dr Watson
@@busyb1513 I didn’t question it, you clown..🤦🏻♂️
Why is it not neutral? Can you not back it up?
Excellent presentation
Thank you Professor Starkey for this excellent analysis of Mary I. My father introduced me to your channel, and I love listening to your lectures on the Tudors in general, and, of course, on Henry VIII in particular. I know you have studied him your whole adult life and I really want to get hold of one or two of the books you've written on the subject, are they available here in Melbourne, Australia do you (or anyone else) know???
Warm Regards and all Best Wishes, from an Australian fan 😀 ❤, Amanda Jones
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David Starkey might be learned but nevertheless he is biased, bigoted and anti-catholic!
You won't get the truth.
If the loss of her beauty and figure had been the only (according to Henry VIII) Catherine’s only “failing”he would likely have contented himself with mistresses. Anne Boleyn’s cannily guarded maidenhead would not have been the ultimate bargaining chip. Henry would have moved on to more accommodating “game”. Henry’s determination to rid himself of Catherine and remarry was that Catherine had born no surviving sons. Miscarriage and infant mortality were more the norm than the exception in the 16th century. Catherine’s first first pregnancy had taken far longer than normal. It and several other pregnancies ensued in sorrow and disappointment. The death knell of even fondness on Henry’s part was that Catherine had born no surviving male heirs. At the time, infertility and the gender of babies they did conceived were blamed squarely on women.
Already older than Henry, adding in the fact that her appearance were the opposite of alluring to Henry, made made their even trying for another pregnancy let alone succeeding very unlikely.
The irony for poor Catherine is that Henry’s succeeding marriages resulted in progressively fewer pregnancies, and only one more child. It’s now speculated that it was Henry VII himself who had fertility issues.
It wasn't him, could probably being a genetic issue, he was fertile to be having children but only girls who survived while male children end up in miscarriage meaning something was off genetically in his lineage
@@tochukwuifeanacho3843 He did have one healthy bastard son with a noblewoman, Henry Fitzroy. He doted on the boy. Although it is worth noting that Henry Fitzroy died at 17. It's believed he died from tuberculosis. From what I've read, Fitzroy was healthy and active up until he caught the illness that killed him - which is quite unlike his half-brother Edward whom had been sickly from birth.
It's not too unlikely that Henry VIII may have had some fertility issues, likely becoming worse with age. And there's also the fact that Henry was far from faithful to his wives. It's also possible that he may have caught a sexually transmitted illness that affected his fertility.
@@SadisticSenpai61I dis a medical paper in his fertility issues. His father and grandfather had issues with fertility as well and it seems like his lifestyle might have contributed a lot to it as well. The tight clothing he wore for his hunting couldn’t be helpful
Years and years later afters saying bloody mary multiple times in front of the mirror in the toilets as a child in primary school, i am finally here finding out who bloody mary actually is lol.
The ginger who shall remain nameless looks a lot like Henry. Beady eyes, thin tiny lips, russet hair, large nose. His name is Henry as well.
Correct. Prods
.... but much more handsome! 😂😂😂
+Southamericangirl42 LOL not only that but Henry VIII also referred to himself as Harry LO. Its true, he ended a poem he wrote called "They Say Youth Doeth Rule Me" as "so sayeth the king the 8th Harry".
Henry was handsome, agreeable, sexually active and athletic in his youth. Bad diet,lots of alcohol, sexual ennui and the need for money a chronic debilitating infection , and challenges to his power shaped his life at the end.
I like that term for redheads..'ginger'.
Prince Harry is AMAZING.
great video! I really appreciate the depth of research you’ve put into this. however, I can't help but feel that labeling Mary I as "Bloody Mary" oversimplifies her reign. it's easy to focus on the executions, but I think it's important to acknowledge the context of her actions and the political pressures she faced. what do you all think?
17.48 Is that a photograph behind David Starky? lol!
Excellent documentary!!!
Thanks for tuning in!
@@ChronicleMedievalplease leave the music out. It drowns out message.
It's sad she had to wait so long to get married, I think her lack of stability and isolation sent her a little mad. She never got to enjoy the promise of her birth and only had her religion to cling to after Henry sent Catherine away.
I agree
Our Lord keeps us from going insane. Some of the meaness we experience from the people who should do otherwise, is unbelievable.
I heard she was unattractive
Pomp and circumstance and burning humans alive. How gross. Let's talk about the disgusting side of the monarchies, and perhaps stop celebrating these monsters. Cranmer recanted, and was still burned, dispelling any notion that this was about religion and more about vengeance.
@@tipsyrobot6923 Cranmer gave Mary a very hard time and was partly responsible for the death of her mother Catherine . There may have been some revenge as part of this . I didn’t know he recanted , interesting
I really enjoyed listening to the narrations and domestication very informative
Good documentary